The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 81 — Money For Moms? Dark Woke? AI Factories?

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

Charlie, Jack, Tyler, and Blake dig into the week's biggest topics, including: -Are $5,000 baby bonuses a worthwhile way to boost America’s birthrate?-Are American young people too clueless to hold a factory job?-What the heck is “dark woke?”Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Happy Thought Crime Thursday. We are here with Blake, with Tyler. And is Jack in the community yes he is community what community is that this is the community of thought criminals the Maryland man community of thought criminals everyone's a community now you get a community

and you get a community that sounds like a like you know League of Extraordinary Gentlemen so we now know the community of thought criminals yes no it's it's great I like to see see this with like intelligence community i think they were one of the first we need to like get deeper into that the the oil and gas community the like criminal community the everything's a community now what is our first topic our first topic is baby bonuses charlie so this came up earlier this week.

It's sort of just reporting on different rumors and ideas under consideration in the White House. But basically, the White House is considering how do we encourage people to have children? How do we raise America's average number of kids per family? And one of the ideas that was thrown out was to have a $5,000 baby bonus for every American mother after she gives birth. They asked Trump about it on Tuesday and he responded, sounds like a good idea to me. But is it a good idea, Charlie? I don't know. Jack, what do you think? So yeah, this is one of those things where, you know, it's been tried in Poland. It's been tried in Hungary.

I want to say other parts of Asia may have tried this. And it's really seen limited success. There's still been issues with the birth rates in many of these countries. And also, you know, I'm just going to say it. America has more of an issue with, you know, sort of the baby mama syndrome than some of these other, you know, Eastern European countries do. And I worry that if you don't put the right kind of conditions on something like this, then you you just kind of create that situation all over again. Yeah. So I think Hungary has actually stabilized the decline, if I'm not mistaken. It's gone up. So I'm looking at the numbers right in front of me. They have like they spend, I think, seven percent of GDP on pro family policy.

I mean, it's an extraordinary investment. They measure it. They have a whole bureau of it in Hungary. It is a robust Marshall. And there's playgrounds everywhere. When you go around in Budapest, it's like every corner there's a new playground or something's going on and they have like kids sections in the in the restaurant in poland as well it's amazing to see what a pro family country like a pro child country actually looks like and then you start asking questions about yourselves like wait a minute is our country pro family or are we actually kind of like an anti-child country? And because in many ways we don't make accommodations for children in this country.

Now, what I would like to flag, though, is so I'm looking at, I just sent you a chart, you guys a chart. So we've got, I just plugged in Hungary fertility rate. Fertility rate is average number of births per woman. And it auto-generated with the magic of AI. It gave us a chart for Hungary. It gave us one for Poland. And it gave us one for czechia the czech republic uh and it's worth looking at this where hungary is actually so they bottomed out in 2010 at about 1.23 that's very low and they've raised it they got it up to about 1.61 right when COVID hit and it dropped off to 1.52 in 2020.

So there's some fluctuation. It's a slight increase. It has gone up, but it's worth flagging. But they stopped the decrease. Yeah, but it's worth flagging. They're consistently, over the past decade, they're consistently behind Czechia. And that's an interesting comparison

because the Czechs are one of the least religious countries in the world by survey. They are basically at rock bottom in religious observance no uh they have vietnamese a few of them but yeah it's an old communist cold war thing they brought in north vietnamese through an exchange program so you find these vietnamese markets in the czech republic but so they just they have consistently been a bit ahead and they follow a very similar pattern which is worth flagging that they bottom out around the same point they similarly have a bit of a rise in the 2010s and then they similarly

fall right after covid hits so hungary did reverse their decline but it's also worth saying did they reverse the decline because of their policies or is there a wider social thing going on because they border there are i'm not sure if they border them but they're very close to the czechs and like culturally historically they have a lot of similar inputs going into that and they're following a pretty similar pattern and i think with the 5 000 baby bonus you kind of run into what i think is the reality which is you can do things to encourage bigger families but the stuff that you can do that would actually work is it's like not within the overton window of what a democracy could do like if you gave women a million dollars per birth like you just had a nationwide elon musk policy it'd probably work but we couldn't do that hungary

has new things they've done too you know they have no income tax at all for any woman that has babies that like if you have more than three kids i think you pay no tax for the rest of your life you should do that we should we we should do that we just have to cut spending well okay but like i for any woman that has babies. Like if you have more than three kids, I think you pay no tax for the rest of your life. You should do that. We should, we, we should do that. We just have to cut spending. Well, okay. But like, I, I, I, I, I'm just saying, you know,

you're, you're going to get different. You're going to get different outcomes than hungry. Well, well, yeah, you're going to get different outcomes, but here, here's what I think. I think we should do things that are pro. Uh, I, I, We had talked about this before. I think maybe on here it was talking about getting rid of taxes on costs for moms. So diapers, things like that. I think that's been proposed.

