The Charlie Kirk Show - Thomas Massie: Hero or Villain?

Episode Date: May 18, 2026

Thomas Massie is facing a primary challenge on Tuesday, and President Trump has made it clear he wants the congressman gone.  But what does the rest of MAGA world think, and how would Charlie handle the rift between the two? Andrew and Blake discuss this big question with Alex Marlow, and also cover unfortunate new developments in the Luigi Mangione case. Eric Metaxas talks about rededicating America to God on its 250th anniversary, and how the press egregiously misinterpreted a recent joke he made about the White House ballroom. Eli Steele explores the real source of racial strike if America.   Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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morning. We've got Eric Metaxis, who was at the Rededicate 250 at the half hour. Then we've got Alex Marlowe from Breitbart. We're going to talk politics and primaries and all that stuff. We got Massey. We got Cassidy. Lots going on there. And then Eli Steele, the son of the great Shelby Steele, talking about race relations. What's really behind all of our dysfunction? So a pack show. We've got some Iran news to get to, of course, repeatedly. But Luigi Mangione is back in the news this morning. Obviously, that's a topic that strikes near and dear to our heart here on the Charlie Kirk show. Luigi Mangione, in a big way, contributed to this rise of assassination culture.

It's something that Charlie was very worried about. And just this morning, Judge Caro, who's overseeing the state case here, has ruled that the backpack that was next to Luigi Mangione, in the McDonald's where he was arrested. So he's sitting at a table. There's a backpack either on a table adjacent to him or on the floor. And it has been ruled that the contents of that backpack are inadmissible. That includes his cell phone. Yes.

His cell phone, his passport, is it a gun magazine? Yes, a bullet magazine. Bullet magazine wallet and computer chip. Computer chip. I'm not sure what the computer chip is. here. Let's go ahead and play that scene from inside the courtroom. SOT 13. I find that the search of the backpack at the McDonald's was improper warrantless search, that the backpack was not within the immediate control or grabable area of the defendant,

and further, the people failed to demonstrate exigent circumstances. Therefore, those items found in the backpack during the search at the McDonald's will be suppressed. However, the people have established that the subsequent search of the backpack at the station was a valid inventory search, and therefore the items recovered at the station will not be suppressed. All right. So the items recovered at the station include the gun, which is key, obviously, here. But just to go into this rule, because I had to look it up when this ruling came through, no, it is typically not illegal. to search a suspect's backpack when they have been apprehended under the search incident to a lawful arrest exception to the Fourth Amendment, meaning that for the officer safety, if the backpack is in or around the person that's been arrested, the suspect in this case, then the immediate association

with the suspect that's been lawfully apprehended is then fair game. They should be able to search that. there is, however, some exceptions. So if the suspect is in the car, in like the police car, in the back, he's handcuffed, and they haven't searched the backpack yet, they may need to get a warrant for that. So this looks to be basically a gray area. My question for this judge would be, what was to say that there wasn't a bomb inside that backpack? Yeah, it's very strange. You could hear it in the clip where he's saying essentially the backpack was basically it sounds like too far away from Luigi when they detained him.

What's the distance? That if he were holding the backpack, they could have searched it. But I guess it was maybe on the other side of the table or the cops could get between him. It sounds very, very ticky tack either way. This is very tickey tack. So just so you know the idea of a backpack or a possession being in the immediate association or vicinity of a suspect, this includes clothing, wallets, purses, and backpacks that the person is wearing, carrying, or had in their immediate possession. The justification is officer.

safety. Are there any weapons and preserving evidence? So if the backpack is separated from the suspect as the suspect is being secure, handcuffed into patrol car under control with no realistic access, some courts like the Fourth Circuit have provided the reasoning that may require a warrant or other justification, treating it more like a container as opposed to part of the person. So that's obviously what the judge has ruled here, apparently body cam footage was used in this hearing to come to this ruling. Very, very frustrating, though, because obviously they had probable cause.

They checked his ID. They arrested him at the McDonald's. The backpack was on the floor or on the table. So two questions then immediately come to mind. What is the distance away from the suspect that it all of a sudden becomes a warranted search? And by the way, again, what if there was a bomb and the backpack. This feels absolutely like the judge is sympathetic to Luigi Maggione, a cold-blooded murderer, an assassin. Well, so, okay, on the flip side, we should emphasize, you see two different

headlines, and it kind of shows, I think, different perspectives of media outlets, because some, Fox certainly, they're leading with all of this evidence is getting suppressed. It's a big win, but other publications are emphasizing they are allowed to use his gun, and they are allowed to use his diary and I suspect that means they're allowed to use his manifesto which is 260 pages are words approximately saying basically he's motivated by how angry he is about the health care system and that's pretty strong evidence overall so I think we can be hopeful there's still a lot here what I will say is the uneasy feeling I've had you've had I think a lot of people have had is it seems like every couple months we get a new development and it's always away from what we want so

first they're going to seek the death penalty with him now they can't seek the death penalty for whatever reason and now they're suppressing some evidence maybe next time other evidence is going to get suppressed it's always one little development after another in favor of this guy who we should remind everyone heinously murdered it seems a stranger in cold blood a father because he was angry about the industry the man worked in which the man did not create the man did not really perpetuate he was just a CEO of a health insurance company. And by the way, guys, I'll have you know, health insurance is not the reason U.S. health care is expensive. No. Well, this is the thing. So Big Pharma is watching this whole show trial go on and they're overjoyed, right? That was an observation that Walter Kern made and I agree with it. And basically, it's a giant distraction from the fact that this man is a cold-blooded killer who is sparking this rise in assassination culture. We'll let Charlie take it away here. SOT 16. Look, you've got two options. You can go MAGA or Mangionism. You can go MAGA or you can go Mamdaniism. You can go MAGA or you can go Mohammedism. It's very funny how all the M's, MAGA is the only option on the right. Neoconservators are not coming back. The corporate oligarchs were not going to let him. So MAGA has cemented the worldview of the American right. But the left, we don't know. It could go Maggioni, which is the most extreme. You could go Mamdani, which is very, very extreme. Or you go Mohammedi.

Muhammadism, which is just Muslim Islamic takeover. You get reform or you get revolution. We have Maga want to reform stuff. Political undercurrent underneath Maggioni that cannot be ignored. That should not be dismissed. And that political reality is that is on the American left. 100% right. All right.

