The Charlie Kirk Show - The Type of Country Charlie Wanted

Episode Date: October 5, 2025

What did Charlie think should happen to someone who committed murder? What did he think of Christian speculation on the end times? What was his last word on immigration, abortion, and the surge of anti-Semitism online?   In one of his last speeches speeches and Q&As, Charlie joined Alex McFarland in North Myrtle Beach to talk about what kind of country conservatives should look to build and what kind of life they should live knowing it could end at any moment.Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You've got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as much.

many kids as possible. Go start a turning point you would say college chapter. Go start a turning point you would say high school chapter. Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life and I encourage you to do the same. Here I am. Lord use me. Buckle up everybody. Here we go. Hey, well, listen to this. You don't have to read the newspaper. Listen to much news to know that our nation has been in the crosshairs of a spiritual battle for a long time. And throughout history, certainly throughout our nation's history, at very critical moments, God has raised up leaders, voices of clarity and courage, and you're about to hear one such

voice. Turning Point USA has engaged hundreds of thousands of people, but young people, and I would say in the 2024 presidential election, the person, the individual, most, you know, responsible for bringing out first-time voters, youth voters. He is a great American. He loves God and country, a truly, truly great asset to our nation. Please help me welcome everybody, Charlie Kirk. Thank you, everybody. Please take a seat. Thank you. It is great to be here in South Carolina. Did I get the state right? I'm already doing better than Joe Biden. It is phenomenal. A couple of things I want to talk about that. We're going to do question and answer here with Alex.

first of all, if we would have done this event a year ago, I could say our country's in a much better place today than it was a year ago, wouldn't you agree? Praise the Lord. And there are so many different things simultaneously happening right now that are positive. I'm going to talk about some of them. We're going to talk about some of the challenges, and then we'll have a great chat. First of which is not only did Donald Trump win the White House back in November, which, again, thanks to the glory of God. He did so in the most of the most of the time. He did so in the most of the moment. miraculous fashion. He brought first-time voters. Donald Trump won the youth vote in several states around the country, including he won the youth vote in the state of South Carolina, just so we're clear. And for years, we were told that younger voters were automatically going to go to the left. We were told that younger voters were trending in the progressive liberal direction by default. But something changed. You see, Gen Z, I'm sure there's some Gen Z Patriots here in the audience somewhere. They were part of, without a doubt, there you go, all six of them. Great, you're

glad you're here. It's a little remnant. They were told for a period of time, they were used as lab rats in one of the most inhumane social experiments in American history. Wear masks to school. Shut down school. Take away prom. Take away graduation. We're going to silence your thoughts. We're going to silence your speech. We're going to make sure you give land acknowledgments. We're going to call you racist. We're going to call you toxicly masculine. We're going to going to say that God does not exist. We want you to sit at home, watch a laptop, and just wither away into existence. It was, without a doubt, one of the most cruel things that we adults have ever done to our nation's children. And I do not believe that our nation's leaders have

been held accountable enough. I believe Anthony Fauci needs to go to federal prison for the rest of his life for what happened during COVID. I don't care if Biden's auto-pay. I don't care if Biden's signed his pardon, we should test that because that man did more damage to the next generation than almost anybody in particular. And so this generation, they lived through this social experiment. And while many of us saw our homes get more valuable, we saw our stocks go up, this generation saw themselves get poorer. They saw their relationships fall apart. They saw their friends commit suicide. They saw so many people fall to depression and anxiety and mental anguish and torture. And so the calamity that was presented in front of this generation

set the table for a right-wing correction, a right-wing revolution that happened gradually and then suddenly. This last election, we saw the next generation, young men in particular, they moved 44 points more Republican from 2020 to 2024, delivering the White House for Donald Trump in record numbers. And it is not just that they are becoming more conservative. This is the most exciting thing. We should celebrate that they're loving the nation again. We should celebrate that they want to get married. We should celebrate that they want to have children.

But most importantly, everybody, they are on pace to be the most Christian generation in the last 50 years. That is the most important thing. More and more young people are giving their lives to Christ. more and more young people are putting God as number one. They're spiritually curious. They go on these college campuses and they don't want to just hear about North African lesbian poetry.

They don't just want to hear about, you know, you're systemically racist because you are white. These failed postmodern secular ideas are falling apart in real time. And if there's only a couple things you remember that I say tonight, remember that America will not be a free nation if we are a nation without our commitment to God. If we are one nation under God, not one nation under government.

And if we are one nation under the state, then you will cease to be free. And where did we get COVID from? We did not get COVID from, well, we did get COVID from China. That's exactly right. And honestly, China has to pay a lot more for what they did to our nation. I'll tell you what, in more ways than one. You're very right. But the reaction to COVID was largely because of two

reasons. The first of which was because of a secular government that hates us and believes in wacky ideas. The second of which is a little bit harder truth, though. Too many pastors and too many churches sat idly by while our nation was closed. Too many pastors did not speak up and stand out. Now, I know this might be controversial for some people, but in the summer of 2020, when they took Easter from us, they took Pentecost from us, when they were telling us that everything was racist and terrible and awful. We should have had more pastors marching out in the streets saying, arrest me and throw me to prison. You will never call the church not essential again. You see, COVID happened for those two major reasons. And now we are faced with this reality where

the next generation, they want something ancient, they want something true, they want something lasting, they want something good, they want something that will be around not just for five minutes, but for the rest of their life. You see, when they go to church, they want to be struck with awe and wonder that only Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit can fill them. You see, they want a different type of Christianity than sometimes we've been tempted to present. You see, what we have been told is we have been told for the last couple of decades, hey, if you want young people to come to Jesus, never talk about biblical truths, don't talk about biblical marriage, don't talk about the family, instead just say, hey, all are welcome here, we're not going to talk about sin,

we're only going to talk about Jesus. Now, what is wrong about that? Of course, we should talk about Jesus all the time. But a young kid shows up to church, and he never hears about sin. You just hear about how great he is. You know, you're all so great. You're all so wonderful. God loves you the way you are. None of that is necessarily wrong. Well, the you are wonderful part is wrong. But he says, yeah, I'm the best. This pastor thinks I'm the greatest. And then he says, oh, by the way, give your life to Jesus. He's like, give my life to Jesus. You said I was the best. And Jesus can be your savior, and he'll say, why do I need a savior? You just said I was the best. You cannot. You cannot ever properly get someone to give their life to Christ and need a Savior if they don't know what

they need to be saved from. And if we don't talk about sin, which means being off target, then why would a generation ever want to give their life to Jesus? The modern gospel is let's water it down so that everyone will come and we're going to cast a wide net and then we're going to give everyone the gospel of Jesus incrementally and slowly. But it turns out that is a lie. It's fraudulent. First of all, has you. it worked. Church attendance was going down. Church attendance has sloped down. People have becoming less Christian last 30 years because churches have become weaker and they stopped teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ verse, verse by verse, chapter by chapter, and truth by truth. Instead,

what we've seen is people show up and they say, yeah, you know, they say, why do you go to that church? Well, they have good parking and the coffee's above average and it's like, it's a rock concert with a TED talk and I think, you know, it's a lot of fun. Everybody, you don't go to church to have fun. If you have fun while you go to church, good. That means there, you know, that's extra bonus points. You go to church to get saved. You don't go to church to be entertained. You don't go to church to church to find out, make sure you're going to heaven to get your friends to go to heaven and you can live a more godly life. You go to church to find out, what did Jesus say? What did Jesus teach? What did the Bible teach? And how do I act more like that? And this is where this generation

they want more of that type of teaching. They don't want the watered down nonsense. They don't want the kind of, oh, well, you know, the kind of, you know, let's just say overly compassionate, nonsensical thing of saying, well, we don't want to talk about the transgender thing or the homosexuality thing or the abortion thing because we might offend somebody. Everybody, if you are not actively being offended on a daily basis or every weekly basis when you go to church, your pastor's not doing his job. You know why? The Bible's supposed to be offensive to your flesh. The Bible's supposed to be offensive to your lower appetites. And so what we're met with here is really a time for choosing for American Christianity. So many pastors, they failed the test during COVID. They failed

the test during the lockdowns. And now they're wondering, well, if I want to grow my church, I have to try to water things down. I can tell you, as somebody who now draws thousands of people at our college events, by the way, I go to college campuses so you guys don't have to. You're welcome. And when I go to these college campuses, anyone can go up to the mic. They're not going there to go hear the water down, happy, go lucky, everyone is great. They go there because they want to find the truth. And sometimes the truth might seem provocative and cut against your flesh. It might come and go. Well, that's kind of not what I've heard before. You haven't heard it before because we have approximated an entire culture that has gone used to accommodating people's and affirming people's sins. And then people

say, well, Charlie, Jesus says us that we should love one another. How do you love? Do you love by lying or by telling the truth. And remember, Christ our Lord is just as much grace as as he is truth. The modern church only cares about grace and they never tell the truth. And now we have this opportunity of a monumental amount of our nation's young people.

