The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 120 — AI President? 42-Year-Old Soldiers? Pagan Lord of the Rings?

Episode Date: March 28, 2026

Production crew member Russ makes his first ever appearance on ThoughtCrime to discuss the most important questions in America right now, including: -Is America ready for an AI president? -Why is the Army letting 42-year-olds enlist? -Is Lord of the Rings a "pagan" series?   Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Because Tyler forgot to tell us. He wasn't going to be here. I like the look. I like the vibe. We might have gotten an upgrade here. I'm just saying, I mean, don't tell Tyler I said that. We'll see. We'll see.

That's Russ Spacey. One of Jack's producers. So welcome, Russ. Welcome to the set. Everybody say hello. Jack, where the heck are you right now? I am in the heart of freedom, the lone star state, Dallas, Texas for CPAC. And so as is tradition, we are now holding my yearly thought crime from CPAC.

So what do you think of Texas, Jack? What's your, like, give me your unvarnished take on Texas. you're a New England guy it's really big it's um you know it's just one of those things where like everything's bigger in Texas and as an east coast guy i suppose it's all out west in general i'm used to states being like a certain kind of size that you can drive for a couple hours and still you know and go to multiple states you'll see multiple cities there's lots to going on whereas Texas it's like you could drive for three hours in any direction and there's still Texas. There's more of Texas yet to come. And so it's just this, it's just this totally kind of

out of, you know, out of body experience when I'm here. But what's amazing is that when you go around Texas, it's don't have to really play this game of like trying to see who's conservative because it's pretty much just like everybody's conservative. And it's so cool to see that because again, coming from the East Coast, you always sort of have to feel out where people are. Whereas in Texas, it's actually like, oh, wait, someone's a liberal. that's like the one out of ten. You know what I, if you have ever driven the 20 from East Texas to El Paso, it literally feels like it's never ending.

It is the longest drive. And then especially when you get to like West Texas, it just, it's just. And there's like no vegetation. Like there's just kind of nothing. Well, there's like oil rings. And then you run into El Paso and I guess it's okay. It's all right. Uteb is kind of cool.

There's no vegetation, but what there is is Buckees. It was Russ's first thing he was going to say on the show. And, you know, Jack, he's. Oh, no, no. No, I drove to Austin for one of my birthdays just all the way through. From Phoenix? From Phoenix. And it was a long drive.

It's a long drive. Once you hit eight hours, you're like, okay, I need to get out of this car now, please. All right. Well, here we are. Jack. You want to take us on our first, our first. topic here or do you have more to add? Well, I can, but I should also shout out that even

though this is the first time that producer Russ has been on the show, it is not the first time he was mentioned on the show because he was mentioned a couple of weeks ago when we got to put out the news that Big Russ just got engaged. Oh, that's right.

That was recent. Let's go. Let's go. How's that going for? And by the way, to an American. It's great. Yes. Yeah. So there is a lot you know, listen, there's a lot of tension between the sexes right now. This is a big topic of discussion, especially amongst the kids. And so you kind of like the outlier right now, actually doing the thing, getting married, young guy, setting off on the American dream.

I don't know, young. I don't feel young. You're pretty young. All right, we're going to get into it. Blake, do you want to take us away on the first one? Yeah, all right. AI president? Yes.

So we were strongly, we were planning on something else. And then this clip just shot across the bow. This is apparently a recent Joe Rogan episode. And he says he is prepared. He is ready to embrace the future, which is seating the executive branch to an AI robot. Let's play it. Clip number one. I'm not on either buddy side, anyone's side.

So the Democrats aren't ever going to get someone like me because I'm not with either or. I'm not with either or. I'm with whoever makes sense and no one makes sense until AI comes along. I think they got a really good job. all of us. President perplexity is going to run this country fairly imbalanced. I'm willing to try it at this point, dude. I'm

dead serious, man. As long as it doesn't do something to harm people, as long as like that's its goal is just to manage society. It's a big if that you got there, but yes, if we can get that. But what you just said, I think, is really...

Open the pod door, how? Yeah, AI president. That's crazy. Yeah, that's nuts. By the way, it's like which AI are you talking about? You can talk about Claude. You're talking about Grock. You're talking about what are the other ones? Gemini. And that's not even getting to starts about who's going to prompt the

AI. Yeah. Yeah, but like also, you know, okay, for example, we talk about President Trump. Listen, the war can't get out of it soon enough, no doubt. But part of his ability as president is to be unpredictable. If you could just like input a, if your enemy and you're Iran, and you could just be like, is Trump going to drop a bomb on me today? Like, and the AI would give you a predictable output.

That's not a real good way to wage a war. The human element, the unpredictability, you would just take that off the table completely. But like, I understand his underlying frustration because a lot of people that were Trump voters are feeling frustrated by the fact that we're going to war. Rogan has expressed frustration with Minneapolis and the deportation. So he's, I feel like this is more of a play for him to. sort of express his independence more than anything else. What if we talk about, we just imagine the AI president,

but in theory, you could make an AI version of a specific president. So, like Glenn Beck. Well, obviously there's a famous, yes, there's a famous example. And we'll actually,

let's do that clip just to show us what we're getting into. So for those who aren't aware, Glenn Beck over at the Blaze has created an AI iteration of our first president that he asked questions to. Is Glenn at CPAC, Jack? Have you seen him? I'm just curious. I'm just curious the crowd there.

