The Charlie Kirk Show - Thoughtcrime, Ep. CXXVI: The End of Star Wars?

Episode Date: May 9, 2026

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That's what he did. All right. And we can beat around the Bush and we can try to, you know, obscure it. It's deleted now. But he posted that up on blue sky. By the way, that kind of thing is kind of normal on blue sky. But this is the star of the original star. of the original Star Wars movies.

He was the star, or at least heavily featured in the Disney sequel movies. And he is obviously a major fixture, not only in American culture and Hollywood and Disney, but also politics now because he just did a video with Barack Obama, calling for the death of President Trump. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard. It's Thought Crime Thursday. Blake Neff, if you can, can you explain to us for the folks that are audio only on the podcast side what that opening scroll was all about that everybody wasn't able to hear? Oh, well, the opening scroll is, of course, the fact that we have an unusual crew here,

Andrew, even though Thought Crime is at the same time every single day, every single week. He's like, I can't make it, guys. I have a scheduling conflict. I have a flight, even though he could have booked a flight at any time. But he chose not to show up. Tyler, as we all know, he's frequently drafted to go fight in the Spice Wars. We don't give him as much of a hard time about it because the Spice Wars are very demanding. He's got to go.

I think he's in the Florida front of the Spice Wars right now, but I can't remember where. So he's missing as usual. So we have our limited crew. We have Jack. We have Russ. We have myself. And then we also have Rich Berris, who is often on our show to talk about the polls. He sometimes tells us when the polls are good.

Sometimes he tells us when the polls are bad. Rich, what do you think Luke Skywalker's poll numbers would be in the Star Wars galaxy right now if he was posting images of, I don't know, who would he be posting images of a dead version of? No, no, he's not the ever. He'd be like a dead, dead Admiral Akbar, dead Monmachma, but a dude? Something like that. Yeah, I think, look, look, you know, I was talking about this earlier today. And in our world, I don't think Mark Hamill is pretty much anything right now.

right? I mean, look at who he's playing to in his audience. I'm blue sky. Those comments like Jack, I think Jack just said it. They are common over there, but in the greater public, Blake, you know, this guy is like sad a little bit, right? I mean, he's sad. I don't even think he ever got as big

as he thought he himself would get. There's a whole story there. If you're a Star Wars fan, you probably know. I mean, he did have a terrible accident that did stop or at least halt his career for the time being. So he never got past, being Luke Skywalker in our world, right?

And now he's just an angry person. And I think I'm repeating this from Jack's show because I think it bears repeating that a lot of these guys that we see come out and make these comments, they're just unhappy people, Blake, right? There's something about them. They're just, whether it's unhappy with their career or unhappy with the lives they've led and they're bitter at things. And often when they're left, not often, when they're leftists, they lash out at right-wing

political figures in a way that's reckless. that's dangerous and they're trying to fill this void they have in themselves. I mean, I don't have to be a psychiatrist to see it. They all share this. It's glaring to me. Russ, I'm looking at the list of Mark Hamill roles

that weren't Star Wars films. Exactly. Let me know the first time you've actually heard of one of these films. Corvette Summer, the big red one, the night the lights went out in Georgia, Britannia Hospital

Slipstream Fall of the Eagles Midnight Ride Not Rider Just Midnight Ride The Giver Not McGiver The Giver

Black Magic Woman Sleepwalkers We've gone in through 15 years of films at this point Time Runner Silk Degrees That doesn't even have a Wikipedia page The Raffle

Also doesn't have a Wikipedia page Village of the Damned Laser Hawk Hamilton Not the musical It's apparently an action film Watchers Reborn Walking across Egypt

Thank you good night We are now over 20 years in To Mark Hamill's non-Star Wars home career Maybe you've heard of this one Jay and Silent Bob straight back Yes Okay all right 2001

Isn't he also playing himself in that movie? I don't know he might have Yeah I'm pretty sure I haven't seen it but I have heard of Jay and Silent Bomb Then we're back to Reesville Comic Book, the movie. Holy, Okay, Kingsman the Secret Service,

2014, 35 years of movies before we get to a Star Wars film that he's in and doesn't play himself. The only Mark Camel roles that I remember are his voice acting roles. That's it. That's true. He was more famous as a voice actor.

Played the Joker. He played the Joker. A very good Joker, I will say. Although in a fewer episodes than I'd have thought, guess how many episodes do you think? he played the Joker in Batman the animated series. Probably 15?

Exactly right, actually. 15. So, you know, it's actually not that much content overall. But yeah, no, he messed it up. He dragged it all into the abyss. Apparently there was a Joker appearance in Spider. No, that's Superman. Never mind. But yeah, this is a bigger question,

which was a debated heavily on X this week. This week it was May the 4th. There's that AstroTurf, fake holiday. May the fourth be with you. And I think this year it really sunk in for a lot of people that Star Wars just seems kind of lame, kind of fate, kind of sad, kind of done here. Is Star Wars done here, Jack? And not just because of Hamel.

Is it just done here forever? So before we get into the meta analysis, I want to say we are, by the way, we are up in the chat. So what's up to, let's see what's up to some folks in the chat, dozu's pedals already in with a with a Rumble rant? here. She says, I was Princess Leia for two years in a row and for Halloween. I love Star Wars. Of course, the stupid godless left-wing communists would ruin that too. I'm super feisty about this. This is wild. What's up, Dylan Ivy? He's here all the time. I see caboose in there. Unfortunately,

we can't seem to get him out. That's obviously an oversight. M.K. Brandt 28 is here. Sergeant 1978 is here. So the gang is, is, filling in, the comments are coming in, but folks, here's something that's actually deadly serious. We're living in a time where political violence is running wild. It has been two weeks since a political assassination attempt took place at a White House correspondent's dinner where two people associated with this show, this very podcast, were in attendance, right? Andrew Mikey, were right there. And obviously Erica was there. And obviously Erica was there. who is clearly associated as well.

There's no question. And, yeah, even though, even though we don't, we don't have women on the program, but that's, that's a scheduling issue and a, and a programming issue as well. And obviously Charlie, right, has been the victim of political violence. And so in a time like this, for someone to post something like that is horribly irresponsible. It is disgusting. And the fact of the matter is, is that Disney fired Gina Carrano over a post that was nowhere near as incendiary as this.

She was completely taken out of context with that one. It was horrific the way Gina Carano was treated. She's having a major, major comeback right now, by the way. But here's something that isn't going to come back in that Star Wars. And so I've been going out, and this has been, it's been trending all day here on Thought Crime Thursday. It's also something that I want to keep going because in two weeks time, the newest Star Wars movie is coming out. So Star Wars hasn't had a new movie in Russ. long as it been since

since Rise Skywalker came out? I want to say it came out before COVID it's been almost it's been over seven years 2019 yeah 2019 so it's been seven years since there was a new Star Wars movie this is the first time because that tanked so bad

and because Last Jedi tanked so bad the billions upon billions of dollars that they had spent in the Star Wars purchase the acquisition from LucasArts and George Lucas into Disney fell flat on its face because how bad that sequel trilogy is. In fact, there's even a rumor that they may be rebooting it.

