The Charlie Kirk Show - The Transgender/Palestine Extremism Axis

Episode Date: May 13, 2026

Palestine and transgenderism may seem like very different issues, but they're all a part of one single issue: The left's war on civilization. The show exposes this after threats from a pro-Hama/transgenderism alliance forced the postponement a TPUSA event featuring Chloe Cole. Dr. Oz joins to lay out the full scope of the $100 billion/year fraud in Medicare and Medicaid, and how it can be defeated. Rep. Brandon Gill reveals his own bid to expose rampant immigrant fraud via Congress. Dr. Peter McCullough talks about hantavirus, investigating Covid crimes, and more. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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There was an explosive hearing involving a CIA whistleblower. A label the CIA itself is contesting, which I think is an interesting dynamic there, about the reporting from the CIA and Fauci, Dr. Fauci's alleged involvement in shaping that reporting, whether it was a lab leak or whether it came out of the wet market and all of that whole story. Ram Paul is on the case as well as Senator Hawley, Senator Ron Johnson, so some good guys on that. So hopefully we'll get some time to dive into that story. Also, President Trump has arrived in China for a much anticipated meeting with President Xi. Basically every CEO in America, it seems.

Yeah, I think he's traveling, what was, 16 CEOs. Something like the big ones. Yeah, Tim Cook, Elon Musk. Yeah, we've got a represent, the company's represented is a mass. massive and worth trillions and trillions of dollars, a market cap. So a lot going on there. So we're watching talks on AI, on tariffs, on fentanyl, on Iran, lots going on. China's definitely motivated to get their sluggish economy going. The energy squeeze on them has been bad. And they obviously want access to chips and AI, things like that. So that's where we're watching right now.

This is one of three planned meetings, I believe. So don't necessarily expect sweeping accords to come out of this meeting in China. It's more likely to be the first volley in a series of meetings coming up. So we're watching that. We want to tell you about something that happened last night at the University of Washington. We have been doing a series at Turning Point USA of what we call pick up the mic events. These are prove me wrong style events that Charlie pioneered. And, you know, instead of doing, let's say, 20 or 30 large ones as Charlie did, we're doing, dozens and dozens and dozens all over the country with different speakers like Chloe Cole, who of course has been on the show a number of times. Chloe is a detransitioner. She's an activist

in that space. Her whole life was turned upside down by bad advice from doctors, coercion from medical professionals and psychologists, and she speaks out on them. So this was a pick-up-the-mike event in University of Washington in Seattle. And it turned into a big to do, as you might expect. in the Pacific Northwest. We saw protests against Turning Point USA flyers scattered throughout campus. Well, and we want to highlight a very interesting thing about this. It's very symbolic of the modern left. So we have it thrown up here, but if you can't see it, it says May 13th, protest against

turning point USA, and it's two crossed flags. And the crossed flags are a Palestine flag and then a transgender flag. Two issues that, if anything, are in conflict with each other, given. some of Islam's cultural values, but they're actually totally united because, as we like to point out, all left-wing causes actually come together for the great universal left-wing cause of destroying civilization. Yes, and specifically hating conservatives, hating white people, hating capitalism, hating the West. So those are their big boogeyman. So, of course, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, at least until they get what they want. I suppose if they got what they want ever, then they would eventually attack each other.

But then it says on here, it continues. So they wanted, first they were going to disrupt, bring flags, drums, or anything to make noise, make the event impossible. They say, why protest turning point USA? This is what their flyer says. Charlie Kirk was a right-wing Nazi Trump supporter and public speaker who visited college campuses who spout hate speech, which is not real, and create viral clips. His organization, T.P. USA, shares his fascist view. against minorities and they say and they basically demand to disrupt and shut down this Chloe Cole event. They call her a transphobic grifter which is that's one way to describe a

person whose life was nearly destroyed by this insane cult. By the trans mania. Chloe, I just want to make one note here. Chloe was adamant about the event continuing on. The chapter was adamant about the event continuing on. We wanted the event to continue on. Some of the people that we needed to be supportive of that event continuing on, ultimately pulled out at the last minute. They didn't want liability. They didn't want potential of violence. Ultimately became unfeasible to keep the event continuing on, but the chapter and Chloe have immediately committed to rescheduling. There was a backdrop about this event that was somewhat interesting. So there was an actual murder outside of campus. It was off-campus housing near and around, University,

Washington's campus up in Seattle, there was a stabbing murder of somebody that identifies as trans. It looks to be, we don't know the details. The suspect is still at large. It's a black individual, black male with a beard that apparently maybe even tried to break into this housing complex a couple days before. And anyways, this person was stabbed to death. And so they were using that as sort of a backdrop to attack the event, which they do a lot. They have, they've, they've, it seems. There is an elevated death rate for transgender Americans, and they love to spin it as if this is the result of hate crimes that they're hunted by right wingers. This is not true. They're sadly more likely to die by suicide, by murder, by drug overdose because this lifestyle is associated with things that lead to an early death.

This is one of the reasons this cult is so dangerous and so harmful. Chloe has spoken out. She immediately released this video. We'll play it for you. SOT 11. I was scheduled to speak tomorrow at an event at University of Washington hosted by TPA USA's local chaper. Antifa has assembled a local militia, in their own words,

to shut down this event. Their actions, their explicit threats on my life, have raised this event to national attention. A level of attention, our security team, and the local PD are frankly unprepared for. before Charlie Kirk's assassination, I think I would have been less careful. But the times have changed.

And speaking on a university campus in 2026 can come with deadly consequences. This is not a win for Antifa, because truth will always win. I will be back. Once conversations stop, that is when the violence begins. So we're proud of Chloe. She's strong. She's courageous.

Proud of that chapter. The chapter, by the way, has released a statement, and I think it was solid. As many in the Seattle area have heard, a transgender University of Washington student was tragically murdered on Sunday night. The University of Washington chapter at Turning Point USA condemns this horrific act of violence in the strongest possible terms. Of course they do, but it does seem disconnected. No one should ever be subjected to such senseless brutality. Our thoughts and condolences are with the victims, family and friends. In light of this tragedy, and by an overwhelming surge of violent threats directed at our chapter,

threats that appear deliberately designed to falsely associate our peaceful event with the murder. We have made the difficult decision to postpone our upcoming event with Chloe Cole. TPSA at UW is not leaving campus. We remain fully committed to promoting free speech, open dialogue and intellectual diversity at the University of Washington. We look forward to rescheduling this important conversation at the earliest appropriate time. So well said from them. And I think that you're seeing something we talked about yesterday on the show with Miranda Devine, that there is a rise in left-wing violence.

directed at conservatives, especially Turning Point USA, campus conservatives, and this weird confluence of the Antifa, Trans-Tifa, and Palestine, pro-Palestine-aligned groups coming together to really threaten conservatives. It has to stop. And hopefully, the administration's getting serious about cracking down on some of these networks that spew such hatred. All right. So, President Trump is in China. And it's a, I think, a landmark meeting because of the backdrop that we are experiencing this upon. And that is Iran. You've got the Taiwan issue. You've got AI and semiconductors. That's a huge issue. You've got fentanyl, which, again, the Chinese keep saying, oh, we deny knowledge of this, but they are absolutely the country that is sending the precursors for fentanyl. And they

could stop it. So that's going to expect that to be a huge point of contention. But President Trump lands in China. He's not greeted by Xi. So that is something. She was not there. But expect dinner and things like that to come. Yeah, there's the, but they did roll out the red carpet. There was, you know, people waving flags, much to do, a lot of pageantry. And so I find this whole backdrop with President Trump very fascinating because President Trump is a president that has defied the and norms and traditions of previous presidents. It's not a flaw of the system. It's not a bug. It is the system. Defying the experts is one of the things that President Trump does best. Sometimes he flies by the sea of the pants, trusts his instincts. And depending on who you are, it's either genius or it's

unnerving and unsettling. But even with President Trump with something this choreograph, this big, he's sort of still bound by the system by these hundreds of years of precedent of diplomacy that has existed between countries. And so if he is going to improvise, it's kind of moment by moment and it's within a larger structure where you have assigned seats, you have pageantry, you have people you have to shake hands, you have this red carpet visit. So there's much, much to pay attention to here in this visit. But I want to play this B role as well, comparing and contracting. President Trump's arrival in China with Obama, which this was in September 2016. Obama arrived in, Heng Zhao, China for the G20 summit.

