The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 124 — The Great Tattoo Debate? Save Spirit Airlines? British Smoking Ban?

Episode Date: April 25, 2026

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full compliance with thought crime rules and regulations today. Thank you, Foss. Does not have a jacket. Wait, did Foss have to do that right before we went on air? No. You're serious right now. No. This sounds unconvincing. So, no, here's the deal. I was booked to do Will Kane's show. It got pushed because Trump went long or whatever. But I had to, you know, you have to wear the... Here comes, folks. You have to wear the thing.

The shirt and the tie and the jet. Well, listen, some people have, you know, some of us have real jobs here, you know. Dang. Dang. How's the turtle, Jack? Still dead. Yeah, it's definitely dead. It's definitely dead.

Yeah, we had dead turtle at the house. I said, oh, look, there's the SPLC's rotting carcass right there. You know, I wish that was more true. You know the SPLC has like $800 million? $800 million endowment. Yeah. That's like reserved for universities. You could keep a lot of dead turtles alive.

for a long time. Well, hold on. We have to, we have to, you can't actually bring shows back to life. But, but,

but to go, it's got Andrew, we've got, uh, we've got Black Pill, he's got a lot of, we got us to serve in the spice wars. We can't afford to lose the spice wars.

So, the spice must flow. Yeah, the spice has got a flow. And if that means we lose Tyler, for one or two or five episodes at a time. So be it. But we hope we'll get here.

Because we have something very, very important to update everyone on. So important that we have to get in. Somebody went to Wawa, I believe, for the very first time this week. Andrew, that's not true. No, I have explained this to you before. Multiple times I think of the last week,

Russ is laugh. I've gone to Wawa many times. usually when I'm in D.C. Because it's like, you know, conveniently on store corners. Nope. Because it's a gas station, isn't it? It's basically a gas station. I don't,

I don't understand. So that's just a lie. But it's kind of, it's what he's saying is it's kind of the same thing. Yeah, it's like a quick trip, right? Yeah, it's a quick trip. No. It's a, no.

I mean, it's like, it's like, it's better. It's like, it's true. No, quick trip is for people, quick trip is for people who don't like, like, taste and flavor. Hey, you know what? Quick trip is where I get my coffee, so leave me alone.

They have black rifle? Yeah, no. I mean, no, I understand. I mean, that's one of the reasons that berry flavor. Yeah, it's a energy drink. Because there's no wah-wah. Well, I like Wawa, Jack. I do like it.

And they have great sandwich selection and many others. What did you get? What'd you get? I mean, I think I got like a turkey something or other, but I don't know. I was in and out. But did you get turkey hoagie or turkey turkey, turkey, uh, I got the hoagia. As a proper red state American, I prefer sheets. Oh, uh-oh.

Sheets and Wawa are from the same state, Blake. I know. And I'm from the red part of the state, as opposed to the blue lib part of the state is sheets. So are you saying Wawa is blue-coded? Yes. Wawa is Philly-Coded. Sheets is heroic American countryside coded. Wow.

This is a big dividing line. It sounds like sheets is heritage Americans and Wai-W. is import Americans. Yeah. No. That are not really American. So not even close. I just don't have an affinity for trumped up gas stations.

Well, this is my whole thing. My question is, she'd never been to Wawa. So like, you know, as a person who's never even been there. Yeah. Bucky's is probably more the red-coated. Yeah, but Bucky's, there's just different geographic locations.

I don't think you could make a Bucky's work. But Buckees is also a different category of thing. Like, Buckies is more like a truck stop. I think, I think the, the chat needs. to inform us. What is better? Sheets, Buckeys, or Wawa?

By the way, I bet more people know Wawa just because I think there's more Wawa's. I'm pretty sure there's more sheets. More people know about Wawa. Your trip and the highways are pretty... Yeah, Wawa and Cheats are pretty... They go toe to toe these days. All right, Jack, why don't you educate me?

Why do you like Wawa so much? Because I like quality. I like taste. Because I believe in Maha and real food, which sheets is not. Wait, you think Wawa is Mama? Maha? Wait.

Mama? Mama. So wait, you think Wawa is Maha? And not woo-woo. Compared to sheets, absolutely. Woo-woo? Yeah, that's Blake's sick. Blake thinks Maha is woo-woo.

It's a bunch of woo-woo. That's why I don't go for the Wawa. That was the Atlantic's story about the Maha movement during the campaign. It was like woo-woo. Right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, let's see. So it's good quality food.

It's Philadelphia based, obviously, from there. Okay, there it is. That's the real reason. It's the real reason. It's the real reason. He likes it because it's in Philly, where as you said, we have these import Americans

who took over a Heritage American city, but where Heritage America still thrives in Appalachian. Which founded the country 250 years ago this year. So I fly into Philly last weekend because I had to go to an event. And so I made the comment to Jack. I was like, I haven't been to Philly in, I mean, ages. It's been a long time since I've been to Philly. And Jack, instantly, the first thing he goes, Wawa, got to go to Wawa.

I was like, did you go to Wawa? Yeah. He was like asking me about the event and trying to get some like, what's the lay of the land? Who are some of the key figures out there? And I was like, but did you go to Wawa? Like, I just want to know if you went to Wawa, Andrew. And he's like, he's like, yeah, no, get there. I'm like, and I wouldn't stop, like, I wouldn't answer any of his questions.

until he confirmed me that he was on his way to Wawa. Yeah, it was pretty funny. It shows where Jack is not even sponsored by Wawa. So you were in Philly for the first time in eternity. Did you go to? No, I did nothing cool. I flew in on a red eye. I woke up.

I went to bed as soon as I got to the hotel at like 5.30 in the morning. I woke up. I ended up having to deal with some work stuff that popped up, wrote my speech, drove to the event in Lancaster, which I say right. and then I did the event drove home, went to bed, woke up, hit the airplane.

I was trying to get, I wanted to go downtown to be honest, I wanted to drive around downtown. So have you never been to Pat's or Genos? I have, I've been to both. Okay, you've been to Bo. Yeah, that was on my original trip to Philly.

Actually, the time that I went to Philly before this time was when I went to Patts and Genos. Okay. Where they come together in little triangles. Which did you prefer? Yeah. I can't actually recall. Yeah, I really can't.

I think I was, when I went to Pats and Gino's, I think I was like 19. And so I can't remember which one. I thought they were good, but I didn't think either was extraordinary. It's being evasive, Jack. Jack, what do you think? The difference comes down to, like, what you prefer? Genos is, like, a cleaner bun and a, you know, like, very much made to order.

Whereas Pats, like, they soak the buns into grease, and it's just dripping with, like, flavor and fat. and steak, you know, gooiness. And so if you like that better, then you'll like a Pats better. Do you like that soggy bun situation? If you want the cleaner, but like, so I generally prefer Pats, whereas my wife generally prefers Gino's because she likes that cleaner bun. Gino's also the one that they had the stunt where like you had to speak American to order a sandwich properly.

Yeah, so Joey Vento was the former owner. He passed away of, of Gino's back 20 years ago now, man. 2006 when he put this up that said this is America put up a sign that said this is America when ordering speak English. That was Gino's. They wouldn't do that now though. I mean they might

I think they kept it up a long time. They might have taken it down in 2020 or something. I don't know. They may have taken it down every past. Oh, it's worse. The sign was quietly removed shortly before the 2016 Democrat National Convention to avoid offending the Democrats.

Which is in fact, that is, I believe, when I actually went to Pats and Gino. No, wait, no. I went to Pats and Ginos because I was in Philly to cover the White Privilege Conference in 2016. True story. You know what's been a really fascinating.

It was always the move like after, like you go to a concert or something. So like all throughout high school or college, like you go to a concert, you know, then you hit up Pats and Ginos. Because all the, everything else is closed, but they'd be open late nights. So you just go down there.