So what they're doing with this new one, it's called the Mandalorian and Grogu, which I guess is Baby Yoda's name. And it's all member berries. They're just throwing as many member berries as they can at you and like cute stuff and Chotchkes. I'm calling for a full-on boycott. I'm saying it's time for conservatives to rip off the Band-Aid. You need to drop the slave mentality of saying, oh, I like Star Wars so much that I just need to spend on my money on it.

I need to buy the merch. I need to do this. You need to get in. Look, in two weeks time, this is such bad timing for Disney for Mark Hable to have completely ripped the mask off and shown us his true face here because look, he's just telling you straight up. He doesn't care about you. He doesn't care about your business. He doesn't care about your family. And in fact, he wants President Trump dead.

he wants conservatives dead all of this and I Jack I'd be remiss did we did we even see did he even say

anything about Charlie at all not that I know I actually don't know don't you think it's a little long hanging fruit to call for a boycott of a movie that probably

not that many people were going to see anyway yeah well there's a huge audience for Star Wars there was that's this point though I'm saying

no no no what I'm saying is Blake what I'm saying though that I still see to this day. So even the White House, right? I love the guys over there. But even they on Star Wars Day were posting memes of Trump as a Jedi and like all this stuff and playing into it. It's a cultural. It's a cultural fixation in America.

Like that doesn't have anything to do with. That doesn't have anything to do with them promoting the movies. It's just it became. It's obviously a promotion. It's absolutely in the zeit. like geist. Right. So what they need to understand, though, is like, number one, we need to, like,

Boycott Star Wars Day, but number two, it's just conservatives need to have a little bit more self-respect that when there are people who literally want to kill you and people who literally want you and your family dead, who want to ruin your family, that we need to stop supporting them with our hard-earned dollars. That's what I'm saying. Go on boycott, dumb Star Wars, which I've already been doing for 10 years. I agree with you. Jack, don't you pirate, like, every movie you watch?

No comment. I agree with you on that. One of the things that, especially with the Mark Hamill side of things. That's true, by the way. I saw Michael, I saw Michael at the drive-in theater. Oh, nice. They still have those? Yeah, there's one here.

Really? Yeah, it's fantastic. All the time on the show. Glendale might as well be like five hours away. It's great. I've gone there. Okay, I'll have to keep this in mind. One thing on the Mark Hamill side of things, though, too, is like, it would be,

a very different story if Disney was willing to recast Luke because even specifically with the Mandalorian in one of the earlier seasons they brought in a young Luke Skywalker

and did re-cg face to make it look like Mark Camel. No it was Luke. Obi-1 isn't alive because it takes place after episode 6. So, no, so I'm specifically talking about in The Mandalorian,

Luke comes to get Grogu because he figures out that he's force sensitive and he's going to take him and create his Jedi school. And so they were already, they're already, they won't recast these characters, which is if you're, if Star Wars wants to just completely move away from Mark Hamill, they have a way to do that. Like they could recast Mark Hamel or recast Luke and just move on. Yeah. And then it's so much easier to, you know, denounce Mark Hamill and actually be able to essentially do what they did to Gina Carano

after, after, you know, in 2020. Yeah. I don't think you can get away with recasting Luke. I just, I don't see it. You should, and they're not going to anyway. They're not going to. This gets at the heart of it, though.

This gets at the heart of it, though, which is why I think, I think the meta conversation is the, is the most interesting one. When we talk about, like, is Star Wars dead? Is Star Wars alive? Why is it that we could open this

with a Star Wars opening crawl? Like, it really does have a tremendous, wait, we haven't, we haven't, we heard from rich completely yet. In American, as a tremendous pop culture presence in American life. It's, It's insanely dominant.

I don't think there's any other movie series we could have that would like be able to have a day that people just automatically think of it on like we have with this May the 4th nonsense. And I think about another thing I saw the other day, which was, it was just in the comments on, I think a YouTube video, but someone said, I am a teacher and none of my kids in grade school, actually I think it was even middle school. None of the kids in my class are familiar with King Arthur or the King Arthur mythos. I think it was also in discussion of the Odyssey that we actually have ancient myths in Western civilization. We have the Greek poems Homer. We have King Arthur and Knights of the Roundtable. You have Robin Hood. You have legends like that.

And all of these are fading away. And instead we literally have people who know the Star Wars canon. And I often wonder, do we need Star Wars to die just because, It just seems very dumb to have a film franchise invented in 1977 as a profit-making venture, be our dominant pop culture lingo. Or if we kill Star Wars, are we just going to end up where it's all the Mr. Beast extended cinematic universe and Marvel Slop or something? Well, so, Russ, talk to us a little bit about how I'm sure you saw Fandom Pulse and a few people

were talking about how specifically the Disney Star Wars movies were seeing. is so unpopular that Disney may be like rebooting them or something? Yeah, so that came out a couple weeks now ago. The, essentially the idea is that yes, they're going to essentially just re,

kind of reboot the universe before the original, or the sequel trilogy and kind of move on from there and use essentially probably using Mandalorian and Gros since it takes place a couple years after episode six

as kind of their jumping their jumping point but yeah yeah I mean it would be funny it's like a multiverse thing I guess like Avengers a little bit where like they go into a different universe focus on the original cast

so that's the other weird part of this so then we might be getting a recast which even if they don't reboot it that's already happening which we were just talking about the other day actually yeah a couple of episodes ago even if they don't reboot it that's already happening So they have Star Wars stuff at their theme parks,

and they've scaled back all of the sequel characters. So you're going to run into Princess Leia there. You don't run into Bray or Finn or whoever these new characters are. It's insane, too, when you think about it, that the only characters that are even popular in the sequel series are the droids. Yeah. Like, that's it. That's the only thing Disney's got going for them is that everybody likes the droids,

but it's because they don't talk. Yeah. Or they can talk the same. way. You can just bring back C3PO and he's not going to age. He can be in any movie and C3Pio had the best scene in the and flipping episode seven. And Disney spent so much on Galaxy's edge. Yeah. So much. And even just to Angelo's point in the chat, like the Star Wars hotel was too expensive and they closed. They had to close it. Yeah. It costs like $4,000 to go to and it wasn't that good. So it really is, it is interesting how huge Star Wars was. I mean, you and I are about,

I guess actually, wait, you're way younger than me. But at least I remember growing up, In the 90s, the 2000s, has this huge pop culture overhang. All three of the prequels were bad, and yet the hype for all three of them was absolutely gargantuan. I remember my school announcements was mentioning, like on the day of Star Wars movie would come out. They'd come in for their announcements, and at the end, the guy would go and may the force be with you. It just pervaded so much stuff. It was such a big deal when Disney bought it, and everyone thought, oh, now we can get more, and they won't be bad because George Lucas is making it's just people get so invested in this you can find threads online on Reddit of course where people they'll ask others how can I make sure that my kids grow up to be Star Wars fans the same way parents might ask how do I make sure my kids stay in church or how do I make sure my kids follow our you know our cultural heritage is that it seems the cultural heritage of normie middle class white guys in America is basically

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They just moved recently. And they dropped off some of my stuff. And they brought my Star Wars books in the old like, I don't know, bin that it was in. I knew it. I knew it. Oh, no. What a nerd. That's so many of them.