Students that are coming that are seeking Jesus and they're seeking something that is beautiful and that is divine. You know why? Because they know something that's ugly. No, I'm not just talking about their college professor. They know something that is ugly. the whole culture around them is ugly from how people talk to how they increasingly dress

to the words to the music and they say enough this is I don't want to live like this so they're going towards something ancient we are sitting on the precipice of the greatest Christian revival since Billy Graham if we seize it but it's not going to happen with a bunch of weak need wobbling pastors

being afraid that they might get an angry email from somebody because they dare talked about, well, abortion is a sin. I hate you, pastor, because you just judged me. Okay, first of all, if you're the one writing those emails, you have a problem with the word of God, not with that pastor. But secondly, if you as a pastor are not trying to trim down your church to a manageable size every single Sunday, blessed subtraction, then you are not doing your job. You see, far too often, we want to try to cast the widest net. We say, we want everyone to join us. to hear us. But imagine if I went to a college campus. And someone asked me about it. I said,

well, you know, what do you guys want to hear? I'll just tell you what you want to hear. Well, then you wouldn't be, nothing I would do would have any resonance. It wouldn't be, it wouldn't be the idea or the crusade of truth. And so I'm extremely excited. I'm extremely optimistic about where this can head. Simultaneously, I'm worried that the American church is largely unequipped for what is coming because they have this muscle memory that is built up where they have this false impression of what the church should be and that involves by the way something very important number one always should be jesus christ that's the most important thing the most important thing is winning people over for jesus christ what's the second most important thing to make sure you could do the first thing

that's where politics comes in if you don't do the second thing then you can't do the first thing why don't we go all open a church in saudi arabia does that sound a good idea you can't because a politics. Why don't we go open a church in Afghanistan? You can't because of politics. We as Christians have been fed a lie that we should not get involved in politics. You know, people say all the time, well, Charlie, you know, you're too political. No, no, I'm biblical. It's a big difference. They say, well, where in the Bible does they say be political? Well, let's open up. Daniel, Esther, Mordecai, Nehemiah, Moses, Zerebabel, Neh. You want to pick almost any portion of the Old Testament. They're talking about either the moral or the civil.

law, how God is set up for us to live. You see everybody, the kicker that I think that is in front of us is that we have this opportunity to reorient an entire nation back to what ultimately matters. What ultimately matters is that there is a God and you are not him, that we live under his teaching and there is a natural law and that normativity is woven into nature, that there is a moral law that we should point towards, that no, you don't get to point to your own truth. You don't get to come up with your own values, that there's a way for you to live, and you don't get to choose your own way to live, that you should try to pursue something outside of you. And because of how the enemy overreached, God used it for good. We are living through

Genesis 50, 20 right now. What the enemy meant for evil, God will use for good. And it is a prerequisite for a explosion of Christianity and commitments for Christ. But the second part is equally as important. And that's what I also want to talk about, which is the state of our nation, which is praise God, God gave us a respite, Donald Trump won, young people helped deliver it. But going even beyond that, what is the type of country that we want to live in? I want to live in a type of country where you don't have to lock your doors at night. A type of country where church attendance is going up, a type of country where people are going to get married and have children, a type of country where we are not going to have a Muslim Marxist mayor of New York City.

there's something wrong with that everybody now this is where people say charlie you can't say that let me repeat it for whatever stenographer for the media there's something wrong when you have a muslim marxist mayor of new york city our greatest city there's something wrong with that in fact we don't talk enough about Islam

there is a red green access that is trying to suffocate this country we talk a lot about the red which is the marxist we don't talk nearly enough about the islamist we don't talk nearly enough about the islamist we don't talk nearly enough about the hundreds of thousands of Muslims that we have voluntarily imported into our country that build mosques, implement Sharia law, they court, I don't know if you guys have this problem in South Carolina or not, but it's a, thankfully no, but you go to Minneapolis, you even go to Dallas, you go to New York, and it will metastasize, it will spread. You know why? Because the women of the West, they get cats, the women of Muslims, they have eight kids. Eventually, it doesn't work very well.

It's just a bunch of math. The women of the West have abortions. The women of Muslims, they have entire communities they can fill. When you import one, you get 30, you know, 10 years later, chain migration, all this nonsense. People say, but Charlie, don't you understand that the immigrants make our country better? Hold on a second. Immigration without assimilation is an invasion. And when you have millions of people coming into the country that do not learn our language, that do not learn our language, that do not learn

our culture. Let me a great example. Any truck drivers out there? I'm sure we have a couple of truck drivers. I see some hands being raised. God bless you guys. Do you know that just the other day, an illegal alien that entered in this country by the name of Harbinger Singh, one of 400,000 illegal alien refugees that Joe Biden gave commercial driver's licenses to? So 18-wheel big rigs, okay? This guy did an illegal U-turn in the middle of the day. Do you see this video? A legal you turn in the middle of a day on a two-way highway, on a two-way highway, in a two-way highway in Florida goes around and kills three Americans. Everybody, there are 400,000 of them. They don't read English. How can you read the street signs? How can you communicate on two-way radio? How can you talk to a

police officer? How do you even know what you're caring if you don't communicate English? You know what's happened here, everybody? We, as conservatives and Christians, we've allowed them to take our generosity for granted. They have taken advantage of us. And it is not against the individual person or, you know, all the great sob stories that we hear or whatever. But here is the kicker. The kicker is this. We need to love the nation so much that we don't care about the insults that they throw at us. We need to care about our neighbors so much that we don't want them to die by an 18-rig

semi-truck doing a U-turn in Florida and being killed by a foreign illegal alien that was given a commercial driver's license. We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries, and today, I want to point you to their podcast. It's called Culture and Christianity, the Alan Jackson podcast. What makes it unique is Pastor Allen's biblical perspective. He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're facing today, gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge, Trump and the White House, issues in the church. He doesn't just discuss the problems. In every episode, he gives practical things we can do to make a difference. His guests have

incredible expertise and powerful testimonies. They've been great friends. And now you can hear from Charlie in his own words. Each episode will make you recognize the power of your faith and how God can use your life to impact our world today. The culture and Christianity podcast is informative and encouraging. You could find it on YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss any episodes. Alan Jackson Ministries is working hard to bring biblical truth back into our culture. You can find out more about Pastor Allen and the ministry at Alan Jackson.com forward slash Charlie. Even beyond that, everybody.

When someone is a practicing Muslim in this country, five times a day they are praying to another land. Imagine what that does to you. Literally, in Islam, you are pointing yourself to another nation. You're not pointing yourself to this nation. You're pointing yourself to Saudi Arabia and Mecca five times a day. One of the five pillars of Islam is to leave America and go do a hajj into Saudi Arabia.

We as Americans are being played as suckers, as we import hundreds of thousands of people that do not assimilate, take our government benefits, infiltrate, spy, and metastasize. And President Donald Trump has a once-in-a-hundred-year opportunity to say no more, and you're all going home. We're going to take this country back and restore it once and for all. And some people will say, well, Charlie, that is hateful. That is loving to the nation.

Do you know what's hateful? They're being hateful because they actually don't love America. We're simply calling out their hate, and we're meeting their hate with a nice one-way ticket back to Mogadishu. And let's talk about what the Bible says. Every time immigration comes up in the Bible, assimilation comes right alongside of it. You must learn the customs. You must learn the language. In the later book of Deuteronomy, Moses' farewell address, he says, be careful who you allow into the nation of Israel because the foreigner can soon become your master.

Boy, Zohan Mamdani becomes the mayor of New York City. The Bible is always true, everybody. It is always true. I will close with this, and I will have a great conversation with Alex McFarland. I want to encourage all of you guys to spend as much time as you can, always going back to Scripture. You see, scriptures are transcendent truth standard. Everybody lives by a transcendent truth standard. Everybody.

