The Charlie Kirk Show - THOUGHTCRIME REWIND — How Many Streaming Services is Too Many? Is LOTR Gay? Best Burger?

Episode Date: September 6, 2025

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Yeah, no, this is an important one. Yes. So I've met, first of all, I have to really plead ignorance. Do people watch this? Millions of people watch it. This is incredibly popular. Goggles on. I don't know about goggles. Why would they not watch it with VR? I mean, VR about goggles are expensive, Charlie. So love is not blind. Not everyone took out. Not everyone took out

BP. By the way, imagine the mark. They should hire me. They should not be called Love is Blind. It should be called Love is VR. And they would sell like five million of these things. Okay. So this was, just to remind people we said, hold on. She says, I watched every season, this one and I repent of my sense. I've never even heard of the show. My wife has been watching this. I was the first season of this around COVID time. I remember it when I was this on Netflix. I believe so. Yeah. It's on Netflix. How does this show work? I can explain it. Please. You've

watched it. You have and I've had to watch it because I'm like saying they're trying to sleep. I had no choice. I'm trying to follow the storylines. Try to follow the storylines. I have to admit it. Trash TV is like, you know, it just goes on the back of We're going to, but you have two people that they are, you have two groups of men and a women and they're in separate parts of the house and they have to go into rooms and communicate with each other through walls so they can't see each other. And so they have to pick a match based off of their conversations. And so they normally talk to a handful of people before they pick the person. So it's like a death match. Look at this. This looks so dystopian.

It's basically like. Look, it's in an octagon and everything. thing. It's like a sick twist on what was that old show called where it was like match game or whatever, or the one that Jeffrey Dahmer went on or whatever. Are we back to the cannibal? No, but

he went on this thing. How many shows about cannibals do you watch? No, this is like a thing. Maybe it wasn't Jeffrey Dahmer. He's known about the furries. He's known about Donner. They're going out of the cannibals. But this happens to be a crossover. It's like one of those sick games where you don't see the person and you

have to ask questions, but they do it for like days. And then they decided to get married right away. So you're in the pod for a long time and you just talk to people? So it's like a telephone call? More or less. Yeah. I think that do they type? No, it's voice. Oh, hence. Being love is blind is the idea.

Yeah. So the idea is they interact only by voice and then they can send each other stuff too. They can send each other like gifts and stuff and gifts. But like they can't send each other Instagram handles or anything. No, I don't think they, I don't think they have phones. I could be wrong. I'm going to get like blasted by girls okay so there is a little bit of i gotta give them credit there's some creativity here it's not just okay it's it's still a complete waste of time but we're getting closer

to some redemptive value it's interesting for the viewer because you can always tell when somebody's not gonna be a good match but they think they're a good match so and then you waste 45 minutes watching and then they're like oh yeah and then you're like you're like oh i can't wait for them to meet because they're gonna hate each other when they can i of course love's not blind who came with this stupid idea. Yeah, it's extremely dumb. Okay, but it's, anyway, okay. I feel it's important to remind people.

St. Paul said you should only get married if you have like the overwhelming haunts for somebody. This last season, there was a Solomon, it's better to marry than to burn. There was a guy who like, look, you know, you just knew he wasn't going to like the girl and he saw the girl and he's like, he's just trying to get out of it then because he, like, committed to marrying her. And so after he saw, he's like, you can just tell. He's like trying to find a way, but he spent like five episodes trying to get out of it.

Yeah. Okay. So they talk and then they commit to marriage. Marriage without seeing the other one. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So what happens if she's like a horse?

That's what I'm saying. The guy showed up and he's like, I don't know if I really, like below my standards. And then he's trying to get out of it from that point. Okay. Because then they have to go live together. This is incredible. Daisy just sent this to me. I just want to read it quick.

They aren't supposed to talk about appearance, but one season a guy asked a girl, if hypothetically we met at a music festival would I be able to put you on my shoulders easily? That's smart. That's smart if it varies, but you can't ask height or wait. You're not supposed to ask about it or like race either, I think. You have to guess by their intonation. Got it.

So let me understand. So then the moment that we saw that went viral with liberal Becky was they never saw each other before that moment. Do they only meet at the altar? Do they meet in like the days? Is there a pre-meeting? There's like a room.

He says no, wrong. There's a room. Oh, so they meet one time before that. There's a room where they meet and I think they can propose at that exact moment. They can meet if they get engaged. Yeah, they don't have to get engaged. I think they just have to commit. So the engagement allows them to meet the person they're going to marry.

Do some people call off the engagement after they meet them? Oh, yeah. Probably a majority. And then they go on a trip together for a. week or so. Yeah, and they have to, like, live together, which is also. Yeah, of course. So then they basically live together for a few weeks.

Okay, so then what we saw, and then they date in person for six weeks until they get married. I just read that, Andrew. Daisy is the pop culture person. So then at the altar, they decide what? They just, they, they, they're getting married. If they're going to go hang out and get married. So in this, before we get into the clip, these two people invited their entire families on camera to, like, have this public humiliation ritual based on something that might not happen.

I think they all have... They're sick. I think they all have to meet the families. No, but like they invite them to the wedding. That may or may not happen. Yeah. And all these people are like, yeah, we might be on camera and in front of like a hundred million people.