So I want to get into Iran updates here. It's very important. Okay. So President Trump issued a couple new. truce over the weekend. It felt like the rhetoric is ramping up once more because the back and forth seems to be with Iran via the Pakistanis impossible to reach a deal. Their whole strategy does seem to be waiting out the clock. So go ahead and throw up this truth. It says for Iran, the clock is ticking and they better get moving fast or there won't be anything left of them. Time is of the essence,

President DJT. Now this is in reaction to again, negotiations that are ongoing that seem to be netting approximately zero. Now, over the weekend, we did hear reports that fuel shortages within Iran are starting to accumulate. This was from an Israeli source to Fox News saying they're seeing lines at the gas pump. They are running out of energy, which is ironic. They're having to start plugging some of their wells, which, if you know anything about oil extraction, once you plug those wells, you might not be able to, open them ever again. They've run out of storage. They're finding anything they can to store this.

The economy's in free fall. Inflations off the charts. And it doesn't seem to matter to these guys. They are simply playing the long game. They are basically pointing to the fact that America has a short amount of patience for this war and that President Trump is incurring political costs. So they're going to wait it out. It's, I mean, it's in a lot of ways, it's, it's that dynamic where they might be vastly weaker, but they also care vastly more. There was a line, Ho Chi Min, who was the leader of North Vietnam, and supposedly he had a line that says, you can kill 100 of my guys for every one I kill of yours,

but still, I am going to win and you're going to lose, because I am just that much more fanatical about it. And so, yeah, their economy is vastly worse than ours. They've taken vastly more losses than us, but they're thought, I mean, they're not a democracy. They don't have to worry about a midterm election. They don't have to worry about a Congress getting in the way. They can just say, we'll make our country suffer as much as it takes to drag this out.

Yeah. And here's the thing. At some point, there's really only two options left on the table. Either you decide to hit them hard again militarily, and you start taking out additional targets, and you accelerate the kinetic activity in the region. you break the peacefire and you make them cry uncle that way or at least attempt to i'm not sure you can as essentially where we're at militarily but that would be one way you know china has said that they were going to stop supplying uh anything to iran based on that last meeting with uh president

she and president trump however they'll say a lot of things publicly whether they'll follow through on anything we're we're still struggling to get china to follow through buying our soybeans for good to six. So that's a whole question. They said they were going to buy 500 Boeing planes. They've only bought 200. So on and so forth. This is the way that the Chinese work. So getting them to follow through with anything, we're also seeing reports that there is actual caravans going overland to get the sea blockade through about a dozen different countries from China over to Iran. So we know that they're still supplying them with something, right? The regime is desperate. They'll use other means. caravans have been ramping up.

All right. So the question then is, can you simply declare victory, say, hey, we got what we could. We tried our best. We destroyed their military installations. We destroyed their nuclear capacity. Yeah, we'd love to have the nuclear dust. We'd love to have all the uranium out of there. Even President Trump said they basically, it would be very difficult for them to get that out.

It would take a very, very long time. It's a question of whether or not they could get the nuclear dust out or not. but he said I would feel better getting it. Okay. Well, you would feel better, but it's not necessarily a must have, maybe. All right. So can you just declare victory and get out? Can we just say, hey, listen, it's up to the Iranian people now.

We declare victory. Everything is copacetic as far as we're concerned. We did a good thing. We're out. If you push us again, we'll be back, but don't push us. Well, the downside there is Iran has also shown they're willing to push it a little bit. And if they say, okay, well, we're going to go back to putting a toll on the straits. We're still going to close the straight.

Yeah. Or you just, I guess option three would be status quo. You just keep the blockade up. But I'm telling you that the economic impact of that, a toll on a huge container of oil is one thing. Yeah, it drives up the price a little bit, maybe like a dollar a barrel. But could you absorb it globally? Probably, right? So it's not ideal.

But even the Chinese don't want that. my point is, could you, domestically, and here's the concern, if the audience is wondering why I'm concerned, domestically, this is having political ramifications. I am thinking about the midterms, and we want to win the midterms. There is a very good chance based on redistricting, based on the Supreme Court decision, that we would be closer in the midterms than we thought, even with all the political headwinds, even given the economic, or sorry, the historic precedent of, you know, you usually lose seats during a midterm race when you're the incumbent power. So the question is, can we, when you got essentially what's left, like depending on

whose math you're using 11 to 14 toss-up seats, can you win half of those? Can you do that and retain control of the House? These are really, really important questions for the next two years of the Trump administration. Can you avoid impeachments? Can you avoid the House getting bogged down in constant investigations, chasing the tail? mainstream news media, legacy media going crazy with every new thing that they come out, that TAMU Obama comes out with. Can we avoid that fate?

And I believe that a big chunk of that is what is the price of the pump? What is going on in Iran? Desperately, I am one of those people that I want to see this wrapped up sooner than later. We said at the outset that this was not something that the base had voted for, but if it ended in a few weeks, even if they were annoyed, they would get over it. But now those several weeks have passed. We're two and a half months into it at this point. And if this is still going to the midterms or when the midterms arrive,

we should just be frank. I think it will be very bad for the party. All right. If you are like me, you are looking at summer thinking about all the fun stuff that you want to do, ensuring that your family and you have many, many rich memories and ensuring that everything that you've built is protected. I don't know if you've got like a road trip. trip coming up or a vacation, some beach place, whatever it is, you got to feel an urgency.

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Praise God. as you know, I'm in the swamp today. I'm in Washington. See, as I was here yesterday, I know you're going to talk about it. I'm laughing before we even begin. I mean, we could get to it. So, all right, let's just get to it. I mean, but there's so much good to talk about that this, this, the way that they parsed your joke is hilarious.

