The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 84 — South African Refugees? Best Movie Ever?

Episode Date: May 17, 2025

Charlie, Jack, Tyler, Andrew, and Blake discuss the week's biggest topics, including:   -Why does the left hate white South Africans so much? -What is each cast member's favorite movie, and is Ben Affleck a good actor? -Is The Godfather Part 2 overrated?   Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments at noblegoldinvestments.com. That is noblegoldinvestments.com. It's where I buy all of my gold. Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard. We've got another Thought Crime Thursday here for you. Jack Posobiec here back in Washington, D.C. Of course, last week I was there at the Vatican, so we got to see the giant st peter's basilica behind me now i have this wonderful graphic of i guess the other other ear of the the dome of

us capital not quite as old as that one also not designed by michelangelo but a lot cooler because it's america but we've got a really cool, really great set list lined up for today for the entire show. Great program. And also Charlie Kirk will be here in just a few minutes. But guys, let's zoom out here real quick. Do we have, I believe we have Blake, Andrew and Tyler lined up. Hello. Hello, Jack. I thought you were going to call the devil's basilica behind you. The devil'sica oh man you mean because it was founded by a bunch of freemasons no just because of who operates out of there right now and that though that's another good reason we have charlie coming soon though charlie i've actually read the uh the there's a dan brown

book that has all like the freemason symbols of washington D.C. I think it's called Last Symbol or Lost Symbol or something. And it's very similar to National Treasure 2. It's literally almost the same plot, but it goes through it. It's just got a ton of good information about the craziness of D.C. Blake, that's all true, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of wacky symbols in it. They were into their esoteric symbology.

Man, Dan Brown, that's a blast from the past. Remember in the early 2000s, Jack, where churches would need to have special events because Da Vinci Code was so popular? Yep. And we would need to have priests and scholars come in and be like, no, guys, Jesus didn't marry Mary Magdalene. This is a fictional book the priory of scion

is not real well it's kind of like it's kind of like when the snl did that sarah palin skit like i can see russia from my house and everybody actually thought she said it it was actually it was just a just a line from a from an snl skit everyone thought she said i think they still do but it shows you it what it taught me though was the power of memes right and so this idea that if you had a meme that was stronger than another meme that just that one meme getting out there into the world and being released into the wild would catch fire across you know across people from person to person and then even to catholics who you know are sitting there like yes we've always believed this for thousands of years.

But, whoa, there's a Hollywood movie about it. And everybody's reading this book at the beach. And suddenly so it's like, OK, so if this is the way the world works, then it's the person with the most powerful means that wins. So before we start today, I have just a little bit of a hook. We have a collab that's starting tonight. Turning point action with Conviction Co Co this wonderful hat that you can see here fantastic all proceeds are going to Turning Point Action which is really cool but I actually like that they're a great hat company great hats eats

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This hat and we have three others that are up. Nice. Thank you, Conviction Co. And Charlie is joining us. Yes. He'll be here in 20 minutes or so. In the blink of an eye. But we're going to start off. Yeah. He'll be here in 20 minutes or so. In the blink of an eye. But we're going to start off.

Yeah, we got to get in there. Jack, I think we're starting off with Kill the Boar. Well, it's about time. It's about time. It's a terrible thing to say. Those boars, they're just running around, farming up all those crops and living there for all those years. By the way, you guys will remember this like when this story first hit i remember it was like two years ago a year ago when this when when it like first

went viral on at least in america and social media i i recall the first one pretty well because uh i helped start it did you so i was following this was at tucker carlson's show at fox and we were following the news because everyone happens is every few years they make a new push to seize Whitey's land in South Africa and just seize it without compensation. And then there will always be some sort of excuse where they'll delay it or not quite

do it because I think they know once they do it, the country will completely collapse. Well, there'll also be a pariah state. And so what happened was we ran a segment that they were about i think it was that they were about to do it and maybe tucker mildly misspoke or we mildly misworded it as it was always already happening or maybe we even did it accurately but whatever it was uh trump watched that segment and then did a very angry tweet about it that night

or the following morning and then south africa put out a statement disavowing this and it was a minor minor diplomatic incident and it's flared up but i remember i remember when the moment happened and jack i don't know if you remember i'm sure you do remember this because you you you're very with it online but but it was like the outrageousness of it like the cartoonishness of of having a polit like a popular political party in any country let alone one that's in the g20 and that's like hosting international like competitions and we we all think of it as like part of the league of nations kind of thing right not not necessarily the the old uh vestige of the 1920s or whatever i just mean like they're

part of the civilization. To have a political party in a country like that that says something outrageous, says kill a certain group of people, and then when you call them out on it Welcome, Charlie. When you call them out on it, they're like, oh, it's just a slogan. It's just a funny thing we say. It's a historical song. They'll be like, it's a

historical protest song. You can't get mad at us because we're black people that that that are singing jokingly about killing people it's so cartoonish too because like in comparison like as an example uh charlie you've heard about this lately where like you said deutschland uber alles which is like a line in the german national anthem that they don't sing from like the 1800s and like they're weird because the germans are a mentally ill country but like and it just means like germany above all and it means in the context like put germany above like petty rivalries it's like america little duchy yeah it's like america first not even more like america first it's more like if you were saying usa ahead of california or something is really like what the meaning is in

the song and then like they freak out about that and you'll have like ponderous cnn pieces where it's like you know the the dark national socialist tone of saying that and then you have this song where the lyrics are just kill the boar shoot shoot and like you could watch them and they're like doing pop popping gun shots coming after me for jokingly saying yeah deutschland uber alles it was funny the guy did it said well not exactly because in germany they're so they're like oh oh yeah i mean and or there's like i think like 200 people got investigated or even arrested in germany or fined or some sort of police action because it became trendy to uh there was like a club song in france and they would they would play that song and then they would say auslanderaus, which means foreigners out.

