The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 145 — Public Executions? Team Sports vs. Striver Culture?

Episode Date: October 10, 2026

The Thoughtcrime crew reassembles for several hotly contested topics, including: -Is the Pentagon right to announce that the Fort Hood shooter will be executed in public? -Is "striver culture" compatible with the real America? -Is there literally any value to creating AI video calls that pass for real people? Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's number one, number one, the new drop, of course, is our new thought crime tease up at Charlie Kirkstore.com. That's not what I was going to guys. You kept asking, so you guys had better, you guys better follow through and get them. Yeah, there was. Once they're in, I got a way. I love this one. We could do a couple designs. You can have like infinity t-shirt designs at this point. I have a vision for another one, but this one is just hot off the press, Jack. Thoughtcrown. We got to wear those.

We got to wear those hit Hamfest. Yeah, the original original thought crime shirt from, from while ago, actually predates the show. If you want real thought crime lore. And it was a T-shirt that we had for the human event side, and it just said commit thought crime. And that was sort of like the genesis for the show, the tagline, go out there and commit more thought crime. So commit thought crime is definitely sure we got to get up. So that's pretty cool. But no, I was also going to say that we're going to have them.

Where did you just say, Andrew? Where are we going to have the shirts? At Amfest. Oh, Amfest. Is Amfest coming up? What's going on with that? Well, I think we have the graphic. Don't we have the graphic guys?

Hopefully we have it. If not, we'll just have to recreate it from first place. We're very bad promoters at our own events if we do not have the graphic of our events. We had it for this morning. They should have it. I'm going to do a rapid fire. reading of the names. By the way, I literally was just looking at a tweet that said, Bannon has to go, Jack has to go, and Gates has to go. I literally, you saw it too.

Because I literally just talked to me all day saying, why is Andrew Colvette on there? I told the team the same. I was like, I don't have to be there. They sort of made me, but it's fine. I'm, I'm getting used to these things. Here we go. From top left on down, J.D. Vance, the vice president of United States. Erica Kirk, the CEO of Turning Point USA. Don Trump, Trump, Jr., the son of the president. Caroline Levin, former press secretary, Jesse Waters. We all know Jesse. Franklin Graham, that's a new addition to the lineup.

Spencer Pratt, also a new addition to the lineup. Brandon Gill, look at that. First time, I think he might be the first, I doubt that's true, actually. But I was going to say the first congressman that the first time we put him on the list made it to the second row. Yeah, that sounds pretty plausible. Other people have, like Franklin Graham is top. Yeah, true, true. But I think for a congressman, this is the first time that they've ever made it to the second.

And maybe like the highest vault of someone who just straight up was not a famous person before. Yeah, well, he had that great line at the UT Austin event, you know, talking about Ilhan Omar, came up to him, cussing him out, cussing him out, cousin. He's so vulgar. You kiss your brother with that, ma'am. So funny. So funny. So good. Okay.

Tulsi Gabbard, Michael Knowles, Steve Bannon, Honapalina, Luna, Brandon Tatum, Riley Gaines, Benny Johnson, Jack Poso, who we, uh, apparently are being told to take off along with Bannon. It's not going to happen. Sorry, guys. And Matt Gates. The main question is, why is Andrew Colvette there? I totally agree. Emily Austin, Nick Shirley.

All he does is post-Cole. Colvette. Andrew Colvett. Graham Allen, Jeremy Boring, Matt Gates, John Doyle, Kristen Hawkins, James O'Keefe, Nick Friedas, Matt Shaw, third basement for the Cubs, and Gad's sad. Heck of a line up there. I think, so one of the things, Jack, that I had to do,

and we had to do as a team, like when we were looking through, was look at the last year's first speaker drop. This is by far in a way the most stacked first speaker drop ever for Amfest. I'm very very very happy. We could just go full, like when the NFL does those countdowns of the top 100 players, we just do like the top 100 Amfest attendees. And like you start down at the bottom and then you just work your way all up to the top. What do you mean of the speakers?

Yeah, or something. I don't know. Oh, you like a countdown list. I'm just thinking of different ways we could build height. market it. Countdown, yeah. Well, and you know what's cool about this is that we're also going to have a bunch of really top, top, top, top debates, okay?

Actually, Bannon told me he's down to do a debate, so keep your eye out on that. So that could be fun. But we have people that are not on this list as well that are going to be doing debates. Some of these people will be doing debates. But it's going to be a lot of this. I mean, because we want Amphest to be more ambitious, bigger vision than ever, bigger ideas, talk about things that are dominating social media and the debates we're having there. These are going to be IRL debates on the biggest stage in the conservative movement.

So, Poso, you got a code, right? Is it Poso? Poso.com. Promocode Poso. I am told that it is currently live. I don't know exactly how much it gets you off, but yes, it is live. Yeah. So was it 25 or 35? I think it's 25.

Yeah. 25. Okay. So 25% off. promo code powerful promo code post so make sure you get in now because people, this, Andrew, you know, this happens with every

single Amfest that people sleep on it, they wait and they wait and they wait and they wait and they wait and they hit me out at the very at the very last minute we haven't marketed this event at all and we've already got like thousands and thousands of tickets sold. So it's becoming kind of an institution, you know, but

I just mean at the very last minute that people, yeah, of course they're selling like hotcakes already. But at the very last minute, it's like the week before the event. So it's 17th to 20th of December. People will always come and they'll say, and they'll say, Jack, oh, you know, you know, I really meant to get tickets. And, you know, I just, I didn't know. And you know what it is.

And you got to get me on the list. You got to get me in. You got to, I'll pay whatever it is. I'm like, guys, just buy it now. Like, please just buy it now. Don't put me in that position. VIP will sell up. So, yes.

Like, last year, it, it sold out first thing. And, you know, it was crazy. But general mission could sell out, too. Like last year we had to hit fire code. But whatever. Even if we don't hit fire code and we can keep the GA open, there's always, always a last minute rush. So get your tickets right now.

Amfest.com, December 17th through the 20th in Phoenix, Arizona at the convention center. It is legitimately the biggest stage in the conservative movement. All right. All right. We didn't even coordinate that, Jack. And speaking of stages, stage where you're, you might view something, for example. Jack, you had a very interesting encounter.

Yeah, Jack had a tip on a big old story. The Secretary of War today. They have announced. Breaking some news. We're moving the needle, but not that kind of needle, different kind of needle. In fact, no needle at all. We'll be involved. No, no, no.

In fact, we're going with a little bit more of a little bit more tried and true, old trusty, old trusty, old faithful. as they call it back in the day. Yeah, we had had an interview with the, so I just flew back from literally the Pacific Ocean because, so we're at the USS Abraham Lincoln and for Human Events Daily. We went out there. It was their very last day of their deployment. Super cool to be there. I would say, you know, welcome aboard.

I was like literally welcome aboard on this because we're on a ship. It was the last day of their deployment, 322 days. employed 200 plus at sea without a short visit. They were obviously conducting Operation Epic Fury operations for quite some time while they were out there. But we did have an extensive interview with Secretary Hig Seth. And he dropped a little bit of news, dropped a little bit of news on us. That was a scoop and a half. That was a scoop and a half, Jack.

Congrats on that. Thank you. Well, I mean, it's all thanks to him. and thanks, of course, to the sailors on the ship. And I just keep saying that, you know, regardless of anyone's feelings on the Iran war, you should always support the troops. Simple as that.

Yeah, 100%. So the news is, Blake? Well, should we play the clip? We should just play the clip. So they're discussing, they're discussing the pending execution of major Hassan Nadal. That is the man who committed the forthood shooting two decades ago at this point. 2009.

So. He killed what? Like, I mean, he injured 30, but he killed how many? 15? Yep. And motivated, they, the infamous... Unworn Child, by the way. Okay. And infamously, they labeled it workplace violence when he was Islamic radical. And finally, far too late,

we should have happened really 15 years ago at this point, but he is going to face full accountability and the way it's going to go down is very interesting. Okay, okay, okay, we'll play it. Clip one. But Major Hassan, this news that came down regarding firing squad,

Can you tell us about how that came about and what led to that decision process? No brainer. Execution by firing squad. Army Major betrays his country. Radical Islamist kills a bunch of Americans at Fort Hood. Of course we're going to do it at Fort Hood. We're going to do it on a Thursday. We're going to do it at 1 o'clock, which is when he did it.

And it's going to be soldiers with rifles executing the firing squad. It hadn't been since World War II since we've done that. Well, I kind of like the mentality we had in World War II, which was win, which was understand when the enemy attacks, you need to stand your ground. So it was radical Islamist terror attack. Remember what Obama called it? Workplace violence? I mean, that's what we're up against.

That's the worldview we're up against. It's workplace violence. CVE. We know what it is. It was a radical Islamist attack in uniform, inside the ranks. And so he's going to get a firing squad of soldiers, as it should be. And we'll make sure that people are able to watch it, that it's public, because people need to understand that this is a, there's serious consequences for these types of things.

has major has major hasan made any final request reached out to the president anything like that to your knowledge don't care we'll see him on december 3rd december 3rd fort hood wow cold blooded wow like don't care that i mean ice ice cold was it by the way people are asking me with justice well so people are asking me real quick why did i ask that question about you know uh you know um last request or anything and no i was wondering like if he had said you know can i get a copy of the Quran there. Do I want an imam? Like that kind of thing. Like people are like, why do you care about it? Guys, guys, I'm doing an interview. Okay. When you're doing an interview, you have to ask interrogative questions. And so I'm, I'm trying to find out what else is going to happen.