Okay. So, wait, first, let's just start. The press is bad. The press is bad. They screwed it up. Breaking news. let's talk about the serious part first all right let's do that get to the funny thing we'll it will never stop it's it's so funny and it will it will it will keep people listening because

you will not believe what what we're going to share but go ahead so ridiculous anyways i'm going to play first of all rededicate 250 this was an opportunity to rededicate our nation to prayer to god to worshiping the lord uh basically rearticulating what the founders believe believed, right? And what the founding of our nation was Christian. It was. And J.D. Vance did a great job. He gave a shout out to Charlie when he did it. And so I'll start there. Sot one. It was obvious to the founders that our faith was the ground upon which America stands. It was our very foundation as a people. And if this foundation were to crumble, so too would the very values that make us Americans. From our religious inheritance comes many of the virtues and institutions we

most cherish as a people. Our system of justice, our generosity to neighbors, our respect for conscience, and the moral discipline necessary for liberty itself. As my dear friend, the late great Charlie Kirk put it, all law reflects a morality. Neither law nor morality appears in a vacuum, but ultimately come from religion. And the morality and religion that formed the American consciousness were to see that. decidedly Christian, founded upon the principles and the divinity of Jesus Christ. Pretty well said there, Eric.

Yes. Listen, yesterday was an historic moment in the history of this nation. This was an epical moment. First of all, we have a president who declared on May 17th, we are going to rededicate the nation to God. nobody twisted his arm he didn't have to do that but he did it and yesterday which was may 17th we officially in many ways rededicated the nation to God this is a huge thing and as you know Andrew because I showed you my new book I mean because I have written a book on the revolution which is coming out in a couple of weeks I have done the research to see that there is is no way that America comes into being apart from the revolutionaries, these great men looking directly to God. But we've been living in a time where secularists have pushed that away,

pushed that away. We need to go back to the founding. We need to go back to how did we get to be a nation where we govern ourselves? It comes from looking directly to God. They didn't get this in the French Revolution, which is why it went sideways in 10 minutes and turns into a bloodbath. revolutionaries from John Adams on down, they understood we're going back to the Sinai covenant like the Israelites in the wilderness. We're going to govern ourselves because we look directly to God. And so yesterday was a great day on the National Mall. So many wonderful people were there. The president read from Second Chronicles, the famous passage. I mean, just an amazing moment in American history. And I believe as a result of what happened yesterday,

we're going to feel it because that's a real thing, really did this. And the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson says, we hereby, you know, it's like the government doesn't need to do this. But here we have the Speaker of the House saying this officially as a member of the United States government, we hereby rededicate the nation to the God of the Bible. It was a huge moment. And I was privileged to be one of the speakers. And I just, I can't say how happy I am that we did this.

I expect to see things are going to happen because we have officially turned to God in the way we did yesterday. Well, and that's so scriptural too, Eric, where we wait on the Lord, you know, with expectation of him doing something in our midst, of him acting and moving in our country, in our politics, in our families, right? And I totally agree with you that when we rededicate ourselves to the Lord, when we repent, when we cry out to him, that he will heal our land. that he will bring righteousness in ways that we haven't seen, maybe for a while. And I pray that that is so true. And when it's coming from the headship of the country, namely the political leaders that have been elected by we, the people, I do believe that there is a powerful exchange that happens in the spiritual realms. We are not in a war against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities.

Things move when we pray and we rededicate ourselves to the Lord. Well, the important thing I think to say is that this is historical, or I should say, we're being faithful to American history. This is not like a bunch of Christians got some crazy idea. By doing this, and I write about this in my new book Revolution, I didn't know this really until I did the research. It's not deniable that the men who rebelled against England and said, we're. we're going to take up arms to defend our rights. Our rights are given from God. They had a keen sense that this is what the Bible says.

And we're doing this because this is what God says to do. So it was not a secular revolution like the French Revolution. They themselves understood this. And I write about it because I think most Americans are a little bit, we've forgotten, how radically explicitly Christian the revolution, was. And now I have to be clear, this doesn't mean we impose our faith. And neither did George Washington or John Adams want to impose their faith. They believe in freedom of religion. So if you want to be an atheist, if you want to be a Muslim, or you don't want to believe in anything, or you want to be

they said the government's not going to force you. But where do we get this great idea of freedom of religion? We get it from the Bible. It comes out of the Reformation. Is that religion cannot be forced. We are not radical Muslims that are going to convert people by the sword. We are not radical atheists that will throw you in prison. We believe in religious liberty because we believe freedom comes out of the Bible. All the founders quoted Deuteronomy more than any other book. So it is everywhere in our founding. And what we're doing is we're going back to the beginnings. We're saying, you know, what makes America great again? We want to make America great again. What made America great in the first place. That is what made America great in the first place. Everybody needs to know that.

We can't be great again unless we know what made us great in the beginning. And I think of the 250th, the supercentennial year, this is the time for us to relearn what many of us, myself included, had forgotten or weren't so clear on. I mean, as you guys have been saying, it really is of existential importance. For real, Charlie loved that line, John Adams, that our Constitution was for a moral and religious people, and it was wholly inadequate to the government of any other. That's cited a lot just to say, oh, you know, this was a society founded on Christian belief and principle, and it requires that to work. But we often glide past that second part, that it's required for it to work. And I think about a lot of the stresses our system is under right now, where you especially have the left contemplating much more aggressive,

uh, reaches beyond what I think our constitution is supposed to have, where they're talking, let's just 100% pack the Supreme Court. let's create entire new states just to cling to power ourselves. Let's do mass amnesty for every illegal immigrant. And you can't help but think, okay, well, this is a political faction that has abandoned religion, loudly trumpets that it's abandoning religion. And as a result, they don't see merit to the endurance of this constitution. They don't see as much of a problem with burning down things that have lasted for 250 years. and been successful.

It's all blow it up now to get power right now. And I just think of what John Adams said. You know, it's a total, but we have to be clear, it is a betrayal of America. You can have a country, but it won't be the America that we've had for 250 years. If you don't understand the basics, if you don't understand that our rights come from God,

I was interviewed by National Public Radio a couple days ago about this, and they were like, did you know that Pete Higgs is going to speak and that he says that our rights come from God? And I was like, I don't think Pete Egg Seth came up with that concept. I think it's in, you know, it's in our founding documents. Like that's the whole nation is based on that. So the fact that you have major journalists that are unaware of this is a staggering drift away from the basics. But that's kind of where we are right now. It's almost unbelievable. And that's why yesterday was so important. And,

And, you know, but the left, they've forgotten everything. They've forgotten how to laugh. They've gotten how to rejoice, you know, like it's kind of sad in many ways. We'll get into that just a second. But one word here is that, you know, Charlie has that famous clip where he's talking about how all the 13 colonies had a statement of faith and even Maryland, which was Catholic, how the God has mentioned four times in the declaration. It ends in a prayer to the supreme ruler, right?