What a nerd. You're talking about this. Everything in here, wait, everything in here is a Star book. Literally every single book in this thing is a star work. Did you read all those? Yes. No, no doubt. For those who can't see that, there's about, there's about 50 books in that box.

The last time I've seen a bin that big was the Legos. Did you even, did you read the Crystal Star, Jack? Did you read the Crystal Star? I think the Crystal Star might be in here. I see Dark Saber. Dig for that. Do you read Dark Saber? Dark Saber is bad.

Dark Saber right here. What are you talking about? There it is. We've got the AC Crispin Hans Solo trilogy. Gosh, I love that. Oh, that's a good one. The Han Solo one's good. Yeah, the Hon Solo trilogy is amazing.

Yeah, you got them all three. Here's Crystal Star right here. Oh, the Crystal Star is so terrible. That's one of the worst ones. For those who don't know, in the Crystal Star, Luke joins a cult of people worshipping, like basically a blob of crap from another dimension. Yeah, it's really bad. Vision of the Future.

Is this the one? That's a Zon one. That was like the last song. I think that's where Luke and Mara get married. No, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. Outbound, I think it's Alphonsef, the Timothy's on. Shoot.

Jack and I were just talking about how he had all the books. I know. I literally had the books like right here. I knew he was going to pull those books up. One of my, I have a Timothy's on one that's signed somewhere. I don't know where it is. Can I ask you something, Jack,

as a fan and as somebody who like thinks about this time? Yeah, so I'm like, I'm like, I'll own it, right? Like, I was a big, big, big Star Wars fan. Let me ask you something then, if you don't mind, Jack, and I don't want to go out of order, but doesn't anyone else feel like Star Wars has lost some of its relevance? It's not only just that, I mean, how Disney's managed it since they bought it, but also that it's lost its relevance. So it was like super popular, you know, when at first, I'm not even talking about the prequels

or what we all remember, but before that, our parents generation. Is the chat closed me? I can't actually see what they're saying. It's clearly, it's clearly lost some, but Rich, I think you might have some sense on this. It's like the Nazis. You know, that's who they're portraying. And we just don't have that anymore as part of my mindset.

Rich, I just had this thought. Since you're a pollster and you think a lot about how things are portrayed, how things look, how people react to things, a thought I've had is one reason Star Wars is fading out is the fact that just Disney bought it and they started making spin-off movies and these TV shows. And there's a sense to me that even if those were good, even if all of them were nine, 10 out of 10 quality, that they just took something that was scarce,

something that there were only a handful of films for. If you were a fan, you just presumably had seen them. And now suddenly there's over, there's 12 movies and there's dozens of TV show episodes. Suddenly, even if you're a fan, you presumably haven't seen everything. It's way too hard to see everything unless you're super diehard.

And there's like a saturation. Someone would look at that and go, that's too much stuff. not getting into that. Is there anything to that? The young adult Jedi Prince books. Yeah, I think that I actually do. I agree with that. I'm not thinking that I have any data to back this up. I'm just saying that there is a saturation of the market that happened with Star Wars that didn't even exist when we were kids. And I remember, I mean, guys, you had the first three movies for years and that was it. And then when we got older and technology got better, they wanted to tell the story, you know, Anakin's story,

the prequels, right? Which I know my niece and nephew love, but I was still young enough myself to want to see them and of course was dying and go bring them and I did. And then outside of that, I think you had Saturday morning cartoons and there was a cartoon.

And it and just blows it up and throws up. So we're used to getting something from Star Wars in drips that can last a generation. They just come and dump everything out there. And by the way, I think the quality of them has not been the same, right, that we've seen from the other,

whatever you want to call them, you know, basically iterations of this entire story. Yeah, I was actually talking to a lot more thought, a lot more quality before. I was talking to, no, and there were Star Wars a lot before. There was like, there were a couple animated series. Yeah, what's that? I was trying to think rebels, something. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no.

I'm talking about the 80s, the 80s. The 80s. Oh, that's true. The Clone Wars is famous. There were some EWalk movies. There were some, you know, there were some extra, you know, extras out there. Chbacca had an animation or something too in the 80s, yeah. There's the Star Wars holiday special.

This isn't even all the Star Wars books that I've read, by the way. This is just all the ones that I purchased because when I was younger, I would do the library a lot. So, like, people are like, where are the Thrawn books? And I just always had those from the library, even though I've read those many, many, many times. So it's like, it's like, look, guys, you know, this is, this is what it comes down to. Like, if you actually care about, and I haven't, by the way, I haven't opened one of these books or a star, anything with Star Wars on it in 10 years since I originally called for hashtag dump Star Wars in 2016 when the writers of Rogue One led a massive anti-Trump Twitter campaign. Yep. I've actively campaigned against them since then.

And excuse me, no, I've, I've seen. films. I just haven't paid for the, you know, Last Jedi and what was the other one, the Rise Skywalker. And, and yes, I did stream those. And it's just, it's, it's, it's so ridiculous that conservatives will not get involved. And my, my kids have never seen it. They know what Star Wars is. Their friends have, like, told them all the spoilers at this point. So it's like, they don't even, they're not even, and by the way, they're not even interested. Like, my kids have zero interest in it at all. They just know, they just think it's funny that like, they know if I bring it up to like,

oh, daddy says we can't, you know, have Star Wars in the house. So they just had to like bring it up to like troll me basically, but they don't actually, you know, they're not actually into it. No, I'm not selling these books. I see Zuzzi's pedals saying that I should sell these books to collectors. No, absolutely not. I'm, I'm just holding on them for now. You know, it's like it's just, it's like my, it's my burden.

And it's the sad thing is. If Star Wars wanted to come back and actually do. the books as a movie series or say that that's like a separate universe if they're doing the multiverse thing and retcon like all this stuff and fire mark hamill and apologize maybe no that's where you that's where you go right i haven't read most of those books i read a few in high school but because i have certain tendencies autism uh i what i would do is i in college would waste time by just sitting on wukypedia which is the wikipedia for star wars autism you see when i was reading these. We didn't have Wikipedia. No, Jack, I would just sit on Wikipedia and I would

read the different summaries of the books and, like, the different characters and all they all connected. And it was really funny. And so the thing is, people say, oh, it'd be great if they made those books into movies. But once you really look at them with a neutral eye and you're not in middle school anymore, you realize a lot of these are just seriously bad. They don't make the cut. Everyone's saying, oh, Grand Admiral Thron, he'd be so cool if he was, if they made a Star Wars movie about Admiral Front. And then you read the book. books and you go, his superpower that he has to defeat the good guys is he has super, super art analysis powers. Like he went to Space Oberlin and got a, got a master's degree in art history.

