The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 104 — Post-Election Palette Cleanser + Tucker/Fuentes Interview Reaction

Episode Date: November 8, 2025

Well, that election wasn't too fun, was it? Welp, we have no choice but to move on, and the TC crew has the topics to do it, including:   -What does everyone make of Tucker Carlson interviewing Nick Fuentes? -Is Zohran Mamdani going to destroy NYC with Gay Race Communism? -What is the "EBT of TikTok" trend?   Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're not in a little undisclosed location. One on assignment, one on assignment, of course. But for once, it's the whole thought crime crew all together. this is this is great blake you you were missed last week because we had a great um you know we we have a great lineup tonight we had we had we had or no you here you were here you were here last week and it was tyler who's missed tyler who was missed oh wait yes yes yes we did the hollween debate it was tyler who was yes yeah yeah i can't remember what happened you wait now i'm confused blake wait i was i was here last week well i was pro i haven't seen blake i haven't seen blake in like a month yeah yeah but he was the two

He was at the Vatican. He was at the nunnery, but they kicked him out, unfortunately. Not the Vatican. No, he was at everywhere. Did you go to the Vatican? Oh, yeah. He was in the tunnels. No, I've never been to the Vatican.

He was in the tunnels. He was in the tunnels. It's based. We'll go together. It's awesome. No, but Tyler, so we had a whole thing about how apparently nobody knows what mischief night is if you're not from like the Philadelphia area. So have you heard of mischief night?

Yeah, of course. That's the East Coast thing. Yeah, exactly. Nobody's heard of it. Don't act like everybody. I know about it because lots of outright. You know about because your wife. I know about it because my wife's from New Jersey.

There you go. Boom. And so mischief night's like a thing. 100%. Don't we have another name for it? You're a, you're an Arizona and you're a proud Western boy. In Arizona, they're going to call it Bursos.

In Arizona, they didn't celebrate it. But I remember when I, because I lived in New Jersey for two years, I met my wife in junior high. Yeah. And then we moved back to Arizona, but she's from New Jersey. But mischief night's like a big freaking deal. Like you take it seriously. It's like, it's more serious.

than Halloween. 100% And so what we They don't make movies about mischief night. Well, that's because it's local. But what I found out after the show

that no one had told me this before that apparently my grandmom used to participate in mischief night. So my aunt was telling us the story. She was like, oh yeah. Like we would all go down

to the corn field and we'd get a bunch of corn and we'd chuck it and we get the kernels and set them up into like bags and throw them at the neighbor's houses up and down the block. I'm like, Nana was doing... Wait, now, do you call her grandmom?

No, no, no, I called her Nana. But is that like another East Coast thing, Graham Mom? Because we always said, Graham. I had one was grandmom and one was Nana. I just saw the map for this. This is crazy. I wish I could drop this for you guys. We showed that last week.

We showed that exact map last week. Oh, you did. It was the whole conversation last week. I missed the map. Hold on. We have to go through it. So we're going to get to some. seriously spicy topics

today. But we're going to start with EBT of TikTok. Then we're going to get in a Nicki Mina. No, no, we got to start with, we got to start with Bollywood. Did Bollywood? Oh, Bollywood, okay. So, but we are going to talk about Tucker. We're going to talk about Tucker. He's been in the conversation. And everybody's asking us, well,

what about Tucker? What are your thoughts on Tucker? And, you know, it's like, we had an election, all right? We're going to focus on the election. Yep. But we have thoughts. We have thoughts. And this is thought crime. So you're going to hear them. All right. So then We're also going to talk about hijabs or bikini or burkini. Burkini, yeah.

And we're going to talk about Mom Donnie built NYC, all this and more. All right. So let's get us started on the first topic. All right. So let's just start with the clip because so Mom Dani wins on Tuesday night. And then that speech, which I know we all watched, I actually did watch it live. But there was something at the very end of his speech that happened. Play clip 335.

Yeah, 100% Can we hit the song, guys? It's apparently a song from a 2004 Bollywood movie There we go It's Blake

I feel like this is the Tyler What could be more American Than this Right Blake I have no association with this I have the same amount

I association with this As most of America It is of mischief night Yeah exactly So but Blake I feel like You've been making a lot of points About the third worldism Of it all right

Like how Zoron's actual Fundamental ID ideology is a antagonism towards the West an antagonism towards whiteness Europeanness, whatever you want to call it and this song just felt like a total

I heard it and I was like Blake's right yeah which is funny because like the song is whatever it's like some Bollywood thing no but it's the choice of playing it very much is that Mamdani himself does represent this

like how to put I can't I can't think because it's like mind he's the literal avatar of the Gimmie Grins. Yeah, yeah. It's like the Gimmigrant. It's that it's sort of this global ideology. It spans ethnic groups.

It spans national origin. To some extent, even spans like a lot of different sub political ideologies. It kind of, it really is like a line. Globalized the Intifata. So you were talking, you've been talking about that. We've been talking about it pretty much the entire campaign and that Charlie obviously talked about it many times.

And this was so interesting was Zoran Mundami talked about it when he got stage in and there were a lot of people van jones included um who said wow this seems like a different zora mandani it seems like he went full mask off and it's like van you should just you should just listen to us andrew i know you guys have been chatting a little bit it's like you guys should literally just listen to us because we called it and then he gets up there and he starts talking about the um was it the ethiopian aunties and the bengali uh and the mexican

line cooks and the abuela and the taxi drivers and it's like no that's literally what the right has been saying the entire time that he was going to do the entire time and it was angry it was bitter it was resentful and it was just grievance politics for specific groups of people targeted against other groups well you know it's funny aOC did a similar thing where she rattled off all these like minority groups she happened to include i think irish and italians but it was like it's complete fusionism it's complete it's complete uh intersectionality it's it's it's let's unite the world's marginalized as they would say to fight whitey that's is it true by the way that are are are all forks now banned in new york city has that gone through or does that wait until january well while we talk about it too don't forget that the new lieutenant governor of virginia is also a uh indian descent Muslim as well first statewide elected official ever female again first and first Muslim woman ever elected in the U.S. for a statewide office. Where was this?

Virginia. By the way, I want to play this clip from Virginia. Gazala Hashmi. It's relevant. Play cut 275. My family's back home in Kenya and how I see how things are going on. Like with families being separated as a human being, as a mother, separating families, especially children from their mothers or fathers.

I don't believe in that. So that made me come out and also come and vote. Okay, so she votes Democrats. So we have an immigrant. That was Jersey. Or excuse me, that was Virginia. Virginia, yes, voted for a Virginia Democrat candidate, Abigail Spanberger. So she votes for a Democrat because she's an immigrant from, she's a Muslim immigrant

from Kenya who doesn't like our immigration policies. So then she votes for the Democrat. And let's go in here. Because this is kind of what it all comes down to. Play clip 274. New York will remain a city of immigrants, a city built by immigrants, powered by immigrants. And as of tonight, led by an immigrant. So this is the part that we need to get into.

and this is this of all the things here because it's it's a city of immigrants agreed uh powered by immigrants at least today agreed but was new york city built by immigrants wait do we have that picture of the famous um the workers on the site the skyscraper building new york they looked like exactly they they these are the type of guys that are listening to that music that i want to put that picture up with that music playing because it's like and blake like just just walk me through this was new york city built by immigrants in the way that he's referring i mean the freedom tower kind of was man are you are you are you talking about whoa are you talking about one world trade center are you talking about building wouldn't exist are you talking about the immigrant pilots

yeah yeah immigrant pilots the immigrant pilots of new york city I think, you know, we have to include all possible, you know, immigrant sources. All the immigrant stories of, hey, we're just telling immigrant stories. We're listening to immigrant voices. Like, like great New York immigrants, like Muhammad Atta. Yeah. Wow. Who was approved for flight school after he died.

Yeah, one flight. Hey, only one flight, but it went down in history. Yes, exactly. He might be, in terms of time spent piloting a plane to infamy, he might be the most successful pilot of all time. Jesus. You know, I just, is that for you or for Muhammad Atta? That, so I find his speech really, really infuriating. We have led in so many immigrants.

And New York City has been the recipient of so many immigrants that it is, it no longer, we don't control it. Americans do not control it. And he's just, he's just spiking the football, like a total. I want to know how many illegals voted in this election. Probably not that many, to be honest. Well, New Jersey, by the way, has a huge per capita. Blake's opinion is like none. Mine is probably like, you know, uh, percentage.

You know, like Madison Square Garden full. I don't know. Somewhere it's, it's somewhere in between that. I don't know. I just don't think it's going to be that many. And even if it wasn't, what you don't wait, how many if you had a guess? What about how many? And by the way, this is not just illegals, but non-citizens.