And you can really see the difference of the President Trump greeting versus the Obama greeting. Well, there really wasn't much to do. Now, maybe President Xi is just playing the individual personalities of the leaders, right? Obama, you know, didn't need such pageantry, perhaps, is what she. was expecting. But also I think it underscores the larger stakes of the game now, right? Because I think it's safe to say, Blake, that never before in American Chinese sort of diplomatic history have the stakes been so high, has China been viewed as such a rival and on a somewhat equal footing? They're not equal, but it's closer to equal with the U.S. Never before has there been

such a challenge to our superpower leadership of the world. But it also, shows that China really wants to get something out of this as well. Your thoughts, Blake. Yeah, I think, I'll be honest, if they're putting on a bigger show, I think they know that that appeals to the president. We saw that. It was very similar to what we saw in the Middle East.

Remember when he did that first trip and it was to all the Middle Eastern countries and it was just escalating more and more. Yeah, you show your respect, though. Have a, you know, bring him a giant pile of emeralds on a camel or something. Yeah. But I think it's, I think the most interesting thing is how many

different CEOs went and how that dynamic is going to work out. What are you watching in that? Well, so many different things go into that. First, it is a way for President Trump to signal, look, all of the biggest companies in the world, the most profitable ones, are still in the U.S. We have this huge amount of power. But there's also this dimension.

A lot of those CEOs want to tag along. We know the president gets influenced by the people that he's talking to, that he hangs around with. And these guys, a lot of them do want a pretty, They want more normalization with China. Jensen Wang of Nvidia is there. He wants to be able to send all his chips to China. He flew on Air Force One with President Trump.

So Jensen and Elon both were on Air Force One. I'll be honest. I think I'm I'll be honest. I'm a little bit worried about it just in the sense that we know how did China manage to rocket sew up and hoover up all of our manufacturing in the first place. They told them in the 90s and early 2000s. if we send our factories to China, if we send our business to China, if we just normalize all our economic stuff with them,

China will liberalize. China will become more like us. We really won't need to worry about communist China because all the communism and authoritarianism will go away. And I'm worried we're seeing a replay of that on the chips question where there are people who have a very strong reason to believe this because you can make a ton of money selling chips to China who are saying, oh, well, actually, if we give China our chips,

we're already ahead. They won't catch up that quickly. We'll be able to get the money and we'll still have the advantage over them on this key technology. And maybe they're right. They're smarter than I am, but it sounds like something I've seen before. So we're clear about the chip strategy currently in place, and I'm sure this is going to be a topic of discussion with Xi. The current chip strategy is to give them a generation older, slightly degraded. So imagine it would be a generation, it's an older generation chip. But still powerful, still better than what they have.

Still better than what they have. And the idea is that you degrade at some. So say instead of 100% capacity of a last-gen chip, you degrade at 40%. That's the idea. The strategy is that you make them addicted to our chips so that they don't continue pushing so much resource into, you know, Waiway, for example, advancing their own chip technology. So that's the concept. In practice, I don't know that it functionally matters that much. China has shown great proclivities and abilities in the AI space already, even if they are using old chips.

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That's discount code Charlie for 10% off your order. All right, Brandon Gill, you are a representative from Texas, I believe 26, and you're also on the House Oversight Committee. You have a big new task force out, sir, to confront Medicaid fraud. We had Luke Roziak on the show from the Daily Wire exposing that bombshell reporting. It seems like you guys are taking the ball and running. Tell us about it, sir. Well, this is a new task force that Chairman Comer created that I'm going to chair called the task force on defending constitutional rights. rights and exposing institutional abuse.

And we've got a broad mandate to look at all kinds of areas where the American people's rights are being violated, whether that is NGOs that are funneling tax dollars to the left-wing ecosystem or entities that are defrauding Medicaid or businesses that are still utilizing DEI as a, as part of discriminatory hiring practices, are universities doing the same? But to begin this task force, we're launching officially an investigation into this Ohio Medicaid fraud scandal. And the reporting from the Daily Wire has been fantastic on this. This is a scandal that we believe to be at least about a billion dollars right now, where you've got doctors who are signing off on Medicaid waiver forms that are allowing people to engage in home health is what it's called.

And that includes explicitly companionship and conversation. So these are people who, you don't have to be a doctor to do this. You don't have to prove that the services are being provided. There's no cap on the spend for this program. And you've got a whole variety of Shell LLCs that have been created over the past several years that are acting as intermediaries to facilitate these, what we believe many, to be fraudulent payments. So that's going to be our first order of business.

We announced last night that we sent out letters asking for information, communications, and documents from several of these LLCs, as well as the Ohio Medicaid program and the Bureau of Program Integrity, because at the end of the day, we just want to know where our tax dollars are going. Is it going to fraudulent entities? Is it actually benefiting the American people? And in this case, it looks like the answer is no, so we're going to figure out what's going on and put it into it. Congressman, it strikes me like what you really want to bring out here. There's the fraud element, but it's the way it fits into what I think a lot of people see is the bigger picture of America and idiom Charlie Lake. It's like America is a giant pile of money. The entire world has realized it can just take or it's like a giant pile of molasses and there's all these flies on it because you have fraudulent businesses, whether it's in Medicaid or daycares or whatever.

But then that then ties into, well, you have. fraud in the immigration system. You have fraud in H-1Bs and hiring. You have fraud in... It's like, it's a giant apparatus where we have universal basic income, if you will, as long as you're not an ordinary American who was born here and speaks English. We have universal basic English if you're from a clannish group that's able to not talk to police that operates outside the system. And you have Omerta and you just take whatever you can. It's a former reparations. It's like reparations combined with third world aid. It's like we have USAID is still continuing, but it's for people in this country.

And I guess what I would hope is you guys don't just find the fraud, but you really expose how this system has been created and sustains itself. That's exactly right. And to be clear, the goal is not simply to expose fraud. The goal is to put an end to it. You know, we saw this fraud in Minnesota. We're going after it in Ohio. I think that there are multiple other states that we ought to be looking at as well, and we will. But the goal is to ultimately end it, and with this task force, what I'd like to do is where applicable,

where the facts merit doing so, I think we want to issue criminal referrals to the DOJ. And we're also going to put out policy recommendations for the broader Republican conference to take up so that we can pass legislation that will make sure this doesn't happen again. And that's why we're going deep here. We're going to investigate this. Remember, the oversight committee in this task force as well has investigatory power, and that's an authority that Congress has through these committees that we ought to be using and we're going to. So we have the power to bring people in, to put them under oath, to make them testify before the committee,

we're going to have hearings. We have the power to subpoena documents and information, which we've already done here. We have more subpoenas that are going out or requests for information that are going out. in the next couple days. And we're going to use every power at our disposal to go after this fraud because ultimately the American people are so sick of this stuff.

