The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 103 — Halloween Traditions? The End of DST? Boomer Space Communism

Episode Date: November 1, 2025

Andrew, Jack, Blake, and Danny dive into the biggest topics of the end of October, including:   -Is it time to destroy Daylight Savings Time once and for all? -Is America being bankrupted by "Boomer Space Communism?" -Is Halloween okay for Christians, or a demonic danger?   Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yes, that's right, Mischief Night, the Night before All Hallows Eve. And we've got an illustrious panel, and I want to kind of ask about that. So we've got Blake Neff. He has returned from the nunnery. What's up, Blake? Oh, and it's doing great, Jack. I've even got the Macy's Blazer on right now. The only blazer I'm ever allowed to own.

The one and only, yeah, the famous one. No, we had reported earlier in the last couple of weeks that you were planning on joining the nunnery. They kicked you out, if I understand, there was an incident. Yeah, you know, it turns out you've got to be a woman to join. and that's a big it's a big technicality the fine print that always gets you yeah and and they're pretty they're pretty big sticklers on that it turns out it's the fine print that always gets you and we have the great Danny Phillip here it's up brother good to be on let's see thought crime debut here we go we're allowing Ohio state fans on to the panel now

I don't know if we're ever going to recover from this blow to our prestige national champions and I believe is and Andrew Colvette will be joining us but he's he's very busy crying about Dodgers right now. Yeah, it's not looking good for them. It's looking like they could lose to the team Canada. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I mean, if the LA Dodgers lose to team, we'll rhythm about it when he gets here, but losing and disgracing the United States, I mean, that's just, that's just Andrew for

you. You know, that's just Andrew. We got to, got to hand it to Andrew. But wait, so do you guys, so now, now, do you guys have mischief night where you're from? Do you have any idea what I'm talking about when I say mischief? night by the way. No, it sounds like some weird Philly thing. Yeah, not a clue. Yeah, but that's so funny. So mischief night or and so I'd love people should throw out whether or not they have it.

So in some areas of the country, it's called mischief night. In some areas of this is like it's total regional thing. In some areas, it's called, I believe Devils Night. That's Michigan, I think, Michigan, right? Apparently in most of the, yeah, in Michigan, but apparently in most of the country it's not celebrated at all this is the night before halloween and so when i was growing up this was like every single october 30th this is what you i mean not that i would ever partake in such a uh you know horrific and painful and and obviously wrong ritual um where where you would you would go out and commit mischief so like kids would go out and commit mischief um and it's like it's very much like i'm looking at the map right now it's like new jersey

Philadelphia, Delaware, and that's it, where you go out and you commit mischief, T-Ping trees and houses, egging houses, I think in the New York area that you would as well a little bit. And then Devil's Night is a night for it in Michigan. And then some of the other parts of the country have just random names for it, but it's not quite as big. And the, you know, the, the, the, apparently, you know, it's in the film The Crow. It's in the film The Crow. And, Um, but apparently in the rest of the country, it's just like totally not a thing at all. I'm not. I would, so like what kind of, what kind of mischief are we talking about here?

Is this like TEP in people's houses? Is this like putting up Pittsburgh Steelers decals on their cars? Is this putting, I mean, doing that Ohio state is kind of like, I mean, what kind of mischief did the Poso brothers do? I mean, the Poso brothers have never done anything for mischief night other than sit out and defend our home. from those who might perform mischief on us. So I may have hidden in my tree a couple of times trying to catch people who were coming in on a few nights. No, but it's a huge thing in the Philly area.

And people go around, you even get to a point where, like, people were, you know, they'd go out, like, taking baseball bats to mailboxes and stuff like that. And look, if you're going to do anything that's permanent damage, that's just completely bad for them. You don't want to do permanent, bad damage to mischief night. But apparently this is the thought crime because I did not realize that, you know, growing up, it's so incredibly normalized where I'm from that it's like I don't need, I don't know if people still, you know, do it as much. It's not quite as big.

We know, obviously, we live in the age of like ring cameras now. So I feel like that would probably put a little bit of a damper on it. But, you know, you run around, you go around with masks, you run with hood. It's not exactly like it's hard to defeat a ring camera. But I don't know, if people are in the chat or sending in emails, let us know, did you ever celebrate Mischief Night or Devil's Night? Do you think that's something that you would let your kids do? I don't know that I'd let my kids do it. But if my kids went out, you know, I mean, they're too young for it right now. If they went out to defend the household, I would certainly say that. I know, I'm from downtown Chicago, so I feel like every night is Mischief Night. Yeah, yeah, that seems correct. But, yeah, so I don't know. I may be more used to.

to it than you even jack well see that's that's the difference but it's it's it's mischief night right it's not like it's not like wanton crime we're going to shoot up the town kind of night supposedly i'm just pulling this up apparently it came from england in the 19th century and was originally linked to mayday or guy fox night of course november 5th which is coming up and when kids would play play pranks and minor vandalism which was once tolerated as part of the festival and this was brought to North America, throwing eggs or toilet paper, soaping windows, knocking over trash cans, ding-dong ditch, moving porch furniture, writing on car windows with shaving cream. It's meant to be prankish, not destructive, though in some places like Detroit's infamous

Devil's Night in the 70s to 90s, it escalated to serious vandalism and arson. Apparently in New England, they call it cabbage night, which just sounds horrible. That's really lame. After the practice of throwing old cabbage, wow, that's pretty, you know, it's pretty wild up there for the New Englanders. You guys throwing out the old cabbage. And then upstate New York, they call it gate night. Oh, get ready for this because in upstate New York, they get really crazy. They unlatch the gates on farms, which actually, if you have, like, cows, that could be really bad.

Yeah, that actually sounds really dangerous. People could hit those cows. Yeah, they could be, like, really bad and dangerous. You know, the bigger thing about this is, like, you know, we're wondering. if people do these accessories to Halloween, but the real decay in America is people barely do Halloween anymore. So I'm going to give my public service announcement to everyone involved. Trunk or treat is not Halloween, period.

Like, it is not real Halloween if you just go to a bunch of people in a parking lot and get candy. Wait, what did you call it? We do the trunk or treat. Trunk or treat. Trunk or treat. Yeah, no, we do trunk or treat. But we do it. Wait, what I always thought it was trick or treat.

So it's trick-or-treat when you do it for real. It started during COVID. It's a new thing. No, it predates COVID because it's not even a health thing. It's a paranoid parent thing. It really like really took off during COVID. Yeah, yeah. And it's just gotten worse in general.

Everyone's paranoid. They all hate their neighbors. They don't trust anyone. So nobody does normal trick-or-treat. I can't remember the last time I've actually had trick-or-treaters come to a place I live because no one really does it anymore. It's actually very sad. Or is it just because they know you live there?

Also possible. Also possible. But I'm usually pretty good at covering up my home address. Yeah, I've spent the last four years living on a college campus, so the only people coming to my house are probably looking for alcohol. Not really candy. So I'm not used to that either. Yeah, I drink too.

I'm reading the chat, by the way. I am seeing people saying they remember, they remember mischief night. I'm seeing people these days kids do that every day, no shame. They'll throw knives instead of eggs. There's a guy right here. When I was a child, they would burn down Detroit for Devil's Night. Okay, that's obviously not what we're going. It's obviously not what we're going for here.

Leave it to Detroit, of course. But no, it's, yeah, again, Detroit, right? But no, seriously, mischief night, huge thing. It was always kind of a lot of fun. You would like go to your, I don't know, sometimes it would be your buddy's house or sometimes it could be your rival's house. Again, so I hear in Minecraft that this would be done to, to, to, you know, to kind of like get back at people

and then you would, and then you would bounce off from there. Yeah, I'm just, yeah, I'm really upset about this trunk or treat trend. And I actually, the funny thing is it's not even just me being carmudgeonly. I think it actually is a real indicator of the decline of America. And it's funny because people will say it's about safety. And yet Americans felt much more fine doing trick or treating when America was, you know, a less safe country. Like most frankly, I'll be frank. most of you live in a place where it would be perfectly safe for your children to go door to door ringing doorbells.

Just period. Most of you live in a place where it's safe enough to do that, especially if everyone else is doing it. And people just are not doing it. And that is a decline in the American spirit. It's a decline in American community. And we need to revive the Halloween tradition. I'm sorry. This is a matter of national security. See, I didn't even know what trunk or treat was. was because they still do it in downtown Chicago as far as I know. Like we did it my entire childhood. No, trunk or treat is huge. Trunker treat is, you know, coming from a guy who has kids. We've probably done at least two, we've done two already this year. Blake, we've done two trunk retreats already. I'm sorry. But we entirely plan to go trick-or-treating as well.