Yeah, non-citizens and illegals. So visas, green cards. Okay, that's fair, fair. I should have expanded out to all that. That's what I meant. Yes. Not a citizen. I don't know, maybe a few hundred.

You think only a few hundred in the entire city of New York voted for Mamdani. I mean, why are they going to want to like conceivably take that risk just so they can vote for Mandani? Because they don't care. They've been told that they're totally fine. And plus voting for Mom Donnie, they're not going to want like the Trump administration to come in and potentially arrest them. for that. That's the reason why they voted. That's the reason why they vote. The thing about it is a lot of illegal immigrants just don't even care about

U.S. elections. That's a big thing about them. Like, even, you know, people who just are here from foreign countries, very briefly, don't, they're just not invested in American politics for the most part. I feel like, I feel like this is a great task for the Civil Rights Division at the

DOJ to identify, I think, our good friend. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing you can do. You can just take, send in the DOJ and feel free to indict every single person who illegally voted because who voted is a public record. I think Harmeet Dillon is the right woman for the job. She should move forward on identifying how many

100%. We should arrest everyone who votes illegally. We should indict and arrest everyone who votes illegally. Especially because they're the sort of community that, you know, when you go after James Comey, James Comey's going to be able to have like a ton of lawyers and he's ready to like fight a big legal throwdown. But if you're correct and thousands of people cast illegal ballots, you can totally indict a huge number of them and it's both expensive to try to defend all of them

and it will put the fear of God in these immigrant communities who mostly like, again, they don't want to put their whole. The PR campaign for America would be like, don't do this. And again, even if it's hundreds to your point, which is like you're in like the most conservative position on that, right?

Probably. Not like conservative, big C, but like little see yeah is that it's hundreds hundreds of people getting in big trouble for this is a big deal so i would i would say go ahead and do that if that's the case but i don't i get i guess i get annoyed because it's often a sort of automatic take from the right that they just assume this is happening and i would just say if it is that obvious you also can't assume that it's not the automatic take from the right is that it's enough to flip the election i agree with your sentiment probably not this election not enough to flip this election but how many down ballot races does

this type of thing end up impacting in other elections Before we get too far off topic So yes Investigate it But I do want to I do want to get back

On topic a little bit And guys I want to throw a picture And Andrew I want to get your sense of this Throw a picture 337 These are the people

The studio loves this Bollywood train Yeah These are the guys Who Build America And no They weren't Listening to this type

of music They might have been immigrants Certainly, they might have been. And certainly the people, here's what I want to explain, though. They were certainly the people who built New York City and the skyscrapers. There is a fundamental difference between the people who came as settlers, the people who came as colonists, and the people who are coming to use Blake's phrase as the gimmigrants, as the people who are coming to take from the society that Mamdani specifically stated was and is his. political agenda which will be the next political agenda going forward and I'm not going to

by the way if if New York wasn't built by European settlers why is it called that why is it called that yeah like it's literally called New York which and Blake I believe York at one point was the capital of England it was a capital of one of the kingdoms I think of Northumbria yeah yeah yeah so but like London wasn't always the capital it got sacked by the Vikings and they took the king and they carved a blood eagle on him that was the Normans right no no the Vikings did this is way back in like Viking aging okay so Norman Conquest wasn't until 1066 but the the Vikings came as early into 1700s yeah yeah okay so but anyways listen here's the deal my take on this is you know and actually Blake I think you circulated this it was a substack

it was really interesting and if you really want the full picture America was settled by mostly Anglos right and there was a lot of pushback to some of the immigrant classes that came, the polls, the Italians, the Irish, all this stuff. And they, there was concern. And actually, there are movies about this. A lot of the mystique of America being built, being a nation of immigrants came out of that wave. And it actually changed the way the nation talked about itself. And there was concern even about letting in those cultures. Now, we know in retrospect, they assimilated very well, because they happened to be mostly European, mostly Christian. No, even then, even then, it actually like, it needed a big lift to do it.

And what the lift was. In World War I in the aftermath, we basically quite aggressively cracked down on vestigial, uh, non-assimilated elements of a lot of European immigrants to the U.S. So there used to be a lot of German language newspapers, a lot of German language stuff. Oh, I was going to say. And we had the anti-German frenzy in World War one and stamped that out. And so, you know, I grew up. in a place with a lot of Germans. No one knows German in the Dakotas. And then you would have people, like, didn't, and the British royal family actually, like, changed their name. They changed their name. They were, they were pretty fully assimilated. But this, but they, it was German and they anglicized. This substack basically makes the case that it's semi-miraculous that we were able to to assimilate these people because of the greatness of America, but also these huge cataclysmic events like World War I and World War II. But it did end up creating this narrative that America is a nation of immigrants, which means. way for the 19th the heart cell uh yeah yeah so which which then gave them a a foothold to say hey we're just a nation of immigrants and so it doesn't matter where you're from well that's not at all

how we got from point a to point b point a was we're anglo we don't want italians and irish and polls then it was like well we just defeated the nazis and saved the western world so i guess they're cool now and we're all one nation and everybody's like well we did it once we can do it again but here's the thing you went you that's like three standard deviations from like assimilating European Christians and Catholics to oh we can have somebody like Zoramandani who's a Muslim from Uganda slash Indian descent. Hit the song. Hit the song.

To me the most important thing about it is just that he ran pretty aggressively on and overtly on what you might call, you know, race communism where he's going to say the objective of my administration is to target people who are white to take their money. You can't leave out the fact that where did you. he hold his i mean i don't know if these were rallies but they were his last public appearances right before the election on saturday night and sunday night in new york city what what were those clubs again by the way those those clubs that he was appearing at the alf alfabic club the abcc club yes that's pretty funny yeah like one a year it is campaigning at gay clubs yeah here it is b rolls up uh this is zoron

at the gay club at one one gosh yeah that is a fact you know we do bring it up but But, like, you know, it's an important thing where we bring up that, you know, we'll call him the, you know, foreign, the Muslim socialist. But, like, the Islam part is actually not a core part of his identity. No, this is not part of, like, the way it was part of Muhammad. This is why, yeah, this is why calling him a jihadist is kind of washed. But I mean, yeah, it's kind of played out. Is that really a gay club? Yes, it is.

He identifies as Muslim to the extent that he wants to show he is basically not American. Right, right. So he's not American. Right. using it as in I'm not American part of his ideology. And he says this on stage. He's like, he's like, I am a Muslim and make sure it's like

make sure to pronounce it that way. It's like the old SNL skit where any time you talk about like whenever we're talking about Latin America, they suddenly have to have these weird fake accents. No, no. Finnerty was just talking. Oh, Finnerty, you don't you know. Rob Wyrnty. And I came on and I was like,

I was like, ah, yeah, we have broadcasting from Managua. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, and he's like, you know, and it's just like, it's, it's ridiculous. It's completely ridiculous. So, so, yeah, that's New York City. And I think we need to, and just to put a pin on this, because I do want to get to some of these other topics.

And we did promise a little bit of a spicy topic that we do need to fight for the story of who actually built America's cities and who actually built America's greatness. And no, it was not like just this sort of vague, all. immigrants built America story like that's just it's just wrong and it's led to bad policy exactly that's why I brought up that outcomes that's why I brought up that substack is because we changed the myth the story that we told ourselves as a nation after that first wave of early it was late 19th but mostly early 20th century wave of immigrants so spot on and when we did that we fundamentally changed the the character of the country now we were able to assimilate but

But listen, that is one thing. This is entirely another. And to just continually say to ourselves, we can keep assimilating and keep a nation, I think is a fooled errand. But this is when you talk about the myths that we tell, the story, reclaiming the story, this is Jennifer Welch to Medi Hassan at Zoran's victory party saying,

you know, if it was all white people in here, it would be boring. And Americans have no culture except multiculturalism. 338. the type of something. It was all white people here right now. They were being boring and I've grown up in those circles. Everybody needs to spice because of color in their lives. Life's a lot better. That's the coolest thing about Americans. Americans have no culture except for multicultural. Well said. And we need to teach people how to embrace that. These prusting white people, they would learn to have to embrace it.