And you would get in trouble for saying that. Some of them did Nazi salutes with it, but most did not. You could just get in trouble just for saying it. On the flip side, of course, we have in South Africa

and it's just like, kill the boar, shoot, shoot, shoot, kill the boar. shoot, shoot, shoot kill the boar Yamiche from MSNBC Yamiche, she doesn't have anything to say about that Sushi woman who looks like she ate sushi but like deep fried but the point is

that she's like got nothing to say about that and yet she was what was her line? I'm appalled I think we have the clip, she was appalled everybody's frankly appalled that we're letting in 50 white afrikaners that literally are under attack wait wait before like let's let's i always i always try to do this before we get into a topic and let's go to blake blake can you just give us in a couple sentences like let's say people are living under a rock. They have no idea what we're talking about. What is kill the boer, the land appropriation, and the South African refugee situation as it stands?

Okay, sure, sure, sure, sure. So the boers are, it means farmer in Dutch, or at least in Afrikaans. I believe it's farmer in Dutch. The Dutch are the original European settlers in Southern Africa. The Dutch had a colony there in the 1600s. So there have been Dutch people there for about 400 years almost. And they have a long-term

presence there, especially in rural areas. They're very successful farmers, hence the name. And of course, they remain pretty successful and prosperous in South Africa today. This has become highly controversial. South Africa is a highly unequal country. It has had some difficulties since the end of apartheid. And so a popular political position in South Africa, it's worth noting the African National Congress, that's Nelson Mandela's party. They are a Marxist-Leninist party.

They are basically a communist party. And there are groups to the left of them, such as the Economic Freedom Fighters. And so a common demand in South African politics is that there should be forcible land redistribution, that they should seize land that is owned by white farmers in South Africa without paying for it and forcibly redistribute it to the black majority in South Africa. Now, it's worth noting, this has been done in other African countries. It's been done in neighboring Zimbabwe. The result was starvation.

So this is not, you know, a novel idea. This is an idea that has been attempted, and it has failed badly. Now, in addition to this, South Africa is a dangerous country. No one denies that, and it's dangerous wherever you go. But within the dangers there, there's a particular type of murder that happens. They call them like farm murders where you'll have people who usually a lot of them are workers on farms or they live near them. And you'll have intrusions on farms and they will just rob and often horribly murder the people on the farms. Now, yes, this is within the context of a lot of crime happening in South Africa.

But it's yeah, there's very much a targeted element where like you would not need to do this level of depraved violence against them, except that you do, in fact, want to do you want to like murder these white farmers who you've been whipped into a frenzy against and so this is what happens in south africa is people who are running these successful farms get targeted and while they're getting targeted for these horrifying murders you have members of the south african parliament of the government who talk about we should kill white farmers we should massacre them or they'll greatly downplay it so i want to do two things first of all uh we should play this clip because this guy is um what's the number on the uh for every one of ours five of them can you give me the number on that i don't see it in the sheet we show andrew's shot first it's the greatest shot ever i wasn't gonna bring it up out of respect for

you charlie but i was just gonna say the the fact that he's a Huskies fan. I'm arguing in the background. Oh, that's great. This is the greatest thought crime ever. I'm hearing laughing. Is that a flag of South Africa? The South Africans say kill the boar, and us Huskies say something the ducks that rhymes with ducks. I'm just going to say it.

I would cry if i didn't have a logo behind me i didn't know we were actually i was like tyler that's your usual seat i'll sit over here and i saw the shot it was a setup national runner-up last two years ago yeah privacy to loan debt so many americans feel stuck and helpless they are the sponsor of our campus tour they are great people you can finally take control of your student loan situation at YRefi.com. That is Y-R-E-F-I.com. They provide you with a custom loan payment based on your ability to pay. YRefi is not a debt settlement company, and they work with each borrower individually, tailoring each loan to each borrower's specific situation. You'll not be calling a faceless call center. YRefi can reduce your

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I want to Charlie first the guy I'm about to show you a clip from I want you to attempt to read his name because you know how bad I am at this

I know that's why I sent it to you try to pronounce that one Andili Minxstama it is M-N-G-X-I-T Minxstama so this is like a funny ongoing joke that we have here at the Charlie Kirk show It is M-N-G-X-I-T. Ministama. So this is like a funny ongoing joke that we have here at the Charlie Kirk Show. I have a lot of problems with this. Charlie and accents.

Everybody thinks he's just making fun of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, but that's literally the best he can do. I think my personal favorite is that with Bolsonaro, Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil. It's just Bolsonaro, but it's Latin American, so he has the compulsion. Bolsonaro. When I met him and I interviewed him, the team was like, it's Bolsonaro. And he's like, Bolsonaro, not Bolsonaro.

Maybe they can't do it either. You can lean into your Anglo and just go with it. But anyway, so this Nenek, he has a name like he's a freaking Superman villain. But anyway, this is a guy who's in the South African parliament right now. He is an elected officeholder. Let's play clip 418. Each one person that has been killed by the taxi industry will kill five white people. Five to one black person will kill five white people. Five white people. You kill, you kill five white people. You kill one of us, we'll kill five of you.

We'll kill the children, we'll kill the women, we'll kill anything that we find on our way. So I think he was saying he wants five white people, right? So he says, for every one they kill of us, we'll kill five white people. He's like an elected leader. We'll kill their children, we'll kill their women. And I don't know know if it was in the clip but he also says we'll even kill their pets but this this feels like a perfect example of like michael anton's celebration parallax because like if you listen to the media they're like it's not happening but it's good but it's good that it is like this is it so for example the statement from the african national congress party they put

this out the other day this is like a real thing we tweeted this and so they have this whole thing disavowed the falsehood of african or refugees uh and they included this line and so they have a thing where like we commemorate our constitution affirms equality dignity and non-racialism as the bedrock of national life then they say what the instigators of this falsehood seek is not safety but impunity from transformation they flee not from persecution but from justice equality and accountability for historic privilege they go on like this my favorite part though is at the end for media inquiries. Please reach out to Mangaliso Stalin Konza. That same guy that was. No, no, different guy.

