The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 83 — The Doll Debate? Black Women Statues?
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Okay, everybody. Welcome. It is Thought Crime Thursday. We have Blake, Tyler, and we have Jack live from Rome. It is conclave week or month or season or decade.
Yeah.
Is it thought crime Friday for Jack now?
It could be.
Who knows?
We're going to have a debate about dolls, Charlie.
So this is all in response to a thing that happened last week.
And I thought it would be fruitful for discussion.
So this was obviously with Trump's tariffs. People are are talking will prices go up on things will manufacture and move
back here and they asked trump about this and he had some interesting comments so we have two trump
clips that we're going to play real quickly to set it up uh so this was i think trump in the
oval office initially or somewhere let's play clip 343 look now, and I told you before, they're having tremendous difficulty because their
factories are not doing business. They made a trillion dollars with Biden, a trillion dollars,
even a trillion won with Biden selling us stuff. Much of it we don't need. You know, somebody said,
the shelves are going to be open. Well, maybe the children will have $2 instead of $30, you know.
And maybe the $2 will cost a couple of bucks more than they would normally.
And then they asked him more about this a short time later, I think, on Air Force One.
And so he said some more.
So let's do clip 344.
All I'm saying is that you don't, that a young lady a 10 year old girl nine year old girl
15 year old girl doesn't need 37 dollars she could be very happy with two or three or four or five
i would i would let's not waste a lot of time what else
okay the audio quality was really poor he was saying uh these girls an eight year old girl
nine year old a 15 year old girl they don't need 37 dolls which is already pretty funny do 15-year-old
girls i don't know but i could tell you that my daughter really likes dolls does she have 30
dolls not that many no no comment more than 10 less than 20 would you agree tyler that young
girls young daughters really like dolls? One is not sufficient.
No, my kids' beds, they've got stuffed animals and dolls.
You have to like through them to get to them.
100%.
So when little girls play house, if they have that many dolls, do they still play house with like four people?
Or are they having like giant soirees?
No, no.
We have Mormon house. Ooh. So it's like 20 people or are they having like giant soirees no no we have like we have mormon house
so it's like it's like 20 people around it's like old catholic house okay and she plays house
all right so i i wanted us to talk about that because i thought it was interesting this is a
topic like tucker carlson will talk about a lot that it's like due to globalization due to like
outsourcing a kind of side effect people will attack is sort of the
profusion of what people say is like chinese slop or chinese junk is you know often what they'll say
that you can get go to walmart and you can get tons of stuff really cheap but you are just piling
up tons of stuff and i think trump is getting at that with that with his response which is we're
trying to move manufacturing back in America.
And, yeah, like maybe you'll have a lot less stuff as a result because it will be more expensive.
And I thought it'd be interesting for us to discuss because is that one is that are we actually correct that that's what we want?
And two, are people going to be on board with it?
Maybe people are just going to be really mad if they can't have.
I think people are going to be very mad about it.
I mean, look, we're very blessed in our family.
We can afford as many dolls as possible.
Jon Stewart is very mad.
F you for telling the American people, why doesn't he ever say you don't need $350, maybe you just need $10?
He gets very, very mad about it.
And so what I think Trump is making a bigger argument, though, is that would you I mean, would you rather have a quality made product?
I will say this, though, in Trump's favor.
And I wish Andrew was on here and Tyler would agree.
The Chinese dolls that just happened to appear in my home that I did not order.
People give them to us or, you know, we just order on Amazon.
These things fall apart.
I mean, they do not last.
I mean, there is a remarkable difference when we buy like a higher quality Western-made toy
that's like from a place that actually cares.
I mean, the Dolph made in China might last like a week.
I see Jack on his computer because Jack has sons.
Jack has no idea what we're talking about,
those of us that have.
I really don't, to tell you the truth.
No, it's fine.
Toys in general, sure.
Toys in general, sure.
But dolls, I'm like, eh.
It's fine.