It's actually like, that's actually a truly despicable thing. And they say this a lot. Yeah. Like, white people have no culture. No, like, screw you. I could say a stronger word here, except, you know, the spirit of Charlie would smite me. Like, screw you for saying that. No, Europeans actually have a tremendous amount of culture. Americans have a tremendous amount of culture. To the extent that they say this, it's because, like, these awful people come in and, like, demean them, deny they, like, have any sort of cultural status as a way to justify dispossessing and displacing them. Hey, guess what? there's culture that isn't just like whatever slop you guys eat that you call like your national cuisine that was probably still invented by a freaking European anyway a lot of

it was yeah yeah chicken tiki masala chicken masala invented in edgaro salmon sushi invented by norwegians actually it's really good some of these things like oh wow like it just it's disgusting it's actively disgusting and not the least yes it was yeah and not the least i want to go to edibor now but then you but then it got really big in london it's like yeah it's just you know it's like they do this a lot where Austria has the best Middle Eastern cuisine. All right, hold on. And beyond that, and beyond that, it's like

the United States of America, the nation that gave us rock music, Hollywood, the nation that gave us Mark Twain, the nation that gave us, you know, stories like Paul Bunyan, the nation that gave us Daniel Boone, the nation that gave us Davy Crockett,

the Alamo, the infinity number things. We don't have a culture in the nation that gave us country music. the blues the blues jazz and we just have this slop

white people don't have a culture no like flip the bird to those people go off king absolutely absolutely violent

but guys no it's not really a culture unless I can make some like obnoxious like Instagram post about being immersed

and like Blake doesn't it's not really a culture unless you have a different name for your grandmother that's like not an English word it's not really a culture

unless you have an abuela or whatever so let's let's just look at this guys because I know we I know we got a segue into our spicy topics but it's it's really simple as this we can have God bless America we could have God bless the USA or we can

have I thought you were going to go with like Allah Akbar or something like yeah yeah I mean it's really disgusting I mean the amount of self-loathing that liberal white America has for itself India has 1.4 billion people I mean written one song and made one movie

but this is really simple though this is just like that you talk about the cities that were built in America, the ingenuity, the actual cultures that came together to build what was initial, they don't care about any of that. They're just going to knock it all down and start over and replace it. It's the fall of Rome. I mean, it's just like you go through these European cities. You see it like these, and I just brought up Austria. Like you go to Vienna. Vienna's a beautiful city has a ton of historic nature to it. But you can tell very rapidly the places that have been defaced and replaced with Middle Eastern influence that they've completely rebuilt over the top

and all the Austrians have moved out and that those are the cultures that moved in and they don't care and obviously they're going to eliminate and eradicate all the historic elements that were there that's going to be just tread underneath their feet and this is and New York is and by the way there's way more preservation of history in my opinion in these European cities than America has. America has no culture of historic preservation. In fact, we've eradicated our own history in most cases with Gothic architecture and everything else. Art Deco. We have some. We have some. No, but we like, New York City tearing down. No, not even New York City. I'm talking about like the Midwest.

The terminal. Think about some of the places in the Midwest, Kansas City. Yes. They leveled all of the originating architecture that was their Chicago had a ton of this. It was eliminated. Milwaukee actually still has some up that you can, but like, so you can see some of this in Milwaukee. Like when we had the R&C last year, Tanya and the kids went over to like them.

It's just like the Milwaukee library. Yeah. And it's just this, it's like a cathedral. It's gothic. It's amazing. You know, we can puncture.

We can like, and it's like go through the elephant in the room. A lot of American urban culture was wiped out because we had white flight in the 60s because of the last time. libs got like total cultural domination and they decided to quadruple the crime rate overnight and have riots run everywhere so people had to leave you know when it happens in other countries it's called ethnic cleansing when that happens but I guess in America it was just like I guess the people who left were bad because they didn't want to be murdered like we've

literally done an entire podcast yeah like you go to you go to Detroit and it's just like oh there's all these beautiful abandoned homes and all the people just had to leave I guess so I mean I experienced this in in a very small way in my hometown where you know ethnic whites you know Italian Irish and Polish like myself and section 8 came in and crime came in

and then it became a sanctuary city which they still want to do remember big left wing idea and this is you know right outside Philadelphia and they just block busting obviously it was a huge part of that and that's that's almost exactly what happened to my family where this this tight knit

not like working class area but tight knit great architecture Wait, while we're on this topic, because I think you're going to smash. The Bronx used to have one of the largest Jewish populations in the United States. If I was king of the world, I would force America to have to, you only had three options for architectural styles. Art Deco and the major cities, neoclassical or Gothic. What about colonial? There's other styles.

I don't know. No, those are my three. Every town should have its queen and revival. Those are like the fun houses that have like the little, turrets and stuff. But that being said, Blake's got a point, though, because if you just keep importing people from parts of the world that have no care about that whatsoever, you're just going to get the extended fabula. So what's interesting. Of India or like Brazil or whatever, Rio. If you're a listener to the Charlie Kirk Show, you know that Charlie built an amazing community

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is that even white flight, Blake, have you ever noticed that it's been, it's your whole life it's been talked about as if it was like the white people's, like they get judged. Yeah, it's their fault. The white people are bad for fleeing. Everything is white people's fault.

All things are white people's small. And by the way, as a great segue, um, when I appeared on Tucker's tour last year in Pennsylvania, he specifically asked me to tell my story. And where we did that in Reading, Pennsylvania, which was pretty much, you know, like 20, 25 minutes from where I grew up. So the whole, you know, everyone in the area is, we're in the Northeast and everyone in the

area knew what I was talking about and knew about these different, um, these different trends and these different pressures that we were all experiencing about how we completely just blew up these communities. And like, I lived in a town where the people on my block were, uh, were all the, you know, all the adults in my block were the people that my father had played with his kids when he grew up on the same block so like i grew up in the same house that my father grew up in and and that his sisters grew up in and that we had had for it was built in 1901 and this was like beautiful wood architecture uh tyler we had stained glass sliding doors in our dining room and that was like i i still want to go back and buy them actually because i drive by the house a lot and

Tucker brought this up to say hey look you know this is not like a an approved topic but it's something that happened to a lot of people and it's like and I've talked to like Jeremy Carl like I've talked to Jeremy Carl about this and he's like I totally get where you're coming from with your politics because you just want to get your hometown back like that's and that's really all it boils down to for me yeah it's like they took from me some like

I always define success as like you know not like the amount of dollars in my bank account or whatever it was just like having a nicer house in the in my hometown like you know what I mean like that was being successful. Yeah, the amount of cultural displacement that's happened, you know, it's interesting, if you get a city that gentrifies, right, a lot of money comes in, this happened in the 90s, early 2000s,

because, oh, we got tough on crime. And so investment came back in, money came back in, prices went up. There was so much ink spill, books written about cultural displacement for urban, the urban minorities, right, during that time. But when the shoe was on the other foot and white communities get, displaced because of crime that is expanding outward into white neighborhoods or ethnic white neighborhoods like you grew up in Philly. There's zero compassion on that cultural experience. There's zero acknowledgement that bad policy has led to more violent neighborhoods and run down

degraded neighborhoods. And I think it's a shame. But anyways, Tucker Carlson, Tucker. So, yeah, I'll set the stage. So, so, and look, you know, that that was kind of my segue point, was that was that of all the things that you know i was expecting to talk about on you know on a live it was a live podcast but also a live show a huge stadium uh santander arena in in redding absolutely sold out and tucker's like i just want you to talk about your hometown i'm like really okay sure you know and and um and so i did and so getting into the tucker question um you know i think that's what tucker is all about and and he's obviously you know always wants to get in find new stories and find new things to talk about and he obviously has been no stranger to

controversy and he has had a lot of controversy this week or i should say there's been controversy about him uh because of a particular interview um he had nick fuentes on a couple i guess it's a couple of weeks ago at this point or it was last week um unless you're exactly recently and um and and a lot of people have been saying should he have had him on is he ruining the world is the sky falling because he did an interview. Tucker's had obviously people who were considered controversial before. He's had Vladimir Putin on. He's had, I think, Labrov on as well. He's just kind of his job. So, you know, this was going around and a lot of people were saying, oh, you guys got a comment, you guys got a comment. And I was like, no, there's an election. Actually, I'm going to focus on

that. We should probably explain to people what we're reacting to because not everyone. And, and, but no, well, this is my setup to say, okay, but now the election is over. And so let's talk about it. So Blake, you... What are we talking about? So, Blake, as a former, you know... What is the thought crime statement? No, no, I even was the thought crime statement, but like, I'm not sure everyone even knows what we're referring to with Tucker necessarily.

Why don't you explain it, Blake? I just mentioned about having Nick on. Wouldn't you... You're good at explaining this. Wait, you're... Tyler, you're just looking at your phone. Is there... We're a hot phone down.

I'm not. I'm preparing for this topic. No, I'm serious. Is there something other than him having Nick on? Well, it's the way that the interview was conducted. I will tell you that. That's part of it, right? A lot of people, a lot of people feel it was too, it was too soft.

