The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 90 — The Epstein Nothingburger? Death by DEI? Celebrity AI Scams?

Episode Date: July 12, 2025

Slow news week, eh? Charlie, Jack, Tyler, and Blake dive into the debate about Jeffrey Epstein that is splitting the base. They ask what can be done to restore harmony, then ask:   -Did DEI up the death toll in the Texas floods? -Will AI celebrity deepfakes trick your parents into giving away all their money?   -What's the most objectionable part of Zohran Mamdani, and why is it him eating rice with his bare hands? -What is the "4 a.m. Club" and is it the female liberal Qanon? -Did Fruit of the Loom have a cornucopia in it back in the day, or not, or did reality bend to hide the truth?Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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over at Tampa, FL super excited, but the biggest news of course was guys case closed and on Jeffrey Epstein. My goodness, you know we all were waiting for the answers and boy, do we get all the answers that we were looking for and promised and gosh, I I can't even think of any more

questions that I have. No, I'm satisfied this one is case closed time to move on what what do you say folks turns out that binder was the end of the road yeah it was like we went everything was in there man that was that was exactly what was promised transparency on nothing else for us. Full transparency. Total transparency. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, you know, it's, I get that this has been like a debate and I think this is something obviously

Charlie's been talking about all week, obviously, like Dana Bash is on CNN, like playing clips of me talking about it this week regarding some of my comments regarding our illustrious attorney general. And you know, look look it part of this, though, I think is it's the calm strategy. Part of it, too. It's like the way like the way you communicate and the way that you treat

people and, you know, it's it's been a huge issue. But look, when it comes down to it, you know, this this isn't good enough. And I think that's really the bottom line is this is just not good enough. And when you're when you're in public life, you you know, you can you can set expectations. You always have to set expectations. But you know, my my rule of thumb if I'm trying to set expectations is under promise over deliver under promise over here. Jack, before you let's actually play that clip of yours I think it'd be pretty good let's get let's let's show clip

379 that led to a lot of frustration on line and elsewhere among people who are pretty influential with the MAGA base here's just a sampling she says that we don't need to hear about a Jeffrey Epstein ever again you know what this sounds like? I'm gonna tell you exactly what this sounds like. Pam Bondi sounds like Hillary Clinton right now. If you're MAGA those are fighting words to talk about Pam Bondi as as Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton oh my god that is that's like quite, man quite the slur. Holy cow Yeah, no look I knew that I knew that that would be effective for a number of reasons But you know not only because Hillary of course is as we know and the Clintons were directly involved with Epstein

but you know this this also this idea that You know that it was Hillary remember Hillary was someone who was saying that, oh, oh, you know, on Benghazi, you know, at this point, what difference does it even make? What difference does it even make? This was this famous, you know, and I actually had a couple reporters reach out to me after I did this, you know, this clip,

and they said, what do you mean she sounds like Hillary? What does that mean? So the left doesn't even understand how big of a phrase that is on the right. This was something that even decades later that we still talk about, what it means is that Hillary Clinton, during the Benghazi debacle, when people were asking, why didn't you deploy the quick response force? Why didn't you deploy all of these assets that we had around the Mediterranean and other

parts of the Middle East when Benghazi was under attack from this huge terrorist attack just weeks before the election in 2012? Why didn't you or Barack Obama deploy these forces, which by the way, you know, um, you don't need the president's order to do that. You can just, um, you know, they would just deploy automatically. She, she flips out in the house and says, at this point, what difference does it even make? And just starts banging the table.

And I said, man, that's, that's, that's what it sounds like. What I'm getting from the attorney general right now I believe I believe guys we have Charlie is Charlie and now I am here. Hello, and I'm wearing my rush was right t-shirt Dude, I need one of those t-shirts By the way, we're gonna sell out. It's like the most popular when we were made rush was right people love it No, yeah, like you don't save true stories We're gonna have a true the design is my uncle was give Brought a bunch of books to our 4th of July thing just like old books and someone has a prank had given him the

1996 Al Franken book attacking Rush Limbaugh Obviously it says a lot of nice things about Rush Limbaugh, but the real I looked at it What was fascinating it was just what a time capsule it was like what stuff people cared about He spends a lot of the book talking about I believe Phil Graham I don't know the last time I've thought about Phil Graham I know what is he was a Republican contender for the presidency in 1996. I think wait I can't even remember what office he was

No, you mean the guy from Tennessee, right? I maybe I actually can't remember the reverse mortgage guy Maybe you mean Fred something. No, no. There's William Philip Graham. It was an American. He represented Texas. And wow. Yeah. I he's still alive. Wow. He started as a Democrat, switched to the Republicans. Fred Thompson. Yeah.

