The Charlie Kirk Show - The Virginia Dem Who Wants Your Children Dead

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

Mollie Hemingway and Sean Davis of The Federalist join the show to pay their respects to Charlie, then dive into the jarring story of Jay Jones, the Virginia AG candidate who wants to see the children of Republicans die. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com   Get new merch at charliekirkstore.comSupport the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm Andrew Colvitt, executive producer of this show, joined, as always, by Blake Neff. And today I'm very excited and honored to have two great Americans, great patriots, truly important thinkers, and they've done a lot of work for this country, the Federalist, which we'll talk about. And that is, of course, Molly Hemingway, the editor-in-chief of the Federalist, and Sean Davis, who is the founder and CEO. So welcome to the show. We're honored to have you.

It is wonderful to be here with you. I'm honored to be here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. I think that's where we should start, is that you guys honored us. You honored Charlie. You made the trek out here to be with us on set.

And I know it was no small task because you came out for the memorial. You came out again for this. And I think that speaks volumes about who you guys are and what you believe and what you care about. So, I mean, I guess the floor is yours. Tell us, you know, from your perspective, what this last almost month. I can't believe we're getting close to that, about four days shy of a month. What it's meant to you, what it's meant to the country, what you're seeing, thinking, feeling. Well, I'll be honest that I'm still, I think probably in shock about everything that happened.

I haven't really been able to accept the reality of it. each day I wake up and I just, it seems not real. And I don't know when it is going to seem real. But the first week, two weeks in particular, we're just incredibly difficult. We have been writing about what's happening in the country. We've been writing about left-wing violence, intolerance, how they're positioning themselves into killing people who they disagree with. It's entirely another thing to have it happen to someone that you know and love and to realize that we are in such a bad situation. Now, having said that, it's also been really inspiring to see how many people take this

seriously, how concerned they are about the country, how much they're inspired by what Charlie did in taking these debates to people and winning these debates and caring about the country. So it's just still a tangle of emotions for me. Yeah, I've been kind of a raw mess for a couple weeks now. I've had a little time to kind of think through like the societal implications, the political implications. And it was interesting, you know, he was killed on September 10th. So we were just getting ready to commemorate the 24th anniversary of 9-11. And you look at all the things that happened after that.

We kind of ushered in the era of the techno surveillance state. We had a whole bunch of wars we fought to little effect. And it dawned on me in the last week. that we went from living in a post 9-11 society, which is what it's been like for the last 25 years. And I think now we're absolutely in a post-Charlie Kirk period. We are now in the age of American martyrdom. Charlie was the first true American Christian martyr.

Everything he believed politically was based on his faith. The debate that he was having at the moment he was killed was something that's foundational. Who made you? How are you made? Can men become women? No, of course they can't. And so the fact that he was killed, the way he was while doing what he was doing, he is the first American Christian martyr. And I remember talking to a pastor friend years ago. This might have been 10 or 15 years ago. And we were talking about how the

country was changing, how faith was coming under fire. And he said, I worry that we're now in an age, we're instead of having to teach our children how to live for Christ, we're going to have to teach him how to die for Christ. And Charlie really is the first true, big, major example of that. And I think we're going to be wrestling with the implications and the consequences of that for decades. Blake, you've known Molly and Sean for a long time back when you worked at Fox and in Washington. I mean, I said, when was the last time you saw Molly?

And you were like, oh, I ran into her at the memorial. I was trying to get my friends in. It was amazing how well everything worked in the end. But I remember I was figuring that out, so I had to borrow a staff badge and all of that. But in a sea of hundreds of thousands of people, we just happened to run into. You know, a good connection with Molly here is,

you know, when I first got the offer to work with Charlie, I actually wasn't that familiar with what he was doing. And so one of the contacts I had was Molly. And so I had a text message exchange with her where I just say, what do you, do you have any strong feelings about Charlie Kirk? and I remember her sponsors I don't really know him that well either but everything I've seen

has been really impressive Yeah No and then you became a regular on the show You would do Collins And Sean you did too And Charlie always had tremendous amount of respect For what you guys do

With the Federalist And you know your TV And your media appearances And yeah I mean I just want to say Echo what you were saying That you know Charlie is a martyr