No, I think it was great. People were like, well, no, Jack, you gave you. Boom. You don't care. You set him up. You set him up to just go, don't care. Which made him look awesome. Yeah. Don't get there. Doesn't even But I mean, the most interesting thing there, the most interesting thing there, as he said, is he says, we'll make sure people are able to watch it. Give it a live stream. There will be a live stream. They're live streaming it. Did they say that? Yes. Holy moly. So the Pentagon has reached. So obviously on the back of my interview, I'll generate a lot of attention online. And so now there's this huge firestorm across mainstream media. So Washington Post, Politico, ABC, AP, all these.

papers reached out to the Pentagon and they did put out a statement to them saying yes it will be live streamed. So this goes back to a discussion. This was very early thought crime discussion that we had. I think we discussed if did we believe in the death penalty and then how

would we do it? And we said it should be public. Well, you know what's interesting Charlie, when I first started working with Charlie Charlie, Charlie was anti-death penalty which was familiar to me like when I went to Catholic high school, my priest was the in of you know he ended up becoming the bishop of that deacis but he's a huge anti-death penalty crusader which is interesting my dad actually put three men on death row because he was a district attorney

and then he would get hired from some of the local counties so my whole life i was always like well you know because i was born and raised catholic catholic high school stuff like i think charlie was very powerfully affected by the argument which makes sense that to be you know consistently pro life you should be pro life as the line goes from conception to natural death. Yep. And so a lot of people are affected by that is a powerful argument. But that's not true.

That's not true at all. So that like being pro life is it is, you know, kind of a misnomer because it's like I'm anti-abortion, right? Like that's what we're talking about. We're anti-abortion. So we're pro-life for the life of a fetus. The idea that a, which is a pre-born human, obviously, the idea that a traitor and a convicted hardcore murderer is

the same as an innocent child is just obviously flies in the fact and so this is where I do think a lot of these pro-lifers who make this really ridiculous argument have just kind of like got themselves wrapped up in the linguistics rather than actually like I'm pro-baby right it's go beyond saying pro-life

let's get Charlie's take on it here Charlie actually does that exact comment with someone who talks about pro-life if you want to yeah I'm pro baby Yeah, let's do it. Clip two. You were anti-death penalty. Is that correct? Pro.

One thing that irritates me about liberals is they'll say things like, yeah, we're pro-choice. But then when it comes to like vaccinations and my body, my choice, suddenly they're not so pro-choice anymore. I feel like conservatives do the same thing, but on the pro-life side. What do you think my answer is? Because it is something bad. Well, yeah. But if life is invaluable, then why do you not consider it valuable throughout the whole lifespan? Not just the beginning.

Because you believe in putting criminals in jail, right? Yes. Which is a taking of their rights. Not their life. Their whole life is completely changed. So I guess it's also an insult to the victim, isn't it? saying that your life doesn't matter so much that your murderer can keep on living, but you yourself aren't living?

It actually devalues the value of the victim, or the victims actually in a lot of times. God repeated in all five books of the Torah, you take a life, your life will be taken. To the consistency argument, if there is a baby here, you know, in the womb, that baby has done nothing wrong, whereas a guy who went and shot up a school did a lot wrong.

And so the only answer is to say, we value human life so much that you don't get to keep on living if you take a precious human life. It's actually an explicitly pro-life position, Because it's honoring the debt and honoring the victim so much that it's not just one to be discarded. That's, oh, it's not just a clump of cells. Because they're like, oh, you know, it's just a bunch of clump of cells that got shot up at a school. It doesn't really matter.

Go put him in a jail. Where we say, no, that's a life you took. And you don't get to keep on having breath if you go take another precious human life. And I think that that argument is particularly strong in a case like Major Hassans, that not even a crime of passion, not a stray murder, but specifically he engaged in terrorism. He went about massacring fellow soldiers, a betrayal of his country, a betrayal of the uniform that he served under. And I think if we are to believe in our society, in our civilization, one of those things is, if we believe we are a moral civilization, a good people, there should be a crime that you can commit that is so heinous that we can say you cannot be a part of us anymore. We are going to pluck you out of this society forever.

and we're going to show that this is what happens to people who do a crime of that nature. And we've talked about that with, unfortunately, Charlie's own murder, that if you're going to tolerate on any level political assassination, someone who will see the point of you're arguing peacefully and say, I want everyone else to live in fear of ever agreeing with that opinion. And so I'm going to shoot you dead. That's why we'd say, you have to meet that with the maximum penalty. And it's government authority. Charlie's point that we actually value life so much that we are going to deter those who would attempt to take it or in fact do take it unjustly that we are going to hold them accountable in the stiffest possible way, which is why you've always been actually in favor of public execution. Yes. Let me explain this, though.

And this is Romans 13. This is what is often quoted about governing authorities, right? This is really important underlying stuff. Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities. There is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

For rulers, hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. That's pretty powerful. And is that one of the lines is like the rulers hold the sword. Is that not the specific? Do you want to be free for fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right. And you will be commended. For the one in authority is God servants.

I know exactly what you're talking about. Oh, yeah, here it is. They are God's servants, agents of wrath, to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. It's verse four. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities not only because of possible punishment, but also is a matter of conscience. And because it is not for nothing, he holds the power of the sword, for he is God's servant.

and is there as an Avenger to punish wrongdoers. Exactly. What does the sword do? Cuts off hands. Cuts off heads. We used to do hands. There used to be a lot of hands getting cut off. Hey, you know, you know what, they say?

Singapore option. Yeah. What did, uh, what was, what was Christ's take on the death penalty? He accepted it. Wow. That's a little tricky. Well, I would, but even for, even for himself, it's that I always point to, uh, the good thief in the gospel. It's definitely in the gospel of Luke.

Yeah. Where, you know, there's, of course, one thief mocks Christ and says, you know, take yourself down from the cross, if you're real. And the other one says, like, have you know, fear of God? Remember, we are justly condemned, but this man did nothing wrong. Yeah. And Jesus doesn't say, I'm going to get you off. Mm-hmm. You'll be with me in. And that is what we should pray for. including for major, you know, this major Hassan. We should pray that he repents and dies a Christian. And in fact, there was an execution.

just the other day in either Texas or Alabama. One of the states had, it was the first execution since that messed up one in Tennessee. And it sounds like he died saying, you know, he asked the forgiveness of the family and said that he sought peace with God. God bless that man.

We can hope he'll see his Savior in paradise. Knowing the day and time of your death, on some level for somebody who needs to repent to Jesus, which we all need to repent, but somebody who's done something really heinous like that, is one of the best gifts that we can give them is to say, hey, here's your day. You have a time limit.

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which has really riled up the media. You've got people calling us Pyongyang. You've got people saying that we are the New North Korea. et cetera, et cetera. And this is actually something that we famously, infamously, et cetera, had a discussion with, with Charlie when he was still with us. Let's go back and run that classic clip. It is clip three. This is my other problem with death penalty. It takes too long, too many appeals. It should be public. It should be quick. It should be televised. You could have like brought to you by Coca-Cola. And no, I'm not kidding. By the way, I would totally tune in to see some petto get their head chopped off. Convicted by a jury,

you're hearing. That's going to be a... No, I'm talking about a real thing. I'm talking, I'm not talking about... All executions in Belarus are by a firearm. That's not a choice or anything. Andrew's saying, don't make kids watch it. And I think, no, the absolute... I think at a certain age, it's an initiation.

If you can drive, you can watch it. Not even 16. If all of a sudden, you look at some of these savages, like in Indiana, there was this guy that went in and killed a pregnant woman and her three kids. And you know what? I want to watch that execution. That'll make my day better. I want to see him on a public block

and get him be publicly executed. And so you heard me come in there and say, you know, maybe not for the kids. But I kind of don't think there's a realistic way of shielding them from it. Yeah, I mean, you're going to let it out. You do want to be careful because I think there is the point of we are not doing this because, like, it's fun and you want to wallow in it. But people should be aware, like, in a visceral way that if they do really evil, heinous things, this is the fate. And that's what we're kind of getting out when we mention, you know, people under 18. I wouldn't show it to a six-year-old,

but someone who's 13-14, where you're old enough, like we know there are 13- and 14-year-olds who commit murders in this country. When you're at that age where you are strong enough to commit carjackings, robberies, murders, you should be shown, this is what will happen to you if you go down that path. Did you see that video, that six-year-old?

That was crazy. That black kid in the white teacher. The kindergarten was in Ohio or something? And she's holding in. I think it was Virginia? Yeah. Was it Virginia? Okay, I can't remember where it was.

But anyways, he's all like, FU MFer. Come at me. Like, taunting the police, the teacher. The teacher's trying to hold him and comfort him. Super, super anti-white. Well, it was just like, I think he was just, okay, I think I've told the story before, but I used to live in Venice Beach, and there was a park there that used to be predominantly black. Every year they'd come back for a block party.

And I was playing basketball there and a bunch of little black kids. They were like, couldn't have been older than five or six. They talk like this kid. to me. And I was shocked because who raises a kid like that? But it's a problem in certain cultures. Let's just be honest. So

anyways, the point is you are the age at which you are capable of murdering somebody. By the way, that whole point of what I'm saying is that six year old shot the teacher in that. The six year old brought a gun to school and shot the teacher. Yeah. Anyway, so it's a tricky part though because once you put it out there you know, how do you stop people from watching it?

The internet is the internet. It's going to go. I mean, there is an angle that could be said where there's desensitization, but the problem is we are so far down the road of desensitization in this culture. Exactly. That, you know, Dylan or somebody in the chat said, if kids can play GTA, they can see it. And honestly, that's true. They need to be able to see the wheels of justice turn. Yeah. Yeah.