And so he can look at their paintings that are pottery and go, oh, the way this pottery is designed, I can tell this civilization, they'll, they'll respond to a superficial act of overwhelming force that doesn't have any depth behind it. And so he'll, he'll surprise them really hard. And then they'll just surrender instantly with his, his super art analysis. his power is like I mean I mean look I'm not going to hate on grand admiral throne he's actually a great character the point is though he actually works in the series like that's why it's actually good right it's it talks about the fact that he understands everything about that culture to the point of like having it's

kind of like you know I I can you know thought it was kind of similar to like Thomas Jefferson having a copy of the Quran when he got into the Barbery Pirates Wars so I want he wants to understand his adversary and the point was that Throne was actually winning like for a long long time I mean, this is, this is going to be sacrilege to Jack because I actually like Rogue One. But the reason, I mean, if you like Girl Boss feminist movies. I liked it for other reasons. I didn't, I'm curious for those reasons are.

Here's the thing. I looked at it as, and this is where I looked at the Mandalorian as well. One of the things that the Mandalorian did was show that Star Wars could be a universe, right? and so you could have other stories in the universe. And I think that's where, for me, that's one of the reasons I didn't like the sequel series on top of just how badly it was written was the fact that we kept going back to the Skywalker family.

It was like the only Jedi's that could exist had to have the last name Skywalker. And I was like, why? Like, it's a galaxy. Like, why can we not do other things? You know? when they had branches of other stories that they were telling showing that it wasn't limited to that. Yeah, they contradicted themselves or greatly limited themselves.

I agree with that 100%. There's a whole civil war with the Corellian system at one point. There's stuff with like the X-wing pilots, obviously, which is what Rogue One is based on. So there's a whole series called Rogue Squadron at one point. There are other species, Jack, that could be a Jedi. It doesn't even have to be a human. there could be other species. They could have went in a lot of different.

I would even say that it's not just Star Wars, even though Star Wars is just the largest one. It's so much of this has been done to every, like, cultural artifact that's been passed down in that people have just sort of like, you know, who's been given it. He's doing the same thing to Marvel. They're doing the same thing to Marvel right. I was just going to bring that up.

Indiana Jones. So, so stop paying for it. It's really a. simple as that. We just have to stop paying for it. Indiana Jones. In the same way that Blake was on Wikipedia, I was on Marvelpedia. Looking up all the different stuff. I didn't want to be a pulsed.

I wanted to be an archaeologist like Indiana Jones. That was my first scene. That's the whole reason I got in journalism. They actually would sell, they would sell, what do you call it? Like encyclopedia style books like reference guides for Star Wars. I remember this. I would read those. Those are at Barnes & Noble, and I would flip planets and mood.

Just sit in the middle of the section. It's like they'd have the planets, they'd have the starships. They had that stuff memorized. I had that stuff down pat. Like I could tell you the companies. I could tell you who made everything. Which, which I mean, later when I joined the Navy, it was kind of like, it was kind of like in Navy Intel. It was like, oh, yes, I remember these types of things.

Man. Because it was laid out in the same format. Right? It was the same idea. The same way. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

Yeah. So I'd be studying like a Chinese, you know, defense firm. And I'd be like, oh, yes, this is like the Kuat drive yards or whatever. Oh, yeah. I know all about that. Do we have the Kathleen Kennedy clip about her making everything lame and gay? Faking gay. Because I think, I guess we don't.

But anyway, the, I think I'm glad about it dying for the reason I said. which is it did exert this huge pull over people. But when I do think about the fact that, as you say, Jack, there's a lot of people out there who have memorized, a lot of guys our age who have memorized every single fact about every Star Wars ship ever, which is all just stuff, all stuff that was just churned out as mass slop in the 90s, early 2000s. And that usually means it's been at the expense of basically anything else you could memorize

would probably be better than Star Wars Arcana. you could know more about a useful, like a hobby that actually requires skill. So learn a lot about how to fly fish. Learn a lot about how to make stuff out of wood. Learn a lot or even just learn a lot about your country's history. Be one of those guys who curates infinite information about the American Revolution or the Civil War or the Chinese dynasties or something. Any form of, let's just call it, male autism is better than memorizing Star Wars information, male autism. That's a great point.

To that extent, I think it's probably a good thing if we can have Star Wars put out to pasture, even if it just means get into other cultural artifacts. I think it is really sad that we've had cultural lineages that have lasted for hundreds of years that might be just getting broken because everyone spent 20 years being obsessed with Star Wars until Disney ruined it. I mean, that gets back to the idea that like when you go to the movies, it's either something from a franchise, something, for something that's a sequel

something that's a prequel. Everything wants to be a new Star Wars. Yeah, there's no original IPs anymore. I really like this comment from Reddegadababab who says The Fall of Star Wars is like the fall of a false prophet. Amen, which makes sense

because the Jedi literally dress like their prophets. But they are false prophets. Isn't that true of all the humanities now, though? We said the same thing that was just said about movies is also true of music or it has been for years. We're always getting, you know, it's like, I'm not picking on one genre, I'm just saying.

You know, for a good five years, it felt like every new rap song was really just an old R&B song or an old rock song, retooled, put with a different drumby. Then there was great remakes that were here and there. And some people, they had their own collection

of music, their own collection of art, and then maybe in their fourth album or something, they would remake a classic, and it was actually kind of good, you know, for instance. I was, and Guns and Roses did that three albums later and remade a song that people loved and still played to this day incessantly on the radio. But they had their own collection of music.

And it feels like the humanities are just exhausted now and everyone's just kind of recycling. I'm not saying, I'm not picking on, you know, the all artists, but there is definitely a decline in original everything. Original thinking, original art. And it's, I was actually just talking about this for my wife, the other day because our kids were asking about various things

and we're trying to explain because now when they do these remakes in a movie, there'll be a gender swap or there'll be a race swap or something and we'll have to explain, oh, this is how they did this in the new one in the original one, right? Marvel did it too, by the way.

The Marvel series, they did this as well. You know, if you're a Witcher fan, some people might be Star Wars fans, others might be Witcher fans, of which I am one. had this big blow up over how that was done. Polis series, by the way. What was that?

Oh, it's a great Polish series, by the way. Oh, yeah. I've got the books. I've got to sit down and read them. They're fantastic. But to your point, I think a lot of this comes from, and I think a lot of the streamer culture

and streaming culture has kind of allowed for this because it's streaming culture and it's TikTok culture. Our attention spans have just warped to almost. non-existent and so thus we're not creating anything we're not we're just we're pulling snippets from other things and mashing it together and

so we're we're no longer creating actual real real things can I can I add something to that because Star Wars itself was if you want to talk about it it was obviously a a mashed together piece of a lot

of different other previous elements Blake and I were talking on Twitter earlier about how the Star Wars music was evocative of a previous film, Kings Row, where the main Star Wars theme is actually like very, very, very similar to that and how the opening scroll

comes from other stuff, Flash Gordon, Akira Kurosawa films. But here's the key difference. And Russ, here's the difference that I think a lot of people are overlooking is that those older pieces, And even the original Star Wars film itself, when it was just called Star Wars before George Lucas started lying about having all these other movies made, was that, because you didn't have any of it written out. It's such a hack at the start was Star Wars was a good story on its story.

That's right. It told a story. It told a classic hero's journey. You know, it has a classic tale, right? It's a kid who's a peasant who becomes a knight. He fights the evil lord in the castle and the old wizard to save the princess, right? Like that's a very classic medieval style, just at its core story, which then has other, and you know, and the one wizard helps him along his way.

