The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 127 — Obama, The Musical? Romance Novels? Instagram Moms?

Episode Date: May 16, 2026

A Thoughtcrime full house confront the top matters of the moment, including:   -Should we all road-trip to D.C. to see the Obama musical? -What's behind a very notable pattern in the romance novel market?  -Instagram delenda est?   Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It really made me nostalgic for a time when, I don't know, politics meant something beautiful. And I really miss you, Obama, but come see the show and you'll recapture that spirit. On that note, it's Thought Crime Thursday. Gosh, it's just so catchy when I hear the Obama musical music guy. Who set this up? Who else is on the show here today? What's going on here? Jack, we've got five people.

We can put on an Obama musical ourselves. Love how Cliff is just front and center. Look at him. Actually, we have... You are the key stuff. This is not a jacket. This is actually Lynn Manuel Miranda. No, it's not a jacket.

This is a Citizens, just for the record. I did not wear a jacket, a formal jacket. Is that a pullover? Citizens Line's pullover. It is not a jacket. It doesn't open all the way. It's just like a quarter zip. It's a quarter zip.

It's a quarter of it looks very cheap. I guess you have a quarter zip, huh? It looks very thin. It doesn't. not look like it's protecting him at all. We did not waste donor money. We need to get some advice from Turning Point where you guys get your merch. It's America. All the marriages is this is American

Obama's got lots of money. It's all China. Tyler only does his shopping in China. But we should explain that. So that intro was 44 of the musical. It's actually existed for a little while, but it's on, it's being performed in D.C. for another 10 days, I believe. So if you live in that area, you could go see it. And it's sort of strange to say this. I wish I was in D.C. I would totally go see this. You would not see it. You wouldn't see the Obama musical?

I would have PTSD from it. But that's what the thing about it. It's got to be ridiculous. Yeah, but they call it bipartisan fun. No, no, there's nothing bipartisan fun about that. It is apparently, the theme is apparently the

Obama administration as remembered by Joe Biden. So it kind of leans in. So it leans in Biden having foggy memory. And so he... Oh, that has actually kind of fun. But then you heard those like testimonials. Like, we forgot how good we had it.

And we missed the spirit of 44. And I'm back in the good old days. I'm like, good old days. The guy who literally wokeified the country single-handedly. I don't know. Jack, you're in D.C. area. You're going to see it? I'm not going to see it.

But I am going to point out that once again, the left shows. that they champion their heroes. The left goes and makes musicals. They go and make, I mean, this is obviously cringe, but they're willing to go and actually put on musicals, put on shows. They just did one about Luigi, which I believe started in San Francisco.

It's coming to Broadway. So they go in and they use media in a cultural way that actually promotes their values to future generations. And so this is something that the right, we just don't do. don't use the power of story. We don't use the power of culture, with the exception, obviously, of the turning point halftime show, the All-American halftime show. It's like the one time the right actually tried to do this. Well, but see, we have a disagreement on this, Jack, and I think

Russ has my back here. You got, you got neocon thrillers up the yin-yang. You got, was it, Jack Ryan? You've got, I mean, you could make an argument. Neocons are actually liberals. Tom Cruise You know Mission Impossible Maybe Mission Impossible I'm thinking more like Top Gun That felt very patriotic

That felt cultural I suppose Top Gun 2 is definitely Neocon Yeah it's all Neocon though It's all like America You know

I don't know that I wouldn't say it's like Neocon's They're doing They're doing an airstrike on somewhere That's so vague We do air strikes In a lot of places

It was Rush out right It's definitely Iran in Top Gun 2, it's 100% Iran. Yeah, okay, okay. I'm misremembered. I don't know. No, Blake is right. They don't say it, but like, if you just watch the film and you kind of like put the pieces together, like, they're clearly talking about Iran.

We have some B-roll of this from this Obama musical, number three. Can you just throw up some of the stills? Here we go. Oh, gosh, there's Hillary Rodham. Basically, you know, Jack, to your point, though, you often make the observable. that the left is basically run by a bunch of former theater kids. So this feels very apt. Well, in this case, it's not former.

Yeah, look at that. Was that the monkey pox guy? It's funny you should bring up theater, actually, every time. I don't know. I don't even know what to think of this. I just discovered that Cliff Maloney is actually a full-time theater professional. Oh, are we doing this? Are we outing Cliff?

Hold on. Hold on. This is new to me. I have a degree in theater arts. Do you do this between theater, like amateur theater on the side or pro theater on the side? I haven't done a show since 2021. Listen, there's a lot of testes involved with libertarian. I was a teen angel in Greece in 2021. Played Gaston and Beating the Beast.

Glenn Gullia. Naturally. In the wedding singer. He is the love justa. Rude. Do you still have the Gaston song memorized? Julia Gulia. Yes.

Thank you. I knew somebody would. Get it. Exactly. Julia Bully is a fiancé. You and James O'Kee, holding it down for the theater kids on the right. No, hold on. Give us like a guest stone. No one, something's like a guest stone. I'm retired at this point. Who else in conservative circles does theater? I don't know. It's James and you.

Rob Schneider. I mean, we have a little like actors. What's your dream role? What's your dream role? I played Billy Flynn in Chicago And that was like It was just a really cool role It's like the leading male But the male is not the lead It's the two women obviously

But he's the lawyer right Yeah yeah But it was just you know Every song it's like Razzle dazzle them You're kind of yeah You're kind of doing your own thing Are you doing musicals

Yeah There's some good low quality videos online You can find Really? Oh yeah Guys find these videos I'll just get those hunted down Would you

What role would you want I'll throw something now to get your back here. To hold your back here. And obviously Rick Rinell was running the Kennedy Center for the first year. But also someone who's a huge fan of Broadway that on the right is not someone who's in Broadway, but someone who is a huge fan, probably his favorite music genre is President Donald J. Trump. And a lot of people don't know this.

But if you spend time around him, he's listening to fan of the opera soundtrack on repeat. We were hearing that so much at one point that I actually had to sit Tanya Tay down and show her the movie because she wasn't familiar with it. And, you know, I think it closed on Broadway after, funny enough, actually something that is going to come up in a later topic because they did a sort of woke DEI casting of Christine, even though it's supposed to be a, you know, set in what 18th century France or something. and you know at this at this opera house and president trump loves broadway he just a huge Broadway fan he obviously was going to the kennedy center a ton when uh when it was still in full operation last i heard there um it looks like july fourth is going to be the final uh you know like final hurrah as after they close it down for you know projected two years of maintenance but but it's something that president trump really actually just enjoys he's a new yorker he's always loved broadway he was at the

the Broadway opening of Phantom with Andrew Lloyd Weber. It's something that he talked about, has talked about a number of times. And it's just something that's funny that, like, I think a lot of people don't know about the president. Okay, quick, on the spot, favorite musical. Come back to me. Hades Town. Hades Town. I've never heard of that one.