The ruler of the nations, which is Jesus Christ. I mean, it was so saturating the founding generation that it affected the way that they spoke, their turns of phrases, the way that they constructed the document itself, the declaration and the constitution. But people kind of miss the end where he says the reason we have a constitutional crisis today is because we have a Christian document and our people are less and less Christian and those becoming compatible. And that's the real takeaway. We need revival in this land if we are going to see a reconstitution. of the America that we've always known and loved. What's made it such a shiny city on a hill and a beacon of freedom for the world over. So we need people to reconnect with Jesus, to meet Jesus. We need a rededication. All right, Eric, we got to get into it. You said that the left can't take a joke anymore. They've lost their sense of humor, couldn't agree more. They are absolute shrills. They are hall monitors.

They are the fun police. I don't know what's gotten into them, but they're complete They're like puritanical secularist. It's the, it's the craziest thing. And they've, they've struck again. They've done it to you this weekend. This is one of the best ever. And they're writing hit pieces on you. The Daily Beast, Maga Pastor.

Are you even a pastor, Eric? I don't know. I'm not even a pastor. Okay, that's what I thought. Not that I'm aware of. Maga, they're so bad at the, like, Christian thing. They don't even know who pastors and who's not. Maga Pastor makes bonkers claim about Trump's ballroom.

Okay. Eric, I'm in a person. play the way they cut. By the way, on the left, like lefty Twitter, blue sky, you are famous today. Like, this thing is gone like nuclear. They're making, they made my book break into the top 100 on Amazon. There it is. And it's not coming out for two weeks. I love it. Put that book up on, put that book up on the, there it is. Everybody get your copy. Pre-order it today, Revolution. I saw Eric. We had breakfast in D.C. a couple weeks back. And I read like the first 10 pages. This thing's beautiful Eric it's so well written I want to say that you've gotten even better since Bonhofer

yeah that was the like international mega huge bestseller millions of copies whatever you're really good at this I mean as a historian Eric you are becoming so elite you're very kind this is this story is much more fun happy obviously than the Bonhofer story and it's unfortunately extremely important that every American know this story which is why I wrote the book. But I mean, yeah, so yesterday. Well, let me play the clips, Eric. I'm going to play the clips.

Yeah, you're also a show host yourself, so you can't help it. But I'm going to commendere it. This is the way they edited what you said. Right. Sop 15. It's hard to believe that it would take two centuries for the Lord to raise up a great man to bring that ballroom finally to stand where it needs to stand. It's extraordinary.

We only had to wait 200. years. So this is the way they edited. You're okay. And now I got the full because these people are liars. And if you did not know that they are liars yet, Eric, this would be case and point exhibit A. No joke.

No joke. Yeah. I mean, think about this, right? I'm invited to speak on the National Wall about something that to me is one of the most important things in the history of the world, which is God's hand in American history. And that's because I wrote the book. book on the revolution. They wanted me in my speech to focus on two times when God did something

miraculous. So I submit my speech. They put in the teleprompter. And I talk about the escape from across the East River, this incredible miracle in our history in 1776. And then a few months later, the crossing of Delaware, two miracles where we lean on God. We look to God. And God delivers us. And that's the whole story of America. And that was the point of my speech. But, but Eric, you make a lot of jokes when you speak publicly. If you've ever heard Eric speak, he's kind of weaving really serious stuff in the midst of like offhanded jokes. And this is what it was.

Here's the full, Eric. Here's the full. Stop four. It was 30 years after we won our independence. The British challenged us again in the war of 1812, burning parts of that city named after George Washington. you may be familiar with that city. They burned parts of the city, including the White House,

which at that time, if you can believe it, did not yet have a ballroom. Yes, it's hard to believe that it would take two centuries for the Lord to raise up a great man to bring that ballroom finally to stand where it needs to stand. It's extraordinary.

We only had to wait 200 years. It's perfect. There was laughs. Everybody was in on the joke except for the freaking shrill Democrats in the media. It's so funny. Andrew,

this is what's so hilarious is that the crowd instantly got the joke and left. Any fool listening to my speech up to that point knows this is just

a dumb joke meant to get a laugh, right? That, you know, and 200 years later, God raised up a man to create that ballroom as if that's God's

plan for America is the ballroom. Like I'm joking around. right okay so all my friends said oh that was a great line about the ball everybody gets a joke i then find out that david french who has trump derangement syndrome officially the doctors have confirmed it and others are on x freaking out that i seem according to them seriously said um god has raised up don't trump to create the ballroom like they believed this and they don't understand that i'm joking even though everybody knows this is a joke.

Then I read The Daily Beast has written an article about it. There was another major article about it. I can't even think I saw it. Huffington Post wrote an article about it and the Jerusalem Post mentioned this. Like everyone is freaking out not getting that it's a joke.

And you just think this is, on the one hand, the funniest thing ever because it's promoting my book. And the other thing is like, it's kind of sad that here's a moment of joking about the ballroom. They cannot get the joke. They are so enraged by President Trump that they have to attack.

It's almost unbelievable. It's almost unbelievable. Guess what? God has a sense of humor, and we're just going to assume that this means you're going to have a new New York Times bestseller on your hands here with the new book on the revolution. I mean, why not, Eric? Because, you know, that would be you getting the last laugh, okay? I will beg your audience to please pre-order the book. Put it up.

Put it up. There it is. Please. And in fact, I'll say this. We never did this before. If you pre-order it through my website, Ericmontaxis.com, we will send you a PDF. You could start reading the book immediately. No way.

I've never done that before because the book doesn't come out officially until June 2nd. It's a big, beautiful book, like the big beautiful ballroom, if I can say that. But you have to put it at Ericmataxis.com. Get the book, everybody. God bless you, Eric. God bless you and may God bless the United States of America. Thank you, my friend. We have a very nice treat in store for you, and that is Alex Marlowe, editor-in-chief of

Wright-Bart, and I check it every day multiple times, most of the time, multiple times. And he's also host to the Alex Marlowe show. Alex, welcome back. Always great to be back with you guys. Thanks for having me yet again. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you're one of our regulars, Alex. You can't get away from us. It's just going to be this is the way it is now.