Again, it all fits together within the archetype of stories that have been told for thousands of years. But the problem with so much stuff today is they've totally lost that because it's just slop on top of slop on top of slop. I want to talk to you about an issue so many Americans face, and that's health insurance. There's an organization I really, really appreciate, called Christian Healthcare Ministries. CHM is a faith-based alternative to health insurance. And this is real stuff, folks. Like, you've got to listen in. With CHM, you're not paying into a company's profit margin. You're investing in a community with less overhead than the competition. You get reliable support through the giving and prayer of

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The Cinderella's, all this. Where are the origins of these stories come from? I mean, everything we just said and everything we just talked about right there, these are European stories. You're white culture, rich. It's called white culture. Can I just plainly say what I want to say here? which is maybe Disney is having a hard time finding the spirit of these stories

because culturally it's completely foreign to who works at Disney now. And now we're getting into thought crime territory, ladies and gentlemen. I love it. I love it. I said this before about Game of Thrones, that Game of Thrones is white culture. And when the new one came out, the Duncan Egg prequel series came out, people liked it so much because again,

it was just a solid story which follows that archetype again and that there's no, you know, princess in that one. But again, it's a peasant who becomes a knight and he gets a squire who turns out to be a prince and he goes on to fight for valor and honor and people loved it. And it was really simple. White culture.

And guys, all of these stories, they have, you know, roots in whether it's Polish or Germanic or, you know, all the way to England, King Arthur, obviously. That is what Disney used to do, and nobody did it better than Disney. And who originally ran that company?

Jack, we were just talking about this guy was an American patriot through and through. Right, he allowed him, he allowed Mickey Mouse the product of his company to be used to push American anti-communism propaganda all over the world. Now look at the company. Now look at what it stands for. Now look at who runs it. It's like if I was going to, you know, if the roles were. were reversed and let me just pick something that's foreign to me, right?

And I was going to write a story about Muhammad or something, I wouldn't know where to start and it's not, I'm not ashamed to say that while I can read a few books, it's not my culture, it's not the spirit of my own worldview and my own belief. So I'd have a very difficult

time trying to capture it. I could try to write a story about a gin and get super creative and it may seem very, very common to people in the East, but to me it is a foreign way of thinking, so I would have a very difficult time capturing the essence of that story. How on earth are we supposed to expect people who don't even believe in that Western view?

They don't believe in so many of, you know, it could be religions, it could be historical worldviews, and they just don't have it, they don't like it. In fact, they might even detest it. They're actively working every day to try to stamp that out of our current culture. So why would we ever expect them to redo Cinderella and get it right? Or to redo Snow White, which they bombed and get it right. I mean, they couldn't even redo Little Mermaid.

I mean, this is like, they're just not understanding what made those stories great or special or appealing. And to the, what was their audience at the time and still is largely today, right? I mean, whether we want to admit it or not, it's still very much a white, white European culture. And that's falling on deaf ears. And that gets to the core of what Disney has been doing with Star Wars with Marvel is they've taken two boy brands that are very much lifting boys up. Like perfect example, the original trilogy is very much just to Jack's point. It's a kid who rises up and becomes a hero. And they're turning it into girl brands.

And they're throwing in everything that they can because they don't. They want to destroy masculinity. They want to destroy manhood. That's right. And so that's what they're, that's the plan. We have a comment. Dan, the man, 1961, argues Disney Star Wars is not Star Wars. I have bad news for you, Dan.

It is actually. This is part of freeing yourself. The true freedom is not, I reject the new stuff. The true freedom comes from, I reject the strange hold that this ephemeral pop cultural artifact had over me. Yeah. Because in the end, Star Wars is just a reasonably well-made 70s movie that was so well-made. It got some sequels that were also popular and some prequels that were

popular or at least made very good memetic content if you were a millennial. And then they just got a ton of spin-off content because that's how you do things. You make video games and books and all these things. Look. That's all it is. I take some right now. I think of Star Wars, like an ex-exam. girlfriend. Get him out of here.

Every one of those books, Jack, imagine if instead of reading that book you read literally anything else. U.S. history and crisis and foreign policy or something like that. You could have read every single Flashman novel, Jack, and it would have been awesome. And then I could talk about Flashman

with somebody. I mean, I did spend time learning like a foreign language and like... No one cares. Now LLMs can just do that foreign language. Technology overtake it. Fair. But no, you're exactly right. You're exactly right.

That it's something where it's like you need to have the, I don't think we should get rid of culture, right? I don't think we should, we should say that good culture is something that we should see the ground on. But I do think that we should use our force for good the way that we can. The same way, by the way, that we led a massive boycott of the Super Bowl halftime, Joe and Bad Bunny, right? We were very successful, very successful with that. And they'd not like to talk about it because, and Rich, you remember, like, this reminds me of the Bad Bunny situation that Bad Bunny was a guy who was popular with a certain,

very popular with a certain demographic, but not with the broad culture. And by the way, why, I'm going to get in trouble here, but this is what the show's all about, isn't it? Why was the halftime show super popular? compared to bad bunnies. I mean, they were even polls on this. You could see the downloads after the, you know, after the,

the Super Bowl. What were you guys showcasing versus what they, they're trying to ram something else, what Jack said is true. They're trying to ram an artist who represents and is peeling to a sliver of the population down the throat of the entire population, all right? Who probably, you know, 70% of would not agree with half the things that come out of his mouth.

And then TPA USA was just, showcasing Americana, the artist that headlined it, is somebody who has been widely popular. And again, not to get into this, but I think the masculinity impact of this is, it can't be understated either. We can't even use this with Star Wars. The prequels were successful. They didn't strip out the masculinity of Star Wars and the prequels, did they? No. When the greatest scene, added all three of those, Anakin and Obi-Wan is one of the most masculine scenes ever, right? I got the high ground, but getting to it, right? But getting to it. Am I wrong, right? Wait, we have good scenes.

Okay. Well, let's read the masculinity. The halftime show showcased like what was, people wanted to feel good at that time. They didn't want somebody cramming something down their throat. They just wanted to celebrate Americanism, have a good time for a half hour, and enjoy themselves. We have a good masculine scene.

Much more successful. We have a good masculine scene from the prequels. Let's play, let's play 14. Oh, okay, let's go. I don't think the system works. No, God. How would you have it work? We need a system where the politics,

sit down and discuss the problem. Agree what's in the best interest of all the people, and then do it. That's exactly what we do. The trouble is that people don't always agree. Well, then they should be made to. By whom? Who's going to make them? I don't know. Someone. You?

Of course not me. But someone. Someone wise. Sounds an awful lot like a dictatorship to me. Well, if it works. You know, Cesar's got to be. across the Rubicon. He's got to cross the Rubicon. What's great about it, but so masculine about it is that in a lot of, Star Wars prequels really understand women because Anakin says he supports a fascist dictatorship, murders a bunch of women and children as part of a massive war crime atrocity, goes on psychotic megalomaniacal rants, does a bunch of insane things like that. And there's also like a weird pouty guy a lot of the time. But because he's hot, she just falls in love with him and marries him instantly after doing him for maybe a week. And so, he's also. So, he's also like a weird pouty guy a lot of the time. But because he's hot, she just falls in love with him and marries him and marries him instantly after doing him for maybe a week. And so, This is a highly accurate portrayal of male-female relationships.