I'm not mistaken. But that type of work, too, is like, I mean, there's things that you can do in addition to a bonus, the baby bonus, just like straight cash. Because I think the straight cash, I don't know if there's anyone that's done extensive research on that, but the street cash does seem like it's a really bad idea. Yeah. Well, it's kind of the line is five thousand dollars. Like you think who is the person you're envisioning who is tipped from having into having an additional kid by a one-time bonus of $5,000. And to be blunt, it's probably not the sort of kids that we need to have more of because what's really hollowing out in the U.S. and what's really driving the birth rate down is people who are in what you might say

like the responsible middle class are the ones who feel the most constricted about having kids. People on the lowest end somewhat impulsively have kids and they don't work terribly hard at raising them. And people who are very, very high income, you know, making multiple millions of dollars a year can effectively afford to have as many kids as they want. And they actually do have more kids as a result. But I think the absolute rock bottom of fertility, the people who have the lowest number of kids, are people who are maybe 75th, 80th, 85th percentile in income, where they're the ones who care a lot about having kids responsibly. Okay, don't have kids till you get married and make sure you can give each of them the

lifestyle that you think a kid should have and you can give them the proper amount of resources. Those are the ones who are absolute rock bottom those are the ones who you would want presumably to raise the most too because those are the kids who kind of make your country able to succeed it is a problem in america if the upper middle class specifically cannot reproduce itself if it's going extinct you are burning up the human capital of your country when people who make the best parents, probably, are not having kids anymore. I mean, I do respect, first of all, President Trump embracing this because we should want

another baby boom. And I want to just read off some things, though, to defend Hungary, though. Abortions went down 41 percent since their their pro-family policy 41 percent that's a marriage rates nearly doubled since 2010 the fertility rate was at its lowest at 1.23 you're right uh then it's about 1.5 but it's still below replacement level so we'll see if it can climb up there overall i i think something should be tried because we are seeing a massive population collapse, a fertility crisis in the West. Does anyone else have any other ideas? I mean, one thing that's interesting, a country that's not a democracy that is trying to do this.

China, actually. So China stands for the one child policy. The one child policy is dead. They has been for a while. So for a long time, the assumption of Chinese authorities was, OK, we had this one child policy because we were overpopulated. You had to get the birth rate down, they believed. And so they thought, oh, as soon as we get rid of this, it'll just come back is what they thought. And what made them freak out is they started dialing back the one child policy and there was no rise. There was no actual increase in childbirths. Instead, they looked over and they were following the same path as south korea where south korea is at it's bad 0.7 you're talking koreans ceasing to

exist as an ethnic group in 100 years at that sort of birth rate and so china is also introducing a lot of stuff to encourage this and they're not a democracy so they can be more aggressive and you see things like you just have the government come out and really aggressively, like with just outright propaganda, say like, we're going to promote this marriage and childbirth culture. And they're also targeting things. One thing we've noticed in the West is people aren't pairing off as easily. People aren't going out.

They're not meeting people as much. So China does things like they say, kids are staying inside and they're not meeting people as much so china does things like they say kids are staying inside and they're playing too many video games okay we're going to make it so kids can only play video games for three designated hours of the week like one out yeah i don't know how strictly it's enforced but in 2021 they had a law where if you're under 18 i think basically you could do it i'm not sure the exact time but it was one hour on Friday night, one hour on Saturday, one hour on Sunday night. And that's when you're allowed to play online video games in China.

If you're not an adult, they had a huge, like a video game addiction problem in China. This was something where like, they even had like, like rehab centers where families could send their kids because they were too addicted to online games. And I don't mean like, you know, you're playing on your phone a little bit i mean like

you're literally on for yeah there were kids yeah yeah it's a huge thing in asia yeah so so it just i want to it's really interesting i looked this up what do you guys think the birth rate the fertility rate for white women in america is uh the nationwide one is like 1.6 i think so i'd say probably 1.4 yeah it's 1.51 which amazingly is not that far off from hungary with all of these policies yeah it's actually kind of miraculous it's you look at this now hispanic women by far have the highest fertility rate. Then black women, then white women. It's Hispanic, like two and a half?

Yeah. So the way that they, this is a separate index, but Hispanic women is 64.4 per 1,000. I don't really know how they tabulate it. That's like the crude birth rate, I believe. So the most fertile is Hispanic women. No surprise there. Then black women, and then black women and then white women are basically tied and then by far the least and you had to explain this one but it goes back is asians asians asians by far have like the least demonic well asians are in the u.s

they're higher income they're more urbanized that i mean they're tracking what is happening in asian countries as well but i remember though, like in elementary school, I always remember all my Asian friends were like only children. Maybe they had a brother or sister almost always. It's gotta be a cultural thing. I mean, I will say though, just anecdotally though,

I will say that the most, I think that having more kids is coming back in style with the more Christian you are. At least anecdotally, would you agree, Jack, that there is a three-plus push? And maybe, again, full disclosure, I very well might just be around wealthy people that can afford having three, four, five kids. But unfortunately, having children has become a luxury item. Let me say it this way. Having more than two kids is a luxury item in America. It is expensive.

It's like objectively expensive. And it takes a lot of time. And so, but Jack, I am seeing a resurgence where I think that the baby boomers, I'm a child of baby boomers. It was like, I'll have one of each. Where now it's like, no, I might have two, three, four, or even five. And go ahead. One of the, you know, I guess thought crimes on this could also be that the math for both parents working actually drops off as you increase children, right? So having one kid in daycare, okay, not super expensive.

Now, all of a sudden you've got two kids in daycare. Now it is getting really expensive. Three kids, four kids. Now, wait a minute. You have all these kids in daycare. Suddenly, you're spending more on daycare than that second job, that second income for a dual income trap because we both want to go out of the house and work, but we're actually not making enough money to have this many kids. So why would we be able to do that if we want to have more kids? You know what I'm saying? So it actually prevents you from having more kids because of the exorbitant cost of daycare. And so that's why J.D. Vance talked about this at great length during the campaign, as we all know, that that's why to him making it so that you could live as a family on a single income would actually help better for family formation because then you've got one parent that can stay home with multiple children. You don't have to put your kids into daycare because it isn't a situation where both parents are forced to work. So for the last 2000 years, there was an assumption that having children was something that everyone wanted.