Um, you know, a true story, by the way, I've, I have pulled the audience informally about which of our regulars they like and your name always comes up. So, uh, you're stuck with us, Alex. Love it. Love it. Love it. All right. Thank you. Listen, let's talk politics. Um, sure. You know, there's a lot going on. Namely, Senator Cassidy was just successfully primaried in Louisiana. Um, as a Senate. That's a huge people, like, I don't think most people realize what a big deal it is for a, sitting senator to be primary. Yeah, and just pretty bad, really badly because it wasn't even a full primary where he lost head to head with somebody. It was the first level primary. And so he got third place among the Republicans. Doesn't even make it to the runoff. So he, he knows months out that his time in the Senate is done. Yep. Julia Letlow pulled away with that one with 44.8% of the vote. and John Fleming will be her challenger with 28.3%. Bill Cassidy came in third, as Blake said, at 24.8, so a distant third, and be up against

Jamie Davis, it looks like, for the Democrats. So what do you make of this particular one? And then we're going to move on to Thomas Massey. Yeah, first of all, both of those candidates seem good. I think Trump and Doris Let Low, the other candidate we've done stuff with him, a lot of bright parts. So there's a huge improvement. and really awesome stuff to see this.

But it's so rare, and that's the shocking thing, is that we haven't seen this happen since 2012 with Richard Lugar getting primaried. And senators tend to just keep their spots in the primaries until they get unseeded by the other party. And that is just not how the country should work. And so it's really good where the voters actually hold people in power and just shows you money, external influences,

really do manipulate so many of our elections. But Cassidy was a bad guy. He was right out there front and center grandstanding against President Trump after all the J6 stuff. And it was such a loser move. And I'm glad that he got us come up and politically. And it's a great signal the base is sending to the establishment. If you're going to throw down against President Trump over nonsense mainstream media hocom of Jan 6th, then we're going to vote you out. And so it's fantastic.

I love it. Yeah. I mean, candidly, I mean, I haven't ever shared this. But I remember when Charlie was trying to get Secretary Kennedy through. the confirmation hearings. And Cassidy was, once again, a thorn in the side, didn't like some of Kennedy's stance on, you know, vaccines or whatever. I mean, I think Senator Cassidy is a doctor, right?

So he was much more in the establishment camp and was very nervous about that. And Charlie kind of swallowed his pride and reached out to him and said, hey, get on board with this. You know, if not, there's going to be huge problems for it. It turns out there was problems for him anyways. Obviously, it's not Charlie's fault or Turning Point's fault, but President Trump definitely took notice of that impeachment vote and wasn't going to let it go. I don't think anybody should be surprised by that. Next up is another race that President Trump has weighed in very heavily, and that is involving Thomas Massey in Kentucky. Now, it's become sort of a proxy fight on many things, on Epstein, on the Iran War, on Israel, foreign money.

What are you making of this? It seems to be a dead heat right now, Alex. If not, Massey might be a little bit behind depending on the poll, you see. Yeah, it's a dead heat. And it's one of these things where if you pull the Breitbart Newsroom, there's going to be a lot of people who are comfortable with Massey, and there's going to be some people who are not. I'm in the camp that would like to see him lose.

I think that he's built up his brand as an online grandstander. I don't see him making a lot of productive votes. He seems to be the guy, and J.D. Vance was very articulate about this. whenever Trump needed him to make sure something passed, then Massey is dependably not there and also out on Exce Everything app where he uses the platform to try to fundraise and get clout by suggesting that Trump's government is covering up for pedophiles, which I don't believe that to be the case. I believe we should all get all full information on Epstein, but I don't think that Donald Trump's government is going out of their way to try to protect pedophiles. That's Massey's entire online brand. And he always is the vote that the Republicans need and can't get. yet and he loves it. He delights in that. That to me is just so counterproductive and I think the state of Kentucky can do better. Yeah, I mean, listen, my take on Massey is we like Massey. I like some of his principled stands. Charlie liked some of Massey's principled stands, namely anti-war. He loved that. He was a good Maha fighter. He liked that. Principal budget hawk like that.

But, you know, Blake and I were talking about before the show today. Go ahead. It was your thought. It's just, yeah, Charlie liked a lot of things about Massey. He said he was the favorite congressman of his for a long time. But Charlie was also a guy who supports President Trump. He supports getting as much as you can done with this administration because he recognizes we're in a national crisis time is short. And I don't think he would have a lot of patience for Massey, for example, when the Iran action happened. Even if Charlie himself would have been very skeptical of that. Massey basically, he went on and he said literally.

We have this tweet. Yeah, PSA, bombing a country on the other side of the globe won't make the Epstein files go away, suggesting the war is this wag the dog effort to distract from the Epstein files. Or another thing he said is, I vote with the GOP 91% of the time because 9% of the time they're starting wars bankrupting our country or covering up for pedophiles. He's totally leaned into this brand that the administration is this pedophile cabal, which is the stuff you can find on blue sky. It's the stuff you can find in the worst conspiracy swamps. And frankly, I'll go further. I'll say I think that a lot of the file releases have vindicated President Trump's warnings, which is there's a lot of salacious gossip.

It's made a lot of people look bad. It's been embarrassing for a lot of people. But it has not exposed some massive pedophile cabal. That's why people haven't been charged. If someone can show me, this specific person should be charged with crimes against children. I'd love to see some people charge from it. But that's another topic. I agree with your main point, though.

Yeah, sure. That essentially, you know, listen, there was some calls on X over the weekend and get, you know, will you endorse Thomas Massey? Listen, if Thomas Massey wins, I'm going to be good with it. Like, I'm totally good with it. I think we can work with Thomas. He's got some great positions and he's got some, to your point, he has made his whole brand about pedophile protection with Rokana.

By the way, Rokana has stood shoulder to shoulder trying to make much of this. political football with the Epstein thing, with women that have been accused of actually soliciting some of the minors that were abused. So I'm just saying I have an open mind here, but at the end of the day, I say I will do what J.D. Vance does. SOT 17. Being independent, having your own opinions is one thing. Voting against the party on every single issue, you're eventually going to make too many enemies. And that is the problem that Thomas has had. It's not one issue. It's not three or four issues.