You're thinking of Fred Thompson. This is Phil Graham. Nineteen ninety six. He was a presidential nominee contender and Man, I don't know if he's uh He referred to the 2016 election as scary because he didn't like Trump very much But now he's like he's like this guy getting really singled out in this 1996 Al Franken book So sorry about the detour there things they used to worry about so so I do want to ask so Blake you are Sorry about the detour there things they used to worry about so so I do want to ask so Blake you are Obviously you Blake you believe that Epstein killed himself

Probably that he wasn't as bad people as people. No hold on that makes it sound weird No, what I would say is I've always been open defend yourself I have always been open to the I call it the un conspiracy for Jeffrey Epstein Okay, so obviously he's been a figure for like 20 years at this point. There have been like rumors swirling about Epstein, these claims that he did, you know, sweeping blackmail, that he did all this predatory stuff. And of course, allegedly linked with, you know, our intelligence or someone else's intelligence. You can go on. And I thought, what if the answer to it is the unconspiracy, that Epstein was a charismatic guy, so he was very good at making, and maybe even like a really good liar, so he was very good at making people think he was wealthier than he was, although he was still clearly wealthy,

that he was more connected than he was, he maybe was very good at making people think he had these ties to intelligence. And what you'll find if you like look dig into history is people like that are kind of a recurring feature of life. I don't want to name him because he's a bit litigious, but like there's a guy in kind of right wing circles who like would always tell people like he was linked to the FBI and it appears that he was just constantly making that up. So maybe what you have with Epstein for example is oh he's getting in trouble with Florida that he was just constantly making that up. So maybe what you have with Epstein, for example, is, oh, he's getting in trouble with Florida,

as he was back in the late 2000s, but he's able to use his connections to sort of make everybody think, oh, this guy's linked with intelligence. We shouldn't delve too deep into that. And so what you have is a guy who he associated with a lot of rich people and he did, you know, obviously he pursued uh, underage girls

but maybe all of the additional stuff all of the like blackmail traps is not as spectacular as people were hoping for. The best argument, and I like Jack, that this is overblown, again I I'm not taking any position on this, is that all these law firms like

Boys Schiller and others, they were very invested in trying to find a criminal network here and they were unable to do that, basically. I mean, with dozens of clients and years of work, lawyers sued all of just two celebrities, Alan Dershowitz, who they had to apologize to in a zero dollar settlement when the only person accusing him turned out to be unreliable and someone who the government couldn't dare to call to stand trial, and Prince Andrew, who settled with exactly one punitive victim lucky enough to get a photo with him, probably finding it cheaper than the reputation, hidden inconvenience of being dragged into America in a headlines for a month in a he said, she said case.

The point, I guess there is an argument to be made that, this is your argument about Diet Coke, right? That trial lawyers will eventually find out if there is fire. Yeah, like there's- Would that be your contention here? You could make a lot of money if like, if Bill Gates abused somebody meeting with Jeffrey Epstein,

oh, you know, a guy who has a hundred billion dollars to soak from and they can't find a victim They can't find any case to bring against him something that as simple as if they had to settle to make the case go away It's yeah, it's the unsconspiracy like to me. It's not about that. It's not about that though it's the fact that if Jeffrey Epstein was in trouble and he had all these really famous friends that he brought with him, right the Immediate natural reaction would be for him to include all those people in the trouble that he's in and why would you kill yourself? without having You know explained where all these people were they came down like it just doesn't make any kind of sense

Like I there's been so many Part particular pieces of evidence when someone kills themselves that they almost always leave some kind of note or explanation or something to talk about and he basically sat quiet and silence and then didn't talk about any of this. Private student loan debt in America totals about $300 billion, but 45 billion in that is labeled as distressed. Why ReFi refinances distressed or defaulted private student loans

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Well, I guess one of the ways, so here is a piece of information that I think could be released that would not satisfy, Blake wouldn't care, but it would be interesting. Who were the other prisoners on Jeffrey Epstein's cell block? There's no reason why we should not have that information. Everyone should know that. Because basically their argument is, well, Jeffrey Epstein killed himself because no one was able to access the floor. OK, we agree.

That actually, I think, has been verified. Got it. OK, so then if he were to have been killed by somebody else and did not kill himself, it would have had to have been a prison guard, highly unlikely. So then it's likely another prisoner. And so then here's likely another prisoner and so then here's where it gets a little sauce every time someone tries to ask who the

other prisoners are they're like sorry that's a privacy violation okay so you guys have like a HIPAA law for prisoners is there is there a little bit according to Tucker according to Tucker he said that he's tried to find out who the other prisoners on the cell block were so that's a very important and I so if I were to you know just try to give some open advice that's a piece of information that I think would be really helpful. Yeah. How is that private though?

What is the law that apparently there's a federal prisoner privacy act. Seriously fact check me on this every time someone has got surprising every and by the way all those prisoners were like reassigned within days. Oh yeah. But we still know there's a record somewhere. Somebody knows who was on that cell block. Well it's not a long term holding facility, correct? No it's not, no of course.

But the point being is that there was somebody there, and that somebody might be free now. That somebody might have gotten some weird plea deal somewhere down the road. So if you want to like to find a focus of this energy, kind of find the energy of who were the prisoners on Jeffrey Epstein cell block. I think that's part of what the harm is is that I know Jack wants to come in here soon

so I won't go long but it's that I think there was a lot of energy put into this but it was very general energy and frankly I think there's an issue where a lot of people like over promise like people just they talked a lot about how oh we're Definitely going to get to the bottom of this big conspiracy and That frankly has happened a good amount of times in like the wider conservative movement they'll really fixate on something, you know Benghazi ten years ago or Frankly like the crossfire hurricane stuff any of the special investigators that they have going people frankly, like the crossfire hurricane stuff, any of the special investigators that they have going, people get hyped up that there's going to be this big revelation that blows everything open.