I will actually go out of my way to buy a more expensive toy that I think kids will like instead of –
because I hate – I actually – it drives me crazy like for birthdays
and stuff like that when people will gift like just like the cheap whatever all the time or like
or like our girls will go hang out with grandma grandpa and they'll go they'll get something every
time they go out somewhere and it's something cheap it's probably from china and they fall
like you just said they fall apart their hair pulls out they look they look just a
little bit off uh they're not nice uh they're not special right and they like replace them literally
every other day and so trump's point is kind of right where it's like we don't you don't need
500 chinese dolls you need you know maybe five yeah yeah people are hung up on the numbers but
like like how few are nicer toys instead of the junk that they're sending over.
And, you know, they're just shoving in our kids' faces.
And have you seen some of these like Bratz dolls and like these other things?
I think we've talked about before on the show.
Like these things are like wretched looking things.
They actually are scary.
Like the other day, like my little girl had one of those stupid Bratz dolls or I can't remember what's the other one called.
But I like I picked it up. I was like, oh, oh, my. Like, what is what is wrong with that thing?
I think it's scary. Have you seen these things? I totally not a fan.
Hideous. Oh, LOL dolls. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. LOL dolls are are heinous.
They are they should be criminalized. We shouldn't have. Yeah, I'm going to go further than Trump. Forget forget two dollars. You should have zero LOL dollars. Those things are those
things are heinous, hideous. I will say, though, that outside of dolls and I don't know, actually,
my son's not old enough yet to be in this phase. Stuffed animals are a huge part of human
development. Jack, do young boys like stuffed animals as well My son's only a year
So he's not quite there yet
So Jack are stuffed animals big for young boys too
I think Jack is frozen
Okay Jack
Look at these things
Look at the LOL dolls
That Angelo is talking about
These things are heinous
Oh my gosh
This is what Trump's talking about
No more of those
We should deport these things
We need to deport LOL dolls Yeah I am worried the overall mentality could backfire because i do think
people tend to own too much stuff but i do think that's just i don't really blame china for it i
think that's just a values thing like people amass too much stuff and yeah people pile up a lot of
stuff and i think people like it's especially interesting to see this go because I think there's been, on the right, a lot of negative reaction when the left has said similar things.
I mean, if you want one we've heard before, you've heard people on the left say, like, who needs to own that many guns?
Yes, correct.
And they'll say that.
Or you could easily say, like, you could imagine them saying, like, nobody actually needs to own two cars.
Correct. I can think of a lot of reasons someone would want to own two cars and so on.
Like in the end, the entire idea of modernity is overall it is it is good to make more stuff.
It is good to be more productive. It is good to have more energy.
It's better to have access than deficit. Yeah. Like and there can be a problem of excess.
But we have obesity now.
But I think we could agree it would be bad if Trump was going around saying,
just like, look, maybe you'll only have 1,400 calories a day.
You might have to slim down a little bit.
That would be bad.
We would be starving.
Would not be good.
So how do you think the politics this plays out tyler yeah i think this is going to be the attack that's going to we're going to see over and over with
trump is just like everything that they can possibly find that's going to upset you know
especially moms i think they're i think the entire vector here when i was looking at this was
everything that they're going to do is they're just going to try to go deeper on female turnout in the 2026 election.
And beyond that, quite frankly, because they're seeing the trends.
They know what's up.
We won because the things that upset men got more men to turn out.
And we won because of that and the influence that men have in those households. They're going to try to go on the white female with a college degree, what upsets
them the most and ding, ding, ding, it's take toys away from my children that because, you know,
we know millennials will give their children anything because, you know, they were, they felt
like they were withheld from, from, you know, the, the baby boomers that, that were their parents. So
this is, this is the problem that we're going to have over and over. We got to figure out the
talking points against it and come, I think, come out hard against it and be like, no, that's not
true. Here's what is going to happen because of Trump policy X, Y, and Z and be ready to combat this. But
this female vector is a real problem for us heading into 2026.