Well, a lot of these families meet them beforehand. So like during the time that they're hanging out before they get married, like some of the families get like overly involved. So like a really know a lot about this. A sibling will like, hey, I know this one specific couple. because it was hilarious watching this guy see this girl. And you could tell, like, he's really into it, really into her. And they met.

And then he's like, oh, that's not my. I'm just amazed people still watch TV. The big, the big picture here, which has to be brought up, is, are people who watch reality TV humans? It's trash TV. This is 100% trash. We got to get to the, because we're, we're crescendoing to the clip. We're building. It's like, it's an orchestra, okay.

Bum, bum, bum, bum. Like, it's, we're, we're building. Okay, okay. Okay, like we're flying down the trench towards the... I guarantee you most of our audience have never heard of a stupid thing before, okay? I guarantee you they have. They're... A lot of our audience has taken Hillsdale online courses, okay?

We have an enlightened little remnant of American society. They're just going to read classic literature, pray the rosary. I'm telling you right now, a little remnant. They're studying Aristotle when half of the other audiences... All right, all right. Tell us chat. Have you watched Love is Blind or at least heard of Love is Blind? If you've heard of the show, email me, Freedom at Charlie Kirk.com.

Can I just say, oh my gosh. And if so you should be taxed. You're going to have somebody you guys are like, never. No, I have it. No, but I want to make a pitch, though, to defend the people who have, including myself. That have gone on the show? No, there's just not very much good TV left. Like, Netflix is a bare and a waste list.

So this is great. So we turn to this because it's awesome. There's cheap. They just, all they do is cheap stuff on Netflix. I use Netflix. I used it for one thing, and then it got unuseful for Seinfeld reruns. Yeah. And I think they still have it.

I bought them all during COVID I was like I gotta watch them Hulu has Frazier now I know So I got Hulu for Frazier and Seinfeld for Netflix and everything else is Netflix can we just pause how awful Netflix has become last five years

It's not you guys should cancel the subscription If you're watching this crap It's such a waste of you canceled There's no I'm fine and I like Seinfeld For me by the way I don't I don't want people to complain about their financial situation Which I'm not

I'm very blessed if you were paying for Netflix I don't pay for a single subscription service. For the record, I also used it to watch the Thanksgiving football game of which they did a terrible job promoting. There is no way you don't have a single subscription. I mean, I mean, I have like my power bill, but like I don't have a streaming service. My power bill is not a Spotify. You do not have a single subscription.

Like what? Like power is not a subscription. I'm going to make you download whatever that app is. Like, we, no free ads here for that, uh, no, like, what I don't have, I don't have ads in Netflix now. I don't have Amazon Prime. There's an app that looks up all your subscriptions. You hook up to your Bay, you can't Spotify. I don't have, see, I have all of these.

I'm like, I don't have, I don't have any TV. I don't have a million. I don't have like, I don't have Microsoft. I got Fubu. I don't have Microsoft gaming. I don't have any of the video game ones. I got Netflix. I got Amazon.

I got YouTube TV. I've made a bunch of people a lot of money. I don't have like, I'm not in like dollar shave club or whatever that stuff. stuff is where they like send you a razor every month. Oh, I've got like Amazon, Kindle. I'm not on I don't have Kindle. I don't have Audible. Brooks is on Xbox. I've

got Serious X-M. I'm with Andrew. I hate not wanting to watch a sporting event and not having it. I, and then that's why I have Peacock. I get these emails from Peacock. I don't care about Peacock, but the Peacock takes the Big Ten, which is now Oregon. It's the whole thing's all the complicated. Prime Video, I will say

Prime Video is good. I agree. Prime is great. You know why I like Prime? I could purchase movies I want to watch. Yeah, and you keep it forever. The best of all is YouTube TV. YouTube TV is the best. For live TV, it has great coverage. Okay, so back to The Love is Blind.

I can't believe you don't have a subscription. I don't think of it. That's crazy. You don't have a magazine subscription? That's like cannibal. I read magazines. Are you a cannibal? And like, I'm not subscribed to like any like online websites, which is why I always

have to figure out how to get around people's paywalls. Why do you even have an email address? What do you have an email? I always watch. Do you get any spam? That's a subscription. That's not a, No, it's not.

It's free? Oh, that's free. Do you have TSA pre-check? Nope. Why would I need TSA pre-check? That one, I almost got him. That one is a subscription. Almost.

No. What about Uber? What about Uber Plus? No. Uber eats. I take Uber like only for turning point times where I have to fly and get to the airport. And like that's it. Uber eats.

I don't think I've had, I don't think I've gotten a meal delivered by Uber Eats or DoorDash since I came to Arizona. Blake has two years. Blake has turning point eats. It's a lot better. Yeah, it's way better. This is crazy. I can't believe this.

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Let's play the longer clip and keep all of us live, guys. Let's play it. I love you so much. But I've always wanted a partner to be on the same wavelength. And so today I can't. Add the music, boom. I love you so much. And I don't want to stay with you and keep growing our relationship, if you'll let me.

