The Charlie Kirk Show - Time for the Insurrection Act in Minneapolis?

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

Minneapolis is being roiled every night by hundreds of Antifa rioters who are sabotaging ICE and even stealing the weapons of federal agents. Nick Sortor and Cam Higby offer a firsthand report from the scene, and the show debates: Is it time for President Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act to control the city? Plus, David Hoch discusses the latest fraud findings by himself and Nick Shirley, this time focused on government-funded transportation companies. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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joined by Blake Neff, another one of our producers here. And we've got a jam-packed first hour. First up, though, we have David Hoke, who you will know from the Nick Shirley investigations in Minneapolis that have gone massively viral. David has been instrumental working. behind the scenes for years trying to expose this fraud and then

kaboom like like a tidal wave uh nick shirley's investigative reporting with david's help has taken over the country and really setting the news uh agenda right now all the headlines are about minneapolis minnesota a lot of that was sparked because of this investigation so without further ado david hoke welcome to the charlie kirk show thank you very nice to be here yeah and those who can't see it uh he's wearing your, that sweatshirt you're wearing is quality leering center. 1-800 fraud.

You have a lot to be proud of. You guys probably gave us the best conservative meme of the entire year. Does that number actually work? By the way, I should ask. We just put it on there. We should, but we should. This should be a government hotline,

1-800 fraud. Maybe it goes to be a bonus or something. Yeah. I mean, imagine, like, I know this exists, but like we should really like emphasize if you can uncover a fraudulent program such that it gets stopped and maybe someone gets convicted of it, you get 25, 30 percent of what was saved.

I actually love those kind of ideas. Yeah, these exist. We got to really drive. There's a lot of incentives in the market, David, for fraudsters. There are not as many for people like yourself that want to do good and want to protect taxpayer funds. So you had this first video with Nick that went absolutely, I mean, I don't think anybody's ever seen anything like it, especially on X. and you've come out with a part two now exposing transportation companies. I was reviewing some of the clips just before the show today.

And truly remarkable stuff. I want to start with just an overall question. Did you know this was happening? Did you learn something in this investigation? What are the big takeaways here? So this all began several years, well, many years ago. And really got jump started when I, when I began. noticing all these child care facilities here in Minneapolis.

And they were pretty concentrated in one area. And I said, well, I think we have more child care centers in Minneapolis than we do children. So I started to look and say, well, you know, the snow would fall. And there'd be no footprints around the center the whole day. And I'd say, well, what, I mean, what's going on here? And so I started to look at who own these child care centers. And I started to see all these veins driving around the Twin Cities with the, names but there was no phone number no address on them just a name with a number on the back

but they never had a passenger in ever ever ever and so i started to kind of say well what's going on here and that led into feeding our future the autism centers all of that and i realize that this was going to be like wrestling a greased hippo i i just i couldn't get my arms around it so and this is this is advice for anyone else out there who's going to do this sort of thing in your state you can't try and tackle the whole thing but once you have to pick a pressure point to start with. And in my case, I chose to child care because I knew that that would resonate with people,

especially when they're paying $2,000 a month per kid to send their kid to child care. And then they find out this whole fraudulent network has been set up. And then I knew I was going to move into the non-emergency medical transportation side of things. And I realized that that was the hub of the wheel. Like I said in the video, All these other things, child care, the adult day care, the autism centers,

they're all spokes on the wheel. It all revolves around transportation. So when I had all this data finally put together, I said, look, I'm a nobody. I need to find someone who has an internet presence who can deliver this. And I started to look at all these different influencers. I saw Nick Shirley. I said, that's my guy right there. I just tested the hell out of him until he called me Friday night about 9.30, my time,

and said, okay, I'm coming to me. And then we made the first video. I said, well, get your return ticket because you're going to be back. It was, well, I don't know. And then as soon as that one went, just exploded in there. He called me to so I'm coming back. Yeah, I mean, and it's really, I mean, listen, and this is, you've got this whole ice story, which we're going to be hitting in part two of this hour with Cam Higbee and Nick Sorder,

who have been on the streets doing more independent journalism, trying, they've been infiltrating some of these Antifa groups, these paid protest groups, these communist front groups that are reacting to the surge in ice, which are reacting to the video that you and Nick Shirley did. I have so many questions, but let's start there. What is it like to be enveloped in this national story? Arguably the cause of the biggest story. You are the spark that lit the fuse.