You know, we've seen it for a long time. We knew things were bad. Doge, I think, uncovered far more than anybody was aware of or had any idea was happening. You know, the reason that we know about this Medicaid fraud, by the way, is because Doge published Medicaid receipts about a year ago

and it allowed reporters and other people to go through this data. So now we're taking that and we're acting on it. Congressman, are you guys going to be using AI tools to sort of like, you know, detect patterns that are suspicious? Are you going to be using technology? I really just, I really believe in the power of AI when it comes to fraud detection. It's one of the best uses of it, in my opinion. Are you guys exploring that already? That's something that we're going to take a look at. I think anything, you know, if you look at the amount of data here, and I think that's one of the things that,

that seems daunting at first is that there's an enormous amount of documents to go through. And I think AI could certainly be a part of helping streamline that process. And there may be processes that we can put in place going forward that would help catch this on the front end as opposed to doing investigations on the back end. Right. And I think you've got... Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say you've got multiple problems here with incentive misalignment, states that are doling out federal money that they aren't really on the hook.

for and they're incentivized to give out essentially as much money as they possibly can. And that's a problem as well. Yeah. And why I wanted to draw attention to this for our audience, Congressman, is I want to read this quote from Chairman Comer because I think it's what sets this task force apart. I think you're exactly the right person to be running it. I have a lot of hope for this task force because of your leadership. But this is his quote.

It says under his leadership, I'm reading from Fox News, we will continue to expose radical ideologies being pushed on Americans and fight to safeguard our freedom that we've enjoyed as a nation for 250 years. And it says Gill's task force will have a broad purview, including investigating institutions that uphold diversity, equity, and inclusion, and individuals who misuse immigration and social welfare programs and efforts by foreign actors and dark money groups to censor American speech. That quote from Comer where he says, exposed the ideologies being pushed on Americans is so critical because you yes there's structural issues there's incentive issues but underlying all of this is this dogged drive to force down DEI to this reparations for brown

people that are foreigners have no business being in this country this it's like USAID for for people living in the country or something this reparations this UBI push the the clear waivers these waiver systems that that essentially don't allow proper oversight and accountability these systems. You're going after root causes here, which is what I believe makes this a very, very powerful potential of this task force. And so maybe explain the core element there. Well, you know, it's not just the Medicaid fraud that we're going to be going after. I'll give you another example of something that we're working on now. And we'll have more information as we continue to do our work on it. But we're going to be going after DEI and civil society as well, whether it is

colleges and universities that refused to admit somebody because they were born with white skin or businesses who refuse to hire somebody because they're a white male or for any other racial characteristic by the way. And these are, this is activity that is clearly illegal right now, but I think it's still happening. These are policies that have been so ingrained into universities and into businesses that it's not something that's easy to turn off overnight. And the best way to ensure that the law is being followed, the law that the president was elected to put forth, is to expose this to investigate businesses or colleges or other entities that are engaging in these types of discriminatory practices, put them under oath, do an investigation, get documents,

get communications from them, and then we can make criminal referrals where necessary. But the root cause of that is a rotten, evil discriminatory ideology that's done, of course, as we all know under the guise of diversity and inclusion. And what it's tended to mean is that there's a large portion of people in the United States, mainly white people or people who have races that the left doesn't favor, who are kind of passed over for promotions, for hiring, for college admissions. And that's wrong, and that's what we're going to end. But that is the root cause, the rotten ideology that we're going to expose, I think, very clearly.

Yeah, well, we want to celebrate it and have to. have your back 100% Congress and Gil. You are doing great work. I said it last time. I'm going to say it again. I think you're a rising star and the GOP. I want to see your star continue to rise because you get it. You understand what we're up against. To use a cliche, you understand what time it is. We love to say Congress is getting better one new person at a time. And when we say that, we're thinking of you. Yeah, exactly. And so keep up the good work. And we're going to follow your work on this task force very closely. and as we can amplify the stories that come out, please let us do so. Congressman Brandon, go.

God bless you, man. Thank you. All right. We wanted to touch on a hearing that's happening on Capitol Hill right now, led by Chairman Ram Paul, and it is about the origins of COVID. Yeah, we haven't let that one go yet. Dr. Fauci's names back in the news. There was a CIA whistleblower that was his name is James Erdman III, so he was part of the CIA.

Now there's some, you know, back and forth between the CIA saying you didn't go through the proper channels. This guy's not a real whistleblower, and we'll get into that in just a second. But the bottom line here is that the allegations from this whistleblower are that Dr. Anthony Fauci himself put his thumb on the scales to make sure that the assessment from the intel community was not clear and directive about it being a lab leak. He instead made sure the report said it was neutral, that we couldn't know, even though the VASB. majority of CIA analysts did believe it was a lab leak, according to this gentleman. So let's just play a couple of clips here. SOT three. You believe in the information you're aware of is that CIA scientists from an early time after the pandemic began, 2020, 2021 were concluding that the lab leak was the most likely

hypothesis? Yes, Senator, very early, as early as early as 2020. there were agencies within the IC circulating papers that said that all the conditions were present for a lab leak. He continues specifically mentioning Dr. Fauci's role, SOT 6. Dr. Fauci's role in the cover-up was intentional. Dr. Fauci influenced the analytical process and findings by leveraging his position to ensure the IC

consulted with a conflicted list of curated subject matter experts, public health health officials, and scientists. This included some of the authors of the paper, the proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2, and other public health experts who have been in his orbit for the last 20-plus years. So Dr. Fauci's name is getting dropped directly in this hearing, and he continued on. I mean, this was a real bombshell of a hearing. SOT 7. There were two instances. On 3 February 2020 and 4 June 2021, Anthony Fauci had contact with the interagency. He provided a curated list of subject matter experts, which coincidentally wrote the proximal origin of SARS Cove 2. So it's not like he came in and said, you have to do X, Y, and Z, provided recommendations. It's when you look at what has already been publicly released about Dr. Fauci. and then what you're seeing under the curtain at the IC where you realize, okay, there is a narrative that was being generated.

He had tried to sort of keep his hands clear of, I didn't have anything to do with the proximate origin of SARS-Cove 2. But in the meantime, he's pushing those authors and individuals that have been in his orbit into the IC as experts. So he's directly naming Dr. Anthony Fauci and explaining the way he would do it where he wouldn't give direction

that was necessarily you have to do X, Y, and Z. But he was absolutely weighing in, providing recommendations of which scientists he preferred to be involved in the origin reports of SARS-CoV-2. And then there is this whole issue of the CIA, right? So the CIA issued a statement, the statement about this whistleblower. This statement happened during the committee hearing, Ron Johnson. who we've had on the show a number of times, ends up reacting to it and just went off. And you could see that he was actually had a visceral response, anger,

to this statement made by the CIA SOT 5. Just received this from Liz Lyon, the CIA director of public affairs. Committee acted in bad faith by subpoenaing an agency officer for testimony today without notifying CIA. Despite having already obtained closed-door testimony from the individual previously, the witness testifying today is not appearing as a whistle.

blur in pursuit of the truth, but instead in response to the subpoena issued by Chairman Paul. This proceeding amounts to nothing more than a dishonest political theater, masquerading as a congressional hearing, as the CIA has already assessed. COVID-19 most likely originated from the lab leak, and efforts to undermine that conclusion are disingenuous. I am calling on CIA Director Radcliffe and this person to apologize to Chairman Paul and this committee. This is not political theater.