We'll see. All of America. No, no, no, we got to keep playing it. That's not even the... There's a couple more clips, yeah. By the way, I would have told her to get out of here and cash my check from Love is Blind and go away. All of America lost total respect for this dude.

He just looked like such a... Apparently, they continued to date for weeks after this. Even... She was like, I can't get married now, but, like, they kept dating, which Daisy informs us of because she's a watcher of Love is Blind. Okay, do we have the kicker where she's sitting around her liberal relatives in the car?

Yeah, so... They asked him to, like, what his church's view are and he said he didn't know and so then i watched a sermon online from his church about yeah sexual identity and it was traditional i told that to then it doesn't really have much to say about it you know and lots of them to think about that stuff sometimes i did wonder if it was surface fun carefree love that we had equality religion um the vaccine the vaccine the vaccine the vaccine of course the vaccine so i've commented on this extensively the guy is at fault here for a not standing up for himself be not leaving her jack i know

you're an avid love is blind fan what is your yeah yeah take on an episode yeah no i mean look this this kind of goes back to you know funny enough like it goes back to what i was saying in the other segment where we've just got too many people in this country that have this fried mental model that are like over-socialized people are way too invested in politics into their personal lives they they bring these things out and they bring these things up as if it's some kind of like deep-seated commitment to them and and look you know I certainly want you know people to understand what's going on in their country but the idea that you're going to run your entire life over what someone's views on like BLNR or or some you know some kind of like

like and if you're just like some normie like that's that's not actually a good situation for the country right like we don't want to be so over politicized we want people to be getting married and having kids and sort of going on about their life and they're having their quality of life be you know somewhat stable and living in a a system that somewhat stable so the fact that the fact that politics in general is so mainstreamed is it just kind of shows how bad things have gotten up into this point you know up through the 24 moment the 2020 moment obviously because in in a stable society you know people are just kind of going about their lives and you're not going to be mixing politics with like a dating show go back to uh what was the old um oh my gosh the dating

show on mtv back in the day like the original dating show of the one that sean duffy was on Singled out. Thank you. Singled out. Singleed out. Fas got me in the chat. And, like, you would never, ever hear anyone talk about politics in a dating show in the 90s. It literally didn't exist. It's like, what music do you listen to? What movies do you like?

That's awesome. You know, and just not a thing. Yeah, and everyone's chatting that Sean Duffy and his wife actually met on The Real World, which was the original reality TV show, Rachel Campos Duffy and their incredible family. and obviously incredible relationship, that actually started on another reality show, also on MTV, called The Real World. And the real world did start to edge into the political

and religious stuff, but not so political. That was like the whole point, I think. Because, like, the idea was... They tried to put, like, a bunch of people who are different. Because, like, Sean Duffy's season, just because I looked him up once, was like, he had, they had a person in their house, because Sean Duffy was, like, conservative at the time.

And then, like, they had a person who was, like, had AIDS. So he was, like, you know, because this was the early 90s. And so that was, much more taboo then but jack's right like the old dating shows were so much more like fluffy

and just fun and stupid right and like just like you never would get that deep that wasn't the point it was like that was it the real world was the first like real reality show which really goes out the truth of this which is the cosmic thing that's important which is one reality TV is actually fake

and two people who watch reality TV should not be allowed to vote sorry Tyler oh yeah we're we're revoking it like i i am on now that i don't watch reality tv yet i will continue my jihad against reality tv there's no reality tv that that like is okay to you a decade ago i watched a few episodes of bar rescue because i kind of enjoyed the part where he would explain like how to run a bar correctly like the business side of it was cool but then i realized it was all fake because i saw a preview for an episode and they were like this bar is out of control

and the owner was like a clearly staged shot where like he just like she's like why are you carrying it that way and he slaps like a tray out of someone's hand I think the survival shows are fun but I mean I'm trying to think of the last reality TV show I've watched

is American Idol reality TV I feel like that's a game show I would say no I would say no I don't even think the apprentice is a reality TV I disagree because it's like a it's a contest American Idol for four or five seasons was The game shows are not reality shows.

American Idol was a good show the first five seasons. It was a great show. I think American Idol is cool because... We also had some from our high school win. So that was... Yeah, you actually had to, like, achieve something. Yeah, we had someone from our high school literally win. It's amazing.

Yeah, what's her face? I was here in Arizona. Haley Reinhardt was her name. Denny Wright says that I am a TV snob, and they are correct. Although snob is almost overselling. I just don't watch TV. I think the... I like, even though it's a little bit fake, too, is that, like,

naked and afraid and those ones like the survival it's it's cool to watch what was the other way are they going to die there's a cameraman next to them they're not going to let them die oh wow but they do lose a lot of weight yeah that should be like today's fat camp that would be cool like yeah no angelo likes the gold mining reality shows what are these shows I never oh yeah there's like ice pickers those are really bad I'm sorry angelo we're going to shame you like those are the ones in the history channel where they would do ice road truckers ice road truckers is so done with ice road truckers is The entire conceit of ice road truckers is like, this is a super dangerous job. And like, the only reason to watch is, in theory, the ice could break and they would like die.

