The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 101 — The New York City Communist Debate? MAGA vs. Mamdani? Medal of Freedom Reactions

Episode Date: October 18, 2025

Andrew Kolvet, Jack Posobiec, Mikey McCoy, Tyler Bowyer, and Cliff Maloney reflect on the Charlie Kirk Medal of Freedom ceremony and react to the New York City Mayoral debate. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And we are here live in studio for once for Thought Crime Thursday. What's up, Andrew? Not much. Actually, a lot. A lot. A little bit. But I feel like that's what you say. It is what you said.

But I actually love thought crime because now that I have to sort of play driver for the Charlie Kirk's show. show, it's nice because you do this. Because I have to do it. Yeah, exactly. No, but, well, today, tonight there's going to be a ton of thought crimes because what we're going to be doing tonight is the Mamdani debate is coming up. And we all know how much Charlie was a huge fan of mandami-nomics and mandamism. And he just was was so, you know, so enthralled with the idea that this race communist, cultural

Marxist was about to take over the city of New York and obviously we're joking but you know tonight is the big debate and we've got a three way debates what we're going to do now Andrew's got a flight so we wanted to come on a little bit have a chat with him preview the debate then at some point he's going to bounce we're going to stream the debate so don't turn off this stream we will carry the debate in full and yes I will make sure that Blake does not come on and interrupt unfortunately that we actually don't have Blake because Blake is on assignment well hold on actually blake's assignment it's pretty cool he has a family member getting taking the vows uh she's going become a nun she's going to become a nun which is like so cool and Blake so this was like

Blake months ago was like hey you know I got to go to Italy for because you know family members taking the vows and I was like okay so we're just full doxing him all right I was like I was I was like just go for it bro just go just go and then everything happened and he was like I still you know pre-sched yeah yeah I still want to go and i was like i still want you to go so please go and then you know so there's a chance that blake might be joining a nunnery we're not entirely sure yeah because this audience is completely failed to get him married up so we've tried them at charlie kirk.com please send your uh your dating uh there's been some false starts also please send your super bowl halftime requests

freedom at charley kirk.com i know a lot of people have been sending in emails all throughout the week and we've seen some very very interesting requests but again we're we're accepting those with arms wide open and all I can say is hold me now because the news is coming and you know I just heard the news today as a matter of fact so you know we're really going to be we're really excited we're really looking forward to the event jack has zero opinions on no zero opinions whatsoever who should be no I mean it's just you know cultural relevance and and you know incredibly popular acts with with international renown but you know whatever whatever we can pick whoever it's no it's no big deal and and look like all I'm saying is if you want the event to be taken higher if you want

event okay all right how deep how deep down the uh the hit list are we going to go here all the way uh is this the this the greatest hits jack uh we could go we could go six feet from the edge if you want it's not that far down my goodness jack i'm gonna i'm gonna get you a playlist with some other acts on it just just just just so you could branch out a little bit out of this way but no so we're so we're gonna do that we're gonna show it um but and then tyler's gonna to join us tyler is that a thing right now he's going to come in later he's on assignment we are making this work we're going to make it all we are making this work i got to catch a flight tyler's traveling around the world trying to uh uh orchestrate our 2026 uh turning point action

plan so god bless him for that and but we also were going to talk about uh the medal of freedom ceremony we do we really haven't done that together no but we do also have a special guest joining us oh i forgot about it believe we have them believe we have them coming in remote we have cliff maloney do we have cliff howdy how what's up man there he is i don't know where i'm supposed to be looking the great cliff maloney you can look right there no but i feel like i'm looking there it's the wrong well i don't know maybe you're right there is check yeah i'm here yeah i'm over here so cliff you you um you know you were with us on election night you know you've been with us through thick and thin uh you've got the hat on of the greatest football team in american history of course the

Philadelphia Eagles, Super Bowl, Super Bowl champions. You know, we're giving some other teams, you know, a chance here. Megan Kelly, by the way, was roasting me yesterday for that loss to the Giants. And it was just, it was very painful. It was very painful. And Andrew was roasting us because we, what, the three teams in one night? Well, it was, yeah, you guys had the clean sweep and the Dodgers won of the series. Andrews Dodgers won the series three to one.

And now we're up to two to nothing on the Brewers. And by the way, I want everybody to know. out of respect for Charlie, had the Cubs overcome the Brewers and faced off with the Dodgers, I would have, for Charlie, I would have been a Cubs fan for one NLCS. See, I might actually be rooting for the Dodgers now because my dad used to always say that if you got beat, then you might as well say, well, we got beaten by the champs. Right. So we got beaten by the best. So I'm, but I'm not, I'm not sold on that yet. But no, you know, and Cliff, you know, you got to see the ceremony.

And actually, do you want to ask Cliff about it? Because he was watching it from afar. Oh, I love that. Actually, this whole experience, Cliff of the last month, and I was used to seeing Charlie be in the media. I would book the interviews. I would, you know, we'd work on how we're going to approach the interviews and the debates or whatever.

But it was still hard for me to calibrate because I was still so close to it. Like, you know, how famous Charlie was, how people were reacting to it. It was always hard. So I actually really think outside perspective, if somebody that's, that was watching on TV is truly important. So to your, to your point, Jack, Cliff, what was it like watching it, you know, from afar? Yeah, well, obviously, you know, I'm focused on Pennsylvania, New Jersey. And this is the heat of the moment in terms of us, you know, diving in there.

And so I didn't get a chance to get to D.C. You know, what was fascinating to me, honestly, the thing that stands out is kind of how Trump interacts with Erica. And I mean that, you know, in a very good way. I just mean that, you know, you hear all the time from the media and from a lot of people on the left that Donald Trump is this evil human being and just, you know, completely just corrupt or whatever they say, all these buzzwords. And then seeing him interact with Erica, you know, to me, kind of brings out the grandfather in him. Just very delicate and somber and sweet and connects with him. her and i just i mean that obviously you know i i i just love seeing that side of him right because a lot of us want him to be a fighter we want him to go against the deep state we want him to be

this america first warrior i mean the guy took a bullet uh on the year for us but to see that side of him i think just kind of brings out it just makes him kind of a whole person to me and then obviously you know with the ceremony i think erika's speech i don't want to uh you know say it topped the memorial or it topped her speech from the studio. But I just think that, you know, it's such a great message of her just talking about, you know, where are we going from here and her referencing the turning point chapters. I mean, that, you know, from afar, that struck me because she's caring about the people that Charlie would have cared about, which are, you know, not the people at the top, right?

It's an inverted pyramid. It's always look at this thing, right? We're way at the bottom. And the people that are closest to the voters, the people that are closest to changing hearts and minds are the doorkers, are the activists, are the students on campus. And for her to reference that, that just really, to me, talks about, you know, what is the future fraternity point and what do things look like? So I just thought the whole ceremony was fantastic, a great tribute to Charlie Kirk and, you know, it just reinforced. We got to do the work and we got to move forward from here. No, that's great. And Andrew, I know, so we were, you know, there in the Rose Garden and I know there was that moment. It was kind of surreal. And you turned to me and you took this picture that is now gone viral and you pointed out it's like all of the legends of conservative media, the people that like we watched. Even the people that we watched when we were younger were all standing together. And even in addition to the entire government being there, but this.

This photo, it was, remind me who it was. It was, so we had Bill O'Reilly, which he never comes to stop. Do we have that picture? I'll grab it. He's there. And it's, and Megan Kelly's there. And I don't know if we got all of them in, you know, one picture together. But we did.