I have years and years and years of built-up frustration. of agencies like the CAA, Department of Justice, the FBI, HHS, snubbing our oversight, giving us the big middle finger. Yeah, Ron Johnson does have years of built-up frustration. And this is something we've seen, especially from the IC and snubbing oversight, constitutional oversight. It's so important to get to the bottom of this because COVID is becoming, everything about that period is becoming the great attempt to memory hole. every single thing about it. They try to memory hole Floyd a Paloza. We see people going around saying,

oh, when did we ever, when did we ever start doing all these insane racial propaganda? And they do it with COVID, where they'll say, oh, we didn't enforce massive lockdowns and anyone. We've seen this.

We've seen people try to say that, you know, months or years of lockdowns was a made up thing. It was not made up. And they definitely, definitely want to suppress everything that was going on in the winter and spring of 2020.

Well, even back to the fall of 2019. Yes. But yes. Well, they want to obscure everything that would reveal that they colluded to push a narrative about COVID that they knew they couldn't back up, but that they knew would keep them out of trouble. And then they made up lockdowns when they did not have actual scientific basis for this. And you're talking about why would they be worried about getting into trouble? It's because we funded so much of this research. We funded the research.

This has been a highly controversial form of research, this gain of function research for 20 years. maybe longer. Ram Paul talks about that in this hearing and they did not want their funding to be linked to a global pandemic. And yeah, the CIA has concluded now that the most plausible hypothesis is that it was a lab leak from Wuhan, but they didn't at the beginning. Yeah. And why didn't they at the beginning? Not only did they not say that, they actively colluded with large tech companies to censor people who made that argument. That's right. They tried to impose mass censorship on a narrative that they then later turned around and said was the one they believed in. And it was one of the most despicable things that any institution has done. And I mean, candidly, if this does not end in

some sort of accountability for Dr. Anthony Fauci, then I don't think that the American people are going to get justice. But I hope that this is the beginning of it. And I, listen, I have a lot of disagreements with Senator Rand Paul. But when it comes to Anthony Fauci, this man is on fire and he is like a dog with a bone and we cheer him on. We do need to get accountability. We need all the people that were involved in this, all the players to admit the truth, to come clean, stop playing defense, stop sending nasty grams to Senator Ron Johnson and Senator Rand Paul who have been leading and out front on this. We support their efforts 100%. We want justice. We want truth. We want accountability. Dr. Fauci is 85 years old. He deserves to die in disgrace under indictment.

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We are honored to have in studio Dr. Peter McCullough, who has been a longtime friend of the show, but it's been a while. So to have you in studio is fantastic. I want to do my shameless plug for you here. He's got his new New York Times bestseller out here called Vaccines, Mythology, Ideology, and Reality. You can check it out right here.

and then the courage to face COVID-19 right here as well. So he's got two books that I want you guys to check out. You probably got more than that, actually. But you are a really accomplished doctor. I mean, I remember when we first had you on, we read your bio, and it was like a mile long. You're one of the most published doctors around. And, you know, you were so instrumental, I think,

in changing the way the country thought about COVID, the way it thought about Dr. Fauci, the way it thought about our response to it, medical freedom. And so it's really great to have you here. And, you know, I want to start where we kind of ended last hour. I know you were in the green room watching some of our reporting on it and our coverage of it. But, you know, Dr. Anthony Fauci is a guy. I mean, Blake ended the hour saying that he's 85 years old. He deserves to die in disgrace in indictment.

he did receive a preemptive pardon from the Biden administration. We'll find a way around it. When you see those clips and you see that there was a concerted effort within the intel communities to obscure, obfuscate the origin of COVID-19, that it wasn't a lab leak. It was neutral or inconclusive when it was so clearly Wuhan, the lab at Wuhan. What do you make of it? How do you react to this hearing that you just witnessed? It's another piece to the puzzle. It appears as if Fauci was collaborating with Dr. Ralph Barrett at the UNC Chapel Hill

had already published on his work in the Chinese lab. Ralph Barak suspended at UNC. Today he's actually abruptly resigned. That's news. And Fauci was collaborating clearly with now DeBard, Peter Dasick, at the EcoHealth Alliance. Dasik was shuttling the plans from Barrick over to Xingli and Wuhan. Well, explain that too, by the way, because we used to do, Barrett used to do that in the United States at UNC, that this gain of function research was done domestically. Then, I believe during the Obama years, right, it was, there was a moratorium put on that type of research because this is widely been, and for a long time, been viewed as controversial science because there has been such a large number of lab leaks and accidents throughout the years.

People think this was like a one-off. No, there's hundreds and hundreds of documented cases of lab leaks throughout the years. I mean, I forget the, this was like Wuhan is like a level two and, you know, the highest security is level four, right? Right. Well, Wuhan, during the early creation of SARS-CoV-2, it was level three. And then the Chinese reached out to BioMuriu at the time to make a level four annex. Do you know who the CEO of, of BioMuriu? When they built the annex in Wuhan, it was Stefan Bainesel, who's the current CEO of

Moderna. Oh, wow. You can't make this up. So I tell you, there was a collaboration, there was a U.S.-Chinese collaboration to make the virus, to have it have pandemic potential, and at the same time in Barracks' papers in Proceeds of the National Academy of Sciences and Nature Medicine, these papers in 2015-2016 indicate that the plan is to create a vaccine. In fact, they tried to create a vaccine in those papers.

And it's all well documented. So is that kind of the broad motive? Because to the layman, you're going, why on earth would you create a virus that could cause a mass pandemic, a global pandemic in the first place? Why even do that? Is the larger narrative here, just money?

They wanted to create the cure to the disease so that they could make money. Maybe it was not melt, maybe it wasn't, I don't know, some evil, vile, diabolical conspiracy. It was an actual accident. They didn't mean for it to get out. But why do the research in the first place? What's their explanation and what do you believe is the truth? That's my interpretation. I think it accidentally got out of the lab. But I can tell you, if you

just look at government websites, DARPA, the military research unit, 2012, they announced a program. It's called the Adept P3 program on their website. It says we will end pandemics in 60 days using messenger RNA vaccines. That's in 2012. So it's financial incentive, though, basically. And we were talking in the break, doctor, about this hantavirus outbreak that we've seen on this cruise ship

and how this seems to be, you know, a lot of people, every time a new story comes out about some virus, everybody gets PTSD of COVID, and we instantly all go, oh, no, they're doing it again. So, you know, the hantavirus, you were telling me there's even there's already

Moderna, I believe you said it was Moderna is already working on a vaccine for that. So let's just separate fact from fiction. What are you seeing with this Hanta virus outbreak on this cruise ship? What do we need to pay attention to? Is there a cause for concern? Hantavirus

is a virus that is serious. It causes a pulmonary and renal syndrome that can be fatal. Most of the fatalities, this 40% mortality rate comes from rural villages down in Argentina. I mean, there's a lot of deaths that occur. People never can get to the hospital. So I think with modern hospital care, in fact, in the current outbreak, the hospital is saving

patients. The important point is it spread from mice or rats through the urine and feces into the dust in the air and people breathe it into the lungs. No one's ever coughed out or sneezed out hantavirus from a human to human. That's never happened. And there was, I think, a paper that was deceptive. It was published in 2020 with a fantastic title at New England Journal, First author is Martinez. It said super spreaders of Hanta virus, super spatters, as if humans could spread it. And it was a very poorly done study down in, uh, uh, uh, uh, epiopean in Argentina, a place where the rodents are loaded with the virus.