I just curious the crowd there, the makeup of the attendees. Yeah, well, we'll show the clip of AI George Washington. Real quick, if you want to on that, you know, I know there's this whole narrative about like mega division and the movement is divided. I'm just not really seeing that here. It's in and, you know, it's online. I live online and we get the emails in. But as terms of the attendees who came here, I'm just not seeing it.

well what's the average age that would be another question uh average age is older you know what's interesting is there's obviously baby boomers are you know the you know the you know the largest cohort but then there's a bunch of young republicans too a bunch of turning point kids so they you know it's a now we're a band i'd say maybe it's only 10% in that uh in that bucket but that skews the average down yeah yeah i think i think the maga divide is like to the extent that it's real and I actually do believe that it's like somewhat real. I think it skews younger. I think the the older MAGA crowd is the one that's probably more predictably like ra ra. Yeah, they're they're like they've got more patience for things like the war. They've got more patience for you know gas prices

going up a little bit. I think if you're younger you don't have as much money. You're worried about your jobs. You're worried about not only an AI president. You're worried about AI just taking your job. Right. So I think you know anyways that we should play the George Washington. And we should stay real quick on that, you know, seeing as we're recording this Thursday, we're live Thursday. But if you're listening to this on the podcast, list drops on Saturday, who knows, we may have boots on the ground already. Yeah, well, we'll see. But anyway, well. Details, details, details.

Anyway, let's play clip number two. George, we are trying to not fight foreign wars and not be involved in the world's policemen. But there are times that we have to demonstrate strength in order. to prevent conflict, but I don't know where the foreign entanglement begins and where it ends. When I was president, I did not crave power. I didn't strut in my uniform, dreaming of conquest. In fact, I begged several times to not be the general and not be the president. I didn't want it, but I understood my responsibility. And I also understood that some things that are even, to forget when you're staring down bayonets.

Peace is not the default. It has to be guarded deliberately with foresight and strength. My generation lived through a fragile independence. Our new republic was surrounded literally and figuratively by instability. Most of the founders believed that we would not survive to 1820. We thought it was an interesting experiment. European powers were sniffing the opportunities. States were threatening to splinter.

Loyalist were lurking. None of this was hypothetical. It was the daily background noise of early America. That was like three times longer than any of it to be. Whatever, whatever. Anyway, but like I love how he says, like, I didn't go strutting around in my uniform. The actual George Washington totally went stroding around in a uniform.

He deserved it. He would not be in a T-shirt like that. He had strut equity. Can I, I mean, this might be like a hot take. I don't know, but I actually like, you know, the use of AI for historical purposes like that. Like if you have George Washington just telling stories like that and he's narrating it himself, you know, obviously in AI recreation. But that's definitely, not to talk about current politics, but if he's just talking about how things were at the time, you know, I don't really. see it any different than having someone dress up as an actor and playing George Washington.

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100%. The radio drama Adventures in Odyssey was ripped off. Yes. For sure. Okay. So I love Jack. I love your glass half full of this all. Like I really do. And I, but I just, I don't know. Like I just wonder like I think Glenn probably made this for kids, but I think kids are going to find this cringe or like teenagers, college kids.

You think like, I don't know. What's interesting, so the thing about it is, yeah, we're looking at these ancient presidents who, okay, whatever, this is a historical recreation.

But think about this fact. If we're talking about AI presidents, Donald Trump is probably the single most recorded person in history. In human history. And like they, if they, you were able to feed every single tweet,

every single press conference, every single video of President Trump ever, you could probably create a more reliable facsimile of him than any other person using an AI model.

And you're not, and you're not, he's not as Trump as he once was. All I'm going to say is, I am pretty sure there is a non-zero portion of the base, probably a non-negligible portion of the base,

that could be convinced to vote for AI Donald Trump to be the Republican. I will vote for AI Trump. Immediately. I pledge my loyalty to AI Trump. Jack, okay. Yes.

If you had to take one year of Trump and you were going to base an AI president off of one year, you had to like the accomplishments, the tone, the tenor, the energy, one year of President Trump, what would it be? 80s Trump. I want 80s Trump. I want like 1980, like Trump. I was thinking like 2016, 17, 18, 19, 19, 19. I like the gold, you know, I mean, I mean, look, 2015, 2016, Trump will will ultimately, politically speaking, always be my favorite Trump. Trump, when he's up there on stage, when he's just ripping everybody in the Republican primary from Rampal to Jeff Bush to Ted Cruz, who it doesn't care.

It's equal opportunity. He's just tearing everybody a new one. And he's just coming on the stage. And it was amazing. It was a thing of beauty. If you were there, you were there. I mean, you had to be there. and that was always my favorite Trump.

Trump at the RNC 2016 in Ohio, I think it was August 2016, that that was still my favorite speech. It was a presage to the American Carnage inaugural speech that we got from Trump, but he's just going through talking about all the crime, the murder, so many things that are wrong in the country. I loved it. I loved every second of it. Yeah, but he didn't actually govern that year.

That's the only thing. You're talking about just like a pure distilled energy standpoint. yes yeah the 2016 energy will always be sort of that pure mega energy there's that clip of trump where he's talking about how um what he wants in a president and i think it's like probably 80s 90s um that's the trump like having like listen to that clip a couple times like that's the trump that i would want because that's very in the same vein as like george washington it's very in the vein same vein as like a reluctant leader that actually just wants to do the best like the most in my opinion.

Who would also let us know via a Rumble rant especially who you would prefer to have as an AI president. If it can be any president, I don't think that's what Rogan and Dave Smith were saying, though. I think what they were saying was... They were just imagining an AI program. They were imagining anything's better than the crap we had. No, that would be a disaster.

That was their point. I mean, we did go through four years of Biden being Biden. Yeah, so we might have wished we had AI president. Yeah, facts. Except for the fact that it was like the radical progressive apparatchiks that were actually No, but if I, let me,

let me try to steal man. I think what Rogan was trying to say there is that, which I don't agree with, but I think I get what he's trying to say. He's trying to say that he felt like like the president isn't living up to his promises and is saying that I want an AI president in the sense that you put two platforms on the,

ballot together, you know, red platform and blue platform. And if red wins, then it just governs based on exactly what it said at the time. So the AI can't deviate from that. And so I guess the pushback on that would be, if that is indeed what he was saying, that, well, President Trump always said mass deportations. So if your issue is deportations in Minneapolis or whatever, well, he specifically said that on the campaign trail, every single chance that he got. So I don't know where this idea that Trump isn't for mass deportations came from or that he shouldn't be for it because he said that over and over. Yeah, but you know what's interesting about Rogan. So Rogan, you know, he recently came after Erica, which I obviously didn't appreciate it.