So it's not like, it's not like we're replacing it. Okay. As long as you also trick-or-treating. As long as you all is a trick-or-treat, but most, a pretty large share of people are only just, they're doing trunk-or-treat on Halloween or the night before or sometime around it, and that's it. That is the extent of their Halloween effort, and it greatly upsets me. No, that's absolutely garbage. And it's, and by the way, it's totally cool. I see people in chat, they're saying, you know, they're saying, well, what if you do it at your church for fellowship? That's great. That's totally fine.

I love that. We do that at our church. We do that at my kid's school. We had one that was sort of like a local, just a local trunk or treat. There's also one that we usually go to. We didn't make it to this year, though, at a drive-in movie theater. And at the same time, though, we are going to be doing, we're going to be doing regular trick-or-treating as well. Now, we do, now here's the question, though.

This could be a thought crime. And I know we have like a much longer Halloween discussion later, but is it, oh, is it appropriate to go trick-or-treating outside of your neighborhood. What do you think about that? Like, how far? When I was a kid, we would generally walk around our neighborhood, but

our parents would have a car and we would sometimes drive a little ways away, but it would still probably count as our neighborhood. We weren't driving to the other side of Sioux Falls or anything like that. But I guess you're imagining, like, if you drove to the rich part of town where they'd give out like whole candy bars. Yeah, because that's the whole thing, right?

Like, if you go to the, if you go to the part town where they give out the full-size candy bars and everybody knows where it is, right? It's, I feel like it's probably not okay. It's probably not okay if you're just doing that out of, you know, out of like trying to take, you know, candy from rich people. But if you're, I don't know, if you're invited to like a party that's in that area, then I don't think that would be as bad, right? I don't have a strong issue with it.

I obviously, you should probably be sent to the geek. guillotine if you do the like if they leave out the bowl and you raid the entire bowl which some people do that's horrifying that is demonic and yeah in chicago i think you go to hell if you do that i don't know in chicago tell it tell us about chicago what's chicago halloween like it's uh i feel like it's pretty normal at least how i thought we would trick or treat just walk around we never drove anywhere because everything's so close together in chicago um but we would i mean growing up we used to go to the rich neighborhoods that had like the king size bars whatever but then a certain group of people ruined that every year um so that that stopped but um

yeah i mean i felt like it was pretty normal in chicagos i never heard of this trunk or treat any of that so when you say chicago where where do you really mean in chicago lincoln park so actually in this city so i'm not like a suburb i'm not from chicago all right i got to look up where that is it's like the north part of the city it's like three or four miles yeah they shall remain nameless, but a certain group of people ruined almost every Halloween in the rich, in rich areas. That's unfortunate. Constantly causing trouble.

Yeah. You know, we had some, we had to do something about the Amish. Our neighborhood had a few memorable people. We had the guys who gave out full candy bars, of course. But the one I remember, we had a house maybe, it'd be the equivalent of about maybe two or three blocks away

from where I live, but, you know, kind of you get these circuitous roads in Sioux Falls. But this guy, he had made a bunch of money, I think, during the original 1.0.com boom in the late 90s. And he had an absolutely monstrous set of lights for every holiday. Like, would fully decorate the house and lawn.

I think he had to pay someone to do it because it was such a thing. He had a whole separate unit for storing all of his lights. And he would do this for Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, Valentine's Day. I believe he even did it for St. Patrick's Day.

There was a good, Fourth of July, of course. I think a good six to eight holidays a year He fully decked out everything And so for Halloween, of course He had a very legendary setup And I believe he was a full candy bar Giver outer person So I think there'd be a line at his house

I never understood why people Spend so much or go so crazy decorating For Halloween No, but you see Out of all like out of all holidays I feel like Halloween should be lower on the totem pole It's just some people

we're having that debate when Andrew gets here you know we should we should be in favor of that this is actually a powerfully ancient thing it is a good thing when private citizens feel the drive to like create goods for everyone to consume

and a very mild form of that is making your house look really cool for everyone like who visits it or walks by it or goes up to it it is a powerful public good when people want their houses to look really sweet and that's awesome we should encourage it i i am fully in favor of everyone goes nuts on christmas lights everything like that we've got a we've got a house on our block um where they've got

lights up that are up like um 365 days a year and so what they do with their lights it's kind of interesting they they have like i guess it's programmable because they can change colors and what they'll do is depending on it's kind of like what you were just saying about your your neighbor but What they'll do is it's always the same set of lights, but then they can just change the color scheme for whatever the holiday is. So if it's St. Patrick's Day, they could turn it all green. If it's if it's Halloween, they can make it. I think right now it's like orange and purple.

So it's actually kind of nice. Like you only have to decorate once and then they just stay up. Jack, we've got a don't know message from Big Man S-17. Is that season 17? Uh-oh. Like the Simpsons or something. Oh, that would only be halfway through the Simpsons. They've been a long time.

He says, I've seen some people. say that it is demonic for a kid to put on a Hulk costume because it is putting on a new identity laugh emoji, I think a face palm emoji,

and a dude emoji. I like that combo of emojis. And yeah, I mean, that's the thing, though. It's like, it's not a new identity for the Hulk. He still is Bruce Banner. He just is really angry. Unless you're doing the she-hulk, because that TV show was awful, and she was like,

this woke girl. They made She Hulk like a lawyer. I think she's a lawyer even in, I think she's a lawyer in the original comics. Not that I would read comics because I'm a cool person Is it bad that I don't even know any of this? Do you, do you know who the Hulk is? I know who the Hulk is. I don't know.

Really? Name 15 Hulk villains. No idea. Red Hulk? Red Hulk? Abomination. He's just Hulk? Wolverine. Wolverine? Like uglier? Interesting. Yeah, was never into this. growing up. Wolverine's original appearance was as an enemy to Hulk.

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In addition to Halloween coming up, we also have daylight savings time this weekend. But although actually we're turning off daylight savings time. So we're currently in daylight savings time right now. We're going to be turning that off. And for only four months of the year now, we are going back to natural time, to God's order time. God's time. And that time, for some reason, we decide to play. God for for eight months of the year. And so Blake, you know, we've talked about this a number

of times on the show. And I think we actually have a clip of Charlie talking about it. Let's play clip 300. I'm not a fan of daylight savings time. Falling back, springing forward should just remain the same time throughout the entire year. In fact, we should spring forward even more so that the fall, it's the opposite. I never understood that in the most depressing time of weather, we also made it darker intentionally. Who thought of this thing? Makes zero sense.

Now, I know you're going to say it's Benjamin Franklin and all this. No way. He was too smart for this. I think it's a Nicole Hannah-Jones conspiracy against Benjamin Franklin. There's no way. I'm not sure where he's going with that because he would appreciate. Charlie would appreciate the real people who came up with like savings time are basically evil like Woodrow Wilson and you know centralized government

cabal I think it came out during World War I and then FDR brought it back from his evil scheme to uh like it was one of his like big government new deal ideas they thought it would stimulate the economy I'm not making this up they thought it would stimulate the economy if there was more light later because people would shop more that was the reasoning and people come up with these weird things where they say it's because of farmers and all I would say is have you ever met a farmer? Does the cow need to be milked? Does the cow follow daylight savings time when you milk it? Does the corn follow daylight savings time? No. No, they follow this thing that God gave us called the sun. And so if you're a farmer, you get up when the sun comes up. Why are we making it

though darker earlier in the morning. Daylight saying time seems so much better. Especially if you're from the Midwest where it gets dark at 4 p.m. God made it so that the noonday sun is directly over our heads. And man in his arrogance tries to move it later.

And that is we will be held accountable for this decision. You've never experienced Chicago February then. And Andrew's here, but I think the problem with this was when they because they tried to do daylight savings year round ones. And they said, we'll stop changing it. We'll keep it daily savings year round. And then the

problem was in some parts, particularly the northern parts of the country, it wasn't getting, the sun wasn't coming up until like 8.30, 9 a.m., like well beyond the time that like kids had to go to school and people had to go to work. And it was just horrible. It's absolutely horrible. And so the goal is to try to get it so that sunrise is generally around the same nominal time every day. And so this is also why Andrew Huberman, So at the great Huberman, we know Charlie is a huge fan of his, was always and has maintained that he is in favor of getting rid of daylight savings time completely because it is healthier for you to have light earlier. He said, this actually is better for your circadian rhythms. This is better for you naturally.