You get a steak, drive home. Good, good times. And it was safe enough back when I was, in high school and college that my parents would let me go down there with and come on this pre-cell phone era so without a cell phone they're like yeah have the car go to the concert go to pass and genos come home be fine all right so to get back to our original topic here which is the wah-wa versus sheets thing so we have no so we have so we have wah-wa it's theoretically this top gas station chain but we all know it's not really competitive with buckies and that raises the question

has Wawa has way more gas than Wawa and yet he doesn't refer to that as a gas station from the southern poverty law center to make it competitive

with Buckees so that we can pretend that there is a viable gas station on the East Coast. I think we need to ask these questions now has the SBLC

been funneling money Hey we have cheaper gas than you Arizona guys do it's true you know why because of the we're in a gas desert in the west

because the area California should be supplying better gas, but they don't. So getting supplies to Arizona is a bit of a trouble. Also, who cares? Arizona's just like we flow with wealth. Almost like God didn't intend for people to live in deserts. God really didn't. Although I will tell you, so fun fact, gosh, we're bouncing all over the place. Sorry audience, but hey, check this out. So there are a series of canals throughout the valley and Phoenix. Turns out these canals were first used like 1,500 years ago by the Native Americans. They have been, functioned. They charted out the exact, like, perfect route for the water to flow with gravity. And so we still use the exact same route as they did originally. What happened to those people?

They got wiped out by the settlers. Oh, so they're all dead. All right. Well, that's an ominous sign. But anyway, I will know. But Phoenix actually has a water source coming from two directions, basically, down into the valley, and it flows throughout the valley. So people have been here for a long time. As I will know, Phoenix is a fake desert.

It rains all the time here. If Blake is the one person in Phoenix who thinks the problem with Phoenix is that it rains too much. And it's too cold. It rains all the time. It's too cold and it rains all the time here. This is a fake desert. And in fact, in real life, if you check the science, it is the wettest desert in the world. What?

It is. Every day, Angel, let me ask you this. This is the wetest desert in the world. In order to be a desert, you have to get less than 10 inches of rain a year, right? I don't know what the exact amount is, but whatever it is, we are right at that dividing line. They could move it. little bit and we'd just be one of those semi-arid planes or whatever. Maybe climate change will save us.

Yeah. All right. So we're keeping in mind. But we have to get all the SPLC. Wait, wait. Before we do this, though, Andrew, when you were on the East Coast, when you were in beautiful Pennsylvania, you did not see a desert climate, did you? No.

You saw what a real springtime looks like. I saw Lyme disease. I saw, if I hike through this forest, I'm going to get Lyme disease. Yeah, that's Connecticut. My fiance can attest to that. Yeah, that's what I saw, Jack. I saw, man, how brave and, you know, just amazing were the founding generations that pioneered through those forests and made settlements and established America. Philadelphia is where we originally noticed the phenomenon of, like, everyone being zombified on fentanyl, right?

I think the original fentany was on Philadelphia. That's what I think is. So that area is called, is Kenyonville. Kensington and it's called the K&A corner, so Kensington and Allegheny in Philly. So what's interesting is that though, so it's, yeah, where all the fentanyal zombies are. It's underneath the market Frankfurt L right now. And what's interesting is that that same area, Blake, I'm sure you would find this interesting. It used to be run by a group called the K&A gang.

And the K&A gang was basically the Irish mafia of Philadelphia. And let me tell you something. Even up through the 80s, up for the 1990s, you could still go down to K&A and you could take your family shopping there on a Sunday. You could go out with your friends. It was perfectly safe and perfectly fine when it was run by the Irish Mafia. However, when they cleaned that up and decided to let the fentanyl zombies run in through, we now have a new name for that area, and it is called Kensington Beach.

Do you guys know why it's called Kensington Beach? Everybody's laying out on the sidewalk. It's called Kensington Beach because everyone's laying out on the sidewalk, strung out, like they're on the beach, and like they're sunning themselves. This is true, though. This is true. Dying of fentanyl. What you're talking about is a true phenomenon. Because in Boston, I remember when I was in Boston, there's an area that was controlled by the Italian mafia. Everybody kind of still knew it. I don't know if it still is.

But it was the safest part of Boston, like the urban core of Boston. It's the Methodomile. Because the Italian mafia ran it. Hey, do you guys know what the name for the neighborhood is where all the fungional zombies are in Phoenix? Because if you do, you should tell me. because I don't have an easy shorthand druggy neighborhood in Phoenix. In Boston, I think it's also called Mass and Cass.

I think in Boston it's called Mass and Cass, aka the Methadoneome Mile. I know exactly you're talking about. We have some really good SPLC memes and like the team's like, we need to abandon that topic. No, these SPLC memes have to be shown. Blake.

Well, yeah, so how you were saying, the SPLC has funded. It turns out the big plot twist this week because the SPLC has been funding various disreputable organizations like the Ku Klux Klan and the National Socialist Party of America and the city of Philadelphia and Wawa and all of these things, various sinister entities. But it turns out they finally got caught. So they've got a pile of $800 million.

And it turns out they've been paying people on the far right better than the actual far right pays its own people. And they finally got caught. And we have a lot of great stuff. Let's see. what do you guys think is the funniest one you needed to rank these by like funniness otherwise well so before we

before we get into the means just to make sure everyone you know because some people like this is the for some people this is actually their only source of news all week I've heard because some people are straight up like I only listen to thought crime I actually just somebody told me the exact same thing this week yeah so fair enough yeah yeah no I'm serious like I have people tell me that so

this has come up where the SPLC which was basically like the or like they were like the racism clearinghouse. Like we determined whether or not people are racist or not. Like that's how they reported themselves and that and they've been cited by everyone, literally everyone from CBS to CNN to the Department of Justice to the FBI like all the way up and down courts have cited them. PayPal would censor you and Venmo would debank you if you were listed by the SPLC. Amazon would delist you Wikipedia Wikipedia on Charlie's Charlie Kirk's page still cites

the SPLC. I checked that this week. And so over and over and over, they are seen as this like reputable clearinghouse of quote unquote, we determine who the extremists are. And they were indicted this week for fraud because it turns out that they were raising a ton of money, even direct mail campaigns and scare tactics to raise money. And they were actually funding extremist organizations to then go around and scare their donors and say, oh my gosh, look at all these extremist groups and look at all these events and look at all this racism that's on the rise, but it turns out it was on the rise because they were paying for it in the first place. And they got indicted and there's egg all over their face and it's really, really funny.

And Blake, to your point, the memes have been absolute fire. The memes have been like probably the best part of my week. Honestly, like we probably just just go through them all. Number one. Number one is just them announcing the indictment. No, number two. There you go. You guys are getting...

Finding out the SPLC... Finding out the SPLC has been paying people to promote white supremacy. You guys are getting paid. So true. So true. Hey, man, some of us do it for love of the game. Yeah, I was going to say... Me...

Never... Number three gives me 75 bucks. Honestly, just like cycle through that. This is a little boy. It's like putting on to a lot of Hilton. What is this? This is some little kid is marching, is goose-stepping, and doing the Hitler salute after the SPLC says it's $75. This is the great Clayton Bigsby bit from the Shepal show years ago, the black white supremacist.

The last SPLC meeting went. This is good. He takes the hood off and he's black underneath. We should have had that with the sound. We should have had that with the sound. I don't know. some of the sound on that episode might not be great. Oh, here's Sabrina Carpenter.

My woke aunt learning her SPLC donations were funding the KKK. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. It is funny. Jokes aside. What is this one saying?

What is this is going to say? Heading into my new job at the Southern Poverty Law Center. That's good. I love it. All right. Wait. Okay, here we go. SPLC employee waking up this morning.

realizing they were funding the very thing they were fighting quote-unquote are we the baddies now are we the baddies um okay oh dear the elmo one but what if elmo was paid two hundred and seventy thousand dollars by the spLC to say it can elmo say it then terrible terrible and that is two black kids on a bench that's terrible well we the thing is is you can make jokes but that probably happened because we see in indictment that someone who was involved in planning the unite the right rally was making allegedly was making far right posts under the oversight of the spLC so the spLC very well may have told someone say it to blend in kid say it the number the number of n words in the world possibly went up because of the spLC's money that's probably the best well the the most

succinct best put way i've heard it said there have been more n words uttered in the world because of the spielc they're they're paying for it all. They're funding. That's really funny. They're funding N-Words. The $800 million N-word fund. What did you say Obama? But that being said, they're never going to, you know,

they're never going to care. You have to understand how the liberal mind works. They're never actually going to believe you or care. They're just going to say the SPLC is on my side and you're not. Well, don't hey, do we have their explanation for why they, if we don't have that clip, they gave this

like terrible. We were firebom 40 years ago, so we needed to do this. I was like, okay. Okay, this one's funny because it's, you know, hi, mom, why are we so rich? And your daddy was a Klansman who did contract work for the SPLC. I mean, they paid really well. One of the guys got paid a million dollars by them.