There was an assumption that when in reality, it's not true. It's that sex is what everyone would want, that children are actually a value. You would think that the birth rate would have skyrocketed after COVID. Everyone's sitting at home. The birth rate went down after COVID, amazingly. Having children is a value. If you do not have a worldview. We had a COVID baby. Well, you had one, Jack?

We did, too. That's awesome. We did have a COVID baby, yep. If you do not have a worldview that prioritizes having children, your society will not have children. Well, I think the biggest thing that would have driven it down during COVID is most people have their children probably relatively early in their relationships. They marry, they have their kids, and then 30 years after that,

they raise those kids and grow old. And what COVID really did is it exacerbated, I think the biggest driver of this, which is people are not getting married. People are not meeting each other. People are not pairing off. No, no, no. Hear me out, though.

I'm saying, though, that we did not have a New York City blackout effect. So there's almost a one to one, for example, when New York City would have a blackout. Nine months later, there would be a slight increase in the fertility rate. Right. That went during a blizzard in Chicago. Nine months later, you would have a slight increase in the fertility rate. People were locked down amongst one another for about 60 to 90 days minimum, and we saw no increase.

Wait, wait, is this why Charlie likes cold showers so much? Charlie, is this why you like cold showers so much? Is there like a connection here? I think there's actually an explanation for that though, Charlie. Remember when we went through on here and we showed how people meet each other? And because the online dating, there was nowhere for anyone to go like so

it used to be you know you would meet people and other things like that so now unfortunately a single parenthood is so high you know fertility rates are probably are not accompanied by marriage uh as much today you probably didn't have as much of it like if if covid would have happened in the 50s you probably would have seen a huge spike without a doubt i just like now it's like people were basically trapped alone because they don't meet and they don't have meaningful relationships anyways and then plus the entire uh the entire lobby that that prevents you know pregnancy to begin with so will the baby boom work you know you know what, you know, pregnancy to begin with. So will the baby boom work?

You know, you know, what's, you know, what's interesting about this. I always talk about it is, um, do you guys remember the movie? Um, uh, it's a wonderful life, like the Christmas movie, you know, that one. And they go into like, he, you know, not, I'm not going to read that. I get the whole thing, but it's like, they go into the, the nightmare version of the world. If George Bailey had never lived and he goes into two you when it says i want to see my wife i want to see mary and he's you know he's being walked through and it's sort of a dickensian kind of

take on things and and they say oh you don't want to see your wife george you don't want to see what happened to mary and he and he goes what happened i need to see it i need to see it and he goes all right fine i'll show you but it's really bad and he goes george she's a spinster she never married she never had children she's closing up the local library and she's like in her 30s and so there's something that's changed in american culture where that was considered nightmarish and like incredibly backwards in the 1940s uh you know, during World War II, essentially. And the word spinster, the idea of social shame around this was seen as a really, really bad outcome.

Whereas these days they say, oh, you know, go and get your master's in library affairs, go get your MLA or whatever. And that's considered this great good. And then they tell you to not even have kids. You put off family formation until your thirties, late thirties, et cetera. And suddenly we wonder why there's low fertility rates. What policies would potentially work? Again, I'm interested in some, I think that if we can, okay, let's just, if we can radically cut spending, right, then I would be open to the idea to say no income tax if you are married.

Now, understand Hungary also says you must remain married. Not just have kids. It is you stay in the marriage. Yes. This is not just like baby mama stuff. I mean, in terms of who we would want. After a third year of marriage, you get it. Who we would want to have kids, a pretty, like, imagine if you just radically increase the money, but it had to come with like a low time preference for it. We will give you $100,000 for a kid, $150,000, but it will only be five years from now and you still have to be married. You have to be married to the person when the child is born and married to the same person

continuously yeah you can't like five years later or how about 10 years at what was like a pension no a pension a marriage thank you you get it when you retire something like that there's so yeah like you you want to actually emphasize giving it to low time preference people people who will make good long-term decisions because what we've seen is a lot of people have decided that the good long-term decision is not having kids but ultimately anything that's reducing it to purely an economic thing i think is missing what drives this a lot of this is just a cultural value man i'm thinking about just the number of people i know i say with the movies

yeah like the number of people i know who only have one kid or two kids basically just because the mom doesn't like having kids as much they're like they didn't like being pregnant they don't want to be pregnant again one or two is enough and it was that gradual i think it's a gradual transition i know like among mormons you'll hear a lot where it's okay my grandparents had eight or nine kids a piece my parents had four to six kids a piece and now you know good mormons are having two to three kids a piece and maybe you know the next generation will be having zero to 1.8 kids a piece and it's that big it's sort of the breakdown of what your normal environment is if everyone around you is normally having six kids the normal thing to do is to have six kids and you see that gradual slide away so you'd almost have to say like in

china where i mentioned where they're doing these things a lot of what china does is just propaganda it's the government coming out and saying the person who has six kids is better than you the person who has the most kids is a better citizen than you are and if we're just wildly throwing around ideas that will never happen because we're not allowed to have cool ideas here you'd almost say like what if you could only vote if you were like if you are a married couple with a kid you can vote and also vote your kids vote but actually you can't vote if oh you get an extra vote you get an extra vote you get an extra vote if you're not married you can't you can't vote if you're just a single person. Oh, you get an extra vote. You get an extra vote. And also, like, if you're not married, you can't vote. Sorry. You're not a full citizen. That would be

an idea. I love the extra vote idea. It's sort of like, you know, in that old Heinlein novel, Starship, the actual book Starship Troopers, service means citizenship. I'd love to see a map. Citizenship requires service, whatever the slogan was. It gets to be like...