Tyler. Is that actually good? I keep seeing stuff like stuff for that. Yeah. I mean, there's one problem in it. There's an archetype that is pretty much Trump. And they sing a whole song about knocking down. wall but aside from that you look past it the music's fantastic okay all right Tyler uh I don't

know I I have a special place in my heart for Le Miz I was gonna say lay Miz I actually I was also gonna say Lais I really hate everything French but for some reason it doesn't feel French it's one of the most French things ever created it's literally was originally in French it's like the most French thing ever it was written in French I I understand all of that I'm just saying when I watch it in English, it doesn't make me feel, it makes me feel like the, the liberty elements of Les Mis, I appreciate. Yeah. And also, and also the analogies with, with Christ and everything else. I think that's, I love Lay Miss. It's a truly Christian musical. Jack, what's your favorite? It's, no, I was okay, I love, I love Les Mis. You know, most of my life,

I would have said Phantom. You know, I might, I might give a slight, edge to Les now, but traditionally I would say Phantom. Let me stir the pot a little bit. I think the funniest show is Book of Mormon.

Book of Mormon is very fun. Do you know they've read this? They messed it up. How? In 2020, they changed the book of Mormon because of George Floyd and the Wokel moment. So they edited the jokes.

Like, if you see the show, there's a joke where like, oh, did you get my text? And they're literally writing it on a typewriter. Like, ha, ha, that's what a text would be for them because they're in Uganda

and they're poor. And they changed it. They just actually have smartphones and they send it. And the joke is like, oh, you dumb American think we don't have smartphones in Uganda. Yeah, it's very stupid. They did a few changes like that. Yeah, they messed it up badly. Yeah, I always thought it was really funny.

I think we've talked about it on here before. And just clip, just you know, Blake has pretty much every word of Book of Mormon memorized verbatim off the top of the said. I do. And Tyler, I always have to say, I've always appreciated the way that the LDS Church responded to Book of Mormon was to like. use it as a promotional vehicle and be like they be like hey you like the musical you'll love the book and they could just they also they also screwed that up too though it was at first they embraced it the right way which is that way which is the same way that charlie embraced yeah yeah that's what i remember uh and then since then though now it's become like they don't embrace it now they now they reject it

i embrace it this doesn't count but i embrace it i actually think it's great i think it's fun i don't think it's that offensive and i actually really like the the producers of the content and anyways I just do you think that that opinion is widely held within the Mormon community are you the

are you the exception not the rule I don't think I actually don't think many most Mormons are bothered by it at all I don't think they like even My favorite

I just remember it's not a musical though but it was the Count of Monte Cristo Count of Monte Cristo Count of Monte Cristo Count of Monte Cristo A play version of it Yeah

They've done it as the play but I fell in love with the one of Jim Cavisa For kids, I'm a big fan. I've seen a few times with my kids. Matilda. Matilda on Broadway. Oh, is that good?

My kids are actually super into Matilda right now. It's great. The Broadway version of Matilda is like, I think, one of the best things you can take your kids to. I love that book. I must have read that book like a hundred times when I was a kid. And they did a re, a new version of it on Netflix a few years ago that was based around the musical, like the actual Broadway. It's sort of related. sort of related.

I saw one of the comments that they're still waiting for my review of animal farm. I have not seen it. Did you do this last week? Yeah, I did. It was really terrible. It was catastrophicly bad, unfortunately.

I don't blame, obviously, I don't blame Angel Studios for that. I blame Gallum for that. Well, Angel Studios just did the distribution. They didn't actually do it. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

But the Guild had to approve it. So I don't know what the guilds. Hey, even the Angel Guild will get it wrong from time. Yeah, they just do. We're not better about it, but it was devastating. Yeah. I think someone was saying that they approved it because they wanted to do an animal farm movie. And they're like, oh, yeah, animal farm would be great.

But then they didn't realize that it was like the liberal animal farm thing. I blame Seth Rogen. So we talk about Helen and Troy? Can we talk about that? Oh, I mean, I know that's up top. But we're not kind of on topic. We probably could. I mean, it involves.

I mean, what else can we add that hasn't already been said? A picture's worth a thousand words. I saw this AI with the, wait, what's the, the trans actor. Ellen Page. Ellen Page. Ellen Page. You know that famous scene where Brad Pitt is like running after and he like dodges

the spear and then he dodges the next spear and then he like stab him to the back. Well, they did some AI version with Elm Page and it's just like starts running kind of like weekly. It's running down. And then just gets. And then just the first hair just takes her out. Actually, I think I could probably find that. The funny thing. The funny thing is it's not, even though the rumor is that Ellen, Elliot Page is going to be Achilles, that's not confirmed.

That's just a rumor. Unlike Helen of Troy being black is unfortunately confirmed. But there actually is a trans character in the Odyssey. Did you know that? No. So the sage Tyresius is a fortune teller and Apollo gets mad at him and punishes him by turning him into a woman. and so it would make sense to actually show that character as androgynous in some way there's a notably a Odysseus runs into Tyresius I believe in the underworld and um asks him a rather like PG-13 question he basically asked never mind I can't say it look it up go read the Odyssey folks you have to go read the Odyssey I found it there it is

Russ says he's pulling it but it's worth it's worth sharing but um do you guys subscribe to the idea yet wait while we're on the topic Nolan's doing this for an Oscar I don't think so I think so I think he is I think he is but also

just in general I think that Christopher Nolan is vastly overrated I just thought that for a long time I mean since what did you do that was good he did Batman the Dark Night was good which came out almost 20 years ago no Batman Begins was good Batman Begins the Dark Night was perfectly good

Dark Night was a good movie the Dark Night was good I was so upset by the dark night that I actually uploaded the entire movie into Final Cut Pro and made my own edit of it. I called mine the darker night. Sounds overtly pegged to me. Sounds like you want to recast it. All right, here we go. Interstellar is incredible. We're going to do the, we have that Ellen Page video. Let's let him show it. No, interstellar is great. Okay, play the Ellen Page video. Love will win. Oh, does it not have a sound? that's okay this is the AI this is all AI yes

but like I mean I think they're borrowing heavily from the from the actual film here it's this hell of page it's somewhat mangled as an AI and yeah you can see they that's all that's it directed by Michael Bay

oh yeah because the original version had like a great music playing but anyway so there it is oh and then we have we okay apparently do we have it do we have

that one clip, Russ, of Chicago? Wait, let's, hang on one second while we're on this. Memento is good, Jack. Memento is good. The prestige.

Inception is good. Inception's a great movie. Inception is only good on the first watch. It doesn't actually hold up after the first watch. Once every 10 years, it resets. I mean, most movies I'm only going to see once.

Most movies are only going to see once anyway. You forget, you forget, I forgot everything in it and then I watched it again, just like not that long. Yeah, if you're someone who has a memory, then no, it doesn't, it doesn't work. We got a, we got a, we got a, that was the first movie I watched at the boot camp. Dylan's a regular. He's here every week. Dylan says, I hated Dunkirk. What's that?

I hated Dunkirk. I didn't like Dunkirk. Dunkirk was perfectly good. What are you talking about? Okay. So Jack, you've now, you've now, you've now argued against yourself. You now have argued against yourself. You think that most of Christopher and all and stuff is good.

I said he's overreferral. rated. Which one was which movie was overrated? Yeah. The Interstellar and the Interstellar and the Dark Night like everything that like literally all of America loves both those movies.

Well sometimes people are wrong. Yeah but usually the people. Walmart sells a lot of clothes. So Dylan Ivy says I don't know about going to the musical but I still think y'all should still send Blake to the MetGala next year as an action news reporter.