Over a period. They call it the Poverty Palace, right, Blake? They had a lot. They have a lot of go. This was great from the movie Rocky, a little Philly action there, Blake. There you go. I don't see any. I'm logging into Blue Sky to tell the lefties they've been funding the KKK.

They're all running after. Well, what is funny is you can find them all lined up. This will probably increase the SPLC's donations because like the left is naturally going to be reactive in that way. And they're going to say like, screw you, I'm going to donate to the SPLC. And the funny thing about it, I don't even know if I hate it that much. I would love to destroy the SPLC. But the consolation if we fail to do this and it becomes bigger than ever, the SPLC is kind of a money sink for the left. It is a thing that gets a ton of money

so that they can have a website up with an annoying hate mat. And they used to be more dangerous because they were teaching people at the FBI. They were embedded in a lot of things. But now, at this point, the right has learned the SPLC's a scam. We're not listening to the crap, they say.

They don't have the institutional power they used to do, but they still get tons of money. And if you're going to give a left-wing org $500 million, I'd be a lot more worried if that $500 million was going to the ACLU, if it was going to some lawfare org and instead it's going to the SPLC so they can have their gold-plated front door on their poverty palace

in Montgomery. Let's do the Seinfeld one with the sound. It says the caption says reviewing my speech written by the SBLC for the hotties for Hitler rally after they paid me $50,000. This is a great scene from Seinfeld play. And the Jews

steal our money through the Zionist occupied government and use the black man to bring drugs into our oppressed white minority communities. SPLC is paying for it, folks. Brought to you in part by the SPLC. Bay Seinfeld. Do we have any more?

Dang, we have so many. We have unlimited amounts. There's so many of these. I sent a million to another. And I've definitely been texting, like, everyone in my context list. Wait, where? I like that, hold on, the Star Wars one.

one's that. Yeah. Oh, that's already up. SPLC, I'm working on hate crimes. Like, stopping them. Right? Stopping them, right? Yeah, that was pretty funny. Then there's the American History X one. Which one? That one?

Oh, man. That one's bad. Edward Norton? That was bad. No, no, no. You're thinking of the like the X-rated one or the R-rated one, if you will. I was just thinking about the normal one where he goes from like normal. That actor's name is Ed Norton. Gordon. Yeah, his face changes.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, we don't have that one. Oh, well. Show the Cash Patel one, 21. Yeah. Cash Patel whipping off the KKK hood to reveal it was Obama all along. Obamna.

Play it again. Nice. Obama. Why is there an N in that Obama? What is the Colbert one, 18? Oh, yeah, he did that. He did it. It was, oh, man.

Can't play Stephen. Colbert did that. Stephen Colbert did the Elon. Oh my goodness. He went full Elon must there. Stephen Colbert trying to. I think we have to get credit words due though because I've said this a couple other place I'll say here too that Fox News has been great on this.

Fox News has been all over this story. They've covered it. I know Andrew they had you on. They've been covering it in daytime. I mean, they've just been all over the story. They really have. Yeah. Well, you know, it's funny.

So I get booked to do the Fox thing with Jesse about it. And I look at the dates of when they put Turning Point in Charlie, you know, on the hate map. And it was late May of 2025. So that's the fifth month of the year. You go to September. It was less than four months, less than four months. So he gets put on a hate map. Four months later, he gets killed by an assassin who says some hate can't be negotiated out.

It was Memorial Day to Labor Day, basically. Yeah. So, I mean, if you kind of, like, we, we like to laugh at the SPLC, but their influence is tremendous. Not only are they, you know, successful in ginning up a lot of money. By the way, after Charlottesville, their donations almost tripled in one year. So talk about a great ROI on investment, return on investment. They, they funded one of the leaders of that rally, right, $270,000. But they have that, we talk about the statue heat map that they have.

A lot of people were tearing down the statues that the SBLC told them they should tear down. And then you could even trace the presidency of Joe Biden. The reason he ran is because he said Charlottesville, because he said that these white supremacists were taken over the country or something, which is bizarre, especially as the white population is dropping dramatically. Which, by the way, one of the leaders of the SBLC has had famously a poster on the back of his wall during an interview that tracked the decrease of the white. percentage of the population in America over the years. It's so deranged that that's real. Yeah, it's real. So anyways, you could laugh at them. They are a former husk, a hollowed-out husk of their former selves, but it's like they're not that hollowed out. Yeah, exactly. And they still got $800 million and they still inform the FBI. They still work with the DOJ. At least they did during Biden years.

You know, if this lawsuit succeeds, by the way, because they're claiming they fundraised using fraudulent means, it would allow the federal government to seize the money. Ooh, good. That'll help pay for some of the terrorists. It's a strategy they've gone for. The left did they tried to do the same thing to the NRA. They were going to seize all of the NRA's money and basically give it to anti-gun groups. They failed to do so, but they came close.

Yeah, I mean, I just think the SPLC is a really despicable organization, and it really does put a target on your back if you get put on their infamous heat map. So I hope that to the extent, you know, more than the money, more than anything, it's kind of like, I hope that whatever power that is is broken, is shattered. that they are discredited to the point that they can't influence, at least as many people. I'm sure there's going to be some people that still believe it. But that's really the goal is that they lose the power to target and put conservatives on their hit list. Destroy the SPL. 100%. If you are a parent like me, sometimes you go through these growth spurts with your kids at home.

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That is in peril right now. It also has a demographic relation. And that, of course, is Spirit Airlines. Spirit Airlines is in peril or are they? If you need to use the bathroom? I don't know. I've never used to charge you for toilet. I'll admit, I don't know that I've ever. I've flown it once.

I'm not sure that I've ever, I've ever crapped on an airplane. I don't know. It just seems like something they would do. But it was Spirit Airlines is like the Ryanair of America, right? Essentially. I slew it once, but it was like if you bring a backpack. Ryanair is way better than Spirit. Way, right.

Ryan Air is more ruthless. Ryanair is like, they're also ruthless. You can get a super stripped down thing and you can fly somewhere for like $30. Yeah. Spirit Air doesn't go that extreme. Spirit Air was just a front. It was just not as good of a model.

I remember when I lived in Europe in college for a semester. you know, I flew Ryanair everywhere, basically. Yeah, right. No, Ryan was the only way I got around. I flew Ryanair last fall. But no, Spirit is around. I've flown Spirit multiple times. And truthfully, I've never really had a bad experience with it. The main bad experience is if you use it to fly to D.C., you fly into Baltimore. But anyway, Spirit Airlines is, they're having a rough time right now. As you guys may have heard, gas prices have risen around the world due to, you know, macroeconomic effects.

That can be unpredictable. And that has placed budget airlines like Spirit in peril. But racing to the rescue is the Trump administration, which is offering $500 million to bailout Spirit Airlines, which it says something about our federal government that a $500 million bailout for a company barely makes you blink. We probably spend $500 million to buy some screw that we use in like a fighter jet. Why would you rush in to bail out something as horrendous and culturally problematic as Spirit Airlines? Is Spirit Airlines culturally problematic? Do you just have a problem with the color yellow? Do you have a problem with the other color that's on that plane, Andrew? I think it's bad for air travel and the culture of air travel.

It's like the Carnival Cruise Line of airlines. You may have a point. You probably go on there and they're playing. I don't know. They either play country music which you hate or they play in rap. Luckily, there's noise canceling headphones that you can use to block out. None of the passengers on Spirit Airlines have enough social grace to do. Yeah, but I can use noise-canceling headphones so that I don't hear.