People died. People did die. But like, I think people often get hyped that there will be more stuff that comes out. And then when that doesn't happen, and most of the time it doesn't happen, they feel really betrayed. Hold on. Yes. And so I think that's a good validation because, and I think this is important, that transparency

advocates who tend to be more libertarian online and young. So people that care about transparency tend to skew more libertarian, which is skeptical of government power, more young and online. They voted for Trump in big numbers. And their expectations were set very high as some administration officials said there was going to be like this massive dramatic release. Does that make sense? Yes. So again, this, I'm not making the client list, the idea is like, oh, here's the 50 names. So you have a built in kind of, and I'm trying to explain this to some boomers, I will say

that on our program it is multi-generational. The anger and the outrage is multi-generational, but I'd say the focus is definitely the younger, the libertarian, the online folks. They voted for Trump in record numbers. One of the main reasons is like, hey, at least this guy is going, he got shot, they're trying to get rid of him, like, you know, this whole thing. And so then you had administration officials saying, like, hey, I have the client list on my desk. There's like a trunkload of stuff.

And it wasn't just one person. It was several administration officials. It was not just one. Instead, it should have been like, hey, this could have been diffused by 99%. And this was my advice to them. If they would have been like, guys, we just took office. I don't want to get your expectations up

But we're starting to look through this is honestly a little more lackluster and like give us some time to go through it It's gonna take some time But honestly like it's not what you think it is if they would have just said that it would have just been a huge diffusion Where does anger come from where it is anger come from when you vacation? When you go out to eat, when your expectations don't hit reality? And so if you go to a nice restaurant and all of a sudden they serve you, you know, KFC, you're like, what the heck? I'm paying a big... And with movies... I mean, you've seen this at airports when people's flights

are delayed, right? When expectations and reality are out of alignment, you get Carnival Cruise Line. To your point, Charlie, one of the ways to defuse this is like, they could have done over the course of the last six months, the work to say here, we didn't find anything, or there's issues here going on, but here are all the prisoners we're releasing. The president could do that. The president could come out and say, here are all the individuals that were on the block and we're investigating all these people to figure out what's going on with that. That would have brought a lot more trust into the room for sure than doing it the way they did it, setting improper expectations and then blowing it out. I know a little something about the way that it was done.

What do you know? Well, I know that I was brought to the White House for a series of policy briefings, and along with a number of other conservative individuals, Mike Cernovich is there, Scott Pressler was there, Sav Hernandez, the great Liz Wheeler, DC Drano, just lives at TikTok. Everybody knows, everybody knows these guys. And we were told that we were gonna be meeting with a group of cabinet secretaries, we met with Secretary Rubio, with Secretary Kennedy, the great Bobby Kennedy, we met with Vice President,

and even the president himself actually did us the incredible honor of visiting. But then when A.G. Bondi came in, she brought with her this set of binders and said, hey guys, you all want the Epstein files, right? And we're sort of looking around going, no one said anything about Epstein on the agenda today, but sure, we all want to know that.

We were familiar with the story and we'd love to see them. And then she directs her staff and says, well, guys, here's the Epstein files, phase one, and I'm giving it directly to you. And then immediately after that, we don't really have time to go through this huge binders with all these names in them. And, you know, we can't quite figure out whether this is new stuff or old stuff. And it turned out it was all old stuff. These things were full of baloney. But then right after that, we get pushed out through the the portico entrance of the West Wing, right where the entire international media was assembled for Keir Stommer's visit. And so we have all of these pictures of us with these binders that at that point, we hadn't, we were told that they were under embargo, that we couldn't look into them, we couldn't

report about them, we couldn't even get it out there. So again, if people want to talk about where did the hype come from, where was the hype train? Well, it's again, this was the way that it was rolled out and we were always told that there's gonna be phase two, phase three, phase four. So by the time I actually looked through it and it took a couple of minutes to sit down and said,

wait a minute, this stuff is already out before, where's the rest of it? We kept being told over and over that more was coming, that it hadn't been declassified yet, and it was just a complete break of trust, a complete and absolute break of trust, especially for, you know, a group of people like us who, look, we were invited there, we came because we wanted to help, we came because we wanted to show support, we wanted to do what we do every day, But more importantly, we wanted to get justice for the victims and actually justice

for the girls who were involved here. So, you know, what can I say? People ask, oh, are you angry? I say, yeah, I'm very angry. I'm very angry because, you know, I feel like I was used for a political stunt. So one idea I might have, what if a driving force of how kind of ineptly they did this with the phase two,

phase three, is whoever's involved in laying this out, it's probably not directly Pam Bondi or whoever deciding what their messaging is on this, it might be someone lower, what if the problem is they have a lot of really intense, like intense true believers at the second level, so they kind of assume there would be a lot more to it. And they're and like they over promise because they themselves assume there will just be this treasure trove of info that they can get out. And then they end up being extremely disappointed. It's a possibility. Yeah, I am. Jack, do you what what would make this right. So, you know, I don't know I think it necessarily make it right in that sense. I mean, a grave injustice was done to the victims has anyone apologize to you. To me, no, yes. Oh, no. Okay. Well, actually, I take that back. I take that back there. When when it comes to the Department of Justice, no, when it comes to