And a Christian martyr And everything after the fact became so clear to me where, and I said this in my speech at the memorial, like he was a modern prophet. He was calling us to repent. He was calling our nation to repent. And we called him campus tours, but they were really tent revivals, complete with a tent. And the people flocked to hear him preach. So I'm not sure if everybody realizes this, because they might know him from the early days where they were watching these clips of him engaging with college students. But his emphasis on Jesus and the Word of God really grew each year. And so when you're seeing the last few

years, the heart that he has for people when they're bringing, you know, it might be packaged in a left-wing political question, but he would see that this person was in need of Jesus. And so when people think about him as this, you know, political campus guy, I think they're missing that. My, I'm Lutheran and my church in D.C. We held a service the Friday after he was killed to come. And, commemorate him as a martyr. And to Sean's point, this is not something we do. And we are of a mixed political congregation, but our pastors were explaining, you know, this guy was killed for his beliefs. He always explained the basis of his beliefs. And I think people have a confusion about martyrdom. Like they think they'll hear stories from days of old and they'll think it's like this

purely religious situation with no political context. But of course, martyrs are usually killed because they're running up against political regimes with what they're having to say. And to Sean's point about being prepared to die, and when we take our confirmation vows, we say, will you suffer all up to and including death before you renounce this? And everybody, of course, says, yes, we will.

But, I mean, in recent years it's been that realization, like, oh, that might not be so theoretical now. If you read the historical accounts of martyrs, one of the most common ones in the Roman Empire is they would refuse to make sacrifices to the imperial cult. So that's usually what the demand was, that you can do your own thing, but you also have to show up, you know, participate in these religious rituals honoring the emperor as a god or whatever. And they wouldn't do that. And so they would be persecuted and sometimes killed. And, you know, we would sometimes talk about what's sort of the modern religion in America.

and it would often be that sacralized LGBT thing. And so you could really make that direct comparison where he was debating the trans issue specifically, do we sacralize this metaphysical claim about transgender stuff? And he would refuse to do so on religious grounds and moral ones. And that is what he was talking about when he was killed. And that's what it appears the assassin was motivated by, the alleged assassin. Well, that's why the memorial was so powerful.

I remember we were overseas. when we got the news and I remember just getting on my knees and begging God, almost thinking I could outsmart God, God save him so that his life will glorify you. And you know, I got it here. And then God answered, no, wait till I see how his death will glorify me. And to witness the amazing power of Christian martyrdom, I mean, I wish it hadn't happened. Boy, I wish it hadn't happened. but to see the fires being lit because of the power of his faith and the power of everyone else's faith was truly, truly remarkable. We've never witnessed anything like that in this country.

Yeah, for some reason, you guys describing it as you have, it's like, it's also still so fresh. You know, it's funny because I've seen these comments online, you know, they'll be like, why are you smiling on this, you know, and I'm like, shut up. Like, please. Like, you don't see the quiet moments. see like alone in your hotel room or morning and you know even just as you talk about this it's like it just does hit you in waves and it really is not linear and um hearing you guys talk about it's just brought it all back hey Andrew Colvette here do you want to own a home the time to act is now

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talk about the big stuff first and I think you know the big stuff first really is that Charlie is a man of faith and it was a man of faith and his faith endures his faith is ignited across the country in his death and I feel it you know it's funny I my mom God bless her I always bring my mom and people always clip these parts but she was she was she was she really was loving you know the things I was saying I think but she was like you know I think my first fox hit I was just like I said something like repent and be say Like, that's how you honor Charlie. And my mom was like, maybe a little less preachy on network news.

And I was like, Mom, I love you, but no. And then she's like, you look tired. If we're not going to preach at this time, when are you going to? Anyways, all right. So, Molly, after you went to the memorial, and we will get to the news. We're going to get to all the news. Don't you worry. But when I listened to a podcast you did, and it was so funny to me because you were like,

well, I'm Lutheran and we don't do this, these kinds of worship songs. but I love it anyways, and it was so beautiful. And I was like, all right. So when she comes on, I have to play one of these moments that was just so powerful. And then maybe we'll move on after that or get your reaction. I don't know. We'll see what happens. Please play cut 30.

See you One more time So I brought my head And bring you in All that I have is yeah i mean i i'm somewhat used to these songs and this style of worship but it struck me when i heard you talking about it that you know that a lot of people probably weren't and this was a new somewhat new experience for them right so in our church we do liturgical worship psalms we have

we have great hymnity and i love that uh so when when i walked in and it was praise music i was like, oh, okay, okay. And by hour eight or whatever, I was right there singing along with everybody. What I truthfully didn't know until I went to this was how hypnotic it is, I guess, that just sort of sing the chorus repeatedly so that everyone will get whipped up into it and then they can easily sing along. Yeah. I'm more used to, you know, first chorus, first chorus singing stuff. So I just, it was different from what I ever had thought how it worked. And it were, and To be there with so many people doing that, though, too, was also great. I mean, that was a, it was just a, and to hear the people speaking and having the cabinet secretaries speak very clearly about the gospel was something I, you know, usually when a Republican or Democrat politician gets up, they say, oh, in my faith tradition, we believe in a God who loves people. And it's just so, you know, it's like, well, that's true, but you could say so much more. And have Marco Rubio out there clearly professing the gospel was just, it was a really cool experience. And in an appropriate. way because even though he is a politician this was a memorial service for a Christian yeah amen