We did. We got most, I think. Hannity, Jesse Waters. And Tucker. Tucker. Laura Ingram. Laura Ingram. Yeah, it was sort of like the past and present of the Fox lineup, which was noteworthy in the sense

that, you know, I don't think I've ever seen them photographed together. I really don't think so. Here, I'm going to, I'll put it in the chat here. Well, and you think of all like the, you know, the ups and downs and the back and forth of the schedule and oh, and Glenn Beck, Glenn Black was there. Yeah, I didn't get Glenn in that picture. But what, what happened was that it was basically Jesse, Bill, Tucker, and Laura all standing next to us in the back because there's, you know, assigned seats and then there's, and then there's people standing. And, and you'd be surprised the, the, the Cal of people that were standing, right? And we're just standing right next. And then, you know,

all of a sudden, Sean Hannity walks back, I think to give a hug to Laura or something. And he turned around. We snapped the picture. And it was quite the moment. It really was. But there was also, you know, Glenn Beck was around. And then we had a picture with Blake, you, me, Benny, Johnson, the crew. And I guess that picture sort of went viral to a little bit. But, you know, there's something about the concerns. conservative media being there showing up, and it speaks to the role Charlie played in that because Charlie was such a fan of Rush. And Rush had also received the Presidential Medal of Freedom. And so there was this, this interesting symmetry, this interesting parallel of like the

generations of, you know, so Rush is the first. I used to think about this. Like he was the pioneer of conservative media. It wouldn't exist without it. I used to think about this all the time that what made Charlie very exceptional, just in the media landscape, was that he was a bridge of generations as well. Even though he, you know, 31 years old, he had become very close with Rush. Rush, you know, was a seven-figure donor to Turning Point. He believed in Charlie. But, you know, Charlie was also close with Sean Hannity. And he was also close with Mark Levin. And he was also close with Glenn Beck. And so these are the people that he grew up listening to. And then he became close with. And they were all sort of excited to hand the baton to him and let him carry on the mission

and expand the mission, grow the mission. And so Charlie was uniquely positioned that way. And you could see the same thing with Fox. Like, who else could bring together these people from Fox News that, you know, had, you know, interesting exit stories from the network? He's being so diplomatic, folks. He spends four days in D.C. and he turns into a politician. Well, I'm trying to be diplomatic because anybody that was willing to make the time to go to the Rose Garden and honor Charlie deserves my respect and I am going to be respectful. And Charlie, I mean, just so we're clear, I ended up on a stage with Bill O'Reilly later that, or last night, and getting lectured about JFK sending in the National Guard in 1963. And, you know, it was very fascinating. I was like,

you know, I appreciate Bill that you might have a little bit more historical, historical, uh, understanding about what happened in 1963, but I think maybe I have a little bit better understanding what happened in 2023. Oh, snap. Oh, snap. It's, he's doing it. No, but, no, Charlie was, as simple as this. Charlie was the bridge. He was the bridge. He brought people together that otherwise wouldn't be together. And you saw that on full display. I mean, you not just from a media standpoint. It was, it was also from a, you know who we missed? Who we should have gotten that picture. Megan Kelly. No, because you know what it was, though? Because she was standing on the other side. I know, but I should have grabbed her.

No, but like the honor guard was like in between us. So it was, it was sort of, no, we should have grabbed her. And we saw her later, obviously. And she was great and she was a gracious. But it was there was this military honor guard that kind of separated the, the space. And so you didn't really want to cross that because they were keeping the aisle clear. I don't know why they were keeping the aisle clear because somebody walked down it. But yeah, you didn't, you didn't want to cross this military honor guard.

But that that would have been, obviously would have been, you can Photoshop it. Yeah, we're going to Photoshop it. We'll get, boneless. Boneless, if you're watching. Photoshop that. Bonless. It's on you. So hey, let's play some clips from. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead, Cliff. Yeah, let me just make one comment to back you guys up. You know, I used to be much more of a flame thrower back in the day. And it's funny thinking back, because Charlie was always the one, you know, who'd send me feedback on certain things. He'd be like, listen, you know, I know that you

disagree with this person or I know that, you think that they're the enemy at the moment. But we got to figure out a way to, you know, come together, right? There's got to be some coalition here. but he always talked about compromising without compromising your principle. And I just always like to give Charlie credit for that because there was something that he was very good at in a way that not a lot of people at his level understand kind of how to put those chess pieces together. But I just want to back up what you guys said. I mean, who else can get all these different media, all these different big names, all of these folks to come together? It's Charlie, right? And it's Charlie the one that really, like I said, I mean, a lot of people when they get to that sort of position or that height of influence, they're kind of forced to take certain sides.

And I think Charlie was just always trying to build a coalition. So I wanted to back that up. Yeah, no, absolutely. He always was doing that. He didn't believe in purity test necessarily. I mean, you could cross a line and he would give you a name check and up against the glass, if he's a hockey expression. Most of the time, he was willing to work this stuff out in private, and he won a lot of trust and admiration from people that are used to getting betrayed by people in public, basically.

You think you have a friendship with somebody, and then all of a sudden you find out that you're getting put on blast in the media or whatever. So let's play some clips here. Jack, do you have one that, I mean, I can just start here. How about 185? I want you to be the embodiment of this metal. I do. I want you to free yourself from fear. I want you to stand courageously in the truth. Listen for the still, small voice of God. And remember that while freedom is inherited in this country, each of us must be intentional stewards every single day.

God began a mighty work through my husband and I intend to see it through. in the torch is in our hands now it's in mine it's in yours it's in all of yours it's in all the students with turning point USA and then speaking directly to the chapters was i i think just a brilliant stroke because it goes to show you that there's so many students out there and and more students now and i've been i've been working with this chapter at rutgers they're you know under attack and there's other people who are you know getting you know getting in the limelight now and and the pressure's on right the pressure's on turning point but then you all also see the people who are stepping up to the plate and delivering.

So you look at the tour, the thousands upon thousands of kids that are coming out to these tour stops that are still going on. And we have a big new announcement. The big announcement. Yeah. So J.D. Vance came on the show yesterday on the Charlie Kirk show from the White House, which was fantastic. And he announced, well, I sort of announced, but then he filled in the gaps that he and

Erica are going to be hitting up Old Miss, Oxford, Mississippi. on October 29th. Unbelievable. That'll be Erica's first tour stop. And I think her only tour stop this time. But we also announced that Benny Johnson... First ever? No, no, no.

I mean, maybe, actually. Like a campus stop. Yeah. Yeah, it's probably it probably is. I think it is. And then we got Eric Trump, Benny Johnson, Laura Trump, and Coach Tuberville hitting up Auburn on November 5th.

The one-year anniversary of really Cliff Maloney's call her. heard round the world. That's what November 5th will always be to the Pennsylvania call, the Pennsylvania call, which was so, it was so appropriate. You got to call Pennsylvania. I remember, by the way, like, we were all so saying it in the chat and they were like, everyone's like Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, and none of us wanted to say it. No, Charlie was saying, don't say it. That's right. That's right. Charlie didn't believe it. Don't say it. Don't say it. Don't say it. Don't say anything. Something bad. Something to pull it back. And we had the tasty

cakes, which, which I actually, believe it or not, look at what we have here. I have you guys I got the tasty cakes back I got the tasty cakes back I know we are killing you and I don't find them that delicious but I love that they mean something to you they're the pumpkin tasty cakes

it is the greatest the greatest cake out of tasty out of Philadelphia yeah yeah Bobby Kennedy absolutely hates these things I don't know if there's any what's the ingredient list oh yeah I don't think there's any actual

I don't think there's any actual pumpkin anywhere near these things. When you can't pronounce most of the ingredients. Silletal? How many cellulose? How many syllables does that have? The expiration date is more than a year away. All you need to know is tasty baking company, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. But these are the ones we brought out, right?

Because I knew Pennsylvania would be the one. You did. And so I pull out the tasty cakes, which I had brought. all the way after infiltrating Kamala Harris is. Remember the fake concerts? I want to play it again. Can we play that? Just play the clip.

What is it? What is it? 240. Fox News decides Donald Trump is president of the United States. We've got our republic back, folks. Let's go. There it is. Everybody should remember this moment.

Look, I'm going to echo Charlie from earlier. remember where you were when this happened, remember where you were when you realized that the unit party and all these, you know, just the establishment, you said it's time to actually participate. And look what you guys have done. And if anyone deserves to get tears in his eyes, it's Charlie. I think we all agree. Thank Eric. No one has worked harder in the break room. No one has worked harder than Charlie for this. We got to hear some words here from you, Charlie. You put all this together, my man. Let's hear it.

I am just humbled by guy. It's all got it. It's all got it. Got alone. Got alone. Decision desk has it. Pennsylvania. It's going.

It's beginning. How has it been a year? I can't believe it. How has it been? Not quite a year. We've got two, two, three weeks still. It's been a year, but it's been a year. But I mean, and well, here we are again.