individuals who were involved in setting up the meeting, yes, yes. There there definitely were apologies, not just to me, but to everyone who was involved with that. And it was very clear, by the way that this binder stunt was not something that had been approved or socialized with the White House in any way. And so, you know, but that being said, because they called the meeting that, you know, the organizers from the White House side did, did say that they, you know, they expressed a deeper regret and we're very sorry about, about the way that that all happened. So yes. So then what, what do you think can make this right? What would be, I think a good action step is just tell us who

the prisoners on Jeffrey Epstein's cell block were. That's that that we can learn. The Bureau of Prisons has that information. You know, that's that's something, you know, I don't know that it necessarily gets to where people want. Look, look, Charlie, the problem here, right, from just just a PR perspective, right, from a comms perspective, is that, you know, we're told everything's coming, everything's coming, everything's coming, everything's coming, and then boom, that it's nothing. And wait, so you're not even gonna release some redacted document or some transcripts and some interviews and this information, that information.

And then the AG gets up and says, well, this is child porn, we can't release it. Nobody's asking you to release that, my God. Of course we're not asking you to release that. But the next step is, OK, well, so were there information, were there interviews with these victims? Did those interviews generate any leads? What about the search warrant? When Jeffrey Epstein was arrested the first time, by the way, by the Trump administration, which Trump never gets any credit for, that it was his

administration that finally brought the actual charges against Jeffrey Epstein back in 2019 that why not declassify the search warrant? What was on the search warrant? What were they going for? What was the probable cause? What was uncovered? What wasn't uncovered? What could still possibly be out there? Again, all of these things. Remember, people remember what it was like going through Russiag gate and going through those investigations and the crossfire hurricane counter investigations. And that's apparently generated some criminal referrals. Okay, great. You know, we remember going through with a fine tooth comb, all of the text messages and all the rest. But with this, we're just told that there's nothing and I honestly, it just seems ludicrous on its face that there would be nothing. honestly, it just seems ludicrous on its face that there would be nothing. So you have to release something regarding the Jeffrey Epstein investigation and give people a piece of it. No, I understand, by the way, obviously, you know, this idea that there's just a list of clients.

I mean, that's not how crime works. That's not how criminal conspiracies work. But the idea that there's nothing in terms of investigative files or, by the way, the original Jeffrey Epstein investigation, which was conducted by Mueller, even all the way back, way back when out of the Southern District of Florida, where he was given the non-prosecution agreement, this NPA, which a judge in 2019 said was illegal in the first place, where are all the files from that investigation?

Which is well over a decade ago. Charlie, everybody knows that these documents are out there and that the DOJ has them there in the Southern District of Florida. They're in the SDNY. And if they if they have to be unsealed, then unseal them or make the movements to unseal them. Just you have to release something. You can't say there's nothing.

Final thoughts, guys? I don't know. I just think it'd be it'd be funny if this is like what causes this like massive fatal breakup. I would say. I would discourage people from demanding like sweeping firings over this because it's easy to demand blood and then you're like. Oh now we need to spend six months confirming a new attorney general and we already have this giant backlog on everything. We do have some good deputies. We do, but what we also have is a very slow acting senate that like never does anything.

It's going to be 2027 when we finally get most of the positions filled. Yeah, or they'll just never be filled. Correct. Charlie Kirk here, crime is skyrocketing. You may already own a firearm, but before you face the financial and emotional weight of pulling the trigger, consider Berna. Berna's less lethal launchers fire tear gas and kinetic rounds designed to incapacitate attackers for up to 40 minutes, giving you time to escape and call for help without deadly consequences. I use Berna.

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ones hitting this why is this not the national by the way you know it's so weird yeah no one on the left is calling me a liar or a racist they're just immediately I was shocked again which you what she know there are free there just ignore They're like bizarrely ignoring this story Yeah, so for people who didn't see the clip on our show the other day or our tweet what's going on here? so they have chief Baker is the head of I think Joel Baker is the head of the

fire department in Austin, which is the nearest big city to where the floods have been going on in Texas. So, Kerrville, Texas is about an hour west of Austin. And what his own firefighters are saying, the firefighter union in Austin is saying is he could have pre-de pre deployed a lot of Austin firefighter assets near Kerrville to be prepared because they knew this big storm was coming and apparently he did not do so according to the union. He did not do so because he was worried that it would just be a financial issue. We cost them too much money to do it.

And in fact, these deployments like this are just reimbursed by the state of Texas. But he didn't understand the concept of reimbursement. They were explaining this to him, and apparently it could not get through his head that this was what was going on. And okay, he's incompetent. That incompetent fire chiefs happen. But where the bonus follow-up to this is, is that a decade ago, the Obama administration sued the fire department in

Austin. They said they were discriminatory, as they love to do with police departments and everything else. And so they reached a settlement, pressure was on, and lo and behold, the next appointment the city made for head of their fire department was the first black head of their fire department. He comes out clip 347. This two time fire chief wants to make a difference in the growing city of Austin and tells us he wants to start by bringing in more diversity. It's important that the Austin fire department as much as we can reflect the community which we serve. I mean, so you get you get a more diverse fire department, and you have more people unnecessarily die.