Somebody might say, well, Charlie, I don't believe that there is any absolute truth, and you should say, what? Do you believe that absolutely? everybody believes and some sort of truth, what book, what creed, what song, what personal tradition, where do you get your morals and your values from? We as Christians, we get it from the word of God. And we get it from the place that built this entire civilization, from the Hellenic, which of course is the Greek and the Hebraic, which is the Jewish scriptures that gave us, of course, the New Testament. Western civilization is this moment in time where all of us can participate in the greatest nation ever to exist in the history of the world,

But as John Adams famously said, if America ceases to be a moral and religious people, it will cease to be a free people. The Constitution was simply and solely written for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the people of any other. It is not adequate for a people of modernism, secularism, materialism, or Muhammadism, another good word for Islam. What I'm saying, everybody, is that, yes, the election of Donald Trump should give you hope and conviction. That is nothing more than scene one, chapter one, and what will now be a multi-decade fight against the people

that have been waging a war against us these last couple of decades. But rest easy. Two final thoughts. First of which, as I mentioned, younger people are coming our way. And the second of which, we are up against a force of darkness that in the end, we know we win. In the end, we know that light conquers darkness. We know that Christ conquers Satan.

In the end, we know that good will conquer evil. However, as it says in the scripture, Psalm 9710, let those of you who love God, we all love God, hate evil. That is in the command form. That means you can't just sit idly by and say, Charlie, I'm not getting involved in any of this stuff because Jesus is coming next Thursday and I'm getting raptured. Really?

Then wire me all your money. Oh, you don't actually believe it. You're using it as an excuse. Eschatology is fun. You could talk about it, yay, and you could pray for it. You see, some people are pre-trib, some people are post-trib, I'm Pan Trip. It's all going to pan out in the end. I'm on the welcoming committee, not the planning committee. I'm more than what I'm doing now more so than what I'm doing in heaven. God has a great plan for all of us.

I'm sure we're going to see the activity list and we'll be blown away. Everybody, he cares about what we do here. And far too often, people get so focused on next life, I'm going to get raptured up, Charlie. It's not falling apart. It's falling together. I've heard all the one-liners and I roll my eyes and I say, while you are next life focused, as you should be, you have never, ever, ever can show me a scripture where God tells you, not to care about this life. He calls you to care for the children, to clothe the poor, to feed the hungry. He cares you to fight the injustice, to go up against evil, to educate your children. You see, far too often we've allowed the over-emphasis on end-times eschatology, which I'm all for. You guys can talk about it all the time, and it's an important conversation. But never once should you allow it to make you paralyzed, afraid, or inactive. In fact,

that is the enemy using scripture and contorting it. Remember, when Jesus was tempted in the garden, it wasn't that Satan. Satan did not quote Buddhism when he was talking to Jesus. He quoted scripture back to Jesus, but he changed a couple parts of it. Satan knows the Bible. He knows verses, and he'll use it against you.

We as Christians are a sleeping giant. We've been too polite. We've been, don't try to be more Christ-like than Jesus. Not once did Jesus tell you to be nice, but he did tell you to tell the truth. We should tell truth and love. We should care for those and love God and love people, but Jesus hated evil. You know why? Because Jesus conquered evil on the cross.

We should must know what evil is. We can only know what evil is if we know what good is because it's transcended above us. And if Christians wake up, if pastors go alongside and we go, and everyone are a series of influence, into our churches, into our schools, into the streets, into our businesses on social media. and we realized this nation founded as a Christian nation has been given a new birth of freedom by the grace of God on July 13th when Donald Trump could have had his brains blown out but by this couple millimeters we have a nation and a republic

it should invigorate you and fire you up to go out from this place and to save this nation for righteous and just purposes. Thank you guys so much and let's do some questions. Wow. That's awesome. You know, we have the same conservative constitutional beliefs, same beliefs in Jesus. We're pretty much the same height. But how about some Q&A, right? If you have a question, now we've got some mics floating around or some mics on stands. How are we going to do this? We have some microphones in the audience. Come on out, Mike runners. And thank you, Jeff Hill. for bringing us Fuji Water. And listen, don't be shy. This is your chance to ask a question of Charlie Kirk.

And I guess I'll begin. For those that may not know, give us a website of TPUSA and where are you guys today and what do the next, say, one to three years look like for TPUSA? Yeah, first of all, I'm sure somebody here is involved with Turning Point USA in some ways. So thank you and thank you. And by the way, for all of you that give five bucks a month,

10 bucks a month, thank you. God bless you. You are investing in the future of the country and you are making a sizable and measurable difference. We have 500,000 people that give us money every single year. And from 10 bucks, 15 bucks, that is a huge honor that is humbling. And we say with heaviness, we work harder than every other organization in the country. We're on thousands of high school and college campuses across America. I'm doing 30 campus stops this upcoming campus tour. And we're going to be all across the country finishing at UC Berkeley. So I will tell you, I will tell you firsthand what the Gate of Hades is all about.

Yeah. And it's going to be a riot. And so, look, our podcast is doing amazing. Praise God. Anyone listen to the Charlie Kirk Show? I'm sure some of you guys do. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Everybody. Yeah, just about everybody. If you're not, you guys can subscribe to the Charlie Kirk Show podcast page. And the show is as hot as a pistol right now. Every day we talk about things from a pro-American, biblical, standpoint, and we bring the heat, we bring the fire, and I'm sure we're going to get some questions about some of the people that need to be removed from office here in South Carolina,

but I'll allow you to guess and maybe ask the question and lead the questioner. With that, let's talk there. Let's start over here. What's you got? All right. You're the first question. Welcome. Well, thank you, Alex, for hosting this. Thank you, Charlie, for coming over. Good to see you again, Alex. We met a while back in Winston-Salem. Yeah, we did. God bless you. to the Truth Network and Stu Epperson and the name of guys back home. Charlie, you are, we're talking about a few topics that are key to society. What some people here might not know about what you all do is the realm of apologetics. And apologetics means a defense of the faith. Until I started listening to guys like Charlie Kirk and Alex McFarlane, Alex McFarlane has a book out about answering

questions. I started learning about apologetics, and I learned about how we can defend our faith against science, history, biology, even astronomy. So it covers all of that. So I say all that to say this to you. How much did you learn, or how much did it take for you to learn what all you learned, Charlie? And can we implement that into our schools? Well, thank you. That's a great question. God bless you, man. And I'm still learning. I'm not done. learning. That's the thing. And every day I'm reading books. I try to do two hours of learning a day. I have great mentors from Dr. James Orr to Frank Turek. Maybe you guys know Frank Turek, a great Christian apologist. He's just the best. And we need to keep on learning because what you realize is the enemy

will constantly change its maneuvers, but it goes down to the same five or six objections. And when I go to a college campus, almost every objection can go down to one major thing and then some subcategories. Who are you, Charlie, to tell me what I should do with my life. I'm going to keep on doing what I want to do. Leave me alone. Hilariously, they want me to leave them alone, and they come up to the mic to tell me to leave them alone. So I was leaving them alone until they came up to the microphone. It's like, I don't even know who you are, and you left your dorm room to come tell me to leave you alone. They're like, there are no moral truths, and it's wrong that you say there are. Yes, and by the way, that itself is a truth statement. You are making a truth

claim by saying that there are no moral truths. So embedded in almost every single line of reasoning, you elevate a line of truth above yourself. Almost everything. We as Christians know this, we acknowledge it, and the ultimate form of truth is manifested in the life and the reality and the truth and the ministry of Jesus Christ. That is ultimate truth. In fact, he said, I am the truth and the life. That if you believe, I am only those you that believe me can get to the father. So anyway, I'm constantly learning, constantly studying, constantly pushing my boundaries. And I would say that Frank Torek's book, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, is a must read. I encourage all of you, if you have young people, to teach them that book.

I also am a big believer in that we should teach classically more often. I don't know if anyone here is classically schooled or belief. Yeah, the fact that not everyone knows what I'm talking about is a failure of kind of Protestantism, honestly. Do you know that almost every founding father that was Protestant was educated classically? What does it mean to be educated classically that you read the great books of the Western canon and you use your reason to show

how it ultimately points to Jesus Christ? Your eighth grader should know who Aristotle is or was and what he taught. Unfortunately, that there is this presuppositional argument that we should always teach from the Bible. I believe that, that falls apart, though, once that kid goes to college. So let me just kind of play with this for a little bit. I have no problem with presupposing the Bible is true. You should say that. But if that's all you say

to a sixth grader and then their formation of that, they don't actually know how to reason towards the Bible. So as soon as they get very challenging questions when they go to University of Georgia or wherever they go, University of South Carolina or Clemson or whatever, you guys are going to throw something at me, they'll say, well, the Bible is true. And then someone will say, well, how do you know that. Why do you say that? And what these other ancient Western texts do, from Aristotle the Plato, to Augustine, to Aquinas, is they will allow you to use the natural law, reason, and the moral law to make a argument pointing towards the ultimate truth of Jesus Christ. And this is scriptural, actually. In Galatians 3, it says the law, which of course is the moral,

the civil, and the ceremonial, and the natural law, is a guardian of Jesus Christ. It's a guardian. a school cheat teacher towards the gospel. So I would recommend that. I think that we need to have more young people classically educated and more parents need to know exactly what that means. And the church needs to encourage this stewardship of the mind. Charlie, by God's grace, I've spoken in 2,200 American churches. Backstage on Sunday mornings, pastors, they've said this to me a hundred times. They're like, now, Alex, we're glad you're here, but don't be deep. Don't go too deep. And I'm like, no, we need to stretch ourselves. I'm not going to belabor that point.