It would be a lot of. Who are you? Who am I wearing? I mean, I guess I might have to wear Gosh No, that's the question you ask you ask. He's not looking for an answer. He's saying that's what You're going to say to ask like, who are you wearing?

Oh, that's what does that even mean? What brand are you wearing? Oh, who are you wearing? It's all by some designer. Oh, gosh. That sounds ghastly. I'm like a pop culture. Is it 3D print. Andrew knows about this. That's why he's always accidentally. Accidentally wearing a jacket on this show.

Blake with like with like a top line like 20,000 like tucks with no shirt underneath would be really hilarious. Dude, if you're doing the 100 push of challenge, you'd be looking good. And like eye glitter. No socks. In honor of America's 250th birthday, our friends at Alliance Defending Freedom

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Visit join adf.com slash Charlie to sign up to pray today or text pray 250 to 83848. That's pray 250 to 83848 to opt in. All right, guess what, Jack? So I challenge Jack to a hundred push-up challenge. I can't do 100 in one setting. You have to take a break and then I can do 100. Jack and I usually do it with a break. I can do it with a break.

No, I can do it with a break. No, I can do with a break. I'm talking one set all the way through. No, no, no, yeah, let's do it. I'm in. Blake already got started. Yeah, I did. He's got an app.

He's got an app. There's a hundred push-up app. It takes about six weeks, they say. But Blake is starting at week four. Yeah. So how do you work your way up to it? I'll just whip it out here. So it's called, let's get it here.

It's called pushy. And you'll have you'll have you. start it starts off doing like only a handful of sets a day but what you'll do is you'll do like five or six sets in pretty quick succession so i started on week four day one and it went 22 26 21 18 19 31 and you're supposed to wait no more than five minutes between sets when you do them okay i got i got up to 80 and i i gave up so i don't know what's with the random numbers i don't I don't get the random numbers. I don't know.

It's probably science came up with it. Yeah, it's science, Jack. Yeah. Science. Yeah. Science. I don't believe in science. Without further ado, without further ado, we do have Cliffs' Broadway performance here.

It's off Broadway, probably, right? Off, off, off. No, no, it's all on Broadway. Off, off, off Broadway. I had to invent it just for him. All right. It's loaded as 24. Play it.

Mr. Billy Flynn sings a press conference rag. Notice how his mouth never moves. Almost. Where'd you come from? Mississippi. And your parents? Very wealthy. Where are they now?

Six feet under, but she was granted one more start, the conduct of the sacred heart. When'd you get here? 1920. How old were you? Don't remember. Then what happens? I'm Amos, and he stole my heart awake. I got to go to the ending.

The ending is the only good part. You got to play the last one. Find the ending. We'll get it. I think next week. That's great. We should get that suit for you. You should wear that.

Listen, if I don't have that burgundy suit, it is like the box suit. At the end, I'm standing up. You can see it. It is like a pure box. I might contemplate making an exception

to the no jacket rule if you wear that suit on the set. And it's not wearing a suit. It's not wearing a jacket. It's wearing a costume. Cliff, you're actually good. I'm an actor who sings,

not a singer who acts. So I, you know, would push through it. The ending is good, though. If you watch the ending, then I could say, yeah. Think about how many votes you could drive out in the midterms. In Euro. In the Republic of primary. I want to get back a little bit.

I bet I bet in New Hampshire there's a few. Oh, yeah. New Hampshire's prime ground for this. They're cultured up there. The widest parts. That actually gets at something, which I think I want to actually talk a little bit more about the Obama musical, because it's so fitting that Obama is getting a musical in the sense that the Obama, first of all,

musicals are totally like a fancy white liberal thing, a white people thing. And Obama was kind of, he was the last gasp of this sort of white lib dominated America. Like, this is the group that gave us Hamilton. Ironic because he's black. Yeah, of course. But this is totally the sort of thing

that they would get into. The whole, you know, again, They pushed Hamilton everywhere. That was dominating D.C. in the mid-2010s. And you just read the descriptions of these. Apparently, the guy who plays Obama comes on stage and says, I'm mother-effing Obama. It's definitely a way a millennial would do it.

I love these descriptions here. Hillary Clinton is the bitter, scorned woman with a feminist rant titled, My Turn. It's then followed by a performance by a bikini-clad Sarah Palin, titled PG-13 warning, Drill Me Baby. She is joined by fellow villains Mitch McConnell, Ted Cruz,

and various blonde hobots from faux news. The Republicans convene a meeting of Wham, the white hetero-affluent men group where they appoint Herman Kane as a token black member. Lindsay Graham prances about

with a tiny parasol and makes somewhat uncouth comments. And they explain. glued Trump entirely from the story. Wow. They just wanted a breather from Trump. All right, Cliff, we have it. 25.

A lot of pressure here. A lot of pressure. Both reach for the high I have much lower expectations. Thank you. That's pretty good. You got to play the ending. All they give me is the next thing hat dance.

That's great. That's great. We got to get the suit. That's it. like really good you hit that note yeah listen i'm all for bringing back masculinity to the arts the arts are awful because it's run by a bunch of femme nazis and gay people if you could actually insert some freaking masculinity in there and then you got christopher nolan who should be kind of a masculine director and he's botching everything speaking of the arts i know that blake on the next

topic wanted to do some review of deleting, I guess, fiction, but a certain type of fiction. Isn't that right, Blake? Oh, 100% true. 100% true. Do we want to jump into that now? Yeah, let's hit it. All right. So let's get... Oh, 100%, especially the way

we've moved this. Here, let me go grab the original tweet. So this was all prompted by a rather amusing observation. Someone made on unexx. They were going through Amazon. Amazon has some amazingly good detailed

tracking of who is buying their products. And Amazon sells a lot of books. They sell a lot of the only books people buy anymore are romance novels and they have them subdivided into a bunch of categories, including interracial romance. Big genre. That's a category. That's a category. Interracial romance. And someone took the top

100 best-selling interracial romance novels of the past year. And 38 of them are white guy, black, black. woman. 20 of them are white guy, Asian woman. Nineteen of them are white guy with a white woman, but misclassified because they classify an Italian or a Russian as not white. Then they have nine of them are white guy, Latina woman. Four are white guy, Indian woman. Six out of 100. They're both not white. One was gay. One was a, I believe, African American. I think it looks like a,

like Asian man, black woman, and one was Asian man, white female. So hold on. So like white males dominate. I think, I think, I think, I think, I think we need to know what the audience is for this, because this is, this is, I think, the salient point here. I think, well, we don't, I don't think we have that data specifically, but I think we know. Like the white male as, it was in the tweet, the tweet thread. 58, we're at basically 60, 65, 70.

How many are black male? We're like 70. 70. 70. No, we are well over 70. We are, look, it was 38, 20, 19, literally over 90% of them are a white guy with a non-white woman.

And the answer as Jack is getting that is these are consumed overwhelmingly by women. And in general, I'd say consumed by in this case, women of color, black women, Latino women. They all crave. They crave the hairy barbarian Nordic bodies. In their romance.