And they thought people went to a birthday party that they spread it to one, spread it to one another. But in fact, the houses were probably loaded with these rodents because they're all over the village. It's a misinterpretation. The Infectious Disease Society of America, two years later, publishes a by Toledo. That clarifies it and says, no, this is not spread human to human. Well, what's gone on with this outbreak? The WHO has immediately assumed there's no rodents on the boat.

Let me tell you, this is an older ship. Rodents get on the boat. They're immediately assuming that it's being spread person to person. And so this is a serious thing. The W.HO gets involved, in my view, on May 2nd when they knew what was going on. They were in Cape Verde. They should have evacuated the ship and then decommissioned the ship for sterilization. What did they do? they locked down the ship. People could not get out of their quarters. This is the Princess Cruise Line again. So listen, they locked it down. Probably the virus is in the ventilatory system. People weren't exchanging saliva on the ship. Come on, I don't buy that for a second. And then people got sick. In fact, when we get to the 10th and they finally get off up in the Canary Islands, a French woman, she actually is in ICU right now fighting for life in France. That one's on the WHO. She should have never been on that ship. So your presumption here, your theory is that there are rodents on the ship. It's an old ship.

They have the hantavirus that people are breathing it in through the ventilation system on the boat. The safest thing would have been to get them off the boat, not lock them in basically a death trap. Correct. And I think now this assumption that each person is super contagious, they have people locked down in Nebraska, in a biosecurity center. in the Netherlands, they've told some healthcare workers because they didn't wear hazmat suits and they came in peripheral contact with someone that they have to go six weeks of quarantine themselves. It's complete hysteria. Wow. Well, it feels like anything they can do to make people concerned and worried. It's just,

you know, I'm grateful for your measured tone here, sir. So play some of this B-roll from this ship, this hauntivirus cruise ship. Because you're observing things that I don't think the normal person would observe when you're looking at this. You're seeing, yeah, see, here you go. Here's the, here's the ship. And basically, you see all these guys in hazmat suits walking around because, again, they're sort of, the assumption is that this is human to human contact or something. What are you observing when you see these images, doctor? Well, first off, respiratory viruses. which this is not, respiratory viruses don't transmit in the open ocean air. You can't get a virus in a sea breeze.

So the safest place for the people to be the entire time would have been on the ship deck. Instead, when the WHO got involved in Cape Verde on May 2nd, they locked people underneath. And you're going to see some images now where the people are in their cabins with no hazmat suits and they look desperate. They go outside. They put on these personal protection. of gowns and caps and gloves and everything. Then they hose them down outside. Now, watch carefully.

Some of the other people around them have no masks or head in a hazmat suits, including the driver. So to me, this looks like WHO theater. Yeah. And you mentioned that the W.H.O doesn't even treat anybody, right? They don't treat people. It's all, it's all the way President Trump is vindicated now for pulling us out. So in this whole story, I was reminded of the Gene Hackman story.

All right. So Gene Hackman and his wife, you guys will remember, were found dead in their New Mexico house. Really sad story. Gene Hackman was very celebrated, accomplished actor. Did some great iconic roles. It was a sad way to go out. I mean, he was in his 90s, I believe. And they found him either dead of a heart attack or dehydrated.

His wife, though, was confirmed to have died from a haunted by her. It seems what happened is she died, and then he had dementia. And so he was dependent on her, and he couldn't care for himself. Correct. So it was a terrible, terrible way to go, but she died of hantavirus. So this is very interesting because you talked about this Argentina story where it's carried by mice and rodents. What can you tell us about this Gene Hackman story that would be, you know, illuminating for this current cruise ship story? Well, it takes about a week to ascertain where the rodents are to sample the droppings in the urine.

And they did find rodents on his property as outbuildings. They even found some of this actually in his vehicles. Wow. She dies of it, this really brutal pulmonary renal syndrome. And the interpretation is he has such severe dementia. He ultimately dies a dehydration heart attack. By the way, one of the dogs died as well, not of hanto virus, but probably of dehydration. But it takes at least a week of investigation.

Do you know what the WHO did with this ship, the M.V. Hondias in Cape Verde? After they got the people off? They kind of looked around and they said, well, we don't see any rats here. They didn't do any inspections, no samples. They let the crew, 30 crew and some healthcare workers get back on the ship

and then sail for Rotterdam without any biosecurity precautions. So why are Americans locked down in Omaha, Nebraska, in a contagion center, and why are the crew sailing off to Rotterdam on the ship?

This is astounding. Yeah, so you're saying that there could be some of these crew members that end up getting exposed to the rat droppings or whatever in the ventilation system, there could be more crew members that come down with hantavirus. It's possible. I'm hoping that they are wise enough to know what's going on, at least chlorox down the surfaces. They do say that they're wearing masks now. And by the way, masks would play a role because these are on large dust particles.

But the WHO has said when they get to Rotterdam, these guys are in six to eight weeks of quarantine. But you couldn't you, since it is, it's not respiratory, you were saying it's, you could, you should be able to do a blood test and see if they're carrying the virus. Right. It's a blood PCR test. Now, it tends to have false positives. We already had two people go to Emory. Remember, oh, she's blood test positive, but then quickly was negative and she's fine.

So what we need is we use the blood PCR test, and then there are also serologies or early antibody measurements. And, of course, the clinical syndrome should be recognized by the doctors. but this report that you see in the media of somebody test positive is not helpful. Yeah, so this feels like this huge panic over something that's linked to rat droppings. And they keep talking about human-to-human contact or it's tough to pass human-to-human, but it could happen. Your perspective is that this has never even been documented as being a thing that happens. So we shouldn't be causing all this hysteria over something that's linked to rat-dropping.

We shouldn't make a theoretical assumption, which is entirely, what the WHO has done and the CDC has done. The theoretical assumption is somehow it's jumped to human to human transmission and there's not even an explanation of how this is happening. The people are not coughing and sneezing. How is this being

transmitted human to humans? It's just this assumption and then to make matters worse that it's wildly contagious. Outside hazmat suits, biosecurity centers, people away from their families and for very long periods of time. And by the way, the

latency phase on this is probably grossly overestimated. It's been said, oh, you can have the virus for eight weeks before it's expressed. I think that's overestimated because in these studies, largely from South America in the desert southwest, we never know when the exposure to the rodent is. If someone's in the house and the rodents are still back behind the walls, you're continually exposed. What we saw is the ship takes off at April 1st, everybody's well. The first band gets sick by April 6th and he's dead by April 11th. But it could be possible that he brought the hantavirus with him. It could be.

It's possible. There's been speculation that they came in a garbage dump and they tracked it on their feet. Let me tell you, the virus doesn't stay alive outside the rodents very long, only about two to three days. So the rodents have to be there continually excreting in order for you to get. So that's the reason why rodent control is key. I think this whole thing is probably going to be. back to rodent spread, not human to human. I don't think people are wildly contagious. And you can see

experts going out there saying, you know, we see this happening and an error of precaution, but no one is able to identify clear human-to-human spread. All right. We've only got a minute and 30 left. I want to ask you about Marty McCarrie, who was the head of the FDA and he has resigned now, huge, huge following within the Maha movement. So I'm watching the Maha movement and, you know, Are they happy? Are they unhappy? Because I think it's an important part of our coalition for 26, 2028. Just really quickly, what's your read on what happened there? And, you know, should we be concerned if you're a Maha fan? Well, you know, like me, McRey was a frequent commentator on the news on Fox, for instance. We went on primetime many times during the pandemic. Now, he focused on

lockdowns and masks, and I was focused on the heavy duty things like early treatment and vaccines. He was the first surgeon to ever be appointed to that position. He didn't have any leadership experience and didn't have any drug development experience. I think, honestly, he just wasn't a good fit. Trump had very good things to say about him. But I think we need to do better. We need somebody who has bona fide drug development and drug safety experience. Yeah, and he's come on this show.