anything to add to that show yet something about seeing the most powerful people on earth proclaim the gospel is amazing because you think back to to paul in acts who understood um he was going to be martyred um but on the way he was going to be sent to caesar i think he ended up getting sent to him twice, or arrested twice, the purpose of which was to testify about the power of Christ to the most powerful man on earth at the time. And then so in this distance, we saw Charlie cut down way too early. And the result was the most powerful men, potentially in the history of the world, proclaiming the saving power of Jesus Christ. In front of other powerful men, Sean and I kept praying for Elon while we were there. Oh, yeah, the whole time. We're like, we hope Elon's

listening. Come on, God, get Elon. You know you. I know. And then he said, like, forgive us our trespasses. He tweeted that or I'm sorry, posted that on X. He retweeted Erica telling people to go to church. Yeah. Or re-Xed, whatever. Reposted. I think is the, is the proper. Yeah. A couple of emails here from listeners. Aaron, how to move forward. He says, greetings. My emotions are all over the place. Same. Anger and grief over Charlie, Kirk being killed. Please teach the audience how to move forward. How? I think it's kind of clear what we do. I mean, first and foremost, we're talking about Jesus right now because it matters. And so getting going to church, being active in your church. But also, for me, I found everything happening here

very inspirational. I had been feeling a little tired in my work. We've been doing so much to battle corporate media and the left and even weak Republicans. And when this happened, it just made me realize the importance of what we're doing. It gave me courage to keep going. Everyone can keep doing that, whether it's in your personal conversations or in your work. Yeah. Michelle says, Thank you for playing the gratitude clip. We sang that song the Sunday before Charlie was assassinated, and that song carried me through that week. I am in tears again.

Love you, team. Well, thank you, Michelle. We love you, too. We have an amazing audience. If you want to chime in and be a part of the show, Freedom at Charliekirk.com, just send us an email. We're going to be checking them as the show goes on in Charlie's honor.

Charlie's the one that taught us to do that, and he would often debate you guys in the middle of the show he'd just be sitting here even while we play a clip charlie would just be you know sending off emails uh was an amazing multitasker incredible incredible i'm still learning i'm checking the emails here too but i'm i'm too wordy with my responses yeah i know it's because charlie go yes i'll respond to run and then i'm i see oh there's a thousand more left this is not efficient yeah no it's great but we do actually see them all it's like actually a a thing somebody on our team is looking at your emails and um and so that's in charley's honor we will we will commit

to that. Blake, you got an email? I want to read one that I saw in the Freedom account last night that I thought was very good. It's from Colleen Floyd. She says, I will soon be 81 years old. I've been to Billy Graham Crusades. I follow R.G. Lee, Charles Stanley, Chuck Swindle, David Jeremiah, ever since I was 27 years old, I thought I'd followed the best of those called to deliver the gospel, and I think I have. But I spent time in Proverbs this week and in reading, especially chapters two through four, I found myself unable to divorce my thoughts from how completely Charlie's life portrayed the wisdom described there. What a stellar example of a truly wise man he was. If there was ever a top 10 or a top five of the most productive, inspiring godly men I followed, Charlie would be

at the top. And for his age, I believe he was the most impactful, especially with youth. I pray for the next Charlie, if ever there can be one, who will wave the banner of Christ in such an incredibly profound way as his life and words and examples did. I followed Charlie on YouTube for years, but still feel cheated that I didn't subscribe and listen daily as he grew and the ministry grew with him. What a gift he was to us, to our culture, to our future hope. I only hope that his life and testimony continue to bring young and old to Christ and into the culture he dreamed of reestablishing for next generations as they marry, bear and rear children to live for Christ. I truly believe he has and will continue to take thousands to heaven with him and that he will make it as crowded

as he devoted his life to make it. Thank you TPS, Turning Point staff, Charlie's friends, and especially Erica and their children. You all gave him to us. Thank you, Colleen. That was an amazing email. Beautifully said. Beautifully said. By the way, I would be remiss if I didn't also mention that Erica has access to the Freedom email. So Freedom at Charlie Kirk.com. She's reading them all the as well. So please keep sending them. And you guys get emails. We do. Molly and I get very different kinds of emails. We'll be talking through the day and Molly will say, oh, can I read you the best email I've gotten? Dear Molly, you're wonderful and beautiful. You're such a shining light on a hill. And I'm like, oh, that's wonderful, Molly. My inbox looks very different. Dear Sean,

you should die. That's like 95% of them. And then Molly's like, Sean, I don't know why you don't, you know, respond to feedback more in your email. I'm like, well, Molly, I don't really know how to respond to that. Just know? Well, I love that during the memorial when you talked about how he read every email, responded to many of them. You would argue with people in the middle of the show. But I love reading my email from viewers, listeners, readers because it gives me insight into how people. So I have to live in Washington, D.C.