This is very telling, actually. So this is what we're pulling down from this? The multicultural and based on Amazon bestsellers, wait, wait, pull up the A-I. Where is that AI deal again? I just want to read it. Based on this, the overwhelming market is heavily dominated by BWM Black Women, White Man pairings, particularly within the billionaire mafia and sports romance subgenres. Dark romance and forced proximity are currently.

the top performing tropes. And Blake, the point that they're getting at, I believe, is that the audience for this is not white men, is it? No, it's not. It is the women themselves. And that's why I find this really interesting. I think it's like black women. Black women want to read a romance novel where a white guy falls in love with a black woman. A lot of them do.

I bet there's some white women that read this stuff. Probably. I think they're probably not put off by it because a lot of the women, who read this are woke, so they'll feel righteous as they read this, and then the other groups actively like this. I bet American white women do the misclassified

the Italian-Russian male with a white woman. They might. You are asking? I like this question. I have a question there. I have a question there. What's very interesting about romance novels in general, they have a lot of very specific niche subgenerales that will get tons of entries. I know we've talked in here before how there's a million

hockey romances. Like, just go to Barnes and Noble. You'll send tons of them and they're all hockey specifically. But they'll also do that with types. And so they mentioned there, the billionaire subgenre, the mafia subgenre, the sports subgenre. And yeah, forced proximity. That would be there's tropes where I think two people are fish out of water and you are, you know, very different worlds, and you contrive a reason they're stuck together. So that could be they're in a shipwreck and they're stuck on a desert island. Stuck in an elevator. Yeah, stuck in an elevator. Trapped in a panic room, trapped on an

alien planet. A million different iterations of this, but they'll all follow the same beats of, oh, I like the idea of them being trapped together. Did anybody here

ever date a black woman? Looking at you, Cliff. No? Andrew, something you want to share? I'm going to be fair. I'm going to be very blunt. Most black, it's not me. Most black women hate me.

Oh. I don't know why. In general, did they get a metal or something? What? That hat. I don't know what it is. Do you like, if you like show up I don't know what it is.

Do you show up in their neighborhood? Do they know? I'm not kidding. It's been my whole life. I don't know what it is. I don't know why, but I'm the bothered by me. Black women love me. Most black women, like, yeah, most black women do not find me funny. They do not like me.

They don't think my humor is good. They don't think like my sassiness or whatever. Like, they don't like that. Are you sassy? So I used to, so I used to, have you discovered this through experience or something? Yes. Yes. This is anecdotal.

It's your personal experience. It's personal experience. Like I have many stories. I don't know if I should share them. But like it is true. Were you like at an R&B concert and you were in? No, okay, fine. I'll just share.

Did you go to Boys Dement Show? When I was in college, I worked for a bank. You went to see the Michael Jackson movie and he was thrown out. He asked somebody to be quiet and he got thrown out. When I worked for college, when I was in college, I worked for a bank and we acquired a bank that was largely based in Detroit. Okay. And every single bank manager that I was.

there to support was a black woman and I talked to basically exclusively black women every single day and I was like I'm like I was a really nice person they did not like me at all like did not none of them it was like I was batting zero I would have been good at that job I'm no so in the no but I have friends that like are loved by like yeah one of my best friends is like loved by black women I'll run into black women just like at the store or whatever and they're like I mean get on like like a house on fire. I'm not, it's not, I mean, you need to, if you're in the military government, you'll find that a lot of, like, the administrative HR roles tend to be black women. So if you can't, you know, build a rapport there. If you can't, uh, just have a conversation, then like,

you are not going to be very successful in any of those roles. And what can I say, look, Cliff, you know, coming from the Philly area, like, it's just something you grow up with. Hey, like, on that list, are there any black women Mexican man novels? Uh, I don't think so. It seems like there was... There's Asian male. There's... There's nine white male Latin female.

Sorry. Let's see. Are there any others? Let's see. Authors... Yeah, I don't think... There is, amusingly, there is exactly one... All right.

Black male, white female. There's one. There is one Indian male, white female novel written by an Indian woman, and it has arranged marriage themes. Arranged marriage themes? So that's definitely filling. This is hilarious.

So this tweet was drafted by this guy, Bucci, I guess. And he goes, there was only one black male, white female romance novel. At least that's what I thought. It turns out the male protagonist is Russian with a Viking with Viking traits. And apparently the cover used stock photography at relaunch in an effort to, quote, appeal to a different audience. These covers are amazing, by the way. Let's see if we can throw up one of these. We have Fjord Lords captive there.

That one is really amazing looking. So, you know, what's weird about this is because I'm looking at this image right here. And I mean, so here, I got to put this image up here. But what's interesting about this is so this is all consumed by women. Yes. So women apparently like the, yeah, there you go. Alpha's mate. Bad Boy Bear's book too.

That's terrible stuff. But it's actually the book's about of liking. This is the only thing keeping. bottom like 60% of the population literate by the way. That's very elitist of you. Yes, it is. But what's interesting, if you, if you swap the roles, like men are kind of famous for porn. I'm not encouraging that, 11 year olds, where the roles would be reversed.

It's a famous genre. I mean, it certainly is. It's just a fascinating, weird dynamic. Wait, wait, wait, is that Blake? Wait, hold on. Wait, what are we showing up here? What are they putting up for us? Wait, Ruth.

Producer Russ Has made Wait, Blake You have a series Of interracial novels Blake, is that true? No, I'm looking at the author here They're written by Russ Spacey

Russ writes all of these He's got the rice hat on And he's with a Vietnamese girl Look at the hall That's hit after 100 pushups though That was that one Yeah that's Blake after 100 push up Blake why are you wearing dress shoes

On the beach A man should always be properly dressed At all times Jack They're sparking ignites everything. I love how you have the quarter zip, no matter what situation you're in, by the way. Like on the palace.

Again, a man should always be properly dressed. Trapped in an elevator on the rice paddies. That one's hilarious, where you're wearing the... Yeah, the one with the hat, the rice paddy hat, yeah. Wow, we were just talking about... I would read that. We were just talking about theater. This is like Blake's West Side story.

No, that's the plot of Good Morning Vietnam, right? He has a Vietnamese, like, a girlfriend that he meets when he's, when he's, when he, Robin Williams, when he stationed there. I don't know. I've never seen that movie. He hasn't never seen Good Morning Vietnam. All right. What is the takeaway here, Cliff? Why are there, why are white men dominating the interracial romance novel category?

Look, here's what I need to say about that. We are not objects. Stop objectifying us. We are. Do it. This is a weird, like, underhanded compliment. Individuals. They hate us in culture and they hate us politically, but they love us.

That's the takeaway. They can, you can. No, we'll go with that. We'll go with that. No, the hate is on the surface. The hate is on the surface because what's simmering right underneath. I mean, we've also seen this. We've seen the, yeah.

No, I just think that. I've seen who watches Bridgerton, okay? You? Did you watch it? I've seen it. Ridgerton Wow Did you watch it Jack?

No Okay All right I mean he says he's seen Who watches it I don't know I haven't seen who watches it We're saying that the people

That are buying these books We know that they are Minority females Or that's what we're guessing Significantly That's according to this data According to this data set No we didn't know that

Based on sales And Amazon data Where's the fact I didn't see that anyway Blake was in the thing you direct it. Blake was was presuming. No, no, no, no, it's in the thread. I put it in the chat.

Is it? No, this is, uh, he's presuming. No, it's right there. What does Zuzzi's pedal say? From Booty Booch on X. Can you make the Steam's undercover a t-shirt and sell it? Maybe. I made it our, I made it our group photo and on telegram.