It is obviously what God ordained. And we are the ones who try to play God by shifting our time to move with the seasons rather than actually just use the seasons as they were given. but then it's like pitch black dark when you're coming home from school so i never understood that argument because yes it's light going there but then on the way back it's dark out so one of them is going to be dark anyway we would get back at like four or fifteen from the bus yeah real quick before we go to andrew here uh big man gave us another five dollar donation he says my name is kade but rumble won't let me change my name god bless charlie god bless you guys thank you for doing this show my brothers thank you kade thank you very much andrew are you in favor of the of the

cabal that defies the new day sun you know because you guys used to always gang up on charlie i would just sort of pick his side in this because i will say i hate when we fall back when you when you fall back it's very aggressive however i thought about this a long time and i understand huberman's argument and i actually have started to do exactly what jack is saying when in the morning, I'll actually seek out sunlight to help me wake up because I have to now for the show and stuff. Well, I heard that it was really good for you. So I started doing it. And it does tend to perk you up. And so my thinking is evolved on this. I think I would love to give it a shot to try standard time all the year, all year long because I realize if we did that, then you wouldn't

have that abrupt fall back, which is the part that everybody hates. Everybody hates when it gets dark at like four o'clock in the afternoon. That's what everybody hates. That's what everybody hates. But if you were, it's like the frog boiling in a, you know, a pot of boiling water slowly, right? You, you slowly gradually get to it, so you won't hate it as much. Now, if you, it's, it's the, it's the abruptness of it. Shaginauer says, keep God's time year round. Amen. Yeah, so I do it.

In our arrogance, in this secular age, we have revolted against God's ordained time for humanity. And I don't, I don't think God likes to be mocked. I think we can list off God will not be mocked The men who built the tower of Babel The city of Sodom The city of Gomorrah Like what if

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed Because they were doing daylight savings time I think this has to be explored Why were they destroyed Blake I mean it might be what I just said Jack Or do you want to be more Do you want to be more specific

I don't know Like that's what happens The angels visited lot And then the men assembled outside And they said Send those men out here because we want to check their watches and see what time it is and move it an hour forward. That is what they might have been sundial, wrist, wrist dials at the time because wrist sundials.

Man, just I can't believe these evil things. Oh, Jack, do you want to interrogate Andrew on one of your, your Halloween thought crime? Oh, I do actually. By the way, I just wanted to say, I'm sorry I'm late. Complicated business. We, yeah, we had, we've got, we're doing a whole thing. here today. And actually, Jesse Waters, I tweeted about it, is doing his show live from Turning Point HQ. So I had to go do that. It was an honor. I didn't have to. I got to. But anyways, go ahead, Jack. So here's my question. So I was asking, do you know what holiday

tonight is? It's not All Saints. It's a, it's not, hold on. All Saints comes after, doesn't it? It's the... All Saints comes after. So what is the night before Halloween? Shoot, I forgot. And, like, when you were growing up, when you were growing up, did you have anything tonight? Did you call it anything tonight?

No, we didn't. Although we are, I'm a cradle Catholic, so we probably should have, but I don't think my family was... No, it's not. It's not a Catholic thing. Okay, I figured it was, because, you know, you're into that sort of Catholic stuff. No, I don't know. What's the answer? So, no, so when I was growing up in, apparently this is like a Philadelphia and New Jersey thing.

This is, this is like the Texas June 10th or something. It's like the June 10th thing, right? It's not Juneteen. No, it's not Juneteen. No, I just said, it's like, it's a real holiday. It's, by the way, can we just all acknowledge that June 10th was like Charlie's least favorite holiday? Because it's not a real holiday. But it's not a holiday. Yeah, what was your Philadelphia tasty cakes version of Halloween the night before?

No, it's not Halloween. It's the night before Halloween. We said it earlier before you got here, but we called it Mischief Night. And so this was a night that, like, kids would go out and perform mischief and, like, pranks and stuff, like, in the town. Like T-P to, you know, people you knew or whatever. And apparently, we were just looking up. Apparently, it comes from, like, England and in the 19th century. And so it's called Mischief Night, and I pulled this map up where it's, it's like, it's like, it's like,

a little bit of New York, but then New Jersey, Philadelphia, Delaware, and then Michigan, it's called Devil's Night, but apparently the rest of the country has, like, nothing tonight. Michigan's a terrible state. For me, it's like October 30th is like, this is the night. You've got to be on guard, because if you get caught lacking on mischief night, like, you're going to be in trouble. You're with big trouble. Mischief.

That just sounds like a left-wing state would get into that. I would say, wait, now, if it came from England, that makes sense why I would be in New England mostly. I don't understand the Michigan tie-in. Well, apparently in New England they call it Cabbage Night, which is just awful. What? Well, that Middick, the whole Ossela Corridor. You know what I mean?

There's like a whole throwing cabbage thing out thing, but it's no, it's it was always a lot of, uh, so I hear it was a lot of fun for the people who would do it. Not that, not that myself or my brother would ever be caught doing such a thing as this. You are not, you are not

uh, hooligans in the slightest. Actually, I do want to, just really quick, here we go. Who in our audience, two questions, Freedom at Charliekirk.com, freedom at Charlieherkirk.com. I want to know two things. I want to know, one, who's ever heard of this mischief night or cabbage night stuff? Secondly, I want to know if you want to keep daylight savings time or if you want to try standard time all year long. Those are the two questions. Send us your emails.

Freedom at Charliekirk.com. Freedom at Charliekirk.com. I actually want to know the daylight savings. I have just absolutely never heard of Cabbage Night. No, nobody's ever heard of Cabbage Night. What Jack's not telling you, too, is he used to hide in trees and terrorize all the kids in the neighborhood, apparently. I did not terrorize the kids. I was defending the home.

Were you an actual kid when you did this, or was this? No, this was last year. On creepy adult aged. This was last year. Probably after I crossed into, like, the teenage high school years. Oh, buddy. Well, we don't judge you. we don't judge you

maybe a little bit maybe a little bit yeah yeah all right so we're getting it in no and it's and by the way there's a there's a whole movie about this you can go watch Mischief Night I think there's like two movies about it

and it's it's famously in the crow it's if you watch the movie the crow from the 90s it's it's in there there is that the one where isn't the crow where the dude got killed on set or Brandon Lee got shot by the prop gun by the prop gun it was like

Yeah, it's crazy. I hear stories like that, and it, like, actually bothers me. They, Alec Baldwin, him. Yeah. Wait, I want to get to this Gavin doubles down. I don't want to rush us, but I really do want to get to it. If you want to hit the Gavin, we get the Gavin, because then we were going to have, like, an actual Halloween debate. Oh, we were?

Yeah, what is the debate? What's the debate now? Well, so the debate is, and I'm seeing it in the chat already, if we want to, if we want to go to that, we can go to that, where there are people who are saying that you that you should not celebrate Halloween because it is demonic and there and I get this every single year people say Pesobic how can you do this how can you how can you celebrate the devil's night how could you allow your children to do such a thing it's it's so horrible it's disgusting it's demonic etc etc and I and I see it in the chat every single time I talk about Halloween uh you know at least since I've been like a you know you know had a public profile

or whatever that I get this every single year and every single year I've been fighting from the pro-Halline perspective by explaining the true history of Halloween as a Christian holiday. Yeah, I kind of take the, I kind of take the Chesterton line about it, where he says, like, fairy tales are good, not because they say dragons are real, but because they say dragons can be beaten. And, you know, it's kind of like that with Halloween.

I think what I'd say is, this actually is a funny one, I actually kind of greatly dislike horror movies that are really bleak where the demons just win at the end. I think... Like the Asian ones? Yeah, yeah. Or these new ones. There's been some recent ones.

Like, I think Hereditary has a completely bleak ending, and that was a really popular one. It does, yeah. But, like, I would say if you make a horror movie where, you know, in the end, righteousness triumphs and, you know, the demons are defeated, I think that's the proper way to approach Halloween.

You can say, the demons are scary. They do many evil things. But in the end, righteousness, and, you know, the power of God and so forth, can defeat them. And then I see, I feel like that is a morally vindicating thing for us to promote. Well, I think of it as like, you know, it's not Chester to, but C.S. Lewis and Tolkien wrote fantasy and they wrote, you know, they were obviously were not afraid of things. And I remember when I first became a Christian, I was, I think we were, you know, listen, it's not exactly C.S. Lewis.

But I remember we were, it was like I was in college. And we went to see some movie. Actually, I want to say it was Harry Potter, but I'm not, can't really remember, but it was like something like that, right? And I remember, you want to talk demonic. Let's talk about Harry Potter. Yeah, so, so no, fair enough. But I got this talking to from the guy I was going with, his mom was like, your lives are so blessed. Don't, don't subject yourself to this darkness and all this stuff. And I remember kind of being like caught off guard because that's not the way I grew up.

My parents like never talk like that. And all of a sudden I was, you know, had this buddy's mom who was freaking out on us. And I was like, well, no, it's just like, you know, it's a movie. Now, I would say that I sort of see things in the middle now. I do think you can open yourself up to darkness and dark spirits and you can, you can entertain dark spirits in a way that is unhealthy. I actually really believe that. I actually believe, if we're going to get into it, like some of these, ayahuasca, you know,

their pharmacia is the word for sorcery, you know, in the Bible. And here's, what's interesting about that is that, you know, drugs can cause hallucinations. It can open up, I think, spiritual pathways to darkness. I do also think if you become too interested or intrigued by dark and demonic ideas and things, you can open yourself up to this stuff. That being said, I like kind of where your head was at. I think it can be really good for young minds to think about fantasy and fairy tale and even dark fairytales.