Yeah, citizenship requires sex having. Citizens citizenship requires service, whatever the slogan was. It gets to be like. Yes, citizenship. Citizenship requires sex having. Requires service, yeah. And no, we know that married couples always tend to vote more conservative. And certainly when people get older, as they have kids, they do tend to be more conservative. So generally as a movement, that is something that we should be pushing and also something that we should be pushing in terms of the country. You know, we don't want to be a country where we're forced to, you know, hollow out our population replacement by replacing them with like like like prior, you know, more immigrants, which is what we've been doing

since the 1970s, essentially, and saying, oh, well, you know, who's going to do these jobs? Let's open the floodgates. And that's created all these other problems. But, you know, my GDP go up, my shareholder value go up, and people are all upset about it. This is also because, by the way, we now have a much lower trust society. So those social shaming campaigns don't necessarily work as well, because we don't have a society that generally trusts you know the government and the institutions this is something that you know people attack us for all the time they say we are the cause of it but no we're not the like like like you know those of us on this program like we're not the cause of that society is the cause of that that's why people don't trust anything that's why i don't trust institutions anymore

and when you do have that more that more of a low trust society then guess what you're gonna have less kids although if i remember correctly there is um and blake you probably know better than me isn't there a correlation between birth rates going up and like warfare um probably historically i'm not sure about more recently uh like yeah like that's an argument it's definitely an argument for why for example israel has a notably high fertility rate uh like they're still above three and some of that some of that is they have ultra orthodox but it's not just that secular jews have a high birth rate so let me ask you guys a question in the families where let's just say there's not as many kids. Do you think that the father wants more kids and the mom doesn't?

Do you think in my experience, the dad or the father kind of does want more kids, but obviously respects that it's both decisions. The point being is, is motherhood a virtue that women care about anymore? I can't say I don't. I definitely, I've definitely seen the example of dad wants more and mom puts

brakes on it I think that I know more men than women I I think that's a majority of the case and again it's obviously both their decision I'm not even criticizing it but I hear from women on campus that's a better way let me let me address it that way women on campus. That's a better way. Let me address it that way. Women on campus think that motherhood is a great burden. They think that if I have to go through it to get my genes, fine, continuing, but it's really awful and it's really terrible. Whereas the prior generation looked at it as something, not just something that they really should do to continue the species but they get to do and there's a lot of reasons for that um and i don't know i just think that women right now think very negatively about pregnancy and they think very negatively about motherhood well based off the outcomes

that we've seen with the recent elections and the polling that's happening, that has to go hand in hand. We look at why middle class college educated women have shifted so far left that and we know what their viewpoints are on family. We know what their viewpoints are on on feminism. We know what their viewpoints are on sexuality. We know what their viewpoints are on conservative ideals, on religion. They have to go hand in hand. And so I think that's what's becoming more transparent in politics today is now that we're seeing very clearly, it's like, well, you know, if things are going wrong in America, you know, it's probably that one outlier category and the one outlier category that exists on every poll today is that it's white college educated women are the ones that are so far distant from every single other category even like black females are closer to white men on ideology than white women are to white men on ideology that's crazy and And that alone is the thing

that we probably don't talk about enough in like reviewing the election and everything else. That has a cultural effect that's so bad for I think white relationships. And when you talk about Caucasian relationships, the United States, that's the fracturing of society. And it would be no different than, you know, in a, in a majority black, uh, community in, in Africa,

having such separation between female and male males on something. But we're talking about a complete ideological split between males and females happening in America right now that are white. And so you cannot expect, I completely agree with you. I think it's men probably are, not probably, are for sure the likely side that wants to have more kids than women because of the direction they're going. You know, one of the biggest lies being sold to American people right now

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Let's go to the next topic. Ah, how about the trolley problem? We have very strong discussions of that. This is the video out of Oakland. Or do we want to talk about White Woke? We could do one of those. Do White Woke. Oh, Dark Woke.

Dark Woke. That's what it was. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. White Woke. Yeah. Dark Woke. woke we could do one of those uh do white woke oh oh dark woke dark okay yeah yeah dark woke uh so dark woke is the new neologism we discussed this on the show today so it's basically they're like these aren't your old democrats these new democrats are edgy and provocative and they say not nice things they are dark whoa yeah this is their this is their new wrinkle yes and so like let's play the tape here yeah this is a new montage of democrats embracing dark woke play cut 289 this is what kicking out of fascism looks like i think i can kick most of the... I do. Somebody slap me and wake me up, because I'm ready to get on with it.

Total bull... Absolute bull... Once you get successful, don't be a greedy... Pay your taxes. If you could speak directly to Elon Musk, what would you say? I guess dark woke is just that Democrats say swear words. Just swearing all the time. I said swear words before.

I guess they're just cursing. Yeah. They're literally just cursing. That's all it is. Okay. So we'll read from the New York Times article. This is the New York Times article. This came out earlier this week.