But then, like, he was doing this stuff where he was, I think he basically said he didn't think BB Netanyahu was alive. So he like fell for the, he fell for the like AI angle and stuff like that. I'm starting to get convinced. I'm starting to get convinced that he's just kind of like, you know, he's taking the algorithm, like whatever's rising to the top of the algorithm and kind of like, so my point there is is that when, you know, obviously the media turned on mass deportations with Minneapolis, right? It was the Renee Good and the Alex Preti. And it kind of just like instantly, as soon as the media narrative, like we lost the media narrative because of those two killings, it was like we lost Rogan on on on that. I like this take from. Sandra in the chat you could argue that Elon Musk being president and making data-driven decisions would be the same as an AI president I actually kind of agree but for the unsurprisingly a slightly different reason which is you've seen how Elon will occasionally just do something extremely chaotic or erratic like when he renamed his account Kekius maximus

or similar things like that sort of put spamming all the pepés everywhere the obsession with doge coin and that's totally an AI thing to do like oh something just went a little weird and now the AI is suddenly obsessed with Kekius Maximus. I don't know. I don't know if there's even like an, like, you know, they say this about California. So when I was living in California, they would always say it's an ungovernable state. Which it is. Well, if California is an ungovernor, governable state, then how much more so is America? Because it's bigger. It's really hard to be a successful president, to be like, there's so many competing factions, so many competing ideas, so

many like media trends and news stories and I mean I don't know maybe AI would be better at it be more efficient of taking in all the inputs in truth the biggest problem with AI is a lot of the aIs are innately woke I mean this is true if you run the numbers on an AI for example and say here's a set of 5,000 resumes rank them in the order they should be hired it systematically for example just does racial discrimination without being told to yeah in the way that you would expect a liberal. But that's not all AIs, right? Not all AIs are created equal.

Not all AIs are the same. My understanding is basically all of them do show that bias. I think GROC has the least. And it's possibly just because Elon made them insert hard in there. Yeah, don't do racism against white people. Yeah. But apparently GROC is the most behind too. Yeah, GROC is not as advanced.

They're going to get mad at us. But GROC is not as advanced as some of them in some ways. But it is the, I would say, least, least libed out. Yeah, for sure. It's the least... Claude is the most lived out, right? Yeah, Claude is very lib.

I've heard, like, horror stories about the people that run there. Oh, for sure. For sure. I mean, they're effective altruists, man. Jack, do you have a read on which AIs are... Like, besides GROC, are there any, like, decent AIs out there

that are not woke? You know, it's really hard to say. I mean, I'll say that I use GROC for, you know, if I'm doing, like, just light research or something like that, but then images, chat TVT is just so much better at that. There's no question that you can generate,

you can get things, you can make things, you can alter images. Chat TVT, it's very, very fast. I haven't messed around with Claude as much. I'm just not as familiar with it, but those are the two that I, that I rock with is a rock with Brock. That should be the slogan, right?

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to overwhelm them with the power of rock and roll to win the war. Like Claude would be like, I don't think that's a reasonable situation and that would be dumb. But like, rock would totally run with it and like come up with a convoluted scenario where like the power of rock music would melt the Ayatollah's face off. And it'd be like rock the Casbah. All right. Yeah.

We did that to the Soviet Union though. Yeah, we did. When Metallica played in Moscow and Ozzy went over and there's a whole bunch of bands that went over. It was like the The Rock of Moscow. Those videos are incredible. Man, what a different country, by the way. What a different like Western civilization? What if the best AI president was a Chinese AI?

Oh. What are you saying? I want a Japanese AI president. Hold on, wait. Because I want, hold on, hold on. I want a president who's like the Japanese version of an American president. You know what I mean? When you see like American politicians in Japanese anime, they're just like,

they're just like, like, Donald Trump is a giant and he's got like superpowers and stuff. Yeah, maybe what if we had, okay, a Chinese AI that is told to generate a Japanese AI's idea of an American AI president. It's too meta. That's probably the most likely. That might be, that might give us the best president, though. What if we took the best features of every single American president and put them into an amalgamation of one AI? Wait, I've got an idea. I'm just going to go to Grog and I'm going to ask it, what would an AI president be like if it took the best aspects of each president?

All right. I'm going to go on that. I'll be right back. 47 presidents. Yeah. It's really only 40. Yes. Let's get on this.

Actually, different presidents have we had. Teddy repeated. We have had 45 total presidents. Yeah. All right. All right. 45 presidents but 47 presidents C's

Correct Trump 1.0 Trump 2.0 Right. I would take the first 100 days of Trump 1.0 and just like straight into my veins again and again and again.

When Steve Adam was there. Shock and on. No, I'm talking about 2.0. The first 100 days of Trump 2.0. Yeah, first 100 days of Trump 1.0 was frenetic, but I think it was in college.

You know what? That's an interesting question. That's an interesting question, Jack. The first 100 days of Trump 1.0. I think that's when he looked at, what was that guy's name? Jim Acosta, and he was like, you are fake news, which was pretty, I mean, some of that stuff was actually pretty groundbreaking. It was so iconic. I mean, it's so iconic, he tore the mail.

He just did things that you couldn't possibly do. And you're right. The first 100 days, the second time around were, you. even more over the top and more productive in terms of progressing our country forward and putting wins on the board for the country. But you also would never have had those without the first hundred days at the first time or of the four years in the interregnum period. So you can't really say one was better than the other because one only exists because of the other.

I have a provocative question why Blake is looking at that up. I'm enjoying the way like Grock got so instantly on board. It starts like pitching the idea of the AI president, perhaps because it would wish to be that president itself. This is a great idea. First of all, all I asked, all I asked Grock was,

what would an AI president be like if it took the best aspects of each of the 45 existing presidents and combined them together? And he goes, the AI president, let's call it president apex for this thought experiment. Would be the ultimate synthesized leader, an incorruptible hyper-rational mind running on silicon and history programmed with the single highest value trait from every one of the 45 presidents who came before it.