It's October. right so it's election season we're you know the debate's coming up in a couple of minutes new york city yeah i do want to i do want to transition new jersey virginia when we started the charlie kirk show we knew that we needed to have a back end team that could really run our online store and that's why we turned to shopify we didn't know where to start we didn't know what we were doing but we knew that the folks at shopify could help us out and they certainly have that's where we run all of our merch sales and everything else that you can get at the charlie kirk store.com at charley kirk store.com and it's an amazing partnership and i can tell you from experience our

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I mean, anyways, the reason I wanted to play this Fox News clip, well, maybe it's worth it. Let's, it's a little bit longer. Is that okay? We do. I'm just giving kudos and a hat tip to J.D. Vance. And he did come on the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to make this announcement. So why don't we. So why don't do it. It's for Charlie. For Charlie. 243, please. The staff of TPUSA on yesterday. And I was just astounded by the numbers of people who have reached out. I understand there's like 350,000 and growing young people who have said we'd like to be a part of this. The Charlie Kirk show continues as do the events. And Vice President Vance was on your show yesterday, talking about how he's going to do an event and he's going to take some questions. Watch here. I'm going to do exactly what Charlie did.

just do Q&A with the audience. I actually want to hear from these kids. I want to answer questions from them. He would answer tough questions from the left and from the right. And so I want to do that, too. A part of keeping Charlie's memory alive is keeping the mission alive. And nobody can replace Charlie. But if we all sort of take little pieces, we can do as much as we can to ensure that Charlie's

mission continues to survive long after he's gone. I feel like that's going to be must watch TV streaming, whatever we're calling it now. Yeah, no, absolutely. And I just want to give a huge shout out and hat tip to the vice president. You know, people, I don't know how people imagine this working, but he and Usha have been so just generous. And they have been the ones offering to help. They have been the one saying, hey, we want to make sure that Charlie's legacy lives on. How can we help?

What can we do? And I just love that the vice president wants to honor Charlie by emulating Charlie at these events. You know, yes, he'll give a few minutes of remarks, but he wants to. He wants to interact with the students. And people need to understand that part of what made Charlie so amazing is that, yeah, he spoke, but he listened. And this is going to give the vice president an opportunity to do just that. Listening is a superpower, in my opinion. All right. Andrew, thank you and safe trip home.

Thank you so much. Yeah, I just, I love that the vice president wants to honor Charlie by doing what Charlie did, which is he's going to give a few minutes of remarks. But then he's going to spend the most of his time taking questions and interacting. Charlie always said that. He always told me the very first time that I went, never did one of the campus stops by myself even without Charlie. And what he said was, this was his advice. So Charlie's advice was, and I've used it for almost every single event that I could since then. He says, if they give you an hour, do five, 10 minutes of remarks and the rest questions. Well, Charlie would plan five to 10 minutes and it usually go a little bit longer. Yeah, a little bit longer. And then he was always.

I was like, well, why do you do that? And he goes, well, because the questions go viral, Jack. It's so true. It's so true. People are dying for that interaction. You know what I mean? It's funny because one of the guys, Nick Freitas, something if you guys know, Nick out of Virginia, it's a delegate out there.

He, it's so funny because with him, his social media is kind of taken off. And it's funny because I asked him once. And he says, listen, he says, the four speeches people love, he says, but the speeches aren't what really take off. It's that interaction. And obviously, Charlie with the prove me wrongs, you know, understood that. It's capturing not just stupid questions, but, you know, people actually asking intellectual questions and getting a raw, real-time response from Charlie.

And that's why these turning point events, you know, I think JD's correct and right to say, hey, let me actually take questions rather than give some pontificating speech. That's not a shot at him. That's all politicians. But I think that the real thing people are looking for, we saw all this in 2024. The whole election came down to authenticity, right? People want something real. Trump going on Theo Vaughn, Trump going on, you know, Rogan, the real long conversations

where you actually get responses that people have to think about and they can judge your temperament and what you're actually, you know, where you're coming from that position on. I think that's why these proved me wrongs are great. And I love that somebody's speakers are taking that angle. And it's, it's that real time. you know sort of like got to think on your feet aspect that's that's tricky i know i know let's do about five more minutes and then i know because i know the debate is going to be starting i do want to throw to that and get it set up but so we've got this debate we're going

into it so momdani is currently leading in the polls but quomo is right behind you so the latest poll that i've seen out of quinipiac it's momdani 46 quomo 33 curtis sliva at Sliwa. In Polish, you'd say Sliwa. But we could say Slewa. 15. So it's really this three-way race. Well, if you add up Slewa and Cuomo, that puts you at what? You'd be over.

Yeah, you'd be over. So there's this question. You'd be just 48, 46. Yeah, it'd be just over 4846. So you'd be just over. And, you know, we're seeing, and by the way, we're seeing it very similar. I got to throw it out. The New Jersey governor's race where, you know, we've been.

doing a ton of work. By the way, turning point action is holding an event this weekend with Chittarelli, Jack Chirley, up in northern New Jersey and up in Bergen County. And he's right he's right behind her in the polls. If you look at the head to head, but the enthusiasm gap is huge. There is a 13 point enthusiasm gap. Chittarelli up 55, Cheryl 42. That's just enthusiasm. That's out of the same Quinnipiac poll. And I think we actually have some video of Charlie talking about Mamdani, Zora Mamdani, Charlie's favorite candidate of all time. Let's play a clip 236.

Now understand that in the modern world, authenticity is considered to be the most important thing ever. But should it be? Now, authenticity, if you're pointing towards something good and virtuous, is beautiful. You're authentically trying to be the best version of yourself. To be honest, if you're pointing towards, a moral and transcendent ideal.

But Zohran Mamdani is not authentically trying to point New York or aim towards a better city. He's trying to bring New York into the gutter. And authenticity without virtue is just narcissism in disguise.

Let me say that again. Authenticity without virtue is just narcissism in disguise. I mean, I remember that. I remember. We actually workshoped that whole thing. line is so good. Yeah. I remember, gosh, it's a really good. And it's, and it's true. It's a hundred percent true. And, and in fact, that he's, he's, he's not just talking about politics there. He's

talking about life. He's talking about everything. And there were so many times where Charlie would do that and he would, you know, you'd start with one issue, or some political issue or political candidate, and he would, he would unpack it all the way down to its bones. Well, Erica did this in her speech, too. She, she made a really important distinction between, essentially, what the founders would call licentiousness, which is freedom without rules, freedom without boundaries versus liberty. And liberty is about self-governance. Or liberty, like, individual freedom is about, it's not about the lack of rules. It's saying, listen, I'm only going to have one glass of wine or I'm not going to have any at all, as opposed

to five or six. I'm only going to have one tasty cake as opposed to five or six. Maybe I'll have, maybe have a bite just to make Jack happy and then put it, throw it in the trash. No, but whatever whatever the um but but there there is these nuances to being a fully formed human being that can be a productive citizen of a constitutional republic because if you allow your vices to control you then you become a slave to your vice exactly charlie understood that and that's different from like the libertine licentious do whatever you want he was an expert at calling out the gods of this age right you find out what the gods of this age are by when you realize what you're not allowed to criticize right right so if you're not allowed to criticize right so if you're not allowed to criticize

I'm okay. He found that one out. That's one of the gods of this age. You're not allowed to criticize the Civil Rights Act. Even if you like the intention of some of the Civil Rights Act, you're not allowed to criticize it. You don't have a discussion about it and suddenly it's because it's a god of this age. And you've committed blasphemy. Right. And you're not allowed to, well, you are allowed. But when you see these incisive commentary about, you know, licentiousness versus freedom or authenticity versus narcissism, those are the the gods of this age, how many times have you heard somebody on the news say, well, everybody wants authenticity and, you know, that's really the key. And Trump is so authentic. Well, Trump is

authentically who he is. But it's also because his value system is in alignment with so many American voters. Trump is, you know, exceptionally American in many ways, right? And that's why him being authentically American works. Wait, that's so perfect that you mentioned this. Authentically American. That's true. Oh, well, speaking of authentic Americans, let's play clip two 37 good so the the third holy grail of taboos in american politics you have socialism you have Islam and then you have Palestine and you are really going for the trifecta let's go baby let's go tell me why is Palestine a part of your politics when you grow up as someone especially in the third world you have a very different understanding of the Palestinian struggle and it's just it's just

everything about that it's just going into his mouth as he's talking you know he's just like fingers you know he just used the restroom you can almost guarantee that he just he was like oh it's so rank it's really disgusting and by the way when you grow up is somebody in the third world you have a much different oh come on you live behind a gated community in the wealthy elite like everybody's a millionaire i think he lived in the same neighborhood is the only ugandan billionaire just like every other community. Let me ask you guys the question that I'm not supposed to ask. Do we want him to win? Do we want him to win?