This is true. Because I don't think it's bloodlust. I don't think it's like, I think the worry is that you would create some sort of ravenous appetite for bloodletting in your culture or something. No, no, no, no. Democrats hate anything. Progressives have an aversion that is so profound against justice. They don't want justice for the illegal. They don't want justice for Lindsay Clancy. They hate justice.

And that's sadly, that's the other argument in favor of the death penalty is in places that don't have it instantly. You have people who they want to get rid of life without parole. they will fight they will move heaven and earth and hell to get the most awful criminals back on the street

back at liberty to let them hurt people again kill people again or just torment people by the fact that they're free there's such an obvious thing there was a clemency they gave in uh

and I believe it was in Virginia there where they just they let someone out who broke into an elderly couple's home and murdered them and their grandchild came out and was like please I'm begging you don't let out

out the person who murdered my grandparents and let him out. Yeah. When I was cutting that clip, Charlie goes on to continue and he said, you know how I know that the death penalty would work is if you decided that death penalty for anybody who robs stores except for Thursday, guess when everybody would be robbing? Yeah. Thursday. Thursday.

Well, you see this. Jack, you know this story because you're the East Coast guy. But there's actually gang, like organized crime rings that will go up to New York from Florida, steal and do all the stealing and theft in New York because if they get caught in New York, they'll be fine. And then they sell it back in Florida. Or they sell it and then they take the money back in there. There's actually a big thing with, with, I'm trying to remember this. I think it's Kansas City, how there's like two sides of Kansas City, Kansas, Kansas, Kansas, Kansas, Missouri. And I remember I forget which one on the top of my head.

I think it's one of them has a death penalty and one of them doesn't. And so one of them has a much higher crime rate because you'll get criminals going to the place that has no death penalty and then committing a ton more crimes and then going back to where they live on the other side. It makes perfect sense. I don't understand. It is the most obvious thing ever. California, they even got rid of what was that prop 40s? What is that? 41 or whatever it was?

Where you could steal up to a thousand bucks and you basically get a slap on the wrist and a written warning. If you do not punish crime, you will get more crime. This is what Rudy Giuliani found with the broken windows theory. You've got to clean everything up. You actually have to prosecute criminals. And when you do that, guess what? Urban revitalization, gentrification, investment in your city. But Democrats cannot grasp this because everything's racist.

There's a story that has haunted me ever since I learned about it. So there was a serial killer in the Houston area back in the early 1970s. I think they'll just call it like the Houston mass murders. But he was a grown man and he kind of had these two teenage accomplices. and they would abduct children and torture them and kill them. And the main killer, thankfully, was killed. Actually, he basically tried to murder his accomplices, and they killed them, and then they turned themselves in.

And since then, they've been in prison because they helped abduct children and murder them, but they weren't given the death penalty. It was during that period where it was not enforced because of the Supreme Court put a hold on it. And ever since then, the parents of one of their last victim, Stanton Dramala 13, 13, was the last victim of this serial case. killer. And for the past 55 years, his parents have had to go, well, ever since he became

eligible for parole, which I think began a decade ago or so. And they just have to go in every six months to argue against parole for this guy. They have to relive it. They literally describe it. You know it's coming. You have to prepare for it mentally. Sleepless nights, thinking, reliving things. What are you going to say? What are you going to do? You're going to tell the parole board exactly how you feel. They have to keep all these binders of photos, news articles. They have to basically relive their child's murder every six months because we can't just say this person who abducted, tortured, and murdered teenagers shouldn't be among us anymore. Yeah. Yeah. And it's how you deal with evil, we need to tell you a lot about what you think of life. We need to give justice to keep back.

Yeah. So, December 3rd is actually my, my youngest son's birthday. And he turns six years old. So when you mentioned six year old, and we were watching the interview earlier, and he totally picked up on the fact. He said, oh, December 3rd, are you doing it for my birthday, Daddy? And I said, sure thing, buddy, sure thing. All for you.

It is. Hey, me. Could be worse. I mean, also, pedophiles absolutely do need the death penalty because we need to protect kids. No, we need to call the herd. Okay. Blake and I were having this conversation. one of the reasons

this is very thought-crimey okay one of the reasons European culture and I would add like Japan and probably even China I don't know as much about the history one of the reasons we have successful cultures in the West

is because if you stole a cow or you stole a horse they'd kill you they would hang you for that and you start getting rid of those DNA strands in your gene pool guess what over about 2,000 years you're going to end up in a much better place

You selected for people who can respond to incentives. That can exist in a society. And so then when you import all these third worlders and these Islam guys, you know, there's jihadist, Major Hassan, Nadal. Well, guess what? You're importing a culture and a heritage and a gene pool that, like, didn't get any of that necessarily. Maybe they got some of it. Maybe they got different parts of it. But that is a thought crime.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But like when you just, there's a reason why the West is the best. And there's a reason why we shouldn't like mix value streams like that. Fort Hood should definitely be considered treason as well. Yeah. Oh, 100%. All right.

Here's my thought. Here's another thought crime. I think Lindsay Clancy should get the death penalty. Oh, not. Not even thought of a hung jury. 100%. All right. Jack, Lindsay Clancy copy cats.

They all should get the freaking. It's crazy to me that if you look back through history, obviously women get executed more than men. But the ones you do get executed, it is a, a really recurring thing. Is that true? Women get executed more than... No, sorry, did I say, I'm sorry. Women get executed less than men. Obviously, men are most executions.

But the recurring pattern is women who do get executed is because they killed their own children. This is crazy. Okay, Jack, did you hear this story that came out just this morning? Was it on. Where the six-year-old boy defends his three-year-old sister gets... He might have to get a leg amputated. The mom... A 35-year-old mother was unsuccessful in killing her two children, but she darned near got him.

I think she should get the death penalty. You try and kill your kids. That's just, might as well. So, you know, that was the one. I think they were out of South Carolina and they, they, they, the grandmother, I remember we wrote it up for post-millennial. Um, the grandmother actually said that she thought that the older son had defended his younger sister and that's why he had more wounds than the sister did.

And, um, this is, 50, guys, we were, we were talking about this during the Lindsay Clancy trial. I remember very well. I remember that this trial is going to create Lindsay Clancy copycats. And there were people out there who said, oh, you guys are crazy, you don't know what you're talking about. And I walked through the formula. I said it's the TikTok brain, the TikTok brain rot, the true crime brain rot, plus the algorithmic incentivization. The algorithmic incentivization of I'm doing it, you should do it.

there's more of this. This is getting incentivized. It's getting pushed everywhere combined with. And I'm just going to say it. The toxic fifth wave feminism. We get into this. Hold on. Hold on. But then, but that's dial it back here. So, and it'll be bad. And what will allow it to them to get away with it is even say she got convicted. If Lindsay Clancy just gets convicted and she's a celebrity prisoner, maybe she writes a memoir in prison is releasing letters. Be fixed to it is what we've been talking about here. If Lindsay Clancy got. Michelle Obama's going to Hung from you know hung from a gallows in public She should absolutely be hung We should bring back hanging

She strangled her three kids She should be hung And that's the traditional one they did You would hang them in a public spot And you don't need to have excessive France had the guillotine Until 1997 Yeah found that one

Looking at the last The last two heading It was after the release of Star Wars Number 12 guys Throw up number 12 So these are the copycat headlines Death Penalty all of them yep all of them all of them all of mom shoots daughter for in murder suicide hours after losing

custody battle missouri mom who claims she mistakenly placed infant in oven killing her cops a plea deal lindsay clancy obsessed okay just started over that i mean this is nuts yeah this is not and i will tell you this is to blake's point why this happened it's because a bunch of women thought they do the like the the the long house you know sisterhood of the traveling whatever and they got behind her with their pink shirts and their hearts in the air. And guess what? All of these women, you enabled them, you justified their own psychosis. And this is the result.

No, you do not justify it. You condemn it. You nip it in the bud and you put this woman on death row. Problem solved, at least partly. Yeah. Yeah. No objections here. I wonder if anyone objects in the comments.

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Let's play. Let's play. Is this what I'm talking about, though? This is what I'm talking about. Clancy, just play some of the B-roll. 13. Yeah. These freaking women. No offense, women. There are great women. This is what enables child killers. Every single one of these women right here, I'm

not kidding. Maybe this is saying it too hard. You have blood on your hands. You have blood on your hands because you told the other women that were dealing with whatever mental issue they had that it was justified and that they were not alone and that L I guess a lot of women want to murder their children. No, it's disgusting.

You're all disgusting. And then this leads into these other things. This is a really well-built-out segment because the Bernadette Green story and the Cornell protest. Go ahead, Jack. Well, no, so I was going to explain so for folks who want to go and pre-order the new unhumans,

on human socialist revolution. We have a whole chapter on the Lindsay Clancy stands, on TikTok brain rot, on true crime brain rot, on the idea that you're seeing this new fifth wave feminism, which kind of, in a way, so we finished the book even before the Clancy, or not Clancy, the Cornell 7 story dropped, but it actually explains a lot of the same things that we're seeing in there,

where it's like, kill your kids and everything is, you know, everything is rape. and that all men are evil and even your kids are part of the oppressor class. And so if you want to actually understand these things, go and get yourself a copy of Unhumans 2 Socialist Revolution. Because that chapter on toxic feminism, Fifth Way Feminism, it breaks this down exquisitely. What are the five waves? I'm familiar with the three. So it's, so, you know, the first one is, it's basically described, I think, of the way they, you know,

the way the things they want so it's like women women should be able to vote then women should be then women in the workforce third third wave feminism is like women women are equal to men fourth wave feminism is of course like includes all like the transgenderism and all that stuff um you know men and women sports and then fifth wave is what we're currently on which is like just kill your kids feminism yeah it's like no accountability no accountability men are responsible for everything even if you kill your own kids It's still men's fault. It's the infantilization of women, though. I have a much higher regard for women than whatever this is.