You all are blessed not to live in Washington, D.C. and the environment there is just so there's so much group think and they hate what I'm saying I love getting feedback from people because you get like really thoughtful responses usually cookie crumbled kind of differently for me over here really thoughtful pounds end except worse yeah exactly you you have your fans too yeah I mean Sean you you have a if you don't follow Sean's uh X account you're missing out. It's pretty subdued and very mild, meek and mild. I'm trying to be less subtle and nuanced. It's one thing I'm working on this year. Sean lets it fly. And I think that's a

really good lead up to, I think the next story we're going to get to. Well, the first story we're going to get to. And thus begins the news of the day portion of this show. Jay Jones is running for attorney general in Virginia and his texts have leaked where he's threatening or we're not threatening he's sort of fantasizing fetishizing the murder of his political opponents happened to after after one of them spoke at a funeral for a Democrat and gave a positive eulogy that's what set him off and he's he went volcanic actually they should die well not only that but the kids the kids so this person's kids so um Blake why don't you prep you're gonna you let's give us we're going to have you give the audience the the play by play on how this happened

and what what we're dealing with here but as of right now in a shocking development somehow the only sane person of the left to say that he should maybe withdraw or be forced to withdraw is Joe Scarborough this is what it's come to in 2025 that that I'm looking to Joe Scarborough to be the guiding light on the left. So we're really at a, we're really at the nadir of, of the, I don't know what you call this moment, but it's a, it's a bad thing. So at least Joe Scarborough is saying something sensible, I guess. In business, they say you can have better, cheaper, or faster, but you can only pick two. What if you could have all three at the same time? That's exactly what cohere, Thompson Reuters, and specialized by,

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is yeah yeah so this is uh all unfolding in virginia this is jones he's the democrat running for attorney general in virginia so chief law enforcement officer like the top of the state top cop top cop and so this is published by national review last week it's covering text messages from 2022 what had happened then was a moderate democrat had died and there had been a funeral for him and a republican who was also somewhat moderate had given, you know, a generally positive eulogy at a memorial or the funeral, something like that. And afterwards, Jones sends text messages, and he meant to send this to someone else, Mark. We don't know what Mark yet, I believe, where he's just basically saying, Barf, I'm so annoyed at this, you know, positive saccharine stuff. And he says, you know, if I die,

they'll say something gross about me. But then even though he realizes he's been sending this to the wrong person. And in fact, it's a Republican in the state legislature. He starts, he just starts going off. Let's put up 231. And so he says, three people, two bullets, Gilbert, that's the Republican he's mad at, Hitler and Paul Pot. Gilbert, if you have, you know, three people, two bullets, Gilbert gets two bullets to the head over Hitler and over Paul Pot. We do have these images. And yeah, 231. There it is. And he says, spoiler, put Gilbert in the crew with the two worst people you know and he receives both bullets every time

and the Republican replies Jay please stop and what's incredible about this is his reaction to this is not to stop or say sorry I meant this for someone else according to National Review what he proceeded to do was call this woman on the phone

and we don't have that conversation but according to someone familiar probably the woman herself he proceeds to berate her and you know push her and say no I really mean this stop being soft on the death question, and he apparently told her that a, let's

see, he wished violence on the children of a colleague and joked about shooting Todd Gilbert, and he hoped that Jennifer Gilbert's children would die. And then, after this call, he starts sending follow-up texts where he's still needling her on this

and saying, no, no, you don't get it. When children die, it's the only way that people will change their views on politics. So I actually said on X that I'm somewhat understanding if this was he was talking to a friend of his and said an extreme thing as a one-off. People say weird things in group texts. They say stuff they don't really mean because they're heated and it's private. But this is he sent a message to someone who didn't agree with it. They said, that's gross.

You shouldn't say that. And he calls them to harangue them for not agreeing this, for being soft on the death of your opponent's children question. And repeatedly did this. we have more let's put up a 232 he sent additional messages where he said I've told you this before only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy

and then 233 I mean do I think Todd and Jennifer are evil and that they're breeding little fascists yes said all of this so this is all come out now and what we've seen is Democrats are basically

saying too bad he's a democrat he should still stay in the race and we should vote for him 234 is a really important yeah 234 this is the virginia beach democrats that is the largest city in virginia where they say that they're still supporting jones despite recent press spotlighting past mistakes now for comparison because this is relevant this guy j jones publicly called for the resignation of a norfolk police department officer because he donated money to kyle rittenhouse's defense fund in 2020 so donating to support someone who was acquitted after he was attacked by self-defense

yeah in self-defense after being attacked by a literal sex predator in the streets of Kenosha a whole mob but yeah a whole mob but specifically the one he shot and should be fired for donating to that defense but this guy directly repeatedly emphatically fantasizes about the violent death of his opponent's children well so Molly and Sean have any