But that never happens. So what's the point of all of this? Andrew says this. Blake, you play more video games than I watch TV, which is worse? Uh, one, I don't think that's actually true. And two, like, who cares? Actually, probably watching TV is worse. I actually think watching TV could be worse.

Yeah, like, you're just literally just there. An inert passive observer of everything. I think they're both irredeemable. What I will say is the, I think the CDC or whoever, when they were doing one of their obesity warnings, they were commenting on how much TV Americans watched, and they were, like, suggesting you should be more active. And one of their ways to suggest being more active for the truly hopeless watch 40 hours of TV week was try playing video games instead, because you at least, like, move your hands. I have a different take.

I think video games are worse because I think veg out TV like when you're going to sleep or whatever I think a lot of people do that doesn't take away as much other than your sleep which is health concern yeah video games can have a ramp up video games you have to like go remove yourself from reality sit in a box and be there and then the other thing with video games is this is like it's so lonely do you play computer games or do you play like console video games? I play some console games not super often what like what is Xbox still around it's still around I don't own one I don't know I don't know I don't PlayStation is still around? PlayStation's still around, yeah. What do you play? So when kids say they play video games, what do they play? Oh, that would vary a ton. I mean, what's the most popular today? Fortnite, probably, or Minecraft.

What console is that in? Those are on everything. Nowadays, like, the big thing today is every game is on every system. I play with no. Oh, because I grew up in a world where Halo was only on Xbox. Yeah, yeah, that's not, only Nintendo games are like that. And then I turned 18, that's like, this is a waste of time and go build something. Well, Halo is still only on Xbox.

But really? So that's not on PlayStation. No, that's not on PC now? I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's not, yeah, it's on PC. So not everything's on everything. But can we play the Halo music? It's really good.

Keep going. Well, I never play a video. Well, yeah, I haven't played it in a, we played 13 years. We played Halo like it was our day job in high school. That's like what we played. So is Call of Duty still around? Oh, God is a number. So I'll play Call of Duty with Brooks.

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This is not Halo. What is this? No, the original. You know what I'm on. Yeah, seriously. Even I know that. By the way, the guy that wrote the Halo songs like a winger. We talked about that once here on this program.

He didn't win, unfortunately. He came in like fourth place. The original Halo song. Exactly right. Okay, so. It's a Gregorian chant. Martin O'Donnell. Marty O'Donnell.

He came in like third or fourth place. Trump's sporting by the way. he's in Vegas this is this is good music this is that you know what you know why this is good music it feels like you're on a home screen oh my gosh it feels as if you're going through settings

and you know it has that kind of aura we used to play all night long in my parents basement we would completely sympathize we would sync up Xboxes and we would play you know whatever that what was that map blood gulch and

I'm trying to think of the other one there was like misty mouth mountain or something. Oh, man. Oh, yeah, yeah. I remember that one. We played, there was one called Damnation that we played. I got to look this stuff. That was incredible. We play Capture the flag. People are now listing off random games and the people are listing age vampires. I do still play I'm going to tell you right now, which is still awesome. I'm going to tell you right now because I'm going to battle Creek. Battle Creek. Battle Creek. Yeah, Balcreek. There was the big one too. Hangum High was good. Hang them high was good. But there was this one game, this map. You can play on the new

Halo because they have it and they just revamped and read it all the original's. Damnation. One flag capture the flag okay so what is roblox roblox should be i think it's like a platform so like people can make games in it uh is that on xbox i think that's again it's on like everything that's a lot of kids get really into roblox what what is the purpose of fortnight what is what is the thesis fortnight the gimmick of it was it popularized they call them battle royals and so the idea was a hundred people would be in a game at once. Is this like the Leo Jenkins thing? No, that's World of Warcraft.

So this is like a hundred people would be in a game at once, which is way more like, you know, Halo, you could be like 4 v4 at best, but this was, you can have a hundred people and it's called a Battle Royale. So they go to only one is left. It has other game modes they've added over time to, I know what makes it popular is like you can be like any character in it at this point. So like you can be Spider-Man, you can be Mario, you can be like, there's a million different characters that you can be.

Well, and now Call of Duty is doing that. Yeah, exactly. So Call of Duty now, you can be a Ninja Turtle. Great. I just... On Call of Duty. That's crazy. So basically, my takeaway is that nothing has really changed.

The same games are still basically the same popular games. Yeah, but they're really nice now. Dude, Charlie, I completely agree with you. Oh, okay. I've made a point that Jack. No, again, I'm not... Please, Jack, affirm me, because I am a stranger in the wilderness on this topic. My kids, you know, my kids are kind of at the age where they're starting to get, you know, like, video game curious.

We don't have games in the house, but they'll, like, you know, we have like a, like a, one of those smart TVs. And so they could see, they could see kind of like, you know, videos of people playing games or they'll go through the store and look at games. And you look at stuff and you're like, okay, Minecraft is just a rip off of Legos in 3D. Roblox is just a rip off of Minecraft. there's another one. Actually, Sernovich was telling me about it the other day that his kids are into, and I looked into it, and I'm like, this is just a rip off

of all the same games again. And then when you go and look at like the actual popular non sort of like building things games, it's literally all the same characters that were popular in like the late 80s, early 90s. It's like, here's another Mario, here's

another Sonic, here's another Ninja Turtles, and on and on and on. And it's like, The one, I'll throw it out, like, the one that the only one that I've heard that's, like, kind of new is Five Nights at Freddy's, which I'm not even going to get into right now. But, like, the vast majority of games that you go out and see right now, like, just, you know, walking through the aisle looking, I'm like, wait a minute, these are all the exact same games and characters that were around, like, 30 years ago. What about the, but the only, like, they brought out, the Battle Royale thing did change everything. But other than that, there was, like, no changes for a long. So, but let me list it up.