So I was born and raised in South Minneapolis. I lived here my whole life. Not a Asian grades go at that terrible shooting last year. Washburn High School University of Minnesota, Minneapolis. And he said, well, look, when I all started to really realize what was going on here, I said, there's something, it just doesn't fit right into a normal society. And I said, well, nobody's doing anything about this. And so when I started to look into it, I saw all these tentacles going everywhere.

And I said, oh, my God, I can't do this. it's too enormous. So that's why, you know, I'd say, you know, God, I can't do this, but there's something inside me that just pushes me forward. And I said, okay, well, nobody else does do anything. I'm going to be the guy. I got no idea that this would be the spark not only nationally, but internationally. We have people wearing these t-shirts and sweatshirts.

I'm getting videos from photos from Japan and Russia and Sweden and Australia and New Zealand. limits everywhere because of one misspelled word. And what I didn't point out in the video is that not only did they have the word learning misspelled, they have the address misspelled on their door because Nicolling is spelled with two wells and only had one element. And so they were wrong two out of the four words on the building. But I didn't want to point it all because I wanted the focus to be leering versus learning. So I said, look, I'm not going to sit by and let this happen.

I'm not going to hand this situation off to my kids and let me. them deal with it. I'm the guy who's going to stop it. I'm going to tear this whole thing down. Well, you've lit a fuse, I think, you know, for Blake and I, even. And we were, we were sort of aware of this story. We saw it in the, the city journal. We had Ryan on, Ryan, uh, oh, yeah, Thorpe on who had done that story. So we were seeing this percolate. And then it, and then boom, this all happened. By the way, Walter Kern and the county highway, uh, which is not, not digital. It's only a print publication. They had done a story before that, which led to the City Journal investigation, which then kind of snowballed with the Nick Shirley. So it's amazing to

see that we can blow stories wide open. First question, are you staying safe, David? I do have a concern about that for you. Well, this is something that I would not recommend that anybody do in the fashion that I did it because my head is on a swift. I have to have the lights on all the time. I have to carry a firearm, a baseball bat, and what's called a WIPP, a metal whip it to protect myself because now people are starting to recognize me, and it's a, it's a frightening place to live in my world,

but I just, I have to do it, and I believe that at some point, somebody could take me out. I mean, that's not movie type stuff. stuff. This is real life. And if that happens, at least I can go knowing that I did what I could do to try and make a difference.

And now today I get a text that there's a DFL state representative here in Minnesota who's live streaming the location of federal agents. Yep. Yeah. So like what can you say about that?

It's all coming out of Minneapolis. This is the epicenter of all the fraud in the United States. And it's even spread out among the world. The genesis of it is right here in Minneapolis. I mean, I didn't mean to awkwardly pause there. I'm just, we've been through a lot over here on this show too, David. So it hits home. If you're stressed about getting out of debt, it's go time. Seriously, this is one of those moments where timing actually matters. Done with debt is one of the best I've seen at navigating debt relief. 2025 was a record year. They enrolled over $102 million in debt for our list.

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And I don't know if this is the key portion of it, but something I took note of David. And that is all of this money that has got that has been basically built from the taxpayers and then smuggled through some the MSP Minnesota St. Paul International Airport back to Somalia and we're talking bags full of $750,000. $1 million, $6 million according to this gentleman. Play Cup 500. The smallest amount in a suitcase that I heard was like $750,000. but generally it was anywhere from a million to six million in a suitcase and there usually was there as far as i can remember there was always two individuals traveling so you would have maybe

one guy with 2.2 million and another guy with 3 million and at airports you're able to take $10,000 without declaring it how are these guys able to take millions of dollars because as far as I know as long as they declared it they were fine and then we found out, David, later in this clip, that they actually reported this to HSI, which has all the investigative authority and power that the FBI does via Department of Homeland Security. How is this legal? How did nothing happen? What did you guys find? It goes back to what I said earlier that Minneapolis is the epicenter of all of this fraud and all this corruption. For someone to be, I mean, if I walked in there for a 10 cents, I have to source it.