But there's someone who's going by Stalin. Stalin's his nickname. Oh, yeah. Great. Well, so so what's really crazy about what you're saying is and I pulled this up last year. I'll have to pull it up again uh again it's i know it's on my tour somewhere but so what we call this this whole bit about you're saying about um the past transgressions and the historical disparities etc so usually that type of language when we hear in

the united states we would refer to that as crt or critical race theory so these are typically policies and dei is a similar related policy at corporations. And you see these in schools and the military and many different large organizations and institutions throughout the United States. Here's what's crazy. In South Africa, they have it literally written into their constitution. So that means it's like in their Bill of Rights. So if you wanted to get rid of CRT in South Africa, as it stands right now for every single position that they do. The whole thing's falling apart. And you can't just get a new president elected and turn it off.

You'd actually have to change their foundational constitution from the 90s, which, by the way, was something that Bill Clinton supposedly in his administration helped Nelson Mandela on. Can we play this Yamiche clip? Because I think it's telling. 2.55. This is where she says it's appalling because there's just lots of crime and everybody's getting hurt. It's not just white South Africans. 2.55. So the Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white South Africans assimilate better and they're also not as much of a security risk. That's really causing a lot of people to be appalled, frankly. And I also should tell people that this violence that they're talking about that are dealing with these Afrikaners, I've been hearing from people that say there is violence in South Africa, but it's affecting everybody of every single race, Katie.

Really, it's what you said on twitter the other day like deep down what a lot of these people want is they actually want it to boil over and they kill a ton of people so they can come in and say like this is what happens because they were racist they deserve to have this happen to them like they really really deep down want that to happen and it's kind of like with uh you know with like the floyd riots where sometimes like people some people really wanted that to blow up and they would go burn down some middle-class suburb and then they could see like see that's what happened because you didn't i mean you're totally right this relates to like blm writing when people were just like like the liberal media was bending over backwards twisting themselves into pretzels to try and justify the

looting it's like a form of reparations or this is what happens what what was aoc saying that that you know riots are the language of a of a oh that would i mean they would all quote mlk because he said something of that something of that well i forget what the quote is but it's like riots are the language of a of the unheard of the unheard yes or something and and i think that's kind of the way that liberal progressives are looking at South Africa. They look at the fact that they own 70% of the land and they think that that's not fair, even though, I mean, there is a very clear case to be made that if you just took all that land and gave it to black South Africans, that you would see the productivity fall off a cliff. And would they be able to even marshal the resources to be productive again is a large question mark. I mean, there is.

That's really besides the point, because they don't want productivity. What they want is they want to kill and just like expropriate the people who have things. Well, I totally agree. None of this can be understood without understanding that the core of it is driven by resentment and hatred of people who are productive who are successful who are innovative that is what i mean that's fundamentally what undergirds any marxist leninist but i do think that they think in their back of their minds like if we could just seize this land and give it to the black south africans everything would be better because our our people would then share with all the wealth the thing that i get that it's beside

the point it's a secondary point. But I'm challenging that assumption, being like, if you stole all that land, there is not a single guarantee that it would be productive moving forward. I don't know the example of Zimbabwe, how it's gone after, but it doesn't seem like it's gone very well

after they drove all the white farmers out. Yeah, what happened, Rhodesia was the gem of Africa. It was the most beautiful country. It's actually where Lion King was inspired. The Tree of Life is actually inspired from Rhodesia. And yeah, they got rid of the nice government and the Mugabe, who was actually funded by the Soviets, took over and went after the white men.

In fact, one of our board members, Mike Miller, had his ranch taken away from him he was an american jeweler who bought a ranch in rhodesia and he was in america he got a call and they're like the communists basically the blacks say that they control all your land now you should uh and they killed everyone so the head of not everyone so one of the cool things so the head of rhodesia when it was still a white minority role was Ian Smith was his name. He was this World War Two hero. He's a very fascinating figure. And then he settles in Rhodesia after the war and eventually becomes the head of the government there.

And one of the more interesting things is like once he did step down as president, people said he should leave. And he was like, I am never going to leave. And he just settled in Harare, which is the capital. I think it used to be Stanley or some other name. But he settles in Harare. And they're like, dude, they're going to kill you. And he's like, no, they won't. They're not going to do it. And they never did.

And he just lived there the rest of his life. And what's really incredible is if you look at videos of modern day Zimbabwe, any news stories about it on YouTube and stuff, you'll find comments. And they'll just say, like, I'm a black Zimbabwe, any news stories about it on YouTube and stuff, you'll find comments and they'll just say like, I'm a black Zimbabwean and getting rid of Ian Smith is the biggest mistake we ever made. It was like a huge disaster. And it's very interesting.

He's a fascinating figure. Rhodesia edits are like really taking off on TikTok right now. They're only, they're number two behind Charlie Kirk campus clips, but. Is that right? What do you mean Rhodesia edits? Tell me. So Rhodesija no it's it's like what blake is talking about so it's i was joking it's like the zoomers found out about radija so they'll find footage of uh what

what harare and different parts of radija looked like during that time it was unbelievable and they'll put edits to it usually starts off with um uh if you remember that movie blood diamond with like leonardo dicaprio and jennifer connelly and they're at this bar and he goes and she goes oh well that's something you know that's easy for you to say as a white south african and he goes white south african i'm a rhodesian she goes, I thought we said Zimbabwe now. And he looks at her, he just goes, do we? And then it cuts to like the music comes in and everybody's like, and it's just showing how nice Rhodesia was when it was, you know, when it was not under communist control. But they're really, really all over TikTok right now.