And so this is one of the takes from Bhavik Lathia, a communications consultant with the Wisconsin Democrat Party. Republicans have essentially put Democrats in a respectability prison there is an extreme imbalance in strategy that allows republicans to say stuff that really grabs voters attentions while we're stuck saying boring pablum i see this as a strategic shift within democratic messaging i'm a big fan of dark woke and so is this like a playoff of dark brandon or like dark maga it's a dark brandon came out of dark maga please which was basically i read it was a dark brand doing dark brandon came after dark maga though yeah so i think what they're trying to and i said this on the show they think that if they act kind of more like trumpy they're gonna be okay but the laws of

trump do not apply to other people yeah and i'm not even sure if like the particular like weird dark stuff has ever worked like well around in 2022 there was dark maga stuff and it didn't end as strongly as we kind of thought it would not at all charlie we're seeing this online so our team is actually seeing where the left is pushing bernie sanders and aoc as populists i've been predicting this the whole so they this is so that we're seeing this in multiple places yesterday actually one of our staffers got in a debate with somebody about whether or not uh i can't remember where it was but somebody posted like this is our brand of populism so i'll just admit i just feel like i like this is one of those things where

do you ever feel now that you're over 30 that like you realize there's no new news stories yeah it's just kind of all repurposed so they're like wow the democrats like yeah now this new generation of democrats they're not afraid to be nasty okay in 2017 there was this whole pattern where they would go and find trump admin officials in restaurants and scream at them. And so they had to leave Sanders at the chicken restaurant. It happened to her. It happened to a few others. I think Ted Cruz got chased out.

I remember. Was one of them. I remember. I got chased out with you last year. Well, I was before I would say that was before everyone. Tyler and I got chased out of a breakfast restaurant in Philadelphia with Candace Owens by Antifa at 7 a.m.

By the way, that's a breakfast restaurant. You know what? I need to think it was really good, by the way. It wasn't a good. Yeah, we had to leave our breakfast. I know. This is incredible. Tyler had waffles or something.

I always eat waffles. I feel like point in my life. Admittedly, it's never happened to me. I sometimes would visualize this. Like when I was with Tucker, I was like, OK, what if I'm with Tucker? This happens. The story was really funny. And I would just refuse to leave. I would like i'm not no we did at first it became

this whole thing well the funny the funny part about this was this was like you know candace had just barely become like kind of had some notoriety post the kanye stuff so like nobody it wasn't like she was like a known household name at that point. But what had happened was the place that we had picked just happened. It's Philadelphia, right? It was at the end of their anti-police protest. It was. Yeah, they were just happy to rally Antifa like right outside our window. All night.

And they were ending an all night. They turned around and we're just like there. They're like, wait, that's I think that's Charlie. You can see them like looking it up on their phones. Like, that's good. They couldn't believe like their like luck that we happened to be eating breakfast right where they were. We got so much mileage out of that. It was Green Eggs Cafe.

Green Eggs Cafe, that's right. By the way, I'm going back to Philadelphia, I think, later this week. I have to stop by there. I might go back. That was a really good place. Green Eggs Cafe on Locust Street. I think they had a couple of them. Those poor people were so nice.

Was it Locust Street or Dick's? They had a couple. No, it was definitely one on Locust Street. It was right had a couple of them. Those poor people were like, they were so nice. Is it Locust Street or Dick's? They have a couple. No, it's definitely one on Locust Street. It was right near Drake. Were you in Center City? It was right near the university. It was right near the university, which would be,

I think it was, regardless. Which university? Temple? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, this is the one. Yeah, Green Eggs Cafe. It was Green Eggs Cafe,

and it was delicious. I got to tell you. Tyler, I think this is what you ordered. This is literally what you ordered. This is like this, this like velvet was delicious. I got to tell you. Tyler, I think this is what you ordered. This is literally what you ordered. This is like this velvet pancake calorie. I don't eat that now. That looks disgusting. No, Tyler ordered this.

It doesn't look like red velvet. It looks like a chunk of flesh. He ordered like a cake. That looks like it was just cut out of a dead cow. What in the world? Yeah, this is it. I'm looking right at it on the map this is it was right downtown there that's so funny and remember all the police officers were all black

and all the the antifa people were white and they were like like like spitting and like it was getting up in your face all the black police officers were like like they got involved and were like like body slamming and were like like body slamming and they're like piping them down everything was so funny yeah philly cops don't mess around oh yeah it was great so for dark woke what can we expect oh we could imagine we could imagine things that have never happened before among democrats they might they might target random people who aren't famous and just make giant villains of them on the internet and like try to blow up their lives they could get people fired from their jobs because of like things that

they just said a decade ago there's like so many unprecedented things that dark woke could do they could they could lock people up and deny them due process and deny them a hearing and file all sorts of extraneous charges on them for years until the Supreme Court finally steps in and shuts it down. I mean, gosh, could you imagine, imagine if the Democrats started doing that? They could kick you out of the military for not taking an experimental vaccine. They could kick you out of polite society. They could restrict your travel rights if you attended a protest and were there peacefully on January 6th, 2021. Could you imagine? Could you imagine if they were censoring your free speech rights? Could you imagine if they were kicking you, you know, taking your children away

from you because you didn't want them to be transgenderized and they would put them into other states with your, you know, ex- ex spouse and then allow them to be transgenderized. Could you imagine if the Democrats did such things? I think this is a I will say that I don't I don't I don't want to keep saying I don't want to keep on giving Democrats advice. Just do this. I'm not going to tell you what to do. Next segment. All righty. OK, well, now, you know, make make Jasmine Crockett. I literally do that. Show me where to donate. I will raise you money, Jasmine Crockett. We have a donor event next weekend.

I will raise you $10 million. The Jasmine Crockett for presidency super pack. I will chair it. Free of charge. Don't make Jasmine Crockett the face of it. Please, no. Do the opposite. Okay, I will not tell you my actual advice.