What I will say is, are you defending? Are you a Spirit Airlines? I am shilling for Spirit Airlines. I will say this. I will say this, a funny thing that applies a lot to air travel compared to other industries is like a lot of people seem genuinely angry that people who aren't rich are able to fly on planes. Because if you check flight prices from the 1970s, the 1980s, it used to be a lot more expensive to fly. and far fewer people had ever done it. I remember I only flew a handful of times before I was in high school.

It was pretty common to meet people who'd never flown on a plane in their entire lives. It's a lot cheaper to fly now. It's a lot more accessible. One of the reasons is things like Spirit Airlines. Now, Frontier is good. Frontier is good? I've flown Frontier. I'll never ride at Frontier again after what they do to us.

So I just Googled what is the cheapest airlines? That Frontier and Spirit Airlines are generally the cheapest airlines for, I have a problem with Frontier, not because of their service. My main problem with Frontier is when I'm searching for a flight somewhere, it'll always be gumbed up by suggesting, well, actually, the cheapest option is if you get on this Frontier plane, fly to Denver, and then wait 17 hours to take a follow-up flight to another big. And that's annoying. You can usually... You can select it out, but I have to go and do that. Yeah, which for clicking is so...

We had a really... We had a really bad experience in Frontier once where we were flying back from Orlando. and I think it was like one of the seatbacks was down there at one point. And this was when our youngest was still a baby. And they had oversold the flight or overbooked or whatever. And we're standing there at the door. Like when they, you know, when they say like line up if you have kids or whatever. So we're staying there at the door with the baby.

And they say, oh, you can't get on. You're oversold. I'm like, we have a baby. Like we have children. And they just, they just wouldn't let us on the flight. We were there plenty of time and all the rest of it. And yeah, is that a trip booked by? I had to rent a car to drive home, basically.

I'll just drive all the way back up 95 from Florida because Frontier wouldn't let us on with a baby. So I'm never going to forget that. Yeah, no, I flew last time I flew Frontier, one of the windows had like tape around it. And I was like, this feels like a potential weak spot in the, why is there tape around this? It held.

Everything was fine. There was a, as a man, I have that male experience of sometimes wanting to go and read historic plane disasters. There was a flight from Hawaii once where they had a vulnerable window and they had an explosive decompression and it literally did just, it ejected like two rows of seats

and those people died and then no one else died and they successfully landed, but it just sucked a few seats out and that was the end of them. Could have been you, Andrew. I was like, but you missed out. That would probably been a peak experience, Andrew.

You have to admit. You would have died, but it would have been really exciting before you die. I would have enjoyed it for not enjoyed it. I would have. been terrified. I don't, I'm not a good flyer as it is, by the way. Yeah, my fiance is not a good flyer. I'm a bad flyer. I get through it. I get through it, but yeah, that's the thing. So actually, that's why I took

the red eye to Philly, because at least I, I slept through two-thirds of the flight, which was pretty good for me. I can't sleep on most flights, but red eyes, I'm just so tired that I'm like, okay. Caboos has a hot take. He says flying should be a luxury. The prol masses should not be allowed to fly in the sky. Why you got to be like Asam Piker? Yeah, he's been, they're being these us here. I think people should have access to air travel. I think the ability to travel to distant places at a cheap price is good. Is exactly

why America is getting overrun with foreigners. And it's good that we have affordable options like Spirit Airlines which you can choose to not fly on. I also find it weird when people get angry. They say, Spirit's bad so you shouldn't, so like it should go broke. Just fly on Delta if you want a nice

or plane. We're missing the whole big part of the problem with your argument is that you think it's, you think that the federal government should come in and bail out a failing airline. Yeah. They're failing. Good. Why is it going out of business?

Yeah. Why is it going out of business? The question, Blake. I would ideally not bail out any companies, but me too. You know, we bailed out, we bailed out Silicon Valley Bank because we disagreed with. Yes. And we bailed out, you know, we're bailing out a lot of companies. Yeah.

And we're going to bail out all of them. Government motors. 500 million for. Remember we used to call GM government motors after the bailout in 2000? I mean, I mean, but. Why would you bail out spirit? It's a terrible brand. It's a terrible paint job.

It's bad service. Let Frontier pick up the slack. Yeah, let another airline buy up the assets. It'll be fine. Like, that's, yeah. But what if, what if, hold on, hold on. If we're going to nationalize spirit, what if we could say, I don't know, put Stephen Miller in charge of it and turn it into a deportation plea? What if the federal government bought up all the planes for the $500 million, pennies on the dollar, and used them as,

deportation planes. That's a cool idea. This is great. Or if they bailed them out, if they bailed them out, and part of the deal was they had to supply flights for that. That's a good idea. Or what if we spent the $500 million and we used it as a bribe to have Ryanair expand into America?

Yeah, why don't we have Ryanair? I guess there's like regulations and stuff. Maybe regulation. I think also probably average flight distance in the U.S. is longer. In Europe, they can have all those profitable things where you hop from London to Paris for, and it's a 25-minute whole game with Ryanair when you're in Europe is you just like you get on you Google like because they they tell you you could get a cheap deal they actually you don't have to go hunting for

it they show you what you can get a hot deal on you're like I wasn't planning on going to Frankfurt today but why yeah when I when I was when I was I was like an hour to half outside when my cousin joined the convent we flew from Naples to Palermo and it was just because right it was well it was part of the trip but it was $25 yeah so I um I agree the I think that's really fun. That's a fun part about Europe that we can't really match, but it's probably to your point. Like the distance between worthwhile airports is pretty far.

The one thing with Ryanair, though, in Europe is that you have to really look at the airport you're flying into and then Google the travel. Because, like, it'll tell you you can go to London, but it's like, what is it, Gatwick? There's one other one. There's London. Oh, yeah, there's Gatwick and Luton. It's a Luton? I thought it was like London Hantstead.

So I'll have to look at it. throws the main one. And the heat throws the main one, but they don't fly into heat. No, no, that's my point. I'm not,

nobody's saying. Like, there's like these, like, Ryanair uses like the other ones. Gatwick. Gatwick. London Gatwick.

So it'll, oh, in Stansted. Yeah, London Stansted. Yeah, you're right. So,

so the Stansted and Gatwick are like really far out. So you're flying to London. Well, he throws kind of far out too. Because I was studying in Spain. And so I would go on to like the Seville airport. I would try, you know,

you know, and then it would be like, where can I go? And it would oftentimes, London would be one of the options because it's a major area. But then you go to Gatwick or Stansted and you're like three hours outside of London. Somehow that's how they get away with it. Speaking of London, we could go to the next topic if we want. All right. Or we could dwell on the spirit question.

Are we going to banning flags? Oh, it's not flags. Yeah, we're talking about something else. So the British government and its great wisdom is, banning fags for those born after the year 2008. Cigarettes, everybody. Yes, yes, indeed. Yes, we should explain that.

So in British slang, that word does refer to cigarettes. The banning bundles of sticks. And the British government kind of came out of nowhere. And in Britain, what they are doing is they are banning smoking, but they're not just banning it for everyone in true boomer fashion. Sorry to all you boomers out there, but this is definitely a boomer move if I ever saw one. They are allowing older people. to continue smoking.

But anyone born 2009 or onwards, they'll have a steadily escalating ban. Basically, if you're becoming an adult right now, you can never, ever buy a cigarette. And they're going to raise the minimum age for buying them by one year every year. I haven't thought about this. So, like, at some point, you know, if you're like a 60-year-old, you'd be like, give me a pack of smokes. And they'll be like, nope, it's 61 and over only. Yeah. Do you think they'll, there'll still be like some random place.

as it's all. But this doesn't, this is an account for like shoulder tapping, right? At least in the short term, right? Like, hey, you're a year older than me. You were born in 2008. So you go ahead and give me the pack. This is Britain. So Britain's really authoritarian. So they're the kind of country that would in this future you envision probably do things like I'm really distracted because they're showing you go. I'm really distracted. We have a, we have a TV set up here and it's showing an episode of Yu-Gio for some reason. Sorry, total loss of my train of thought. Britain is an authority. Like, like,

like, but what Britain would do is they will have a network of cameras everywhere, which they already have, just total panopticon, and they will use AI

to detect you if you are engaging in that behavior, of having someone buy the cigarettes for you, give them to you, and then they will send in their hijab wearing Gestapo police to kick in your door and say that you didn't have a license

for those cigarettes and they're going to pay, they're going to find you 50 pounds, which, because Britain is an impoverished country poorer than Mississippi, would be like 70% of your income. That's the real news is the fact that the UK, if it was our 51st state, would be the poorest state in the union. By a mile, too.