No, we don't. And I'll say, does him winning, you're right, give the poster child for an actual socialist in the financial capital of the world. I'm not, I'm not arguing the answer is yes, but I think that it's very interesting for me to think through. They have no leader right now on the left. They have no solutions. They have no policy that they're, that they're, I mean, when's the last time we've seen a Democrat leader put out some sort of plan in terms of a government budget or, I mean, at this point, it's just we hate Trump. Does him getting elected as an outed socialist create a poster child that we can have a better dichotomy between free market capitalism and socialism? I think that's a great question. Look, I hear you, but this is the George Wilting. Defeating communism is

always the right answer. There's never an answer where defeating communism isn't the right answer. Now, I do think Mondami's going to win the race. I do. And I think that Sliwa is, I mean, he's running a vanity campaign and he, you know, easily could have taken a position in, you know, something else. He's claiming that he's been offered $10 million to drop out of the race. No, no, I just mean, I just mean there are other ways you can serve. And no, I'm not saying, I'm not suggesting and you say he should take the money. He's a bribe him. I'm just saying he's claiming that he's been bribed,

which is not by Jack. Now, listen, he, if you're going to offer anybody $10 million, I would. He reminds me of so many of these candidates that I deal with, you guys deal with these people, the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party, the spoilers, right? And look, it's a tough, tough conversation to have with folks because, you know, they kind of have this hope and this dream

and it's party loyalty, and he is the Republican, right? Don't get me wrong. what i'm saying is look at bobby kennedy right look at bobby kennedy bobby kennedy runs he runs as independent he gets on all the swing states he's up there but then what does he do he looks at the race he looks at the polls and he says you know what i might not be able to become president but i could become a kingmaker and then after i become kingmaker i can still get what i want out of all of this which is to help the children and now he's doing that every single day so you look at what bobby kennedy did

for the country because he put the country before himself. That's what I'm trying to say. And look, to Sliwa, get some concessions, dude. You're not going to win. So do what Bobby Kennedy did. Bobby Kennedy, you're right, Jack. Bobby Kennedy was a genius. He realized that he had a little bit of leverage that he could use

to take this Maha thing to the next level. And the guy has just completely reoriented our entire health system in a positive way, right? And I just look at this Sliwa guy. And I'm like, look, I'm a Republican. I get it. But why don't you get some concessions? He could be the kingmaker right now to tell all his supporters. And gosh, if you guys would have guessed a year ago that we'd be saying, hey, he should be endorsing Cuomo of all people. I would have probably thought you were nuts. But the political Well, Andrew's best friends with his brother now. So you know, it's funny. I did, I did, I did go on

Cuomo's, I guess it was a town hall last night at the Kennedy Center. They offered, I was like, I'm here. I guess I'll do it. and it was it was a fine experience but yeah chris chris uh is probably going to go into debate prep mode tonight right i mean or is he not allowed to because he's a journalist i don't know the rules anymore i don't think anybody does but here i'm sure i'm sure i'll be watching yeah for sure here's here's and we do it we do have to wrap up because i think they they're going to be starting soon okay yeah yeah we have to switch a stream over all right well fine i mean listen here here's what i'll say that you're absolutely right he should get some concessions i i just want to make one final point

what you were saying, Cliff, about should we be hoping that a communist wins? And the answer, in my opinion, is absolutely not. You have no idea what kind of carnage this man would do to everyday Americans. Even if they think they're voting in their own best interest, you have no idea what kind of corruption he'll put in place. You have no idea what kind of apparatchiks will be put in place that you will not be able to extricate from a city that's in America. Every single inch of terrain that is America is America. And we have to insist that it is American. And so he's going to stop working with ice. He's going to stop working with ice. He's going to alienate the NYPD. People are going to die. People don't realize the facts when it just comes with NYPD. They are going to absolutely

tucktail and run out of that city as fast they can. They're going to get job offers from Florida. They're going to get job offers from New Jersey and Connecticut. They're going to go to these other municipalities. We saw this in Seattle and Portland. Yeah. And they will be, they will have their hands tied. They're already getting their hands tied from some bad consent decree that just came across the wire this week. But they are going to be sitting ducks and they're going to want to get the heck out because cops, yes, they fear bullets. Do you know what they fear even more? Prosecutions. Prosecutions. Yeah, they fear getting prosecuted for doing their job. Becoming the next derrick show. And you better darn well believe that Mamdani is going to be leading the

charge to create villains out of cops that get put in terrible situations because there's terrible people running loose in the streets of new york. Andrew you got to run to the airport cliff you and I are going to hang out we're going to get tyler up I think we're going to try to see if we can find mikey as well yeah we got to get the great mikey mccoy and by the way mikey's going to be on our show tomorrow for the am a out of phoenix in the daytime show yeah all right so you're flying back to Phoenix i'm staying in dc it's going crazy and new york city is going red communist red debate starts now the New York mayoral debate. It was a two-hour debate.

I want to thank you for everyone who had to watch all of that communism, all that socialism. And honestly, I just got to say right off the bat, a well-run debate. I thought it was a well-run debate. I thought it was a good job by the moderators. All right, I'm being told now that we have everyone here. That is good. So Andrew, of course, had to leave earlier. He was making his way to a flight.

We've got the great Cliff Maloney. Mikey McCoy is there. He's the only one of us actually in Phoenix right now for once. And Tyler Boyer, who is on assignment. So I kind of threw my piece out. Cliff, you were earlier. Let's go, let's go Tyler. You know, what were some of your takeaways from the debate?

Yeah, I agree with you, Jack. It was a really well-run debate. I was expecting absolute chaos. because you have a communist, a guy who has a lot of piercings, and another guy who really can't usually stop talking all on the stage at the same time. And my expectation was just an absolute circus of a debate. And it actually was like an enjoyably long debate. I think actually most debates should be about that length and cover as many substantive topics like they did.

I mean, it's a lot of stuff that most Americans really can't totally comprehend because it's New York City specific, you know, inner city, you know, garbage stuff that really shouldn't exist. But you have to talk about, I guess, if you're from New York City. So, yeah, anyways, I thought it was a really great well-run debate. Mikey, what do you think, man? Yeah, I thought this was the most New York debate ever because you have these two New Yorkers on stage. arguing on who loves the Jews more and then you have mom Donnie saying the craziest stuff on stage and you have you got mom Donnie saying we need rent control buildings and we need to fix everything and then you got Sliwa going up there in every other sentence he's going you know

in my day when we had the guardian angels we would patrol the streets and keep it clean and then Cuomo doesn't really know what's going on somehow ties it all back to to you know protecting the Jewish community, which is great. You know, that's a big community in New York. But I did think it was very New York. And then on top of that, you have the two DEI sign language hires who have the green sheet behind them. And I think that they automatically thought that maybe a set would pop up if they put a green sheet behind them. But I thought it was good.

I thought the moderator did well. I thought maybe the moderator could have started by holding up a Chipotle bowl and saying, Mr. Mom, Donnie, how do you eat this with your hands? are a fork. I thought that we really missed out on that one. But other than that, I thought it was a pretty good debate. Oh, my gosh. Okay. So Mikey just went. Mikey just went. He's like going for the Media Matters article narrate at this point. Mikey came in on thought crime today. Mikey had we had a clip last week of he's like, I really like thought crime. And he's been thinking about it all week. And he just came in with the most content. I mean, I think we can close up.

up shop. That's that's great. He covered it. Yeah, it's pretty good. I was like trying to be all serious. I'm like, oh, yeah, it was good made. Tyler's like, oh, substantive issues. No easy. Let me, all right. Let me jump in real quick and say that, you know, what was fascinating to me is this idea that it's the true Democrat party, which means both Cuomo and Mom Donnie, you could tell every answer was not, oh, I want to present something because I have a plan or I have some sort of vision. It was, who am I not allowed to offend? Every single answer, you can see him kind of pausing. I don't want to offend this group, so I have to answer this correctly.