If you look at like a lot of the old Disney films, for example, like Snow White is so dark. I was watching that with my kids. And I figured anything before, you know, 1970, maybe it's going to be okay. So I start watching this. I couldn't believe how dark these things were. Like the witches are scary. You know, the stakes are real. It's not just kind of fluffy, feel-good stuff.

And there is kind of a repeat theme in a lot of this. Like, if you go to even Cinderella, Cinderella is really dark, man. The stepmom is extraordinarily scary and, you know, really pretty vicious. So anyways, I would just say there was a way. that we did fairy tales dark things back in the day that actually probably helped young people's minds understand that there is good and evil there is darkness and light there are there are truly wretched figures and creatures and things and you need to fight them and you need to win you ultimately need to win and so i but you know on another much more lighter note you know

i trick or treat with my kids because they like dressing up like princesses and ninjas and getting candy i mean for me it's that simple what we do we go in big groups, lots of friends, lots of other kids, dressed up and fun, lighthearted costumes, and then we kind of get them out of there before things get really weird. We would be going astray if we did not open the way for the opinion of our co-host, who is out tonight. Let's play clip 295 for Charlie's View on Halloween. Halloween is coming up, which is all Saints Day, but let's just be honest, Halloween is a dark, dark day. Not a fan of it. It's what you do with it, not a fan of all the kind of dressing up and all that nonsense. I don't like it.

And if you are a Christian, you must be, and by the way, if you're also a Jew, because this is a Old Testament law, you must not engage in any of these practices of the occult. I find that there is far too much kind of joking around and playing loose and fast with this stuff. There is legit darkness that can be channeled and put in it. And by the way, this again, this is an Old Testament law. So this goes for both Jews and Christians. When you enter the land of God, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there.

Now shalt not suffer a witch to live. 100%. I think I probably texted him in the middle of that and going like, oh, come on, Charlie. What about my kids dressing up like princesses and ninjas? and he was he said no like i can pretty much guarantee that was about yeah charlie charlie was a charlie was a well-known Halloween hater you can find um all sorts of tweets from charlie that are still up uh hating on Halloween hating on the practices i i think even beyond the biblical i think he just hated it in general um and pretty much everything about it and you know you know they

called a thought crime but no i disagree with charlie i could disagree completely on the history and what i agree with on hating it but what i agree with is that there are some people who do use, unfortunately, the Christian holiday of Halloween, all hallows Eve, to celebrate the occult to take part in occult practices, which I completely, as anyone knows who's followed me for like, I don't know, five seconds, they'll know that, like, you know, I'm very, very anti-occult to, like, to the point where, like, if you come visit our home, you know, we've got, we've got holy water all over the place, we've got icons up, We've got statuettes, we've got the trifolds, we've got crucifixes.

You know, we've got the crucifixes, by the way, not just in the family room, but in every single one of the bedroom. So we're very, very extremely anti-occult in the POSO household. But, and, you know, just because the occult uses a Christian holiday to try to pervert that Christian holiday and invert the Christian holiday to occlude, right, the truth of the holiday, which, of of course, has always been meant to celebrate the martyrs and as a remembrance of mortality, as a remembrance of the dead, as a remembrance of evil to mock evil, then you are, so there's a right way and a wrong way to do Halloween. That's basically what I'm saying. I think there's a right way and a wrong way.

We've got a few takes from people. I want to highlight Thomas Glosser, who emailed us at Freedom at Charlie Kirk. He said, year-round standard time, yes, it's our natural body clock. We should respect that. mischief night no not a thing where i grew up in northern indiana and then he said trunk or treat gay it is i've never even heard of it so never heard of it before whatever danny says i take his gospel wait andrew do you do you ever do drunk or treats with your kids uh no i don't even know what that is thank you wow okay all right but you got to understand i'm like from this half of

the country and you're from that. And it's like we are legit. No, this is like a national. The Mississippi is like two different things. Yeah. It's, I feel like it's kind of becoming a national thing. We got another don't know from, uh, let me make sure I remember his name correctly.

Uh, we got it from Cade. Cade sent us another one. Five dollars. Thank you, Kate again. He says, okay, last super chat. You guys, your guys' takes are spot on. I couldn't agree more. Thank you again, Cade. I do love being correct. We got them email from Sharman says keep God's time year round standard time side note there needs to be a

Blake Neff costume with the Macy's blazer ooh I am probably Nacy's like most prominent advertisement at this point it's like they're trendy blazers who like wears Macy's stuff and actually admits to it yeah exactly is that Stephen A Smith why is it like echoed I don't understand that I don't understand that was me uh mischief night this is from like when Blake was gone. This is from Cookie Monster or something. Hi guys. Loving Thought Crime.

My mom, who grew up outside Philly, lands down, told us about mischief night. Told us about mischief night. Growing up in Tiago County, middle of nowhere, we did not have mischief night. We trick or treated through the whole town. Daylight savings time is good. Okay, so she's hitting both. But falling back to standard time is good, too. I do not want to drive to and from work in the dark.

I need some sunshine during my day. There are no windows in the vault in which I work. people need sunshine so the question is when do they get most of the sunshine that's the question well and this is why this is why we have the daylight savings regime that we do now where it's four months the four winter months are the natural time and the rest of the the rest of the year is daylight savings because here's what i'm going to miss this argument comes up every time we yeah well we try to get rid of it right in the 70s and then we reverted back to what we have so here here's the here's what i would miss jack you and god's time

I know we're bouncing back and forth here, but these are the emails. What I would miss is those late summer nights out on the back patio with my wife and my kids running around the yard. And it's just so beautiful. It really is. It's amazing. So I would miss that. And it's like it gets darker earlier. It bums me out.

Arizona gets dark at 7.30 or 8. Yeah, it's great. I love it. No, it's terrible. What if? Okay, one thing is everyone agrees that stinks when we lose the hour in the spring. So what if we compromise and we say daylight savings? only during the summer.

You mean like make that the four months? Like three months? Because now we have like the four months like made it like like like no Memorial Day to Labor Day. No, but it's right right now it's four months of standard time, right? So you're basically saying let's if we're going to if we're going to go back and forth, let's go four months of daylight stand daylight savings time. What if I have an idea in the summer? I'm not. People hate losing the hour in the spring, but they're okay with gaining the extra hour of sleep mostly in. in the fall.

No, I hate both. You hate having less daylight, but people generally like losing, they like gaining the hour. That's because of the night. So what if we only twice a year, we just kept falling back.

We fell back like two hours a year. And we just did it. And we just had a kind of permanent cycle. You know what's crazy. You might know the actual year. Wouldn't that just destroy the sink of time and the sun? Well, so by the way, so there was,

I'm going to get all my terms. mixed up here, but there was essentially a calendar that they had where we kept losing years over like the millennia, right? Was it the Roman? The Julian count? The Julian calendar? And then all of a sudden like 1509 or something, whatever the exact year is, we just skipped a bunch of years to kind of like catch the calendar. Days. Days. So the Julian calendar, that's right. It used to be, the Roman calendar used to get so bad every few years. They would just have to add a bonus like month on the thing. to fix it and then Julius Caesar figured it out and he got what was almost our modern calendar but it drifted by about one day every four years no every about like they had the leap year

they added that they added the leave here but it still drifted about a day every like 100 or 150 years or so and then when they got the Gregorian calendar named after a pope a Catholic pope they fixed it they figured out they were losing an extra like a quarter of a little bit of a day each year I can't remember And then in the 1500s, they adapted to it, and you had to jump ahead about two weeks to fix things. That's why you just skipped a bunch of days, which is really wild, actually, if you think about this. To get it back to where it should have been. Basically what happened was they, imagine like the calendar over the millennia, just like all of a sudden it was, it was like, you know, you'd expect 80 degree weather, you know, in the very end of September.

And all of a sudden, as the years went on, it got really, really cold at the end of September. it's just a weird historical fact that a lot of people don't know It led to all sorts of wild stuff Like a famous incident Was the Russian Empire Kept the Julian calendar very late That's actually why

I was just gonna mention this The October Revolution, Red October Happened in November everywhere else In November And the French Revolution And the French The February Revolution happens in March Exactly and similarly

This also happened During the wars against Napoleon Or I think it was one of those wars There's a war where Russia is like marching their army to meet with some ally of theirs and they mess it up because they get the calendars off and they show up two weeks later

than everyone was expecting them to because they didn't communicate on those days. You're basically suggesting that we should adopt this same sort of approach to our time. Yes. Okay, that's good. It's going to really screw up our land. Oh, we got another,

we got a donation from Zuzu's Pettles. These are Rumble rants. The Wramble Rants, okay. The rants of Rumble. $5 Zuzu's pedals. The week where we lose an hour, also called Spring Ahead, has higher car accidents that week and lower productivity. She or he is right. Pick one and stick with it.