But yes, be a steward of your mind. Let's go over here. And welcome to our evening with Charlie Kirk. Hello, Charlie, great to see you. Alex, great to see you again. I don't know if you remember me, Q from Rockford's Church in Rayford. God bless you. Welcome.

He's great to be here. I'm here also with my 13-year-old son, Gabriel. He is a fan of yours since... Now, I'm a firm believer that before we change the nation, either politically and spiritually, we need to allow the Word of God to cut us deep and transform us. I would like to ask you, in the millions of things that you do on a daily basis,

when is that time that you separate to find one, rest in God, and to sharpen your sword to go back into the world? That's a phenomenal question. So I'm very busy. We have 1,000 employees. I do three hours of broadcasting a day. I do 100 hours of campus debates a semester. I do lots of speeches like this,

well over 100 speeches like this a year. Travel the country, travel the world. I'm going to Asia in a couple of weeks. I just got back from Europe. We're all over the place. So I believe that God gives us those answers. Number one, I try to read the word for at least 15 minutes a day. Turn off your phone.

I have a whole speech. I'll bore you guys. Do not read the Bible on your phone. get an old-fashioned, open up your Bible, book of a Bible. Now, if you have to read it on your phone, God bless you, God knows your heart. Why is that? As soon as you open your phone, I have a whole speech I do on this. It's like a 30-minute speech, so I'll study down to like three minutes.

You are immediately allowing the enemy other attack vectors to distract you from your time with God. The pings and the dings and the Instagram messages. I mean, all that. Why would you ever have something in your hand when you're trying to study and go closer to God, God, the enemy could use as an interference. Number two, I don't know you guys, but when I open up my Bible, there's something that the weight of it, the feel, the texture, the aesthetic, right? It's almost like I'm picking up my sword, right?

I know how it feels. Like, for example, you could blindfold me and you could give me 100 books. I would know immediately the weight of my Bible versus 100 other objects. Who would agree with me on that? Your phone, all of a sudden, you're using your phone that is used for a million other things, also for that which is holy. it can be done, but boy, all of a sudden it's a multi-purpose thing. It doesn't feel the same. Finally, I just more kind of technical than that. I like to read the same way that the disciples read. I like the way the same way that the ancients read. That's one thing I don't think we should change. Anyway, so physical Bibles, put away those digital Bibles, give young people physical Bibles. But the most important part of rest that we have, and I'm a big believer in this is that I have a whole book coming out about this in December, which is that the least followed of the commandments to our own detriment is honoring the Sabbath. And I'm not here to tell you that you have to do it

on Saturday or Sunday. I'm not interested in that. What I am saying, though, is that if you think that God told you to work for seven days straight, that is not biblical. That is not biblical. That is a creation of materialism that does not exist. Instead, think about it. What are the excuses that are preventing you from turning off your phone, turning off your devices for one day? for me I said I was too busy notice that's the first thing that I would say that's my flesh that's my pride saying that so what I did is I started

four years ago I turn off my phone on Friday night I turn it back on on Sunday morning for me that's just really where it works on Saturday for my family it has changed our life completely it says in the scriptures for six days you shall work and the seventh day you shall rest now Moses repeats

the Ten Commandments and the book of Deuteronomy after it's in Exodus 20 and the only difference of when he repeats the Ten Commandments. The only difference was when he repeated the Sabbath commandment. He added a one-liner. You are no, for six days you shall work on the seventh day you shall rest to keep the Sabbath day holy, for you are no longer slaves in Egypt. He's saying that only slaves work for seven days. How many of you guys feel like slaves if you work for seven days straight? We all do. And we as Christians and pastors need to do a much better job

of talking about the Sabbath and honoring the Sabbath. It will transform your life, your marriage, will get better, there are no downsides. Things will not get worse if you decide that you're going to give a day to God. Things do not get worse. That you're going to give a day to your family, give a day to your spouse, give a day to honor and to worship. Instead, we've been led to believe that we need to constantly toil for seven days straight. Not only is it not true, it makes the rest of the week kind of this endless hamster wheel. The Sabbath should be a day of celebrating the risen in Christ of honoring your parents, honoring

the entire nuclear family, and I'll put a capstone in this. Some of you might think you are honoring the Sabbath. Here's how to know if you are honoring the Sabbath. And I said this backstage during our time together. Can you pass the Sabbath test? The Sabbath test is if I walk into your house,

can I tell it's the Sabbath? Is there something different? Or is it just like every other day? If it's just like every other day, you're not honoring the Sabbath. It should feel different. It should sound different. It should look different. Everything about it because it says to keep it holy.

The Hebrew word for holy literally means separate. Lift it up. Am I right, Alex? You're right about that. It means separate. We have done a bad job of this. And I believe we in the West are suffering because of it. We used to have blue laws in this country.

Who remembers it's blue laws? I remember. Was it a better country when we had blue laws? Amen. Young people are. what are blue laws? We used to shut down restaurants and shut down commerce because we used to give a day to God. And now we can't get out of our way. We must constantly be buying stuff for seven days straight. Okay, we might not be able to pass the laws or maybe should we, but you can decide

not to do that. So I think we as a Christian body, if we want to be free or if we want to be happy, if we want to rest in the presence of the living Christ, let's dedicate a day to turning off our devices, rejecting modernity, and honoring the seventh day and giving it to Christ our Lord. Hey everybody, Andrew Colvette, executive producer of the Charlie Kirk Show. Charlie understood that to lead, he needed to learn. Hillsdale College was ready to teach him. While busy running his company, teaching America's youth, and raising a beautiful family, Charlie still found time to complete 31 Hillsdale College free online courses.

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turning point. My question is, I have concerns over things like the death penalty. I mean, it's one of the Ten Commandments. You said no murder. So it's, it's, it's, Is it somehow justified because they're such a horrible criminal, or are they eliminating or changing the trajectory of God's plan for what it was supposed to be because they murdered somebody and, you know, they didn't go when God was ready for them? Great question. So I get this question a lot.

So it does say do not murder. It does not say do not kill. So those are two different Hebrew words, right? So to murder is a completely different thing than to kill. For example, you're allowed to kill in self-defense. Somebody comes into your house. You are allowed to take that life if your life is being put into jeopardy. In fact, to go a step further, the reason why it made sense to ancient Israel,

did you know that a life for a life, otherwise known as the death penalty, is the only law that is in all five books of the Torah? It's the only law. Not even the Sabbath is in all five books of the Torah. Now, the Sabbath exists in Genesis, but it's the only law. not in all five books. So this idea of taking a life if you take a life. What is it rooted in? Why does it matter? Well, first of all, God is communicating to us. The first thing, taking human life is a major deal. That's God's first moral teaching in the Torah. That it's not to be trivialized.

Let me give you another example. There's a law of the 613 laws of Judaism, of which we are not bound to the ceremonial law, which is one of them, that if an animal takes a human life, you must kill that animal. So it's like, okay, that's, like, why do that? Well, what are you going to like have, you know, oh yeah, that's Lenny. He killed my uncle and, you know, say hi. Like, you're going to keep that animal around? The only punishment imaginable for taking the thing that only we are made in the

human image of God. So if you take another image bearer's life, what could possibly be a just punishment for that? Well, according to the economy of God, it's that you, your life must also be taken. And according to scriptural theology, we are not taking that person's life. When you take another person's life, you already took your own life. I want you to think about that. If someone were to murder Alex or murder me, they already murdered themselves in that action.

They already bestowed the punishment upon themselves. We are simply completing the task. And think about it. Some people will say, but Charlie, you know, it's not fair because of whatever, story liberal reason. How is it, you know, and honestly, no, and I'll just close with it. I'll kind of finish with this. But you know who it's not fair to? It's not fair to the victims. You are cheapening the lives of the victims. You are basically saying the victims die and you get to live. So you get to continue to live even though you took the lives of others. So for example, I think

it's fundamentally wrong that that creep who killed those four college kids and muscle, Iowa, that he gets to keep living. So he kills four college kids, and he keeps on getting to have life, and those people don't. In order to say that those people's lives mattered, the only just thing that we can reason ourselves to is to take that person's life. And that is not murder, that is killing, and it's societal self-defense. And let me say God gives to nations and individuals the right to self-defense. In fact, Romans 13 1 through 7 says that a just government is actually a minister of God, and they do not bear the sword in vain. So when the state executes a convicted murderer, that doesn't diminish human life. That actually affirms the value of human life.