Okay. So the most popular games of 2025. Call of Duty, I had that, and then I grew up. Madden had that. Final Fantasy 8 rebirth, which existed. EA Sports FC25, I'm guessing is soccer. Yeah, BMSP, yeah. And then Minecraft.

Literally nothing has. And then Grand Theft Auto is, so GTA was huge in I was growing up. Is that still popular? Grand Theft Auto 5 is the most successful entertainment property of any kind of all time. Well, it says Tetris is more popular. No, they're wrong.

GTA 5 has sold like, I think, over a hundred million copies. There's a 200 million here. Oh, 200 million, yeah. There's a new Grand Theft Auto coming out to that everybody's looking forward to. One thing that's wild with this is it takes, one reason it's all the same old stuff is it takes them, like, you know how we can't do anything in America anymore because it costs 15 times as much as it used to? Same thing with video games. So you used to make a Mario game with a team of 20 people and it took them six months. Which one was Grand Theft Auto 5?

Was that L.A.? Yeah, yeah. Or they don't call it L.A. It was like San Andreas, Los Santos. Los Santos in the state of San Andreas. So they have not done a new Grand Theft Auto in 12 years. It's been a long time. So let me ask you, have the graphics gotten better in 12 years?

They look the same. A bit, but it slowed down a lot. It used to be you really could tell, you know, it goes 2D, 3D. The shadow dimensions and stuff looks largely the same. I mean, even most games that come out today, like, they're on PlayStation 5 now, most games that come out on PlayStation 5 will also still have a PlayStation 4. version. Well,

it's just slightly not as one. I don't know. Call of Duty looks a lot better than it was a few years ago.

I wouldn't know. But I'll tell you this. Red Dead Red Dead Redemption. Is that the... Red Dead Red Dead Redemption too. That came out like a decade ago. That came out a while ago.

But that is a fun game. That's like Grand Theft Auto but it's in the wild west. You're on a horse. You're on a horse. That's actually fun. Like Brooks was playing that for a little bit. You can just mess around and just like hijack horses and stuff like that.

So the video game I went all in on. Was Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic. Cotor. Anyone else know that? Yes. That was a big Gator? Yes. At the time,

wasn't that the most expensive game ever? Were you light side or dark side? Charlie, you were a Cotar guy? Wait, one or two? I think one. Yeah,

I tried two and I hated it. It was definitely one. It was definitely one. Two was like rushed. One did really well. And then two was like super rushed. It was like kind of unfinished to me. He used a different like developer.

So hold on. It was it was called a massively multiplayer online role plan. series. What was it? Cotaur was just a... I never played the online one. I think it was an RPG role playing game. Which means you could have different directions, right? And like you level up your character, that you adjust their stats. No, but there's different paths.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then MMORPG, massively multiplayer online role playing games is when there's hundreds of people, thousands of people on the server. But yes, I took the dark side. I think Knights of the Old Republic, I think that was like the most expensive game ever made when they made it. It was like a supposed to be like you might be thinking of the old republic with just the old republic which was that was an m mmorepg that they made it is the old republic was the was the online one the tortanic

they called it because oh wait wait maybe i'm confused which one is which so knights of the old republic was your one player it has a story and everything yeah and then there was one called just the old republic i didn't do that which came out a decade later and was like massively hyped and we won't go into that so knights of the republic came out in 2003 and i'm looking at images of it it looks as good as video games today. That is not true. I'm sorry, I'm just looking at this 100%. I think they've made that on VR.

I think they've made that game on VR, like maybe a cheaper version. That was an objectively good video game. It was good, but it does not look like what they're putting out today. I will contest that one. The last big leap, I would say, like, it's probably about 10 years ago. And then since then, yeah, they improved, but it's on the margins. And they're like, oh, you need to have a 4K TV to see this. I've always wanted

So one of the games So the games within the games Like on Call of Duty If you've never played this This is the only time I've sat and played Something by myself And it was with my son with Brooks Is the zombies thing

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You see it. You see it now. I don't agree. I'm saying that he ruined it. It's just, as I always used to look at it as, you know, brotherly love. And then Proto and Sam, there's some very long gazes. It's, it's, it's brotherly love. You guys, I don't want to say Tyler's on to something, but like. To the propaganda.