That's actually a real thing because the switches, this isn't just. That's what I hate. I hate the switches. People die. Every year, a few people die because there's more car crashes and there's also more heart attacks. Did you know that? Yeah, I did actually. The slight increase in stress from less sleep tips a few people over the edge and they have strokes or heart attacks.

this because when Charlie put that tweet out and it was like Sager like was like I will fight you and then and then everybody started like coming up with all these random factoids and I remember that factoid it's actually really true people have more heart attacks there's more car crashes there's a bunch of stuff that goes wrong because of the switching I think that's my whole take it's like I just don't want to switch anymore I hate losing the sleep in the spring I hate losing the sunlight in the fall I hate all the people who are saying that they oppose Halloween because of the demons and all of that. I hope they also agree

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Okay, he wants to talk about Gal. Wait, wait. Let me respond to the pagan thing. Let me respond to the pagan thing since we brought it up. And I have to do it at least once a year, so I'm doing it tonight, right? And I've been saving this, right? So a lot of people love to do this pop history, you know, Facebook meme thing to say, well, actually, you know, according to Facebook and Reddit, Halloween originates from a pagan holiday that took place in Ireland and Scotland a long, long time ago. And the Christians came and overtook that holiday and incorporated a lot of things from it.

So it's actually a pagan holiday when it's started. And that's why you shouldn't, you shouldn't, uh, you shouldn't go with it. Yeah, this is actually a lot of really bad history that came up from the 19th century. It's not even a, a historic view whatsoever. Uh, Halloween goes back in the date of Halloween fixed back by the way to another Gregory, another Pope Gregory all the way back, believe it or not, 1,300 years ago, 735 AD. That's how old Halloween and how long Halloween has been Christian because it was all about. celebrating the martyrs because in the early church every time someone was killed for the faith when someone became a martyr that they would get a feast day and typically it would be fixed to the date of their martyrdom and unfortunately the issue was in the days of the early church there were so many martyrs that the days of the entire calendar would be just filled every single day would be a feast day that's how horrific it was and how persecuted Christians are you know we're and obviously are still you know be more and more persecuted today

And so, and so what they did, what they did is they came in and said, all right, well, we're going to have one day, one day for all the martyrs. And all the martyrs, of course, were saints. So that'll be all saints day. And all saints day was fixed to be November 1st by Pope Gregory the 3rd in 735 AD. And so when people try to link this, this history of Samhain and Ireland, it's really interesting because Blake, you know, can I get to double check? Mr. Roman Empire Was there much connective tissue between like Ireland and Rome in 735 AD?

You know, I can't think of much because Rome had like fallen And what was I missed the earpiece went out for a second What was the question, Jay? Is there much connection? So people claim that people claim that that date was chosen because of this Irish

festival that took place on November 1st. But it's like like there was no communication between Ireland and Rome in 735. Not quite. There was a bit. There was a bit because St. Patrick, a great Christian saint. Yeah, I was going to say.

He had Christianized Ireland and Ireland was the place to go to learn Latin in the dark age. People don't appreciate, though, hold on, all those dark ages like priests and bishops, they would make pilgrimages back to Rome. Like, it was very common. A lot of kings would. What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, There's no actual evidence whatsoever that it was chosen because of an Irish festival. There's no, there's no, there's no scholarly writing about this. There's no any, there's no, there isn't even any evidence that this was a pagan festival.

Well, there might not be any writing on it. There might not be any writing on it, but Blake would know this is better than I, but there was actually, there was actually a massive schism between, it was, I think it was like the, the Irish and the and things like this that kept Easter on a certain day versus Oh, that's way too in the weeks. No, but I mean, I'm just saying, like, these used to cause, like, massive schisms within the Christian community

about which date you... Yeah, I don't know the specifics on that. I don't know if the loyal thought cram audience wants to hear about the computas. Let's talk about Gavin. We're going to need some clips. And the point is this. And I'm just going to keep saying this

all the way through, there is no evidence whatsoever that all hallows eve the date of the all hallows day all saints day was based on derived from or chosen because of this irish festival there never was it was a guess that was made by a bunch of really bad comparative theologians and basically atheists and secularists in the 19th century because they were trying to use bad history to undermine church traditions uh all saints day was always known in the night before was known as a practice of souling where people would go. They would pray for the souls of the faithful departed. They would go and knock on doors. Cakes would be exchanged called soul cakes, which were later exchanged for treats. There were people who would dress up in costumes called guising and mummers and mummery, which is also something that was done on Christmas.

And so all of these actual, all of these actual traditions and all of these practices is actually date back to Christianity. So I'm just going to stick on this. That's the history. There is a right way and a wrong way. And if anyone's telling you that Halloween was originally pagan, they're just wrong. They're just flat wrong.

And a final warning, when people go too hard on Halloween, if they get rid of Halloween, just remember, the Puritans got rid of Christmas too. Exactly. And Christmas will be next. Well, that'll be a topic for when we get to Christmas. I think Jack just, Halloween, he uses the one time a year where you can just beat on people

from hiding in a tree. So that's why I think Jack likes Halloween. All right. We need to indulge Andrew here. We've got to get to the Gavin topic. I was in the room. For the record. So here's why he's gabing really hard.

We got to set him up. So you were in the room. You were in the room. So are you. When this clip happened. And so let us play clip 102. So like you right now should come out and be like, you know what?

The young man who's about to win the state championship, in the long jump in female sports, that shouldn't happen. You as the governor should step out and say no. No, and I appreciate. But like, would you do something like that? Would you say no men in female sports? Well, I think it's an issue of fairness.

I completely agree with you on that. So that's easy to call out the unfairness of that. There's also humility and grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression. And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well. So both things I can hold in my hand. How can we address this issue with the kind of decency that I think, you know, is inherent in you, but not always expressed.

So. So he did that. And then he's suddenly he's, uh, so I have a very, that caused quite a backlash. That was a huge story. People, yeah, they flipped out about it. They flipped out about it. But now, uh, he's, he's, he's, there was a lot of pressure on him to back off. but now it seems like he is doubling down.

Okay. Correct? So let's play. Actually, I haven't seen this yet. Let's play clip 298. But when it comes to sports, that's impacting other people's rights. It's different. And I say this with a trans godson.

I have only one godson who's trans. And so I disagree with all the vitriol, but I agree on the issue of fairness in that respect, that it is unfair in these circumstances. and I haven't been able to reconcile it. Good people can, but it was an experience for me born over the actual application and responsibility as governor to try to figure this out. And I couldn't. And maybe other people can, but I haven't been able to figure it out. Okay. So, okay, here's what's actually happening with this clip. Gavin Newsom wants to be present. We all know that. How's he going to differentiate himself in this crowded field full of a bunch of crazy people? Right. You got. AOC. You got J.B. Pritzker, whose own sister, or brother? It's a brother, actually, right? Who knows? I forget which way they're going. It's got a brother or sister that is trans. Okay?

You've got, you know, people are talking about Wes Moore. You got all this people. You've got to stand out from the crowd somehow. Gavin Newsom made the quick calculation. said, I already was on the record doing this. I already ripped the Band-Aid. It's an 80-20 issue. It makes sense that it, because what would look worse than sticking to his guns here? What would look worse is going back with like, ah, you know, that thing I did with Charlie Kirk is, I don't really believe it anymore. So he made the quick decision and said, I'm going to stick on the winning side of an issue that's unpopular with my activist base,

but I'm going to be far left on just about everything else. But this one, I'm going to speak some sense. And because he's doing this to stand out. I mean, it's very, very, very, very simple. And we were in the room when this happened. I looked at his political team and I was like, you do realize what just happened. You do realize what just happened.

realized what was going to happen weeks before I know right no but here's what I will say I don't think they realized the extent that that remained the one of the top news stories in the country for approximately six weeks yeah it was I mean in today's news cycle that moment like lived in eternity I had I had friends from at Ohio State like texting calling me about it even that was a big number one thing yeah now the funny thing is is this is this the reason he has to double back. He's doubling down on this, so he has to reverse course on the other thing he said in that interview. This also happened. This upset me so much. I meant to like, like at him, tweet at him and like tag him and I just kind of got busy today because it's been crazy. But so,

so we were in the room and Gavin not only said this during the interview, he said it after. He said it before. I'm not kidding. This is the biggest pile of garbage I've ever seen. So this is, let's, let's play the clip, 207. This is from the podcast where Charlie sat down with Gavin Newsom, and he brags, oh, my son's a big fan, 207. Last night, trying to put my son to bed. He's like, no, dad. I just, what time? What time's Charlie can be here? What time? And I'm like, dude, you're in school tomorrow. He's 13. He's like, no, no. This morning wakes up at six something. He's like, I'm coming. I'm like, he literally would not leave the house. Did you let him to take off school? No, he did. Of course not. He's not here for a good

good reason. But the point is the point. The point is the point, which is you are making a damn dent. Thank you. I'm kidding. And he just couldn't stick with that. Now, here's what I'll say. Gavin admitting that probably caused a lot of backlash. Maybe even for his son and he was trying to kind of backtrack or whatever. I'm telling you, it's garbage. Because he said it multiple times at multiple instances when we're in the room, 206. That's your son, obviously a fan of Charlie Kirk. What was the conversation like between you and your son after Charlie Kirk was assassinated? He called me, I don't know how he got a phone, but he called me from school that day, really alarmed.