And let me encourage you, I like to recommend books, and we have a conviction. We never recommend a book unless we ourselves have read it at least once. I want to recommend two ethics books. One was written by my mentor in grad school, Norm Geisler. It's called Christian Ethics. Yeah, he wrote, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, Dr. Geisler. Christian Ethics. It was published by Baker. It's phenomenal.

The other, this book is probably the best introduction to Christian ethics by the late Dr. Robertson McQuilkin. He was president of Columbia Bible College. Biblical Ethics, published by Tyndale. Both Geisler and McQuilkin go into depth on the Christian view of the death penalty for convicted murders. And listen, we've done evangelistic crusades at 24 maximum security prisons. I've been to death row in Virginia.

I've been to death row in a number of states. Many convicted murders are brazen because they know they're going to game the system. They're going to spend decades and tons of money. They're not going to have to give an account for the life that they took. I've had a lot of conversations with people on death row. And let me say, I love people, I want people saved, but we need to have a lawful society where justice is carried out and carried out consistently, and it is a deterrent. The death penalty for convicted murderers, if it were utilized, it actually is a deterrent

and makes for a say for America. Yeah, and again, just that really important, kill and murder. I want you just to, that's the most important thing, because if you do not read the Ten Commandments says, do not murder, which is a completely different. moral designation in Hebrew, then kill. Final question, yes. Let's go over. Oh, I'm sorry. Pardon me. I'm sorry. I have a two-part question. All right, really quick, ma'am. Yes. Yes. Because of, it says it's an abomination in the Bible for same-sex marriages or anything relation. Should we, as people who abide by the Bible, are we supposed

to avoid or disassociate from people that we know that are in that category? No, you should not. However, you should never affirm it, right? So a couple of, couple lies about homosexuality. Number one, people say Christ our Lord never mentioned it. That's not true. Actually, in Mark 720, Christ our Lord talks about what is in, will come out. He actually uses the Greek pornea, which is a catch-all term for sexual immorality, which would be like bestiality, homosexuality, adultery. So Christ our Lord actually rejected using the own coinier Greek of pornea. So that's just number one. Some people have that lie. Also, in Romans 1, 1. Homosexuality is mentioned. I think 1st Corinthians 6. It's also mentioned, or 16. Am I

right, Alex? First Corinthians 6. Yeah, it's First Corinthians 6. It's all about homosexual attraction. So here's the balance, right? It should be the opposite. You should actively minister to people that are in rebellion against God's perfect and pleasing will. You should never affirm it, ever.

If someone says, well, again, there's plenty of homosexuals that I know, and I do everything I possibly can to try to get them to repent, try to get them to know the love of Jesus Christ, I do it by telling them the truth. And I will never say, you know, oh, are you gay married i reject the term i think marriage can only between be between a man and a woman not that it i think you could be same sex attracted i think you could be homosexually active and here's the other thing though this is very important this is the most provocative thing i could say on this topic that most people are afraid to say which is that we have lost when we start

acknowledging that people are gay or they are lesbian the acceptance well no hold on let me go a step further. It's not an identity. It is an action. So think about it. In the scriptures, it does not say it's an abomination to feel same-sex attraction. It does not say that actually. It does not say it's an

abomination to be tempted. It says an abomination to act on it. It says, thou shalt not lay with another man. So such is an abomination to the Lord. It says in Duna Romani, it is an abomination for a woman to dress like a man, for such is an abomination to the Lord. What I'm getting at, though,

It's not an identity. No different than if someone says, well, Charlie, I'm a serial adulterter, and that's my identity, and I want an entire month of the year dedicated to us, serial adulters. It's called Adultery Pride Month. It's the month of January, and you must wear my colors, and if you don't, you're a hater. We should laugh at that. What we've allowed is we've allowed it to become an identity when it is in action. Those are two completely different things, Al. Homosexuality. Homosexual activity is not an ethnicity. and let's go over here to the side thank you thank you ma'am i'll sign those books later if you'd like okay thank you you know i would i thought this place was real cool when i walked in and then i got in that line i started sweating so i you know anyway um thank you so much mr kirk mr mcfallon for what you do uh i'm blessed that i sit under a pastor that preachers sin i said under a pastor that preaches prepare the soil so he can cast the seeds that it will grow in us and i thank him for that. But my question, and I emailed you, Mr. Kirk, and it got kicked back a week later,

tried the White House, got no response. But the auto pen subject, is it not required that there's witnesses that witness the auto pen and even a EO that Donald Trump signs? I mean, I've transferred a lot of property in my career, and I have to have it notarized. It has to be recorded. Somebody has to witness that I'm giving, selling this property or buying this property. I hear nothing about that, about the executive orders. It was in control of the auto

pen for Joe. So that's a really good question. We do not know. The courts have never ruled on an auto pen case. However, the courts have ruled. A president can rule something without witnesses. Because the Constitution is very clear. The president shall decree. If the president does it

in a room alone and writes a note, and then he dies five seconds later, that note is valid. It does not require a notarization because constitutionally it says a president shall, not a president plus a committee or president plus a notary. The autopentho is very interesting because we have no evidence the president did decree it. So you are correct in that way. It's a little bit of the opposite of your question, which is that we just haven't, we have an example of an audience. Does everyone know the auto pen thing? It's a very, yeah, okay.

If you don't know, it's a growing scandal that the last couple of, and I'll tell you why it matters. the last couple of days of Biden's presidency, there were a ton of pardons issued that were signed by the presidential autopin. Now, that in of itself is bad, but if Biden would have had a meeting and he would have been like, hey, I approve all 15 of these pardons, go use the auto pen. That probably would pass court muster. Okay? I'll just be honest. Probably. Because presidents use autopen all the time for decrees, ambassadorships. It's just a lot. We do not have evidence, though, that Biden ever had communication with the auto pen director, the guy that was running the auto pen.

So who did? And did Biden actually give the green light? And that's where Anthony Fauci comes in. Okay? Anthony Fauci's auto pen, pardon, was signed by an auto pen the last day of the presidency. So was all the January 6 people

of Adam Schiff, who should be in prison, and Liz Cheney, who should be in prison, and Adam Kinsinger, who should be in prison. And so what to do, the Trump Department of Justice should indict the entire January 6th committee should indict Anthony Fauci and test the pardon. May it go up to the United States Supreme Court, have the Supreme Court demand any and all available evidence of actually was Joe Biden behind this? And if so, the pardon will be correct and we'll never talk about this again. I have a seeking suspicion that Joe Biden was not involved in this, that Joe Biden personally signed his son's pardon, and that was the only one he cared about.

remember he signed a hunter-biden one and he didn't care about the other ones now why does this matter it matters for the most obvious of all reasons this is yet another example of a gang of criminals that abused our country stole an election and nearly robbed our nation without any accountability and they need to go to prison somebody needs to go to jail quickly thank you sir very much you're right here I think this needs Hi Charlie I watch all your content I follow everything My name's Ashley and I'm 24 And I have a seven-month-old baby I used to be kind of left

Leaning a while back And watching your content kind of has made me A lot more conservative Isn't that great everybody Phenomenal, thank you A lot more toward the abortion area of that I had gray areas where I didn't know what to think and everything. I had a very rough upbringing with my mother, with drugs and everything,

poverty, all that. And this is my question. I've noticed that a lot of the liberal-leaning individuals, they like to ignore the actual victims in situations, and they like to change the subject and throw insults as soon as you mentioned them. My question to you would be, what is your message to them saying that babies born into poverty and struggle are better off dead when I have an amazing life with my child and my family, and I'm very happy. That morality that they articulate is indistinguishable than that of a Nazi guard over Auschwitz. That's the truth. It's indistinguishable than that over a concentration camp. Those people are better off dead. Get rid of them, because I know better. That is the same morality that led us to

gulags. That's the same morality that led us to 100 million people killed in the 20th century. It's the same that led to eugenics, the same that led to mass discrimination and mass murder. So their argument, just so everyone understands, is exactly what you would say. And they'd say, Charlie, a baby is born in poverty, just kill it, has a bad chance of surviving. Think about how dark that is. What they're saying is that a moral worth is connected to how much money you have in the bank account. That if you are poor coming to a broken family, you're not totally human. You're like half human. Like you become more human the less debt you have. This is the morality that they teach on college campuses. And I always say, even if you told me that this person was going to have a

rough life, it is never an excuse to take that person's life away because that person is made in the image of God. Now, that would be murdering a human life, not killing a human life to the point earlier, but to the left, this is why it's so important. If you do not believe in God, then a human being in utero is just a clump of cells. If you do not believe in God, what's exceptional about a human being? What's different about it? It's just an accident. We're all a miracle. Not a miracle. Well, just a mistake, not a miracles, I should say. We as Christians, though, we start with, no, no, we're image bearers. Do you know that there is a story, you could fact check me on this, Iceland is bragging that they have eliminated all Down syndrome people in Iceland. They're bragging. They're really

excited because they test for Down syndrome in utero and they do mandatory abortions for all people that have Down syndrome. That is where secularism leads you. A Christian nation looks at that and says, that's nazism that's eugenics we fought a war against it that's against everything that we believe i believe everybody we can never waver on the abortion fight ever the fight for life is fundamental to who we are and some people say charlie i'm tired talking about it well that means you're tired to fight and evil so get out of the fight nothing is more important than fighting for those who cannot fight for themselves every single one of you are here because somebody was pro-life. Somebody in your life was pro-life to give you life. The four big objections to life,