Like, not even close. That's wild. It's incredible. And they're like, we treat them like a proper country. They pulled the British and they thought, the British people thought they would be the seventh richest state. They're completely full of it. They're DeLulu. DeLulu. But is that is that with GDP per capita or is that with purchasing power?

I can't imagine purchasing power in the UK is any better where you can pay $4,000 for a like what 500 square foot flat let's see what let's see uh i'm just saying like let's let's compare apples apples brit britain would be poor state in u.s mississippi governor responds with vicious one-liner like i have to imagine purchasing power parity just makes things worse for britain you go to britain and it's like eight pounds for a sandwich which would be 13 dollars here basically oh yeah for sure we'd be in the top 10 maybe top five on a good date nah 51st like compare

Mississippi to Britain and Mississippi I bet you could buy a 4,000 square foot house for 450K. This is funny. So Governor Tate Reeves, the one-liner, I want to put this up on up on the screen for people. Yeah, you're right. It's actually still over with purchasing power. He goes, as we say in Mississippi, 40, 50% higher. Yeah. So the governor's reply to this guy, goes, if the UK joined the U.S. as the 50th state, we would be the poorest state in the entire Union. Mississippi, which is portrayed as swamp dwelling hillbillies in majority of international media is above us. I don't think people grasp how far we've fallen in real terms. So Tate Reeves goes, as we say in Mississippi, bless your heart. Or as you say in the UK,

al-salam al-al-a-lakem. Yeah. Yeah, but you know what, though? I'm going to push back a little bit on that because like GDP in general isn't a good measure of median household income. You know, it's because you're, it's like a measure of a bucket of all companies and all things in your economy. So just because the GDP is doing well, it's like stock market is going up. So that means that everybody's got money in their pocket, but it's not true because you're averaging in corporate earnings along with individual families and individual family earnings. So that's why like GDP just in general isn't the best measure for something like this. Like you want to look, I'd want to look at median household income, a couple other different things before we actually like like crap on them.

Well, it is what it is. And I do think that that's a, it's one measure. I agree. Like, for example, I lived in Spain and college. I already brought this up for a semester a little bit longer. It was like, I think seven, eight months. And I think it was 19%. They called it Estat and Paro.

just meant unemployed, like living off the dole. And I would say the quality of life, even for the people that were not working in the south of Spain, it was a like hugely high unemployment rate. But the quality of life was still pretty high. They complained about it. They were upset about it. But it was, they all got by and they just sat at their bars and drank and smoked cigarettes and walked around, hung out in the plazas. It's a life. It's a decaying life.

It's a decaying way. Eventually, the money runs. The boomer supremacy in Europe is actually way more extreme than in the U.S. Well, now they're going to be able to smoke cigarettes. Okay, hold on. Without alienating some of our audience, explain what you mean by boomer supremacy. As in, so, like, everything revolving around the priorities of pensioners to the exclusion of our pensioners, what they would call retirees, much more extreme. Like in France, the average, it's gotten so bad where the average retirees pension from the government is actually above the average income.

No kidding. people. And they haven't adjusted that. Which is not how it is in the U.S. wealthy people have good net worths, but your Social Security payment is not above the median income of the United States. That actually is the case in France. Okay. So you just said that in France, the average pensioner is making more than the median average medium income in France. And part of that is birth rates. It's, but it's what's funny is that is that is the justification. The justification for it is, oh, we need all these people to pay our pensions which are out of control. But it doesn't work because actually, A lot of these people just don't work. And they are themselves just making the system worse and worse. But Britain has a very funny one.

In Britain, they have a thing called the triple lock. And it is politically impossible to ever change the triple lock. Have you ever heard of this? Yeah, I have. Yeah. I don't remember exactly how it works. So the triple lock is, by law, in Britain, they have to raise the amount of a pension that's paid out to a person each year.

And it has to go by either the rate of inflation as they calculate it, some sort of I believe the average wage in the country is basically one of three things. Actually, I should just check what it is. The triple lock. It is one of the measures, it's either inflation, average earnings, based on the average earnings in the country, or two and a half percent, whichever is basically produces the highest increase. And so even if there's no inflation, even if there's no increased in cost of living, even if they're in a recession, basically, you still get a two and a half percent increase. And, but if it's above two and a half percent in terms of inflation, it'll go up to that one. This guarantees it is a mathematical certainty.

It is a mathematical law of the universe. This will eventually cause them to go broke. So can't get rid of it. Yeah. So you know what's interesting. And that's crazy that I didn't know that they'd worked. I mean, especially with their zero growth that they have over there. But I remember, I don't know why this keeps coming up today, but I remember I was traveling when I was living in Spain.

We were in Portugal. And we went to get some food. And we're sitting at this cafe and this homeless Brit. He was homeless. But he had been living in Portugal because it was warmer, I guess. He was homeless. His clothes were all tattered. And he was sitting there and he was having a beer at like, I don't know, 10 a.m.

And we somehow get into this conversation with this guy. And he was over the moon because he said, tomorrow is the day that I qualify for my British pension. And I won't have to live this way anymore. And I was like, so like, how long has it been since you lived in England? He's like, oh, about 18 years. So the guy hadn't been paying into the system for 18 years, but he was going to get locked into his British pension,

even though he's living in Portugal as a homeless guy. If you look at the rhetoric in Britain in similar countries, it's genuinely depressing. Like, the national ideology of Britain, like they're defining reason to exist as a country. If you even listen to their actual government ministers is basically, we don't have America's healthcare system.

I'm not even making this up. Gordon Brown once, their prime minister once suggested, we should have a national day like other countries do because they don't have an independence day or anything. What should we use? And his idea was, how about the day where we set up the NHS?

Our defining existence of the country is we have a public health care system. And then, yeah, their pension system. Everything revolves around this. It's very, it truly is, it's anti-achievement, it's anti-greatness. It's very much a, I want to maximize the amount I can sponge off of the government. You sound like you're just like very pro-social murder by capitalist. Perhaps. Pigs.

I mean, when Britain was doing a lot of social murder, they were achieving a lot of other. things. Social murder. Social murder. Speaking of social murder, though. Talk about that real quick. Maybe, but how do we actually feel? No, definitely, actually.

Because Andrews brought it up. I did. It's crazy. No, I told it's, it's Frederick Ingalls from the 1800s. And Hassan Park, Piker's sitting there. He just read a book for the first time or something. And he starts, you know, waxing poetic with the New York Times who just nods along. Like, oh, social murder. Yeah, Luigi Maggione. Cool. Really sick stuff.

But go ahead. Go ahead. We riffed on it this morning, so it's your turn, Jack. No, I mean, it just goes to show you, right, that these guys, the same way you saw how these guys reacted when Charlie was shot, it's the same way that they're up there talking about how, oh, well, you know, actually this guy deserved it. And I can understand why because he committed social murder. We're talking about it. So Sam Piker was up there justifying the murder of the United Health Care. CEO Brian Thompson because he was saying that the refusal to fund the health care or health needs

of writing people of the service, claims, et cetera, amounted to something called social murder. And because he had committed social murder, again, without any like trial or evidence or anything, it was okay then and justified for Luigi Maggioni to shoot him in the street. and we already know, by the way, and Blake, you might be more up on this than me, but I believe a number of the charges have been dropped from Luigi Maggioni, right? I haven't followed it.