And all his friends were around the phone that wanted me to somehow express or understand what was going on. He wanted to know if he was dead. He wasn't a fan of him as much as it was familiar with him. Oh, okay. familiar with you know this may seem like a petty thing i would want to skip school for people i was familiar with all the time dude i wouldn't want to wake up like an hour earlier jumping with my clothes on ready like get into the studio no this is this might seem like a little thing like a petty thing like this is just personal to me because i was close to charles no this guy wants to be president

and he's willing to just kind of like slimy slippery out of like a very basic not a controversial truth he'd already like told the world charlie was that his son was a big fan of Charlie and he's willing to just kind of do one of his little slippery lizard you know moves out of this like he's rubbing himself with Vaseline

just to get out of a headlock and I'm telling you this is like the worst part about Gavin Newsom is that the guy lies with no shame there is no shame and he doesn't and he thinks he's going to get away with it that is a serial liar you can see it right there

Charlie always said he could pass a lie detector test no problem. No, absolutely. It's a serial liar who would do that. And it's also somebody that, you know, cheated on his wife. It's somebody that has learned how to lie with basic ease. And that is a scary, scary thing at the prospect that this guy could run to be the most powerful man in the world. It's a very scary thing. And I don't want people to miss it because I'm here to tell you. Blake's here to tell you. It wasn't once. It wasn't just that clip. It was multiple times so i don't know if he was just trying to like butter us up but i don't know what his motivation would have been after the fact and if his son is just familiar with him then why is he calling him

wondering like if there's insider details that his dad can provide and stuff with all of his friends like clearly he was a fan and liked him or else why would he be caring to find a phone and call we'd heard charlie knew charlie heard rumors and jack sorry i didn't mean to cut you off i jumped on top you once one last thing i'll throw at you charlie told me for i don't know i knew about the fact that Gavin Newsom's son was a fan of Charlie for about a year before this interview. We had heard rumors and heard that this was actually a thing. And so when we got there and he actually admitted it on camera, like, this is kind of cool. Anyway, sorry, Jack. Go ahead. No, I was just going to say, look, you know, there's a real interesting way to look

at this. Sure, Gavin Newsom's a liar. We understand that. And I don't think that's going to come as a surprise to anyone who's been following certainly since the COVID situation. But I think the real interesting argument to look at here is why is Gavin Newsom choosing this lie at this time and why do something where he knows that he's verifiably on camera having said that to Charlie. And I think it's pretty clear. I think that Gavin has been looking across the political landscape and understands that if he wants to win in a Democrat primary, which is what he wants to do in the next couple of years, to become the frontrunner for the Democrat candidacy, If you look at what he's done with his Twitter account, the News and Press Office account, where he's gone as completely vile as anything you can find out there, he realizes that there is this new propensity for accepting, allowing, or demanding smears and lies about our good friend Charlie Kirk, and suddenly realizes that if he said something public, publicly positive about Charlie, his sit-down interview, that's not going to play well with the Democrat base.

because this is the same Democrat base that is still there for Jay Jones in Virginia. This is the same people that have been lying about Charlie, the people who are, by the way, tomorrow, and we haven't said this yet, but since we're talking about Halloween, we know already that we've seen leftists after leftist dress up in this sort of grim, disgusting, mockery of Charlie's murder. They're going to continue to do this, and I'm going to say it right now. Please screenshot them, and we're going to make them all famous. We're going to absolutely make them all famous.

And I send it my way. I'm happy to do so. Lips with TikTok is happy to do so. But Gavin realizes that his party is in a different place than he thought they were when he sat down with Charlie. So what's he doing? He realizes that he's got to be in that place as well to attack Charlie, to smear Charlie and show that he has no interest whatsoever in uniting with people on the right when he himself actually sat down and launched his podcast with Charlie just a couple of weeks ago.

yeah i mean it's i totally agree it is that it is sort of the divide between the new left and the old left and the question is can the old left you know like gavin beat the new left like mom donnie and a o c can that can't so gavin is making a calculated effort to be sort of like i'm going to be sensible on this one issue but i'm he's going to pivot hard on other issues right and you see that with his sitting in front of the camera i'm so upset about what i'm ISIS doing and the tyrant Donald Trump and all this stuff. And he talks this big game. But I guarantee the next time he sees President Trump, it's going to be, you know, Brohang, Boys Club. And it's going to be, you know, he's going to try and his charm offensive again.

So it's, it's, he's just so annoying. And actually, I've heard some people throw out the idea of a of a, of a Gavin Newsome AOC ticket, which I think is obscene. I don't think it's going to happen. But, you know, the point is, I think what Gavin is going to sadly find out is that if you try and take a sensible position in this new left, in this new Democrat Party, you're going to get eaten alive. I mean, this is like the Jennifer Welch clip. We should actually play this. Studio, I think it's 283 if memory serves. But this, Jennifer Welch is like the aged Karen of the Democrat Party. Like, right, she's a Bravo star.

she or was former Bravo star Did you just to watch basic cable? No, I don't know. I just I'm just, I had to learn this actually this morning because I got asked about it. But she's she's like a former Bravo star. She is a very profane woman. She's a, she's a mocker. She is an accuser.

She is, she's bitter. She has no feminine, genteel grace about her. She's just like a like literally, incessantly drunk or high is what I, I would presume I don't know, but I know, no. I don't know, no, but I know. Play it. So listen up, Democratic establishment. You can either jump on board with this or we're coming after you in the same way that we come after MAGA.

Period. They're that are beholden to the same corporations that Donald Trump, that helped Donald Trump get elected. Kudos to Bernie, to AOC, to Zoron. And that woman out in somewhere middle America saying Charlie Kirk, he was a racist, he was a piece of there are so many more of us than there are of them. And these Democrats that continue to play patty cake with corporations, nobody wants that. Nobody wants you. What a disgusting woman, by the way.

I was like really polite this morning when I was asked about it on another interview. I find that to be a really, really, really. scary sort of harbinger of things to come because there's no doubt she's right she's right this is the this is the scary part even gavin as much as i find his slipperiness to be detestable you could kind of work with gavin like if gavin was in uh for example if gavin newsom was the governor of arizona he'd be center he'd be center right because he'd play the political wins of this state truly is like it disturbs me how successfully is because he's just very obviously a sociopathic lizard and it always upsets me when pure sociopathic lizards succeed

especially when it's because people like they're so genuine no i don't think he's genuine i think he's the opposite of genuine what i'm saying is though he's like sort of a reasonable waspy white man and the party is going away from whatever brand of of like democrat that is and where you know i was around him like you could shake his hand he'd be he'd be nice to you and he'd laugh with you Apache on the back. He didn't care if you were conservative. He's just going to kind of get along with you. That is not the new left. That is not the new Democratic Party, which thinks

we're all Nazis and fascists and wants to shoot us. And Jennifer Welch is calling out anybody that's not getting completely radicalized and she's basically saying, like, listen, here's the new litmus test. If you don't call Charlie a vile, racist, and bigot fascist

that probably had it come in, then you don't deserve to be here and we're going to take you out too. So that is the new energy of the left and so long as these are the drumbeats of the Democrat Party, this country is in a world of her and I fear that she is right, that that's where they're going.

Well, we saw that Atlantic article today from the Trump admin officials that now have to live in like special houses that are protected. In the military base. Yeah. Yeah. Because people are trying to kill them. Yeah, especially Stephen Miller. And you could probably

speak to this, Jack, because you're over in that part of the world. I mean, Stephen Miller has had active death threats. He's had, houses have been doxed. Him and Katie have had to move out and move to different homes before, but it sounds like now they've just thrown up their hands. They're living on a military base. Yeah, no, I knew about this for a little while. I've just, obviously, you know, I know the Millers and, you know, so I heard about this when it happened.

Obviously, I didn't want to say anything publicly just for their own safety, the safety of their children. But it's horrific. And if you read in the article, it even walks through how. Now, not only were they going after their house, people have to realize they were stalking the Millers. They were going by and like they had a car that would sit outside of their house day and night. They were following the family. They were following the children.