Oh, dear. Oh, geez, you did. Look at that. Dear Lord. Okay. Well, that is. That is a thought crime. Hold on, Jack. Don't say anything. Don't say anything. Cliff, what is the takeaway here?

The takeaway, I do agree with Jack, is that they act in public and virtue signal that all white men are evil, but in reality, they've got a soft spot for us. Well, here's what's confusing about it. I mean, we've made pretty dramatic inroads with black men, specifically like black men love Trump, and they've broken the whole since Obama. since we were just talking about Obama since the Obama era. Black women, not so much. Black women are not big fans of most of us, but they're buying the books. So there's got to be an inroad there politically. Look at my African American over here. I also think, yeah, they do love Trump,

but I do think we always underestimate how much black men hated Kamala Harris. I mean, they hated her with a passion. How do they feel about Michelle? I think they look at Michelle Obama as like an actual black woman. I think they just looked at Kamala and it was a little too yappy and a little too like... A little too Indian? Yeah, like, is she faking it? Is she really a black woman?

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He kept sending in his own comments. Peligula. Ooh. Oh, dear. Can we hit? We got it before. I have a hard out, but I would love to hit this millennial mom thing. I've been sitting on this for like two weeks now.

You're talking about the one where 40-year-old moms are having more babies than no no no not that one this it's related to that but this was the one where it was like they were saying that millennial moms so moms who i guess like are in their 30s 40s now are actually reporting more uh this is a newsweek article and they were reporting to be more feeling more drained feeling more mentally anguished feeling more uh what was the word resentful this was this is the headline from newsweek feeling more resentful than mothers of other generations. So Gen X and Baby Boomer Mothers.

And it said, well, the findings suggest that while motherhood has changed across generations, the burden of managing family life still falls disproportionately on moms. That's kind of a ridiculous suggestion. Like, obviously, moms are the best at raising families because that's why we have moms. That's what they are for. But it was talking about how millennial moms have a higher rate of burnout and resentment. and that personal time is their number one need and stated that way more than Gen X or or Baby Boomer Moms.

And I wanted to throw out to the chat, of course, which we are reading and also to the gang here as to what we think might be the reason for this huge generational disparity. Social media. Social media. Yeah, I mean, it's just like they all look, I'm telling you, they all look on Instagram and they all compare their lives to all the other moms and how they have it put together and they're like my life

sucks compared to them i'm resentful delete instagram yeah seriously they would be so much happier if they just deleted instagram when you figure if you're in your 30s or 40s you know you're raising kids in the era of like you have to be a victim you know we've kind of going over the hump of that and it's like i think they're probably fighting for privilege points and it's like you said everybody's critical on social media i mean it's i also yeah but i also think it's like the expectations on moms these days are completely out of bounds. Like, Gen Xers were free range kids. Like, boomers, like, let their kids just, like,

right around the park and right around the neighborhood. Like, they didn't have to helicopter parent them. So you got to do that. Then you got to get them the tutor. Then you got to get them the piano lessons and the, like, fencing, whatever the hell is they want to. We've made being a parent a lot more miserable. They've made being a parent a lot more miserable.

Like, it's more time-consuming. There's a lot more things you have to worry about either literally. So if you live in a place with bad public schools, now that's something you might have to homeschool. You might have to find the right private school or get them into the right public school. And you have to be a boss, babe, at the same time. Yeah, and you've got to have a job.

You have to have a full-time job. And that's what the article is talking about. I'm doing my tie right now as we chat here because I have a hit. But Joe Lee Silva, Ph.D. How's my tie? I wasn't even looking. It's pretty good. Not bad for a Catholic school kid.

that millennial mothers were raised in a climate of women's empowerment to climb the corporate ladder, be entrepreneurs, become highly educated and make their own money. Most of these women also wanted to be moms and perhaps weren't presented with the realities of the hardest job. So you have the girl bossism on one hand, but I would definitely argue that Instagram brain is a huge part of that, particularly because they go on Instagram and they're going to see

like some influencer who's like got the perfect house, got the perfectly, you know, is like working out all the time. Everything seems great. Kids seem great. Has a job. And it's like, how am I supposed to compete with that? And internally, subconsciously, it creates all of these problems. So that's why I tweeted on Mother's Day that if you want to be a good husband to your wife, to your spouse on Mother's Day, yes, of course, take her out, treat her well. But if you really want to help her unburden her mental load, if you want to help her find that way to relax don't get her spa tickets don't give her that back rub the main thing that you can do is to take her phone and delete instagram i got to agree with that i think um yeah so russ is making

a good point because they're doing wedding planning right now and like the fomo thing is real so my wife used to be a wedding planner and she and her mom did the business together and they were talking about how bride just kept getting worse and worse because of Pinterest so they would all compare their wedding even though they had like a $50,000 budget or a $30,000 budget, and they'd be comparing it to like a million dollar budget or half million dollar budget. So all they're feeling is like inadequacy after inadequacy. FOMO, FOMO. FOMO.

So, you know, poor Russ is trying to plan one right now. And you're comparing yourself to like the entirety of the internet. This is why I think people were happier when we just lived in like villages. You used to just resent your neighbor. What? You used to just resent your neighbor. Yeah. When you were living in a village and just like, imagine like, prehistoric times.

You're literally, your psychology. on some level is pride wired most closely to that. What? Scott Adams used to say exactly what you're saying right now. Oh, okay. I'm legitimately not ripping it off Scott Adams, but it's... No, I'm not saying you are. I'm just saying that he agreed with exactly what you're saying.

Yeah, you just compare yourself to the other like, you know, Neanderthal and like making fire in the corner, oh, he got a bigger deer than me. Okay, I guess that's... But you would also know your role in like a social structure much more clearly. Like, I'm part of the guys that go out and hunt for... you know, wild, you know, animals. Or you're a woman that sits around and you, you know, make the bread. A really interesting manifestation of that.

I don't know if it's really been deeply investigated, but it's an interesting theory. So we talk about number of kids people are having fertility rates. Over the past five years, roughly since COVID, the number of children being born in middle to lower middle income countries has absolutely cratered. Like the number of kids that are having in Latin America. Because they all got cell phones. So the number of kids they're having in the Middle East, the number of kids they're having in Southeast Asia, those places that are, they're not rock bottom poor, but they're middle to lower middle class countries. And I think a real factor in that, as you say, they got cell phones.

They got on social media. So we're getting FOMO of things in the United States. Imagine how bad your life FOMO is. Right. If you're a person living on $3,000 a year in Jakarta, Indonesia. I have a crazy story on this. So when I graduated college, I know. ended up joining up with an organization.

I went to Africa for a mission trip. And I was there for months. And I was around the Maasai people. So we would do these like little tours out, you know, to Maasai land. And at one instance, I was literally in a Maasai hut, like a traditional, like old ancient hut. There's nothing modern about it. But they did it in the all the old school way. When I got in there, I saw a car battery that they, somebody had sold them.

and they use the car battery to charge their cell phones. So these Maasai are living completely ancient lives. And this is like, probably at the advent of like smartphone technology, maybe what a little before. But I remember thinking they had full cell service out there. They lived in a hut. They were hunter gatherers, but they had a car battery to charge their cell phones. It was like the wildest dichotomy. They didn't have anything else, but they had a car battery to charge their cell phone.