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Okay, let's go to the next topic here, which kind of ties a little bit into it, right?
Of which we, you know, dolls to statues. of which we you know dolls to statues is that right
to statues i i have to be honest with you guys blake was sending this stuff this morning and
and this is a very real good this is a good learning lesson i thought it was ai because
look i first of all i'm distracted i'm watching cbs conclave coverage very mesmerized by it by
the way they're talking about raw dogging.
They're actually talking about election integrity.
CBS did an entire segment on what they eat in the conclave,
which, by the way, is pasta with just butter and a little bit of Parmesan cheese.
And that's all they feed them.
No variety.
And no ravioli because they say that they could have little messages put in the ravioli.
I'm not going to do a whole segment on that.
And then Blake is sending us these pictures of these like overweight black women statues.
And I'm like, okay, this is obviously AI slop.
This is some boomer thing to get boomers mad.
But turns out I was wrong.
I got fooled by reality.
Blake, what's going on here?
All right.
So the specific story that went on today
is that there is a new statue
that has gone up in Times Square.
They have found a way to make Times Square even tackier than before.
And so they have put up a 12-foot tall bronze statue.
It is called Grounded in the Stars.
Let's see.
The actual line from the people who put it up, the Times Square arts group says,
Installed at ground level on a wide low base,
the work invites engagement with the hundreds of thousands of people
who traverse the plazas each day.
The woman engrounded in the stars cuts a stark contrast
to the pedestaled permanent monuments, both white, both men,
which bookend Duffy Square while embodying a quiet gravity and grandeur.
Now, first of all, it is true. There are statues of white guys in Duffy Square, while embodying a quiet gravity and grandeur. Now, first of all, it is true, there are statues of white guys in Duffy Square.
I believe Duffy himself is a priest who fought, or not fought, but was a chaplain in World War I,
and was a quite heroic figure, and that is why they decided to build a statue to them.
Generally, you build statues to public heroes that you want to honor or remember.
But we skipped just past that.
And we just kind of made a statue of a glowering, angry woman at the DMV.
And what's funny about it is, as you said, it feels AI.
There's a lot of these out there.
They put a lot of these statues up.
And they're very often of this specific format of like an angry person just
kind of glaring at you there's one in rotterdam in the netherlands that's just again kind of like a
this black woman with a sullen expression on her face there's one in uh southern britain where it's
like a woman on her phone there's a couple of people just on their phones and some of them are just actually
really crazy looking there's one that's like a giant it's like the sphinx that you'd see in
egypt what is it where's this one where that one was put up in rockefeller center come on yeah and
there's that thing it's the sphinx except that so it actually could go back it's the sphinx except
it kind of has a stereotypical like you know mammy look like that old kind of slave caricature that they would have.
And they put it on a color purple.
And if you see the whole thing, it also has very sexualized features like it has this like big booty in the back.
And this is like a piece of art that they said was empowering for black people.
When I look at that and I would think like a white supremacist had created this statue
it would be totally if david duke was in charge yeah like this is a super like this is an
outrageously offensive statue that like cashes in on all of these gross stereotypes and caricatures
except no we put it up and we called it progress and there was a similar one that they showed up
there and it's like the statue of zeus at olympia it's called oracle they put it up and we called it Progress. And there was a similar one that they showed up there. And it's like the statue of Zeus at Olympia.
It's called Oracle.
They put this up in the Rockefeller Center, I believe, temporarily.
I don't think it's there anymore.
And it's like a Greek statue, except it has this gigantic kind of African statue style head on top of it.
And it's the same deal.
Like, that's a valid art form but they they deliberately do do it in ways uh that make you
raise one eyebrow or the other eyebrow or both eyebrows and a very funny response i think it was
matt wall did matt walsh tweet this matt's been great he said they put these up because like the
left can't have any actual heroes because everything above 2000 before 2005 is suspect. I mean, we ripped down Abraham Lincoln statues
because he was racist, apparently.