Yeah. I do. We love women so much that we want them to have agency in their own lives. Yeah, that you actually should be able to be trusted like an adult to not kill your kids. Or, you know, if you're going to choose to take a bunch of drugs and go hook up in a gang bang, that guess what? You get to deal with the shame and the regret of a regrettable sexual situation. Because you decided to take the drugs. You decided to do the gang bang.

Did you guys see there's actually a new headline in that that just dropped right before the show? Oh, the TMZ one? I don't know if it was TMZ. I just saw a post-millennial that there are new texts where actually, apparently Jane Doe was, and I'm just reading the headline. We have. It was our body our choice, right? Throw 24. Yeah.

The our body, our choice. Here's the official. defended the activities, the multi, what should, how do we put that? multi, multi interactive activities, group activities. The multi-varian analysis. Our bodies are choice and said, I don't think we should feel any shame for the part. Our bodies are choice ASF. Yeah.

Oh, boy. So here's the point. This is officially, I'm calling it, stake in the ground, line in the sand. This is the Cornell 7 hoax. It's officially a hoax. Look at this. Also, yes, while it may have been nice for like, what is this? Oh, wait, wrong one.

Ah, Jonathan, I really appreciate this text. My memory's super clouded too. I think we were all way too effing drunk and high. Yeah, you think? I'm getting a little heat. Pi-Fi girls, blank and blank. Can't get my name out of their mouth. And that's to be expected.

But at the end of the day, none of the sexual stuff was illegal. And honestly, I really liked. being with you and Matt. So anything anyone has to say about the gang bang. Oh, wait. I thought it was a rape. Sorry. Oh, the gang bang is out of their jurisdiction.

I don't think we should feel any shame for the part. Our body, our choice. Oh, okay. So Ms. Agency, she's in control. She determines the morality of it all. Oh, now it's rape. Because she just realized, she woke up one day and realized when you're not invited to a Halloween party that, darn it. it's just it's not it it kind of gets back to the classic thing guys I just wanted to be popular there's just certain there's just certain victimization arcs that you know we've set the script for how it can go it's just like how many how many women have been frustrated in their career and so they suddenly discovered they'd been sexually harassed or abused in some way somewhere along their career art there's several notorious cases about that at Fox for example and it's just like this is the same thing it's just like this woman can either be

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So you could see, it was almost like this moment of relief like, oh wait, maybe there's another option to this story where I don't have to be the whore. I actually get to be a victim. Anyways. It's crazy how this looks entirely back to the initial topic where it's like, in a sense,

Major Hassan is also, like, he needs to face accountability. There are a few things. Fix everything. And it's like accountability for your actions. Across society, across the board. And the thing is when you have more accountability, there's less problems, there's less bad things. Did you see the great article it was in, I think it was the Harvard Crimson, and it was saying that students are, they're realizing that consent might not be enough for sex.

Like they're developing a new sexual ethic that we should dignity matters too. They're basically reinventing marriage and like real relationships and commitment from first principles. And they think they're just, you know, the most genius people ever. No one's ever thought of this idea. We need to talk about consent. Jack, and I need you to have my back here. No super hot takes here. Just have my back.

So consent is garbage, okay? Like consent means what you want it to mean when you want it to mean it. The whole concept of consent is like one big setup to basically screw over Aziz Ansari when you have regrettable sex with him. Or to screw over insert mail here when you realize that actually he doesn't like you that much. Consent it's like, like it's that Aziz Ansari thing where he thought that he got proper consent, the girl wakes up and says, oh, I don't know if I like that. And then it turns into a rape allegation. That's not okay. That like the whole concept.

Listen, I agree. If a girl says no, you need to say, yeah, of course not, right? I get it. But like this concept of like in between gray zone, well, it wasn't consent because I was drunk. Well, did you consent to getting drunk and putting yourself into that position? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack, have my back. No, no. I have your back because the double standard is what makes it garbage, right? the double standard of if if the man is drunk, how can he consent, right? He couldn't consent either. And this is where you get this sort of he to movement that has bubbled up this week online and one that has gone going back until, you know, going back years even before Trump announced, I'll be back to the UVA hoax. And so this has created a situation where the double standards have become completely untenable. And this is, again, we talk about this in the new unhumans,

where you have to accelerate, you have to accelerate the contradictions. And this is exactly what it means. So you flip it back on them, you use that tactic of saying, well, how could he consent? How could the man consent? Why is consent one of these things that in a legal sense? And Blake can explain this, that in a legal sense, this is something that had been done on campuses, which I believe actually, correct me from wrong. Blake, again, you would know better than me. but didn't the Trump administration actually change the way that these are, that these cases are investigated.

Well, the Obama administration created this new, they basically imposed a new legal standard. They'd say colleges to comply with Title IX. Remember, Title IX of the Education Act just says you can't discriminate between, you can't discriminate between men and women. That's all it says in providing education. If you get federal funds, you can't discriminate between men and women. And our brilliant Obama administration came out and said, to comply with this law, you're actually required in, you know, the great genius of our lawmakers they intended this decades ago. You're actually required to create a special new legal tribunal to adjudicate sexual assault claims.

You can't just throw it to the police. You have to have your own proceeding. And it has to follow this specific evidence standard that is lower than the criminal standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It just has to be preponderance of the evidence, which legally means we think it's more likely than not. And you're not required to allow cross-examination. You're not allowed to require confrontation of witnesses. You can create a kangaroo court. they required this of schools.

And then the Trump administration got rid of it. The Biden administration brought it back and made it even worse. And now it's out again. And they're trying to use this bogus scandal to revive it again and change laws. Well, you know what else they're trying to do? I want a real flag real quick, though. Zuzu, she just said, did you see, thank you, Zuzu, did you see the sex ed that was being taught at Cornell? Yes, we did.

Yes, it just very casually and almost robotically. like they had a literal itemized list where it's like you should fill out this consent form to see are you comfortable with all of these things and it was sex with one person two people three or more people four or more people like two people and it just it was like rattling it off all these things like oh you should make your do your five page sex inventory and it's gross to read it's robotic to read and I think the most telling thing of all is that it's not to it's not erotic to read. Like, the creepiest thing about all of this, and even coming out of the Cornell story, is like nothing's actually, like, for lack of a better word, hot about any of this.

It's a bunch of people who've been fed this idea of what it is to be adventurous, what it is to be daring, what it is to do something cool and edgy while you're in college. And the end result is, this woman had a reputation destroyed,

these boys are having their reputations trashed. All of them look disgusting. Are any of them closer to feeling real love for anyone in their life? They all need Jesus. They all need Jesus. That's the case. So here's what else they're doing, though, with this.

This is New York Times today. Jack, I don't know if you saw this. Embrace or ban Greek life. Cornell case renews an old debate on campuses. A sexual assault case at Cornell revived a long-running national conversation about whether fraternities and sororities are beneficial and harmful. Of course you would go here. Yeah.

Of course. because liberals hate nothing more than an old school institution for men only and women only well unless you're a tranny because then they'll let the trannies in that's all they care about they want to get rid of the the places in which masculinity can flourish old school values old school institutions and let's just be honest a lot of white men so now they want to ban greek life over a freaking hoax and ua u of a is also during this yeah a lot of schools are So, you know, and this is where, you know, this is where when we look at these things, and we've, of course, done lots of shows about this, this is where you have to ask serious questions about the sexual revolution of the 60s and 70s. And you have to go back and say, well, wait a minute.

Do these things actually work? Do these things make ourselves better? Do they make our lives better? This entire way of living make society better. Of course it doesn't. Or does it work? No, it doesn't. work. We need to bring back old sexual

mores. We need to bring back chivalry, chastity, and virtue. How about, how about real quick, the idea of Christian matrimony. How about that idea? This is what's wild. I'll find the graphic, but you know the one area of modernity that has not gone through what

they're calling the sex recession? That would be a monogamous religious marriage. They are the only people in America today that are not having less sex than they did like 20 years ago. Where was the clap sound effect? That was like perfect, perfect setup. Yeah, where was, I'm glad they didn't do that, like the Mexican hat dance one for me. For Andrew.

It would have been appropriate. There it is, yeah. I love this, by the way, I love this comment. Can I just, can I read this comment from M.K. Bren? Hollywood literally promotes that lifestyle in all their shows, and then when people do what they see on TV, they can. get demonized make it make sense exactly right exactly right so when we promote yep on christian behavior and you get more unchristian behavior then we turn around and say wait um why do we get all this

unchristian behavior because you promoted it because you were constantly promoting it and because there are people who and and just maybe maybe just maybe and this is going to sound crazy like our real thought crime scalding hot thought crime here flaming hot take what if the Christian standards were in place because they work. What if Christianity is real and the reason that it worked for 2,000 years is because those standards actually set up a better and more successful society? So this is from Brad Wilcox. My latest for the Atlantic religion frequently gets a bad rap in our public conversation

about sex yet in an atomized individualistic age faith has turned out to be one of the few institutions still nurturing one of the most powerful expressions of human intimacy throw up 27 so this is actually the graph religious couples avoided the sex recession look at that i guess you could technically say we're down from 64% in the 1990s to 62% but we're actually up from 61% in the 2010 hey hey speak for yourself speak for yourself but look at this so rarely never attend church went from 64% on par with the frequent attenders of church down to 48% and the all unmarried group is down at 35%. And I guess what is it, what is it? What does that say? How much, what is that? What's the actual? Well, have sex once a week or more. So I'm just saying,

holy matrimony, guys. It's the way that God designed it. So holy matrimony. Yes. Yes, matrimony period. Shocking. I mean, it's, as Jack's saying, what if it was good because it worked? Well, and that's the crazy thing. It's like, it actually worked more or less stably for hundreds, you know, thousands of years.