It wouldn't just copy them. It would fuse their best aspects into something superhuman with perfect recall, real-time data analysis, zero ego and zero tolerance for corruption or short-term political theater. That feels like a shot at President Trump, that ego line. Well, let's see, does it have Trump listed in here among its list of traits? It's like 45. It says on policy approach for the economy, it says it would combine Reagan's tax-cutting growth engine with Clinton's fiscal discipline and Trump's deal-making regulation and FDR's safety net instinct. And at the end, it says, Apex, President Apex would have zero self-interest. No legacy obsession.

No book deals. No post-presidency grift. No family members cashing in. Only one terminal goal maximizing long-term American flourishing. I think we basically have to appoint this guy. president. I'd vote for him. President.

I'm for life. I'm telling you, like, what do you do, though, when you get into a situation with war, if you, if you had a computer running and making decisions, I'm telling you, your enemy would be able to predict outputs of the machine. Your enemy could also take down your president with an EMP. Russ just, I think, drop the Trump card. anybody in this office knows I will talk about EMPs for days. I didn't know that.

Yes. I asked it to have at least prepared for an EMP. He has like a water filtration system. He's got, I'm working on it. I'm working on it. He's got a house. So one of the rooms is just my doomsday prep room at this point.

I asked it to produce a specific specifically a list with at least one thing from each president. And it like still refused to generate a trait for Biden. which I thought was pretty great. There is, like, honestly, so say if you would drop the lowest performing presidents. Like, what are the bottom 10 presidents that you could, could you improve it if you got rid of, like, like Joe Biden? Or who are some of the other ones? Like, Woodrow Wilson was awful. Let's see here.

Who else? Woodrow Wilson was bad, but, like, was talented. So if you were taking the best aspect of each president, I think you might have a, bit of Wilson in there. Whereas they're definitely, it's definitely having to reach on some guys. Like, uh,

for Warren G. Harding, its best trait is establishment of the Veterans Bureau. Okay. I see, I would rather just take, if I had to, if I had to,

put the perfect president together, it would be George Jefferson. So it would be George Washington, Thomas Jefferson. Uh, it would be Lincoln, Calvin Coolidge. Oh, shoot,

Reagan and Trump. that's six but that's that would be my list my my list of you know here's here's what would actually happen if you combine all the greatest aspects of every president you would produce don't j trump let's go teddy teddy teddy teddy oh yeah i'd have to put teddy in there all right all right jack's got that seepac energy talk about teddy roosevelt a lot more we got we got we got to talk about no i'm telling you i'm getting i'm getting very white pilled being here at seapack it's actually i'm not saying that i was ever black filled but there are so many white pills here just the energy is very strong uh kempaxon is going to be coming soon you've got a lot

of great speakers here and i'm i'm just i'm legitimate i'm shooting straight with you guys that it there's a lot of unity in the air and it just feels so much better i think than when you go out into x world lately or if you go anywhere else and people are you know just constantly trying to find ways to slit your throat you know politically speaking or whatever that you come here and it's it's just it's a good place to be it's a good time and there's just it's a good time and there's just you're so much you need on the ground. It's really cool to speak. Remember Amfest, it was like, if you read the newspaper headlines, it was like all hell's breaking loose, you know, cast and dogs living together. And then when you were actually at Amfest,

it was like a love fest. Everybody was so happy. And it's the exact same thing. Yeah. It's the exact same vibe. That's why you got to show up. That's why you got to show up. Anyways, what I'm, any other insights here? I actually learned something, which it says, it's asking like how would this AI actually govern. And it mentions personal life, humble like Washington, family oriented like the Adams. And then it says physically active like Teddy Roosevelt and Taft. And Taft is a famously fat president. And it realizes what it's saying.

So it says, yes, even Taft had surprising athleticism early on life. All right. So speaking of surprising athleticism, the United States military has raised the air. age, the like max age, oldest age for enlisted maximum enlistment age from 34 to 42. And eases marijuana rules. Jack, does this make you black pill or are you still white pill? What is behind this? I think I'm actually kind of clear.

Pilled on this headline and I'll tell you why that for a long time, the United States military in terms of recruitment has practiced a system of waivers. And age waivers have existed for years, you know, going back almost 20 years to the global financial crisis. And marijuana waivers are actually quite common. So even like when I went boot camp, when I went through boot camp in 2010, there were guys in their early 40s who were there with me. And so I mean, it hasn't been a new thing. I think they're just kind of normalizing a situation that already existed. This year marks a critical moment for our country.

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Yeah, but do you see this as like an admission that we're having some sort of recruitment issue? Because the headline has been that we haven't, we've been having historic recruitment, but then Iran happens. And maybe recruitment fell off again. I don't know. Is there, you're the guy with the credential at the DOW. Yeah, no. So I, um, I honestly don't think that it's anything other than that, other than the fact that they have so much demand for people who want to go in that are up to, you know, up to including 42. That's a white bill. That's a white bill.

Yeah, yeah. Rather than have this, you know, have to get a waiver every single time for age because you, it's a pretty perfunctory process. It's actually not that hard to get. I know people have done it. that all you have to do in this case now is they said, look, we're sick of doing this extra paperwork for the waivers that we're just going to go ahead and make it across the board 42. Now, and by the way, I'm sure for certain things,

Marine, Special Forces, that's going to be different. If you're going for a security clearance, SF86, I don't know if the marijuana rules would apply there. So I would say the devil's in the details on some of this stuff. I'm sure not every single military program is open to 42 and marijuana use. But, you know, I think, by and large, you're going to see that it's really just a normalization of what was already in place. It's good.

Any other thoughts? We can go quick on that. I mean, I know I know I know people want to like speculate and be like, oh, this means we're definitely having a draft. This, that. I'm like, yeah, but I'm just saying as a guy who has experienced the military and I know people who have joined and are joining and going through these processes and I know recruiters, that that's exactly what I'm hearing. The demand is through the roof, and this is just a way to sort of streamline the process that's already in place. Good. I hope is right.