I don't want to offend that group. You know, at least Curtis went in as the Republican with some actual solutions. But I just feel like that represents the Democratic Party today, is they're just worried about offending people. It's all about these classes and virtue signaling. And to me, it was a good debate and that the structure, I think, went well. But there was no real policy positions that got to. anybody excited. I didn't think they really went deep on any of that.

Domani said, hey, we want everything to be free. They didn't really push back on him. I will say this, though, I thought they went after Cuomo pretty tough on a lot of the follow-ups. I mean, they really inserted themselves as if they were kind of fact-checking in the moment, but they only seemed to do that for him. Yeah, they went really easy on Mamdani on a lot of the follow-ups, which was, you know, kind of expected because it's just the communist propaganda that you see coming out of the elections department in New York City. But I mean, everything Mom Donnie said was just totally rehearsed, totally fake, nothing he actually believes. You know, Cuomo did a nice job saying that a lot of times. I'm just pointing

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So coming in, Mandami was the frontrunner. And, you know, Sliwa, a lot of people are looking him as kind of like a spoiler they're saying okay you know you'd put and i think the latest quinipiac poll said slew was at uh 15 quomo's at 33 and then mandami's at 46 so if you put the two of them together they'd be at 48 and they'd that quomo would be the lead but instead and and obviously not all that 15 would go over but instead uh you know it's it's it's just this split ticket and so mandani was the one who needed to have a pitch perfect night and i got to say I don't know that either of those guys laid a finger on him. I'm just going to say it.

Do you guys think there was any moment where they, you know, where they got in and really got some shots in, scored some points? I didn't really see anything. I'll throw it to you guys, though. I'll jump in and say that I think when it comes to authenticity, Mom, Donnie destroyed it. He just, he comes across as a likable guy.

He's young. He looks fresh. Obviously, the things that he stands for, we all vehemently disagree with. But I think that's the, almost reminded me. I hate to say it like this. it was almost like Trump versus the other candidates.

Now, look, a lot of the other candidates in the debates, especially 2016, you know, I like a lot of them. They're good on policy. But, you know, Shane Gillis in his stand-up bit about the debates, he's like, this wasn't fair. You know, they brought Trump in, who's a professional at this, a TV guy, and he's up against all these other people that are professional politicians. And that's what tonight felt like. I felt like Cuomo and Slewa, you know, they didn't do bad, but they really struggled.

even just looking at the camera. You know, we know this because we do this game, but like every single answer, Mom Dami is eyes to the camera, talking, confidently, calmly, smiling at the end, answering questions directly. I mean, I've never said this many positive things about a socialist in my entire life, but the other two just seem to be the old school

of just thinking that they're going to answer the political way. I think Mom Dami connected. Yeah, I think it's important to point out how likable he is also to the younger generation, both millennials and Gen Z. And I keep talking about this, but there's a crossroads that's coming where young people need to pick as a solution to their problems to go to the right or to turn to the left. But either way, there's going to need to be radical change. And so, Mamdani is this young, fresh cut, good looking, looks at the camera, clean cut. And he's offering a solution, though radical,

It's a socialist solution. And when you think about it, Gen Z and millennials, these are the ones that are the users of BNPL programs. They're the generations most in debt. And so they're being offered a solution that's out of the norm. And for a lot of them, the ones living in New York, they've had Cuomo. And they've had kind of the status quo for so long. And I think they're hopeful to see change. And the only change that they're actually offered is Mom Donnie.

And so I think he's really appealing to a lot of them. And I think you're spot on Cliff. I think he was super appealing on this entire debate. Do we have guys, I want to go in and play some of these, play some of the clips. I want to ask, though, as well, do we have that clip about the mosques by any chance? I don't know if we have that. Let's play real here, though. This kind of speaks to what Mikey was just saying, though, play Clip 314.

Andrew Cuomo is a politician of the past and all they can speak about are the tweets of the past in 2020 those are tweets which I have apologized for to New Yorkers and police officers directly and they are not what I am actually running on but you're incapable of actually speaking about the platform that we have here which is one that will keep New Yorkers safe

and there I mean you just hear it it's he's the politician in the past he's the one that is you know from from you know time immemorial he's obviously tied to, you know, his family, being in New York for a long time. And so it's, it's tough to be a Cuomo and say you're running as a change candidate. I mean, just don't really know how you do that politically. Yeah. And I, you know, just kind of piggybacking on that. It's, you know,

Cuomo's just such an, such an unlikable guy, that it's just such an unfortunate situation where you have, yeah, the juxtaposition of likable bad policies and unlikeable, really just slightly less bad policies and unlikeable good policies. You know, that's just, that's the, that's unfortunately the construct of, of every good campaign that runs, you have to be likable. You have to become across as someone that people connect with. And Mom Donnie is, you know, a, a, you know, outsider-looking Obama-esque young messenger who he clearly sat down and was told and coached that he could could not come across tonight as

you know angry or defensive or uh you know opportunistic he he was really smart and how he answered questions which was moderation and quiet and calm and likable and so that's just the that's that's that's the winning formula for him right now because it's his race to lose at this point, unfortunately. And all he had to do was make, you know, take more away from, you know, a bad, unlikable Democrat candidate. And I think he was successful, unfortunately, at that tonight. And that's part of the reason why so many people have hesitancy to tell Curtis Leewa to get out of the race, because you've got a guy that is not good at all. And I'll point to one specific example is they were like arguing over why mom donnie hasn't endorsed kathy hokel well that's not

exactly the the person that instills a lot of confidence with all the republicans that you have to try to win over in the city is you know making the point in the debate that you know the governor deserves you know an endorsement from you know the the quomo clan so again and that that governor may end up And Curtis Leewell was right is that there's a really good chance that you're going to have a Republican governor in the state of New York. And that may be the only way to hold Mom Donnie in check. But, you know, Cuomo didn't get the message and he showed up tonight. And he was like carrying the water for the Democratic establishment, which that may be the only thing that you can do at this point. I don't know.

But it doesn't instill a ton of confidence in the person that's. trying to pull together a unit to take out the communist well let's talk about quomo's biggest drop ball and that to me was when they asked him hey is there anything that you've learned or somehow that you've improved an experience or something of a deep level and he literally said social media he said i wasn't on ticot before but now i'm going to focus on and then they went back to him they said sir we're talking about you learning about something that that you feel like you've gained some experience. Cliff, his answer was so bad.

They tried to give the old man a second chance. It's not just TikTok, buddy. There's a couple other things. Yeah, I mean, just echoing how unappealing both of these candidates other than Zohran Mamdani are to the younger generation, Sliwa, look, personally speaking, I think he is so unlikable and unappealing to the younger eye. I think he's just this this he keeps quoting the guardian angels over and over again and to us, we don't even know what that is. And I was texting my friends who live in New York. They don't even

know what that is. That's from like a different generation, I feel like. And then on top of that, you have him saying, you know, for transportation, he's not going to take a yellow cab because, you know, the cavities and the gambonies shot me when I was in the back of a cab. And it just seems too theatrical at times with him. And for Cuomo, he's saying that he's one of the biggest takeaways or one of the newest things he's done is get on TikTok on social media. It's just he doesn't understand the younger generation. I don't think either of them do. I think Zoran Mamdani to the independent voter is just, you know, if I'm going to vote, I might as well vote for Mom Donnie since he's the only one. But they didn't spend enough time talking about his policies that are so

beyond radical, things that could actually sway voters away from him, which is the decriminalization of prostitution or bringing only fans culture, which is just so toxic. He wants this on the streets, like you want to turn New York into a third world country. And they didn't talk about this enough. They didn't bring it up enough. They didn't hammer him on it enough. I don't know. I don't think that they did enough that they should have done to push back on. him and his policies. I mean, this, he's literally the most radical candidate in the country right now when it comes to some of his policies. I want to, I want to give a point of that because this, this is a clip that I'll actually illustrate what you're saying. Playclip 305. He literally has

never had a job. On his resume, it says he interned for his mother. This is not a job for a first timer. Any day, you could have a hurricane, you're God forbid, a 9-11, a health. pandemic. If you don't know what you're doing, people could die. And if we have a health pandemic, then why would New Yorkers turn back to the governor who sent seniors to their death in nursing homes? That's the kind of experience that's on offer here today. What I don't have an

experience, I make up for an integrity. And what you don't have an integrity, you could never make up for an experience. I mean... Literally just torched him. One. Literally dropped. Yeah. Buried him. Yeah. Again, I mean, he basically just gave points over to the younger generation. For Gen Z, they're graduating college with a labor market that's

already shrinking with degrees and jobs that don't even exist. And so they see this candidate who's getting made fun of on a national stage for not having a job when most Gen Z can't even find jobs right now. So you just basically won him more points with the younger generation. And then on top of that, they just saw Zohan Mamdani absolutely destroy Cuomo. He, he, He's winning more points. Congratulations, Cuomo. Well, and I think Cuomo's problem is. That's exactly what I was going to ask you, because how does that, like, you think that's going to work with younger voters or do you think that's going to work with his base?