In fact, when you were in...
We were in Boston the other time,
and there was an empty pedestal near where we were staying,
and it was because that's where the Lincoln Emancipation Statue was,
and they took it down, and you can see...
Because Lincoln is racist, right?
Yeah, it looks like it's a freaking grave as a result because there's no statue on top of it
so they don't have any heroes no one's okay so you just have to put up statues of kind of
angry people glaring at you because that is that is liberal art let's talk more about yeah go ahead
tyler your thoughts and then i want to go a little deeper because there is there is something
important i was gonna say that was my favorite part was like her hands are on her hips and she's like
looking down on everyone you know that that's the the the interesting pic she's like in a t-shirt
hands on her hips this is not like you know you would think that if if it was we were celebrating
black culture you would have statues erected.
I mean, this is not cheap.
I mean, we've looked into some of this before, Charlie,
like on Turning Points campus.
You know, casting a bronze statue of that size
is a pretty expensive endeavor today, you know,
with post-Biden inflation and everything else.
This is not, why wouldn't you pick somebody
with any kind of historical
significance to celebrate like it could be anybody like somebody that is meaningful you know they
actually went like kind of the cheapest route and i just don't i don't get it i don't i don't think
there's anyone that has any kind of common sense that looks at this and goes wow that's beautiful
or wow i'm really proud of that Or that makes me celebrate my culture even.
This is like a, it's a crazy, you know,
almost bigoted thing that they're doing
to try to incite this race division
that, you know, should be totally rejected.
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So there's almost like a mythical element to black women on the left.
It is a very specific thing.
And I want to dive into it because the statues are one thing.
But I think we must really.
And by the way, this is not like just us saying this on our show.
The base of the Democrat Party has said this, that we must lift up black women, that black women must be at the forefront, that basically in progressive folklore or storytelling, black
women are portrayed as like the truth tellers and the caretakers of democracy.
Yeah, yeah.
Right?
Black women, if they're not black trans women, because I think Elizabeth Warren said they
were the bedrock of our democracy.
Correct.
That's right.
Stacey Deidre was like the face of all of that.
That's what they really leaned into for that reason during that time.
But it is the inversion of what they consider to be white supremacy.
So what is the group that is at the opposite of a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant man, which we are?
Well, not Protestant, but you're Catholic, but whatever, is black women.
And so the elevation of black womanism is this exactly and i sent a clip in the in the chat that i want them to
um to to load up here and not only that but black women on the left expect to be worshipped as much
as they are worshipped and that's what's so important is not that just that they be worshipped as much as they are worshipped. And that's what's so important, is not that just that they get worshipped on the left and black womanism is the faith of the
radical left, that basically black women are the clerics of the religion of American leftism.
Let's play cut 358 of she wants to be the pope of American leftism.
Play cut 358.
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There's a podcast called literally that's just called Listen to Black Women.
Oh, no, no, no. It's a real thing on the left.
This is not just us being, you know, politically provocative. Yeah, this it's a real thing on the left this is not just us being you know politically provocative yeah this is a very real like it really is kind of like it's like you know they're the core of the like a black women lead where america follows uh like it really is and it it
is focused specifically on on women especially too it's not even like black people generally
black men it is this black women thing if it's not specifically black trans
women you will sometimes hear that specific subset uh i don't i don't know how they got that one that
was like a very peak 2019 2020 episode i was it elizabeth warren who said that it was like
they said that they were like the bedrock of our democracy i know warren said she was going to read
the names of every black trans woman murdered in america in the rose garden every year
if she became president that would have been quite quite the ceremony i suppose
uh but but but so from a i want to get tyler in on this but politically tyler what are they
thinking black women are six percent of the American population ish, six to 7%.
Why the pandering to 7% of the population? Well, I think, I mean, you hit the nail on the head.