So they could, they used the car battery to charge the cell phones. so they could get on Amazon and download the interracial novels. Correct, with the white man. Were they happy? Were they happy? They were happy. Those folks were really happy, but again, this was at the advent of all that, but I sort of

wonder if I went back now and I saw them still living in huts, dodging elephants, literally, like would they now have iPhones or androids comparing themselves to Western cultures? Or Asian cultures or whatever. It was a really, really fascinating experience.

No, I think that's a huge part of it. I think you are starting. And by the way, I've seen something too with like millennials and just zoomers on on Instagram in general where people like act like they've got a brand. And they'll have like 200 followers or whatever. And it's like, what's up guys? Here's what I'm doing today. La la la.

And it's like, who are you like what are you doing? Like we shouldn't all. Yeah, exactly. like nine views or something and I'm not dissing it or anything like if you want to get started that's fine but I do think that we've created a problem we have a problem in society and social media particularly Instagram and tick dot cause this where everybody wants to be like the person on stage everybody wants to be the you know the the center of attention and it creates this this really narcissistic feedback loop for a lot of people like this is why this is why blake's right constantly

creating this content and they're and just real quick it and it disconnects you from what you are doing in the moment because you are like you are wanting to be you know you're you're wanting to like film it for people um elsewise right and you see this of course in like the wake of you know horrific tragedies or events or like car crash and it's like oh i got to film this for the gram as opposed to be like oh my gosh can i help someone well this is ultimately why blake's right we're going to lose to china because uh we are we are producing a culture where everybody wants to be a social media influencer. And can I just tell you,

as somebody who did my darndest to avoid ever being a public person until what happened to Charlie and I was sort of like forced to be more public, being private was way better. And actually like I, it made me feel bad for you, Jack, because like, you know, Charlie obviously was a very public figure.

He's not here. You've been, you've been forced to be a public figure. Well, you did it to yourself, but like you've had to endure it for years. And I think it's, I got a bug in my throat. I think it's like, unfortunate.

The downside of it is like really, really shockingly awful, I will tell you. I think the worst thing in modern culture with women on particularly Instagram is this crossover between the arch of or the arc, not the arch, the arc of the pick me girl crossing into the main character syndrome. What's the pick me girl? Pick Me girls on Instagram are people who are trying to exemplify their superiority over other women. So sometimes it's deprecating of other women. Are they like the mean girls? Yeah, it's kind of like mean girl syndrome. No, it's like, I'm not like other girls.

I'm like one of the guys. They're fishing for comments. They're trying to get clout with the guys. Yeah. Oh, is it male geared? I've, yeah, they want the guy to it's like, it's like those other girls are hussies, those are thoughts, those are whatever, like, I'm not, I'm cool, I'm not like them. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, it's funny.

There was like a whole conspiracy theory that I deleted my Instagram because it was like, it had all this like stuff on it that was really important public knowledge. It was literally just pictures of my kids. So my wife took my phone and like, I haven't been on Instagram in like a long time. People send me Instagram. It was, it was just this weird account. like Andrew Colvette too and it's just weird pictures of you like I think it's a guy I don't know if it's real but it's just Andrew in Speedos like no it's it's actually it's actually Andrew singing on stage uh and uh is it is it can you steal my heart you saw it too yeah that's what

oh no that's pretty funny I had to say literally that's what the hut looked like that would inside and Andrew Andrew Colvette goes into massage territory comes out. Can you steal my heart? I don't know. The best part is I did just tell Grock, give it a punny African title, and it went with that.

That's pretty good. It's pretty good. These things are overtaking us. They're coming up with bad puns for romance novels. Actually, that's what the hut looked like, and it was filled with flies. That's what they don't show you in that romance novel. Absolute filled with flies.

You bring up a great point about the public, you know, we all kind of have this public persona, but it's like, people ask me all the time, like, what is your, like,

off ramp from politics and what you're doing? And I'm like, my dream is, like, the day that I can delete all social media. Right? I mean,

and I don't mind saying this on the air. Like, I really have to do it to raise the money, right? Like, to have a, to get the people to apply

for door knocking, sure, but like, really the public perception is, well, all these other groups are doing this, like, it's about,

you know, being able to reach donors and having a presence out there commenting but like the day I'm done like phone in the trash I'm off all social media yeah man I genuinely think that it if if I could be king of the world for one day and they and I could just destroy social media like that's what I would do yeah my one of my dream laws it would be like legitimately the best thing they could ever like I have to I frankly I wasn't even on

Twitter until last fall and then I you're like I had you ordered me onto it you said Blake, I was like, Blake, you've got to go on. You've got to start a next account. I'm like, okay, fine. But I think ideally, yes, I think a huge number of our social ills are downstream of social media. And if I could, I think I would pass the law and say, yeah, we're abolishing Instagram or we're at least restricting it. One of my hot takes is Instagram is bad for women in the same way that hardcore pornography is bad for men. in that it takes a natural drive that a person has

that is overall good and it supercharges it in a way that is destructive. So with pornography, like men are supposed to be attracted to women. They're supposed to pursue women. They're supposed to try to have kids with women. And you're blowing that out with a super stimulus and it's messing with your head.

Got to dip, guys. Jack, we love you, enjoy your head. What hit are you doing? Back to Rob Schmidt on Newsmax. Have fun. Check it out. Instagram, though. Same thing.

that it women are women as we said they're norman forces they are naturally going to care about what other people are doing and think of them they're the they're the glue that holds a community together and we're super stimulating that we're showing them too much of what's going on for too many people and it's making them feel massively inadequate when that would not be the case if they were in a normal community with normal people of their normal social circle well and and by the way the the uh to this is community and namely church. Of course. It was like Jonathan Haidt had this clip and I want to pull it again but

he was asked the question like who raises better kids right wingers or left wingers and he was like He said not even close. It's not even like statistically close I'm not even going to try and throw a bone to the left. The kids of the right are completely more well adjusted and he specifically brought up social media that they're more likely not to get washed out to see is I think the way he put it because right wingers tend

go to church, they have based in communities, based in family communities, and that's just it's way more stable. So women that have families, that kids, that like are, have like a stable husband that, uh, I think they are going to endure the onslaught of social media much, much more in a healthy way than. Yeah, he calls it, he calls it the happiness gap, right? The happiness gap is because the right wingers will keep their kids off the phone. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, we, we're, we're talking about strategies right now because my kids are little, but we want to be able to get a hold of them for safety, but they make all these phones that don't have the smartphone stuff on it. Really, Steve Jobs ruined everything.

It's insane how much phones mess with you. I think one of the craziest ones to me is there's some study that having a phone in the room, you're not on it, but there's just a phone in the room damages your ability to do focused work and on things. You don't even, it's not even, it's not even you are because you grab the phone and distract you just you're thinking about the phone and what's on it you have to literally take the phone remove it from the room so i'm actually doing a big camping trip with my kids uh where the whole thing is uh digital detox nice where you go where you going i'm not going to say privacy but but it's a really fun out out of state yeah out of state so we're for four days and we're digital detox western or eastern united western united states of course

northwestern or southwest southwestern southwestern So the point is they put your phone in a box for four days, and if there's an emergency with your family or whatever, they have a satellite phone. That's the only way. Oh, this is like set up where you're going. Yeah, it's set up. A guy invited me to it, and I was like, this sounds rad.