Democrats disavowed this guy or denounced him called for his withdrawal from the race? Well, I actually did a lot of research this morning when we were prepping for the show and I put together a list and I've got it here in my notebook here. So this is the Michael Knowles book. This is the full list of every

elected Democrat who has denounced Jay Jones's wishing death upon children. We digitally zoom in on that? Yeah, yeah. I've got really small handwriting, yeah. Sometimes it can be hard to see. Yeah, not one. Not one person. Joe Scarborough on SNBC, I think is the only public

Democrat, no actual elective one. Just to give him some flowers for actually being like a little bit sane here, which is... What does that say when Joe Scarborough is your moral North Star? You know, I think after the

election, Joe actually tried to say, hey, we need to wake up a little bit. I saw some clips at least. Andrew, Sean always tells me I'm too nice, and I want to say that to you right now. You are way too nice. Well, I just listen, I'm feeling warm feelings that, like, okay, I'm not going to create. Like, you should get out of this race, Jay Jones.

You should. And at least one person, I'm looking for somebody here. You know, it's like Joe, John Fetterman sometimes makes me go like, oh, like, good for him, even though he doesn't pose the right way. It's actually the opposite. So that letter you showed from the Virginia Beach Democrats, eight other Democrat committees in Virginia have signed on to that letter. That letter says, by the way, who among us has. not done something similar and I'm thinking among us has not called somebody I've never called for the assassination of my political opponents or wished death on their children ever I mean it wouldn't even

occurred to me but I think they're telling on themselves there when they say this the reason why everyone's standing behind him and doing so vociferously is because I think we're seeing a party that has kind of fallen into support for left wing violence the thing you mentioned Blake about him going after that police lieutenant who I think lost his career by the way for that $25 donation to Kyle Rittenhouse is that it's all in the same package as the support for BLM riots. It's about the breakdown of law and order. It's about using power to go after your political opponents and do so violently. And it's kind of breaking out into the open.

It's related to what we saw after the assassination was the response to the assassination was almost more horrifying in some ways, realizing that there were so many people who supported this level of political of violence against people like me and my children. Well, I mean, that's really sick because, yeah, you guys are, and you're in the D.C. Swamp, so you see this, I mean, what bothered me, I'll never forget the most, was where there was a shouting match on the floor of Congress over a moment of silence and a word of prayer. And, you know, Ilhan Omar and AOC are getting in there. I mean, I could not believe it. And God bless Anapolina Luna for standing up for Charlie. But I just, I was like, can we not have have unanimity about political violence. Are we really at that point as a country where some people are like, well, you know, punch a Nazi, it's really taken to the next level, especially in the aftermath of what happened to Charlie. You would think that that would be like an aha moment. And instead, it's, for some people, it's the exact opposite.

Have you seen those yard signs that people have in their houses that say, in this house, we believe, like, sciences for real and whatever? I saw someone say that the sign should now say In this house we believe Gilbert gets two bullets to the head He receives both bullets every time Yes I hope his kids die Only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy Republicans are evil

Their children are little fascists Those are all quotes from the guy This is the movement by the way You can see the sign right here Keep in mind Keep in mind this is the original version of the sign says Kindness is everything Right

there's another tweet from about a year ago that says you know when I say like I hate libs I mean I disagree with them but I would save them in a flood and when they say kindness is everything they mean they want to kill my entire family yeah it's it is much as the left loves masks and loves wearing masks part of their religion kind of shocking to watch them use Charlie's death is their ultimate mask off moment where they're just decided we're going to let everyone see our true nature here in my mom all he's right that what was so disturbing is it wasn't just that they were okay with him being killed they were not just signaling but just outright admitting yeah we'd kind of be fine if all of you people got killed too like it was and your families and your dogs i want to throw up this uh this this this image 265 it still horrifies me because this poll was taken september 12th through 15 so we're within five days of charlie being assassinated and what you see here here is the younger you are and the more progressive you are, the more that you are willing to agree with this statement that violence is justified, you know, in order to achieve a political

goal. You see that big outlier on the left. And even candidly, 40 to 59 year old progressives are like wildly violent. You don't get into some sort of range of normal, I guess, you know, zero should be the answer. It should be the answer. But you don't get into some range of normal until you're 60 plus is a progressive apparently. But that terrifying node on that graph should send chills down your spine. Okay, so I remember like 20 years ago you started seeing polls showing the campus, you would poll campuses and they would say, we don't support free speech anymore.