I'm sorry, I'll go too long on this. They say size, level of development, environment, degree of dependency. S-E-L-D. SLED, you can remember this, okay? All four do not stand up to any sort of rational or reasonable muster. Size, I'm taller than Alex. Does that mean I get to exterminate him? Most of the guys in this room are taller than Alex. Okay. But of course not. I don't get more rights the taller I get. How about level of development? I'm older than my three-year-old. Do I get more rights than my three-year-old when it comes to human dignity? Of course not. How about environment?

I live in Scottsdale. You live in Myrtle Beach. Does that mean that I get more rights because I live in Scottsdale? Of course not. How about degree of dependency? This is their favorite. This is the one they really latch on to. Well, Charlie, the baby is dependent on the mother.

Therefore, you can be able to eliminate it. Under that belief, anybody here that has a dialysis machine, you should be go on death row. Anybody here that has a caregiver, you should go on death row. Anybody here that requires, how about, I don't know, a two-year-old, My two-year-old does not yourself reliant. I'm trying to teach her to hunt and gather. We're not there yet. There is no good pro-abortion argument.

It does not exist. Because at its core, it is a spiritual asymmetrical attack to try to wipe out the thing that comes from Jesus Christ and God directly, which is life and life itself. And isn't it contradictory, Charlie? Even the most pro-choice person. I mean, what a contradiction. Like Hillary Clinton, who has been so pro-abortion,

but she is glad that at least one human in history was pro-life, i.e. her mother. Otherwise, she wouldn't be here. But you know what? I had a friend. I debated him. His name was Christopher Hitchens. He was an atheist. We tried to win him to the Lord. I don't know that he ever came to the Lord. But even the atheist, Christopher Hitchens, we were emailing up until two days before he died. He became very vocal in his pro-life stance, much to the chagrin of his fellow atheist. But he said, look, the declaration, Bill, of right, declaration preamble constitution, Bill of Rights guarantees the right to life.

The right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness, said Hitchens, means nothing if they're not first predicated on life. And he said, if we can just arbitrarily deny the constitutional protection for life, legal protection for the unborn, if we can just arbitrarily remove that from a subset of the community, who's to say that we want, at some later point, remove your right to life and your right to life. Even an atheist, Hitchens, who was a pretty logical guy in many ways, he became pro-life. And that really, and we've not even invoked Christianity yet because college professors will say, well, don't enforce your Christianity on me. I think you can defend legal protection for the unborn without even opening the Bible. It's just natural law

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you use it for his glory. So God bless you. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. You were talking a little bit earlier about COVID. I want to thank you personally and probably a lot of you heard in here, but during COVID you shared our obedience to the government actually does not come from the government itself, but we have a government that's for the people and by the people. So thank you very much for making that very clear during COVID. So thank you. I have a question for you, and it might take a little bit of thinking. But if you think of a the last year or two. A lot of people ask you questions. Can you think of a time that someone kind of challenged you to the point where you had to maybe rethink something or maybe change

a view on which you had before and what that was and how that came to be? Yeah. I used to think Canada's the 51st state was a good idea. But I came to the realization we have way too many libs already in this country. So that would be one thing. I'd have to think about that. I mean, look, I have so many exchanges and so many dialogues. I've had some, look, I encourage you guys to check out the longer form videos on our YouTube channel too, because the, you know, the short clips, they go viral. But we have very respectful, long conversations as well that sometimes don't always get the same virality that are phenomenal. You really see where the kids are coming from. You can really see how they're presenting their ideas.

And so, yeah, and then I will, you got to have to think about that. I'll revisit it on a Charlie Kirk show podcast. So can I officially say that I stumped you? Is that what you're admitting? I did answer the Canadian one. Okay, all right, that's great. You have stumped me. God bless you both.

Thank you. You could say you wrecked Charlie Kirk. Great thumb now. What's you got, bro? How are you doing, Mr. Kirk? I got two things to ask you, and then one request if I can make. make that. First thing is I'm a junior in high school. Thank you. Just going into junior year in a couple days, so getting nervous about that. But going into high school, I was never offered

any scholarships, at least, that weren't with anything in relation to color my skin or where I came from. There's a lot of people that go to my school and we're an ethnically diverse school, which is great. I love having conversations with people from different backgrounds. But I feel because of my race and because of my heritage, I'm not getting the same treatment. People that are of African-American descent are getting pushed. I mean, not having merit-based scholarships in a school is very hard for a private school, especially my poor mom who has to pay, I mean, so much money here to send me to school, which I'm so grateful for.

It's a wonderful community. But it's very hard to express my concerns to them without being labeled or being told that I'm a racist or I'm a bigot, and especially at my young age, that's hard for me to hear. What school is it? St. Edward High School, Cleveland, Ohio. Okay, cool. All are from Cleveland. Great. Glad you're here, man. Thank you.

So the question is, how do you navigate that, basically? Yeah, how do I navigate it or bring up my concerns in a way, not that I should say, because I'm not worried about offending anybody, but, you know, in the most respectful way I can. And then I just have one more. Yeah, I mean, look, first let me just kind of add on what you're saying. There is a concerted war on our young white Christian men in this country. And it's wrong and it's terrible. No, there is no scholarship that exists for you.

But until Trump came along, if you wanted to go to Harvard, you could go into Harvard with a far lower score if you were a black woman than if you were a white man. That's bad for everybody, okay? We should have admissions that are based on merit and character, not skin color, and race. Diversity should not matter when it comes to college admissions. And it certainly shouldn't matter for pilots, air traffic controllers, the United States military, and president of the United States, might I add. It does not matter. And so you're not from South Carolina, right? So we have a house down here. Okay. Well, I do want to talk because it's actually important. So if you were in school and in South Carolina, my answer would be a little bit differently,

so I want to give you that answer, I find that too many white Christians in the South overcompensate and are so afraid of being called racist that you invite some DEI racist not, like anti-white stuff way too easily in the South. And I don't know if you guys agree at that or not. It's true. It happens. And it does, you can simultaneously, you don't have to like, I don't know, raise your fist for like the South will rise again. Okay, fine, whatever.

While also being like, okay, I'm not going to apologize just because I'm white. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to play that game to just bend a knee and to just kind of give in to this, quite honestly, this secular humanist garbage

of race politics. So what is the solution? No more DEI in our schools. No more affirmative action. We need no more disparate impact. And the final thing is this, which is I would love to live in a country where no one talks about race, but think about how ridiculous these categories are.

White? What does that even mean? What does an Italian have in common with a Russian? Well, they're both white. What does a Bulgarian have in common with a Swede? Well, they're both white. The entire idea of racial categorization is flawed from the beginning. It shouldn't even exist when you think about it. Like, someone who is Greek is white,

and someone who is British and Anglo is white, someone who is French is white, and someone who is Slovenian is white, you're talking about the whole continent. All it is, it's a means to end for massive population control. That's really at the core of what it is. So, we've got to get the next question.

I know you've got a second part, but I will just say this. Speak your mind, keep speaking out, it will improve your character, and if they call you a racist, you need to lean in and say, what do you mean by that exactly? That's number one.

and what evidence do you have for that claim? Say those two things. And then say, but you're the ones talking about race all the time. You're the bigot. I'm the one just trying to have a better life. Thanks for shopping. That's what you should say.

Can I add one more thing? Really quick. Do you mind if I do my Trump impression for you and can you rate it out of ten? All right, fine. Well, look at these wonderful people in the audience. We have some wonderful people. And look how attractive Charlie looks up there.

Oh, my God. And Alex, what a wonderful guy. And I love all these people. I see a lot of hats and it's good hats. They're probably the best hats. And I love you, Charlie. Thank you, man. Very good.