So it's a bunch of dads with their kids. That's cool. Yeah, it's going to be fun. But it's four days without a phone. And I was like, you know what? I freaking need this. This Mother's Day month, you can help make motherhood possible. If you've ever joined us providing ultrasounds and saving babies with preborn, thank you.

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We get a lot of news on X. We read takes on X. But I would say you should not use X as your exclusive news source, or maybe even your primary news source. Because that's part of it is part of the rod of X is you're getting, one, a lot of AI fake stuff these days. but also just a lot of very brief hot takes that are not allowing you to fully grasp what's going on. I would encourage everyone. If you want to be an informed person, you should have normal news sites that you read and you read full articles on them. And you should find a substack on a topic that you like in the real world.

So it can be finance if you're in business. It can be world news and politics. Just subscribe to Nate Silver or something. is a good one to read. But find the thing that you can learn where that involves reading full, long articles because you need to have that ability to digest a long argument about something. So I actually had this conversation. I had to do an event with Dr. Ben Carson last week in D.C.

And I was talking about, he's obviously a brain surgeon, you know, a neuroscientist. He said that reading long form is the single most powerful, I guess, contributor to like strong neural pathways that you can that you can do or you can engage it so reading books reading long articles so much better for your brain than short form stuff i even notice that in short term like when you're just you read when i'm in a high pace of reading i'm doing a lot of reading each day i start it's like your brain is putting together all these connections i start noticing all stuff i notice my vocabulary goes up i'm detecting new words Caboose the bard, if you are going to follow somebody online,

Caboose the bard. If you want the guy who's... The funniest guy on X, he says, I'm the funniest guy on X. It's criminal. He's the guy who does all of the sound intrusions on this. So if you like those, you should follow him. If you don't like those, you should follow him

and send him angry messages and say that you don't like him. Caboose the Bard. There it is. Yes, Caboos the Bard. I guess all the better D&D classes were taken. He couldn't be Caboose the Paladin or Caboose the Mage. Geez. Caboose the Bard?

Sorry, I had to make that nerd joke. We're going to have to find out about that, too. Reading out loud, too, for kids? Yeah, man. I read out loud to my kids every night, and it's really good. But I do agree that the IQ on X is higher than the IQ on other. No, of course. I mean, just if you had to take it, obviously there's retards on X as well.

But, like, the full-on overall reading IQ is higher. Retard alert. Do you have to use the hangover for? pronunciation of retard. Is that where I got it from? This is like, you know, I want to, I want to come back. It's like how Charlie would always say at Nazi when talking about the Nazis. He would say Nazis.

Every time, without exception. And I kind of want, do you think that was? And then Jen Saki, he would say, Jim Pasaki. Yeah. Because he was a retard. That's how Alan says it. So, no, but he said Nazi because of. In glorious bastards.

That's why he said it, but I just thought it was, because he would do that not just in flippant references. He would do that when, 100% earnestly talking about World War II or America's achievements in World War II, things like that, where you'd think there'd be a little different way, but that was his way of doing that. It was a funny tick of his.

Yeah, it was. Are we done? If we want, or we can keep going. What did the masses think? We could talk about the other part about how there's no teen moms and they're all over 40. Oh, let's talk about that. Yeah, this is great.

We have the graphic, right, guys? Is that Russ Spacey? Where's the graphic? throw the graphic up. I want to read the headline about the 40-year-old moms. This is a wild new stat. So I'm trying to find it. There it goes. More babies born to women over 40 than teens for the first time in U.S. history. Birth rates and women over 40 have jumped 193 percent since 1990 CDC reports. That's wild. But I will tell you that like, so we had our first kid when we were living in Los Angeles. And the nurses were like, you know, my wife was in.

or 20s so they were they were like you know wow this is like amazing this is going to be no no no no no no issues here because they were so used to in l.a having most of the moms be like close to fourter in their 40s i have a theory for this and i sent it to the group too was that teen alcoholism is way down so you think they're totally linked i i sent it over to the group yeah i don't know they're all smoking weed which i guess probably is not doesn't get you laid yeah 11 year olds. Yeah, I mean,

I think it's part of it is that alcoholism is like way down. And to the point, but it's not so much. Yeah, they're not, they don't hang out.

They don't, but it's all, it's the same thing. They don't like each other. It's all the good. Like, they're not dating. They're not hanging out.

They don't have inside jokes. They are not drinking, which is a good thing, which is, I mean, that's a good part of it. But it is, it is good that teenagers

being pregnant. Teen Pregnation. Teenagers aren't having kids. Other than we don't like it if they abort their kids, it is still interesting because, yeah, we have the medical science to have your kids in your 30s and 40s. But I think a very real fact that people have not been honestly informed about is just how much harder it is to have kids when you're in your 30s, especially if you haven't had kids before. This is a thing that's a true fact.

If you have a kid when you're 22, that by itself makes it easier for you to get pregnant again when you're 32. it just your body becomes better at it it's a real thing well there was a you know that guy Zubi on X or whatever yeah he put out this tweet like a couple years back now must maybe it's even like five years back and he said do you wish you would have had more kids or are you happy with the number you had this thing went so viral like so viral I mean it was you know it was like 12 16 million engagements by the time and it was like this the and everybody chiming into the chat was I wish I would have had more. Or I had four or five and it's just right. So the people that had like a lot, you know, of kids were happy. But then the vast majority, I got started too late. And one person

let this comment that I'll just never forget. And it was basically like, to your point, it was like, you know, when you get to a certain point in your life, you look back at your early 20s, mid-20s, and you realize you had the strong, healthy body that you just wasted on partying and getting drunk. And not, I guess to your point, maybe they're not so much. But like that was the reflection. of this person that was in their 40s that had like two kids wishes they would have had more but it struggled to get pregnant and they basically said it's crazy

you had this strong healthy like fertile body and you just you wasted all of these years doing these things that you don't even remember now or you don't even value looking back on so I'm a big believer that if you have that nagging feeling in the back

of your mind like should I have more kids like the answer yes do you think abortion or you know access to protection? I mean, does that impact this at all? Is that how we get to that stat? Yeah, for sure.

I think, I think, like, especially teenage and college age, like, everyone that's been on a college campus knows that they're, like, they're just, like, throwing condoms around. Like, that was, like, a big push for the last 20 years. So that's definitely had an impact for sure. I think abortion, for sure. It's up 16% last year. compared to 2020. Abortion?

Yeah, in the U.S. Yeah. It became a lot more common after Dobbs, unfortunately. The, you know, the left and states really went and supercharged their availability of that.

Yeah, well, and the tech companies were like, we're going to help finance your trip to California to get you your abortion. It's really sick stuff. Faz has some good take series. He says, 40s is when the wann-be girl boss plays her final Trump card and retires to motherhood. It's a tap-out

disguised as a win for liberals. the fact that it's that it's hard adds to the victimhood. Sorry, Fasb, I shouldn't have attributed that to you. But it's kind of true. There is like I think the boss babe journey, like the arc of the boss babe, right? Where they get to that later stage and they kind of like either have to settle or they finally find the guy that they're willing to have kids with. And then that's when they kind of come to grips to the fact there's no more time on the clock. I got to go now.