Well, they can't get a death penalty on him anymore. Yeah, I don't know if they dropped charges. Yeah, it just can't be death penalty federal or state, so. Right, which is, I mean, it's crazy. They're already, like, losing multiple levels of charges on this guy because he, again, did this in a blue district, and the blue judges are just totally okay with it. And they've got a ton of supporters running around.

And remember, they were selling the Luigi merchandise. There was a Luigi musical, which I believe debuted in San Francisco. And Taylor Wrens talked about how he was dreamy and she was in his fan club and all the rest of this. And so it just remains to be seen. These Bolsheviks will kill us all. They are very happy about it. That's why I've talked about, you know, oh, the infighting. oh everyone wants to play this infighting game and it's like no these guys literally want to kill us

they um you know they already murdered the guy used to co-host this show and they will go to the new york times and talk about social murder and how it was a good thing and they'll keep going they will keep going and they will not stop going until they've been stopped to see yeah and and it comes from angles who was the collaborator for carl marks so that's just as son piker saying yeah i'm a communist. And by the way, the communist killed, you know, over 100 million people in the 20th century doing stuff like this. So, yeah, if we need any, it needed anything else to show that he was the communist. Totally. They will rationalize any type of like violence if they think it's, you know, if they've got a moral framework upon which, you know, however shaky or feeble or dumb,

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Check it out right now. All right. Tattoos. Oh, boy. Because I looked at Russ. I was a sudden Russ got into talk and I was like, he's getting the shakes because he's got, we have to get it.

So this is all prompted. There's been a, there's a secondary. So this all, this all blew up because there's a background news story. Pete Davidson, who I'm told is a famous person. He's younger than me.

He is a comedian who, who dates hot women is he funny? He's a comedian He's an S&L A lot of people are comedians though No so here's the thing I remember having the same exact conversation

With my wife and a bunch of her friends And they do not think he's attractive to be fair But their whole thing was He's got a thing He's got something That's fair I guess That's the that's anyway Pete Davidson is a

Comedian Just like Dave Smith I guess and then anyway So he's a comedian and he had a gazillion tattoos over 200, I believe. But recently he has been getting them all lasered off to the extent it's possible. It's pretty tough to fully remove stuff to the extent he has. He's not 100% anti-tattoo. He actually has a tattoo along his ear.

That's his daughter's name. He also still has chest tattoos that are for his dad. Yeah. But he's pretty radically cut them back. It looks like he maybe got rid of his notorious RBG tattoo that he has seen. to have I'm seeing in this picture. You got a Ruth Bader Ginsburg tattoo. They're all disappearing.

And so this prompted a bigger debate, which is, are the tattoos bad or not? Should people be getting them? All right, but there's so many good tattoos. Russ before tattoos, 36. I don't know why I put myself under this. I don't know why I did this. I don't know why I did this. I have 20.

You have 20. All right. So that's Russ before. That's me. That's me. Go to that other one. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's you? Yes. So that's 2017 me. That's, uh, Yeah. So I am. Waring a Hollister shirt. 21,

22. Dude. Okay. So hilariously enough about this. This was my like beanie stage where I used to like have it on the back of my head to keep like my hair up. And that was also when I, can you guys?

Can you guys? So we just see Russ now and that picture. Can we, can we do it side by side? Do that? Holy cow. Russ. Cause I've never seen your.

in. I need to flow it. Yeah. No, no, I got to, can we use like enlarge it?

Yeah, side to side. The, the podcast is going to really miss out on this. We recommend. Yeah, I'm sorry, podcast.

This is like, you just got to watch it. Oh, gosh. Don't look at me. Yeah, I don't know why. I think we've,

we've messed up the, the studio. Russ is, yeah, so this was all before. So, hilariously enough, uh,

when I got into college, I started trying to grow facial hair. the only thing I could grow was a goatee. So for like, Yeah, so for like four years, all I had was a goatee. You got to teach Blake how to do that. And then that's when I started growing out the hair. I started growing out the beard.

I mean, you're a good looking good looking. And then I started, I started adding tattoos. Actually, the first tattoo I got was right after I graduated high school. Okay. There it is. There it is. Look straight ahead. Russ, make that face.

Oh, yeah. That's my normal smile. What was the first tattoo? It was on my wrist. I've covered it up since then, but it said relax. Oh. So are you, are you anti-relaxing now?

No, it was mainly because my parents used it against me. But you only have 20? So this is, I only have 20. I feel like we're getting a message here, which is you got a tattoo that you later came to regret. How do you count your head? You got like multiple

letters. Yeah. You consider those as one. So I consider them. I consider them. I consider them. As like, so I have live free, died well. I count live free. And I count the words as one tattoo.

All right. And then don't go gentle. And then I got more hands. I just finished this hand finally. The hands got to hurt though because the bones are tight close. Honestly, the thing that hurt the most was getting closer to the palm. Oh, interesting. That's what hurt.

There's one of our staff that had a tattoo on the rib cage. rib cage is supposed to hurt I asked I said that a lot now I said did you do you regret that one and the answer was yes because the rib cage it hurt so was that a girl I would rather just yeah I mean yeah yes

we don't need to go decent to the but so as first of all the number of people with tattoos has gone up we're getting very close to the point where a majority of people under 40 are going to have a tattoo the majority of women under 40 already have one

In fact, it's like 56% for women under 30 have at least one tattoos. So you are now actually the rebel if you don't have one. But hold on. This is kind of like... Is the Greerhead pledge? No, but... And by the way, I have zero tattoos. But I will tell you that some girls have...

I guess you would say more tasteful, right? And apologies to anybody in the audience that has this. But like where I get kind of like... It's the tattoos like on the back of the calf, like a huge one on the back of a calf or on the thigh. I can explain what Andrew's getting at is that girls don't know how to get tattoos and girls always have like bad tattoos. It looks like when you have like a toddler with a little stamp toy and it's just like blip, blip, flip, flip, flip, flip, flip, like all over the place.

There's a style. That's kind of called a style. Like subtle thoughtful. And those girls of tattoos just look like that with a toddler with the baby stamp, but just like stamping all over in random places that don't look aesthetic and it looks terrible. Yeah, it's definitely placement is a big is a key thing.

You know what's interesting is that the tramp stamp became a thing but there must have been a time before the tramp stamp became like a cliche cultural thing where dudes were getting him

in the small of their backs too. There's some dudes walking around with tramp stamps there's got to be because Andrew always checks before he goes out. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I'm so I'm just

my point of view so let's remind people what the Greerhead pledge was because we debated this. What is the Greerhead Pudge? We did this with Charlie almost three years ago now. The Greer pledge is from a guy, Scott Greer. He's a blogger on Substack writer.

He's in some other magazines. I think he gets, he's in the American conservative sometimes. But he calls it the Greerhead Pledge, because his fans are called Greerheads. And it's four things to sort of fight against the cultural and aesthetic decay of America. The third worlding of America. And the four planks of it are, you take it as a pledge. So I will not smoke wheat.

I will not watch a Marvel movie I will not listen to rap music and then this is the newest point because it used to be I will not watch the NFL I believe but that was a little too extreme and he said that the NFL did have good aspects like there's bad stuff in the NFL but it's not it's not a huge corrupt influence

so he replaced it with I will not get a tattoo and he has a pretty good argument for it which is basically that tattoos are spreading beyond the traditional groups and beyond the acceptable parts of the body. Once upon a time, only bikers and ex-cons had tattoos.

Now you see them on baristas and on sales managers. It used to be only men got tattoos. Now a majority of women under 40 have tats. People used to cover up their tattoos when they were out in public and only prison gang members would show off full body tats all over the place. Now you see face, neck tattoos all over the place out in the street. And tattoos, this is Scott's writing this. tattoos have turned into an epidemic of ugliness.

Publicly visible tattoos symbolize the vulgarization that is eating away at our civilization. And they tarnish the appearance of a person bearing one. And that is why the pledge is, I will not get a tattoo. Russ, your response. I guess I'm responsible for the degradation of society. The vulgarization. He says, imagine a world without weed, without rap, without Marvel movies,

and without tattoos. It's the world we want and taking a step towards that world begins at the individual. It's true. I do actually believe in that last sentence but then I know people like Russ and I'm like,

well, it's all right that he has him. I mean, that's how I feel because I have a personal, I'm not anti-Russ, but I think, I think Russ,

I think you would be better without tattoos. I'm just going to be friends. So actually, one of the reasons, actually, that I've wanted tattoos since I saw tattoos.