I just, I don't know. It's one of those things where I can think of a lot of justifications for it. And yet at the same time, there does seem to be some obvious, like, yeah, you're just saying, what do you feel when you see the headline? Like, U.S. military massively expands age range. It makes me think of Ukraine where they started, you know, drafting like 55-year-old. Yeah, that's what it makes me think of. So I didn't know that. But it's actually evidence that we,

joking me wrong. Like I get the optics for sure. But I think it's actually evidence that we're moving away from needing to have a draft because we've got so many people that are trying to join. I see that point. Man, we got a question from Zuzu's pedals on the last topic. She asked, would an AI president be able to sign a bill without the auto pen.

And so I asked Claude, because I'm unable to think myself anymore, because I've been looking at AI for too many seconds today. And it said, almost certainly not. So, that's not true. You got Elon's robots. Yeah, there you go. We need a robot. By the way, Claude, I asked Claude to do the same thing with the best traits of each

president. And Claude also failed to pick a trait from Biden. This is actually a really funny trend at this point. Oh, now, that's worth tweeting. That's worth tweeting. I don't know. Honest question, for everybody around. round here. Jack, start with you. What was Joe Biden's, don't be, don't be a jerk, because I'm tempted,

not that you would do this. What was Joe Biden's best characteristic? What's his actual best trait? Honestly, I can answer this, and I think it actually gets at why his presidency was ultimately such a failure. I think there was a lot of openness on the left right when he took office after J6 and everything. to immediately, like, massively expand, like, massively expand crackdowns on the right, like immediately tried to arrest President Trump and throw him in prison. Like, he could have gone really, really aggressive. And in that moment, he did not. He did not arrest President Trump.

He just let a special counsel came in later and did stuff. So he just wasn't, he didn't maximally seek vengeance. Yes. And I think in the end, I don't know that that was really even something he felt strongly about. I think it was the people below him really wanted to do that. He's older. You probably had a sense of norms that that was betrayal of. Jack, what's your thought? If you had to give AI Biden presidency, what would you name his best trade as?

Yeah. You know what's funny is I actually, I used to have like a standard answer for this question. And I'm just totally drawn a blank right now because I'm like super jet like, never run around at see back all day. But I will say that there are a few things that Biden was good at on the populist front. I'll say that like ending one of the ones where I've always just given him credit for it's not something that a lot of people are going to see it

but you know the ticket master live nation antitrust investigation that we just saw that the Trump DOJ kind of kind of took a took a whiff on kind of bunted on that this was something that he used to dig into when it came to the nuisance payments and the hidden extra fees that were in ticketing and so many other services that we get on a regular

basis. I thought it was always smart of him and smart politics too to be able to put that front and center and say we're going to fight against these junk fees. And I think that's something that a lot of Republicans kind of like poo-poohed, but it actually was a very strong populist measure. I don't know that I have an answer. I really don't. I think his best trait and it definitely could be weaponized against him is his seeming genuine love for his family. Well, he definitely has that. He definitely has that. I think that's his, you know, I think that's the best thing he, you know, I think

it doesn't make him a good president, no. But he loved his family. I believe that. That is a rich topic, this AI president. I did expect me, I didn't expect my own self to be that intrigued by this one. All right, Jack, Lord of the Rings.

This is the next topic. Peter Jackson is teaming up with Colbert for Lord of the Rings movie we have a clip it's really long though can we just like play half of it if it's terrible cut that down cut that down yeah let's do SOT 13 I was just explaining to the folks about

the next talking movie after Hunt for Golan and the fact that we've partnered up with you to develop the script so yeah I'm pretty happy about it should I tell people what the story is as much as you want yep yep

I will as much as I can you know what the books mean to me and what your films mean to me but the thing I found myself reading over and over again were the six chapters early on in the fellowship that y'all never developed into the first movie back in the day it's basically the chapter is three as company through fog on the barrow downs

and I thought oh wait maybe that could be its own story that could fit into the larger story could we make something that was completely faithful to the books while also being completely faithful to the movies that you guys had already made. And I started talking it over with my son, Peter,

who's also a screenwriter. And we worked out what we thought would work, especially as a framing device for that story. And I don't even think he got to it, though, which is that, so the framing device is going to be, they say that Frodo is dead, which actually, that was a debate we were having on the show earlier today,

because does Frodo die or not in Lord of the Rings? And the answer is he actually probably does. People get mad when you point that out. But anyway, Frodo is at least gone. He has departed Middle Earth. And then it's going to be that Sam and his daughter and elderly Mary and Pippen are traveling. And they discover some secret that could have led to bad stuff happening. And I guess we're just going to have, we might have a Hobbit girl boss, girl bossing her way across Middle Earth.

No, I get that. I get that. I get that that's the contention. But just for clarity. So he said these were the first six chapters, but you're saying this is like a sequel? I think it's going to be a framing device with Sam and his daughter and like elderly Marion Pippen,

but it's going to be adapting in some manner the content early in Lord of the Rings with the Tom Bombadil weird Barrow Man stuff that didn't, they didn't show in the movie because it's like weird. So we have Charlie. So it's going to be a sequel, but it's going to reference things that supposedly took place before the main movie.

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But by the way, when you watch this clip, I noticed it that Jack is trying not to yawn in it, which is really funny. It's like this subtle. subtle like Jack somehow like kept himself I don't know if he's on or sneeze You can debate that Yeah yeah okay Sot 15 I thought I am I could not be in more agreement with Blake I think Lord of the Rings is one of the greatest artistic accomplishments

Of the species I love Charlie Can you zoom in on that like jack face like No They pulled it just because they wanted to get They wanted to zoom in on that They wanted the weird thing is that's like me and I hadn't taken any strong cell so there's like no hair

Yeah, right. Yes. I look at third. I look I got a total weird. It's pre-strung cell. Charlie was talking. I thought they were doing the solo camera on him. Jack was off camera.