Well, keep in mind, keep in mind, like, she was also, like, his former babysitter. Yeah, all that fact. Weird, like, creepy grooming, like, weirdness coming on. Like, the first movie he was, like, 10 years younger than her. Yeah. For no reason whatsoever. So funny. No reason.

That's a 90s woman. Hey, well, listen, there was some weird stuff in the first three as well. I mean, Luke almost fell in love with his sister. All right. I mean, let's get that was, that's because they didn't have it written. Now, to begin with, that's because it was originally supposed to be... That's true. You're right.

But they did it. It was originally supposed to be a love triangle. And then Lee Beckett, who was one of the actual main writers of the series, because George Lucas is, you know, a hack and a liar, had... She died, I think, like, in the process, you know, in between Empire and Jedi. And so they were... Lucas was like, er, um, er, sister. and just kind of like threw it out, threw it out there. And like clearly, clearly knew that there would be like this huge issue with the kiss scene, but just like didn't care.

Didn't care. And by the way, we can't skip with the Han Solo thing. Like even his character, because this got away from us when we were talking about this, even his character was really, really American. Right. Here you have this guy. He's not, you know, he's a borderline bad guy, is a thief. He's a, he's a smuggler. And he gets a second chance.

And he does right. Like, like, Wyatt Earp was a criminal, guys. And before he was the most famous lawman ever, Wyatt Eart was a criminal, you know, but he turned his life. And, Rich, to your point, to your point, so this is part, before the prequels, there was something known as the special editions. Yeah, yeah.

And the biggest controversy of that, and this was even in the late 90s, the biggest controversy there was that George Lucas didn't understand why it made Han Solo's character so cool to shoot Grito first. And this was like this huge thing in the 90s where George Lucas had edited it, edited that famous scene in the canteena where Han Solo realizes this guy's about to shoot him and he just shoots him first and changed it to make the bounty hunter shoot first. And then Han like dodges and then fires in self-defense, which just totally changes

the character. But again, because George Lucas is a liar and a hack, he didn't understand why that made such of a big difference. Oh, I thought you were going to play that scene. Yeah, I, you know, look, maybe you guys as Star Wars fans, you can tell me, but I don't know if it's true or not, but I thought we were going to get a Han Solo movie after Disney purchased it. But Harrison Ford turned it up. And it was so bad. It's actually really funny. That's the only one that I That's the only Disney Star Wars movie That I will defend So bad Yeah but is it The nerds don't like it

Because it's just like a comedy Yeah but it was supposed to be It was supposed to be a comedy And then they whisked out They were supposed to be Yeah That's what I'm Lord and Miller

The Lego movie Yeah 21 jump I thought it was hilarious Like they want And they wanted Ford to do something else But he was like

No I'm gonna do King of the Oh you're saying to have him in it I see you're saying yeah it was it was supposed to be like he was going to do it and it was going to be something totally different yeah no I think I know you're talking about but yeah they never they never did

he did well maybe you know maybe that's something that's I'm like could potentially they could be discussing if they do this like Russ was talking about the alternate universe you know timeline yeah yeah we're gonna we'll probably get a recast who knows um so I'm saying like but I'm saying with with Han Solo you could if there stands the reason I'm just saying that if you do a different

universe and he's still alive both in the universe and in real life you could have Harrison Ford back as Hans Solo. Yes. Yes. I just feel like that's a terrible idea. It's a lot. It's a lot. Especially because you already have, you already have like Leia is already like both

Kerry Fisher and Leah like like Carrie Fisher's dead. So unless you are going to, unless you're going to just CG her entire character or AI, like we talked about the other, like a couple of weeks ago, like you've got to recast her character. And so that also gives you an opportunity to recast all of the characters, go back to maybe right after episode six and start telling those stories rather than having old versions of these characters because we have to because Mark Hamill's. old and decrepit and so is Harrison Ford. I think Harrison Ford's a deal breaker for me at this point anyway because of what he did with the last Indiana Jones, which is to me unforgivable. Again, but that's Disney's fault though. So to be here, but don't you stand up your house before.

Is Disney's fault? I have always been the proponent. They should have recast Indiana Jones, pretended it was just like James Bond, where you just recast the character. Just keep making it. They could have had 20 Indiana Jones movies with a young guy. Keep it keep doing period pieces They just they replace him with whatever actor is hot that like in the zeit guys

So at the time when they were they were talking about it They'd been talking about Chris Pratt would have been a perfect 100% Oh that would have been good It would have been fantastic So Chris Pratt in the Jurassic World Series literally just is Indiana Gary is literally just the whole thing character That's his that's him doing the audition right there Yeah that yeah

And he carried. Yeah. And so we got a little man in DM Jones. We got that. And then I heard, and I don't know, this is really the way that we're going to go, but Shia LaBuff was going to, like, branch off and basically take over and do something. I love Shilab. I love Shilab. I would have loved.

I would have loved. He's unstable, though. If they would have, he's not stable, but I would have done that because I like Shia LaBah. I thought when he did it, when he played the role he played in Crystal Skulls, I could see it. I'm like, this could work. I actually, I'll even, I'll even like, just to be fair, right? You know, I don't show Indiana Jones four and five than my kids, but I actually thought that the, the, not saying the execution, but I thought the plot, like, just the way it was laid out and sort of the mystery and the artifact in Dial of Destiny was actually kind of cool. Yeah, it wasn't a bad, it wasn't a bad plot point.

You just had a character, you just had an actor who couldn't move because. he's again a hundred years old. So then you're trying to have him play a character that's supposed to be kicking ass and taking names and he's just not doing that. While you feel and I like how they did an entire part of the story. They used the Nazis in the 60s

and they brought in like Operation Paperclip and how that you know showed in Mads was it Mads Mickinson right? Was the main guy? Yes. Yeah. Which is phenomenal. There's no question there. And and like he was going to go back. So he was going to go back. he was going to go back in time to, you know, a certain point in World War II to, like, win the war for the Nazis.

I was like, that's actually not bad. That's, that's, that, I'm sorry, that's not a bad plot. That's just not a bad plot. Yeah, which would undo half of what the original Indiana Jones movies accomplished. Yeah, exactly. No, but that, that, that raises the stakes a little bit, not only for, like, our world, but also for the actual series itself. So it makes sense that, like, Indiana Jones would, you know, would have like a personal

stake in it. I don't know. I thought it was a good plot. I'm trying to think. I'm an 80s baby. I'm an 81 baby. I'm trying to think how many Raiders of the Lost Ark slash Indiana Jones themed birthday parties I must have had. I'm telling you, he was it.

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And everybody, Dylan, Zuzoo, everybody's talking about it, is, okay, so remember a couple of weeks ago we were talking about AI Val Kilmer. So they made the AI Val Kilmer, you know, obviously passed away, but they put him in. So what if they got rid of the, oh, and Dylan is asking what's my favorite shy film? Obviously, Holes. Like, it's not even a question. And what if they made AI?