That's a 10. That's a 10. Awesome. That's awesome. Very good. So we have time for a couple more. The lightning round. Let's go quickly.

Let's go super quick. Let's go speed round. Pretty easy questions for you here, Charlie. I wanted to just thank you for all you do. I don't think there's another human being that affected the outcome of this election more with all your efforts and what you did to move the vote. and register people. Thank you for that. Thank you. Thank you for following in the line of another great American who passed away today, Dr. James Dobson. Yes, I meant to mention him. And we appreciate

all you do. A couple of quick questions, though, are can you give us a bit of an update on the condition of Dennis Prager? Yeah, Dennis is in rough shape. You should keep praying for him. He remains at a hospital in Atlanta. He suffered a terrible neck injury. Dennis is one of my closest friends in the world. He's a mentor. He's a great friend. By the way, should read Dennis Prager's rational Bible series. It will change your life. It's about the Torah, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. He doesn't yet have Leviticus finished. But keep on praying for Dennis. He's in tough shape. Well, we'll continue to pray for him, and I wanted to ask you again, how is your relationship with Candace Owens nowadays? She's a great friend. Look, I don't agree

with everything Candace says, but you know what I don't do? I don't stop being friends with people just because people morally blackmail me. I don't do that, and you shouldn't either. Look, I have different views on things as Candice. I have different views on Israel than Candice. I have different views on a lot of geopolitics. But honestly, I traveled the country with Candice. I went to her wedding. I saw her meet her husband. I went to Israel with Candice, which is a fun story I'll tell you at some point. But what I don't like is when people demand, you must stop being friends with somebody. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's a left wing tactic. Don't do that. I'm not saying you do that, but other people do that. We should never resort to that. In fact, if you believe what I believe, shouldn't you want me to be friends with people that

don't agree with us. Shouldn't you want me to also be a tool of influence? And so I think the world of Candace, she's a great mother. She certainly has very, very fun opinions at times, and she's a great talent. She says a lot of stuff that sometimes I don't agree with, but that's what makes our relationship and our friendship interesting. My advice to all of you, you might not like somebody, but never tell somebody like me to stop being friends with somebody on an interpersonal level just because of disagreement. It's bad. It's what the left does, and we should rise about it as conservative. Thank you, someone. Let's go right here.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you, guys. My name is Dan. You could tell from my New York accent. I'm from South Carolina. And I just want to say, I'm a big fan. Thank you.

You come on my feed every day. So I see you every day. I am sick of the word, clump of cells. But that's neither here nor there. Anyway, the thing that really bugs the heck out of me is the labels Democrat and Republican. Why does that exist? I think it really should be, my big thing is we should turn that triangle around, and on top is we, the people. That's what really matters.

I don't care left-leaning, right-leaning. I just want you to deal with the people and their issues. The other thing is, why is there a such thing, like in the Supreme Court, we've got liberal judges, judges and conservative judges. The law is the law. Could you explain to me why a line of law comes out differently for each party? Wonderful question, sir. But everything you just said is how it should be and how it was, but how it no longer is. It was a country that's dead. And it died. We don't know the death. We don't know exactly when. But 30 or 40 years ago, a moment happened when they decided to

destroy Clarence Thomas' confirmation hearing. I think the country changed for the worst. Joe Biden oversaw a public lynching. According to Clarence Thomas, is a high-tech lynching of a black man where they decided to change the U.S. Senate for good, they decided to divide the country based on political parties, and now we have just been responding to it.

It should be we the people. However, I will say it's we the people versus an insurgent force that does not share our values. When people want open borders, They want trans surgery for kids. They want men in female locker rooms, right? They want late-term abortions, gun confiscation, anti-constitution. The New York Times just came out last week, or a couple days ago.

Abolish the Supreme Court, abolish the electoral college, and get rid of the Constitution. You guys can fact-check me on it. That is the New York Times. So guess what? It's we the people versus the Marxists. It's we the people versus this insurgent force. And I do want to get to this before. I'm just going to say an opinion.

I got to throw it out here, Alec. These are not the opinions of Alex McFarland Ministries, so you guys can, but I think Lindsay Graham's got to go. I'm sorry, you guys need a new U.S. senator here in the state of South Carolina. I'm sorry, you guys can heckle me, you guys can boo. I don't care, but you guys need a new senator here in South Carolina. That's all I'm going to say. All right, thank you.

Good evening, gentlemen. Thank you. I have a quick question. Coincidentally, it's the same question that Charlie Kirk asked on Twitter about two days ago. Okay. What is an American? And maybe a quick follow-up. Yes. So we are still finding the best one-liner to this. I can tell who is not an American. An American is more than paperwork. If you think someone becomes an American just because they have their paperwork filled out, our country's done.

Zoran Mamdani is not an American. He's not. He's something else. Zoran Mamdani is a foreign influence with Marxism and Islamism coming to America's greatest city. but he has a U.S. passport. What I'm getting at everybody is a deeper question that we've ignored for the last 50 years because of mass migration. Just because you have a U.S. passport, does that make you an American?

You might technically be an American, but you don't share our values. You hate our Constitution. You don't know our founding. There's a Greek word called Thumos, one of my favorite words. It's the spirit. It's the soul.

We really don't have a good English equivalent for it. The first thing for an American is you must be all in for our country, our traditions, our people, our heritage, our language, Amen. Our future. You must not have dual loyalty. No dual citizenship. You must demonstrate through other markers. This is your home. This is your future. And for some of us, it's our past. My family got here in the 1620s. My family fought in almost every major war. Revolutionary war, civil war, we might have been on different sides, but we're together now, everybody. That's fine. Point being, we have reduced Americanism down to, well, have you filled out your paperwork? And the left doesn't even believe that. They believe Americans, this is the presence of being in the United States of America.

So what is an American? The best way I can answer it, it is someone that has demonstrated through objective measurements and markers, that this is home, that you have more than respect or reverence, that you're willing to die, that you are all in, that this is a place that you're willing to bleed for and sacrifice for. This is not a dumping ground for the third world. This is not a social experiment. You got a tear in your eye on July 4th.

that you worship God, not Allah, that you have a sense of weight and responsibility, that you care about your fellow neighbor. An American is more than just someone that has a U.S. passport. And I think we need to get better at articulating it, defining it, and defending it, and removing people that are not Americans, that call themselves Americans in the United States of America.

Thank you so much. Amen. And we need to teach our children patriotism, and we salute the American flag, and we realize that this nation is a gift from God. And it's time, and I want to challenge my fellow pastors and Christian leaders, that we in the church promote patriotism and the stewardship of the country. Yes, ma'am. Lightning Round. Thank you, sir.

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citizen. And then I joined the Marine Corps and I was sworn in one of three thousand women in the Marine Corps. And then I was sworn into the post office. I was sworn into this country three times. And my question is, you answered it. How do we become, get people to love this country? And I'm not from here, but this is my country. Amen. God bless you. Amen. And we need more like you. We need to have expectations out of those that come here.

We need to expect something. We need objective markers. In fact, if you come here, there should be a 10-year provisional waiting period where you have to show us that this is your home. That, by the way, you start embracing Marxism, b'n't gone. If you all of a sudden start like, oh, you know, I'm going. to start a Islamist movement. No, no, we don't have to put up with this. We're suckers. We have

the loosest immigration policies in the West when it comes to this stuff. You should not invite your future people, the captors. Why are you going to go invite people that are going to be holding you hostage? Anyway, God bless you. Thank you so much. Wonderful story. Thank you. Thank you. We've got about five minutes. Yes. Five minutes. Okay. Thank you for coming, Charlie. And I had a quick question about anti-Semitism online. Another question here, they asked about Candice Owens, and I'm a big fan of you. I was a big fan of her, but she's obviously been going down this anti-Semitic bent. And through her, I'm kind of finding out about these other characters online, like Nick Fuentes, I'm sure you've heard of him. And these people, they've been active

for a long time, and it seems like they've just been ignored, which is working, but now they're kind of surging in popularity. And as someone who I enjoy watching your debates, is, are they people you'd be willing to engage with and maybe shut them down in a way through a debate or something like that? Well, I mean, I'm not going to debate, Candace. But no, look, I'll debate anybody that shows up at our campus events first and foremost,

but I do want to take what you say and extrapolate it, that there is a corner of the internet of people that want to point and blame the Jews for all their problems. Everybody, this is demonic, and it's from the pit of hell. And it should not be tolerated, period. But it goes to a deeper, more structural problem