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terrible killing uh posted a with a jacket calling the last rhodesian so of course they're trying to connect yeah yeah love of rhodesia there's definitely like a few people for whom this is like a kind of aspirational thing in a sort of gross way i don't think we should deny that sure what we also shouldn't deny is like they're like to the extent that south africa remains functional a lot of it is because of these africaners who have you know and the european english and africaners who have like built up the country and have like worked very hard to sustain it and this sort of like marxist ideology that views any form of like success or any wealth disparity as the greatest crime ever they will blow the country to smithereens well one of the only other functional south africa sub-saharan african nations is kenya which is also in the english

system so it's like you look at the way that we do laws and the way that we we we have customs and a form of government i mean the english exports across the world succeeded at the highest clip i would say ever and what they're doing is trying to dismantle that vestige as well as you know the the drive out a lot of the most the most successful african countries are often the ones that were the most determined to kind of sustain their european legacy like west africa is not a great place in general uh but for about 20 years after independence probably the most successful one was uh ivory coast which is so french that they go around making everyone call them

instead of ivory coast and i would say code of our yeah something whatever but also there's no elephants there that the ivory coast name is basically a lie but anyway well that's because they killed them all for the ivory look well ivory is pretty cool so it's understandable there isn't there's still an ivory embargo in the west yeah right you know well i mean they're trying to make them go extinct man it's not good what's what's i i have a whole thought crime on that which is when it was legal to hunt elephants there were more elephants when the poachers now do it, there's less elephants. Anyway, it's basic economics.

Hunters want more wildlife. If you want the truth, a lot of it was post-independence. A lot of the order broke down. I'm sure that's true. You had a lot more, like, they would actually police against poaching. Well, no, that's what I'm saying, but because there was an incentive to do that.

Well, there was an incentive to keep it on the up and up, to make it orderly. Well, there's still incentives, but now what it is is African countries are kind of – they lack state capacity. So it's like stopping crime if you're in – well, for example, if you're in a South African city. They have police. The police are just not super effective. What is cool – you may like this, though – is in um i think in kenya maybe some others but because poachers are so bad and like so aggressive in some african states i think kenya but i just want to preface that i might be wrong uh the anti-poaching police have the right to just shoot

to kill yeah that's right correct yep and the most effective anti-poaching groups though are the mercenaries and i mean it's poaching is a very serious yeah serious thing in africa it's anyway sorry we're gonna have rhinos are gonna go extinct because our next topic we'll get to the chinese they just if there's an animal and it's beautiful and rare and like you'd want to make an animal cracker out of it the chinese want to eat it because they think it's an aphrodisiac it's a major problem it is a cure for cancer mostly aphrodisiac. It's a major problem. Or a cure for cancer. Mostly aphrodisiacs. It's typically aphrodisiac. No, it's true.

When I was in China, I would see it everywhere. And you would find people just absolutely swore by it. And it's not like in some secret shop where you've got to go for the curio shop. It's the 1920s Chinatown or something. It's just all over the place like regular pharmacies and stuff but yeah so now obviously we have they're letting in some of the africaners into the u.s which i'm thrilled about yeah we should take 600 000 of them and put them in arizona nevada georgia and pennsylvania we have actually a lot here in arizona we have a lot of south africans south tons of south africans yeah i wonder what their voting rates would be we have a south african on one of our boards i wonder if

we i but what you think it'd be like 80 20 90 10 so some of them are 95 they're all conservative i don't want to over assume things because some of like some of them are you know very devoutly religious in that old dutch reform sort of way but the truth is like they are kind of also a lot of more liberal in the way like white europeans are i don't know the south africans i've met at the experiences they have what they disdain they come here hating race politics every single that's like one of the things they hate and it's beyond that too it's just it's the entire cultural of it being anti-marxist is they are every single one that i've met here in arizona we again we have a lot we have a lot of oddly uh conservative

uh south africans and they're all vocal one of the best ear nose and throat doctors in scottsdale uh was a guy by the name is still alive. Doctor had a neck surgery. Dr. Gordon Chait, South African. Great guy. Anyway, so I just happen to know a lot of South Africans.

Well, when I was growing up, there was already a lot of South Africans at my school. They're super decent people. Well, they were good. That was good family. Very productive, smart kids.

We have to be careful. So we have to watch out for is thinking on it more. I think the liberal South African Europeans are the English. This is one of the liberal south african europeans are the english this is one of the most underrated weird rivalries in the world english south africans and boer dutch south africans do not like each other it's like blood diamond was rhodesia probably i didn't see that movie oh no it had ties to rhodesia yeah okay well there's a rhodesian clip from blood diamond that we could play if you guys are interested. Oh, you should totally play it.

439. Let's go play it. I'm from Rhodesia. We saw some bop-wings. Don't we? Do we? Piss off, huh? We could take that.

That's it, Dennis. oh i get it i i thought it was just a movie clip but it's the tiktok edits that jack's talking about we say we say zimbabwe don't we do we do we do we south africans i hate how good of an actor he is he's he's like tom tom cruise it's like you can make fun of these people but they're really good to watch like bad famous actors like kevin costner who's an objectively awful actor like very bad and then you like you like kevin cost i don't have strong feelings about him like he just really hated draft day you will never see kevin costner the same through the same lens when you acknowledge he's a terrible actor. No, he was really bad. I feel like Waterworld. I feel like Gen Xers would go to the grave defending Kevin Costner.

I've always defended Waterworld. I don't have strong opinions on Kevin Costner. You like Waterworld, Jack? I love Waterworld. Oh, that's unwatchable. People just love terrible acting. I think it's so good. Star Wars Episode III just got re-released, and I had to endure people pretending that movie is good.

Yeah, don't get me started on that. But no, I liked Waterworld. Obviously, we've covered Yellowstone and the Hick-Libery of that a million times. I thought the postman was good. Remember the Tom Petty scene? No. When he walks up like, hey, man, I know you.

You used to be someone. He's like, not anymore, man. I'm just anybody else now. So good. I feel like every Gen X male defends Field of Dreams. I will say that Costner used to be made fun of for how bad of an actor he was. JFK, he was a terrible actor in that movie. Oh, I never watched that.

And I guess older Kevin Costner is more regal and more... JFK is not a good movie. But another bad actor is Ben Affleck. He's a terrible actor. Yes, yes. 100 percent. 100 percent. Except in Accountant where he literally plays someone who has a mental disorder.