You know, it's such a shame that- Wait, do we have that clip? Because I remember, I was watching this, you know, when it came out, because I guess the Austin Fire Association said, they obviously knew about this from July 2nd, but they said they didn't wanna say anything until the bodies, the recovery operations

had started to wind down. And so on Monday of this week is when they did it. And that clip, and I think we're going to grab it here in a minute, that is where he you can just hear the emotion in his voice. He said, wait a minute, we have the best rescue swimmers in the world and we train for the hill country and we know this area from you know issues that have happened back in the 1980s here this is specifically what we train for and we go to this guy who's from Atlanta he's not even from Texas who doesn't understand how bad it

can get there doesn't understand or care about all the kids that are there and I remember watching this clip going why is nobody talking about this and then so I sent it to Bannon. I'm just like sending it everywhere. And it's like, I just don't get why. Well, and it's typical. It just doesn't fit the narrative. Yeah. And it's just, I don't quite understand why there's just such silence on this. And so Jack, walk us through the details. How many lives potentially could have been saved here? I mean, you know, Charlie, it's it's hard to say. But you have to imagine that if you have two of those boats, you know, and they could have been doing multiple runs to and from the disaster

area, obviously the first run, they'd be able to hand out life jackets, that type of thing. They'd have rescue packs. I mean, directly who they would have targeted for the first rescue, of course, would have been the little girls who were in this bunk down by the river. I have a little bit of training in HADR operations, Humanitary Assistance, Disaster Relief, from when I was in the Navy, just from an intel perspective, because there's always a little bit of intel input in all of these. So I was not in those operations, but just from my, you know, basic knowledge from being in the military is that of course, you know, you would, you would end, and having been

in the Navy. So, you know, obviously we focus on a lot of rescue swimming, uh, uh, even though, you know, even though I'll shout out to my coast guard buddies, the coasties really do are the best at the, the best when it comes to that, that, um, yeah, of course you, you know, women and children, right? You're going to be focusing on that. You obviously would go to those kids and even if you couldn't get them of course, you know, women and children, right? You're going to be focusing on that. You obviously would go to those kids. And even if you couldn't get them out first, you would have had the supplies

for flotation devices. You would have had supplies for potentially, you know, rubber rafts or anything. You know, they have one of the biggest swift boat crews. They're considered the very, very best in Texas. And Charlie, I mean, these these deaths could have been certainly for the kids could have been in in single digits.

Had this had this order gone down or or potentially even none, potentially even none. You want to play cut 380 here? Let's play cut 380. Our firefighters are trained for that area. Our firefighters have the equipment they have the desire they have the

will they have the power to go up and actually I know some of those girls could have been survived if we had had equipment they have the desire to have the will of the power to go up and actually i know some of those girls could have been survived if we had had a best boat crew the day before on scene i know it i know my heart i know as a battalion chief i know it is a a former swiftwater tech myself and the fact that we didn't do it we let them down

it's unconscionable. It's just a terrible situation and we don't know based on what happened at Camp Mystic. I doubt how many people can be saved but plenty of other people could have been saved probably right Blake? It's all yeah and even if one person could have been saved like okay that why would you decide to hire based on diversity metrics? And then eventually you get things like this and eventually people die. And it's so hard to communicate this to people because it usually is operating in this realm of it's hard to ever say directly

this thing happened because of this policy that we did. Instead, it's all decay along the margins. Think of it like, think of it, you know, like a, it's, you know, I think of it actually in terms of sports. So do you remember when the Packers like choked away that game against the Seahawks in the NFC Championship? Yes. Yeah, which year was like 07? It was 2014.

I remember it, of course. And the thing about it is it was this big disaster. We lost the NFC championship. But for it to happen, about like 10 different things had to go wrong that were all extremely bad. And if any of them had not happened, that disaster wouldn't have occurred. And a lot of disasters with DEI are like that. It's that you're getting decay in all these little spaces

that allow a big disaster to happen. So it's not specifically, oh, if we had a different fire chief there, then all these lives would be saved. But it might be, he would be a little bit more competent. Maybe their hiring would have been better because they wouldn't have been quite as diversity focused

in all of their hiring, all of their promotions. Maybe because they weren't doing it based on that, their training would be a little bit better their Preparedness would be a little bit better and All of these things along the line and you'd be saying okay Here and there it saves one life here one life there and we'd be talking it'd still be a disastrous flood But maybe it would be 80 people who died instead of 120 people. That's 40 Yeah, you even you could even have a situation where you know if they've got one boat and one crew it would be 80 people who died instead of 120 people. That's 40 lives.

You could even have a situation where, you know, if they've got one boat and one crew, they're just going out and they're checking which, you know, which cabins are closer to the river. And they say, hey, this cabin is closer. Let's just hand out some flotation devices here. We're going to just, you know, hey, best practices. Hope you guys are ready for this

because they were totally caught on the wares. Everyone was caught on the wares of this. and if you had just had people in the area Who are able to do this job and deployed them you would have done this and and by the way, you know I'm just gonna say it, you know, this is the same type of thing and President Trump what it was the first week of his administration We had that horrific crash at the end Based on pilot error down here at Reagan National Airport when the Blackhawk female Blackhawk pilot just crashed into that passenger plane and you had all of those kids that were on that plane coming home from an ice

skating competition. It was like a youth ice skating competition. They were coming home. They're all killed and I remember I I was with uh secretary Noem and we and that story kind of disappeared. The fact that we flew so we were at the airport and we, you know, we were flying somewhere else, but we actually flew and I could see the helicopter in the water. And I just remember thinking, it's like, these things, these disasters, you know, are they getting worse? And, you know, the left wants to say it's climate, but it really is what Blake is saying. It's just this

sort of like these issues along the margins are just piling up and it all comes back to it. And yes, that did come out that it was pilot error. And yes, it was the New York Times that put that all out based on a very exhaustive investigation of everything that went in. I'm sure there were other errors as well, but that's why you really have to ask questions about what's going on when we have policies like this in place. But I just to repeat it, like DEI we know ruins the culture of excellence and there's no way that excellence can coexist with diversity, equity, and inclusion. They cannot coexist.