This is just the antithesis of the white man. So whatever the left, the left wants to construct
everything in complete opposition to whatever they hate or they want to target and whatever. So you just, you hit it.
You have white men who are, and I wouldn't be surprised if they go older because it's a young
white man now they hate. So old black women are the complete opposite. And that's how they have to
run all of their political identity through. And they've done this now to us for a significant amount of time.
I think this is the first time we're seeing people push back and go, no, no, no, no.
I am soaked over the race baiting, the pushing, whatever.
I like people not because of the color of their skin, but because of who they are.
And this entire concept, and we saw this a few years ago during the BLM riots and everything else.
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You have to shop at black small businesses.
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So Blake, the mythical quality here, I mean, there is almost like a mystique to black women, like they will save us, that they are worthy of almost sacrament.
What what is that? It's a few things.
I mean, one is they are the most bedrock part of the left's coalition i mean you can see that most loyal yeah
they are you can see that chart they are the ones who are going but sometimes 98 percent though it
it is it is like there's an element of like so there's the fact that they are the 98 liberal ones
but yeah beyond that as you say it is that it's like it's the polar opposite of you know all the things
that we're tearing down in america which is you know like white men so you go to the opposite of
that um you know maybe maybe jack has some thoughts on what drives it too because i'm what i think of
is how the fact that i think they're the one group in america you can just overtly say like oh we're
doing a diversity hire on this one.
Like Biden came out and said, I'm going to pick a black woman to the Supreme Court.
I'm not going to pick the most qualified person.
He could have said, I'm going to pick a woman.
I'm going to pick someone who's not a white male.
But he didn't do that.
He said specifically black woman.
Everyone else, 90, 94 percent of America need not apply, period.
Just not allowed to compete.
And it was kind of like that with his veep.
He didn't overtly promise, but it was sort of widely assumed he had to pick a black woman as his vice president in 2020.
That that was the under-the-table deal he made, you know, to win the South Carolina endorsement.
But, yeah, I think we have Jack back. So maybe he could comment on what's
Jack. What is the philosophical basis of black womanism? Yeah, thanks, guys. I was gone for a
little bit. Just want to let you know they did offer me the papacy. But I said, no, guys,
I got a thought crime show to do. So, you know, maybe maybe next time. No. So. So, Charlie,
what's going on here is there is a civil religion, a civic religion, if you will, that's been promulgated in the United States since the 1960s.
And it's been in the countercultural revolution, the countercultural moment, where, as you were saying before, the WASP is considered the most hated figure in America.
And therefore, the inversion of that must be the greatest.
And there's something that I mentioned this to on Tucker once,
that it's always just absolutely fascinated me that Jeffrey Dahmer,
the serial killer, cannibal, you know, heinous, horrific things that he did.
He confesses his crimes to the police,
chopped up his victims, ate them in some cases, kept their body parts in others.
Yet in later on in an interview, so he would give these interviews from prison and things like that,
he emphasized that even though the vast majority of his victims were young men of color, that he was not a racist.
And it was emphatic for him to to make sure that he knew and that everybody knew that he was not a racist.
He may have killed them. He may have chopped up their body parts.
He may have eaten some of their body parts. But please, please don't let anyone believe that he's a despicable racist.
And I honestly just think that it says more about what we place value on as a society where we would actually consider all those crimes to be lesser than to committing the crime of doing a racism or being accused of doing a racism.
And this, of course, is our civic religion in the United States.
We are, we and the West writ large,
are the only places in the world that think this way,
that we invert everything and we make everything all the time about race
rather than base things off of merit
or just simply base the judgments of, you know,
somebody's actions like, oh, I don't know, murder and cannibalism.
But since the 1960s, this has been our civil religion.
Okay, let's go a couple pieces of tape.
Let's start with 360 WNBA player Paige Bookers getting an award saying the following.
Play cut 360.
With the light that I have now as a white woman who leads a black-led sport and celebrated here,
I want to show a light on black women.