No, no, no. The propaganda wants you to think every time. Tyler, Tyler, Tyler gets in your head about this, and then all of a sudden you can't unsee it. I'm not even saying it's right. I'm saying you kind of infer it and geez Frodo doesn't look at women that way doesn't look at the woman in the woods that way

doesn't look at Liv Tyler that way that's right I think you can infer that Frodo knew this place and then you really start wondering like Mary Pippin, Sam and Frodo are all sharing a room and you really start thinking about things you shouldn't be thinking about this is like a three week log

conversation with that it's gonna keep going until I win this conversation. And you've got to wonder, like, what are they actually doing in Rivendell? What are they really doing in Rivendale? Because you look at it through kind of the modern woke lens. And I'm not saying Tyler's right, but it half ruined the movie for me. You realize what are they really doing at Rivendale? Why is Gandoff going down there like a weirdo?

They're playing music. They're playing music and they're singing their elfish songs and their elfish language and there's nothing gay about it. No, what's Gandolph really going down there for? He's like his little Thailand. like this is like is gandolph is gandolph the epstein wizard of middle earth yes he is yeah that's his tyler i'm not saying ryan wants us to throw this up ryan wants to throw this up 204 there it is yeah it's no it's i'm telling you once you see it through the tyler lens he's not that he's right

it's just you can't unsee it and it kind of ruins the film you guys you guys i want to make this point that we didn't make the a few weeks ago was it's not just that i think peter jackson had this weird homo erotic approach to this because the elves are all super gay they're all they're all super gay like Orlando bloom is like he looks like Pete Davidson he's like he's just like he's got Pete Davidson vibes to him which is like that's yes yes and we and we talked about all the orcs there's no women orcs there's no female like what is just like there's a lot of gay because the orcs what do they do that's gay what do the orcs do that's gay there's no girls There's no women.

Yeah, so is the military gay? Like, when we make, is Pete Hex's goal to, like, make combat really gay? Is that the goal, Tyler? The story itself, the story itself is not necessarily homoerotic, but there's, like, gases that are, like, half a second, two seconds too long. And then, like, the whole, like, Sam, I'm so glad I have you with me. It's, like, completely unnecessary extra lines of dialogue. I'm sorry. I, like, I rewatched it, and it's such a good movie, and it's so amazing, but if you kind of go back to watch a movie 20 years ago through modern ultra, like, let's just say, gay lens of film, you see some things there.

You got, boy, if that was made in 2025, it would be broke back mountain of Mountain. It would be awful. Yeah. This reminds me, this reminds me of what happened with Abraham Lincoln, right? So he had this really close friendship with a guy named Joshua Frye Speed. And this is before he was president, like well before. I sent the old-timey image of Joshua Frye Speed. But there was in 1926 a biography of Lincoln by Carl Sandberg alluded to the early

relationship Lincoln and his friend Joshua Frye Speed as having a streak of lavender and spots soft as May violets. And that kind of reminds me of like a really good description. description of Frodo and Stanwise. That's Ian McClellan. That's Gandalf. Yeah, Gandalf is gay. I forgot. That's Ian McClellan. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but like, I also call it like, this is, you know, we're changing history here. I mean, I can guarantee you that, that maybe the movie's a little bit like homoerotic, but like the books and the original Grand Marshal, he's the grand marshal of the gay parade. Yeah, but that's, that's modern, you know, that's not that that's not the way the books were written that's not the original intent oh geez

I know you guys are when you accept this framing you are giving in to to the to the gay industrial complex I never thought it at all my entire life and then Tyler mentions it and it half ruins it like no hold on if you let them do it if you let them get away with it they're going to make George Washington gay they're going to make jesus gay they're going to make that's that's that's why I brought up Lincoln with his, so he had a, like he has four kids, he was in a long relationship with his wife, what was their name, Mary Todd or whatever, and he had a history of having romantic relationships with other women before that. I don't, I'm not sure they were physical, but the point is, everybody thought he was

heterosexual his whole life. And then we get to like 2020 and all of a sudden he's gay. So, so I do want to like make space for the fact that men can have intimate, non-sexual, very heterosexual relationships and I think before the gay agenda took over modern pop culture nobody would have thought differently about it stop it Ryan one of our producers keeps putting in very inappropriate pictures uh anyways what it's worth there is we have to make space for the fact that well I mean this is this is a real conversation though because and this and this does tie back to Pete Davidson because you know his like this you know growing up

fatherless thing obviously no fault of his own his dad died in 9-11 whatever but like this entire feminization of males I think the feminization of males in general has made it impossible for guys to have like those old school you know guy best friends because people look at you and question if you're gay so when you create a world in which that's so prevalent I think it's harder to be to hard it's hard to have like a best bite and this actually I've talked about this recently with friends it's like it's actually hard in general for me men to get together and do anything like kind of the old school days it was like men used to get together and do bowling leagues and poker nights and da-da-da-da and those things happened but I don't think they're nearly as prevalent as they were you know many years ago and and I think it's like this is all part and parcel to like again Hollywood everything just like pushing the gay agenda which you know may or may not have started with Lord of the Rings so you know just I totally agree I totally agree here's I don't know if this is going to help my case or

heard it depending on but i'll never forget when i went to italy and okay so it's apparently gonna hurt it based on blake's reaction to italy but i remember going in italy and there would be men holding hands walking down the street just holding hands and they were i asked i was like are they gay and they're like no no no they're straight as an arrow like that's just men in italy they'll just hold like if they feel close to another man they'll just hold each other's hands i'm just saying i'm just saying what I saw. Yeah, that's what I think. All I'm saying is through a 2025 lens, you watch the movie 20 years later, and it's just

you can't help but think because we look at all of that stuff as, as homoerotic and gay. Thanks for ruining childhood favorite, Tyler. Really appreciate it. Oh, no, no. He completely wrecked it. Well, I mean, it was. somebody had planted that in my mind but this is how it happened for me