Your top priority is either excellence or your top priority is something else. And when DEI is your chosen, it is your other priority. That is your top priority. And so just to be clear, this fire chief from Atlanta said, I want to try to make the Austin Fire Department blacker, essentially. More diverse? He also said gayer. He wanted to make it gayer too.

Ah, gayer and blacker. And in the pursuit of gay and blackness, then all of a sudden you stop to have excellence. This guy did not earn his way to the top. DEI means didn't earn it. So and just Blake, I want to make sure I'm not misquoting anything. Who's accusing him here? I believe it's the head, like the Austin. His own rank and file people.

The Austin firefighters union wants to hold a vote of no confidence. I don't think that means anything other than a formal. No, they had a quote though too. Where their quote was that they tried to explain the reimbursement thing and they didn't understand it. Like they sat down with him like, hey, if we send the stuff out to Kerrville, then the cost will be reimbursed. And today I don't think he knew the word reimbursement. He said, he said, Charlie, I have the exact quote.

I explained the reimbursement process to Chief Baker last week and he failed to understand this very simple concept. Yeah, it doesn't understand the word reimbursement. Not a shocker. Look, I know there are a lot of choices when it comes to who you choose for your cell phone service. There are new ones popping up all the time. But the truth is there's only one that boldly stands in the gap for every American that believes that freedom is worth fighting for, and that is Patriot Mobile. For more than 12 years, Patriot Mobile has been on the front lines fighting for our God-given

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You gotta wonder that was there a reason did they, did they fail to deploy resources out to Kerrville because of some pent up resentment towards white people? I wouldn't go that far, but I think I'm not saying unless I'm asking the question. I'm going to, I'm Charlie. We have a lot of, but this guy, does this guy hate white people? I don't know. He doesn't know what a reimbursement is. There's a general sentiment that there is, there is race war type stuff that happens outside the Houston area

Imagine if a a white fire chief in Birmingham, Alabama Failed to deploy Fire stuff two to three days in advance of a black neighborhood or a black camp They would say that then and I think it would be on my route is we we have this piece of tape You got to listen to the tape play cut 363 I know I'm probably gonna get canceled for this but camp mystic is a whites only Girls Christian camp They don't even have a token Asian they don't have a token black person it is a all white white only

have a token black person. It is a all white, white only conservative Christian camp. If you ain't white, you ain't right. You ain't getting in. You ain't going period. And I think that context needs to be said in this matter. It's not to say that we don't want the girls to be found with whatever girls that are missing or whatever right now. But you best believe, especially in today's political climate, if this were a group of Hispanic girls, especially with them being in East Texas, it should be most likely Hispanic. If this were a group of Hispanic girls out there,

this would not be getting this type of coverage that they're getting. Look, I think Blake's probably right to say, look, we don't, we don't, we can't say definitively that this black DEI chief that didn't understand the word reimbursement, you know, according to again, allegedly, according to the accusation now publicly, you know, published, was that really the harbor, you know, white anti white resentment, but there is a lot of anti-white resentment in this country. And let me just pipe a hypothetical, Blake. If all of a sudden a flood zone was going to go after the blackest county in Texas, would this DEI chief have blamed reimbursements? Would he have blamed cost? That's a better question, isn't it? Would he have gone above and beyond if it wasn't anywhere but basically a very white area of Kerrville? I don't want to racialize this stuff. They're bringing it to our forefront. Jack?

Well, one piece of information. No, I think these are the types of questions that unfortunately we have to start asking again because the left has spent a decade plus asking them and demanding that we look at the systemic inequalities of every decision, everything that goes down. You know, when the George Floyd situation happens with Derek Chauvin and they immediately racialized this and put it to the entire, put the entire country through this gaping inferno because of this.

And it comes out that actually the guy had, you know, a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system and he had a heart tumor to begin with. You know, it didn't matter. It didn't matter to them. Didn't matter for the billion dollars that was lost in those riots. It didn't matter for everything else.

That didn't matter at all. So there, and so what? We can't just ask the question of how they would have reacted. No, I don't think so. Charlie, by the way, I did want to add though that on this Austin Fire Chief that he's actually embroiled in a lawsuit right now with his former, the former chaplain of the Austin fire department because the former

chaplain was fired back in 2021 by the same police chief, or excuse me, the same fire chief. Why did Joel Baker fire him? Well, he fired the chaplain because, and it sounds like this is, you know, just made for conservative media talking point, but it's actually true. He fired the chaplain because the chaplain wrote on his personal blog that he didn't believe that transgenders should be in women's sports. And so this police chief fired the chaplain, the guy who's there to like pray for the, you know, the firemen and the swimmers and, you know, in situations like this to be there for families and victims.