Sorry? He made a Padre Pio movie. Christ is. I mean, I haven't seen it, but Holes is just amazing. And so what if they had, all right, so what have they had AI versions of, you know, of the young characters, but the actual actors have nothing to do with it. So it's all AI.

But like, just like the Val Kilmer one, it was good. Remember it was like really good, really realistic, looks exactly like them. Would we be okay with it in that sense? I mean,

I think it gets to a different. Yeah, I think it gets to a deeper thing where I think currently we can't write good movies right now because everybody wants to put their own, their biases into their scripts and into their stories. So we're not going to be able to have actual deep filmography

from in these universes because we're just going to have some blue-haired leftist writing it. People can sense the decline in their civilization. They know the old stuff was better and they desperately try to grasp at it by making retreads of it. It's not going to work. People in chat are asking who's the guy with the beer.

those classics and that's like that's what's so sad it's because you you find yourself trying to appreciate the original you know form of art the original idea the original story and it you can't do that with these rewrites because whether they know it or they don't know it they are like perverting it with these new age ideas that or their new age they're old ideas but they think they're new they think they're progressive and they just destroy it that gets to the core of of it is that we we grab on to old actors and old movies and our and this is a weird phenomenon that we have is where our instant response to oh all of this all of this star wars is crap let's go back and the first thought in our brain is oh we got to bring back the old actors it's like no no no no no no no it has nothing to do with the actors yeah it has everything to do with the writing it has everything to do with how the story is told yeah it's not even good shot it's not even good shot It wouldn't fix it. Like, it's still not going to fix having a bad story.

No. I mean, even if Mark wasn't old, he'd still be the same Mark. He was just, yeah, he was, it was hit, who he is,

hidden better and a better story. Hot take. I think Mark Hamel's a terrible actor, other than being a voice actor, so that's, yeah. Andrew was saying that earlier on, he's not a good event.

By the way, Andrew has Honta virus, I heard, so I heard that's why he's not on today. So he's got that, he was on that cruise. Amen, Angelo agrees with me.

Thank God. I'm terrible. We should It's, man. You know what, we're almost out of time. I need to, I know none of you guys followed the instructions to do it. We were all supposed to watch Animal Farm so we could talk about it. Oh, yeah.

Oh my gosh. Man, if we're talking about things they can't make good movies out of. Excuse me. So wait, wait, Blake, you actually watched it? I mean, suffered through it and endured it? Suffered, suffered. So, oh, that's, that's, see, this is. So what was it like?

I feel bad. I want to say, like, I will know, it was distributed by Angel Studios. Angel Studios has made good films that we like. I thought King of Kings was great. I think they've done good stuff.

They'll do good stuff in the future. They did not write this movie. They distributed it. It was directed by Gallum, Andy Circus. And it's, it's really jarring how much they could mess it up because it's a pretty simple story.

Like, okay, if you're adapting a 1,000-page book or this big long series, raise. It's hard to think how do we cut this down to 90 minutes? Animal Farm, you can read in an hour, maybe two hours. It's true. It's a very short book. It's a very basic book. It's extremely obvious what they intend with it. You could basically do a 100%

literal word by word, scene by scene adaptation of Animal Farm. It would be good. It would be easy and people would watch it. And instead, they just totally mess it up. So first of all, they take all the hard edge out of it because they want it to be a friendly kids movie. So almost nobody dies in the new animal farm. So boxer does not die? Yeah, like they don't do that. Like they don't have, in the book it's actually really gruesome because they have the

dogs are ripping animals' throats out and after they confess, you know, because of the show trials. And this one, and like they, even stuff that where someone doesn't die. So like Snowball is chased out of the farm and you know, it's kind of implied. He probably would have been killed. But they don't show it. They keep him as the enemy forever. In this one, they just sort of

like, they just kind of bully side him out of, they like make him leave. You just moves away. He's like, oh, I'm not welcome an animal farm. I'm going to leave. They just sort of force him out. And then the other big thing, which people noted, is it's now about

capitalism. The threat to the farm is that it's going to get foreclosed on by the bank. There's an evil bank. There's an evil bank in the socialism movie. This is basically blasphemy. And point out

that in the old white European and culture, Disney movies, people died. You had to be taught as a child in these stories, these fables, people died. That's life. There's tragic consequences for bad actions, and sometimes people, bad people, do very bad things. And Animal Farm, it just sounds like you're going to take,

you just described a different story. I mean, that's really the truth. So, again, I really think that's what it comes down to. We're just, there are different, we're trying to take stories from certain cultures that recognize certain truths and twist them into a different kind of form that maybe is what they feel is more acceptable to this time or a new worldview. And it's not, that makes it a different story. That makes it some, this, that's tragic for me. I was looking forward to watching this. I guess it's probably not even worth watching if they do this.

Did we say, by the way, Blake, do you know, speaking of the distribution of the new movie was Angel, do you know offhand who it was who, like, funded and distributed the 1950s Animal Farm, the cartoon? The cartoon was better than this. In 1950s Animal Farm distributor, is it going to be Walt Disney? So I don't know exactly which company it was, but famously, a lot of the funding for that actually came from the CIA. Oh, that's great. used to be great. And it was seen as this like Cold War, you know, propaganda piece against the Soviets.

Oh, you're totally right. The actual CIA was behind it. He's totally right. It was produced by John Hallis and Joy Bachelor and funded in large part by the Central Intelligence Agency. Let's go. The CIA actually did one thing.

Oh, I forgot another funny thing about the new animal farm. And so in the original story, they just straight up, they just have like a communist revolution against a farm. And it's a normal farm. And so, you know, the old pig, old major gives the speech where he lays out animal communism. And they just overthrow that. In this one, the actual peril is at the start that basically the evil mega corporation is going to buy the farm and then just kind of kill all the animals. They're going to go to a laughter house, slaughterhouse, but they take this out.

And then that's what makes them revolt is they're all going to die, but then they just overthrow it. And then the evil mortgage comes in. It has a very, it kind of makes me think of the way. angry, commie redditors think it's unjust for them to ever pay rent because the mortgage on the farm that is oppressive,

I think it was literally $1,000. And so it's like, you could just picture there's like, they're making me pay $1,000 for my apartment. Nobody's ever been more oppressed than me.