Next. Okay, so now we're going into the Oakland thing already. I need to get the number on that video. But we discussed this. So this happened in the Bay Area, and we had a very strong reaction on Twitter about it. It's a clip just to set up what people are going to see or hear. It's a guy who apparently fell onto the tracks in Oakland,

and no one helps him out. And they said without phones. We've got to also talk about the Florida State shooter. With the Starbucks. Oh, we have both? Okay, we'll get to both of those. Let's do the Oakland one first. You want to come out about the Florida State shooter with the Starbucks. Oh, we have both. Okay, we'll get to both those Let's do the open with the Florida State. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. Let's first do number 300 play that please So did he die no, I got him out he could finally crawl them some other train stop miraculously But it's like this is a bad trend. It's a homeless They got him out. He finally crawled himself. The train stopped. Miraculously. This is a bad trend.

It's a homeless guy. Area TV. Homeless white guy. Now, I think you even see him. He kind of gets out there. Yeah, he finally gets out. And he's like, why did you guys help me? Well, so a thing you can clearly tell looking at him is he's clearly gets out and he's like why did you go tell me well so a thing you can clearly tell looking at him is he's clearly not well at all no he's a he's a drug addict yeah like

he's clearly high as a kite so yeah what i would say is kind of my take is trying to help him would be a heroic thing but i sort of can't blame people for not immediately taking action at that moment where he's floundering i don't know if i agree you could stick out one hand yeah at least so easy to get pulled in though that guy's that guy's pretty big i mean you're dead wrong 200 pounds i disagree though i think one hand i you could also really if he's trying to pull you in like well so you know how they train with like lifeguards for example with drowning victims you have to hit them well yeah but also like you do not go try to save someone

from drowning. If you are not ironclad certain, you will not drown yourself. Like, if you have a flotation device that you can be tethered to, if you can have, like, or, like, it's good to throw something, but, like, you generally, they say,

you do not jump in after a drowning victim. Okay, how about this? Do you film this? Yeah, that's probably bad. The universal practice of just pulling out. You don't, because, like, what you can do is, this person who's recording, after a drowning victim. Do you film this? Yeah, that's probably bad. The universal practice of just pulling out. What you can do is, this person who's recording, I don't think we know enough in the video to say whether or not what we would have done.

I think the gut reaction of filming it is morbid. I think the video, if I'm not mistaken, maybe I'm wrong, I haven't watched it since we dropped in the chat. I think that people are kind of jeeringering them a little bit aren't they aren't they like like jeering at him a little bit i wouldn't say i think people are like shouting i highly doubt anyone's i don't think anybody was like oh my gosh no you can do it like that's the other thing too is like you could be running up

to him be like you know i can't grab you but like come on just put your leg up like giving him instructions like nobody was even trying to help the guy they were like kind of like mocking him a little bit with the with the video it is a bad trend we are seeing where people are just filming bad stuff that's happened by the way did we ever find out the person who at florida state university was the person with the starbucks with that girl that got shot i don't think we do we have how did that not become how did that not become a multiple day national news story? It's only B-roll. Let's play 314.

That's the memory holding of this is like really creepy and bizarre. So here's what's happening. On podcast, there's a person sipping a Starbucks filming while one of her classmates is shot on the ground dying. And she's filming it with Starbucks in hand, sipping it literally just took a drink of Starbucks. And more shots are going off so weird about yeah what's so bizarre about this to me is i feel like i would be running for my life in the shooting this whole thing that this is one of the weirdest i thought it was ai i thought this was fake yeah i remember you said this is not real no one knows who this person is this is a very disturbing trend and in both these cases thankfully they lived there's going to be

somebody that dies and someone just films it the entire time they just film it that's right that well i i actually follow a whole reddit about this you follow this weird dark stuff it's not dying elevators yeah a little bit really does tyler's constantly like i know every time i get an elevator now i'm like oh, oh, Tyler thinks I'm going to die or something. I'm telling you, elevators, you could die. You could die. It's just not good. You have to know the ways that – You said that to me the other day when I tried to call you.

This is why. It is interesting that we don't seem to know who it came from because presumably – That's what I'm saying. Most of these videos, these are only available because someone uploaded it. It's from their own phone. It's very brief. So you almost wonder, like, did someone act – like someone act like you know on facebook you can just go live it's you almost wonder what did someone accidentally tap the go live button and then unlive themselves and now it's become this

huge thing so that's why we were discussing it like how should we blow it up more and i was saying i'm always very wary of taking any four second clip and exploding it because the truth is is you don't know what's going on before that video or after that video but it is very odd i'd say the biggest easiest takeaway is the automatic impulse of anything is happening i'm going to pull out my phone and record it and it gets two different angles not helping someone when you should help them but also recording when you really should be exercising basic self-preservation uh because you get people who obviously are putting themselves in danger or actively inhibiting you know an evacuation or something that needs to be done

because they're just recording it with their phone it's uh well it's a very jarring modern reality well this is why i was saying i read it i follow this one thing called why were they filming and it's all a bunch of like why does this person have their phone out and filming what's going on and they catch crazy stuff that happens on there there is i i think an entire like i think these people it's like a almost video game ask where they don't have any fear for their life they don't have any fear for you know maybe they feel so valueless that their their only value is what they capture on their phone like the same way that what they ingest on their phone i'm looking the number one i think that i was just gonna say no i i would disagree with that

in a sense that i don't think it's that it's that it's internalized i don't think they're externalizing anything i think that because of the, it's the algorithm, right? The algorithm, uh, rewards and dopamine rewards, whatever goes viral, whatever's the hottest thing, whatever's the next content. So because all of us have social media, I'm sure we're all victims of it here or guilty of it here. Uh, even Blake is a Tik TOK star and, um, you know, we all, you know, we all think like, okay, hey, this is going to be great content. This is going to be great on, you know, whatever your social media choice is? And so rather than directly interface with that, we always take that extra step back to think, how will others look at this if we then go and film it? So I think we've rewired all of people's brains. This is why I

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So that's about 86,000, I think it's 86,400 phones a day. It operates in darkness because it doesn't need any humans at it. So they don't need light. And it, yeah, pumps out a phone every second. And they have some, the Chinese company that designed it has some, like, creepy, ominous, dystopian video future. And it would all be in Chinese. I mean, so how many seconds are there in a day?