He fired him over trans in women's sports and is currently being sued under First Amendment grounds. The Alliance for Defending Freedom is on board with this lawsuit. That just happened a couple of years ago. Same guy. This is woke as they come. Oh, and Charlie, the point that you're making too is really, I think, relevant because there is an animosity that exists, particularly in Texas,

because Texas actually is the home for a lot of the cattillion type programs that exist, the junior cattillion that exists, and it's historically white, and it's focused on white females. There's a huge anti-white woman resentment. Basically the only white conservatives that exist now go through programs like this.

Totally. And so this camp, this camp mystic, has a lot of that same aura, same or the families that all that do this and all that. And there is animosity that's pent up particularly in the Houston area because you brought up Houston because there is this black versus white mentality that's been crafted basically since Barack Obama was president where it's just this stoking of racial divide and animosity that exists within the country.

And people have been angry in attacking these types of institutions for a long time. This camp that actually, that hit this massive tragedy is a camp that's very much associated with that type of upbringing. And so there is this same, like really disgusting atmosphere that exists and we've seen some of it online where there have been people of different ethnicities saying well maybe

those white girls deserve to die maybe those maybe those people and that is the type of stuff that is tearing apart the country that we're seeing but it's a real problem that exists and when you overlay it with this entire the DEI hiring and everything else that you talked about that's happening in our communities where we have, uh, members of prominent members of the community. And we've seen this here in Arizona too, that utilize the moments of, you know, racial inequality or divide to, uh, let loose the standards that we need to actually run society and then attack other members of society

just basically because they're white, nothing ever gets fixed and actually spirals us into more problems and I'm afraid that's what's gonna happen here in Texas. You have three kids, I have two kids, Jack has two kids, Andrew Nutt on screen has three kids. And just to think that any of our kids would be jeopardized because we have to be worried about being called a racist,

like screw you actually, like we're not doing that and this all goes back to Obama suing the Austin Police Department because it's not it's not black enough fire they would did this with all of these police departments where they would say you're racist and you're hiring so that's how we got for example here America county Memphis police here in Phoenix Phoenix was hijacked by the DOJ. Yeah, so they basically end up with these consent decrees So you have to hire less qualified police who are more likely to do misconduct more likely to do a shooting unjustified more likely Do anything inept or corrupt because they're less qualified and then also you're forced to dial back your enforcement stuff Oh don't pull over people as much don't arrest people as much don't stop and frisk people as much, and that directly leads to a higher murder rate. Literally, we

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look at us- And none of us are Texans. No, and I mean, look, I have a very strong opinion about kind of the LARPing Texan thing that we could do at a different time, and Jack knows exactly what I'm talking about. Oh, boy. Yeah. I was talking about it all morning this week. I said, tough, tough Texas. And just to be fair, San Antonio is closer to Kerrville, so I think we should also find out if their fire department wasn't deployed, but Austin is a bigger city than San Antonio. I think actually Austin.

Uh, it might be now. Yeah, it's close. It's weird because San Antonio is bigger itself, but it eats all of its suburbs. So yeah, I think San Antonio, Austin proper is definitely bigger. San Antonio proper is bigger, but Austin's got more real suburbs. So got it. Okay. So for whatever reason, which one has more resources is the question.

Well, yeah, Austin's way richer. Yeah. So therefore that way, by the way, guys, guys, this was a this was a statewide deployment call. So that means San Antonio also did not send pre-deployed resources. Maybe they did. Maybe they did or it wasn't enough. But here's the kicker.

We did not we did not invite this. We did not like find a random. We did. Here's the point. We did not like find a random fire chief be like, oh, he's black. Work. No, this is his own firefighters accusing him of this. This is this is his own rank and file that are saying this guy did not understand. And let me just be clear. This is a pattern. The Los Angeles fires. It was a bunch of lesbians running the Los Angeles

fire department yeah and the San Antonio fire chief again I don't know if she acted correctly or not but she's a black woman yep and so at some point again we don't know maybe she did wonderful and maybe everyone was heroic and maybe her people think are great but you're looking around the room at some point you got to ask the question. Where are the qualified people? Well, are you there because you're qualified or there because you checked the box? This is a scary part Charlie is that what they want to do to each of our communities is they want to balloon them so big that they're basically unmanageable and untenable and make it so that every suburban community basically becomes what was probably in the 50s considered a

large city. And so you're heading in a direction where you're not going to have the capacity to manage your local community, your suburbs, in the way that was once thought that you can manage with basically just direct democratic rule where you can remove people and replace people. And so they want to get in people like this that are going to continue to destroy. They're going to build up the communities, make them bigger and balloon them to sizes that you can't control. But you're going to see more of like what Blake just mentioned, those like these problems on the margins that continue to exist where you and I don't have a place to

live because you don't want to live in a community that's even remotely close to that size. And so what does that mean? That means excluding normal regular citizens that want to participate in society out to the outskirts of America where you can't really have any control and they'll continue to manipulate, like communists do, the large portion of the population. But I believe that this is actually part of their entire strategy,

is they want to have people like this in because it continues to push out people like us, like people that have kids, they just wanna have normal lives. I'm not living in those cities, are you kidding me? But this is the problem, is they continue to build up the cities and insert people like this

because they know that you and I probably won't leave, right? We're going to fight. But there are people who leave. We know lots of people who have said, forget it. I'm moving to the middle of nowhere. And I'm going to homeschool my kids and live the farm style life because I don't want to live in a city that is going to cause me

Harm the fire chief of the town. I live in went to Harvard Like what is that? Yeah, like this is what I'm saying So like you have you have towns that are literally Again in the 50s a big city was in America was considered like a hundred thousand people Today a big city in America is considered a million people you have most of your suburbs are far exceeding a hundred thousand people and They're inserting people that went to Harvard as a fire chief. What is it? It's like the heart. That's not a normal thing That's not normal. I don't like this and I'm gonna yeah But nobody wants that nobody wants that job Charlie a regular person that came up to the fire ranks in McKinney, Texas or in Gilbert, Arizona or San Bernardino, California doesn't want that job because of all the focus and pressure.