So I think that's what's driving it. is a lot of this like, you know, the clock's ticking down. They got to take their final shot or else. I think that's driving a lot of it. But to your point, a lot of them need a lot of fertility help. Yep. A lot of doctor help, a lot of nutrition, a lot of IVF. It's very, it's dark.

There's a darkly funny aspect of this, which is one of the biggest reasons people give for not having kids earlier is they need to be more financially established to do it. And then when you go through this fertility stuff and you're, your late 30s or 40s, you can easily spend a six-figure sum trying to get pregnant. If the cycles fail over and over, that stuff gets expensive. I totally agree. I was thinking about this. Oh, yeah, this one.

Play this clip. This is a good one from Rachel Wilson. I'm still trying to get her on the show. She's great. But she kind of gives a little bit of, it's kind of like, it's talking around some of these issues that we're talking about, how unhappy moms are, how unhappy women are in general. and yeah, loaded at 29. Okay, great. Go ahead and play. Women just overall reporting dissatisfaction on happiness,

a feeling of being really torn, trying to have it all, trying to have a career and be a career woman and also have a family and do all of that. Women don't know what to do with relationships because on the one hand, they want men who make more than they do. They want men who are higher achieving than they are, yet this creates a paradox, whereas women have been, become the number one earners of college degrees. They have now got salaries that compete with

men and they've got more equality than ever before. They're finding that the men are not suitable to marry. They're finding that, you know, they just can't find a guy who's on their level or higher, which is what they really want. Which has, of course, been your experience as well. So just kidding. Just kidding. No, but this talks about the paradox, right? Because women are getting all degrees they're trying to do it all and then they get to the point where they're 40 and they're like okay i i think a lot of them settle if i'm just being honest like they settle for the guy they can get at 40 because they realize there's you know all of a sudden your math changes when you get to 40 charlie used to talk about this all the time especially as like uh you know women like a lot of the

good ones are gone by the time 30 rolls around if you're a woman and you're trying to get a mate right a good man like a lot of them tend to get married and or like you know are no longer in the dating pool at that point. So I'm a big fan of starting early. I don't think you should rush. It's not what I'm saying. Don't pick the wrong guy. Make sure you've sussed him out.

Make sure you go through premarital counseling. I'll do all the things. But man, I think if you're at 30 and you're just starting to think about it, I do believe that that's like the wrong strategy, the wrong approach. If you know in your life you want to get married and have kids, I think earlier is better. Yeah. Right, Cliff? Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. So hold on, just real quick, the stat was, I know we jumped around, the stat was that people in their 40s are having more kids than teens? Yes. For the first time ever. That's wild. Yeah. But, I mean, and definitely, I bet, well, I don't know.

I don't know this. But there's probably fewer people now as a percentage they're having babies in their 40s. And that's how low the birth rate is for teens. Well, more, more, I think the number of births in 40s is going up overall. No, it's gone up 193%. No, it's still not a very high total compared to 20s and 30s. That's why our birth rate is low.

It is somewhat marginally propped up by a few of these people. I bet it's because the Mormons are having fewer kids as teenagers too. Mormon birth rates. No, it's Mormons. It's Catholics. It's Orthodox.

Yeah. Religious. Like so, hardcore Christians. Catholics, young Catholics. Like most of my friends, I would say, and people that are a little bit younger than me that are like, because I grew up basically

just around exclusively Catholics and Mormons, most went one or two directions. They either immediately came out of high school and had a bunch of kids, or they waited until they're like right now. Like I know a bunch of people who are like in their late 30s, early 40s who are just like barely starting their family. Now all of them, and by the way,

now all of them are pretty conservative. Yeah, well, millennials are getting more and more conservative. I think that we should, like at some point devote like a show about the absolute sire off that millennials endured in this country because like it's crazy the expectations we had in life and like what we were told was good like how many millennials were told don't have kids you know stuff even from people who are reasonably conservative

I think about sorry mom and dad I know you listen to this show so I'm going to criticize you a little bit here but one of my sisters she's she's a dentist and my dad was lobbying her her hard to go spend more time in school and become an oral surgeon, which is go to school another four years. You can make more money, do all these things, but it is four more years of school. And what my sister's opinion on this was was, is okay, but then I won't be done with school until I'm in my 30s. And she'd gotten married by this point. She's like, I want to have kids. And she has three kids now, and I'm not sure how enthusiastic she is about actually being a dentist.

But, well, by the way, that happens a lot with moms. Yes. They have their first kid and a lot of them just don't come back to the workforce. I told Daisy when she had her daughter, I was like, I'm not sure you're coming back. Like, but she's like, happens a lot. We've worked out. She's got a, I mean, a good situation here that where she can still be. But it's a real thing in that parents, even concerned to parents, like they worry about their, certainly their daughters being able to support themselves, being having independence.

This is a real thing. But they do end up encouraging them down a life. path where they're a lot less likely to have as many kids as their mom did or as early as their mom did. And then you got the Hispanics that live in like four families to an apartment building and they all have four kids. And it's, you know, if you, if your goal is to have kids, the point is like, money, yeah, it's a concern. But it shouldn't be your primary concern. I'm a big believer that when when you have kids, like God brings the provision. So I'm, I totally believe that. If you, if you're devoted to it and you're, and you're serious about being like a good.

parent and a providing parent. God will bring the provision. I believe that. All right, guys. It's been a great show. I've had a good time. And Cliff, do you want, final words to Cliff Maloney. You know, we want you to, you know, feel like you can talk here. We're not going to just drag you through the mud with all of your extracurricular activity. Tyler, can we promote the coloring book you did that forward for? You did it forward for a coloring book? Did you do it in grand? No, it wasn't a coloring book. It was. So Cliff has a new book that's out. Oh, he made a coloring book?

Yes. It's great. Run right book. Is it a romantic coloring book? So I actually over at the, I'll bring you, because Cliff was nice to death to send me a couple boxes of them.

So got them out over in the office. All right. Run right. Run right. Run right. Run right. Run right. Run right.

Run right book.com. Great forward by the wonderful Tyler Boyer. Tell a lot of stories. Pretty much it was just the curriculum from our candidate academies. Um, with Joshua Lysick's assistance, our favorite co-author. Oh, this isn't a color.

A coloring book. You lied to me. This is a normal book. Throw it up. Throw it up. A lot of fun stuff from 2024 and then talking through the basics of, I mean, most of it's honestly if people want to run for State House because that's kind of where we focus. But, you know, if you're an activist or if somebody wants to run, we say if you want to run,

you want to win, you want to stay principled. That's the point of the book. Good. Yeah, and use a lot of the learnings from turning point action. Of course. Citizen Alliance and PA and other places. There's not a lot of books out there that. actually give you insight into what to do and how to win.

And again, most, I mean, look, most Republican Party apparatus scenarios in most states are pretty bad, right? So you don't get any help whatsoever from those guys because if you're conservative, they basically attack you try to take you out. Most people don't help on the fundamentals when it comes to this. And Cliff is one of the very few PhDs that we have within the conservative movement. You got a PhD in running. And in singing.

Not running. Running for office. I got to work on my push-ups. I was glad he didn't turn to me and say, hey, you're getting in the challenge. Wait, so is Poso coming back for a sign-off? No, I think we're all right. All right, we're good. All right, guys.

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