And I guess the new. Bradley Cooper. Pearl Harbor I always bring up. No, the new Accountant's cooper pearl harbor i always bring up no the new accountants out but i haven't seen it yet but no the only one i like ben affleck in is it is the accountant where he literally plays someone who is supposed to be like a wooden mute so he has he's like neurodivergent with personality issues and it's like oh yeah he could play that just fine oh my gosh the internet believes that gwyneth paltrow is the worst actress ever I don't think that's right how come Gwyneth Paltrow

never threw Harvey Weinstein under the bus and they say that Keanu Reeves is a bad actor I think he's a good actor he's also super based and smart he's a bad actor that has survived and so therefore he's become like kind of

likable it's become a shtick it's become like kind of likable for his it's become a shtick it's become like a staple of our childhood so it's like okay now he was in like the matrix which is the worst one the absolute worst one and I will absolutely I will go to bat for the whole die on this hill is Jennifer Lawrence

Jennifer Lawrence did not act she is horrible all of her like all of her casting dried up after Harvey Weinstein got arrested, and nobody even said anything about it because everybody knew what was going on there. She's objectively just a bad, bad actress. Yeah, she drives me crazy. What was the one she got really famous for? Hunger Games.

Hunger Games, yeah. You've sometimes used Hunger Games. No, there's good stuff about Hunger Games, but you've sometimes used Hunger Games I like Hunger Games there's good stuff about Hunger Games but not Jennifer Lawrence yeah I mean she's by the way

the reason let's just be honest why Hunger Games is good is Philip Seymour Hoffman yeah Philip Seymour Hoffman is great what a loss one of the greats

you want to talk about acting anything with Philip Seymour Hoffman Blake is uninterested well I've been watching all of the Mission Impossible movies because like the final one is coming out soon he's so good at that character he's pretty good in mission impossible

there is that archetype of like the sage kind of like crafty there's something happening but charlie well they're talking about bringing back philip seymour hoffman and uh using ai using ai okay no i've got to stand against this no i don't know actors are bad news. Wait, but Charlie, Charlie, how bad is it that we are not going to get in this lifetime Philip Seymour Hoffman playing Steve Bannon? No, I mean, come on. I mean, that's worth AI, okay? The one I always wanted. I can't unsee that.

Look at this. You got to put the picture up. You got to put the picture up You gotta put the picture up Put it up Yeah sorry It's Steve Like it's literally Steve I mean come on

And he would do a Marvelous job He would do such a good job He needs to That baby Bannon thing It would be Like him doing that monologue I made that

I made that this morning I made a baby Stephen Miller Last night To just test it out And then I made baby Bannon This morning And baby Stephen Miller last night to just test it out and then I made Baby Bannon this morning and it did like a million views Should we do Baby Bannon? What platform do you use to make that?

Which AI generator? So you have to use a bunch together so you have to generate a still image of the baby version of someone first then you get the audio. So you want the actual audio. This is too much work.

Okay, Jack, wait, let me just play it. 441. And then you animate it. This is baby Bannon. Because the facts are on our side. Joe Biden never got 15 million votes. More votes than Barack Obama. Impossible.

We didn't pick up net 12 House seats when we lost the presidential. Impossible. We didn't pick up net 12 House seats when we lost the presidential. Impossible. We didn't win 19 of the 20 bellwethers and lose the presidency. Impossible. I made a pen into a crayon. I used

a software called Hydra that lets you animate still images. Honestly, that one took like 20 minutes. It wasn't hard at all. Hey, everybody. Charlie Kirk here. Brand new year, brand new opportunities to change the world for the better.

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if you throw that image up, that's a pretty, like that is Bannon. Again, you have to control the memes. I mean, come on. That's Steve Bannon. When you control the memes, you control everything.

I think it was an oxy over, like it was. He was so young. No, he was, it was opioids. Yeah. I think it was an oxy overdose. He was so young. No, he was, it was opioids. Yeah. I think it was an opioid thing. It was a Frank Luntz special.

I think he was like the first good job, Frank Luntz. Good job, Frank. Straight heroin. Great job, Frank. He has one of the greatest scenes ever in Hunger Games when it's just like

when he's talking about, you know, the blue shark. Oh my gosh. He was in Moneyball. I forgot about that. He was really good in Moneyball. So good in Moneyball. Punch Drunk Love. Buzz the Moneyballball. I forgot about that. He was really good in Moneyball. So good in Moneyball.

Punch Drunk Love. Buzz the Moneyball guy. Boogie Nights. One of the greatest actors ever. Yeah, ever. Huge loss. Almost famous. Charlie Wilson's work.

The talented Mr. Ripley. He's the CIA guy in Charlie Wilson's work. Before the devil knows your day. It's going to be a great idea, Charlie. It's going to be a great idea. Well, is it me or has there not been a cultural transformational movie in like five years? Like everyone gravitates towards it. Everyone talks

about it. Five years? Ten years? Look at the side-by-sides. The Paul Thomas Anderson movie. No, like Avatar was the closest I could think of to that. And yet Avatar's like had no cultural like sticking point at all. Avatar was awful. Wait, wait, wait.

I think it subconsciously convinced people to be environmentalists. Charlie, do you like Avatar? People were environmentalists in the 90s, the 2000s. No, no. It had all these indigenous people BS. The adoption of climate change didn't come until after.

Isn't there another one coming up, though? It was a virulent subculture. We had that terrible The Day After Tomorrow movie in 2004. The plot was just like Ferngully plus Pocahontas. Avatar was not kicking off

any of that stuff. That was all just James Cameron absurd fandom. Made a ton of money. We got all those terrible 3d movies afterwards but the cultural staying power of it was minimal although i do remember there was this extremely bizarre article it was the it was the highest grossing film that's the thing though like no no because it was a roller coaster still it was people went to avatar people went to avatar because it was like a roller coaster it was like the first big 3d movie yeah it was it was like those it's like

those movies um and james cameron spent a lot of time by the way in in the interim between uh titanic and that making those like he would make those like movies that you watch at the observatory kind of things where you're like or like oh wow Oh wow. I'm at the planetarium, but now I'm underwater. Look at me, look at this. Like, like that, that's all it was.

It was just a series of like scenescapes that looked cool in 3d. And that's why I did so much business. I was in China when it came out at one point. And I mean, it was, there'd be theaters in downtown Shanghai where it was the only thing playing on every screen in a 24 screen theater. And the Chinese loved it because they'd never seen anything like that before.