68,000 seconds? 86,400. 86,000 seconds? Yep. Okay. So how many phones does Apple currently produce a day? They probably have to produce way more than that a day, right? Let me think.

Let's search annual iPhone sales. They sell units sold. They sell 232 million phones in 23. How many? 232 million. I'm sorry, 232 million. Yes, worldwide. Okay, so wait.

Hold on. That means that they have to produce a lot more than one a second. They have to produce like 1,000 a second. Yeah, so one a second for a whole year would be about 30 million. I'm sorry. Yeah, of course. You have to scale it out. So they have to.

So, but is this for Apple or is this for some other company? I believe it's just a different Chinese company. China has some very strong smartphone makers. Oh, that's not my question. So Jack in China, what phone does Lao Bai Jing, the people of China use? What hardware do they use? Probably either Xiaomi or Huawei. So they don't use Apple. lao bai jing the people of china use what hardware do they use uh probably either xiaomi xiaomi or huawei so they don't use apple obviously the biggest they don't use that and i mean in addition

in addition to apple no is app are apple devices used by mainland chinese yeah they are but they're they're typically considered like luxury items they're they're usually bought abroad as opposed to bought domestically okay so i just dropped in the chat it's 500 000 a day iphone at the foxconn factory in china 500 000 a day and then it's uh 350 000 employees it's crazy to make 500 000 a day and this is no employee yeah so this is yeah this was a xiaomi factory do you think this is all hype or do you think this is real i think it's real so this is where this is kind of why we wanted to discuss it is i think because everyone tells me it's hype blah blah it's cope well it's definitely cope uh so the thing is is you often get the take of china that china succeeds in manufacturing because they are it's slave labor you'll come in here it's sweatshop labor they just beat us on cost

that is not accurate anymore and it's actually become less accurate super quickly like the difference between the china of 2028 you know 17 years ago when they hosted the olympics size 20 2008 2008 beijing olympics to today massive gap in what china is like or even even just five years ago. Five years ago, China exported almost no cars. Now they're the largest car exporter in the world. And it's because they dominate in electric cars specifically. China also is the

they install in a given year, they install about half of all robots that are used in a factory setting. And this pervades a ton of things. So for like 5G, when you hear about 5g what do you think about russia really i think about towers okay like cell yeah exactly or people think about like oh you know cell phone radiation is going to give them brain cancer whatever 5g is

actually not just about cell phones one of the biggest things about 5g is you can use it to interface a billion robots in your factory and have them all be super reliable and they're getting a super reliable signal and you can have your entire factory be so much more advanced and complicated and all of that. And when I say that, we talk about America re-industrializing

and I think a lot of people they have this nostalgic vision of what manufacturing is and they're like, oh, it was so cool when America had steel plants and this guy could go in with a hard hat and work in his steel plant for 40 hours a week and he would make this middle class income and have a wife and his 2.7 kids and i'm not sure if people totally realize what manufacturing is at this point and what it would mean to bring it back to america and it's sort of yeah let me read something from a top top businessman i'm not going to say who but you guys would all know the name and i want you to say what it would mean to bring it back to America. And it's sort of... Yeah, let me read something from a top, top businessman.

I'm not going to say who, but you guys would all know the name. And I want you to say, because actually this was part of a group chat. I'm on like 900 group chats. And this video got popped up. Someone put it in there and said, quote, America does not have enough people. China has four times our population. Continues by saying, China is extremely automated, so much more so than America.

Labor costs are not low in China. What they have are a very large-scale number of hardworking engineers and factory managers. Exactly. So do you agree with all that? Do you think we don't have enough people? I don't think it's number of people. A lot of it is what those people learn. And it's sort of that China made a – it's taken decades to get to this point so it's that in

China it's prestigious to run a factory it's prestigious to be good at the stuff that goes into designing a factory you could make a good living you can make a good living but all it's just it is truly prestigious whereas even if you wanted to own like let's say you wanted to grow up and be a chemicals manufacturer in America. Charlie, how do you become a chemicals manufacturer in America? I don't really know. What degree do you get? Where do you go to school? There's also no – if you tell that to your neighbor, they're like, okay.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. There's no status. Yeah, and what's the funnel to go into it? It almost probably would be dumb luck. Okay, you major in – you either get a business degree or you major in a chemical engineering and you hopefully end up at the right company and even then you're probably at that company what would you do if you wanted to go your own way and build your own facility from scratch hugely difficult to imagine that but in china they're actually they've been doing it for decades at this point so now what you have is in china you'll have millions of people with

experience in running a factory. So they know how a factory runs. How do you start? How do you build a factory? They know how to build a factory. And you have regulators who are familiar with, OK, how do we approve building a factory? How do we make sure it happens quickly? What are the possible downsides?