And what they want is protection based on race. And that's the only way. Let's go to AI. Alright, yeah, this is just a fun one. I really wanted to hit this So there's one really this is a this is a billion dollar industry. We're told This is a headline in The Hollywood Reporter yesterday. I love you send Bitcoin inside the billion dollar celebrity impersonation scam I have to read this quote because it's amazing in November Margaret climbed into her Toyota Camry left her husband of 10 years at their brick home in the rural South, and drove an hour to a hotel where she was sure Kevin Costner was coming to meet her.

By this point, Margaret, 73, had spent months making weekly Bitcoin deposits for Costner, totaling about $100,000. He had messaged her that he was using the money to set up a new production company, which she would eventually work for with him. Margaret knew that some people would find it odd that an Oscar winner and the star of Yellowstone would need financial help from a retired office manager that he had met on

Facebook. But Margaret wasn't exactly a nobody. She had achieved some renown for activism she'd done, and she had even delivered a TED Talk. She was special, and Costner saw it. It was, of course, he was sending her AI, someone was sending her AI generated images. Did she really do a TED talk?

Yes. I mean, we don't know her real identity. They covered it up. I would cover up that identity. This was some guy in Bangladesh that's like now living like a king that was like in some slum, right? Now all of a sudden he like has slaves how much money do you get off her a hundred thousand dollars a ton of money in bangladesh yeah hundred k wow that's that's big money like ten years of living do we have the photo here we have the name blot it out let's get this uh this photo up

here because it's amazing uh like this is happening this has happened before but it's like with Photoshop and AI Oh come on, no You can make this work Yeah You're making this, this is bad This is really bad for civilization People's brains are cooked man

Nooo Stop Wait, so you're actually, actually folks just so you know, I have actually been on vacation in Botswana all week and all of the, you know, all of the Jack Pesovics that you've seen lately, that's all AI, human events daily, war rooms, all AI, you know. But this technology here, insurmountable. Absolutely.

And there's no way to defeat it. I mean, just look at how seamless it is. And so it's crazy. And the fact of the... By the way, it's so cheap to use a voice changer. He couldn't even use the voice changer. They had to hold up a picture. What, so they'd use both of those and like, yeah,

and they can use like AI. It's really me, I promise. Yeah, and you can use AI. Terrible. Terrible. Because this is only, right now the technology is as bad as it will ever be because it will only get better from here They will have better technology. They can do the more realistic videos more realistic photos. They can make the voices super accurate They can make the text messages sound the way that they sound

It's only going to get worse from here and we're going to have Charlie Kirk have messaging This is all the people who are fans of turning points saying like look turning points in trouble I need you to send me a hundred thousand in Bitcoin to the dress. It's all right. It's already a problem Look at this. This one's totally fake and some boomers thought it was real play cut 378 Americans have every right to be Because it should have been done sooner for the longest time corporations have been allowed to price gouge on regulated industries like insurance. And now because of this administration, every American has a right to go to this page and

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She would probably fall for this and and this is how I know to Charlie All the my grandma actually had like a zillion things taken out of her bank account from the RNC stuff. Oh, that's bad news. And I was pissed off about it because I went through all this. She's on a fixed income, whatever, right? All this stuff, but this is the kind of stuff

that's gonna totally take advantage of seniors. Totally. So I have to get you on me. Wait, so this went viral on Facebook? This child is very viral. Millions in engagement. Millions of views. I have already told who put it out. Some some Pakistani. Yeah I have already told my parents like you know they run these scams or they pretend to be your kids. You know. Yes. So I'm just like look you know it is conceivable like we should have like a pass phrase that we can use if you're like worried it's not

actually me. I can't remember what the past phase was so I'll have to work on that one, but don't say it on your parents About what your your plans would be because like this is a real thing. That's gonna happen. You need a safe word I've gotten fake calls, but they also can like call from the number Yeah, they can spoof the numbers spoof the voice They can't spoof FaceTime audio or they can't spoof your apps yet yet They that's key so and by the way if you have a problem if you have any sort of Concern just hang up and call the person back. Yeah, that's thick all right. We got to go the show was all non AI Just for the record. I I've it. That's just what an AI version of trauma

We're gonna talk about AI in a future show. I see it getting the last use AI a lot last 30 days. It's getting worse not better It's actually and I have a whole theory on it. I'm keep on catching stuff in it. The slop theory is real It's real. It's it's slower. It's lagging. It's also not as precise It's cutting corners because of the volume of interest you heard it here first. All right, everybody, see you guys next week. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedomatcharliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust,

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