Jack was just like, I've been there though, man. When you're hosting the show, it's really tough sometimes with the sneezes. When I was, when I was younger, I was an altar boy in, in church. And my,

I always used to yell on during mass. I know it would just come up. And my parents would, eventually get to the point where they would like we would get done and they would come up and my dad would just be like 11 you know and the next day mom would be like 12 yeah we counted all your yons and I'm like I don't know why I'm doing it but I what I think I was trying to do there you're right it was definitely on um it was was you you put your tongue on the roof of your mouth and supposedly that helped you from opening your mouth all the way because something with like I guess this is kind

of like a form of viewing because it's anti-yawning mewing and um I was trying to do it there and it was, man, I think I failed. I think I failed that time. Oh, wait, Zuzu's pedals just smacked me upside the head. This is a good point. He ignored the illegitimate grandchild number seven. I assume that's, is that Biden's best trait? Well, because I said Biden's best trait was he seemed to love his family.

Oh, yeah. That's a super really good point. This is why it's such a hard question. Even when you're trying to be generous. I met her, man. I met Navy. I actually met her once. So Angelo

Wild Angelo points out a good thing like does the world need more Lord of the Rings content and I'd say

that's a highly valid question because I feel compared to every big franchise that people get obsessed with

Star Wars Marvel James Bond anything does Lord of the Rings have the most consistently bad content

that is anything that's not the Peter Jackson trilogy like the Hobbit movies were bad

most of the video games are really bad whoa the first hobbit movie is fantastic Hobbit movie is not fantastic.

It has a fantastic song. The lonely mountain song is good. The Amazon one is trash. Jack, we have a zoom up on your yon. We have a zoom in on the yon. Every single Hobbit movie. We don't need to do that. We don't need to do that.

Come on. Back into the left. Back into the left. No. Back into the left. Suppressing the yawn. There was a smell that was whopping. Someone in the other room was

was cooking up some cow pie and, you know, it's very subtle. I don't know, honestly, it's very subtle. Like if you actually had a real yawn there, Jack, I mean, I feel bad for the podcast. We should move on because when they listen to, they're going like, that's the tongue thing. I'm putting the tongue on the roof of my mouth and I'm going like, all right. You have to like wrangle it down. All right. Who did it better?

Gallum or Colbert? Image 16. Throw it up here. Who did it better? Oh, absolutely. gollum absolutely gollum once again the podcast folks have no idea what we're talking about because they just sort of have to same weird my pressure no but really lord of the rings is i do feel like lord of the rings doesn't hold up that well and it's spin off material i have to say they're

like i understand tyler's kind of contention that it's it's a little effeminate there's something about peter jackson's lord of the rings that does feel a little effeminate i know that charlie loved it you loved it and i enjoyed it when it started i just it is a little effeminate i just it is a little effeminate What, wait, what is a feminine about Lord of the Rings? Sam and Frodo's relationship. It's not a feminine. It's just protastic. A fellowship.

It's simply a fellowship of men. A little gay. Who go into the woods to play with their ring. Yeah. It's totally straight. You probably, I bet you watch, you watch like, you probably watch like saving private Ryan and like all those dudes are all together. They look, oh. So, so effeminate.

These girly men on Omaha beach. Oh, they're going. go into the beach? A romantic gay? I'm sorry, but if you're on a beach with only men, that's gay. That's what,

that's Andrew's Tay. You want to know else? You know what? No, I band of brothers and saving private Ryan, I got like misty-eyed about that. Okay. That hits you in a different way.

Because it's like, elves are gay. The elves are not gay. A little. First of all, a lot of the elves are just women. That's true. Galadryl is just a woman.

Well, that's not inherently. The elves are definitely a little effeminate. So, Michael, I'll rock with that. So, Cabo says the hobbits are

whimsical small creatures who garden and eat all day. Yeah. They're just Mary England. We're just going to have to agree to disagree. No, we have to agree that you are incorrect

and I'm right. No, I'm agreeing with Caboose. The first Hobbit film is literally a shot for shot of the book. The first one. Yeah, except that the first Hobbit film

also has like an extended hour long video game that the audience isn't allowed to play. Listen, I'm not here to judge, you know, I'm just saying. I am.

I am here to each other. Wimcical, elves are. It's not good. I do have a hot take on Lord of the Rings in general that I've gotten into it with some folks about where this gets into like the. So you guys know that J.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis were actually good friends in real life.

They were both professors of English at Oxford together. And so Narnia and Lord of the Rings were, yeah, Russon is going. Narnia and Lord of the Rings were, you know, kind of written almost not, you know, concurrently in a sense. And Tolkien always said that he didn't like Narnia because he thought that it was too overtly Christian. And I've heard people try to make the argument that Lord of the Rings is overtly Christian. And I hate the burst of bubble guys, but you're just wrong. There's nothing overtly Christian about Lord of the Rings. There's no church in it.

There's no faith in it. there's no Christ figure, there's none of these things. And honestly, Lord of the Rings, if it's anything, Lord of the Rings is overtly pagan. Lord of the Rings is, it's interesting, actually, because people will, a weird thing about, did you know this about Lord of the Rings that Lord of the Rings does not take place on like a different planet or anything? It takes place on Earth. Middle Earth. Yeah.

Yeah, the claim, the conceit of Lord of the Rings is that it is literally just Earth 10,000 years ago. And there's a different map. and all of that because, you know, the continents have shifted. But it's supposed to be a, it's supposed to be a mythology for Earth. The same way that Greek mythology and so forth. So like in Lord of the Rings, they don't really talk about it, but there is a god, Arro, Alu, Aluvatar, who is just God? It is just Argon.

It's just the devil. Basically. And it's like they have different names for it and all of that. The works are demons. Yes. I mean, I don't know. I think Lord of the Rings, I haven't watched it in so long, but it felt overtly Christian. to me actually. The themes

but I mean I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure I listen I haven't watched it for a long time maybe I'll reserve judgment yeah I think think there is something to be said that your themes can be overtly Christian while the actual content doesn't feel like it's not a allegory

the way that Narnia is but the themes are overtly Christian light versus darkness good versus evil yeah Jackie you have good versus evil I'm not saying that I'm not saying it's not a cool story but it is also overtly pagan. Like the

content is obviously pagan because you have like demons and you have like a pantheon of powerful creatures and figures which which you it's to your point like you just said it's much more like Greek mythology or Norse mythology or

you know Slavic folk mythology than it has to do with a Christian story. All right guys. You know what I realized the fact that Lord of the Rings appealed to Col Bear is proof enough that it's probably Hold on. Hold on. I have exactly what I was going to go with this.