A lot of people are upset because Nickus Carlson, Tucker Carlson had Nicholas Fuentes on his show. He had him out to Maine. Obviously, Fuentes had a quite long and one-sided obsession with our boss, I believe, or, you know, our late boss. And so that's colored it a lot. And it's also just colored another way. So it's actually, for those who aren't following it online, it's had this sort of thunderous aftermath. I can give a background here with that to like lean into that. I mean, the reality is Nick has a bunch of followers that they call themselves Groyper's.

They largely are young men. If we could say that, it's not all men, but it's largely young men. Many have had some kind of interaction with turning point in a negative way. And in most cases, I would say, do not feel warmly invited mainly around the Israel issue. Because Turning Point historically has been a pro-Israel organization. And a lot of these young men, their single issue, if you can say there's a single issue, is they're distrust or just outright hatred for the state of Israel. Is that that's like that?

Yeah, yeah, that's basically. And then you have a number of other layered things on top of that, which are, you know, some, some issues on race. Well, I mean, things like that. Nick has been, it's been vitriolic towards Charlie. It's been very open about it. He said nasty things about Erica. He's been really nasty about, yeah, Israel. He's been nasty to Tucker, actually.

They've gotten to their own spat. And I think people were expecting, I feel, yeah, NJD. I think they were, I think they were expecting this to be. a much more contentious interview is one of the main things I've heard. I wasn't expecting that because it's just not what Tucker would do. I wanted to pull up. I know we didn't pull it because, but I know Charlie

wasn't talked about a lot, but I do think they mentioned him a little bit in the well and then the other thing I think we're in the context of violence. And I do want to make this clear. There was a lot of pushback because Tucker said essentially that he just at the

think the exact quote was he despised Christian Zionist. And then so that was a huge, a huge bone of contention for the evangelical community, especially the dispensationalists, that believe that, you know, the current nation state of Israel is, you know, prophetically foretold of in scriptures and that they do represent sort of a, a very important prophetic, you know, timeline peace the current nation state of israel to you know god's ultimate plan for humanity right so so so you've got this whole dynamic going on i want to say that tucker ended up going on dave smith's podcast and walk that back the his that he despises christians he just walked it back he apologized he apologized he said i i apologize what i was upset about what he said was he was

upset that there was bombings of christian churches in gaza and that people did not apologize that he feels they were intentional um and obviously see israel i think he said that he he and just not like i'm not taking you this i don't i'm just trying to quote it that he was saying that he thought that christian leaders weren't outspoken about that enough yeah and i'm gonna i'm gonna i think i have the exact but it says but at the same time he he did fully apologize i said i really regret saying that i didn't fully mean it i said it because i was mad which is when i say i don't really mean when i get pissed my wife's always telling me this i was snippy and I didn't explain it.

And I said something to the effect that I despise Christian Zionists and I'm just sorry that I said that because I don't, I was just mad at a certain kind of thinking. Some of the nicest people I know are Christian Zionists actually. You know, if you're in a car crash, they would save you. If you needed someone to watch your bank account, they wouldn't steal from you. They're like really good people and sweet people. So he tried to do it. And then he clarified that he was upset about the church bombies in Gaza that more Christian

leaders weren't calling it out. Yeah. So, I mean, And Blake, I think you said it really well, and I hate to keep putting you on the spot here, but you have a history with Tucker, and that's why I think there's, you know, I don't want to say you're being cynical or something, but you just, you didn't have high hopes for it. No, so it's like, I mean, when you watch it, you kind of, it basically went as I about expected it to.

It wasn't 100% friendly. He does, if you watch the whole interview, it's about two hours long, I think. he does at some point he questions Nick like okay you seem to sort of have a somewhat hate based ideology or like he he kind of paints entire groups

all the same way and you know he pushes him a bit on that but at the same time it's Nick he has a pretty long history he's been online a long time there's a lot of clips as they might say and you don't need to like nitpick every single thing because it is true some of what he says is clearly

just attempting to be transgressive, comedic, funny. Actually, some of the wildest of people obsess about when he says, like, he loves Hitler or whatever. A lot of that is even in that vein. But there's still a lot of stuff that, you know, you could talk about.

So you're having Nick Fuentes on, who, among other things, is famous for this long-running feud with Charlie Kirk. Well, Nick Fuentes, within the past month, basically said, you know, everyone's thinking this, you know, Erica Kirk looks extremely happy that her husband's dead. This is whatever. everyone's thinking, everyone's talking about it, okay, I, I know Erica, I don't think she's

happy that her husband died. I think that's a pretty, I think it's a pretty hurtful thing. I think that's a hurtful thing to say. And I'm a little, I'm a little disappointed. Tucker didn't bring that up or push him on that. You know, why, why did you say that, Nick? Why, why did you say that about a woman whose husband was just murdered? Why did you? And I think he just didn't, he didn't ask about that. He didn't ask about some of the stuff he said, about J.D. Vance. And I think more broadly, he let, especially in the early part, he definitely just seated the stage for Nick to give his narrative of his life, where basically, I'm just a normal America first guy, and then the Jews just were constantly messing with me and sabotaging me,

whether it was Ben Shapiro or various other people, which several of those people came out and said his narrative was a misleading, self-aggrandizing lie. I don't know the truth about it. I'm not obsessed with his history but he basically just kind of let him tell that and it's clear Tucker approved of that narrative that basically he was buying into oh yeah those darn Jews just came in and messed with Nick because he you know wanted to have America first foreign policy okay I think there's probably a few other things he did that made people not like Nick or dig into okay Nick you have a lot of burned former colleagues who don't like you for this reason. There's like weird things where people

say he has like a lot of associations with like outright sex predators and stuff. You could get into a lot of that. You could get into even like the Stalin clip. A lot of people drop that up. He just says he kind of throws out like oh, I love Stalin. Why don't we pause and pick at that? You know, Tucker, you picked at Ted Cruz because he didn't know enough cities and he didn't know enough facts about Iran.

Could we pick at Nicholas Fuentes for saying he loves a guy who killed tens of millions of people possibly? millions of Christians including them when we care about the fate of Christians here or do they only matter when they're in Gaza? The Stalin thing really bothered me because I think that accentuated that there was like a overlooking of like

It created the look of the scene when it happens is that he had an environment where he wanted to only mildly question Fuentes and then he was caught off guard when Fuentes said something that was really freaking bad and he's like I listened to the whole both this interview

and when Tucker was on Dave Smith. And I think Tucker also mentions this on Dave Smith. And he, I'm trying to remember this from memory. But he sort of said, like, I was caught so off guard that I wish I had said something and that he didn't. So he did actually. Yeah, but we've all seen Tucker on. Yeah, yeah, no. I'm not disputing that.

I'm just saying that's what he said. And we've seen Tucker. And again, maybe his frame of mind was he was being his friend. I can totally buy that his frame of mind is like he's giving this guy a shot. And he really believes he's extremely talented and that maybe his outreach can guide him to a better, more Tucker-like version of Nick Fuentes. And honestly, I hate even spending this much time on it. But there's a part of me that thinks that that was like his goal. And I'm not agreeing with that.

I'm just saying I think that that was kind of the goal. Like a big brother. Because of that whole Stalin situation. And again, I'm not saying that's okay. I'm not saying that like that's what I would have done Charlie wouldn't have done that Yeah like you want the Tucker who's like Excuse me Stalin? Yeah like what

Yeah like what are you talking really like a guy who killed tens of millions of people I mean including millions of Christians like how could how could your ideological Christian priests how could your how could your ideological Cinering be around Stalin and explain that to us like where the point you come from Because I think actually that epitomizes and I I think if if the guy was here and now he would tell you the same thing part of his ideology is he agrees with an authoritarian you know slightly communist version of whatever his current worldview is and that's part of the reason why he thinks so greatly of him and and again that and again i know that that's not that's not Tucker's worldview i know that

we know Tucker and i actually do buy that he was probably so caught off guard by that and his headspace was in another place entirely probably what you were saying that he was trying But it shows that he doesn't really know who this guy is and what that movement is. We've gotten to know that movement. And again, like we know they exist in the aura of whatever, right? But we totally disagree with like the whole. There's a whole communist faction that's underlying with a lot of these guys that are outright communist that think that like the 1917 revolution is great. And we saw elements of this come out.