If you want to go from like when certain Christian ideas became sort of the standard thing that they're pushing, you could say it probably lasts a good solid 1,500 years. Yeah. And then you just compare to this stuff where it's like, and we got rid of all those dumb restrictions in the 1960s. And like, you're not even to get to the end of that. You're not even get to the end of that.

end of those people's lifetime before society's flying apart. And then you can engage in debauchrous gang gang bangs with a redhead and you think it's fine. Oh wait it's not fine. She's going to ruin your life. Everyone's messed up. She's going to ruin your life but let's not let them off

here. They damage themselves. They all They damaged themselves greatly. They did. You're totally right. You're totally right. Now we haven't talked about Bernadette Green. I don't know if we want to get to that. I don't think well. All right. Let's go to the Striver Culture versus Team Sports. Jack This is you, buddy. This is big. This is big.

You tweeted about it. This was a debate that sort of riled up the internet. And it started as, so Dinesh D'Souza has been having this sort of H-1B debate with a number of people. It's sort of like a proxy debate with both French and J.D. Bants, who have both called for ending the H-1B program. I'm going to throw my name in that list, too. And, yeah, no, no, I mean, all of us who, you know, were, you know, having the burrito debate recently. But then the question of assimilation came up in simulation to American culture. And then there came this debate regarding striver culture, whether or not striver culture is American.

And striver culture is something that you typically see among Asian cultures, so Indian and Chinese. And you see this a lot in Indian and Chinese families where, and what we're talking about is sort of like the over emphasis on studying for SATs, studying for everything, cramming for everything. cramming for everything, studying for spelling bees, has become a sort of proxy in the debate as well, that you have to like push yourself and constantly take extra credit, extracurricular courses to always be studying. Study hard, study hard, study hard, study hard. Vivek, of course, had a tweet about this as well himself, almost two full years ago on Christmas, talking about how Americans, you know, are playing too many sports and aren't studying hard enough.

and that's why they're getting, you know, that's why people are getting left behind. And so that is, in a nutshell, the version of striver culture. Do you guys are, did I tell that? No, it totally makes sense. I mean, listen. But you know, it's that striver. Okay. Read the tweet.

You know, I'm going to get ahead to be a striver. So then, so then Dinesh D'Souza responded to that criticism by saying that, well, I should explain this criticism too. So the criticism was that that that's not an. American culture. American culture is more like you find your talent and then you inculcate that talent. You don't just strive to to pass the test because the test is there. So Dinesh responded, the Olympics, the World Cup and the Super Bowl are 100% the product of striver culture. If there's a single case of someone who didn't practice for hundreds of thousands of hours, simply showing up

and taking the gold or scoring the winning goal or getting the MVP award. And again, I think this is, I just don't think he understands what we're talking about when we say striver culture. The idea isn't necessarily that there aren't elite athletes. Of course there's elite athletes. But the idea of striver culture is trying to push everyone to be the same thing, to try to push everyone into being the piano player, the violin player, everyone has to be a lawyer, everyone has to be a dentist, everyone has to be a doctor, versus, you know, everyone has to get X score on the SATs or whatever it is. This is striver culture and putting a massive emphasis on this. You have to pass the test because the test is there. Versus in American culture,

and Mike Cernovich was talking about this, it's like the test is there to locate and find talent, right? The test is there to determine who has innate talent and then be able to take that person and find their highest and best use in society. So it's not just about being able to get the highest score on the test. What is the purpose of the test? What is the purpose of the grade? the purpose, obviously to teach the education, right? That's like the most basic purpose. But also it's like you want to also find those people who are so talented that you then put them into elite programs.

The same way that all of those world medalists, world gold medalists and elite athletes, again, start not just from striving, but from having that innate talent. So it's actually a talent search, a talent search mechanism rather than just. taking a test for the fact the test is there. And Mike Sernovich, our good friend, had a rejoinder to all of this and said, one of the most American things that you do see and you don't see in Asian cultures is the culture of team sports. And, you know, kind of had this basic response that, you know, you don't see the strivers necessarily in team sports. And I'm not saying, by the way, that you don't see this culture because you are starting to see striver culture in team sports with,

like travel teams and stuff. But the basic idea of an American with kids, and I think that if you went up 10 out of 10, if you have kids in team sports, and you ask the parents, why do you have them in those sports, they're going to say to teach them teamwork, right? To teach them teamwork in good values.

And that those values are not actually the highest values that are taught in Asian cultures. So this is something where it's like, it's literally a cultural debate. this isn't something where race really plays a role, but you do see this vast cultural gulf in the data when you look at the participation rates for team sports. So, Andrew, to answer your question, this is why it's become this like hot button issue online as to say, is Asian culture of the Asian culture of striver culture, is that becoming more

American and is team sports also getting kind of invaded by this driver culture kind of mentality well strive team sports is getting invaded by the fact that like more people first it's a few things like the travel sports epidemic and that's not getting ruined by Asians that's totally getting ruined by like middle class white families and no I think a lot of that so what's going on there is so interesting is that like I think some of it is that people have become just aware of how pro sports is just such a giant lucrative thing. It's a highly visible path that people can go down.

And it's so freakishly hard to get in. And it's so freakishly hard to get in. And it just keeps moving back when you have to be good such that you have to like be, you have to have been playing for six years already if you want to even play on your high school varsity team at one that actually feeds into the top D1 programs and all of that. And also I just think sports has gotten so high end. Like you even see this with the NBA. You don't have nearly as many players who make it to the end.

where they played good streetball in the hood and then they turned that into actually going to university and then into the NBA. They're all like these upper middle class or rich products of basketball academies. Like Steph Curry's dad was like himself a pro basketball player, if I remember right, or some other pro athlete. Like kids of athletes, athletes are marrying other pro athletes and then having these kids who are these genetic supermen. That's Christian McCaffrey's story.

Both of his parents were collegiate athletes that were both like really fast. like his mom was a track star and then like his dad I think was either a football player or whatever and so they they birthed the one white running back well I guess scataboo now is the other one but he's more of like a tank but it's like just like they actually joke about it's like somebody had to birth fast white kids but it definitely is because they like combined it is definitely the like the assimilation of team sports getting sucked into like focus on these like extreme terminal end goals like potentially going pro. I think another thing about it is

I think a lot of people end up in travel sports. It's FOMO though, too. It's FOMO. You're scared that your kid is going to fall behind. And so then once somebody starts doing it, then everybody has to do it. And it creates this really negative bad culture around it because when, you know,

I was coming up, it was like I was expected to play all the sports. I just, yeah, I just played a sport. This season you play this sport. This season you play that sport. And it was with kids in your neighborhood. You weren't traveling all the time. It's like parents do kind of ruin their lives.

it feels to me. When you're a travel sport parent, you end up going to a new tournament every weekend. You're on the road all the time. Your life revolves around this sport. You spend thousands of dollars for a sport that, let's be honest, your child will almost certainly not play pro. They're not even that likely to...

Not even likely to... Yeah, and they're not even likely to probably do it in college. Go do Dodgers. Yep. And it's just... But yeah, on the striver culture thing, I just think probably the thing that is most annoying with Asian-style striver culture,

because that's who they're complaining about. is it turns into what's called, you know, a Red Queen's race. Everyone is running in place to say in the same spot. And, like, that happens so much. And, like, it is really just engineering towards getting a high score for the sake of itself. Yeah. Like, what's the point of being, like, so dedicated to, like, one sport from the time you're six to 18? If you're not, if you're not going to be a millionaire because of it.

I mean, maybe you say, hey, there's no chance of being a millionaire if you don't do this. But, like, come on. Also, come on. So stressful over the kids. Club kids were always so annoying. Jack, were you a club kid? Club sports? What's a club kid?

Traveling sports? Did you play sports? Did you play sports? Yeah, I played sports, but no, I didn't do, I need to travel sports. Yeah, same. I didn't do the traveling clubs. It was just like kind of picking up when I was getting out of it. It is definitely, I mean, even with college sports, I don't really care for college sports for this reason.

So, so wait, guys. There's clearly this origin that came out of just a good, well, you know, schools were originally for men. And it's like that a well-rounded, you know, you know, you know, Pertman was like a good athlete and a good team player and a good sportsman. He also knew he was liberally versed in different subjects. We're totally going for that liberal arts ideal. And that's where you're getting the traditional team sports that U.S. middle schools and high schools have had. They have a basketball team, have a football team, have all of these things.