He's been great. Charlie and he were friends. And we wish him well. It could just be one of those things where it wasn't the right fit. He's a great guy. I've been very courageous during COVID. So anybody that's courageous during COVID has my massive respect, like you, sir. So hopefully, hopefully he goes on to even greater and better things.

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I want to make sure I get your whole title correct here. Dr. Oz, Dr. Mehmet Oz, formerly known as the Wizard. No, I'm just kidding. He's the administrator for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid services, huge, huge job, and you have taken front and center and so much of what the administration is doing with this fraud task course. When you entered this job, did you know that this was going to be such a huge part of what you did? You know, we made OKRs, objectives and key

results. Folks who work in the technology space, they'll recognize that's a tactic that's used with large organizations to sort of make sure everyone knows where you're headed. Crushing fraud, waste, and abuse is one of them. And I'll tell you why. I was approached by so many vendors after the president nominated me who wanted to sell us services to reduce fraud waste and abuse. So I figured there's a lot of market here. All these people did they're going to make a fortune shutting down fraud. By the way, they take a part of the action, which is why they make so much money. I thought if there's 100 vendors approaching me to sell me services, there's something going on I got to pay attention to.

So it actually clued me into the magnitude of the problem. What I didn't realize was that fraud, and listen carefully, fraud, is not a flaw for many states. It's a feature. It's an opportunity. Let me walk you through an example. Because once you understand that, you realize that we're not actually a team going after this. This is why what the president did was so important when he announced a task force,

a White House anti-fraught task force that the vice president is leading. That's going to be able to get an all-of-government approach. Because if you don't get the entire federal government on board, the office inspector general, the FBI, Department of Justice, us at many. care we have the numbers they have the law enforcement shops we need we need treasury because scott business guys have forensic accounting if we don't do that together our counterparty which are the states they dominate the process and if they don't want to play with us because for them there's an advantage of some of this fraud it's a problem let me just tell you the story real quick just in one

example new york state big state you know fifth avenue shopping sales right mom donnie mom donnie right the number one job and the whole state of new york the number one job is being a personal care service helper, which means you're carrying the groceries upstairs, you're helping with shopping, you're often the son of the person you're helping. It's something like one in six jobs in New York City, I think. Well, it might be that in New York City.

It's about half a million jobs in the state. It's the fastest growing part of the job sector, but here's why it matters to the governor. It's a jobs program. So when these people are being hired, they come off the unemployment rolls. You're now paying them to do something your family would do for you normally.

they're taking that money as disposable income. They're paying taxes on that. And here's the part that a lot of folks don't realize it might happen. And it's just starting now. We're trying to understand it a bit more. Unions are getting involved and unionizing these people. We're seeing similar things happen in California, where I was just coming from.

So you actually have a massive infrastructure that begins to resemble political patronage. And so when you have that kind of advantage. That's exactly what it is. Exactly what it is. You're now having the federal government funding a jobs program that states and unions that support one political party in general are taking the public unions not i'm not talking about private unions are taking advantage of so i think we

have a big battle in front of us we have already deferred um about 350 million dollars from minnesota because they're past the receipts what they pay us what they show us they paid don't add up in our mind we did just too much variance and again Medicaid which is for poorer people folks who are vulnerable, the state pays the bill, and then we reimburse them, as opposed to Medicare, which is for older folks, where we just pay the bill the get-go. And we have a lot more control over Medicare. That's why things like hospice fraud are so maddening to be, because hospice fraud happens when states don't police licenses and the federal government's not paying attention. And the prior administration actively ignored warning signs that there were problems.

And in California, the auditor general of the state of California four years ago said, we have a fraud problem, you must act. No one did anything. I have a question. How much of this accelerated under the Biden administration? How bad? I'm sure it was there before, but like did post-COVID during Biden, did it just get extraordinarily worse? It was weaponized after COVID. Now, two parts of that answer. First, COVID itself taught a lot of people, especially foreigners who didn't understand America and foreign governments, they could steal from the federal government and probably not get caught. Just the whole way we conducted our business of government during COVID. Then add to that, the Biden administration's willful disregard for fraud they knew what's happening. People in my agency, even folks who are not maybe politically aligned, who have been there for years or career employees, they'll acknowledge, listen, they came to government to work and fixed stuff.

They're not just sitting there trying to collect the paycheck. The good ones, yeah. Yeah, well, the reason I say that in my agency, Medicare, Medicaid, these are insurance people. These are actuarials. I mean, these people can get paid twice as much money outside the government. So if they're going to come in, they want to do their job. And they were told, stand down, don't do that, instead just focus on enrolling new people. And the more we realize the implications of that, that you think you're doing good by bringing people onto these programs that don't have the right reasons to be on those programs.

You actually hurt the people who deserve to be on there. So let me finish with hospice real quick in California. One third of all hospices in the entire country, in the whole country, are in the law. Los Angeles. Not California, just the city of Los Angeles. And so you begin to appreciate that half of these folks are probably fraudulent. That's a corruption that is so deep. It's not about whittling off the edges. It's not about sending a memo out. In fact, when the memos are being sent out from California, someone in Sacramento at a senior level stomps them down. Literally, in the end of December, they were trying to do something that was going to be very helpful. They

would have taken action on January 1st. The rule was simple. Doctors may not participate in more than one hospice. Why would you? Just take care of the one hospice you're in. You'd get multiple hospices. You can get paid more. People bribe you to lie about people who are going to die and so they can collect more money. So they were going to stop that down. Sacramento blocked it. Why? Did you get in the way of fixing an integrity issue in something as precious as hospice is because you actually don't want to fix it? There's something. So I think my favorite preposterous aspect of the California hospice fraud thing specifically, the California AG, specifically attacked you when you did your viral video in Los Angeles.

You were finding all of these fraudulent ones linked to gangs, Armenian gangs, specifically in many cases. And Banta, I'm trying to find the quote here. And he said basically that this was a reckless and false allegation. And then literally last August, he'd been bragging about how there was an epidemic of hospice fraud specifically in California. And he was fighting it. And they just,

they turn around and they're threatening to sue you for pointing out how bad it is. Oh, they're not threatening to sue me. They're suing me. They're coming out. And I'm thinking, you understand, this is how animals in the wild who are being hunted. Cornered. When they're cornered, they obfuscate. They release a smoke stream.

That's what they're trying to do, which, of course, isn't going to work for us. The president is not going to be slowed down, nor me or anybody else he hires, from going after the duty we swore to upheld, which is a protected American people. Now, here's the reality. That kind of corruption, but it does two things. First off, if you're willing to steal someone's money, you'll steal their life. These folks have no morals at all. Many of them, by the way, they're not Americans.

Or if they came here, there's one bus that I'm just going to tell you about because I saw your sponsor before, you know, what came on. You know, these guys, they stole $58 million with fake hospice. Like they manufactured. They didn't take care of anybody. They just sent in blank bills. They got paid by the state or by the federal government. They wanted to get their money out of the country to go back where they came from. They converted it to gold.