It's a lot of it's all that expertise stuff that goes into it. And the culmination is you can do that really automated stuff that's incredibly impressive and once you have the advantage there it's a lot harder to lose it if you're if your only advantage is having lower labor costs then someone beats you by having even lower labor costs and that's happened they have other advantages like garment like you don't make shoes as much in china anymore you make those in vietnam or bangladesh uh you make them in places where they actually is lower labor and they've special chosen to specialize in that but if their specialty is we have the absolute most advanced robots that can build a phone

a second with no human input other than fixing a machine when it breaks how do you beat that charlie i don't know i and and this is the other problem is that if you try to bring back which we should industrial manufacturing you're gonna run into major labor unions i mean they don't have labor unions in china like not like this i mean they might have some form of collect you could correct me if i'm wrong blake but i don't think they have uh let's just say the the uh uaw that's part of the irony commies don't put up with unions that's part of the irony. That's actually why they have so much automation. There are Chinese factories where the quality of

life in the factory is so bad that a worker would come in, like they would have 100% turnover every six months. And so the fix is mass automation. What you have in America, we saw this with the longshoremen, is like we want to... That's a sore topic around here. Admittedly, but that was We saw this with the longshoremen is like we want to –

That's a very – that's a sore topic around here. Admittedly, admittedly, but that was an actual dispute they had, which is they opposed automation. And the deal they reached was don't automate. This like wildly overweight soprano type comes in. I'm going to shut down the ports if you give me what I want. All right. All right. It's just not my favorite topic.

All right. All right. This is – so this is uh so if this is what our system is producing these girls are on twitch or something is that right this is the rumor the base of the democrat party is young unmarried women who are very miserable and visit their doctors all the time for antidepressants and xanax and young women tend to be very upset and very troubled exhibit a play cut 305. insurance no why are you on your parents yes oh congratulations what are you gonna do i'm get my own how with my money how what do you mean how who do you call to get health insurance yeah someone who provides

health insurance what is this question what do you mean are you saying because you don't know how i don't know how what are you as let's parents or your dad i come from a very republican family that if you go to the doctor so i can't believe you don't have health insurance i did not know this sounds like a lecture that i didn't expect i did not i didn't you go so often i know but i'm limited because i get really stressed because i don't have any resources and i get really confused it's the same reason that i went to culinary school instead of normal college no one prepped me my family abandoned me i didn't know all of a sudden everyone in junior and in junior year of high school is like i got accepted into harvard i got accepted into mit and i'm like wait we were supposed to submit stuff i had no clue no one told me

everyone forgot about me i think my favorite part of that is you go to the doctor so much she's like 24 what did i just say i said they go to the doctor for all sorts of drugs because they're told they have all these problems all All the time, yeah. Right. Meanwhile, we can't open factories. We wonder why. We can't even get on insurance policies. There's an easy fix. There's an easy fix for this, by the way, folks. It's also the same fix as the birth rate problem.

It's called traditional marriage. Traditional marriage. Could you imagine someone being married to her cheese have you ever seen can you imagine every time there's a crisis and it's this uh text exchange where it's this girl i think a girlfriend messaging her boyfriend or maybe a wife husband and she just says what's going on with the stock market today and he just replies lol don't worry about it, babe. And she goes, okay. Thank you. It sounds like a heart. Yay. I love that.

That's kind of how it goes in our house. She's like, so how are things? We're doing great. Okay. All right, everyone. Keep on committing thought crimes, and our campus tour will continue. Crowds are big. Very big.

And Texas A&M was a great time, wasn't it, Blake? Oh, it was amazing. Can we play the Texas A&M War Hymn video? The one that we played on the show? Blake, this was probably one of the most amazing entrances of a conference. It was spur of the moment. I think we only decided on it. Ten minutes before. I was like, play the

fight song. War him. Yeah, that was so great. I messaged one of my friends who goes to A&M, oh, you guys got really fired up for the fight song. War him. That was the reply I got. By the way, they have all these traditions. You can't wear your hats in the cafeteria. They say gig'em, cowdy, they hiss and then boo.

Cut them off. I guess that's just a normal It may be the school with the most traditions of any school let's watch it i mean that's the short version but it was uh it went two minutes. It was two minutes long. It was incredible. Charlie, can you just, can you explain to me what a gig is when they say, because I understand it means something different down to the Aggies than it does to the rest of us. I don't know, actually. I don't know what they mean by gigging.

Gig them. Like, what is, what do you mean gig? Like, that gig, in Philly, gig is like a show or a job. Here is Mark Halpern. Not Mark Halpern. I've got to put him on Mark Halpern's show. This is Will Kane covering it. But first, Texas doesn't play around.

This is fun. All my New York producers just discovered the insanity, friendly insanity, Aggies, of Texas A&M. So when Turning Point went to College Station, this just caught everybody in New York's eye. I'm familiar. This is our weird cousin in Texas, who we love, Aggies. Gig'em is approval, universal sign of enthusiasm and approval. It often is accompanied by a thumbs down gesture thumbs up gesture and signify optimism determination and loyalty oh people

loved this by the way when i did that tyler oof they loved it yeah oh they loved it that was like that was the i got like i got like boom i got like 10 messages they're like charlie just did hordes down i'm like what i saw the video we got to do more scc schools god bless everybody thanks so much gigum howdy hiss war him i know all the a and m folklore the funniest thing is outside of politics we strongly disagree with cut them off or outside outside of college stuff and do not cut them do not cut them off don't cut them off unless it's a longhorn yeah god bless talk to you soon. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always

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