This was, and by the way, this is a coordinated Antifa cell that exists in Northern Virginia that was promoting and celebrating this doxing, this harassment, and they couldn't get police to really do anything about it. They had so much trouble getting federal law enforcement to do anything about it. And eventually, they realized for their safety and, of course, the safety of their children, they had to move on to a federal military base. By the way, the same thing happened to Josh Hawley a couple of years ago. Brett Kavanaugh had someone outside their house who was about to kill him before 9-1-1 was

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Because of private student loan debt, so many people feel stuck. Go to YREFI.com. That is Y-R-E-F-Y-F-Y.com. Private student loan debt relief, Y-ReFi.com. Well, this is what upsets me in Jack. You and I got really into this story. It was this Dr. Antifa, Professor Mark Bray from Rutgers. So you've got Antifa cells that are harassing Stephen Miller and his wife, Katie, and they're kids.

And I think people like Stephen probably has been the recipient of more hate and more vitriol than just about anybody else on the left. I mean, they literally call him Goebbels and they call him, I mean, they think he's a Nazi. They think he's a white supremacist. And, you know, it's funny because Stephen Miller's Jewish, but it doesn't stop them. And it really just comes down to the immigration thing, right? Because the immigration thing is their holy grail. They want to remake the demographics of this country. They want to use it to dilute and destroy the white Anglo.

Christian, European sort of bedrock foundational cultural element of America. And so if you're going to attack that, if you're going to actually go after the central golden calf of the modern left, which is the browning of America, then you are going to be persona non grata. You're going to be enemy number one. And so poor, poor people. I mean, but you've got, the point is you've got Antifa doing the bidding. These are the foot soldiers of the left. These are the militant radicals that are doing this, and you've got professors that are paid by a public university that are taking taxpayer money to train them, to write an Antifa handbook on how to take preemptive measures that completely poor contempt on debate and open dialogue and the democratic process that are

getting your tax dollars. And you've got Antifa cells that are coming after officials in the Trump administration that are getting trained by this professor to attack them violently with knives, fists, guns, heavy weaponry, if needs to be. And this guy says, oh, I'm not, I don't endorse Antiva. Well, then why did all your money and profits from the book sales go to their legal defense fund? Huh? Professor Bray, why is that?

And by the way, we should ask Rutgers University why he's not been fired yet, as a matter of fact, as well as with Lucy Martinez at Nathan Hale Elementary in Chicago. Both of these people are vile monsters that are still employed. And it really ticks you off when you think about it. Exactly right. And by the way, the great Ava Kwan, who is the turning point, one of the chapter leaders there at Rutgers, she's been placed under investigation by Rutgers, as well as Megan Doyle, one of the other chapter leaders. They're trying to get them kicked off. And what she's been doing, she's been standing her ground and fighting back. By the way, they have Alex Stein coming to Rutgers at the turning point chapter on, I think it's Monday. Yeah, it's going to be on Monday. And so we're also doing the turning point action super Sunday and super Monday. get out the vote in New Jersey for Jack Chittarelli, where you look at the polls, it's neck and neck. I think there was a poll. Emerson poll came out today. One point difference in that. That's how close this is. And what are they doing? We know Rutgers as a public university is going after

the turning point chapter, these great student leaders who I went up with and was proud to stand with there in Northern Jersey. And she actually uncovered, by the way, going back to Dr. Antifa, Mark Bray, she uncovered speeches and interviews where he gave, where he gave, where he describes himself. He says, I'm a member of Antifa. I'm a member of the Black Rose Anarchist Federation. Now, he runs around today saying, I'm not Antifa, but she's got interviews from a couple of years ago where he says he was in Antifa. And if you remember the G20, the G20 that was held in Hamburg. I want to say it was 20, 2017, the G20s, Hamburg summit. He talks about participating in riots that included the burning of cars and an attack on the summit that was so bad that first lady

Melania Trump wasn't even allowed to attend the summit. She was originally scheduled to attend, but they couldn't bring her out because they couldn't secure it. Again, going back to what we're talking about now with the Millers and others who have to live on military bases, this guy is talking about participating in these firebombing attacks on cars in Hamburg, the same guy. And so this is the level of people that we have, by the way, at taxpayer-funded universities. And because the communists over in Spain are so.

are so entrenched because these Antifa cells are international. He's able to go over to Spain and seamlessly integrate with the Antifa cells there because this is a federal, excuse me, an international terrorist organization. And that's exactly what I told the president when I was at the White House. And you can see, you can see the operations right in front of your eyes. No, I was about to make the same point, Jack. We should actually follow the money and follow Dr. Antifa and find out who he's hanging out with in Spain. I mean, this is a guy who deserves to be investigated. And it's not a free speech thing.

You have to understand this, listen, I could quote Gavin Newsom that when he's talking about, when he's talking about trans in sports, right? Because this person's freedom of speech is getting in the way of your freedom of a speech. When he's advocating for these tactics that, again, their whole tactic is we don't care about your democracy. We don't care about your free speech. We are going to preemptively attack you. He's coming after them. And that is a complete betrayal of the democratic process, of the American way, which we believe we're going to battle it out with ideas, not with fists and knives and guns. He doesn't care about that. His tactics say, you've got to get ahead of it. You've got to punch a Nazi. You've got to shoot a Nazi.

We don't care about your arguments. We don't care about your ideas. We don't care about your humanity. So we should follow the money. We should follow the paper trail and find out who the heck he's hanging out with because it's only going to strengthen the case for the federal government that are trying to crack down on these antifa cells. because ultimately we've got to be able to hinge it on laws, real laws, and real precedent. And I guess, you know, RICO's not enough. But there's other things. Conspiracy, there's lots of other ways you could get these people. And I think financially, Treasury is working on this right now, Scott Besson. So we've got to keep an eye on that as well.

Base, base, base. We've got to make sure that foreign terrorist designation comes down, by the way. It absolutely needs to get done. Yeah, absolutely. Jack, I brought up Sagar already on this show. and this would do we have time I want to hit this

I want to hit this I want to hit this I know it's late we've got to talk about boomer luxury communism all right is this we have to be careful no negative emails this is not all about you in this audience

but no but no so the context set this up we're talking about liberal boomers we're talking about liberal we'll talk about a bride of people so what this all was sparked by was a little debate I joined in it briefly

but I believe is three 2005 the tweet that we're looking at here I think so let's put that up let's put that up so okay that's no one's going to be able to read that it's too big anyway so this is Sager and Jetty tweeted

I will read it and he said in today's episode of boomer luxury communism Texas voters will vote on a new measure that will slash school taxes for boomers 65 and older by approximately 50% in addition to further slashing property taxes for

boomers alone so whether This is all in context is that Texas is considering big cuts to some of their property taxes or they're changing what your exemptions are under property tax law, but it's going to only apply to those who are 65 and older. Now, I'm sure a lot of people like the sound of that, but Sager disagreed with it, and I'll be honest, I disagreed with it. I really dislike when we go looking for new ways to cut taxes for the oldest people in a

America. And to lay this out, here's the deal. First of all, the oldest people in America are already the most on average, the most financially well off by a large margin. And this is historically out of the norm. It used to be people about in middle age were the wealthiest and older people were poor. Now it's, it's, the olds have the most money by a long shot on average, all on average here. And the second thing is, is let's just be real. Who do we need to be boosting enabling to ensure America's future success and prosperity. It is young people. We need

young people who are going to be buying homes having more kids. Frankly paying fewer taxes if need be so that they have more kids, especially in the middle class. If you are older, thank you for your service, but you are not...

How about this? Could we do it in such a way that it would be means tested or something? You know, even there, the thing that we thing that we should means test the most right now. Like if every number we look at, every number in America says the people who are getting hosed right now are the youngest Americans, period. So if you're over 65, you're already getting free health care. You're already getting a social security pension.

You've had 40 years of incredible economic growth during which you had the opportunity to accumulate savings and investments. And it's very common in America to look. at young people who have student loans or just young people who made mistakes anyway and say like you need to take responsibility for yourself well okay why can't older people take responsibility for themselves and if you want more momdanism this is the exact way to do it because you're going to radicalize more and more young people who are just going to see that the older generation is getting bailed out while they are still in trouble and are faced with the worst situation of any generation

So as Gen Z, a lot of friends of mine and stuff were already pretty pissed about all the housing market and all that if we've talked about on the show. And I feel like all this is going to do is start radicalizing more and more people. Yeah, I mean, so if I'm going to play devil's advocate here, I mean, I'll confess, I mostly agree with you guys. But if I'm going to play devil's advocate,

because I've spoken with a number of Texans, right? And they have been railing against property tax in Texas for a long time because they don't have a state income, tax but so their property tax is kind of how they make up the difference right so you move to texas if you own expensive home they it will cost you a significant amount of i have really bad news for people property tax is probably one of the better taxes out there well actually i like your idea what did you call it the land tax no yeah well it's the georgism what is it called georgism georgism is actually really fascinating idea i had i wasn't aware about until blake told me about but by the way it's

so the point is in texas there's quite a bit of political movement behind cutting significantly or abolishing even property tax. I mean, there's people who want to cut it. And I'll be honest with you, I remember being, like, younger and realizing there was such a thing as property tax, and it, like, blew my mind. I was like, wait, so you don't ever get to own a piece of land that you pay for. You just sort of constantly have to pay the government for the right to, like, you take care of your land.