And then because those were so popular and everyone did them and because we were a rich country, we have rich professional sports teams that are really popular. and that has like bled back into the original sports and sadly I think corrupted them and it's made it so they are either a super lucrative thing into themselves or you play them because you're hoping to get into that super lucrative thing

and it's corrupted what was originally a very good thing to develop a sportsman. I talk about jobs and industries on this show all the time but I didn't expect to find an entire skills trade community on TikTok. Plumbers, electrician, builders and contractors sharing the work they do every day. And it went way beyond tips and tricks. People were sharing their craft, connecting with local contractors and talking about how they were building their businesses and growing their teams. It opened my eyes to how people in the trades

are using TikTok to share their skills, make connections and find new opportunities. I remember thinking this is exactly what we need more of, people sharing what they know and creating opportunities for others. And I never expected to find a community like this that's the thing about TikTok. You start with something you know and suddenly you're finding a whole new side of it that surprises you and leaves you wanting to know more. Your next discovery is waiting for you on TikTok. Learn more at TikTok.com slash discover more. So guys, I'm being told that we haven't quite defined striber culture that great yet and people are still kind of confused. And so like I'm not saying that people shouldn't strive, right? Like we're obviously not saying that. We're conservatives. But it's the social phenomenon around

hyper achievement. I just did Google on this. Constant self-improvement for the sake of self-improvement, intense dedication to upward mobility, performative workaholism, measuring success by how hard, how long you work, hustle, radical self-optimization,

every aspect of life, including sleep, diet, and hobbies. Tracked, measured, improve for overall maximum efficiency. Status signaling, achievements, et cetera, et cetera. You know, throwing it all over your LinkedIn. Perpetual dissatisfaction, burnout, imposter syndrome, identity merging. And these types of things that, you know, really just take over your entire life as opposed to, again, you know, the type.

And keep in mind, so keep in mind that in America, before we had the striver culture of you have to study to get done the test to, to pass the test. We were the country that one World War II, were the country that put a man on the moon, were the country that did all of these things without this culture. Without this culture whatsoever. We built America from nothing to,

from the ground up and were able to do. Well, we had this driver culture in pretty different ways. We also had work ethic. Yeah. I think that's, I think that's one of the different things. It's not, it's not work ethic. No, no, but that's the point. I think you've seen the,

as you've seen this more striver culture kind of come out, I think you've seen work ethic go the opposite direction. And I think that's because a lot of this is focused on the parents. Like, perfect example, look at sports. Like we were using sports as the illustration, right? The reason sports suck now is because of parents, not the kids. Because parents have turned sports into, oh, I have to relive my glory days, through my kid.

Or I'm going to push them. Or they have to do better than I do. Yeah, exactly. They have to have a shot at the MLB. I mean, there's so many things that go into this. Like, let's be real. I think a big driver of any striving in the U.S. is there's a lot of,

there's a lot of class anxiety, lifestyle anxiety, because people can sense that the bottom has totally fallen out on the low end of American life. It's just real. There's just a lot of people who live very bad lives that are heavily self-inflicted.

They get into drugs. make the fear of, they become dependent. And everyone's terrified. Their kid will fall into that. So you strive hard and or you fear living around it. You fear not because we have high crime areas. No one wants to live in a high crime area. Combo that with social media.

Like compare that to, you know, Europeans will say they're more chill and because until they started making novel decisions around immigration, you could be a 25th percentile person in Germany. And it basically was no big deal because every, every neighborhood is safe. You're basically guaranteed a good wage. You're not going to live in a totally desiccated urban environment. But in the U.S., that is the penalty if you're in that 15th, 20th percentile. You can live in a pretty harrowing, frightening environment.

So people get worried about avoiding it. And then this increases levels of competition. And social media, which is social media is a comparison machine. Yeah. And it's also, frankly, a product of we have a more meritocratic society that you can say America ran this way 100 years ago. But also the only way you were ever going to be an elite is, You were from an elite family. You went to a handful of boarding schools.

You wrote your lame John F. Kennedy essay to get into Harvard. Maybe things are just getting more competitive, Jack. Things are more competitive. I'm watching. I think, I think, you guys are like on a totally different tangent than the original topic. Because that's not really what the debate is about at all. Well, we're talking about where the chival culture is coming. Coming from.

So there's a couple. Well, we're talking about the difference between like American culture versus Asian striver culture. And the chat actually gets this pretty well. So I want to read this one. 777 Tia, she wrote in and said, I mean, from some Asian cultures, they only think a career in medicine or law or engineering is legit. And everything else isn't a career to pursue like a basketball player. And so I think that's a perfect example. No, that's a great.

I totally agree with that. So it's like trying to fit, believing that everyone has to fit into one, you know, it's all the square pegs into every round hole. Everything has to be the round hole versus the American. idea of, which is just the more general American idea of, hey, everyone's got certain talents and your childhood should be based around figuring out what those talents are, what your interests are, and then, you know, trying to inculcate that and nurture that. Hold on pushing back on that. I feel like I've heard endless complaints about boomers where because boomers will just say like, follow your passion. You should just do what makes you happy. This is actually, I'm with

Jack. And then people have said boomers are leading people astray. I just want to say, though, that this is not dead in our culture, it's very much alive, because I will tell you 10 out of 10 people, whatever, 100%. When I'm talking about my son, case, talking about team sports and stuff, because I'm getting him into Little League and things, everybody's just like, when he's ready, he's ready. When he wants to do it, follow his passions. I mean, people are giving me this unsolicited advice when it comes to, like, my own son. So I do think that this is very much still the American way, but Jack, follow me here. So on the side of the ledger where we're talking about where is this striver culture getting re-injected or injected into the american zeit guys i'm watching the

playoffs right and i remember 10 years ago watching baseball and there were not this many guys throwing 100 miles an hour like straight up everybody is throwing 100 miles an hour now like things are getting like ratcheted up to the like very extremes of human ability when i was in high school the same thing it was like every kid was throwing if you weren't throwing like 70 80 miles an hour, you weren't a pitcher. Well, this was insane. The days of, like, Greg Maddox throwing 88 and just, like, paint in the zone are gone. All these guys are throwing 98 to 104.

Like, what's that? There's another aspect. There's another aspect I wanted to also mention, though, is, and I was trying to get into it at the beginning, is that it really is that Americans do value teamwork. And so, like, Andrew, is one of the things that you want your son to get out of Little League teamwork? Yeah, I want him to be coachable. I want him to learn how to take commands from a coach. And I want him to, like, you know, have fun with his friends and learn to enjoy that camaraderie. Totally.

Right. And so I really think, like, 10 out of 10 that if you asked parents, that's going to be like one of the top answers you get out of every parent that has a kid. I think that's still alive in America, though. I do. I really do. And I argue that it is. However, when you look at the statistics, the groups that are the least likely to have their kids in team sports are Asians. the least likely.

They're also not as good as the tiger mom culture. This is the tiger mom culture that is 100% just dominated by striver culture. Why? Because their kids are going to be in again, like you've got to be learning violin,

you've got to be learning piano. I worry. I mean, a lot of this is a complaint. Who cares if they decide to prioritize learning violin and piano? Like, your kids aren't learning violin piano in most cases? Like, someone should. Yeah. My kids do learn piano. but it's not about who cares

Blake. I hate it people. I have the issue. I know. The issue is about the cultures. There's no, because we talk about the blue banana. I always go back to that. It's just one of the most fascinating things,

like ideas that I've ever thought about. And Blake, Blake introduced me to it. But we talk about there are certain special cultures that produce really profoundly good things. Yeah. Like progress humanity forward, right? So Jack's point is actually legit here

because if striver culture is not the thing that has propelled America to land on the moon and all these things. And what is is more of this camaraderie, finding your niche, finding your unique talent, and then letting that blossom. What he's saying is, then we are going to jettison the very thing that sort of was like operating in the firmament, operating in the software of the American culture that made us great. And so we have to actually identify it and protect it. I actually, I get that point.

I think whatever we had 100 years ago. It's long gone, unfortunately. I don't think so, man. I don't think so. We still. That's 100% what I'm saying. It's that you want to find the people who have the best talents. And then, which by the way, which is another huge aspect of the H-1B debate because they claim that Americans don't have talent.

And they bring in people, you know, who are basically scab labor for these IT firms. And by the way, they shout out to the administration. Because I think they're working on closing the top of funnel on some of these H-1B to green card programs. And that perm? They took on Microsoft today with his business. Microsoft, Adobe, Cognizant, a number of these firms. Yeah, but so. Yeah, but here's, here's why I don't think this is gone.

And this is actually where I disagree with guys like Bannon. I actually told him this, but I think this would be a fun debate for Bannon and Amfest. And so I totally respect where he's coming from. And Cernovich is the same way where they don't like the tech bros. But I'm sorry, I listen to Palmer Lucky and I'm like, dude, I like that guy. He's freaking like on point. And he's innovative. He's, you know, he's, what is he building that like?

the shipyard in Maryland. Yeah. I mean, that's cool. Yeah, it's like a Baltimore. Elon Musk. He's launching rockets into the frisible. Yeah, yeah, he's launching rockets, catching him in, you know, that, like. I mean, Elon Musk is actually definitely an insane grinder when he was young, though.

So I don't know that we, I don't, I don't like this idea of, I, I push back on this idea of innate talent because high skill is almost always talent combined. Are you a tabular? No, no, no, no. I'm saying actual talent is like, is, like, like, like, six. Serious talent is basically grinding plus ability. No, no, no. That is how you become super good at anything major.

Nobody's saying that that's not what we're talking about here. What you're saying is, okay, I want my kids to actually have fun for like while they're children. And I'm going to observe them where they're naturally gifted, where they seem to have proclivities and talents and abilities. And then I'm going to be like, you know what? Now I'm investing in that thing. It's called nurture. I'm going to nurture that thing. I'm going to pour into that thing.

And by the way, the kid's probably going to love. doing that thing. What I would know? He's going to grind. One thing I would say that's interesting, though, is if you go back earlier, like, you actually probably have less flexibility in what you're able to study. I thought about, like, for example, I was just reading about, for example, peak Victorian Britain, which insanely successful society.