Which, by the way, what's his name? And by the way, that's Hassan Piker said that at the Mondi. victory party he was talking about how he actually said i wish the united states had not defeated the soviet union and so we i i do i don't think that all kids realize they're signing up for that when they follow these guys and again i think that there's an element here where maybe like maybe tucker's not totally aware of that existence but i think he is now i think people should be now they should be aware that there's a whole communist angle to that entire movement that we totally disagree with and that there's nothing there that you could possibly ever commend well and i do

want to also and that's the reality of it for me like ideologically is that i mean i studied i mean that's our connection i studied soviet arab politics there's so much intrinsically evil and communist ideology that it to me it's like kind of messing with ghost or spirit it's like was that a joke or was that or like you really mean that it's like you messing with communist ideologies like messy with a wiji because it's a it's a hard in the interest in the interest of just fairness um so the only time that i think charlie came up at all a few times which which were a few times three or four times in it and i'm going through the transcript right now um you know it's it's it's them speaking out against violence it's it's nix saying that never should have happened that that

that Charlie was a conservative guy, relative moderate. He's not a politician. You know, he got shot. And then 100,000 liberals went on TikTok and celebrated. And then how can you, you know, integrate or harmonize with that? So, I mean, he was talking about violence, which is what made. That was Nick. And then so you hear, you know, so it, which does make the solid thing.

Like, you're like, wait, what does that mean? And he even said that, um, they, they actually had a really good part where they were talking about. And I say good in relative terms, but I thought it was good that this narrative got out that when they were talking about Tyler Robinson and talking about some of these new revelations, which we haven't even done on thought crime yet, of the Discord messages and some of the,

there's like this leaker now in the Tyler Robinson friend group. Yeah, you sent that link. And they mention this. So they're mentioning the LSD use. They're mentioning the weed use, the drug use, the discords, the chat GPT obsession. of the roommate in this. This is the transgender boyfriend

in all of it. And so they, you know, it wasn't like a long time they were talking about it. But, you know, what did he say? So I got the transcript again here. You know, this psychoactive substances make believe reality of the internet

totally disconnected from the real world. And I think they enter into this delusional state. I think that's where the shooter in Minneapolis, I think that if Tyler and if Tyler Robinson is found guilty, there's these interesting screen shots about him and his transgender boyfriend. It's the same story there. If that's true, I'd imagine it's not dissimilar with the guy who showed up.

And he's talking about the time there was a guy who tried to, you know, allegedly tried to kill Nick as well, was, you know, was in kind of one of these, like, almost fugue states and was talking. So they were talking about political violence, right? They were talking about political violence and being extremely against it. And, you know, obviously that's what, you know, makes the Stalin comment weird. But that was the only time they brought up Charlie directly in the whole interview. Yeah. Well, listen, I, yeah, I mean, sorry, were you, okay, good, I'm not, I'm not cutting anybody off. But there was, I just want to point out that they did actually discuss Tyler Robinson, kind of in depth.

Yeah, and I just want to say something as well, though, too, is that the, and we should talk more about that, because the radicalization elements and the drug use and this leaker is, like, actually a big development. But I would say that, you know, here, you know, I saw a lot of people, like, on social media, but basically sharing a speaker graphic from, before Charlie even died of Amfest. Is the Amfest one, yeah. Yeah. Charlie still on it. With Tucker and Charlie's still on it. And everybody's like, you know, all these people that now hate Tucker are like,

you're disgrace, what you have done, what you've done is discreet. And I'm like, you, how are we disgracing Charlie's let you? This is Charlie's graphic that he published when he was alive. And you're acting like we've somehow done something to disgrace Charlie. And I will tell you one other thing, though. Charlie, I'm sure, would have been disappointed with aspects of that interview, probably that it even happened, okay? But I will tell you this, if you put Charlie against a corner and you tried to back him up against a wall, he would defy any moral blackmail that you can imagine. It was the one thing that I saw time and time and time again from Charlie, especially in the last couple of years.

Like when you tried to coerce him or control him or emotionally manipulate him, like he would have defied the heck out of you. just to defy you and not be controlled by you 100%. And I cannot reiterate what Andrew is saying enough. And I know we all agree with this, but I just want to reiterate this. I don't always agree with any. I mean, you get married to people. You don't always agree with them, right? Like you're clearly not always going to agree with everything that comes out of Tucker's mouth.

We don't agree with everything that comes out of everyone's mouth that we invite to America Fest and that speak or that work with us. That doesn't mean that they're not, they still can't be your friend. and Tucker was a friend to Charlie, Charlie was a friend to Tucker. And, you know, where it goes from here, you know, Tucker could change his entire mantra and everything else, right? But there is still always going to exist a friendship and a memory that exists with those two gentlemen. And we are way too close to the death of Charlie Kirk to be flying off the handles. and making, you know, preconceived notions about people and where their heads at.

And again, that's not to say that you're not going to disagree with him more later on, or you're not going to, or that you're always going to be in the same place that you were, the day that Charlie was taken off this earth. It was taken from us. But you're always going to have that same bond that exists there and that respect that everyone should have mutually respecting anyone that loved Charlie that much and that Charlie loved equally because again Blake's work for the man has vocally disagreed with him in this segment that we're talking about yeah you could still have all that exists I think

you're the only one who work for both and I want to say this is just in this finish with this is just you might be the only one exists you can honor Charlie's life by honoring that relationship and that doesn't necessarily mean you have to agree we've gotten questions. We get emails about this and I respond to some of them where I just say like I mean Charlie faced a lot of pressure to D platform Tucker a lot and he consistently pushed back on that and I don't know how Charlie would have reacted to this Nick interview in this world where it happens while he's still around which could plausibly have happened I think. I don't know how he'd have reacted to that but we know how he responded to other things that made people pressure him and I'll be honest I think Charlie probably would not have like to this interview that took her day. I would have been quite annoyed with it. He would have been annoyed with it on several levels. There's no, there's actually really no doubt about it. Yeah, yeah, basically, yeah, no doubt. He would have been really upset about it. Yeah, he had been annoyed that it happened and, but more annoyed at like the nature of how it unfolded. Yeah, less

less so that it happened probably than than the tone and tenor of it. Yeah, exactly. But, but then the question, the, there's, the second aspect of this is would it have risen to the level of what all of these you know this this like you know catar walling cacophony of whatever you know Greek choir saying now turning point must do this no exactly so this is

what I want to this is a good point because it kind of reminds me of the underlying issue itself which is Israel and I say this time and again it's like the world wants to force you into one of two buckets pro or anti and my opinion there is about

a hundred iterations between those two polar extremes. And yes, I think I expressed this the first time we talked about it, Blake. You could be disappointed in the way somebody talks about it, or conducts an interview. But to Tyler's point, while respecting the relationship and the friendship that is authentic, and by the way, I have a friendship with Tucker. I'm sure many of us do. And it's like, you know, I have a personal, you know, friendship with him. I actually really like the guy on a personal level and so you got to contend with that and beyond that is to understand that we exactly tyler charlie has barely been gone from us and and to think that we are in a position where that feels

morally right to sort of to sort of upset the apple cart and change uh something that was so fundamental and so publicly expressed multiple times and privately expressed about these are his wishes these are his wishes this is his organization he built this and if somebody thinks that you're going to emotionally coerce us or morally blackmail us to do something, especially the soon afterwards, like, you know, go pound sand, honestly. Yeah, and we're also, look where we are. But, but here's the thing. I, I also love those people that, that are, are frustrated about that.

And so it's like, listen, we are, you, when, when the whole movement is fighting against itself, then we're not going to win elections. We're not going to be focused on, on taking ground or, or taking territory. It's just going to be all some giant distraction. And I just reject the premise in a general sense. No, I was just going to say, I mean, guys, let's zoom out for a second. We know where we are. Look where we're sitting right now.

This is the Charlie Kirk Studio. This is the Charlie Kirk Chair. It's the Bitcoin.com Charlie Kirk's Studio. Hey! Got to get back to that, by the way. It's a whole other thing. But, no, it's Charlie's chair, and we leave the chair empty for a reason, right? We leave the chair empty out of honor for our friend.

and that's the reason that it's there and what was it sick not even not even two months yet it's not even two months and we're sitting here going through all of this and then people are coming in trying to make demands and trying to make people say oh you know this is about you know this is about what are you going to do it's like well how about we're just going to honor charlie's wishes how about yeah we're going to try our best how about not even that we're just going to do our best to try our best because it's like that's that's what that's the world in which we're living in right now is like everyone literally just trying to do their best to not speak for charlie you know you just don't do that to the to the dead you don't do that to those who have moved on that's right

you try to live up to the standard that they left the the the expectations that you know that he had for you and that you have for yourself because by the way what how about this how about you pick up a phone and you call people instead of instead of trying to just tweeting at them or even get or even better get to work do something productive yeah that's what i've said back to people it's like do something productive but here's the thing again i had this old pastor friend he actually uh married my wife and i at our wedding but he used to say the meaning of life is relationship relationship with god relationship with one another and i so believe that actually because you know and when when we talk about this we're talking about this we're talking about

talking about it in the context of, like I said, I have a friendship with Tucker. Charlie has a friendship with had a friendship with Tucker. Jack, you have a friendship with Tucker. Blake, you have a friendship. That has not precluded any of us to say, wish the interview would have maybe been a little bit different. But the point is that these things are done in the context of relationship. And we also like, forgive us our trespasses, you know, Lord, you know, as we forgive those who trespass against us. Forgive us first. Yeah. And by the way, and by the way, Like, I don't have a relationship with Nick Fuentes. I've never met the guy.