They bought gold bars. Even criminals, though. They buy gold bars, put it in their suitcases, and they're escaping, thankfully. the Office of Inspector General, great people, got a search warrant, got some of the money back, but some of the money went back to where they came from. And I'm looking at these stories and thinking, this is so preposterous. You would never imagine anybody would tolerate this. You come from another country, we take you in, we're giving you the blessings of being in America. You rob from our most vulnerable people, converted to gold so egregiously so you can get out of the

country because you know you'll get caught eventually. And we're in California. In a way, they're whittling around, spending time. I mean, Wednesday, I, you know, I was blessed to join the DEA with 200 agents to go into MacArthur Park. There's one of the biggest open-air drug markets in the country and shut down the Cinelloa gang doing business there. Listen, the group, these investigators, found 19 kilos of fentanyl. That's enough to kill maybe 190,000 people. That's what the agents told me.

That's a lot of bad stuff. And the gangs write their names on the buildings in L.A. Because they own those buildings. Like, you can't go there. So the 18th Street gang, MS 15, they own parts of the city. I'm thinking, my goodness, a foreign cartel supported maybe by even foreign governments are owning parts of the city of Los Angeles. Why does the federal government have to come in and rescue them?

You know, what happened to Sacramento? What happened to the governor? And they don't want to be rescued. That's what's worse. They fight you guys. They sue you guys. They create political ads demonizing you guys. Do we have a ballpark estimate?

What is the national scale? How much are we losing? to fraud generally, these foreign gangs, just basically looting America. We believe Medicare and Medicaid loses $100 billion a year. To put it in perspective that folks can process, if you're young, as many of your listeners are, and you think you're going to retire on Medicare, if we could take the fraud out of the system, we would double the life expectancy of the Medicare trust fund. In other words, your Medicare would last twice as long.

So if you're worried about Medicare being strong enough to take care of you after you've worked a long life, help us with the fraud effort. If you have anyone that you know that you think is defrauding us, call it, you know, this podcast, or if you got a loved one who's sharing their beneficiary number, their Medicare number with anybody else, stop them because that's like a credit card. Foreign countries take that card, they weaponize it, they steal from us. Dr. Mehmet Oz, not a TV star. No, no, uh-uh. This guy is a serious operator who is addressing one of the most critical needs in our federal government.

And that's driving out, rooting out, waste, fraud, and abuse in our medical. Medicare and Medicaid systems. And, man, it has been one of these central storylines, even so much so that you have J.D. Vance singing your praises, specifically naming you for the work that you're doing on this. I actually had the honor of being the one interviewing him in this moment. Stop five. What's been amazing on this is Dr. Oz,

Memad Oz, who runs the Center for Medicare and Medicaid services because so much of the fraud in our system is people who defrauding Medicare and Medicaid. Dr. Oz working with some of the people in our Department of Justice found, is that in Southern California, you had all these people who were engaged in massive fraud against the Medicare system. You had just tons and tons of people getting rich off fraud. And so we had our sort of our weekly fraud check-in call two weeks ago, and Dr. Oz called in. But he's like, hey, I got to go because I'm about to hop on the bus and we're going to go arrest a bunch of fraudsters in Los Angeles. I was like, that's exactly what I want you to do.

By all means, get off the phone. So proof is in the pudding, right? Here's the proof. SOT 1. Here is a big hospice center. There are apparently quite a few hospices around here, 42 within a four block radius. And these guys stole $16 million. What we have learned is roughly $3.5 billion of fraud taking place here in Los Angeles in hospice and home care.

42 hospices and three blocks. The fact that it has gone on this long, without us realize. I mean, we knew. Elon would say, like, there's all this fraud, and we'd be like, okay, okay. And people talked about,

you go around, like neighborhoods of cities, and you say, you see these buildings, there's never activity around them. There's constant, there's all these signs for businesses, and they're just sort of vacant,

empty. I saw this in Minneapolis with the quality leering center. That really blew the lid on this. It's a business that's getting millions of dollars, and then they talk to locals, and they say, I've never seen any person set foot here.

By the way, I want to, compliment the vice president because the president obviously anointed him to lead the white house anti-fraud task force but he's been a spectacular hands-on leader we campaigned together by the way in 2022 and actually charlie came and visited and turning point was very supportive in both of our efforts so thank you for that but the opportunity to have the vice president lead an ever effort like this ensures that all the different agencies within government work together you make a great point why wasn't this noticed before what part it was ideological i mean the private administration just did not care

about fraud. It wasn't what they thought was the problem. Unfortunately, they were wrong. But even if you want to fix it in government, if I'm doing the accounting work and telling you, you know, hey, these guys are taking five times more money than anybody else around, or there's 42 of these facilities, you know, working within a four-block radius, which is impossible. Why do you need 42 hospices in four blocks? They would normally naturally be dispersed. You also have to be able to get the FBI to pay attention. And you have to get the Office of Inspector General. They did guys who are like the beat cops going out there and catching. a lot of these guys and getting the clues.

You need the Department of Justice to focus. You need to have accounting and banking support. Because remember, what you really appreciate is the small-level guys, just like the drug business. They make small months of money, a million here, a million there. Then it aggregates up through money laundering and other ways of obfuscating where the cash is headed to these large criminal syndicates.

And these syndicates, they're dangerous. They'll scare you. I went to Flushing, New York recently. Now, for folks who don't know Flushing, New York is a massive change. Chinese population there. And I ran into, I was looking at these things called social adult daycare centers. They're basically unlicensed facilities where seniors can come together. They do it because they can recruit people in these facilities to give up their Medicare beneficiary numbers, which are like credit cards. They say, listen, I'll pay you $1,000 a month. You sign this document saying you came here every

day. We're going to send you home health care, even if you don't need it. We're going to send you wheelchairs you don't need, expensive prescription branded drugs you don't want. I'm going to send you for x-rays you don't need just because you can generate billing. So they do all this stuff. I go there and run to my charge nurse. Now, she's like nurse ratchet. She's a tough nut. I've opened chest with her. You know, we've been through some life and death circumstances. Nothing phases her. She sees me. She initially hugs me. She's so happy I'm there. And then she asks me why I'm there. And I have some guys around me there, you know, they look like their FBI and DOJ because they were, right? They came from the Southern District. We went over there. And she says, if you're with law enforcement,

you have to leave right now. I say, what do you mean? She says, very dangerous, very dangerous. You must go right now. she ran away and warned me to get out of town. And then I learned later on that nobody actually will testify against these guys. Again, organized criminal elements. They may have been Chinese government involvement here. So please don't think these are, you know, small little scoundrels. These are not a few Somalians here and there. This is weaponized.

In South Florida, because it's not just a blue state problem, there are twice as many durable medical equipment suppliers than McDonald's. That's impossible. I mean, Bobby, as great as he is, not shutting McDonald's down. Right? So you've got, you're seeing now massive growth. Why? We think the Cuban government might be involved.

Mayor Suarez thought that. We have Cuban nationals that are often put as the titular owners, but they don't. They pretend to send bills out, again, with stolen beneficiary numbers. They generate billions of dollars. Can we, can we make it like AI involved to like trace this? Are we doing that? Oh, yeah, big time. So we have a, we announced a major fraud center.

And this is a, it's all technology base without doing anything else. but looking with AI and where the numbers don't work. You used to build this much, now you're building way up, and you're much higher than anyone around you or you're in the wrong place. Lack of oversight, because you talk about the states. We had Luke Rosiak on the show, who was the Daily Wire, did that Medicaid millionaire story that came out. I read it.

Excellent work. But one of this issues, you talk about it's not just a blue state issue. This is Ohio, Governor DeWine. They intentionally rolled back some of the accountability and oversight, these waiver programs. What are you going to do about that to hold the states accountable? It's a brilliant question because when you really get down to it, you have people who are not breaking the law. They're just breaking the moral code.