But it wasn't because of the plot or anything like that. They could care less. They just thought it was a cool experience. And then we got Avatar 2, The Way of Water. That already came out. It already made over $2 billion, and it was equally irrelevant. Or not irrelevant, but it had no staying power.

That's what we really have. I want to watch The Master again. It's the Scientology movie. I really want to watch it. It's so good. So apparently adjusted for inflation, Gone with the Wind is still... Yeah, Gone with the Wind is still number one. Yeah, when you adjust for inflation, it's like Gone with the Wind and Star Wars.

Who watches these Avengers movies? Dude, I have no idea. Avengers Endgame, Avengers, Avatar. I think Marvel Slop is one of the... People love their Marvel Slop. I can watch it once, but they've been... What is going on here? They've been going down.

Yeah, they have. All right, we need... Okay, adjusted for inflation. Now, this can all be pretty misleading because back in the day, Okay, adjusted for inflation. Now, this can all be pretty misleading because back in the day, a lot of these movies didn't have total global releases. Yeah, total global.

I think E.T. is up there. I think The Godfather is still one of the greatest movies of all time. Oh, I could watch The Godfather. Oh, yeah, Godfather is a masterpiece. I will die on that hill. Godfather 1 is better than Godfather 2. Correct, but you know, Godfather, well, let me think about that.

3 is the worst in my opinion. I think 3 is the weakest. Everyone thinks 3 is the weakest. It's a weakest, but it's still a good movie. I like 2 because it's largely – That's not a provocative take. Okay. I've never talked about Godfather in this show.

So the worst part about Godfather 3 is that Sofia Coppola is in it, and the best part of Godfather 3 is that she gets shot at the end of the Godfather 3. She's not that bad in it. People hate on her, but she's not that bad. Let me think about this. The reason I like Godfather 2, I think they successfully talked about the backstory. And they did a really good job of

flashbacking Godfather 2. That's my problem with it. You don't like it? Well, we get this in a lot of movies now where people will be like, this movie was good because it explained how a thing happened. Who cares? No, I think Godfather 2 is the same way. Blake is exactly correct.

Back to the Future 2. But that wasn't the only part of the movie. No, but that was the point of Back to the Future 2 because it changes the stuff. I think the stuff with Corleone is good. I think the stuff with Michael is good. But they aren't really that strongly related to each other. I'm sure some film father son I mean

yeah but I'm sure some film nerd can say like oh these things play together but really for the most part they don't and there's no like you could tell the entire story that was in Godfather part 2 from like Michael's perspective without needing the veto stuff

and really correct the only part where the overlap matters is at the end where there's the flashback and it's like right after he's killed his brother that's his brother is the only one who sticks up for him when he joins the military like that's a great scene that's what makes any of the prelude stuff yeah but that makes the whole movie more yeah but none of

like none of you know the original point is like there's no dramatic open with a knife has anything you're just getting more information that you already knew that doesn't actually add to the dramatic tension of the events that are ongoing. Whereas in the first movie, it is a wholly self-contained film within one timeline

as opposed to needing these bridges to go into the past that don't end up going anywhere. Also, you get rid of Robert De Niro. I think that's something we can all agree on well de niro isn't godfather 2 right yeah yeah he's not saying if you cut no that's what i'm saying if you cut the flashbacks out you would get rid of robert de niro do you want i'm sorry hot take he's actually a good actor do you want my really controversial movie take no i know but he deserves to be i don't like goodfellas i actively i i agree i think it's overrated

yeah like i'm not a huge fan producer foz is like banging on the glass right now uh the the one with jack nicholas is better than goodfellas what's that one called the one we talked about it with the boston oh yeah uh the departed much better the departed is so good i love the departed so first of all this is me being super like midwestern german i generally don't like mob movies he's a good actor i'm sorry i hate how good of actor. I generally don't like mob movies. He's a good actor. I'm sorry. I hate how good of an actor he is. I generally don't like mob movies because I personally watch them and I just want the

police to kick in the door and like gun everyone down for the sake of law and order. So I can't relate to that. Really? So you don't like the Sopranos? I've never seen the Sopranos. Breaking Bad. I've never seen Breaking Bad. See, this is we got to see.

They don't fully appeal to me. All these. That's so interesting. So so that like the departed. So, you know, it appeal to me. That's so interesting. So, The Departed. So, you know, what's interesting with The Departed, you might want to go watch this. It's a remake of a Hong Kong movie. That's right. And the Hong Kong movie is called Infernal Affairs, I believe.

Oh, it's Infernal. Yeah, Infernal Affairs. I haven't seen it, but my understanding is a big issue with it is in The Infernal Affairs, the Matt Damon equivalent character is more sympathetic than he is in the departed. So he survives, I believe the end of infernal affairs, but it's like,

okay. I think it's something like the, you know, the Leonardo DiCaprio guy dies, but the Matt Damon equivalent like goes straight as a cop. I'm going off memory here. It's been a long time, but then when they made it in America,

Matt Damon guy was so despicable that no one would tolerate him surviving that movie so they clearly just ran out of it they were like how are we going to resolve this kill everyone and they just killed everybody the amount of information you retain is unbelievable infernal affairs infernal he's right I've seen I've seen the Hong Kong version um with the yeah it's like it was one of the movies I would watch when I was doing like language learning even though I don't speak uh Cantonese but you can still do it with the it was one of the movies I would watch when I was doing language learning even though I don't speak Cantonese but you can still do it with the Mandarin subtitles they're similar and you're right the Matt Damon character

is like he's just not a douchebag he is in the Departed version you want him to get shot and then in this it's like oh he's actually kind of cool like he's actually kind of cool. Like he's actually – it's more like he's seen as like an upstanding, honorable police officer who's put into a bad situation, if that makes sense.