It's that every time that we've needed Thomas for a vote, he has been completely unwilling to provide it. That is why the President of the United States has trained his ire on Thomas Massey. It's because we can never count on him for some of the most difficult votes. And when you always vote against the party, you can't expect the party to actually back you. So, listen, that seems to be pretty logical. Listen, again, I don't hate Thomas Massey. I actually like so much of him, just like Charlie did.

But at the end of the day, we got a slim majority, and we got to get stuff done. So, Alex, you had another thought that you wanted to convey on the Massey race. Yeah, so the positive thing about Massey is he is a real American individual, and I do like that. And I want to encourage people to be individuals. But his job, as a congressman, is to vote. And when you're consistently voting that make the job easier for Democrats and for the bad guys, politically, then that becomes a major problem for me. And think about the one big beautiful bill act where he opposed that.

And that was essentially what people voted for in the 2024 election. Trump wanted this. He talked about the whole dime. We wanted one big, beautiful bill that's going to get his agenda going. And Massey stood in the way of that. That's just a sign that he's in it for himself. And, you know, I don't love the glow up that his wife died. Then did the big glow up and then got the younger wife immediately.

That's also off-putting to me. But all that matters to me is how does he vote? And he's a Republican who votes problematically. a lot and that's what it comes down to. So I'm rooting against him. But again, an interesting individual. Yeah, I mean, listen, when it comes to his personal life, I mean, listen, from all I can tell he was a devoted husband for many years and his wife died unexpectedly, my heart goes out to him about all of that. And I don't, I don't subscribe to any of the salacious stuff that people are slinging. I get the optics of it, Alex. I just, to your point, what matters to me is, you know, is he going

to be a part of a team or is he not? And listen, I understand, like I said, I love his principled stance on war. I think, you know, Alex Clark has been out publicly defending his maha bonafides. Love that. Love the budget hawk stuff. But at some point, you know, J.D. Vance made a point is, you know, this is politics. When you, when you fight the party and what the, the agenda of so many of your colleagues are trying to get accomplished constantly, eventually you're going to have a lot of enemies. So again, if he gets elected, I'll be happy. If he doesn't get elected, we're going to deal with that reality as well. Bill Cassidy just lost his primary because he was a senator who voted to convict Trump after January 6th. That was the reason he lost this primary above all.

And so if you are, the number one thing that annoys Republicans for the most part is deciding to be a giant thorn in the side of the president from their party. especially when they would prefer to be in conflict at war with the left. And I think there are plenty of lawmakers who have navigated the dynamic of disagreeing with President Trump on specific issues, sometimes strongly. There are multiple lawmakers who do that on multiple issues, including even on Iran itself. But Massey has carved out a special brand for himself in that regard. And that unsurprisingly has created a lot of conflict. And listen, part of this is the Trump dynamic.

There's no doubt. Trump played a part in this relationship devolving down. I've seen, you know, certain allegations from Marjorie Taylor Green about how this, how this has happened. And listen, I want us all to be in peace and to be rowing in the same direction. I want unity. Hopefully, if Massey ends up pulling this off, we can do this. Just one more note, by the way, like, there's a lot of groups spending a lot of money in this race, which one, I think is a distraction. I think it's taking resources away from other races to beat Democrats that are more important. So that's my first perspective. turning point action is not involved in this race.

We're not spending money. We're not doing it. And so we're going to let the chips fall where they may. But I will say, you know, if there's a tweet here from Stephen Miller that I thought was interesting because Roe Kana, it says, you know, Thomas Massey is a man of character. He's the type of congressman, our founders envision. I hope his constituents will see the courage, independence in Sierra Love for Country he brings to the job. Okay. And he's quoting a New York Times opinion column.

Stephen Miller comes back as his Kana is among the most radically liberal anti-Maga extremists to be found in all of Congress. This is the equivalent of being endorsed by Rachel Maddow. I do think that that's interesting. There's a whole discussion here, Alex, about where the money's coming from. There are PACs. There is the A-PAC. There's Israel-aligned PACs. It's not foreign money, by the way.

That's a misconception online commonly. These are Americans that do care about Israel. Whatever you think about that, however, there is another side of the coin here where apparently it's only between like three and five percent of, of the funding on Massey side, who's actually outraged his competitor, Gao Ren, but there's only three to five percent that's coming from Kentucky. So he's getting a lot of support from outside as well. And so, you know, if you're going to make that critique on one side, you can make it for both in this race.

There's a lot of a national attention. We understand how it's gone. All right. I think we've made our point clearly here. All right. Last point, Alex Marlowe. The Iran War drags on, okay? this is becoming a whole thing. Democrats have basically staked their entire political fortunes

on calling Republicans racist after the Supreme Court ruling gutted Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act. We're getting rid of these racially gerrymandered districts, especially in the South. Those two dynamics, Iran and racism from the left. How are you looking at all this? How is it going to play out? Yeah, I want to look at this in a neutral way because, you, even though people in our audience, they're going to be so just numb to just being called racist and fascist and all that stuff. But the Democrats really do think this is going to be motivational in terms of voting because they're trying to frame it up as the Republican racist redistricting is what they're fighting against and is giving them a narrative. It's probably their clearest narrative in a while.

I was playing a bunch of clips on my podcast earlier today. Just going through how the talking points clearly went out. It's the entire party. They're all framing it. is so all the redistricting is based in racism, and they think they can win on it. I haven't seen fresh data, but they really do think this is the case. So mark that down, this is happening, and they do think this is a winning issue to frame it this way. I hope the American people burned out on it.

They don't stand for anything principally, but I think that's a very important point. The next thing, Iran, as you mentioned, the Democrats know that the longer the Iran war goes out, the goes on, the harder it's going to be for Republicans to win in a midterm. So they want to see it go on. They want to see it prolong so that they, can continue to dunk on Trump for this stuff. They're not looking for him to wrap it up and declare victory. Iran also ironically would like for things to go on longer because they know that Trump's going

to get a bunch of political pressure, both from his party and from the Democrat party at home. The media obviously trying to make it so that write a narrative that we've lost the war no matter what happens. And so these are the two big things that I think are headwind for President Trump heading into the midterm season kicking off in full flight. I will tell you what. I mean, maybe it's just me. maybe I'm biased, but every time they sling the racism slur at us, I just feel like it falls flat.