I, so, and by the way, it's always been contentious, but I do have one with some of these people that we're talking about. And that means something to me. So, listen, and by the way, that means something to me when I'm talking about some of the evangelicals that are upset or some of the Jewish friends that are upset. I get it. This is contentious stuff. But, like, instead of just going for the, you know, the, yeah, you can't even say that stuff anymore. I know.

I know. I was about to say it, I was about to say it. And it's like, oh, right. going for the click bait instead of going for cheap clicks or blowing up relationships or blowing up coalitions

I talked about this all the time with Charlie and actually I didn't talk about it all the time it became a very very important conversation probably two weeks before he died Charlie and I had like an hour long conversation about this I'll never forget it and it was based off of a bunch of texts we sent back and forth to each other

and then we talked about it And it was basically putting a hierarchy of the virtues, as the Greeks had them. And he was basically saying, like, listen, anybody can tear down. Anybody can, anybody can, you know, be an ankle bider. Anybody for performative clickbait measures, just say crazy stuff. And but what is much rarer in the higher of the virtues is being a philosopher, being a statesman, being a coalition builder. And he was very, very clear that the mission of turning point is to not be

ankle biters not to be performative like social media artists is none of that stuff it's to be coalition builders and statesmen and philosophers and and and by god we are by god's grace we are going to pursue that mission on charlie's behalf and on turning points behalf and for the country's behalf because listen like there's a lot of people that want to tear each other down and i'm just like again i'm going to say it i'm going to reject the premise i'm rejecting the premise and we're going to try and keep the darn coalition together if it's the last darn thing any of us do and there's something that Tyler said that it just has to be brought up the timing of this is they launched all of this at the time we were having an election at the time that we were having a contentious

election a couple of key races so we just talked about mondami in new york city we just talked about jersey we've been talking about jersey we've been talking about virginia etc jones by the way talking about political violence right what is it 1.5 million people just voted for a guy who said he wants to kill our kids so that's yeah that's great so we're supposed to unite with those people now we're supposed to we're supposed to harmonize with them and all of these people spent their time infighting spent their time ankle biting attacking um you know you know attacking one another and doing this infighting what were they not doing talking to their followers about going out and getting involved in the race some talking about some were telling their followers

to actively not vote i mean it's just it's just like it's ridiculous and it's ridiculous and guys we've seen this before i mean we've been tracking this for a long time. We just went through an entire election cycle where there are people that were adjacent. I'm not going to say Groyper's in total and totality here, but adjacent to Groyper's, but there were many of these people, too, that are Nick followers who were telling people actively not to vote. This is not a new thing. This is, and it's weird, it's not weird to me, everything happens for a reason, but isn't it weird that this happened just a few weeks before this, you know, this election.

I mean, I'm just going to tell you, I'm not going to be the conspiracy theorist here, but I do believe there's a lot of funding and a lot of pushing and polling, and some of this is organic, some of it is not organic, where there is actual pushing to try to harm Republicans in elections leading up to elections on this stuff. I don't disagree. This is Lane Schoenberger, Chief Investment Officer and Founding Partner of Why

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to hit. Blake, you should drive. You know, it's like, it's a Blake, what is EBTs of TikTok? So obviously we already have lives of TikTok. Chia Rachechik was a big pioneer of highlighting. how are we say it. I don't know these names. Yeah. Anyway, so

Haya, Haya, Ritch, whatever. It's like Chonika. Chana. Yeah. Look, I don't, I am not from New York to say the least. Anyway. Is it Hebrew, right?

Conica. All right, go ahead, go ahead. Anyway, she pioneered. People will post shockingly bad videos of themselves on TikTok, being insane. And also just social media has been great. I think people have learned a lot about the true nature of, like, crime in America, just from social media. They've learned a lot about what life is really like in a lot of parts of American society they're not part of.

And what we've had with the freak out over SNAP funding, over EBT, possibly being, well, I guess actually being suspended now with the government shutdown ongoing is people have gotten a direct encounter with how some Americans who are on government programs basically relate to these government programs, both. you know snap supplementary nutritional assistance program the idea you know food stamps the idea you know you're using these to get what you need to survive and what people are learning is there's a lot of people who are on snap who don't work and don't really want to work and feel entitled to not work there are people who have figured out the not exceptionally difficult task of converting food stamps into literally anything else you want to buy stamps and all of that and we have amazing clips of them doing this and they're on TikTok and then they're uploaded to X so that those of us who aren't on TikTok to watch them. To your point though, by the way, this isn't just something we're talking

about because this is something that Charlie talked about. Let's play clip 323. The number one objective of any social welfare program should be how do we keep the family together and put dads back in the family. Unfortunately in the black community, dads are the most absent of any community. About two-thirds of all black youth will be raised without a stable father around. And I know it's crazy right um and that that little precious angel of yours deserves to have a father around and unfortunately when as we've removed dads from families government has come in and has taken the place so some people need help and they need social assistance all of that should be about incentivizing the dad staying around not the dad leaving okay that was charlie now we have the

Contrast will be very true. Contrast will be jarring. So that's Charlie telling us what we should want in like a country that has, of course, our Christian values, and we don't want people to be left behind, et cetera. We all agree with that. So let's go see the people now that have been using SNAP benefits and EBT brought to us courtesy of EBTs of TikTok. Blake. Let's do. Man, there's so many of these, and I actually haven't watched most of them yet.

How about we just go with... Let's just go in order. Three, two, seven. Let's do three, two, seven, yeah. So, you just can't get your hair done this month. You can't get your nails done this month. And the lashes that you have, like, windshield wipers, yeah, you got to try to glue them shit on yourself

so you can feed them a little raggedy kids of y'all. That's right. That's right. But that's just being responsible. That's been responsible. But when you do that, bring your ID, because then I'm going to be seeing the real you. And I've never seen the real you.

So I can know who you bribes are. So I believe you had some ID because I'm a car. Because I'm a car. I don't know, y'all. I don't know none of y'all. I don't know none of y'all. I was like, Miss V, it's me. Like, who the fuck of you?

Talicia. Oh, that's the real you. Ha! So I can't tell. Is she on EBT or she's just making fun of people who are? She's making fun of people. She's making fun of them, I think. Can we book her on the show?

That was pretty darned right now. Do we have some, I want the people for us. Yeah, 328. Yeah, 328. And I just really want to know why these restaurants and why these supermarkets aren't giving out free food during this government shut down. Like they have food to spare. Very obviously they have food to spare. They have food that they could give away to people that's affected by this government shutdown.

Then when they're stealing shit, then it's going to be an issue. I really don't get why these companies. aren't doing more to help during this government shutdown is really, it's really doing something to me. It's really, really doing something to me. I want to skip this. Do three, two, one. And people are going to start, I'm telling you, this is going to be a thing. People are going to start, instead of stealing groceries from the stores, they're going to start watching people go to their cars. And they're going to take all of their groceries and you know what the store going to do not our problem oh my gosh so instead of

stealing straight from the grocery stores people are going to start to the parking lots the parking lot which by the way blake that gets us back to the shopping cart theory oh no yes i had some brutal shopping cart moments uh you have moments of shopping carts no like i was that everyone you guys remember the shopping cart theory the the cultural the citizen put back the cart the citizen puts back the cart have you seen the guy that goes around and he slaps magnets on their doors when they don't put their car yeah he's like he's like shaming them yeah he's just some bad I've seen some brutal cart abandonment in in some grocery stores lately like in the phoenix area here yeah in the phoenix area and just so this

guy does videos and he goes around and he and he and he's the cart police or he calls him something and so he waits he waits and they when they don't put their car away he it's like a big magnet and he slaps down on their car when they're driving away. This is like the, like you should put your car away and people get angry. Like they get out. Those guys. It's like those guys who are cyclists. It just sticks to their car. They just says like you you are a like it's like a basically a bad

citizen for not putting your car away. Amazing. And they get out of the car. They start scree like every time like everyone they worked that hard at being a human being. No, they spend more energy yelling at this guy than to putting the carways just and he just runs away from it. It's not even like citizenship versus non-citizen. It's like if you do not put the card away, you are no better than a mere beast Wait, there's one

Separates us from the animals Wait guys, there's another There's another clip here It says, so 321 It's like double printed on the clip sheet But there's one that says Someone's complaining about having to use their own money That's 3-3-1