They don't get the media coverage that they deserve.
All they do is get media coverage.
Let me rephrase what she's saying.
Let me just really quick.
She's like, as a white woman who's currently being held hostage by all my black teammates getting this award,
I'd like to say thank you to my captors.
I'm blinking twice.
She's literally being held hostage getting this award.
That's what that is.
And when you read the article, it's not even just like, oh, that they might be socially isolated.
You'll see these things.
Wasn't it Caitlin Clark was practically getting assaulted on the court?
100%.
By the way, they made an example out of caitlin clark for that reason she doesn't want to get the crap beat out of her and women can't
stand that as much as men when men get the crap beat out of them they rally together they get
stronger women do not like being socially isolated being that is the worst thing for a female is to
be socially isolated if we want to have a thought crime, we could be like, are women built for team sports? Like, I mean, Caitlin Clark honestly isn't.
I'm not saying she's bad.
You know, someone's a phenomenal athlete.
Someone hard follows your star in the NFL and it's like a melee and like 27 players get suspended and there's all these fines.
Like do NBA players, do WNBA players get in fights if someone gets gets mugged on the court?
Yeah, but Caitlin Clark's a great example, which is that, so she's a great athlete, objectively one of the best basketball players of a generation for women.
And she then gets bullied by her teammates and by other opponents, and then she bends the knee to black worship.
And she does.
She was basically like, I'm so racist. I need to learn
my privilege. Look. So she basically allowed this to master her. And you look at, I mean,
would Larry Bird take that? No. I mean, I don't think so. Would Pistol Pete? I'm just thinking
of like white players that would look up. Maybe, maybe not. It's not a criticism of women. Women
just tend to be more agreeable and they tend to be more sensitive to group social dynamics. We had a one of the clerics of the Democrat religion
visit us in San Francisco. Play cut 361. I love you. And you know what I think?
I think you really want a big black. Well, you seem pleasant. Are you married? Was your mom
married? Are you?? Was your mom married?
Are you married? Because I got a call from the doctor.
She missed her abortion.
You seem so sweet.
Charlie, you seem so stiff and white.
Do you have a stick up your ass?
Is there something wrong with being white?
Charlie, is there something wrong with a stick in your ass is what I'm asking.
I love you, Charlie.
You're the best comedian.
You're the best comedian on.
Do you want a hat?
You're the best one.
She wants a hat.
Can you wear it?
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Here's Michelle Obama saying black women don't complain enough.
Right.
Because when I think of, never mind, Playa 362.
As black women are paying, because it's almost like nobody ever gave us permission to do that and does anyone care yeah there's no they care if we knew i think we would care if we knew if we knew
or you know yeah and and we have to ask ourselves our the men in our lives is uh you know, why wait to be asked? You know, it seems like what we go through is
pretty obvious. I mean, maybe we're not complaining, but we're actually living life out loud.
You know, you know, she almost said asked correctly. She got so close. She was so close.
And then she went axed. She so close you could tell that she was
right she corrected herself okay let me just have a couple thoughts and then we'll throw it into the
gang here number one she does not seem like a formidable political candidate ever i mean like
just that whole clip yeah well black women need permission to camp complain number two what's
happening to her brother like what is this whole thing where he's kind of just like becoming a woman? It's very strange. And number three, do you ever know that one a lot where it's just like they've been told to be
quiet for too long and like who who is telling them to be quiet we're not even telling them to
be quiet we're just sort of commenting about what is that you said and they're and the strange
looking statues and even with the statues like if you want to put up a statue to Rosa Parks
go ahead it's that it's like you're putting up a statue to literally nothing you're putting up a
statue to someone glaring at you I would find it rather strange if we just had like a white guy
statue and he's like staring ominously at you we'd we'd probably say it looks like big brother like
would you want a big bronze of that guy just like eyeballing you on times square we'd be like wow i guess we live in a dictatorship now
i but wait a minute wait a minute i just had a great idea for charlie for when you do these
campus things you should uh but like the night before the the event is supposed to take place
just get like a giant bronze charlie Charlie Kirk statue and have people put it up
somewhere on campus and then just have like, don't go there.