You own it. Well, in the end, in the end, here's a, this is a way a friend of mine phrased it recently who pointed it out. the only reason you own it, the only reason you have the concept of ownership is that we have a government with a system of laws that protects and guarantees that ownership. And you could think of property tax as your way of guaranteeing that system. And I know people really dislike paying all taxes. I dislike paying taxes.

But to the extent that we must pay for things as a public good, property taxes is one of the least distortionary ways. But here's the point. And land taxes are even better. Here's the problem. And actually, this is somewhere, you know, California was like Prop 13 or whatever that was helpful. Because when you get to a certain age, there is a point at which your ability to earn money for the vast majority of people diminishes. And your property could still increase.

And depending on the laws of that state, the value of your property goes up and up and up. Your property tax could go up and up and up. And then it could outstrip your ability to then pay for it, especially. if you're on fixed income. So I understand the desire to help people on fixed income that can no longer afford their property tax. That being said, I don't disagree with what you're saying when it comes to who's the number one group that we need to ensure that gets buy into the economy, buys into the American dream, buys into having skin of the game so they don't become bloody revolutionaries and bomb don't. I totally get that argument. But I do have compassion on older

boomers that are in fixed income and their property tax could outstrip their ability to pay for. You know, it's true, but again, you have to think, we expect accountability in a lot of other situations. And if you're a young person whose income goes down because you get laid off, because you make a mistake in terms, you know, you lose a lot of money, you make on gambling or on investment. Counterpoint. So yes, they should be accountable. But the amount with which property values have increased is has massively benefited boomers some but if you are living in for example i have a lot of these people in my family actually that just literally have lived in the same home since like the 80s right and so their property values have shot up tremendously but they've never that's like you're taxing

unrealized gains which is something that we do not do in this country essentially that's what you could look at as a property tax that has shot up based on reassessing of property values it's an unrealized game because they're not they're not liquidating that asset they're living in that asset well so they've gotten an asset that has massively increased in value they have to do a reverse mortgage which is maybe they might be what they have to do or i'll be blunt historically older people who don't have children in the home anymore have less mobility anyway have less but historically older people have downsized later in life you know that's what they're doing it's not even like oh we're not saying poverty Winston Churchill

Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom He lived in a great big house Called Blenham Palace And actually wait I can't remember the name of his of his home It wasn't Blenham Palace That was his richer people in the family He had a big house

And when he was aging And when his son Was aging into adulthood and having children And Winston's kids had grown up He built a cabin on that property And he moved into that And he gave the big house to his son

Now, I'm not saying you have to give your home to your children, but I'm saying we have a tradition of if you're aging and you have less money, it's an entirely reasonable and normal thing to downsize your consumption and we are allowing. Consumption is like, I mean, a modest like quarter acre lot and a single family home and you just like the neighborhood around you became multi-million dollar homes and yours is still sort of like unimproved. but you're just you're happy living there and this is like you paid for it you should have the right to stay there if you could afford the property taxes five years ago and all of a sudden they shot up because you got a reassessment

then that again I have compassion I do it's just in the big what people are raging against is these boomers that are accumulating multiple rental houses and they're buying up all these houses in the market that's what people are raging against those people should not be benefiting from a property tax deal but no but in general

the boomers also account for I'm looking at now 53% of all homes sells, and then they also account for 42% of all home buys. So they're buying up homes, and that's what's creating this problem where people are getting radicalized. Maybe it's means tested. I don't know. Maybe there's like a, maybe there's like a different way to do it. Yeah, yeah, Jack, Jack, what do you say on the boomer question? No, I'm largely, Blake, I'm largely with you on this. You know, I do think there's obviously, you know, things that should be done to, you know, try to maintain this within some sense of reason. I do think that it's, I think that it's kind of silly for people to think that they can just live in a society and not have to pay for any upkeep of that society, community, or system whatsoever. It's like, like, are you, you know, are you defending your home yourself 24-7?

Are you using, are you using no public services whatsoever? I highly doubt it. I'm just saying I highly doubt it. And even if you are someone who isn't, right, you know, let's say, let's say even if you are 24-7, 365, totally self-sustaining. Guess what? If something does happen, who are you going to call? You're going to call 911.

You're going to hopefully you can go to court. You can hopefully have a system of justice to be able to backstop all of it. And so you do, I'm sorry. Like I think it's this weird kind of like, you know, quasi. I don't want to grow up and eat my vegetables, you know, sort of like conservatarian thing that you just got to, you just got to grow up at some point. You just have to grow up at some point and realize that when you live in a society, that includes, uh some kind of mutual buy in it really does i know i agree with you i mean just to betray my previous words my biases towards young americans obviously i work with turning point

i've been with charlie for eight years plus so i mean i'm i'm with you and i i'm just saying there are certain instances kind of like when we were talking about snap where you're like that actually is really hard it's going to be really really hard for actual legitimate cases that are surviving subsistence living off snap there's a lot of abuse to it and And so would love to get rid of the, I would presume it's probably an 80-20 issue where it's 20% legitimate users and 80% just phony fraudsters. And I would say it's probably something like that when it comes to who deserves to maybe have their property tax frozen or diminished in a state like Texas versus 80% of boomers that could probably afford it and really just need to take their medicine. I'm just saying I have some compassion. Obviously, I want, I'm open-minded about 98% of the ideas that would make it more affordable for you.

young people to buy homes and get a stake in the Well, I see in our emails they're already pretty upset, but if we want to throw up 312 just real quick, that's the graph I was referencing and that's what's going to radicalize many people. What are we looking at? So younger boomers and older boomers, both if you put just that whole

generation of boomers together, account for 53% of all home sales, according to National Association of Realtors and Fortune, and they also account for 42% of all home buyers. Why is it both red? This chart is really a really, really I don't know, I didn't create it, but that's the data.

Well, so the dark red is the sellers and the light red is the buyers, right? Yeah, I know. It's just like, it's like, what idiot put this together? It's really bad. The National Association of Realtors. So I will say that the older boomers and younger boomers are selling, their sales of homes is far out stripping. But they're also buying at 42%. Yeah, I get that.

You know, that's, it's interesting. But at least they're, at least their net. average is that they're releasing more inventory onto the market i'll say that um i think it's time for us to wrap things up here gentlemen i got to catch a plane it's been a busy day uh by the way shout out to uh just because you mentioned snap real quick shout out to the new account out there e bt of tic talk i don't know if you guys have been following that one yet um actually i realized halfway through the show that we probably should have done a segment on this because e bt there's apparently a new genre on TikTok where people who are on

EBT get to put up, we'll have to save this for next week or something, which I believe we'll all be together in person next week. Oh, and we should also say that in a second we'll talk about Tuesday night. But yeah, people talk about their EBT halls, basically what they're buying, using SNAP benefits and food stamps, and how much they can bilk out of the system, and they just brag about it on TikTok. Yeah, or, and by the way, Jack, if they don't get their EBT turned back on on November 1st, they, they go shoplifting, national shoplifting day.

Look, now it's shut down. I think we'll get a full episode of this. Can I get a beep? We'll get a full episode of this. This is going to be great. Hell yes. That's not the beat. It's fine.

We got to have national shoplifting day across the nation. oh there is no we got it guys it's okay it's okay Andrew can say this because as we remember he's part Mexican I'm also Jewish according to the chat

which is hilarious my it's gone off the rails I know this is going off the race apparently I'm Jewish which is not true that's not true my dad was my dad saw some

comment somewhere that was like Andrew's Jewish he's like I almost created an account to just tell him My son is not Jewish, but that's fine. What are you going to do? I was born Catholic. I got saved in college. I'm evangelical, I guess.

I guess. I don't know. I just don't like being pigeonholed as evangelical. Whatever. I'm a Christian. That's how I look at it. Final thoughts, Blake. Man.

Final thoughts. We need to cease our rebellion against God's time. We must submit to the noonday sun as God. ordained it when it is noon the sun is directly overhead it's not we're not doing this crap where it's at 2 p.m we're we're not going to do that final thoughts today i guess wish everybody a happy Halloween and jack a good day of terrorizing the neighborhood around him and uh tonight and so yeah congratulations jack on doing that um my final thoughts are what a great event at old miss and we talked about on the charlie kirk show today it was just like it was

so phenomenal and i'm still buzzing from it and we talked about it with jesse waters tonight so that's my final thought jack you should take us home and preview tuesday night tuesday night um for those asking of course we know it's going to be election night here in the united states and as such the traditional election night super stream on the charlie kirk show the charlie kirk rumble channel will continue and we will all be in person in the Charlie Kirk studio. Yes, the Tuesday, the thought crime crew, the super stream. We are all going to be there. We're going to be going to be going through this directly. We're going to go through the results. It might be a late night. Now we know obviously the three

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