Okay, let's hit it hit that one Yeah, them people really didn't give us our sims It's like day two You know what I'm saying I get my shit on the first You know what I'm I'm first that I'm a month around this but it's the second and I just went to go peek and I'm like you know maybe they

would have gave a little sprinkle sprinkle my bad this I ain't got no yams I just spent cash money on five items out the store mind you it was only $20 but I still got bills to pay I still got I'm not trying to spend it on I'm supposed to be getting food stamps for it quit playing with me apparently only about one third of food stamp houses have children and part of that is that there's more elderly people on food stamps yeah so there's part of that but i think there is also just we kind of have a robust pool of americans who don't really want to work i guess or or try to work well this is this is the whole thing with and you see this with the obamacare subsidies in health care too once you put subsidies in in an economy into a marketplace removing those is

almost impossible it's like an atrocity people they adjust their spending habits to this new reality right so if they're and they're entitled and their sense of entitlement yeah but they've they've gotten a more expensive place to rent or they've they've got more subscriptions per month or they're new TVs or whatever the thing is that they're monthly budget now so so so you can't pull it back without them feeling like the government and the republicans and trump are hurting me this is essentially what it is and it's rough because you can basically eventually you know eventually you actually go broke and the whole thing yeah it's somebody there's so many different versions and we should be clear those versions of this we can talk about snap here but there's also a ton of people it's like a way of

life to get on social security disability that you don't need to be elderly for you get yourself basically classed as disabled you live on whatever they pay out to you which it doesn't have to be that much, but if you, you know, live with a family member and you're okay, not doing much with your life, you can make 15K go pretty far. And so there's people who live on that. There's, especially in like states like California and New York, there's all these additional state programs you can milk along. Oh, yeah. And by the way, I'll never forget. So, so I actually are in California had had our daughter. So, and a guy that, uh, a guy that, uh, a, uh, Apparently, I didn't realize this.

So he was one of the workers that was working next door on a construction. So on a house, a renovation next door. And I would see him kind of because this renovation went on for like six months. So I would see him next door. I'd say, hey, you know, here and there. Anyway, so we're at the hospital. And we have our kid. And down the hall is this Mexican dude who doesn't really speak much English,

also at the hospital having his own kid. and so my wife knowing that these guys are probably a little bit poor she said you should go offer to buy them like some meals or something like that we should be good neighbors right so I go out and I start talking to this guy

because my wife thinks I speak really good Spanish and I lived in Spain in college to study abroad so I start talking to him and I say hey are you hit the Andrew song hit the Andrew song are you guys doing okay can we help you my wife wants to help since we saw you at the hospital

and the guy goes oh no no no like my wife's an American citizen but since I'm like an immigrant that the state of California has paid for all of our hospital bills and they've given us a monthly stipend and so like we're doing great my wife took care of all of it and I was like so wait there's this immigrant here that's here illegally apparently but he's married to an American so it's like it's pretty you know this was their first kid right it had all happened yes yes and that's my the Andrew thing I love that that's the Andrew thing so so this guy he's getting all these government subsidies and benefits for simply having a kid and being an illegal and you know and here we are trying to do a good Christian thing trying to help him out and that my tax dollars were already going to this this gentleman and his newborn American citizen kid it was pretty shocking actually because I just thought you know that's kind of frustrating pretty frustrating that our labor and our toil is going to this guy he's a nice guy whatever

it's just but the whole system's pretty frustrating like that blake it's just i you articulate it well we we you know they sometimes they'll just do like the the two americas thing and there is there's a lot of people in america who kind of like it's become a lifestyle to find different ways of being on the dole and it's like people don't even occur like obvious things so you can like people will take there's a pretty well developed economy for swapping SNAP swapping EBT benefits

for monetary equivalent things that you know some small rate of depreciation on it and or like underground economies for selling shoplifted goods there's places where it's just routine like oh I can get this good cheaper because someone is going to shoplift it for me people will make

requests they'll make requests for something to be shoplifted for them and then they'll buy it more cheaply and there's this whole whole, you know, in kind of the underclass of American life where this happens. And having a nicer country, you can't just write off the underclass because everything's on a spectrum. How nice your city is to live in is heavily dependent on how quality or low quality, like your bottom 5% of people are.

Are they just, you know, do they have lower-end jobs or do they have no jobs at all? Are they basically, like, are the criminal people locked up or are they kind of allowed to roam freely in detention? people. All of these things make a difference in how quality of your life is. And, you know, the SNAP, EBT stuff does matter. It matters a lot whether people on the lower end are purely kind of just living off government money or if they are working some kind of job. Well, and in the vein of that, let's play clip 329. It's so crazy that the president have a felony. Your baby daddy had a felony, but he can't have no job.

and that's how the people got to be on food stamps because baby daddy can't get no job because you've got felonies and you know that requires you to go get on food stamps right hmm wait felons can get food stamps I'm sure

well she's getting the food stamps it sounds like she was getting them she's saying that her baby daddy can't get a job or some hypothetical baby dad I'm not sure if it was her specifically but lots of well and we saw this after night after covid because covid it's just all subsidies galore and by the way and that was another that was another feeding frenzy thing where it was oh we'll help your small business and it pretty quickly the word got around of no one's seriously checking this

make your super basic business that's you know a limo service or something you know some sort of job that's like easy to have one employee in and you can get $10,000 and it'll be written off later. Some of these guys. And we see this in other things. Immigration is so full of that. You know, the word got out, circa 2020 again with TikTok and everything,

do these things and you can get past the Border Patrol in the U.S. You know, say you're under 18, even if you're over. We have tons of accounts of 30-year-olds ending up in high schools. You know, you can say one of these five stories will make you have a credible asylum claim. And then you'll get a court hearing. It'll be a while from now and no one will follow up if you don't show up to it. The word gets out on how to exploit the system. And in far too many things, we have a system that was basically the honor system.

And, you know, it might have worked when honor was, had a lot of currency in America. And now it doesn't. Yeah, this is also, by the way, it gets us back to the Mondami. Right? It gets us. Because if we're going to import gimmigrants to this country as the song, then and who don't have that same sense of honor in their home. cultures who don't even have this the concept of earning in their culture because they only have a concept of obtaining and receiving and having well and or or you know a grievance based

or taking right of that the white europeans have have been such a vile scourge upon the world for so many centuries now that we have to take back what was then all of these systems completely fall apart however however there may be a little bit of a silver line here perhaps some hope because this is going to flip the entire conversation around play clip 122 this program is keeping a lot of people unmarried uneducated don't want to you know do anything that will hinder the opportunity there's with a chance to lose their benefits only in america do we have people that have $1,200 iPhones checking to see if their snap benefits hit anyone who's on welfare not for a disability, but because they can't provide for themselves, should not have the ability

to vote in our society. I don't have kids, but there's no way that I have kids, and I'm waiting on somebody else to feel. So there you go. Perhaps, perhaps there's a silver lining that some people are actually pointing out that, no, these programs are big problems. And how many times did Charlie point out that when, that the Great Society program, which goes back to his much maligned criticism of LBJ's 1960s programs,

has completely destroyed certain communities in this country by bringing in big government, which goes back to the original turning point slogan of BigGov sucks, that, you know, big government becomes dad, and therefore you don't need dad. It destroys the families because it destroys your, it kind of destroys your ability or your incentive to behave responsibly. So if the government's going to come in and backstop you on,

everything, and it creates moral hazard, right? Why would you behave responsibly if you know the government's just going to give you everything? Yeah. And they're all on iPhones. And I'm just going to say, and by the way, can I just say this? Those, oh, man, okay, I'm just going to say it. I'm just going to say it. None of them look particularly hungry to me.

They don't, they don't look particularly needy. That's, you know what I'm saying. If you want a glowing brain thing, no one in America is actually, like, no one starves to death in America, which is nice. Starvation was a thing that happened. I'm glad we don't live in a country like that. America's main problem for healthy people is extreme obesity. Many of those countries, by the way, embrace the same policies of like, I don't know, Zora Mondani or Joseph Stalin. Yeah, and, you know, we don't have starvation.