Since the first, I don't even remember the first movie that I watched that had somebody with a tattoo, but I remember being young and wanting tattoos. And it was funny. And when I finally did get the eagle and then the, this heart, it was one of those, it was one. That's like a, that's like a human heart pumping. Yes. It's not like for the, it has. It has, so I've got, I got, I got Arrigorn. I got Narsal Q. they don't know Lord of the Rings Lord of the Rings

So I got Yeah there it is So I got Narsel Through the sword And there's a Locked There's a keyhole And it actually

It just kind of describes A lot of my personal journey A lot of Most of my tattoos Especially on this arm Um Are kind of my Value set almost

or something. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's kind of where, where my journey has led. And it's also, um, I mean, this clock is Matthew, uh, talks about, uh, the sparrows when, um, Jesus is like, look at the sparrows. I take care of them. Yeah. You, they, they have nothing to worry. And that's, uh, having, being somebody who's had anxiety and that kind of stuff, that was, that was a very big scripture for me. All right. Well, Jack, do you judge people with tattoos? Are you a career ahead when it comes to the pledge? I don't judge people.

You're a Navy guy, so you can't do this. As much as I used to. Yeah, I think I'm the only guy who's ever gone through the Navy without having a drink or getting a tattoo. So I've definitely seen a lot of it. I mean, yeah, again, like sailors, bikers, like this is, that that was kind of like what tattoos were for in the past. You know, I'm generally, I'm generally of the view, though, that like, it's, I mean, I just don't think they're aesthetic, right? I never have. I think, you know, why do you put a bumper sticker on a Ferrari?

You know what I'm saying? Like, like, if you want to, you want to. Are you the Ferrari in this instance? So, wait. No, it's just true. Like, if you see, here's what I'm going to say here. Hold on right. All right.

I see my beautiful wife. I see Tanya T. And I, and I think she's absolutely gorgeous. She's perfect. And I think, like, what would a tattoo do to that appearance? And it's like, it would ruin it for me because it's like, she looks gorgeous. I will say, like, when you want, there are, you know, there are models and such who have tattoos. But when they want them to look maximally hot, they are airbrushing out those tattoos.

Yeah, every time. What about Pete Hegseth? Yes. Yes. Yes. Base. 37. Yes.

It's just photos. I'll make a little weird one. Well, because he's got the chest. Well, his face is weird in that too. I'll be frank. I don't like it. I think I will put it this way. There's a reason there's never been a U.S. president with a visible tattoo.

There's a reason there's never been a king of England with a visible tattoo. Blake, would you rather have a girl who's been with 10 guys or has 10 tattoos? Well, I think there's going to be a correlation there. But no. It's the same girl. No. No. No.

It's well known at that court. I'll be frank. This is a big reason, like a big reason guys will like kind of like tattoos is the perception is that a woman who gets tattoos is easier. That is the perception. 100%. Okay, but go with his hypothetical. I mean, he's making a fairly good point.

10 tattoos, zero men, 10 men, zero tattoos. You got to pick one of the other. I mean, probably the zero men one. But again, in real life, they correlate. And also, and the point is, is they both. they both lower attractiveness, which is why we're making the comparison. That is true. That is true.

I think. I also would notice, I also note that, uh, that, uh, it's kind of, kind of interesting how, you know, when it comes to, you know, when it comes to iconography, when it comes to tattoos, suddenly everybody loves the Catholic iconography when they want to get tattoos. I mean, fair, but I'm also, I like, I like the crusades. What would process? The famously Catholic crusades. Yes. Yeah. I know they're Catholic.

Someone gets, yeah, get all 95 pieces. I'm just saying. Like all the base, all the base, like St. Michael the Archangel. Yeah,

because it's based, it's also based in history. I will just know, there is, there is an explicit in the Bible saying don't get tattooed. It is. It's good art.

Like that's, that gets back to the point of like, one of the greatest things that, that the Catholic, Catholic Church produced throughout the metal ages was the iconography and the art. And that's where we gained as a society. We gained a lot of our value. So are you trying to tell me that the Protestants couldn't have done the Sistine Chapel? Actually, as a Protestant, I agree. I don't think they

could. Where is the Protestant Sistine Chapel? I don't think they could. Where is the Catholic Sistine Chapel since the Sistine Chapel? But that's fine too. You're Sagrada Familia. It's right there in Rome. There's a lot of. All I'm saying is Barcelona. If Catholic churches can have iconography and can have art on the ceilings, I can have art and an iconography on my body. Okay, go to the Bible verse. All right. Let's get it. We've got, let's see, what is it?

Bible tattoos. Isn't it like Orthodox Jewish cemeteries? It's Leviticus 1928. Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourself. I am the Lord. Wait, hold on. What is the first part? Do not cut your bodies for the dead.

I think that would be maybe a method of mourning. It's like you'd make yourself bleed. But it says that or put tattoo marks upon yourself. It doesn't say just do the former. It doesn't say that end. It says don't do that or. So it's saying don't get tattoos of the dead or is it saying don't get tattoos at all? It just says, do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves.

And at the least, I will note, Orthodox Jews, known for their pretty rigid adherence to these Old Testament laws, do not allow tattoos. I think you can't even be buried in a Jewish cemetery if you have them. Orthodox Jews also don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Did you know, Isaiah 44, 5? That's true. They do not. Says, one will say, I am the lords, and another will write even brand or tattoo upon his hand. I am the Lord.

Let's see. the thing about Isaiah 49 It says God has a picture of you tattooed on the palm of his hand The thing about Leviticus is that it doesn't say that God's not allowed to tattoo It says you are going to God God's law to do where he wants Yeah God can do a lot of things

God can say he's God You can't say you're God So but we're talking about if this was ceremonial Laws there are different categories of laws Some Oh here we go Oh yeah This is getting deep into the biblical exegesis

I'm just just saying there are categories some are legal some are spiritual some are ceremonial some are have to do with civil governance right so depending on the type of law that we're talking about they may or may not have a application to Matthew Matthew 517 says do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets I have not come to abolish them I have come to fulfill them so Jesus is the fulfillment of old testament law which amen covenantal theology baby, which then negates the need for the Levitical laws and being that they were ceremonial, being also that if we look back at the time period of the Israelites, they were dealing with a

nation of the Canaanites that was extremely pagan. And so they were doing blood sacrifices. They were doing blood rituals. Yeah, overtly pagan. They were overtly pagan. And so that obviously God was writing a law to the Israelites who had just come out of Egypt, who didn't have a set framework. Because again, this is a body of people that just spent how many centuries being slaves and being under the oppression of the Egyptians. So they come out of that.

They don't have any idea or any ideology of what their... Guys, society is supposed to be... I'm checking the whole chapter from Leviticus that the tattoo line comes from. And I feel like the immediate follow-up verse right after the do not put tattoo marks on yourselves might be related. It says, do not degrade your daughter

by making her a prostitute or the land will turn to prostitution and be filled with wickedness. This is what Gurr was trying to get at, but he just didn't say it succinctly. Observe my Sabbaths and have reverence for my sanctuary. I am the Lord. You know what? You know what? Speaking of Egypt, though, that actually reminds me something that one of one cool group that does have tattoos is the Coptic Christians in Egypt. So Coptic Christians particularly, I think when they're kind of young, I don't know, I don't know how old exactly, but they will get a cross tattooed right on the inside.