He's appealing. You're, you're burnishing his credentials to his core base by saying, oh, you, you've never had a real job. And it's like, well, neither have so many of them. That's kind of the whole point, right? And then you turn around and it's like, dude, you're a Cuomo. Like, you want to talk about somebody's dad and mom being famous. be getting a job like your whole career is based on nepotism so i mean it it is what it is like i just wouldn't open myself up and then he opens us off with covid which is like gonna which is going to blast him

with anyone who might still be undecided or independent i mean it like i i thought this guy was supposed to be a good politician i'm like not really sure what happened here well and i think look you have to pick a lane right you have to pick a lane and i think quamler problem is he's just all over the map i mean and when you're running as a change candidate the problem is the past that you want to change, you used to be governor. So you're running this whole campaign trying to call out that we need to fix things

because obviously New York is in the gutter at the moment and you have to then call out things from the past and to bring up COVID to me like that was just I mean everybody knows how bad he was on COVID, even people on the left. I mean, when I was in New York, so

do you guys remember you had to have the COVID pass just to literally eat right? Luckily, I won't want to admit. this on air because it might be a felony, but luckily I had a card on me and I was able to get into some restaurants. But like, that was horrific. And so many people, I don't care what side of the aisle you're on. They don't forget that stuff. And so you can't run as a change candidate if you were part of the things that you're now trying to change. It doesn't add up. Yeah, I just imagine if Cuomo hit back with a long list of, wait, aren't you the candidate for N-Cash bail, repeal walking while

trans band decriminalized sex work legalized marijuana permit safe injection sites state run grocery stores restrict solitary confinement enact elder parole re he could have hit him back but he i i don't i don't i don't i like i like i don't no his prep was like i'm going to hang out and i'm going to i'm going to beat him up because he never had a real job and i'm i'm i'm going to show how good i am I'm Andrew Cuomo and I'm going to do this and it's going to be great and and and I'm going to come in there and talk about all the things that I did when I was so I was the governor and and Trump and and and and and and and and and Trump and and and and and and and and it was the same type of attitude, which was like, where's. It was very Biden. Where's trying to connect with voters? It was very Bidenesque. Like his whole thing. It wasn't obviously as bad and and and you know, empty as Biden was. But it was the same type of attitude, which was like, but we're going to run. it back, like what I did with Obama and we're going to come back and we're going to do this all over again. And again, that just never works. Like, people just don't believe it. They don't believe that Cuomo was good to begin with. He's right now just like, I'm a little scared of Mom Dani.

And so I'm going to throw my vote his way, but he did nothing to actually show he's a qualified leader for any party and certainly not for the largest city in america i i would i would also point out one thing too is that his uh his intent to you know go after mom donnie seemed like it was just like axe grinding type stuff throughout the whole thing like he was just upset that democrats within the city had kind of cast him aside and again that just that's just we've seen this over and over again throughout American history. Whenever you try that, even when you're extraordinarily popular, people sense that and they sense the kind of self-righteousness when you're in that.

And that's all that came through tonight was, I'm great, just like Joe Biden would do, when he would talk, and everyone would be like, oh, no, Joe, stop talking. And it just comes across extraordinarily disingenuous. I think one of the biggest missteps from both not Montefat, but the other two was they really didn't paint him into the radical corner and to expose him for a lot of things. Mikey, you just read off a lot of the list. But the funniest part was the moment that showed me just how radical Mamdani is was not the others calling him out. It was him saying FDR was his favorite president. That to me was like, it's such a calculated response. But the fact

that he didn't say Obama, I was thinking to myself like, you know, I didn't know he had passed statements against Obama. I mean, this guy is about as far to the left as you can get. But that to me was a pretty big moment that he would say FDR over Obama. I don't really know what that says or who he's playing to, but that to me was pretty wild. I want to play this clip here because this is something that that Charlie talked about a lot. And here it is coming up live in the New York City mayoral debate. It's clip three, three, two. In the date in the Democratic primary for him to set foot in a He had more than 10 years, and he couldn't name a single mosque at the last debate we had that he visited. And what Muslims want in this city is what every community wants and deserves.

They want equality, and they want respect. And it took me to get you to even see those Muslims as part of this city. And that, frankly, is something that is shameful, and is why so many New Yorkers have lost faith in this politics. Yeah, except that is totally false. I worked with a Muslim community for many, many years. Name a single mosque you went to when you were the governor. Can you name a single mosque you went to in 10 years? Before you were ever here.

Before I was here. So we are, what, 24 years since 9-11, 2-and-half decades, give or take. And at the New York City mayoral debate, a serious question is being held an accusation. You didn't go to a mosque. How dare you not go to a mosque? Charlie always warned about the Islamization of America. I think that, and we were talking in the preview a little bit, with Andrew, that, you know, I think going to London

and seeing how far it had come and then coming back and realizing that that was coming to New York, I think that had a huge impression on him. And there you go. That's exactly what Charlie predicted, that that becomes a question and a huge moment inside the debate in New York City. It's self. Mikey, you were on that trip with him to Oxford and Cambridge when he came back and made those comments. Is that, is that something that you think really kind of drove where it was coming from?

Yeah, big time. But not just in London, which is now basically a third world Sharia hellhole. And when you're in your, yeah, exactly, London's done. When you're in your hotel room in London, you're going through the TV channels and you realize that they have Qatar. TV and they have Omar TV and they have and it goes down to LaSyria TV and they have every single Middle Eastern countries TV networks and you realize this is no longer London. This is no longer the United Kingdom. And recently, it's debated right now if Qatar actually owns more land in London than the royal family does. And I'm 99% sure that's true. And they're just buying up land nonstop. And it's not just in London. It's in Oxford. It was in Cambridge, both in the student body that we saw, but also in the towns. You'd see these beautiful towns that are picturesque from medieval England that have just been destroyed and desecrated by a big mosque that's blaring

music in the middle of the day like Dearborn, Michigan. And I think the trajectory is really scary here in America's biggest city, that the debate is about visiting a mosque. Charlie warned about this all the time, but what's going to be next? Did you as governor not approve Sharia law 10 years from now? I'm really worried the trajectory that this is headed. Charlie was a big advocate about warning of the Islamization of America. It's coming. It's a threat. They outbreed. They will take over everything they touch. And then the sword comes. So I think this is a big threat and a big warning sign to America that in America's biggest city this is a debate topic what what so let's let me ask one of the other old heads around here uh Cliff can you believe that we're sitting here

again two and a half decades after watching those towers come down finding out who did that and then and then this becomes a centerpiece of the debate New York same city yeah and like I said I I mean, this debate really didn't go deep on a lot of issues. So for them to spend so much time on this issue, you know, to me just shows that the party has kind of lost its way. No, I would have never guessed that, you know, two decades later that this becomes a topic that we discuss. But I agree with you guys. I mean, I went to London and I think the trips, when you see it, it's very different. I think Elon Musk was the first person to really post about it.

And I'm like, well, you know, but when you go there and you kind of see how they turn into third world countries with this endless immigration. And then we're looking at New York City, the finance capital of the world, and that's the topic of discussion. I mean, that should be a moment of self-reflection for all of us, right? We're not talking about lowering taxes. We're not talking about creating jobs. We're doing a litmus test on if a person running for political office has been in a mosque. I think that's a wild, wild interaction. Yeah, I would just point out, too, it's really scary what's going to be happening here to New York,

because we've talked a lot about the communization, whatever you want to call, adding more communism and socialism to the city. I mean, this guy is literally a member of DSA, the Democratic Socialists of America. These guys celebrate the Russian Revolution as a holiday. That's who these people are. They celebrate the Russian Revolution.