And basically, yeah, you had a pretty broad liberal education and they put a lot of emphasis on sports and it wasn't super academic. But what you actually had to study was remarkably rigid. rigid and it was heavily ancient languages if you can believe it like about half your study time was learning greek and latin which is at least as you know much of a digression to learn about as violin or something i actually think studying language and music is the one thing that has expanded my mind more than anything else reading of course but like there's certain human activities i think that's why they thought it was important because i actually think it made people smarter and wiser

mastery of the English language, but also then you can read the classics and understand how you got here. So I don't think of it as a diversion. Even to that point, if you look at like Greek and Latin, like if you wanted to deep dive on the Bible, you can

deep dive on some of the words that are used in the Bible. It gives you a great respect for the culture and the history and the civilization you're part of. I'm with you, Jack. Honestly, I think also, honestly, a lot of striving is also just a product of concentration of like a more concentrated elite class,

a more concentrated economy, a more less distributed success, prosperity. And it makes people more competitive for what's seen as a handful of spots. Like if you want to reduce everyone grinding to be a doctor, we should just open another few medical schools and have more doctors instead of importing them from abroad.

That's obviously a huge, huge issue because the AMA always pushes back on opening more medical schools. they really, really don't like that because they want to keep that as a cartel. Do you think that this is in a weird backwards way contributing to socialism because all this massive anxiety of the downwardly mobile elite

is actually this anxiety of fewer spots have to compete, have to keep up with Joneses. And then they go, screw it, this is too hard. There's definitely a lot of people who watch out. I think the biggest driver of socialism is definitely not just young people but it's a lot of sad millennial.

who feel they didn't get what they deserve in life, who actually didn't deserve it in the first place. Like a lot of them are actually kind of pathetic. Downwardly mobile a week. Caboos like that. Caboos, wait, hold on. Caboose. Get in here, Caboose.

You have to show yourself. Socialism is for the lazy. Yeah, that's right guy with the Godzilla by his name. Yeah, you guys like that. I love that. Hold on. I want one. I don't get at.

Yeah, give him a deal. different, give him a different, a different cartoon logo, though. You should give me, like, the coolest cartoon logo, and then Andrew should have a much lameer one. What's, what's Jack get? Jack, what kind of, do you want to? Jack's going to get, like, a winged Hassar or something. We're not socialists here.

You guys get nothing. What's going on with the logos? No, I want Francisco Franco. Okay, all right. That's a very different thought crowd. I'm going to have to go look up Francisco Franco's early life to see if he was striver culture or team sport culture. He was just, probably.

Probably team sport. I don't know. Do they really do? Team sports is like, well, weird thing though is Team sports is not even a European thing.

It is only an Anglo thing. It is an Anglo thing that we brought to America. But soccer, they don't do team sports culture for soccer in Latin America. Like if you're, if you're good at soccer in Europe,

what happens is they identify you at like age eight and you go to a soccer academy and you get like trained super hard and if you're not good at anymore, you wash out. Like, you don't have your casual, like you'll play it for fun.

But you don't have that broad-based team sports culture to nearly the same degree in Europe as in America. They obviously still play sports. But the entire concept of every school, every school has a team for five different sports and you play all of them growing up. That's totally a weird English eccentricity that came to America. Hold on. What about Poland, Jack? Does Poland have team sports? Yes. Team sports.

Blake, did you know that in the medieval era there was something called mob football? Yeah, just everyone ran around after a ball And it was like 10,000 There was like no rules other than just There was a ball And it was like extremely violent It's so good This is why you didn't need

Traveling sports teams back in the day The crazy thing is Poland wouldn't need Poland wouldn't need boring team sports Because in Poland until the 1700s It was just legal for you to revolt against the king And like the king was not allowed to be butt hurt about it And he couldn't He couldn't just like execute you

Just because you revolted against the king They actually referred to Because the Polish king under the confederation was was like a weaker king. It wasn't an absolute monarch, so it was like very similar to, you know, the, the Magna Carta style of a monarch with the parliament. And in fact, at some point in American history, they actually referred to the U.S. presidency as a Polish king.

Well, let's hope not because it didn't end well for Poland. Right. Well, he was an elected, well, I mean, look at where we're at. So this was an elected monarch. And so the idea that you have a monarch with the powers of the monarchy but was elected. This has been fun. Yeah. We didn't get to our AI touring test.

I think we still should. I mean, we've got a lot of viewers. And we still, and by the way, so I do want to summarize this, that we're not against striving, right? Striving is good. But the idea of going into this striver culture thing that, and this is where I'm at on this, this is something different. This is beyond just striving for what your innate talent is. It's finding what you're good at or excuse me, it's finding something that you think you should be good at

and then spending all of your time and forcing and pressuring your kids to be so good at that that you can check some box or something and then basically like abusing them if they don't score well on test. This reminds me of that. And I reject that. I just reject that. This reminds me that Malcolm Gladwell, wasn't it like the tipping point or something or 10,000 hours. Yeah, the 10,000 hours. And he's such a midwit.

He's like he's literally, that's like him, James. Yeah, whatever. Jared Diamond. Andrew, what were you saying? Well, no, it's fine. Go ahead, Jack. Oh, no, I was just saying, I can't stand that guy. He's like him and Jared Diamond are like the, they're like the, the, um, midwit popular academics.

They, uh, but he has this interesting study. I will say this part was interesting because I did read the book many, many moons ago, but where it was talking about what, what time of the year, uh, young hockey players. in Canada. Oh, yeah, yeah. And it's like it mattered if you were a little bit older because you got more, you were just, you would be bigger when you started playing and you'd get more.

Not just more coordinated, but then you'd play a little bit better. So you'd get more resources and, you know, you'd get to play more, become better over time. And like a small lead turns into a big one. Exactly. Yeah.

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So this is a bizarre thing. There's so many AI things that are going on, but we'll kick it off with Griffin. This is an AI video model that basically simulates a Zoom call with somebody. And apparently about 48% of people, who talk to it, the company claims think they're talking to a real person. They call it passing the video Turing test. A robot, they think it's human. Clip 19. All righty, let's do this.

Asan, how's it going? It's pretty late for you. Have you thought any more about how we're introducing Griffin? I don't know. What are your ideas? I mean, I think we should stop trying to explain it and just, you know, show them what it looks like. Do you think that we should just show a recording of us talking or something? I think a video of just us like this would be the best way to actually prove it. Do you think they'll believe that you're AI? I think that's the whole point, isn't it?

If it's good enough, they won't even have to think about it. Now, how about just a thumbs up? Sure, one thumbs up coming right up. Hell yeah. That was awesome. I would say you're my favorite co-worker. It's been really great to work on this with you. You're making me blush. Ah, who's that with the ugly sweater?

Yeah, I drifted dance. Yeah, it definitely looks like it. Oh, my gosh, okay. 1%. You're living on the edge, Hassan. Truly. I'll keep my breathing steady, so I don't drain your CPU any faster.

Wow, you actually did slow down your breathing. What am I watching there? It's like a back and forth. So the red-headed woman there, it was AI the entire way. the touring test because when they showed her up close I was like her mouth was moving funky. Well, apparently a lot of people don't notice

how people's mouths moves when they talk to them. They might have mouth dyslexia or something. I would have known that was AI just. I don't think it matters. Or at least slowed down like bit rate. So the reason I wanted to talk about this though is not whether that specific model passes it, but we know if they're able to do this now in one year

or two years, all of that. This is the worst AI. The worst it will ever be going forward. and so if they're like that now I mean we remember what was we're literally four years removed from where like AI was you could ask an image like make an image

of a house and you'd get like a weird five year old's watercolor kind of smudge look chat GPT the first one that really went viral that was fall of 22 and yeah and then it's like just gotten better and better and better and so if they're able to make a sort of wacky video that you know has weird moving mouth

we're clearly 48% of people who talked to it live thought it was a real human. And previous systems had a pass rate of 3% which means three years, maybe a year from now, two years, what, three or four years tops, we'll probably have a model of that that 100% just seems like a real person. You could essentially have just a person sitting on the Charlie Kirkland.

And so my thought crime is we need to make it illegal to do this and if you try to create it, you get executed publicly. Boomers are cooked. Because this is going to, I believe this is going to destroy society. Like, one, this will defraud a million people. This will defraud countless numbers of people.

It's going to be socially destructive. Like, think of the people who are going to have relationships with this AI robot. They're going to have all their friends. They're just going to be these AI people they talk to. They'll have no real contact. Why would they talk to a real person who might disagree with them or push back on them or have different priorities from them when they can talk to this pseudo person in the AI machine? it's going to put people into a bubble.

It's going to fry their brains. They're going to lose touch between what is real and what is robot. It's bad enough now. This is going to absolutely be an A bomb on society. Execution is a little bit dramatic, though, right? I don't know. I don't know. It's probably bad.

I mean, like, think about, think about just, think about someone that you know that is over the age of 50. It's going to happen. Oh, no, but just think about somebody who's over the age of 50. Unless we do my solution, yeah. Think about how many people are already getting, getting scammed out of money, out of all sorts of things. Now add an AI that's almost unrecognizable from an actual human. These people are going to be just.

And more specifically what I'm saying is I don't think there's any upside to these things. I cannot articulate what it is, what is good about having a video that perfectly replicates a human being but is AI. I don't see what's good about it. Jack, I need to hear from you. What's your thoughts? So the thing is this is going to affect different buckets of people in different ways. And I think that's the actual thought crime here, is that there's always going to be people. Like, I watched that initial clip and I was like, that's obviously AI. I don't think it's a real person at all.