I feel like we're going to have Eli Steele on next segment to talk about this. He had a great essay out over the weekend explaining what drives so much of our racial dysfunction in here. But we'll just give you a taste of what Alex is talking about. Sa'8. I have to just tell the truth. There are people in this hostile anti-black administration that would rather black Americans pick cotton, then pick the president, then pick their congressperson, then pick a senator. Well, that's just civically idiotic, actually, because a sitting senator is chosen by the whole state,

and they don't have the votes in the south to get their senators in most races. Anyways, the point is, Alex, you're totally right. I mean, I've got 14 clips of this that I could choose from as well. And that's what they're staking their whole thing. I will tell you this. I would prefer this over the anti-ice narrative after Minneapolis where you had Rachel Good and Alex Pretti that were killed. Yeah, I think this is far less po.

I think we got to be able to beat this. We got to be able to beat this one. It's not a strong one. And have you guys ever talked to anyone who wants black people picking cotton? It's so, she's going too far back. She's reaching too far back. Yeah. Alex Marlowe.

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And you've really taken up his mission and you've been doing a great job. I was really profoundly moved by a piece you wrote. You published on X. I'm assuming it's on your subtext as well, but you said, you're basically taking issue. I think kindly, gently, gently with Gadsad as position, suicidal empathy. who's another guy that we love on this show. And I think Gads' contribution to this discussion is important. But he said, you said this in your piece. You said, whites stood accused by history. They had failed the founding idea of all men are created equal

and were stigmatized as a group. Whether or not they had personally owned slaves or enforced Jim Crow, the question that haunted many of them was not, how do I feel for you, but how do I prove I'm not one of the racists? This condition of societal guilt, not the emotion of empathy became an organizing principle

of American public life. You underscore that you believe that so much of our racial dysfunction in this country is caused by fear, not empathy. Explain, sir. Thank you for having me, and this is my first time on the show. So you already may not know

I am deaf, so I have a debt question. But to your question, yeah, I mean, you're pointing out to see something I think it's very fundamental or wishes. We're talking about collective guilt here. America had practiced, you know, racism, whether it's slavery or segregation for almost four centuries. And it's another thing that's very important to remember that America was a very Christian country. And the civil rights movement was a Christian movement.

And this form of Christianity was white, because Christianity had been kind of deferred as to was slain slavery. She was playing segregation. And that was a huge problem. So white America, which always tried to suffer of having that innocent of having that special thing. And the civil rights movement said, no, you are not

innocent. You enslaved up. And that created a huge fallout or a collision in the niceties where white America realized, oh, we're not on the top morally. as we thought that we were. And that spread to all of white in America, whether you were a slave owner

or you actually participated in segregation or even if you didn't. Your white skin was enough of a condemnation. And I think that sort of was misty on this whole suicidal empathy question because it sort of focuses on the individual. Empathy began as an individual emotion. And you're kind of trying to scale that out.

I'm arguing the opposite. There was a collective judgment from the outside of white America, and that went into the mind of many people, and they said, okay, how do I achieve innocence? How do I achieve moral authority? And my father obviously calls this false innocence, because only true innocence can be done through true, mean

repenting. In other words, if we had done it the right way, we would have focused on the people that we had to pray. Instead, we focused on white redemption instead, what we call the left, what we call the post-dicist liberalism.

It became all about white redemption rather than actually doing the much more difficult work coming together at the country and repairing the damage. No, exactly, Eli. It's, it really feels like a regression to, you might even say, pre-biblical morality that Charlie loved the site that in the Old Testament, one of its innovations is to say, you do not punish children for the sins of their fathers, that

individual's choices matter, individual decisions matter, whereas many other moral codes don't take that. They do consider it normal to do collective punishment. In China, a very common punishment was if someone committed treason, you killed their wife, their children, their parents, sometimes even their friends and associates. And that was totally normal. And this is doing the same thing. It's reviving this pre-biblical morality of you are responsible for the decisions of your ancestors. In fact, your entire race, you're responsible for those. It is blood guilt.

And they've brought that back. and it's created this psychosis in a lot of people. I do agree, though, it's fear. Fear of being stigmatized with the racist word, fear of being called a bigot. We have turned that into American society is the number one insult, the number one, you know,

assault on somebody's character conceivable, right? It doesn't matter if you're a pedophile, if you killed somebody. You know, we'll let you out of bond without cashless bond if you did those things. But if you're a racist, then that is the number one chief sin that you can commit as an American. And how they did that is really, really fascinating. Now, that does it.

So what we've done, Eli, is we've completely cut out the knees from logical conversations, common sense conversations about crime, about education, about fatherlessness. And instead, it's just a blanket pejorative. They can sling at you to make sure you're not allowed in polite society. You're not allowed to run for office. You're not allowed to lead a company. You're not allowed to be a part of a church. If you are the R word, they will take you out of everything.

And that has created a paralyzing fear in the American body politic. And I think we're finally, the further we get away from the 1960s, we're finally seeing a true reawakening where we can have actual discussions about race, politics, culture, and these sorts of things. That's why I think your piece is so powerful, Eli. Yeah, and I think the staff piece is very helpful in many ways, because what he is doing is she is decriety, I think what is the symptoms?

Yeah, you could call a suicidal empathy. I mean, I agree with it, but I don't think it's invaluable because I think it helps a lot of people focus on what's going on in the country and maybe we could get deeper beyond that because I think what you were talking about blood guilt, you know,

paying for the stings of the fathers. That is about the most anti-American principle. Yes. We're a nation of individuals. We broke away from Eritreliatic Europe, where the first time had all the power. We said, no, everybody has to share. Everybody's individuals. We created, you know, the whole family principles are all around the protection of the individual.

And what the, what we could call them, you know, bad actors or something like that, they start an opportunity in the nice jurisdiction. They said white America is guilty. That's our power. That's when my father stays in white guilt is literally the same deal of flat power. Not only that, across Europe, we have colonialism. And now you have colonial guilt. So now you see how whites all across America.