I watched during COVID I downloaded all the trilogies that existed because there was like so every night I would just watch start watching one of the trilogies I watched literally every movie that had a trilogy and I downloaded the Lord of the Rings I started watching I was like man this is really gay

I can't watch this and I like shut out I downloaded all three I paid for all three movies and I only watched like the like first half of the first one Now, thanks to Andrew's, like, Italy's super straight thing, I'm looking up Liberace to make sure he was, in fact, Italian, and yes, he was Italian, and he put a big candelabra on his piano, and he insisted he was straight his whole life. And then he, well, he died of a condition not associated with that. Well, I'm just telling you what I saw, and men in Italy walked down the street together holding each other's hand. And if you watch the movie closely, near the beginning,

at Bilbo Baggins, 10010th or 111th birthday. Sam was really nervous to go up and talk to the ladies or the woman, so he need like an extra thing of beer and had to be thrown into it. I'm just saying... That's straight. That's straight. Like, gays are great at talking to women

because they have like women brain. Wait, hold on. Not always. A lot of... So, why would a gay dude be nervous about talking to women? What's he worried is going to happen? A lot of dudes are... That's so cliche. It's a stick they use in the movie that men are nervous

of talking to women. Only a certain subset of men are nervous talking about. Not nervous to talk to Marion Pippen. Hey, I will tell you that if you go watch Top Gun, the original, like, go watch that for homoerotic. You're going to make Top Gun

gay for Charlie now, too? Are you ruining everything? You can't ruin Top Gun for all of us? I mean, Top Gun is objectively homoerotic. Andrew, you are putting this conversation in the Danish. danger zone. You are on a highway to the danger zone right now. Yeah. This is not good. There is a reason why there's a lot of rumors flowing around about

the lead in that film, Tom Cruise. I'm just saying that what else are you going to ruin for me? The original 1980s top gun is the most homoerotic movie ever created. It's a fact. You're just going to come in every every week it's going to be one of you guys going to assert another movie is gay. You're going to be like, I mean, Star Wars is gay The Godfather is really kind of like It wasn't really about five families It was kind of like a gay conclave

That was running inner Italian mafia Yeah, you're gonna be like The Good the Bad and the Ugly, Gay You're gonna No, no, no Citizen Kane It's not under every rock No, it's not under every rock

Gay, so Rosebud was not actually His sled growing up, Rosebud was a secret lover that he had during college Yeah Charlie, don't look up the slang term. Don't look up slang terms for that word. Just that's all I'm going to say. Clarence.

Ah, man. You can't touch. You cannot touch. It's a wonderful life. Okay, you cannot touch it's a wonderful life. Okay, hold on. I mean, Top Gun is like, this is not me breaking news. Everybody knows Top Guns homoerotic.

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supposedly gay and also on there is Wizard of Oz oh that's like that's a different one where whether that movie is gay or not gay people are obsessed with Wizard of Oz because gay men love Judy Garland I guess the more the more you know

I also think that there's that connection the same connection with Lord of the Rings as you have the small people if you look up like gay icons I think Judy Garland is literally the first result it's kind of strange. Oh man, this is getting way

too deep into the lower. We should probably hit the Evac button to the next topic before every, it'll turn out everything. Everything is gay. This is why people pay the big bucks. Hold on. Hold on. I'm, I'm, this is top 10 macho blockbusters with hidden homo eroticism. Number 10 is

ravenous from 1999. I've never heard of that. Uh, 300 is number nine. Number eight, top gun, 1986. What are you talking about? number seven come on yeah well because it's all these dudes running around yeah it's called like dudes who are ordering other dudes yeah all right a nightmare on elm street freddy's revenge from 1985 tango and cash 1989 x-men first class 2011 yeah x-men's kind of gay we're corrupt in the

audience yoma 653 i feel like i'm being corrupted i never saw gayness in top ben you guys are This is going to mess with Hedge. We're destroying our audience. Ben Hur, 1959. I could see that. Fight Club, 1999.

What do you think about Fight Club? Fight Club. Fight Club. Yeah. Fight Club. I have not actually seen the Fight Club movie. I think I'm the only person born in my year to have not seen it. That's a perfect example of a movie that was directed at men,

that men, like, boys were supposed to like, that had severe gay undertones, for sure. Yeah. I read the book. Where are the gay undertook? Because they're like, they need like camaraderie. That's just like what a gang is.