Don't go there. Right. But have like, you know, it doesn't be bronze.
It'd be some cheaper thing, whatever, but, but don't go there.
Just film what happens to the statue.
Like have a drone like getting footage and just watch the insanity.
I guarantee you
it would drive people completely nuts and hey just free content we should make it
no no it should be bronze and make it indestructible and then watch how how long
oh yeah that's good so it can actually hurt them. It here is.
And then we'll close with this.
We have we've we're a little overtime.
This is how a man, Larry Bird, stood up to bullying back in the NBA versus WNBA players.
Play cut 364.
Larry Bird and Bill Lambert have both been ejected from the game.
Now there's Bird throwing the ball at Lambert
and Rodman coming over.
Seasting.
And 24-second clock goes down
and Bird and Lambert go at it.
I don't remember Larry Bird getting as angry
as I saw him now.
Bird would stand for getting pulled down on a layup,
but not on a play like that with the clock running down.
And he really got taken down very hard.
And, of course, Bird is very upset at Lambert and has been for a long time.
Now Rodman goes after Bird after Bird threw the ball.
This thing's out of control.
How many times, you know, you're big on Michael Jordan being, you know,
the greatest of all time.
How many times did he beat Larry Bird in the playoffs?
As a coach or player?
Was Michael Jordan a coach? Larry Bird was of the Pacers. Yeah, but was he, did he beat Larry Bird in the playoffs? As a coach or player? Was Michael Jordan a coach?
Larry Bird was with the Pacers.
Yeah, but did he coach against Jordan?
Yeah.
Oh, did he?
I didn't know that.
Multiple times, yeah.
Okay.
But how about as a player, though?
Not very well.
It's when Jordan was still young.
He was developing.
He was a young gun.
Okay.
Jordan, he got better when Rodman left the Pistons.
Rodman was a crazy person. He got better or he became Rodman left the Pistons. Rodman was a crazy person.
He got better or he became able to defeat the Pistons?
No, because it improved his game significantly.
The Pistons were his nemesis.
Yeah, they beat him three years in a row, right?
I think.
Yeah, no, it was this amazing story.
And Jordan was 15 pounds lighter.
I think he was like one he was tiny 180 he was tiny and he
put on like 15 pounds of muscle because the pistons were just throwing him around right
just throwing him around they went and got rodman he put on 15 pounds of muscle and they finally
overcame isaiah thomas the piston well it was they only had rodman for the second three p right the
first one they didn't have Rodman.
They did not.
No, the first three-peat.
That was just Scottie Pippen.
That's correct.
Only Scottie was there for all six.
What if, Charlie, just hear me out on this idea.
The NBA, people have said the NBA is getting stale
because it's all just dunks or three-point shots or layups
and there's no middle game.
What if we put a statue of a frowning black woman at the three-point line and it like moved back and
forth along the three-point line making it more difficult to take three-point shots this is this
is where we're heading i could not tell you a single thing that's happening in the nba playoffs
right now could you yeah because there's no statue of a black woman that's the problem that that is
that would fix it.
If complaining was a currency,
they'd all be billionaires.
Final thoughts, guys.
I want a giant bronze statue of Charlie Kirk because I could just think of so many funny things
to do with that man.
Then again, I am here and I remind myself
I am sitting in front of St. Peter's Basilica
and I'm very excited to go to mass there tomorrow morning.
Wow. Great for you.
All right. So next time, guys, keep committing thought crimes.
Black womanism is simply a counterfeit left-wing religion for real religions, as Jack is in the only real religion, which is Christianity.
And he is in Rome.
So we'll pray for Jack's safety and wisdom there. God bless you
guys. Keep on committing thought crimes. Talk to you soon. Thanks so much for listening, everyone.
Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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