And I would always talk with these people in Washington, D.C., and they say, oh, don't worry about it. When they get older, that's just the campus, you know, radicals and activism. When they get out in the real world, then it will be much better. And instead, what happened is those people got out of school and they started incorporating these ideas into corporations, which are involved in horrific censorship, in these cultures at corporations that are very hostile to free expression and debate. And it's just been a very bad situation. I'm not shocked to see this go this way because that's what happens with censorship. Yeah, it starts with censorship.

It moves to destruction of statues and it always ends with the murder of people every time. That's why you have to fight the censorship. John, we've never tried communism before. Never, not the right way. True communism has never been tried. And by the way, Charlie used to always say, he said, what happens on campus doesn't stay on campus. It goes to corporations, boardrooms in the halls of Congress. And man.

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You can find out more about Pastor Allen and the ministry at Alanjaxon.com forward slash Charlie. So we got this email from Deb. She says, thanks so much for making this show, this known across the country. Not only does he support murder. talking about J. Jones of children outright. He also supports, like Spanberger, abortion of live births and defunding the police. You may not know, but he was also recently convicted of driving 160 mile per hour in a 70 mile per hour zone in the Hampton Roads area. His community service was volunteering for his own pack and only for half of the required hours. I did hear

about that part. I didn't hear that it was about going 116 and a 70. I did hear about that he he spent like half of his community service hours volunteering for his own pack which is like wow really dumb yeah so he has a mandatory one year so sorry we were talking in the break yeah that can we fact yeah so jones in addition to you know wanting to murder a ton of people and fire cops who donate to innocent people uh he was busted for reckless driving in 2022 maybe he was texting while driving and he was going apparently 116 miles an hour down the interstate that is who among us very fast who among us who Among us. He got arrested for reckless driving. That has a mandatory one-year jail sentence in Virginia, but he struck a plea deal of $1,000 of community service and a $1,500 fine. And then to avoid doing any real community service, he did 500 hours of community service at his own pack,

which I guess you're allowed to do in Virginia. Hmm. That's, I mean, this guy's just like, the more you know, the more you hate him. But again, the first thing you said, Blake, he's running to be the top law enforcement official in the Commonwealth of Virginia. He's an expert on. And he's calling for the killing of kids. He's reckless driving. He's, you know, embezzling his community service into his pack.

I mean, and by the way, Virginia is a pretty blue state. So he has a very good chance of winning. This is the insane part of it. We're getting, we are getting emails about that, you know, if there's any obviously get out the vote stuff we can do. We'll definitely keep an eye on this. Yeah, on the get out the vote stuff. Let me, I'm going to, I actually have been thinking that we're going to talk with our turning point action team after the show today and see what we can do because it's important. So, Molly, Sean, I feel like Democrats are just sort of anti-rule of law.

And I want to, and this is something we've known for a long time, but it's being exposed and like deeper and deeper. It's not just a meme anymore. It's not just like a one-liner. It truly is starting to feel like if the country falls into their hands again that I don't even want to think about it. I saw your eyes instantly. It's really a scary thought because there's one side that still believes in rules and norms and customs and laws. And there's another side that just seems to be throwing out all these rules, although they will accuse us of the same, which is hilarious. But your thought, like, is there any sanity left in this party or what do we do to get them back to sanity?

I really think that the era that we saw post the first Trump presidency where the left used lawfare to go after political opponents, try to keep. Trump and other Republicans from being on the ballot, trying to throw them in prison, bankrupt them, go after their family, go after anyone who supported them. That went on with pretty much no resistance, not just no resistance from corporate media, but also not much resistance from the right. I mean, normal people were horrified by it. It's a big reason why Trump won again when he ran again in 2024. But it put us on a very bad path. And you don't hear people really dealing with that or how you know even the rush collusion hoax that began in 2016 was a way of using our justice system to go after political opponents it's always kind of been there you know human nature being what it is it's always been there and you've had to fight against it it just broke out completely into the open with no guardrails from anybody on the left that i can see oh yeah i mean if they get power again we're all going to gulags like there there will be there will be gulogs we will be some of the first people there um it They're not even bashful about saying what they believe when they will go out and praise the murder of someone.

I mean, there were public universities, taxpayer-funded universities that were allowing people using taxpayer funds to praise Charlie's murderer. So when people will openly go out and be like, yeah, I'm glad that person I disliked is dead. They're letting you know there's no limit to what they will do to take power. It's demonic. hurt me to be like you know it's like you know and then they're trying to compare it to George Floyd right and I remember thinking like listen I'm no fan I don't like what happened in the aftermath but there is not a shred an ounce in my person that isn't sad that he is dead you know I mean like I am sad that that incident took his life I will disagree on a lot of

things around it. But to imagine, you know, finding joy in somebody parting this life prematurely in any way, shape, or form is just, unless it's the state and death penalty, sure. But like, I mean, it's just such a nasty, nasty, ghoulish, like, vile thing to do. And yet they were, they've lost all sense of decency that they were doing it in the open. They were putting it on social media, as if, as if, like, they were going to get praised for it. I do think this is an area where people on the right are through their naivete or lack of imagination aren't dealing with all these loud signs that are happening everywhere. My algorithm is different than their algorithm. But yeah, I'm but I'm just saying they're being kind of open about their support for violence.