So, like, they always have to define it down. So now they call it hunger. And if you dig into what they label as, you know, hunger, they'll talk about food insecurity. And it'll be things like a lot of people, they don't know where their next meal will come from. I don't know where my next meal is going to come from. fridge is empty right now. Well, that's a particular Blake. Yeah, that's, that's me being a weirdo. But, hey, Blake, tell, I want to this is, this, I think this is a good place to wrap up, because if you insert this stuff into the culture, it's so difficult to extract it. And one of the things that I love when you talk about is the, you probably got some of this during the Great Depression and the, the new deal, right, Democrats. But then in the 60s, again, you had this new wave of government subsidies and handouts and welfare programs. explain the difference between before and after the American psychology of what it meant to take

welfare and the honor and the dishonor that that was and then after how long did that take to the saddest things one of the saddest things in hindsight to read is when they're rolling out the great society which is LBJ's big welfare state thing they would run into the problem that a lot of Americans would out of pride refuse to sign up for government programs they It was considered shameful to go on the dole. And when you think of how immensely successful America was for so long, you've got to think a society where it is shameful to go on the dole is probably going to be more successful than one where there is no shame.

When there's no shame about being dependent on other people's to be dependent on the collective, then people are more likely to do it. And when you do that, it's a habit. that you sink into. And one of the most important parts of maturity and that a lot of people realize when they grow up is you become what you are based on what your habits are, what you do every single day.

And if it is a habit, if it is a habit to take advantage of every way of getting free money, then it can become a habit to exploit this or to get as much of it as possible and to avoid other like more socially beneficial. ways of making money like in the long run you just have a worse society a worse country but i'm just got to like it it still comes back though to mass immigration because there are parts of the world where what we would consider scamming what we would consider uh gaming the system uh lying for benefit

are not necessarily considered shameful at all yeah or at least certainly when abstract it out a big thing in uh that is not universal is this sort of sense of general obligations towards all of society or like the state apparatus there are a lot of people who come from societies that are that are insular and clanish and so you couldn't cheat your brother your cousin your tribe your yeah your person who's in your in group but you can do anything to someone who's outside of that group and that's that's the historical norm that's how probably everybody was 10,000 years ago one of my it was a rough process to change one of my buddies who who was deployed to Afghanistan, I remember we were having this conversation, just talking about the cultural

differences, Eastern, Western, and he was saying that in America, it's considered corrupt for you to, like, hire your family and give, you know, from a government position and give them contracts and do, and take care of your family. It's considered corrupt. In Afghanistan, if you don't hire your family and give them public contracts and public, uh, public funds, you'd be considered corrupt. well this this is this is you're totally right about immigration because america you talk about her historic levels of excellence and success as a society and we basically either it was hubris

or it was ideological rot that was creeping in and you talk about this with the what do you call it the blue banana and maybe you can explain this but essentially most of the world's progress and innovation has come from a very a very tiny slice very tiny slice of civilization Yeah, I think the blue banana is specifically like an area of high urbanization, but you don't need to zoom it out a lot. Yeah, it's basically London down to. Yeah, it's like London to London to Florence, basically. London to Florence. You can track most of the good things in the world from this region.

A lot of them. Yeah, just a huge amount of invention. Instead of going with respect, we're not going to screw these places up because they're too precious to humanity. We go, let's just import a bunch of people that have no idea what the heck that culture is or where it came from. Some of this is self-inflicted because one of the traits of sort of that is like a universalizing outlook on life. Sure. A persistent, a persistent arrogance of a lot of, uh, you know, of like, you know, historically like English, German, like European peoples is sort of the assumption that everyone is innately like them. There's still a critique we make of liberals.

They like assume everyone in the world is sort of a, uh, you know, Brooklyn liberal waiting to like come out after you like chip away at everything. thing. Yeah. Well, that is kind of the liberal assumption that people are inherently good. People are inherently good. But that is not actually biblical. Biblical is that we were made good and that we fell and that there's evil in the world and then we need to sort of repent from the evil. You know, that is actually the biblical view of human nature is that we were made good, made in God's image, but then there is a fall. Evil's inserted to the world, so you have to deal with evil. This is why we have police. This is why we have locks on our door. This is why the 2A crowd is is ascendant, really.

But here's the point, though. America is kind of like in the 20th century, maybe even the 19th century, is the blue banana writ large. It is. It's sort of like the innovation came from this country. And instead of having respect for the primordial goo that makes up this country,

the foundational elements, the societal core, the culture and the character, we've just said, oh, screw it. We're going to open the doors and throw open the doors to the third world. There's a line, I think from some French left,

but I can't remember for sure that is like behind any great fortune is a great crime and this is basically a very third world outlook to have it's a world it's a world that is zero sum

is a world where there is not like progress in industry and modern stuff and it kind of is a world that often makes sense if you're from a backward society yeah if you're from a society where everyone is kind of roughly

equally leveled and all of your wealth just sort of probably comes from being a renter a renter like an owner like yeah you might have to do something pretty bad to get a great fortune this is like that idiotic book guns germs and steel yeah was it jared diamond jared diamond that is so stupid but in real life it's like okay actually

no if you wanted behind a great fortune if you're if you're in america in 1955 what's behind your fortune probably that you or someone in your family developed and created something of enormous value to millions of people so you enhance the besiemer process for developing steel you figure figured out a way to sell ice cream to millions of people and you could make it in a factory. There's the blue banana, by the way. It's innately that like wealth coming from value creation and the more value you create, the more benefits that accrue to you. And that is the winning combination that worked in America at its peak, that worked in the UK

at its peak, that works in a lot of countries when they're peaking. And it's actually why, you know, China is rising now. China's gotten better at adding value to things. That's why Charlie loved Elon Musk, candidly. Because instead of making wealth selling financial instruments and pieces of paper and finding a way to exploit or predict the market, he's actually making physical objects that add value. He developed an incredibly innovative electric car. I have one. They're amazing.

He's like, I'm going to build rockets and I'm going to make them affordable. And I'm going to put the internet in space. It was almost an accident, a side effect, oh, we need to figure out how to make money off of this, that he puts thousands of satellites in orbit. And now, oh, you can actually just get Wi-Fi anywhere on it. I need you explain this to me. Apparently now there's a yellow and green banana. Oh, they're making new bananas all the time. This feels very leftist.

Yeah, yeah. Where they have to be incorporating. No, no, no, no. Because it's because industrialization and urbanization has spread across Europe now from the original blue banana. All right. Blake, do you have an answer here? Are you still investigating?

Well, I'm looking. Now my screen is I've one of those dump things like that. The original definition of the blue banana was, let's throw it up when you have it, but we should wrap it. Yeah, well, so part of this, by the way, The reason I flag that is the blue banana is actually mostly historically like urbanized zone

that has always been very high density and so now you have these other big cities is what's going on there. But it also, that historical blue banana is also just if you look at you know, you can read the history of European science and industry and philosophy and all the big innovations

and they just come, it's not even, they come from Europe they come from a remarkably narrow slice of Europe. Why isn't not many people? Why isn't Rome in it? I mean, Rome actually hasn't been that great since Rome is where the church is which held back innovation Northern Italy is where like

all the really dynamic scientist types are coming from and yeah like Gallo has anyone here actually he works in Pisa I think Has anyone here actually had a real blue banana though Those things are supposed to be delicious

That's a thing No I think I may have in Guam It's called a blue Java banana Galileo born in Pisa Wait time out this is really important I want to talk about my time in Asia more and all the things that experience. It allegedly tastes like

vanilla ice cream. I really want, they're really expensive. The one that I had in Guam did not taste a vanilla ice cream. I've never heard of this. No, they're called, look it up. I've never heard of a blue banana. All right. Here we go. It's more of like maroon. A blue Java and you keep talking about we have to wrap. We have to wrap now. The blue Java bananas is unbelievable. Here's

the deal. Here's the deal. We had to do this thought crime to cleanse ourselves of many things, including the election. Some of the, some of the controversies. Except for Arizona. Except for Arizona. Well done, turning point action and in New Hampshire.

You want to take us home? No, I think we learned a lot. I think tonight was a good conversation. I think tonight we had some important conversations. EBT is a TikTok, by the way. That's on Twitter. So give them, I have no idea who runs it. Give them a follow.

That looks like a great account. I love these like. And Cartnarks. Archive Cartnarks. Is that what is it called? Yeah. Oh, I love that name. And by the way, throw it up,

three, four, two for Tyler. there we go there she is arizona rhino patrolled dorian taylor is now on the mesa city council yeah that's great there it is it's a big win it's a big win because guess what yeah if if if that if she wouldn't have won do you have any idea we had politico new york times all these people they would they would have they would have stopped all over as new york times it's following our door they would have they would have made on the grave of charlie perkinson they would have they absolutely would have used it as an opportunity to tarnish Charlie. So God was

watching out for us. Guys, if we could play the and as we go out, could we just play the new theme song of thought crime? I need it louder. I need it louder. I need more. Charlie would be very upset right now. Charlie would force us to go out on classical music. You know he would. I think Charlie liked teakamissau. I think.

Everybody likes teakamasa. It's an export. It's an export from the blue banana. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crime. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliecirk.com.