Now, are we Pulp Fiction fans? Oh, yeah. I love Pulp Fiction. Have you seen Pulp Fiction? It's Trump's favorite movie. Is it really Trump's favorite movie? Yeah. Really? It's not like Phantom of the Opera

or something? I never knew that was Trump's favorite movie The Phantom of the Opera movie this is going to annoy you again because I remember it The original Phantom of the Opera, the musical takes place in the 1890s In the movie version they changed the year to 1870

for no reason and that was the one year they should not have picked because in 1870 Paris is reason and that was the one year they should not have picked because in 1870 paris is surrounded by the prussian army and they're all starving and they're eating the animals in the city zoo it would be like if you made a movie that was like set in 19 like 55 germany and you just moved it to 1945 for no reason and there was no mention of world war ii at all and everything was just normal i don't find that annoying for the record. I think it's really intriguing that you have all this information.

Well, but at the same time, the real issue with that isn't the dating of it. It was that, and by the way, Emily Rossum is fantastic in that. It was that Gerard Butler can't sing. For all the fun that he is and the great characters that he's played in 300 and everything else, I'm sorry, but King Leonidas should not be singing love songs to Christine Daae. It really didn't work. It really didn't work. Well, that was a good time.

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I have a friend that's in there. That's like a disgusting, awful. Isn't that Bradley Oh, interesting. Really? I have a friend that's in there. Oh, disgusting. That's like a generic thing. Isn't that Bradley Cooper? You know what? I'm out. I can't do this. No.

We lost Jack. It's Matthew McConaughey. Matthew McConaughey. Oh, I get those two confused all the time. Yeah. What about you, Blake? Gun to head. I usually...

I'm not like big on number one favorites, but I usually will say like Die Hard is my favorite action movie. Love Die Hard. And my favorite comedy movie. The original, though one favorites but I usually will say like Die Hard is my favorite action movie and my favorite like comedy movie the original though I usually say Die Hards are great for comedies I usually say

Thank You For Smoking Die Hard 2 sucks Thank You For Smoking is really good if you've never seen it Die Hard 3 which one is that that's the one in New York

The Bombs in New York yeah wait Thank You For Smoking that's David Sacks' movie oh yeah he was involved in that so was Elon

Elon Musk had a candy on Thank You For Smoking Die Hard 3 is really funny because Die Hard has the best TV edits so like in Die Hard well in Die Hard 3 remember the villain makes him wear the sign

he has the sign that says I hate n words oh i don't like in the town and then on tv they edit it with digitally to say i hate everyone and it makes it really funny because then this crowd is surrounding him and like threatening to like you know kill him or beat the crap out of him it's like they're really militant about him saying he hates everyone uh the first die hard is one of the great and then on the first one when he says, you know, Yippee-ki-yay MF-er. They change it to Yippee-ki-yay Mr. Falcon.

Wait, I have a thought crime on this. I have a thought crime on this. My thought crime on this is that I like Lethal Weapon and the Lethal Weapon series better than Die Hard. Wow. No, no, no, no, no. I've always liked it better. René Russo or René, right. Full circle. What was the co-host? Rene Russo or Rene, right?

Full circle. Who are the bad guys in Lethal Weapon 2? I don't remember. The South Africans. The South Africans. And they have diplomatic immunity and they're using it to do crimes, but then they revoke it. But Blake, who are the bad guys in, who are the real bad guys based on in Die Hard 1? Die Hard 1, it was a bunch of irritating Germans.

It was, yeah, it was a bunch of irritating germans it was who are they based the red army right but they're based on the red army faction who are an actual left-wing like kgb front group in that operate in west germany there's such a uh an op on the the modern american mind of who we villainize because of these movies right right? Like, it is plausible that we hate South Africans, or a certain cohort hates South Africans simply because of the movie depictions and things like that. I mean, we really have to be on guard for that, right? I mean, I grew up hating Germans when I was, like, 12 years old because of all the World War II movies I watched.

If you want, really. What was your guys' favorite movie, though? Same. Godfather or Lord of the Rings. Oh, no, we'll go down that track godfather gay no godfather is the least gay it's a movie filled with italians being emotional no you're just being ridiculous with italians being emotional dude this is the thing italian men can get away with way more effeminate stuff and still be straight as an arrow. I like The Dark Knight.

I think it's great. Oh, The Dark Knight's classic, actually. I could watch The Dark Knight any time. I agree with you. It's really hard for me to pin one down. I was going to go with The Godfather 2. I like it better than 1, but I love 1. And then I was going to go with Back to the Future 2.

2. I love going to the future. Yes, Back to the Future 2. I love the hoverboard stuff. But that's just like watchability. No, he goes to the future and then goes back in time. It's got everything. I'm going to have another really terrible take.

You guys are going to hate me for this. But Good Will Hunting, I still love that movie. I know. I know. What is wrong with you? Oh, I like that one. My second top movie is Fury. I love Fury. What is wrong with you? i i think about the same movie my second top movie is fury i love fury what is wrong with you oh fury is great yeah fury is fantastic villains

and who are allowed to have as villains that's not uh did you ever see this terrible and terrible ben affleck movies terrible j-lo and all the terrible ben affleck movies that also go into who we can have as villains did you ever see the sum of all fears so the sum of all fears the book by Tom Clancy the villains who get a nuclear bomb and they like use it to blow up the Denver Broncos I think the villains in that are Islamic terrorists and

when they made the movie in 2002 they were like we can't attack the religion of peace that's not okay so they got rid of the Islamic terrorists and they made them neo-Nazis and then well then and then then he was also on bill maher being like you can't say that about muslims uh ben one good ben affleck movie that doesn't get enough appreciation the town he went back to boston for the town's all right the town's good it's legitimately a good film it's all right it's a solid film you know who's one of those Underrated actors I was looking Russell Crowe

Russell Crowe Very underrated The Gladiator is still One of my top Do you like Fat Rock Crowe As much or not I wanted to say They don't make movies

Like that anymore The new Gladiator Russell Crowe I didn't say Braveheart But I thought it was Too cliche So Ridley Scott I'm sure

The original Gladiator's good Alien's good Napoleon Wait Beautiful mind Gladiator 2 Are two of the worst movies I have ever seen in my life. If you ever want, Charlie, if we need to fill time, you can give me a camera and a microphone, and I could go for an hour straight uninterrupted on how bad Napoleon was. That was a terrible movie.