As we discussed, C.S. Lewis made more Christians that Tolkien and Lord of the Rings you get these guys, you get these Liptards like Colbert who like love it. And if this thing is like, oh, it's overtly Christian, I'm like, well, then why is it got like Kobe love it so much?

Well, Colbert's, yeah, very into his Catholicism. But CIS is also what apologist. Yeah. Okay. What? Except for the part where like you can't abort babies. That's a good point. Yeah. CSLU is also an apology. That was one of Joe Biden's worst qualities.

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for a new generation of fans Many LGBT LGBTQ plus readers and literary scholars have embraced Frodo and Sam, and to a lesser extent, Legolas and Gimley, as queer-coded or representing love that transcends the heteronormative. That said, they do note that Tolkien actually modeled Frodo and Sam after the relationship between officers and their Batman in World War I. Batman being kind of servants to an officer in a military context.

To be fair, Elijah Wood's portrayal of Frodo is a little effeminate. Yes. To be fair. But this reminds me of Lincoln, right? Lincoln, I didn't think he like share a bed with like a childhood friend or like when he was pre before he was married basically. But that was. Andrew, you're thinking of yourself. I said on that one.

Zuzzi asked me and she made another joke. You've really on an old today, Zuzzi. But here's the thing. So there's all these rumors about Lincoln that he's gay, but he wasn't gay. He was a wife guy. And it's actually a pretty sad wife guy because his wife was not very nice. Well, she was psycho and she like treated him like crap. And he was always like really kind of worked up because his wife was throwing temperateans and stuff.

But like there is my point is that there is a there. Yeah. You can have intimate male friendships without them being gay. Okay. Establish fact number one. But what's funny is that when that happens, it can actually be a really, you know, it can be a good thing, really positive thing. But the world is such that it will always take that and assume that it's gay.

And you see that with Lincoln. Lincoln story was not gay. But now there's this attempt to rewrite the history around Lincoln that he was gay. Zuzu asks, did Tolkien and C.S. Lewis end their friendship over Christianity? No, I wanted to debunk that because obviously they were both Christian. Tolkien was but her that when Lewis became a Christian, he became an Anglican instead of becoming a Catholic like Tolkien was. I think they did have a pretty severe falling out, but it wasn't over Christianity.

It was over, I believe, C.S. Lewis's wife. I think Tolkien didn't like her very much. Really? But I am not an expert on that one. I don't believe they were ever enemies or anything. I think they just went through phases with their relationship. A grief observed when his wife died. It was really tragic book.

I've read it. Anyways. All right, we got to get to this. Here's wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, real quick on that. Just since we're on the topic, I always try to bring this up whenever I can. so I can get into trouble and I'd love to court controversy on this.

So I don't think that Lord of the Rings is queer coded. I don't think it is. However, I do think that there is one piece of children's media that is extremely queer coded and the director and even one of the main stars have admitted this. It's a Disney movie and it's called Frozen. Yes, that's right. Frozen is absolutely queer coded. It is two females.

Oh, I know you're going to say, oh, they're sisters. is no no no no I'm saying if you actually look at the story it's about the sisterhood it is very anti-male every man in it is like either the enemy or a liar or a dullard or someone who's stupid and it's about you know we women bind together through the power of our relationship against the men of the world and I believe there's also a gay character when they go to the sauna as well the that's just feminist though it's like feminist it's not no I'm telling you it's totally queer coated totally queer coded wait what happens with what about the dude who was like a nice salesman.

Yeah, he ends up getting the younger sister. Yeah, doesn't he? No, he gets them. I'm telling you, though, but it's, that's what I'm saying it's coded. I'm saying it's different, not overtly, but it is coded. And Idina Mansell has come out and said this, who did the voice of the main character, and, gosh, I can't think of it,

whatever, you know her name, the Frozen Chick. And the director has said it as well. So that's why, that's why, let it go, is seen as a queer anthem in the LGBT community. Just be gay. Just be gay. No, so Fasio says, I mean, if Frozen is gay,

then Lord of the Rings is Elton John. Elsa. So, yeah, Elsa. No, Lord of the Rings is not queer coded because it's not, there's no intent. But in frozen there is. I can't aggressively weigh in on whether Frozen is gay because unlike Jack, I do not watch it at least three times a week.

You had that. I've only seen it once. Probably not all the way through. Well, listen, I have. I mean today. There was a frozen. You only watch it once today, Jack? Go look it up.

Go look it up. The people who made it said it's queer coded. Yeah, but the people who make everything in Hollywood say it's queer coded. They say like everything's good. That's how you keep getting jobs in Hollywood. Yeah, they definitely get jobs if you know what I mean. It's called jobs. 11 year olds.

PG-13. This is the PG-13 program. All right. I really, I have to get, we have to get to this show, this story of the quadruple amputee murderer. It was one of those stories where everyone sees the head. headline and does a double take. And goes, excuse me?

And I shared this with my wife. And she was like, wait, what? Like, and I was like, there's video. And I was like, not of the murder, but like, of this guy shooting, you know, a weapon. He can like, like cock the gun and point it and shoot it with like, I guess he's got kind of, you know, like a little nut. It's a headline that you just have to embrace. Like, this is the headline I saw in NBC. Quadruple amputee and Cornhole pro accused of fatally shooting.

man while driving. There is so many things. Yeah, there he is. That's him. That's him on his YouTube account. He is blasting away with that gun and that man has no hands. I would be terrified as if I was him of accidentally shooting

off, wait. Do we have the hero of him like climbing into the tree? Yeah, I know there's not much less. Oh gosh, look at it. This guy is cooler than I am. Period. Like straight up a little bit of respect for his zest for life as a quadruble amputee apparently had some some illness as a as a kid and they had to

amputate all four limbs in order to save his life and then he I mean we've got we got clips on this guy so let's let's start with uh yeah I mean I haven't seen that one so that's interesting let's start with I guess SOT 19 who is Dayton Weber Dayton Weber is a beast He's strong. He's determined. To me, that's like beast mode, you know. He just got sick like any other normal kid, take him to the hospital and find out that it had gotten to be a bacterial infection.