This is why when George Floyd happened. You have the UK, you have Sweden, Finland, Finland, Germany, all. borrowing down to Black Lives Matters. He's to respond to the rest and guilt, which we should kind of call right guilt in general. But all of it, I think the whole purpose

of it is to undermine the individual and force us into a tribal society back into, I guess what you call me pre-piblical times where we are tribal. This is very anti-Russian. And this is why my father and I we believe it is the most destructive

force that's going on in the Russian world because if you do become tribal and we have to re-defend America somewhere else. And there's nowhere else to go at this point. And I think it's very telling when you look at that SPLC story too, Eli, how they knew that if you could weaponize white supremacy, if you could create a boogeyman that rested upon this foundation, this narrative that had been created in the post-1960s world, then you could monetize it, you could weaponize it, you could send it to the DOJ and you could criminalize it. You can do all of this with the cudgel of racism, of guilt, of fear that has paralyzed our culture. And if we are paralyzed by this fear, we will lose Western civilization.

We will lose confidence on ourselves, the confidence we need to build this this, this, this, this civilization that we know and love, the greatest that the world has ever known. Eli Steele, you can check him out at Substack. man of steel.com and check out this new essay. I think it's super important, Eli, to the discussion. Thank you so much for your time, my friend. Thank you. Thank you for happy me. God bless you. Really important conversation there. Okay, we got a ton of emails from you guys about Thomas Massey. A bunch of emails about Massey and from various perspectives. A deluge. Various perspectives, I will say, and we should acknowledge that. Would you say it's about 50-50? I haven't reviewed it. I actually probably would say, which is notable for someone who is in

conflict with the president. One from Ali says, Massey would rather grandstand about balancing the budget than stop Iran from building ballistic missiles. He voted against Trump's big, beautiful bill that delivered tax cuts for Americans. He's done nothing to help J.D. Vance go after the massive fraud and waste that is actually draining our budget.

Priorities matter. But then Jamie says, I love Massey. We need more Rand Pauls and more Thomas Massies. I want him to vote yes where he can. But he has always been against spending. This isn't new. I understand the loyalty issue, though.

Democrats also vote together, but I think we have so many rhinos that it has become impossible for Republicans. I wish we would focus on removing rhinos, though, before the Massey types. Someone says, tell Rhino Andrew that Massey does not have any points. So I think he's saying you said he had a point on some things. He's saying, no, we don't. Okay, listen, I'll stand by it. Massey's good on war.

He's good on Maha. He's good on spending. All right. And then we have another one. This was actually from a few days ago, but I thought it meshed well with this. Massey was on my friends list, but I have been telling people for a couple years that libertarians are planning to sabotage MAGA by helping Democrats because they hate tariffs and they are pro-China. Big Tech wants them to fund the libertarians to destroy our movement. At some point, it no longer matters whether people are good on some things. His opponent should be endorsed. So that's a good representation. I mean, we actually got one from someone who says that they're so pro-Massie that if he loses, they're going to vote Democrat from now on. So that's a very strong opinion. Which is a giant sci-op. We disagree on that for sure. There's zero reason to vote Democrat.

Listen, Democrats are an anti-civilizational force. Yes. Let me prove this to you. Let's just bring up the real numbers. Okay. So these are the same people that let Iran-Zerutska's killer out after multiple, multiple. violent crimes in this man's past. All right.

We've got another story of the, I mean, it's like every day there's a new story. That's what Democrats do. Democrats are the one that flooded the borders and want to replace American voters with more compliant third-worlders. Democrats are the ones that want to blow the entire federal budget to give freebies to foreigners, to give Green New Deal scams, all this stuff. They are agents of chaos, quite literally. They don't believe in merit.

They believe in DEI. They don't believe in equality. They believe in equity. Every single point that they choose is going in the wrong direction. Literally, every single point. I've got nothing for them. They want to kill babies at nine months old. What could you possibly want to defend them on?

Now, if you're an accelerationist, right, let me deal with you guys too. If you're an accelerationist who wants to burn it all down so that you can rebuild a party in your image, it doesn't work. All they will do is get stronger. entrenched their power more deeply and cause more chaos destruction and carnage in their wake. Do you think that we are going to anytime soon get out from under the 10 to 15 million illegals that they let flood this country in just four years of Joe Biden? In four years, they darn near killed the country, four years. So if that's your plan, I couldn't disagree with you more strongly.

Yeah. So it's like, for example, we read the Roe-Kana tweet endorsing Massey. And yeah, Roe, he is a somewhat different Democrat. and that he sometimes finds issues to collaborate with. But you can check this. You can just check this where Ro Khanna, he supports amnesty for illegal immigrants with a path to citizenship. Ro Khanna, all in on the transcult. Totally loves all of that stuff. Ro Khanna.

All in on COVID vaccine. No bodily autonomy in that. All in on the George Floyd riots. He wants racial reckoning. He wants, he's actually once a, I checked that. He wants to investigate possible reparation. Do you want to know how like insane? No, but it's just this thing happens over and over.

And if you're going to say, I'm going to vote Democrat as a protesting, you are voting for the great solvent of our civilization. You are voting to create California for the entire country. And if you want to see how things are going, you can look at California right now. California can't build anything. California is just in perpetual thrall to the worst excesses of labor. They basically are just controlled by a cartel that defrauds their state government with the willing connivance of the state government itself. That is the future of the country if you lean into this. And we're frustrated if Massey is enabling that to come about, even if he is on our side for a bunch of different issues.

But if you're going to look at this and say, I'm mad over a house race, I am now going to switch to the other party. You need to get your head checked. Well, and listen, I understand the president can be difficult to deal with. Lauren Bober is running into some of this. And, you know, Warren Davidson, they're all campaigning with Massey. Listen, if Massey wins, we're going to be just fine. We're going to deal with it. And it's great.

I don't dislike Massey in a broad sense. That's all I'm saying. But if you're going to vote Democrat because you don't like the way this race goes, that's insanity. This is how insane it gets. Throw up these numbers. This is from the FBI. Did you know that because we've become so insane about our, racial discourse in this country because of Democrats, because of left-wing progressives,

that their murder rate is now at one out of every 22 black men will murder someone in their lives. That's that red column in the middle. That is the fruits of the left. The vast majority of those murders are being enabled or inspired by a very small percentage of people that we can't ever get off the streets because they believe in no cash bail and all this garbage and these judges have been co-opted by the radical left. There is not one single issue where I could get on board with Democrats. Not one. So I completely disagree with the acceleration as burned it all down protest vote.

What's going to happen in Kentucky is going to be decided by Kentuckians in that district. Let it play out. That's my final word. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.