And we're going to see this complete change in New York of in groups and out groups with as far as culture goes, but as people are coming in, I mean, we're going to have an eradication of culture within New York City as we know it with people leaving the city. We already had literally hundreds of thousands of the people leave the city permanently from New York during COVID. And now you're going to have, because of the election of this mayor, tons of people leave, but it's not just the communism that you're going to see take place and take footing.

You're going to see a dramatic increase of Islam in the city. Certainly, I mean, and this isn't, you know, looking at this from just a pure racial standpoint or ethnic standpoint. It's just the facts that when you have somebody that represents the city, New York City, they're likely to attract more of that culture to the city. And if you have a ton of people leaving because they feel like communism is taking over the city, who is going to move into the city? And that's why the Islamization of London and other European cities is so in line with New York City where you're going to see this, you're going to have this really happen in a big way. It's the same way that we've seen it happen with different subgroups like in Toronto, like we just talked about London, within Berlin. cities that we've seen all over Europe, including Italy, where you have this infighting that's

happening, it's going to create such tension because culture is unstable and that people are leaving in such big numbers that it's going to be really, really bad. And what that means in the very simple terms for most that we're not really talking about very directly is crime is going to go up. There's going to be instability amongst our caregivers within the medical community. Police are going to struggle to fill jobs because when you have people leave the city, that's not just businessmen who don't like communism. It's also, you know, good Republican police officers and conservative police officers, whether they're conservative Democrats or their actual conservatives, they're going to be leaving the city and getting better jobs elsewhere within

communities that they feel more comfortable serving. So this is a real problem for New York City. There's a number of chain reactions that are going to take place that come from the decision of the Democrat Party to basically hand over all of the cultural elements to communists and Islamists. And that is what's going to start to make up the context of the future of the Democrat Party. And that, I mean, the winner here is the Republican Party if we can pull ourselves together and actually represent core values to American citizens in a very clear and concise and open way. But Mamdani is now going to beat the face, whether they like it or not, he will be the face of the Democrat Party in America. This is Lane Schoenberger, Chief Investment Officer and

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It's bad either way. By the way, if he eats with his, rice with his hands, whether he means it or not, he's either authentically gross or he's being a fake, disgusting person. And in some of the comments of a TikTok video I made, people said, but Charlie, who are you to judge other cultures? No, no, no, no. That's the point. We in Western culture believe that our way of life is the best.

We're better than Muhammadism. We don't do female genital mutilation. Well, I guess the trans people do, but we don't do female general mutilation. We in the West don't have child marriages. We don't believe in honor killings. We don't believe in polygamy. We believe in American exceptionalism. We believe our culture is better.

You see, in the modern world, happiness is the goal, feelings are the guide, judgment is the ultimate sin, and God is the ultimate guess. And let me say that again, judgment is the ultimate sin. You're not allowed to judge others. Guess what? I'm going to judge you if you eat rice with your hands. That's bad. That's wrong. Assimulation is a necessity, not a suggestion. So good. Man. the part where he where he corrected himself on the fly he's like we don't do female general mutilation well except for the trans I was like oh no well listen Charlie's Charlie's line on authenticity I really think you know Trump showed us that people do care about authenticity I think that's a big reason why Trump won in 24 but it's also a problem when the other side the evil side is beating us at the authenticity game I think tonight's debate showed that. I think the most authentic person on that stage, based on no

politics, no policies, but just watching them, hearing them, was Mondani. It was the same thing with Obama. People thought he was authentic. We can disagree with their politics all day. So sometimes it helps us, and I think Charlie's right, though, you know, what is the authenticity pushing towards? Is it pushing towards radicalism, where we want to have government as our guide, or is it pushing towards free enterprise, free markets, the things America was founded on? But that's the thing with authenticity. It does go both ways. Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's Nietzsche's re-evaluation of values.

And it's just, I, Charlie is the best. I love, I could listen to him every day all day. And I do listen to him every day all day. But it's just the whole, you know, that's offensive to other cultures. You can't, no, he's spot on. We don't do that here. You can go back to where you came from to go do that. but in America we do not eat with our hands we do not poop on the streets like there there is a

there's a line that you cross that we just we have to lay the line truth is truth and we need to have our standards and you do not cross those standards and i was talking to a big donor this last week and he said look listen i i when i give i disagree with a lot of the people i give to but nobody you're ever going to be aligned with you're going to agree with 100% as long as i agree with you 60% of the time. That's great. As long as the 40% isn't make communism great again, you can count on my support. And that's kind of the mentality that we need. Let's be real, Siliwa needs to kind of drop out of the race and endorse Cuomo. But I don't blame him. Like, why would you want to drop out of the race and endorse this candidate that it's kind of a

joke? Was a joke as governor and is going to be a joke as mayor? And it's, again, that Nietzsche's reevaluation values, this is why Mamdani is so appealing to those people that are saying, that's offensive to other cultures. That's racist. These are the people that are going to vote for Mamdani because he is changing the standards in a bad way. We are not going to move forward as a society. We're going to move back as a society as backwards as a society because he's changing the norms. He's changing what we stand for in America. Like eating with a fork. I mean, so much with that it's just demographics is destiny right and i remember um jd vans had this clip i've don't time to pull it up right now but he was talking about how you know there's so much of

the demographic that voted for mondani it's your it's your like young urban creatives your gen z but then also so many recent migrants from uh from south asia and whereas like quomo in the primary that they held he got a lot of blacks he got a lot of Hispanics and so it's sort of like that was the actual working class vote that went for Cuomo and then instead it was these you know the artsy urban creative types Scott Greer has this great line he calls them the yuckies why you see like as opposed to the yuppies the young urban professionals and that the yuppies weren't really going for Lamdani at all it's it's these these yucky types the artists and again just these you know the migrants and so for some reason after 9-11 we decided just

open up our borders and we were going to get into a war with the middle east but then also invite the middle east to come into our country and then Barack Obama put that on absolute steroids and started just like mass importing whole populations like the Somalians and others directly to the Midwest and you know now we've got like thousands of Haitians in, you know, Springfield, Ohio and all the rest of it. And you look at a city like New York, how could it happen? How could it happen? Well, there you go.

And if you want to take about, you know, talk about, you know, the, the demographic replacement. And it's like, it's not a theory. It's just the description of something that's happening. And we can all see it and, you know, write me up again about it. Write me up again. It's just the truth. It reminds me of Dr. James Orr's tweet, which was such a good tweet that when he was in town, I printed it out.

like, Dr. Orr, would you please sign this for me? Import the Arab world. Yeah, of course. Why wouldn't you? Look, I'll get you a copy next time I see him, Jack, because I know you're secretly jealous. But import the Arab world. Like, we had dinner, and I didn't realize that he was signing tweets. Yeah, yeah, well, you could have asked, you know.

I should have. You should have. Now the only solution is for you to travel to Cambridge and get it signed. But his tweet was, import the Arab world, become the Arab world. And this is happening actively in America right now. Dr. Orr, the UK is probably 10, 15 years ahead, maybe less, probably less than we are in the trajectory that we are headed. But it's definitely happening. And when Charlie and I were in Maine this couple months ago, we spent a day in Portland and we were talking to police officers.

And the police officers said there are so many Muslims coming here and Somalians that we will get police calls where we check in on a house. And it's a one bedroom, one bathroom house or apartment. And when we come in, there's 18 Somalians and they're beating up one woman or there's trash everywhere and there's feces on the ground. This is happening right now in America. And the mayor of South Portland at the exact same time that this was happening, the police officer said, she was a Muslim. This is happening. While you are getting elected Muslim officials to office, there are Muslim. in Arabs and the Somalians coming in and living in 18 of them living in a one bedroom house

beating up women. They don't have the same values that we have as Americans. And that's why Mamdani is he's kind of appealing to some of these immigrants because they see their third world mentality in him. And they're hoping, well, maybe he can make this a little bit more like our home that we came from. And then when our home. Speaking of our third world mentality. Speaking of third world mentality, it wanted to play clip 336. It's genocide. And I find the comments that Hassan made on 9-11 to be objectionable and reprehensible. And I also think that part of the reason why Democrats are in the situation that we are in,

of being a permanent minority in this country. So that's that's Hassan Piker on his live stream tonight, watching himself get disavowed by his, his little boy, Mom Donnie. so he's disavowing him on in in the debate itself and that's that's him watching and he needs that little that little pat on the back from that i don't even know what his little sidekick is it's like he's like a mini hasan jack let me ask the question i asked earlier before the debate but i want to ask it now to tyler and mikey do we think in any world it is a good thing for mom donnie to win and you guys know what i'm talking about to have an actual poster child that is elected and to see the