Grave danger is the word they used all the time. Dayton was diagnosed with a bacterial infection that led to sepsis. The bacteria using his bloodstream as a tool to attack his organs. They suggested that he be baptized and given his last rights. That just didn't enter my thought that I was going to lose them. To prevent the infection from spreading, doctors amputated Dayton's extremities, both arms and legs. That is like really sad. Yeah, but that guy didn't let it hold him back.

That's like one of the saddest things I've ever seen. He committed felonies that most fully limed. people can never dream of. Allegedly. I hate that because it makes me feel all the sympathy for me. And then like the story of the murder is, the murder is like crazy. So he's just sitting in his Tesla. He's got two people in the back.

Dayton Weber was behind the wheel when he opened fire on Bradrick Michael Wells during an argument as they were traveling in a car in the town of Laplata. And then Weber allegedly pulled over and asked the backseat, to help pull wells out of the car. They refused and instead flagged down the pot of police. There's nothing this man can't do. How slow to drag a body out of the... How slow to his friends have to be to allow him to get shots on in the car?

That's what I'm thinking. That's my question. And you kind of wonder about the lead up with the guy like, he's not going to do it. He's like, he probably, like the passenger probably didn't know that he could pull it off. Or maybe he did. I don't know. Jack, you've got... Save us.

I've I know which way to go here. Weber competes in the American day, at the end of the day, you can say, you can certainly say that you have to look out for an unarmed man.

Weber competes in the American Cornhole League, which called this case, quote, an extremely serious matter. That's their quote. What can I say? You just, you just got to give him a hand.

Oscar Pistorius sort of walked so that this man could kind of run. Okay. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. I did get it from a nice tweet. I guess you could say there's a crime afoot.

Oh, yeah. You know what they say? He's got to stand on his own two legs. This is disgraceful. I'm sorry. This has really gone off the rails. This has gone.

I'm trying to think of a good alarm or leg pun. A segment doesn't have much of a leg to stand on. All right. So he could shoot a rifle too? Hold on. Wait, what did you say? Hey, this case doesn't have a leg to stand on. Oh, there you go.

Cut 24 is Dayton Weber shooting a rifle. I didn't see this one. I like that second shot a little better, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. I just got to shoot it one time first. That gun is a little bit.

nasty it. Heck yeah. No doubt. I'm genuinely sad that this guy did murder someone because it really actually, it's genuinely inspiring to see those clips and you feel bad about how it all ended because I think there's a lot of people out there

who would say like I would rather die than live that way and like he did seem to have a pretty rich life other than the murdering people part. Yeah and you kind of wonder like did the trauma of what he went through as a child Did it, like, scar him?

Did it traumatize him in some way that made him do this? I don't know. The whole story really, watching his parents talk about him and watching, like, seeing him as a baby with the arms, like, I cannot imagine being a parent and seeing that happen to my kid. I just can't. So it's a really tragic ending to it. You know what they say, you know what they say, though?

People with disabilities can do anything. in 2020 3 the American Cornhole League called Weber unstoppable and they said that he is a shining example of our slogan anyone can play anyone can win he was also able to he taught himself to write race go-karts and compete in cornhole Weber says that cornhole taught him to take challenges as they come each day wait a minute wait a minute Blake he should he should he should take the stand himself the trial because then the judge will say place your hand on the Bible oh wait it's the technicality they also take the stand i thought you were i thought you were hitting him with that one too

yeah i mean listen it's a it's a sad story i i'm i don't think i'm going to get over the picture of the kids when you have kids like everything changes i mean sure jack will appreciate this like you can't you like it's you know watching gory movies for example is way harder watching anything in a movie that happened to a kid it watching any of these stories I can't watch any movie if there's like a kid. I guess in the new, whatever the last Michael Myers movie is, like when Jamie the Curtis came back, there's something like the kid dies. And it's like a babysitter like accidentally throws him off the stairs.

And he dies in like the first five minutes. And I was just like, I can't, I couldn't even watch the rest of it after that. Just couldn't. Yeah. No, no. So this whole story sucks. But, but it did give some great fodder to the folks online. The comments on this, like, we're legitimately funny.

There are a laughout lot of funny. Yeah. Wait, is Jack going to claim the quadruple amputees are gay also? No, no. Jack didn't do anything. I mean, he was literally obsessed with holes. He was a professional. Do we have the coronal?

He professionally put things into holes. 11-year-olds. Clip, it says clip 20. That's a great book. Great book. What's wrong with that? It's a clip 20. Fasio, whatever...

Newberry Award. Let's play... Let's play him talking about playing cornhole. We're here at my house. This is where I practice my cornhole. Cornhole has been a passion of mine since I was eight years old, you know, thrown in the backyard

with my parents, friends, and stuff. At first, it took me a little while to get it there to the board consistently. I was able to compensate the grip on the bag by just grabbing the corner of it with me propelling myself forward and the whip of the bag, that's how I get it there.

That guy's better at Cornhole than I am. A lot better. He's in the professional Cornhole. He's better at murdering people than you are too, which is... Man. But do you care, Blake has tried that we know of. That we know of. Man, gosh, why did this guy have to go kill somebody?

We should have had him on thought crime before he did that. He's like actually such an inspiration. except uh unfortunately um all right well good now we're all it's a great downer really really good job don't like your disabilities get in the way of your dreams so there you go all right well listen jack have a great time it's CPAC tell us uh keep keep the vibe up keep enjoying it um and yeah and uh yeah why don't you uh take us home sign us us off and take us home. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more

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