of an entire generation that has economic resentment, they don't own anything, they're not getting married, they're not having children, they're depressed, they're anxious, they're staring at their screens all day long, and if all of a sudden your extrapolation of all that is, well, it's the Jews' fault, that is sloppy and shallow thinking. And not only that, they say, oh, it's the Jews' fault, okay, let's kind of play this out. Well, tuberculosis, that used to kill about a billion people. You know, it's a group of Jewish scientists that came up with the antibiotic that cured tuberculosis. How about CPR, the MRI machine? You know, those were 500 million lives that were saved over the last 50 years

because of people that were Jewish scientists that were working on things. They'll never say thank you the Jews, but they'll always say shame on the Jews. It's weird how that works. And finally, they always blame the Jews for stuff. Jewish people are in ethnicity. So therefore, definitionally, do you have people that are secular, orthodox, religious, that are all over the spectrum. You're trying to blame an entire ethnicity

for a singular problem. Hold on, let's take a step back here. Instead of that, what could you possibly do in your own personal life to improve your own state of being? If you are blaming 8, let's 0.02% of the world's population for all of your problems,

that is not going to be good for your soul. It's not good for your psychology. It's not good for your future, in any way, shape, or form. And so I would just say this, that any young person that goes into this hyper-online brain rot, you are serving yourself over to your own demise. You are serving yourself into a suicide mission that will not make you happier and not make you healthier. Instead, here's what your attitude should be.

Your attitude should be like, I can't own stuff, I got it, can't own a home, that I'm not getting married, I don't know who to date, and said, wow, the challenges are immense. I'm going to now overcome all those challenges and go on an adventure. I'm going to prove everyone wrong. I'm now not going to be a victim. I'm going to be a victor. I'm going to dig deep. This is still a great country.

This is a free country. I'm going to use my agency. I'm going to use my ability. And I'm not just going to go point in the corner and be like, I'm overweight because of the Jews. Women don't want to date me because of the Jews. How about this? As Jordan Peterson would say, sit up straight with their shoulders back, follow the rules. for life, make yourself interesting, learn something new every single day, and instead of pointing

at a small group of people and engaging in this brain rot, become a better person. You'll be a happier and healthier, more joyful and productive person because of it. Right on quickly. Welcome. Hi, my name's Lizzie. I just graduated and I just moved here from Pennsylvania and I just recently started watching your Instagram rules. And I just have like a couple of things to throw out before I get to my main question, so I don't waste any time. I was going to ask about Bill Gates and his population issue. Project Bluebeam and Freemasonry, the demonic side of it. And from the Bible, the Jewish idiom, no one knows the day or the hour. It's a reference to the Feast of Trumpets for when Jesus returns. I was just wondering what your view on the tribulation is. The book

In the book of Genesis, there's a seven-year famine. Take it away, Charlie. Great question. Thank you. I'm not making fun of you, by the way. It's a very sweet question. As I said, I'm Pantrib, right? There's pre-tribulation, post-tribulation on Pantrib.

I'm focused on what we need to do as Christians. I want people that are much smarter than me like Alex McFarland and Jack Kibbs to focus on the end times and focus on eschatology, all I care about is what does God want us to do? How does God want me to act? He wants me to be a good father, a good husband, a good citizen, and a fighter for his causes, to love God and to love people. Everybody has their role, everyone has their corner, everyone has the place that they want to focus on. I will just say, I'm not sure it's not you, overfocusing on the tribulation can create apathy and can create paranoia. Paranoia and apathy is not of God. It is not a fruit of the spirit. So just be careful when you engage in that. Thank you. We got to get to the next

question. Thank you so much. And yes, Bill Gates wants to control the population and have less people. You're right. So yes. Let's go quick lightning round. Let's go. Last three questions are right here. Yes, sir. You're on. Charlie, first of all, thank you. Three years ago, we started turning point faith of the Grand Strand. And Pastor Chris Honeycuts here in the audience tonight, he allowed us to come to his church and do it because he was a pastor who was willing to stand for something. My church wouldn't. Would you talk about the kinds of pastors and the kind of believers is what we need to do? Fine. Three types of pastors. There are true pastors, pastors that are in the mold of Alex McFarland. There are trembling pastors that are shaking like a leaf all the time when you

dare mention something political. And then there's traitorous pastors, those that have the gay pride flags outside of their churches. The traders need to be forgotten. The trembling needs to be ministered to. How many of you go to a trembling church? Raise your hand if you know the type. Yeah. You need to confront your pastor if you go to a trembling church and be, why are you so afraid? Why are you not speaking out biblically? We need more true pastors that are talking about the word of God, talking through a biblical worldview every single day, that are unafraid to go verse by verse, chapter by chapter. What does the Bible say? Why does it say it? And then most important, importantly, making sense of the news through a biblical worldview.

Because if the churches are not doing that, and if the pastors do not do that, your congregation will go find secular, non-Christian ways to make sense of this ever-confusing world. God bless you. Two more questions. Yes. Yeah, I wanted to ask you, in your career, you've had a lot of people that you've met, and in that career, have you met any people that have fallen away from the faith that you have experienced trying to talk to them and trying to bring them back to Christ.

I'm sure there is, but honestly, thankfully, my experience is the opposite. I'm surrounded by people like Russell Brand, that is now a committed Christian, an amazing believer. I'd have to think about that, but yes, backsliding does happen, for sure, but I'd definitely have to think about that. It's a great question. Thank you. Final question. I have two main questions. Really quick. Okay. This is something that's always made me anxious, so I was one. wondering if you had an answer to this in the terms of, like, an abortion mindset. And the conversation between who to save in terms of, like, complications during childbirth,

which, like, the mother or the child, would you say, is more the, I guess, the godly choice to save, like, in that. So, yeah, got it. So it's a little bit of a false choice because you can have a cesarean section and lift the baby out, thus saving the mothers, thus saving both the lives. You should always try to save both lives, but in that situation, for example, if you're an ectopic pregnancy or the uter on the wall, rips, you should save the mother's life. And then one last question.

Well, I believe the Republican Party is the better of the two, and it comes down to it. As humans, there are problems on both sides. I was curious to know if you have any personal problems with the Republican Party. How much time do you have? If you do, how would you make, like, I guess, since we're low on time, the biggest ones in your mind, how would you make those changes? Well, I would start by retiring. Lindsey Graham from the state of South Carolina.

The Republican Party is better than the Democrat, but the Republican Party's not good. Remember that. The Republican Party is not as pro-life as it should be. It does not support deportations nearly as much as it should. The Republican Party spends too much money. We are way too in debt. We're spending way too much money. The Republican Party locked down the country too much during COVID. The Republican Party pushed the vaccine too much during COVID. The Republican Party has been responsible for the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War, the Syria debacle, and partially Libya, that's mostly Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. The Republican Party is far to invest in giving Ukraine more and more money while our own country continues to fall apart.

So look, I could go on and on and on. However, this is why we support President Trump and with it will vote for some Republicans, because President Trump fixes so many of those things. President Donald Trump stands for mass deportation, strong border, amazing tax cuts, no tax on tips. By the way, he's trying to solve this Russian-Ukrainian war. He's already solved seven wars, everybody. They shake him the Nobel Peace Prize right now. This guy, blessed are the peacemakers, as it says. Republican Party needs to go more in a populist nationalist direction, in a constitutionalist direction.

We need to be a party of and by and for the American people. not for foreign interests, not for foreign invaders, not for some sort of aim or some abstraction of diversity. And I'll just close with this. The Republican Party at its best is fighting, is defining, is conserving. The Republican Party has its worst. They're the ones that are all of a sudden trying to always sue for peace against the American left. We are the majority of this country.

We won the popular vote. The young people are with us, everybody. Our values are rooted in the natural law in common sense, are rooted in reason. Our values have stood the test of time. We should not apologize for them. We should not back away because of them. We should play offense. We should constantly

be trying to persuade and convince, expand, encourage, and where necessary, push back on the American left. And so, I want a new Republican Party. I want to see J.D. Vance become the next president of the United States. Hey, I'm going to ask everybody to be seated. Just keep your seat.

just for a minute. And we're going to let Charlie take a break here. And before you step away, Charlie, first of all, thank you for your questions, everybody. To get up in front of nearly 2,000 people is gutsy, and we thank you. But Charlie, I know I speak for everybody here and for millions of Americans, and really people throughout the world, we admire you. You represent hope. Your courage is contagious. You inspire us, not only for patriotism, but to pursue the Lord Jesus Christ. And can we just, with utter sincerity, affirm and appreciate this man of God, this patriot, Charlie Kirk. God bless you, everybody. Charlie Kirk, everybody.

Thank you. Turning Point, USA, Charlie Kirk, right there. Pray for this man. Amen. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.