It's just, oh, and there's also bad, they try to just, they just try to make it like a, you know, it's not funny. There's like fart jokes in it and stuff. No. they should just make a dark animal farm In fact, I think the 50s one is basically dark

Animal Farm. It doesn't go well for old Boxer in that one. No, it's not. Oh, no, yeah. It's They should just re-release that one. Actually, they should just take that movie and re-release it. I mean, we're showing B-roll right now. The animation looks great. The animation was pretty good. I was I was hoping that all they were

going to do was make a higher tech version of this because this, this is actually good. I mean, there was no, there's no reason to do what Blake is explaining they did. That's terrible. And, you know, the scene where they, where Snowball gets it,

who is, is it Trotsky? But like, see, the thing is, they're like, we don't do this anymore. They were trying to emulate a real event, to teach a real lesson and then draw a parallel. And we're just, we have

this, I don't want to say it's a, it's, the problem is like we don't have fixed skin or something. The humans were like the white army kind of. Yes. They're drawing parallels to a real thing and you're not, you don't want to lose that, Jack. So why would you sugarcoat it or tone it down or make it

softer? Yeah, I just don't agree with that version of it at all. Of course, it's too late for us to fully explore this topic, but what was the last 100% pure kids movie? Like this is not not, you know, PG-13, but truly aimed at children

film that went really hard in terms of has death, doesn't shy away from dark concepts because kids actually can handle it like the way the old animal warmed it oh well you know

there's like well go ahead does somebody else have any ideas because I don't have a good answer I'm trying to think of one well like I'm gonna show my age here I'm gonna show my age here but oh go ahead Watership down oh yeah water ship down

when did that come out that was that was 1978 1978 that one went hard see I'm gonna go back I'm gonna go back to the 70s and maybe some in the 80s maybe but, you know, Rankin and Bass, who I thought maybe produced the original line of more farm, and they didn't. They used to do a lot of others, including holiday specials. One of them, like Nestor the long-year Christmas donkey.

His mother dies. It's a horribly tragic scene. You have to just deal with it and go through it. You know, and there's a whole lot of honest things about the Roman Empire and about the human nature. Recent? I don't know. My girl? It's tough.

Fox in the hell. My girl. Fox and the Hound was 81. My girl. And that's not super... Fox in the Hound. That's not super grim and graphic. Actually, if you want to be horrified,

read the plot summary of the book, The Fox and the Hound, which is really messed up. Finding Nemo? Well, does it have to be on screen? Because he does lose his mom. I was thinking, I'm thinking on screen, because there's a lot of children's lit that's better.

It took longer for Children's Lit to get really bad. Because I was going to say the bridge to Terribithia, which is a phenomenal. Oh, I mean, the movie adaptation of British to Terributh. There's a movie. Yeah. There's a movie, yeah. 2007.

I think it's, have you say her name? Seorsi Ronan is the main, I think. And I think she dies. Spoiler alert. She dies off. No, the novel is old. The novel is from 77, but the book is a straight adaptation of it. The movie is a straight adaptation of the book.

There's a lot of. that's Anatovia Robb Yeah, they're okay The book So the book is from 77 The movie does 100% straight Adapt it with the death Kept to the same

And it's hilarious You can find a lot of Gen Z kids deeply traumatized By watching British Teribithia I actually did read the book When I was a kid Up? I don't feel Up was that bleak

It has a sad opening But I think the rest of it Is a very lighthearted thing I'm kind of thinking What stands out to me The Foxx May Max His brother Don

Bamax, his brother dies. There's films where... It's not just that there can be a death. What stands out to me about, for example, the fox and the hound is that... I don't even know if anyone specifically does die in the fox and the hound, but it's that the whole thing is pervaded.

It is like a kind of terrifying movie at times. Like, the fair is actually really scary in that movie. And it has a bleak ending. They don't... They don't reconcile. They don't... They realize they're just innately going to be a part. And it doesn't... It's not a super depressing ending, but it's much more muted.

That's like you're going to grow up and grow apart from people. Yeah. Yeah. There is a bigger, I think, topic there to just, you know, we don't have time tonight to get into it. But how in those, especially Walt Disney era films and just in a lot of kids lit and kids content from that time period, there was a lot more like the happily ever after wasn't always required. That's right. You know, happily ever after and everyone lives and everything's fine. You know, that wasn't always guaranteed.

And in fact, some of these stories worked out in such a way where it was like, no, we're going to teach you that bad things happen and you're going to deal with it. And you're going to be okay. Old Yeller, right? He has to shoot the dog. Old Yeller. That's crazy. So, I mean, you know, there's other lessons to be learned.

But I think Blake, the point in the wolves where the red firm grows isn't necessarily where the red firm grows. It's not just about. the fact that whenever the the cutoff was it's the fact that that's gone now it's totally gone yeah it's because yeah yeah and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that like

we've just lost the ability to to tell deep stories without you know pandering to one side or the other like yeah you can you can portray themes that you know 40 50

think of any of the Walt Disney film like they all hold up today. Like the old Disney animated films all hold up today. Why is that? Because they were all based on white culture. Well, that. And ancient stories.

That. But it was also because the, the themes of those, of those animated stories hold true to today. They hold, and they'll hold true once we're all dead and gone. Like they continue to hold true.

And the problem is we no longer write stories to, that that hold on to those anchors of culture of society of of theme right so aren't we isn't that because we're projecting what we want to be instead of what that that old you know that ancient culture uh that conveyed what is you know like absolute truth this is though these are the realities of life maybe we want to make them better maybe we fight to make them better and God knows we hope for them to be better, but we don't ignore that this is how it is. Rebby Doe.

Yeah, go ahead, Jack. I was going to say, Rebby Doe and the chat had a great, a great example of what Blake's talking about. Pinocchio. Yeah. Pinocchio is really dark scenes in it. Yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Even their Christmas special was dark. I mean, and it ends, you know, to some degree better. But, yeah, it didn't end with total tragedy. but you don't always get what you want. Pinocchio is a great example of that. Jiminy Cricket bounces on him and he's like, look, you're just going to learn, and you're going to have one catastrophe after another,

and you're going to learn the hard way, kid, and that's what he does. That's a great one. Who said that? Good for you. That's a great example. We're hitting our hard out time, but this is a very fun topic. We did get one last donation from Zuzu's pedals.

Thank you very much, Zuzu, for being such a supporter. She says, we need another Frank Capra and a conservative to go to film school and make great. movies that is in the end the only substitute we can't we can't beg Hollywood and we can't beg a bunch of libs to please make good movie slop for us we must make our own slop and unslopify it isn't that right well said well said well said no and that's that's that's and just to bring it right that's why we did yeah that's why we did the halftime show that we did that's why we dialed it

in to the type of Americana rock country music that people in middle America who are totally underrepresented and certainly underrepresented when it comes to Super Bowls that they want to listen to and something that wasn't pandering to them and condescending to them and something that celebrated that part of America to rather than and you notice if you go watch we didn't attack anybody we very deliberately did not mention bad bunny uh leave me I wanted to and and I was like you know what and nobody told me not to I said but I just made the decision I said, you know what, I'm not even going to mention his name. I want to keep it positive.

And that's what one. Positive, good, alternative culture. But it's got to be good, right? It's if we didn't, you know, there wasn't anything political about it. It wasn't political. It wasn't like, here's a conservative message. Like, no, no. I mean, at the end, obviously, yeah, we, you know, we talked about turning point.

But there was no overarching like go vote for Donald Trump or something like, no. No, no. It was good American culture. and that's how people responded to it. That's why it got the numbers did number two largest YouTube live stream in history up until, you know, up till now. And the sky is the limit. I think the market is absolutely there for that.

All right. Well, we've hit against our time limit. Thanks for guiding along, everyone. We hit a lot of fun, a lot of fun stuff. But we have to head out. It's late in the evening, even here in Phoenix. And so all of you go home, keep committing. Thought crimes.

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