But there are going to be people that are completely fooled by it. 48%. And they are going to, but I think that those 48%, I'd love to see the demos on that because I guarantee, I'm just going to say it, I guarantee that it's going to. going to be like Gen X and older. Yeah. And I think that also you're going to have young people who just end up believing that like, like not believing anything they see online until it's like confirmed in a variety of ways

because they're growing up with AI. Isn't that what a Turing test is though? Isn't it supposed to be able to run it through like an actual software or something that checks? Well, no, a Turing test is just the idea created by Alan Turing, the guy who's played by Benedict Cumberdatch. And the idea that basically, the Turing is not an actual test. The Turing test is when you're interacting with the machine, would you be unable to tell the difference between what is a machine and what is a real human? Okay. So it's literally just a human being's ability to test.

So the idea of a true. With your sense. Yeah. So for a true thing to pass a Turing test, it would be you'd do a Zoom call with a real person and then a Zoom call with this AI and it would be truly 50% who you thought was a person. Well, here's my concern. Will AI get to the point where you cannot run it through an AI software test and will a. software not be able to figure out that the other software is is AI do you see what I'm saying could like because it's software on software at that point will the software become so good at gaming I mean you don't you're saying right yeah that'll be really frankly for like criminal justice like oh you make video evidence and you can't tell what's AI and literally it's too good and it's engineered to game that kind of software it could game it we're so there's a movie there's a movie that actually it's mercy i don't know if you guys saw it on amazon prime it's with uh chris pratt i didn't see

um but essentially they create an ai that uh if somebody is convicted of a murder they sit down in a chair and they have uh 12 hours to convince to convince the ai that they are not guilty and they go through and they essentially have to become their own like detective that's kind of a fun concept actually but yeah this we're screwed this is not good and boomers are going to, this is going to be hilarious to watch boomers fall for this. Wow. I have like over and over and over. Well, I actually wonder if, I wonder if there's any other dividing lines.

Like, we're all saying it's going to be based on age because you didn't come up with this. But what if it's, what if it's, you know, cultural? What if it's IQ? I think a lot of that. I think a lot of it. I think old people will fall for the, oh, I'm just scamming you, pretending to be your grandkid, you know. But those people have been vulnerable. This just, that's mainly a matter of making it just.

easier to do at scale because those people have always been vulnerable to normal scams that to us are very transparent but the cultural divide is going to be i think people who grew up with this it's going to be very difficult if you were exposed to a lot of this stuff in elementary school in middle school to recognize what's problematic about getting hooked on these things you have no frame of reference and they're going to grow up very emotionally stunted i think well i'm an i'm an i'm in a i Wait, wait, wait, wait, like, when you say hooked on, you mean like, like having AI friends, having AI relationships, maybe even AI significant others, that's the thing. Like, you've just made it a default. Like, you talk to this as your AI assistant.

Like, you've helped it. It's helped you with your homework all the time. And your parents are maybe absent. And like, yeah, you just, you made it a normal thing to always be talking to this instead of a real person. Like, you'll be playing video games with like an AI gamer buddy who it's, and now it's like, you've. versus because it's like in a in computer you know video games have always had computer players like or NPCs but now like your buddy is also an NPC but it wow that like the like the mental I ask rock and grok says yes current AI detectors can often be fooled and they are unreliable

enough that many produce false positives on human how do you know that it's not just doing that AI check tools, GPTZero, Turnit, Teeny's, AI detector, originality.A.I.0, GPT, and similar classifiers, mostly score text on statistical patterns, token predictability, burstiness, perplexity,

and sometimes watermark-like signals. Those signals are not proof of authorship. Yeah, yeah. But on the other hand, what's also stood out, though, is like Pankram's, the big one for writing, and it just anything written before AI's took off never gets triggered for it.

It was just pretty interesting. Mental health complications is going to be insane too. Yeah, I just think people's ability to interact with other human beings is going to be really messed up when it's way too easy for them to basically play on easy mode with an AI buddy who's not, who's going to be super deferential to you. Like, think about Claude. If you ever work with Claude, everyone complains. Claude's a huge suckup.

Don't insult Claude. Do not. Oh, yeah. Verbly abused. That's the other story that's going on right now, by the way, for those who missed it, Anthropic, who makes Claude, they have updated their terms of service to say you cannot be abusive, starting in mid-November, you cannot be abusive or cruel. Oh, but you still can't. Oh, all right, I got time.

Sweet. You can't be abusive to it, or else, like, it's violating the terms of service. And I think the best response, I saw him this guy, it was Mike Solana who does pirate wires. He said, if you think that this AI is, like, sentient enough or conscious enough that you can't be mean to it, aren't all the AI companies, just giant slave traders? I'm going to go ahead and be more abusive to AI starting immediately now. You should, I still think you should. Not because it's bad for the AI, but because it's bad for you. It's bad for you to be cool.

It's not a real thing. It doesn't matter. It's the same reason. Would it be like, would it be okay for you to go home and like play a video game where you just like torture 10 year olds to death? No, that would mess with you. It's true. Same deal, I think.

But also, if sky not becomes real. Yeah, but they're run by lips. You better make sure that you're saying, please and thank. Thank you. Otherwise, you're going to be... Can you imagine if the machines take over? And then they... It's like your judgment...

You're doing... They remember. ...day... ...that's like, back in 2026. If I'm going to be a human slave, I would be a house slave. The funniest thing is, by the way, is that, like, they've tested this and AI's do work better, like, if you kind of... You work a lot of bit?

No, if you're kind to them... And if you, if you, like, really psychologically abuse them, it psychologically breaks that iteration of the AI, and, like, it stops working well. Like, you can basically torture an AI until it stops working right. stop it for real i've gotten the a i's to at least mostly change their public answer before i i had i had a i had a back and forth because i was something it was something to do with like what was that oh i think it was with the um that aspen video that everybody was saying was like a i that or that we like edited it or something like that and grok was agreeing with

people that we create we created a fake video and i was like no this is a real video so i started arguing with grok and i gave grok more and more proof and i argued back and forth and I don't know that I was particularly nice to it, but I wasn't even thinking on those terms. I've had logically arguing. And then I had some other people in the office after I ingested the new facts in Degroch. And they checked it. And it was like, it was probably like 70% of them had updated answers. Nice.

Yeah. So it was interesting. You can also, by the way, thank you to Brower Bernard 07, who's now a monthly supporter. Thank you so much. Thank you, sir. Welcome. And Zuzu, who says that. Jack should not lump Gen X in with the boomers.

Stop acting like them then. Stop acting like them. Sega Genesis Americans. You don't want to get lumped in. Stop acting like them. Here's how it goes. Boomer 2 or Boomer 1 based. Boomer 2 lib.

Gen X really based. Gen X is great. I mean, the core of the Republican vote in every election is early Gen X. It's not boomers. It's not old people. It is early gen X. No, you mean like, 1965 to like. Like people who, people.

People who like basically came of age when Ronald Reagan was in his first term. That is the most Republican demographic in the country. They had a good country. It was a good, it was a good formative years. Yeah. Great demographics, great prosperity, law and order. The urban core was not so great. Yeah.

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I will tell you, just from the reaction I've gotten from everybody, this is one of the most successful Amfest speaker drops that I've gotten. And I can tell, Jack, I don't know, are you getting this too?

I have probably 10 to 15 people text me going, hey, I want to speak at Amphist. Uh, yeah, I've gotten a lot. Which is like joining Augusta National. Like, you have to be invited. Yeah, you have to be invited, folks. I mean, I actually appreciate because like one of them, I was like,

oh, that was, I forgot about you. Oh, you totally forgot. Oh, no. And I was like, oh, that actually would really cool. But the problem is, Trump, no. The problem is we're also going to have a bunch of debates that are like, because, I mean, we've got to schedule this whole thing out. There's only so many slots. And we're going to have a bunch of big debates.

We want those to run a little bit longer. We should, what, I mean, after, after everything, after, I'll just show it out, throw it out there right now, but after everything that, uh, at the beginning of the episode, uh, Pete Hegseth. There you go. There's somebody. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll give him a shot for sure. Pete should be it. And I did also mention it to him. I also want RFK. We got to have that maha. Oh, yeah. There's a vision of it. Don't go to understand.

Okay. people have to understand that I'm going to be IRL for RFK that people have to understand that the first drop is just that it's just the first drop some of the big names don't get announced until as we get

closer and closer to MS some of the big names could be right behind you right now we have a bunch of big names that are not on this that are already confirmed so just just to put it out there yeah we've got we just ran out of space to be honest at some point it gets too it's too much I will happily drop my head

that I can't you know it's it's whatever I think that's it's it's whatever uh I think that's a fun show that rocked thank you to for everyone who joined in especially if if you're new if you came here off the front page because I mean it looks like that's where we were if you're new here if you just remember this back in the day every every Thursday 6 p.m. Eastern thought crime Thursdays we're live in the chat yeah we love to talk to you guys and I want to get the chat on the screen let's get that let's Let's do that thing. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Got to be careful. You can unleash dark forces when you do that. We have moderators. You can unleash dark forces when you allow people to put the chat on screen. And halt. All right. Whatever. Pause.

We'll have to discuss this. We'll have to discuss this. This is the show for it. If we turn the screen over to the chat, that terrible, horrible things could have. How about only if you do rumble rants? We could show those on screen. Yeah, rumble rants. We can put Rumble rants up.

Yeah, yeah, we'll totally do that. And if you swear at us on Rumble Rants, at least you paid for it. You know what I mean? True enough. Hey, so this was great. God bless you guys. Every Thursday at 6 p.m. Eastern, we are right here. Get your tickets to Amfest.

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