The New York Times is open about it. The Atlantic is open about it. The Democrats in Virginia are very open about it. And I think people on the right, because we aren't people who seek the death of our political opponents, we're kind of like, what do you think they're saying here? Well, they're They're saying it pretty loudly. I don't know exactly what the right response to this is, but I think it's definitely incumbent upon people to take it very seriously. The struggle that we have kind of being in like the political commentary DC news space is that there's still a lot of dinosaurs on the right who think we'll win through the power of our ideas. That's all we have to do.

Yeah. Well, I mean, listen, I don't think we're like naive here. I really don't. But it's still so shocking that it's even worse. I mean, we knew they were coming from it. Charlie predicted he was going to be in the gulags if Trump didn't win. But it's just one of those amazing things. And now they're trying, it's funny. I've seen this comms director for Gavin Newsom. So this judge, I guess, what is it, South Carolina or something, the house catches on fire. And I don't have the judge's name. I don't know if you know the name of the judge. But then this Izzy Garden guy, throw this clip up, if you can, this image up, is basically saying a few weeks ago, one of Trump's top DOJ officials public, publicly targeted this judge. Today, the judge's home is on fire, basically trying to take the fact that we're all complaining about political violence targeting conservatives and both sidesing it. A couple of things here, first of all. I mean, the house, by the way, didn't just

burn down. It exploded. It was very bad. There is an arson investigation, but also could be a gas line explosion. Like nobody knows anything right now. But nobody, even if they're very upset with left-wing judges completely not following the law of the land. and having the in trying to do some kind of judicial coup nobody seeks the death of these people of course and by the way political disagreement is fine it's it's fomenting violence which is not fine all right blake you were you were commenting on yeah well we we hit that they were complaining about a saying oh conservatives targeted this judge let's just read uh the harmit dillon tweet that they say was targeting inciting violence and it was in response to a state judge issued ruling and then harmeet dillon says the Justice Department's civil rights will not stand for basically her department. We will not stand for a state court judge's hasty nullification of our federal voting laws. I will not allow, I will allow nothing to stand in the way of our mandate to maintain clean voter rolls. One citizen, one vote, and then an eyebrow raised emoji.

That's it. That's what Harmeet Dillon said. I don't like this ruling. I won't stand for it. We should have one citizen, one vote. she's basically just saying we are going to appeal or this ruling is bad and they're framing this as equal to things like you know the democrat ag nominee in virginia saying you know two bullets for this republican including if you know between hitler and paupot this guy just totally conflates the two conflates normal political discourse which is americ it's the american way with fomenting political violence which is what j jones is doing or you know all the people that were reveling in in Charlie's death. So it's really offensive in a thousand different ways,

but I guess I shouldn't expect anything different from Gavin Newsom's, you know, head of comms here. Go ahead, Molly. This is also happening in a time when you're seeing a lot of attacks on judges. I mean, by the way, left and right, judges get attacked. Mobsters go after them, you know, drug cartel leaders, but also politically. And I hope we get to this later on. Do it right now.

I mean, we can go absolutely. I mean, because we've, you know, Chuck Schumer called for violence against Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch from the steps of the Supreme Court, and people have taken him up on it. And he's never apologized. So saying like, I disagree with this judge's decision. That's as American as apple pie, saying the whirlwind's going to come and get you and there's nothing you can do about it. And then people are actually trying to kill Justice Kavanaugh and his family. And we just saw that there was a bomb threat or a Molotov cocktail outside the red mass, which is a mass for the. the Roman Catholic Supreme Court justices before the start of their term. That just happened yesterday. And so this is very different than... Well, and by the way, so, and to bring people up to speed on this, this would-be assassin of Brett Kavanaugh's got this extraordinarily lenient sentence. And the rationalization by the judge is that because this person was struggling with their trans identity.

It was even worse than that. It was that through this transgender switch, the would-be killer and the family had become closer. And so the judge was heartened by that. Like, normally you would hear... This just helped them heal as a family or something. Yeah, normally you would hear like, oh, well, the person was clearly repentant and they were sorry and they're not going to do it again. I don't think that's a particularly good reason. But this reason to let someone out who's going to be out to kill again while Kavanaugh is still on the court is utterly insane.