Like a, you know, I don't know if I agree with this at all. No, there's a, there's a, I actually, because I got into it after I was reading, because we were talking about gay movies because this is how this came up. And I got to Lord their Rings. This was one of the ones, the Reddit threads I read was all about how Fight Club has all these like, it's tons of undertones like throughout. And it was like planting and like, boy's minds all like in the

2000s or 90s or whenever it came out well we probably ruined everybody's night here DJT 2020 suggests that just all acting in fiction is gay which was kind of what the that is like the true classical take on it you know the ancient Romans

considered actors the equivalent of prostitutes basically maybe we need to bring that back well I mean if we go far enough back the Greeks. It was only male actors, right? So, uh, that would probably attract a certain type of male even back then. Okay. Let's go really quick. Who wants to take the one? Jack, you're awfully, um, passionate about this, uh, this in and out, what a burger thing. Go ahead. So just, well, I'll set it up with some context here, which is, oh, yeah, there's a

someone put up a billboard to troll in and out because I guess which burger was it that did it they like beat in and out yeah I don't even know what that is started in Santa Barbara actually funny enough all righty so habit burgers that's the name of it yeah habit burger they beat in and out as like the number one tastiest fast food burger and now they're trolling in and out by putting up a congrats on number two billboard but I just wanted to have that context so I don't know what that was. So the, yeah, I was in the time machine there for a second, boys. But no, now I'm back.

Now I'm back to America. So, look, this is kind of what, you know, funny enough, J.D. Vance and Tucker got into this, the other, when I saw them in Hershey regarding the quarter pounder and the Big Mac. And J.D. was arguing that the quarter pounder is better meal because you get more meat. And Tucker was like, yeah, but there's no special sauce. And J.D. responds, he goes, he goes, Tucker, you have been manipulated by the elites. Special sauce is nothing. It's all about which burger has more meat.

And that's kind of where I come down on this, that Waterburger just has more meat to it, that it's got more meat than in and out. So I'm like, I don't know. Like, I just, I feel like I like that burger, man. Charlie, are you allowed to- defend in and out? Not real. I'm on this weird, like, diet right now. But typically the In-N-Out is the best. And Tyler, you have to admit, Arizona became a better place when In-Out came here.

So In-N-Out, if you're a West Coaster, especially growing up, now it's kind of like it's everywhere now. I think they should open up in and out. Good for them, by the way. Open up in-in-and-out in Tennessee. But when I was growing up, it was like we longed to go to, every time we go to California, you long to go wait and line in-and-out and just go to N-N-N-Out and just go to N-N-N-A. out and everybody did that. That still kind of exists for people who are on the East Coast for the most part. But like it was, if you asked an East Coaster about in and out, nobody really

knew what it was at all. Like no one ever, like pre-social media, all that stuff. So it was like really the pre-era of it was, and Andrew can probably add to this too, being from Nevada. If you're from like Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, you know, probably like Utah and like other parts, people would go and that was like part of your experience. So it was like culturally part of visiting California was in and out burger. So I would I actually the way I view in an out burger is different than probably how younger people view it in out burger, which is that it has a taste that's associated with like memories, like especially like vacation memories and beach memories that you can't break. But people who don't have that appreciation for it that like that pre era like it just has a

different meaning to you. So I love In-N-Out Burger because it has like all these memories. It's straight up California. Like it's it's like invariably attached that. When they came to Arizona, it was like the biggest deal ever. When they first opened up the first restaurants in Arizona, it was like such a big deal. And it still is. I mean, you go to an out, you go to any In-N-Out burger any night. It's like Chick-Flea. Chick-Flea in-out. It's the longest lines that you'll find in the entire state. But the taste I still, every time I taste it, the spread, It's like, I think of being in California, the beach. I can almost like smell like the sea air.

This is an embarrassing story in 2016. My dad, I was out of the home by this point. My dad flew our family. So a lot of my siblings were still at home. But he's also like, Blake, I'll buy you a ticket. You have to come with us. And he flew our entire family to Los Angeles. This is the first time I had been to Los Angeles so that we could go visit the Reagan Library.

the Reagan Ranch, which is definitely like the most I am a baby boomer conservative thing that my family has ever done. But as part of that, we ended up going to in and out, I think two or three separate times because our Airbnb was close to one. And it's as you describe. It was very long lines that this was right when I think the cult of in and out was really becoming, you know, a nationwide awareness thing. And yeah, we went there a bunch. I did like in and out quite a bit. I don't eat enough fast food burgers to have strong opinions on which one is the best.

To be honest, I usually get chicken sandwiches if they offer them. My favorite burger that I actually eat regularly, we have a place here in Phoenix. I have no idea if they're elsewhere, but cold beers and cheese burgers. They have a peanut butter and jelly

burger on their menu. And every time I go, I order that, and I always tell them, I don't... Is the food good there? this burger is good i always tell them don't wuss out on the peanut butter and jelly like really like slather it up and and they do when i tell them to and it's kind of disgusting you end up with peanut butter everywhere it's a little gross but oh oh it's satisfying and delicious and it's even more delicious knowing that charlie will never be able to eat one that's right blake

that's really sick and sadistic all right everybody i have to go uh do some stuff here go support your local in and out get it animal style double, double, get the secret sauce, extra pickles, animal style is incredible. It's incredible. Animal style is incredible. Here's the order. Get a, get two four by fours, animal style, protein style,

extra secret sauce, extra pickles, extra peppers. Heard it here first. God bless. Keep on committing thought crimes. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks so much for listening. Everybody, email us as always, Freedom at charlick.com.

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