We have a deal in America. Like all great people, we will take care of our most vulnerable. Hubert Humphrey, he was a Democrat, but this is back in the 60s, said it was the moral test of government to take care of those at the dawn of life, our children. We cover 53% of all kids born in America on Medicaid or chips. Take care of those at the twilight of life, our seniors, and take care of those. of those living in the shadows, people on drugs, people who just can't get out of their own way. So our job is take care of our fellow man when they struggle. When you allow people to pilfer, to pilfer these entities and take advantage of our

most vulnerable, we're abdicating our responsibility. And that's what I'm seeing. And again, it's not just blue states. We're seeing in many places, and we're going to hold folks accountable. It is imperative that we buckle down and send a very clear message that what started and really got weaponized during COVID is done. not going to tolerate this. It's a new sheriff in town. We're coming after you. And I'll tell you, the vice president, we've had been significant discussions around this. Colin, the team,

Andrew Ferguson, that whole team around him that he's brought in is getting everyone working together. When you bring all the fingers together, you make a fist. And we're going to pound hard until we clean up these problems. But couldn't you change regulations if you're going to, like, get these grants or these reimbursements that you have to enforce certain things or get rid of these waiver programs? Could you do something like that? We're actively doing that. We have, we have rulemaking that I'm not supposed to speak about until we actually publish them. But a lot of it is the federal government doing its job too. But, you know, I inherited an agency I think is fantastic, but we had definite shortcomings. This failure was across all of government. I just wanted to put in

scope, you mentioned $100 billion a year of fraud just within your office. That's the annual cost of the war in Afghanistan. And another way of putting it, I love the scale of lifetime tax contributions of the average American is about $500,000. So that's, that's the annual cost. That's 200,000 people's lifetimes worth of taxes in fraud. That's the population here. We're right by Tempe, Arizona, or Sioux Falls, the city I'm from. Everyone there, their lifetime of tax contributions burned up, stolen by Chinese, Russian, Cuban gangs. Looted.

Yeah. Well, so you talked about why this was allowed to continue. I think this is a deep ideological sickness within the left. I think that they see it as either a form of reparations. or political patronage, like you said, that they're paying off their voting constituents. And these are states, New York, California, that are losing jobs, that are losing productive class citizenry to red states. This is a way to backfill the tax base.

This is a way to keep people happy, fed. But I think it's a form of they feel like the white man or the capitalist or whatever their boogeyman is have pilfered from them, so they're going to pilfer and make sure that the immigrant class, the black and brown class is compensated fairly. I don't think they want to see this stuff. I genuinely think they want to turn a blind eye to it because they know it's happening and they want it to happen. That's my opinion. You don't have to agree with it. Explain just the ideology that you think because you're coming into this agency and working with the states. You're seeing it. What's driving them? What do you think it is? I think after Obamacare, when the percentage

of the federal government's contribution to the state government went up. People began to figure out they might be able to gain this. Now, everyone sort of realized there was a risk here. But is there a war in the patriarchy? That's an obviously issue

we can talk about quite a bit. But within this, I don't have to assess motivation. I can just assess action. What you are doing is actively destroying our country. And you're destroying programs that I personally have worked in my whole life and I love. Medicare is an incredibly

effective crown jewel of our social safety net every American can work their life as hard as they want and if they can't work for whatever reason it's still okay by age 65 you can go on medicare we will take care of you there are no hungry old people in the streets dying of treatable illnesses younger people who have again fallen and can't get up on medicaid we have a beautiful program to help them these programs work because we have a handshake agreement that we will trust each other and i say that because if i'm starting to pay for things that your family should do for you, and then you didn't have to do that, you're cheating. If the person was supposed to come to your house and carry the groceries upstairs never shows up, you're cheating.

If that person doesn't have any credentials or right to do it or not supposed to be able to drive you to the doctor's office, and they do that, you're cheating. All this happens in an unmonitored setting. So the entire program of these non-traditional services in Medicaid are built in a handshake, and trust is a, it's a flighting entity. It's like fizzy water on your tongue. If you don't take care of it and protect it, it dissipates. When people stop trusting Medicaid, they will stop paying into it.

We will abandon Americans if that happens. So we're not going to let that happen. Like anybody who loves a program, you'll do even difficult things to save it. And that's what we're up to. You know, Blake tells a story. I don't know where you got this, but I know I got it from you. It was an Asian culture. I don't know if it was Japan or South Korea,

but a man caught an American. Japan. Japan. Trying to jaywalk. And the man stopped the person and said, basically if I let you jaywalk like he says the downfall of civilization begins with the individual like that is that is that how you raise your kids yes that's why all of this matters it's like i'm telling you it's like you know the old adage is like the individual sin if it doesn't hurt

somebody that my my individual choices they don't hurt them so i'm allowed to do them the downfall of civilization begins with the individual and then you compound it until you have a hundred billion dollars in fraud and i just i we'll wrap it here here, Dr. Oz, I think you are the perfect man for this job. It's like for such a time as this. You're taking it on with such zest and zeal. And, you know, a grateful nation, thanks you genuinely. Thank you for how much energy you're bringing to this. And you seem to have just a joy in doing your job. And that's what we need in the federal government. So thank you. You know, I love my job. And I'm blessed to be able to say this to the president once

for a while because I love being a heart surgeon. I mean, I did. It was a best job in the world. You get to look people in the eyes and you're there for each other. It's really, every single day. I loved host in the show. Like you, I got to talk to folks every single day and try to share insights that might be beneficial. But this is unique because I'm in the change business like you are. And the ability to go out there and fix problems instead of just complaining about them exists. So let me leave you with one request. We're out there recruiting people to come join us. Not just to call in when you have problems and tips, but I actually want more people in the agency. We're going to recruit a thousand more people. Folks who understand the passion that we all

have and share it. And then if you're thinking about it, you're watching at home and you're thinking, ah, this is going to hell. We've got to fix this problem. Come join us. Start rolling the oars with us. There's lots to do. We've got a lot of turning point students that are graduating too. So if you need some entry levels, it's not an accident. I'm here. I'm recruiting from turning point. Yeah, I love it. Hey, final thought actually, I lied. Maha. Do you have a word for Maha? You're a health guy. It's such an important part of our coalition. I love Maha. Every part about it. The secretary is a fantastic boss at every level. He's passionate. He will not take no for an answer. When he locks in the things, he goes after it. I think the changes to the dietary guidelines are so important because

they reversed a hypocrisy that has afflicted our nation for decades. And now we're asking all the hospitals in the country to sign a pledge to use those same guidelines in their food, all the schools to do the same. And we are pushing as hard as possible to get lots of other problems that I think are making it hard in America to raise healthy kids. And I say that because moms will say frequently to me, hey, listen, my mom, I know she struggled with me raising me, but it's not like I'm having a problem with my kids. They're sick.

They've got these issues that I just can't get ahead of. And Maha fundamentally is about making it easy to be healthy. And to answer the hard questions, you've got to be curious. And I pledge to you, that's what Secretary Kennedy is more than anything else. He's curious. He's also courageous when he learns things and we see problems. We tell you about them immediately. And we ought to be compassionate because there are a lot of folks who don't understand.

understand. They're scared by what Maha's trying to do. But I think it is fundamentally the most important thing we can do to improve the guy who takes my job next because we cannot afford to be twice as expensive in our health care system as any other country of the planet. And we're twice as expensive because we're twice as sick. And a lot of that's because we have, again, made it hard to be healthy in America. Let's turn that around. I know you got to go, Dr. It's been a pleasure. Thank you again for your time. It's been a great joy. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.