I am heartened that this terrible infraction has helped the Roski family accept their daughter for who she is. Oh my goodness. Judge Boardman says. This is when you talk about it being a cult. You talk about it being this, you know, we are, we are, what is it?

Sacralizing this insanity. And you obviously have an adherent in this judge. I want to give a shout out to Luke Roziak's writing on it for The Daily Wire. He covered it. And I think he was in the courtroom when this happened. And he has this amazing line, as his mother wept, Nicholas Roski also choked up

his Adam's apple bobbing up and down because of course that's a larger Adams apple is a sign that you are a man and it's kind of one of the tells if you see male to females they'll still have the prominent Adams apple It needs to be noted that this judge through this light sentencing I mean she gave this man

who's the daughter with the Adams apple this man, she gave him the sentence that he sought instead of the 30 years that the Department of Justice sought. And one of the reasons why you take a really high standard for assassination attempts is deterrence.

And so with this eight years slap on the wrist for this guy who tried to kill Justice Kavanaugh and his entire family and made it outside his house thanks to maps posted by left-wing organizations who sought this kind of outcome. Conflict at the people at the justice's

house. she's greenlighting it for the future saying if you come before my court and you have tried to kill one of the Republican appointed justices you will get a slap on the wrist especially if you're trans and when you compare that to what

so when there was the riot at the Capitol on January 6th that was the largest DOJ going after those people some of those people got many times more than this guy who tried to kill Justice Kavanaugh to completely change a ruling

because again the left was freaking out and basically asking someone to do this. That's another line that stands out in this. So a lot of people have pointed out, we have these dark incentives in American politics because Supreme Court justices serve for life. They have no term limits. And also, you know, they're just basically replaced at the appointment of somebody. And so there's this dark incentive, as it was during the Biden administration, when this attempted assassination happened, it was summer 2022. That was you had a Republican, Trump appointed justice on the court and you had a Democrat president with the Democrat Senate so they could have confirmed a replacement. That creates this very sinister incentive to do political violence because there is a

direct immediate gain that Democrats could make for decades if someone kills this Republican appointed justice. And Nicholas Roski said that. Yes. And in the hearing, the lawyer for I believe a Oh, it was So the Roski's lawyer Is it Roske or Roski? Rossi. His lawyer said What makes this case unique is not that

Miss Roskei tried to kill a political figure It's that she stopped and turned herself in And the judge, Judge Boardman interjects Judges are not political. There's no political dimension to this case whatsoever. How dare you suggest such a thing? Well, the other horrifying aspect of this was what was happening before that.

So you had a completely unprecedented leak of the Dobbs decision, which was overturning Roe v. Wade. And it was done, obviously, to create an environment where maybe a justices vote would be changed, intimidated into changing, or maybe they were just going to eliminate a judge to get it to where they couldn't overturn it. There are laws on the federal books about effectively using terrorism or the threat of violence in front of judges' homes in order to get them to change their votes. and what did the Biden DOJ do at the time? They did literally nothing. They did absolutely nothing. They let these violent protests continue. They allowed them to fester and metastasize. So everything that happened was not some sort of chance of fate. It wasn't an accident. And I'm not supporting these types of protests and activities outside anybody's house. But judges and justices are not politicians. So as bad as it would be to go after a member of Congress or senator or something like that, these are judges. They are supposed to be completely able to make decisions without threats of violence. You're right that the law does provide ways that the Department of Justice could have gone after them. Merrick Garland notably stood down. But didn't when Biden had some of his officials getting protested, they got out there right away and helped out.

Yeah. So U.S. Marshals were discouraged from arresting left-wing protesters, illegally harassing Scottish justices outside their homes. Thank you, Democrats. And I mean, these again, these are people who don't make a time. of money. These are people who've chosen a life of public service where they could be making much more if they were a partner in a law firm. They live in normal neighborhoods. Again, left-wing groups posted their addresses so that people could go protest them. And I mean,

it's just- No, and so it's interesting how much this, and by the way, I do want to give a quick little, we have your book. You actually wrote the book on this. This is a New York Times bestseller, Justice on Trial, the Kavanaugh confirmation in the future of the Supreme Court. And really an important book because it actually was weirdly a precursor to what we're experiencing now and how they ginned up all this outrage and everybody got all worked into a lather and then guess what somebody tries to kill somebody and yeah go ahead well i have a new book coming out too in april on justice alito but it gets into this how many of these justices who were the were the votes for the stob's decision what they have faced from the left and attempts to really

hurt them and their families. And, you know, it just has such longstanding effects when you say, if you become a justice who rules according to the rule of law, you'll never, you'll never sleep a peaceful night again. Who else is going to want to become a justice to withstand that kind of thing? Well, exactly. And that's why we're so lucky that President Trump, who's pushed through so much of the intimidation taxi. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.