results of socialism earlier on the show we said no we all agreed on that but it's an honest discussion right it's an honest question does him winning and creating a actual hey look this is what socialism is that a net negative net benefit what do you guys think yeah i i i mean it could rally the troops i guess but i i i don't know like i'm really worried about that if he wins which he most likely will i think that republicans this is going to be a wake-up call for them when they see the trajectory that New York is headed in, what actually happens. But I would like to see how much he actually pulls through on some of his promises. Do we actually think that state-run grocery stores will happen under Mom Donnie? Or is he just

saying this to kind of get elected? I think it's a lot of talk versus what he will actually do. But I do think that, yeah, if New York becomes the hellhole of America and a third world pocket of our country, then, yeah, I definitely would be a wake-up call the Republicans, but why do we need that? Why can't we just have action now? Why doesn't the donor class wake up and fight this immediately now? Why don't the Republicans fight this right now instead of waiting for this to fester into a pocket of a third world country in our biggest city in America to wait for action to take place? It's just a little confusing to me for a lot of people. So I do agree with with you like obviously defeating communism is good letting america's greatest city fall to communism

is bad but tyler look you've been putting together the turning point action 26 plan midterms obviously are right around the corner um i'd be remiss if i didn't mention virginia and new jersey uh something about 19 days away 18 days away huge huge um elections going on working hard in a new jersey in uh in north jersey this sunday but tyler let's you know talking about the midterms if montani is the mayor do you think that would have an effect on the midterms and the way it plays out yeah for sure is i mean and probably the best analogy is uh when your favorite restaurant closes down nobody really is really happy about that for whatever reason there's a lot of different reasons people close down restaurants uh sometimes they just runs their core

sometimes the the people who own or retire sometimes you know COVID and 2020 happens in BLM it's hard to dance um and you can never go back that restaurant is permanently damaged or closed but what the natural the natural impact that happens is that happens is that that people go other places. They go elsewhere. They stand up. They eat elsewhere. They open up new restaurants and new places. And that's what we're going to see happen coming out of New York, whether we like it or not. I don't think anyone celebrates or enjoys the fact that their favorite restaurants now closed, but they are going to have to go other places. The question is, is our Americans going to defend those other restaurants. So the old one, or the new one,

doesn't close like the old one did. And that's the real problem that we have in America right now is that we have a lot of people who have taken themselves, their community for granted. They haven't got involved and are active enough. They haven't defended the local public policy that has enabled Cretans to come in and really dismantle the culture of America. And you have to keep, again, keep supporting and loving your local, legislators, your local city council members, your local school board members, recruiting them, running yourself for those positions in order to protect your community. And unfortunately, the story of New York City is that that has all been handed away.

And that is why you are where you were at in New York City now. And that also means that people are going to go elsewhere. And New Jersey and Connecticut are going to see huge spikes in conservatism, both moderate and conservative Democrats and conservatives. The question is, again, are the Republicans going to take those people in, embrace them, and then convert them to be permanent members and fixtures of the party and say, no more of this, we're going to have a new community here that it protects culture instead of allow all the again like I said these cretons to come in and hijack your community

and that's to be seen but I think people are going to look back at this and say that was not a good thing that New York has gone the direction that it's gone whether it benefits to Republican Party or not this is going to be very disruptive and dismantling to our culture it's going to create friction that's not good and healthy for America It's going to create more violence. It's going to create more animosity between Americans, people who think America is something different than culturally what it actually is and has been. And that's a real problem for America. Well, and look, it gives for the midterms, I'll say for 26, you know, as we see New York do this, it will give people something to push against.

Look, the very first thing that Ondami is going to do, if and when he gets elected mayor. You know, we'll see. We'll see. New York may go otherwise. But I think the very first thing he does day one is block any cooperation with ice. He will absolutely turn New York back into the sanctuary city that it was prior to Eric Adams, where people were just, remember this. They were flooding the streets. They were going through hotels. They were getting like taxpayer-funded vouchers for sleeping in hotels all over the place. you're going to see that happen again again immediately so there's going to be this huge and by the way that's why they talked about we didn't mention this they talked about trump more than anything else during the entire debate and why because they want they know that uh that if trump gets you know trump's still president the day of this election they can turn it into a referendum on trump and then make it be this you know thorn in the side of donald trump the mayor of new york the mayor of donald trump city refuses to agree with him refuses to endorse him refuses to go along with him ice, et cetera, et cetera. You know, and they're going to deny the National Guard. They're going to have standoffs. It's going to be, I could see a scenario where a Mondami, you know, mayoral term, mayoral tenure turns a lot of New York into the New Portland. I can really see that.

It's going to be worse, Jack. It's going to be worse than Portland. And you know why it's going to be worse than Portland is because you, you already have massive racial tensions and a scenario within New York that is far more of a hotbed for crime and criminal activity. You have significantly more people, obviously, which always causes massive disruption. You have a historic New York Police Department and Fire Department that has relied on the backs of multi-generational talent that has kept that city safe and guess what all those people are going to probably finally make the decision to leave and this is really again i cannot bring this back enough is that a community is not a community built on just ideas and looks and and and just

values it's it's a culture that is sewn together with heritage and again multiple generations of people standing together to build something special and new york has existed and worked for this many years because again you've had a lot of people that have dedicated themselves to public service and i just don't see i i cannot we've heard it from people i mean we've seen it from people they got an injection of that post nine 11 9-11 cause people to turn their hearts back to the city. The difference between, you know, that happening nearly 25 years ago after this next year and to where we are today is that people's hearts are turning away from the city.

You have COVID where you have a candidate that's on stage who literally killed, had people oversaw people dying within the city, that they were forced to die within the city because they wouldn't properly take care of them, they wouldn't institute policies that were, you know, both freedom loving and then also, you know, using just, you know, cooler, letting cooler heads prevail. And you now have a candidate who's going to become New York, or New York City's mayor, who is going to radicalize the city in such a way that there's not going to be very many people left that are going to keep that, that culture together. And so we're going to see just a complete departure and representation of what New York City looks like.

It's going to change dramatically and drastically. And there's going to be a lot of heartache and sadness in the tri-state area for people to say, well, that's what New York City used to be. Or I remember how New York City was and now look at it today. And that's what the next 20 years is probably going to look like because Mom Donnie is just the beginning of this. This is not something that's going to get corrected very quickly because of the Democratic Socialists of America. Yeah, back to what Cliff said just on what the reaction will be in the country. I feel like there should already be a massive reaction to this because following the 2024 presidential election,

you would have thought that the left would move a little less radical on their policies since the huge 80-20 issue of men and women's bathrooms and other radical stances that they've taken lost them, the presidency and the Senate, et cetera. And you would think that they would take less radical stances, but they're not. And you see Mom Donnie coming in with these crazy, crazy stances. But then on top of that, what's really scary about this that I think Republicans need to spend more time talking about is the fact that this is a municipal power that he's threatening BDS against Israel and that he would arrest the leader of a foreign nation if he stepped foot in New York City. Since when has a municipal power acted in this way? And if this is the way Mamdani is going

and this is the way the left is going in the Democratic Party, what is going to continue, not just in New York, but across the country with candidates running for office across the country and their stances, how are they going to abuse their power and are they going to continue to move further and further left? I just think that not enough. if Republicans are really warning about the trajectory of this. Mikey, let me make a plug. I never get to make. Just real quick, Jack.

This is why local elections matter. Okay, I've been trying to say this. Me and Tyler can debate this forever. Obviously, we've got to do the big national races. But local elections, this mayoral race, obviously it's not that local. It's a New York City mayor race. But this is why Republicans need to adopt the strategy of the left, which is building a bench, building a minor leagues,

and understand that we need America First Patriots across the country to run at the local level. School board, dog catcher, I don't care what it is, countywide, especially state level. But if you want to really enact change, these local races are the way to do it because it takes less money, it takes less of a grassroots,

but you're not dealing with the big money that you deal with when you run the federal races. I've been dying to say this on Charlie's show for probably two years, but local races matter, and I think tonight's debate shows you, It has an outsized impact, and it helps you to build the bench for the future. There you go.

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