We did that before. Now, here's the question. We did, but we didn't go along enough on it. I could have really. Going back to Russell Crowe, though, because, you know, we got to say, it's just weird, though, when I see, like, the current, like, big, fat Russell Crowe as opposed to, like, the gladiator Russell Crowe because that's, like, in my head that's always who he'll be.

But I guess he's on that, like, Taylor Swift tour diet or something because he's just all chubbed up now. He got fat during Beautiful Mind, which Mind, which was right next to it. Russell Crowe's gained a ton of weight. The Shawshank Redemption, I forgot. That's a great show. That video of him driving the little scooter in The Pope's Exorcist is the funniest thing. That became this meme for a while because it's big, fat Russell Crowe driving a tiny little Vespa around Vatican

City in a priest cassock. It's hilarious. Reservoir Dogs. Great movie. Fight Club. Oh yeah. Do you guys like Reservoir Dogs? Love Reservoir Dogs. I'm sure it's fine. I haven't seen it. I overall don't like Quentin Tarantino

that much. Why? I feel like whenever I'm watching a Quentin Tarantino movie, I can't help escaping the feeling this is a movie made by a really weird person. He's a sick puppy. But Kill Bill is objectively good. He's obsessed with feet. Yeah, he's got a toe fetish. This is a real thing.

Yeah, he's got a toe fetish. He has his people talk forever in a way that I don't find interesting. I like Kill Bill. I just remembered remembered the Russell Crowe Roger Ailes did you watch the loudest voice no no one's watched this you gotta watch it maybe interviewed him or something no he played Roger Ailes it's it's not a it's not a great depiction of Fox and all that stuff so it's not like oh man do you guys remember the first time you saw memento do you remember that oh yeah that was even if i had i would have forgotten it because you don't remember things i don't know i don't want to ruin it but like you should watch memento and then wait have i speaking of speaking of

quentin tarantino do you know you know that movie Sinners that's out right now is a total ripoff of Dust Till Dawn? No. It's the vampire one that he did with George Clooney, by the way, who has been in the news this week for Joe Biden, apparently. The new movie Sinners, Michael B. Jordan, is kind of like a South Africa version of that because it's literally just a movie about instead of two guys two guys trying to fight against vampires in a bar it's two black guys killing white vampires in a uh also in a bar i missed that last part but also in a bar he said yeah oh also wait we do actually have topics that we were prepared for should we we move on? We have meetings, like, stacked. So let's go five more minutes. Do a quick super pick your best one.

I literally have three more meetings. So welcome to the office. They made Pete Rose eligible for the Hall of Fame. Did you hear about that? Let's go. Do we have to do this again? Yes, we do. They announced that the ban, Manfred, the commissioner of baseball,

announced that they are revoking the ban on the show. You are obsessed with Pete Rhodes. Yeah, because you don't like him. Blake does not like him. We can talk about the Menendez brothers if you want. Do you want to do that? Menendez brothers should have been shot. Never bet against this team.

Most hits in MLB history. He totally bet against this team. 17-time all-Star at five different positions. The guy that hit it. Three-time world champion. The guy that banned him died the next week. Lookie of the year. Two gold gloves.

Silver slugger. World Series MVP. I mean, come on. Okay, so there was another guy. Played like it was his last game every game. There was another guy that Rob Manfred revoked the ban on. I'm trying to remember the name. But he was involved in um

corrupting the morals of a 14 year old girl would you at least oppose putting that guy in the house i don't even know who that is pete rose okay well rose also did that can you prove it well he admitted it in court but well i mean it depends on me i believe i think he did what well you know was he like criminally convicted for being a pedophile he was sued for it later and admitted that they had a relationship it was the 70s it was just i'm not gonna okay i'm kidding like i don't know i don't know that part of it that's a lesser known part of the discussion candidly well that came what was that based on it was his prohibition based on that no that just came out later in addition to all the gambling he did. He just doesn't seem to have been a very good guy, unfortunately.

And he totally bet on baseball. But not great people are still allowed to be in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, but not great people who accept it. It's not a character test. Keep in mind, for me, the key thing about Pete Rose, when he says he didn't bet against his own team, is that he lied at every step of the process. He said, I don't bet.

And then he said, I bet, but not on baseball. And then he said, I bet on baseball, but not in games my own team was involved in. And we finally got up to the point of, I bet on my own team, but never against my own team. And that is when he accepted a ban to stop any further investigation. And that's key to me. He took the ban to stop any further investigation. And that's key to me. He took the ban to avoid any further investigation, which could have been criminal in nature. So he took this ban to stay out of prison.

And then he suddenly tries to have it both ways by coming back 15 years later and saying, now I'm going to admit I bet, but not on my own team. I'm going to admit betting. Not against my own team just i'm gonna admit betting uh or not not against my own team i'll admit i bet including on my own team but please don't do all the you know now please stop the investigation he always was just he would lie on everything and then when he thought there was some advantage to admitting some part of it he would finally cop to it i just think so i just think he has no credibility for that sort of thing and then he also just but that's not what the hall of fame is about the hall of fame is about the people.

You should steroid guys. Look, look, Blake, there's a point here. Their performance. Babe Ruth was like really objectively a bad dude. Like he like. Yeah. No. Yeah.

What did he do? Have you not researched anything about Babe Ruth? What did you do? The guy like lived in whorehouses and likeorehouses and just drank himself to the ball club. No, no, no. He drank? He would be literally on the floor. They would pick him up.

He'd go up and swing and hit the ball. That makes him more impressive as a baseball player. Yeah, but everything you're saying is like he's just a bad dude. Babe Ruth was a bad dude. Babe Ruth was like a bad dude. I don't think having alcohol is comparable to betting on baseball. He was a raging alcoholic. He lived in literally the slums with, I'm telling you, like whorehouses. This is what he did.

And what you're saying is just because he's a bad guy, we should still celebrate Babe Ruth as the baseball baseball player that he was. We got to go. Sorry guys. Email us freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks for committing thought crimes with us. Thanks so much for listening.

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