And they all have it. And even though they live in Muslim areas where the Muslims have been like, I mean, as you can imagine, just horrific in terms of persecution and slaughter. of the Christians that copped the Christians in Egypt and across the Middle East will get that cross tattoo. So I'm like, can't be against that. Like, that's pretty based. Well, I mean, listen, I'll just say, I don't have a moral obligation for it because I do think it was a ceremonial law that I would put, I would chalk that tattoo thing up to. I don't think it's a moral law. And I would say that there is, you need to guard against legalism. I don't like tattoos personally in most situations because I find them to be aesthetically displeasing. When I meet Russ, who's sort of like the whole MO fits,

it like doesn't, I have zero problem with it. I can tolerate them. I don't, I find it fun to bring that up, but I don't know if I would consider it immoral necessarily. But my main thing is, yeah, I kind of go with Scott's sense that I think it's generally ugly to have tattoos everywhere. I think a lot of people end up getting tattoos they regret. I think they get tattoos that age badly.

I think it goes, I think, in general, I think women are just. more attractive without tattoos. And so to the extent it's good to be attractive. It's good to be beautiful. I want to know what the chat says. Does the chat like tattoos? It's divided. It is very divided.

It is very divided. What I will say, can I tell your story about, about real quick, just on Tanya Taney again. So I, like having no tattoos was a big, like that was like a hard no for me.

With, you know, back when I was single. And it was like, it was like no tats, no smoking. And like, I was okay with like I didn't drink but I didn't I was like okay with a little bit of drinking and

But you know, I prefer a non-drinker, but I was like you know like just in today's day and age you can't you know you can't get everything right? So Even though I did. So when I first met Tanya it was winter and so you know like you're wearing like long clothes and everything and So you didn't it was January. So I didn't know if she had any tats anywhere. So this was back. This is what 11 years ago now, January of 2015. So I'm like digging through her Facebook looking for like, okay, like let's go on a tattoo hunt. Let's check it out. Let's see. Do we have any tattoo over here, over here, over here, over here?

And then there was this one picture that she had like on her leg and on our calf. She had one of those big like, I think it was like a jaguar, like one of those jaguar things. And but I couldn't tell if it was one of the like a real tattoo or one of those like henna tattoos. What's a jaguar thing? So it's still winter. Okay. You know, like, or like a panther, you know what I mean? Like, it's that very common symbol that you always see where it's like the heads at the bottom and the tails going up.

Oh, like the full body. Yeah, the full body. Yeah. Yeah. So I think like it's second or third date after I see this. I'm just sitting there. I'm like, so, you know, I was thinking about getting a tattoo. What about you?

Do you have any of those? Do you have any of those tattoos? Subtle, Jack. I know, right? And then, and then she's like, oh, no. I don't have one. I was like, really? You never, like, got one on your leg?

Like, maybe, maybe like when you're at the beach or something? No, no, no. And she goes, oh, yeah. Well, I know one time that I was down at the shore and she got, that's what we say in Philly. And she said, I got one of those Hanna tattoos inside. I'm like, yes, yes, just Hena. Will you marry me? But yeah, she had had a tattoo.

I would have stopped talking to her. Here's what I will say. Just straight up. Yeah. Okay. Here's what I will say about. I respect that. Having tattoos and about my kind of journey through getting tattoos, one, I think you need to have, your brain needs to be fully developed.

You were 21 when you get through. Yeah. True. But I had thought about tattoos a lot. So here's the thing. Before your brain was developed. Yeah. Before your brain was developed.

I mean heroin addicts think about heroin a lot. So I got a tattoo. I got one tattoo. My parents were like, hey, any more. and you're cut off. They were like, we're, like while you're in college,

anything, anything, you're cut off. I said, okay, sounds good. I didn't get any tattoos through college.

And then when I got out of college, because I was on my own, I was making my own money, I was doing my own stuff, I started getting tattoos. So I had planned out, like I planned out all this, this sleeve throughout all of college.

And then also then, systematically as I started getting tattoos, I started to make sure that that was something I wanted to get. And so then that's when I continued to do it. So I didn't get tattoos because I graduated in 2020. So I didn't get tattoos until 2020. I mean, this is all really well and good, Russ, but. And I'm getting more. Sounds like a whole bunch of cope. No, I'm just kidding. I like that's what you just have, wait, are your tattoos just arms or do you have like chest back any of that oh i've got i've got two yeah yeah yeah yeah not this one on my neck i got one behind my ear i've got the arms i have uh one on my chest and then i have another full sleeve planned

and a back piece oh you're gonna get the are you going to get the full sleeve yes yeah that it's where it's one like like machine gun kelly 41 oh gosh oh no i'm not blacking out i'm not i'm not doing black out work that's for dang sure that's so my my my brother um so he was covered in tattoos and then on top of it yeah did the black work yeah yeah so my brother's got two tattoos on his back uh one that he got in philly and then the other one kind of interesting he got done in jerusalem when we were there and they have this place where you go and it's basically they say that they have all of these um you know uh like tracings of tattoos that they claim are from like thousands oh yes the jerusalem

place. I want to go there. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a famous place. We're good at the top of my head. And, and he got basically a crusader tattoo on his back in Jerusalem in the same place that supposedly, again, like caveat, caveat, etc. You know, that a lot of the actual crusaders got tattoos. Well, that's called Rizuk tattoo. That's really cool and all, but it's not as cool as this back tattoo. Sop 40. It's so funny. It's so good. It's so. Good. This just gets that as admirable as that is. You're going to go back to the grim pledge. It's still going to age badly. And I'm going to end with a piece of honest advice.

I would just note, for any ladies out there who are listening, all five of you, in a survey, I believe it was from Britain. I think 37% of men said their number one turnoff from women was tattoos. And I 100% believe that. I think. My turnoffs, yeah, again, tattoos, smoking, and drinking. Just not into it. Yeah. me and my wife we don't have any so what can I say

I didn't do it out of like I didn't not get a tattoo out of some sort of you know value set really it was just sort of I think it was just an instinct but I'm glad I have the Greer pledge now to structure and you know what at the end of the day one of my biggest supporters every time I get a tattoo is Erica so well

I will say I'm just saying Charlie had no tattoos Charlie had no he was a bit of a tattoo bash I think there is like She also understands who Like how I how I am

So there's also There's also sort of like There's kind of a thing where If you're going to be a person That has a tattoo and you're a good guy like you I'm not going to give you a hard time about it But I think is a There's the micro and the macro

Right like The macro is we have We have preferences on the macro It's also personality base for sure I also don't want to see the degradation of culture And it is kind of I think it's job You go to like the DMV

go to Disneyland where everybody's wearing like shorts. You got see all those like parents that should know better with all their kids and they got tattoos all and that. I think that's what gets out. No, I think it's gotten out of control. Totally out of control. When people say like a certain tattoo is classic,

they usually just mean it's less visible. And I think that's getting at the truth of it in most cases, which is they don't look great for the most part. Well, these things probably do go in trends though, right? They do. Which is also, that's enough. I mean, that's definitely especially a reason, I'll be frank, women should avoid them. Is there more vulnerable to fads and trends? And it's a way of crystallizing and making largely indelible a trend you will

you will probably think is lamentable. We had one of our comments in the live chat say, apparently in 2016, every other chick was getting an Ohana tattoo because Ohana means family. In what language? Hawaiian, Disney. Hawaiian, I believe. It's in Lilo and Stitch.

I think it's in Lilo and Stitch. Was it like a, yeah, okay. Moana, the movie came in. Yeah, you get all these things that are just a very transient fad, except now they're emblazoned on your body for all time, and you'll be explaining them to people when you're 76 years old and going into a nursing home. To be fair, when I started looking at tattoos, I was looking at like, like, old, like bikers in the 70s. I was looking at, you know, all of that kind of stuff. So that's where the thought process comes. You pass. You're fine. We accept you for.

for who you are. It's great. Uh, Jack, we just accept you more. We would, we would we would just like you more if you were. Wait. So wait, last, uh, I'm trying to think of any of these I think Tom Hardy. Yeah. I feel like he would have. He's a guy that I. Yes, sir. I don't know. Yes, sir. Not into it. No, not feeling it. But I did just watch. Hold on. I just watched a mob land with Tom Hardy. Oh, so good. Pretty hardcore films. So it's not for young people. Tom Hardy is hardcore.

Or he plays hardcore characters. That's for sure. All right, Jack, take us away, my friend. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crime. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.