these guys are walking through with millions of dollars in cash at a time. And had I known it, I would have insisted that TSA was running drug-sniffing dogs around the money because you know there's going to be a scent of cocaine or something. When you have that much cash, there's going to be a trace of drugs on it. Of course. Then they could see the money. They didn't do that. And so this fraud is so gigantic that, again, people are so,

frustrated and overwhelmed by it. I said, look, you've got to just, you got to chip away. If you're going to do this, you've got to focus. You got a strategy. I saw two years ago, I knew what these videos were going to be about, but I didn't have all the data to put together. I didn't know what sites we were going to visit. But when Nick hit town, I had it all laid out where we were going, how much money they'd gotten, why we were doing it the way we did it. And I said, this first video is going to be the most viewed video on the internet. I told him that, talking on the, phone and indeed it was, I don't know, it's 400 million views or whatever the number is. And then I said, we have to, we have to go directly in the transportation because that all comes

back to transportation. I said, we can't do 10 videos on autism. It's just, it's not worth it. Childcare and then move into the transportation and it was right. Well, let's, let's get a clip of that. So you went to a location of one of these supposed transport companies. And to set it up, it's the state will fund money for people, will give money to companies that are supposedly to transport disabled people. Elderly. Elderly stuff like that. It's a very popular business.

There are a lot of these. I spoke with someone who's a realtor in Minneapolis. And she said over and over, they would run into people, Somalis buying homes. And it was always like, it was another daycare center. It was another transport company.

I think someone had all three, those two, and then a Medicaid company. It was unreal. But let's play the clip here. This is Nick Shirley finding another fraud spot and getting kicked out 518. Do you guys know where advanced mobile?

ability is. Do you guys know where advanced mobility is? Yeah, we're looking for it. Never heard of it. What is this? What is that? Oh, my name is Nick Shirley. We're just looking for advanced mobility. Where's advanced mobility at? We don't care about advanced mobility. That's what we're asking for us. All right, we're looking for advanced mobility. Nobody can help us right now.

We got a whole group of people trying to get us out of here. We're looking for advanced mobility. I don't care about it. Advanced mobility doesn't exist. doesn't exist. And so it's not in that clip, but I believe it was saying it was that suite 2-24, and you couldn't find a single suite even labeled two in that building? No, so it's interesting you picked that portion of the video because it's the most significant

because that advanceability has been registered with the state of Minnesota since 1999 at that address and it's a one-story building so all of the suites are 101, one-or-two-one-o-oh-people. You have to have a second, there is no second story so you can't have a 200 suite.

So it's never existed. It's only on paper. And nobody ever checked this, David. Nobody ever did. So this complicity goes back before Tim Walts then. I mean, it's been going on years. So, yeah.

So Devil's Advocate, did you look anywhere out, did you maybe try to find other evidence the company may have ever existed, or maybe that it had been there, it had been somewhere and moved. I don't know. I'm just trying to find defenses that the state might make. That's why we asked the people, have you ever heard of advanced mobility?

Because some of those companies have been there for eight or nine or ten years. So if you've never heard of it, how can it be registered at this address? But that was only one example. I've been to probably 70 of these, and none of them, I can't find an office. I can't find anybody there. I mean, their apartment buildings, they're vacant buildings, their liquor stores. You saw at the grocery stores.

I said, well, what, one, there's several of them are money, wire transfer services. And you saw that one gentleman in liquor store. He said, yeah, Safari water service. Yeah, Safari gets the money and they send it out. I said, well, where's the transportation company? He doesn't know what you're talking about. And what we didn't include in that video was there was a guy who stormed into that liquor store.

And he started showing it, the older guy in Somali, to get him to stop talking. And so that guy turned around and walked out the back towards the back door. Yeah. I mean, so you grew up in Minneapolis. Just for the sake of our audience, how much have you seen the city demographic to transform as you see the Somali communities come in? So what's been most shocking is their failure to assimilate in the slightest bit. They are in my way or the highway and they have these DFL legislators who stand behind them because they didn't create.

all this fraud. They had help from politicians to construct all these companies. They didn't know how to do it. The politicians helped to do it, and they saw them as a solid voting block. And so they brought more of men and more of men. Yeah, that's exactly right. And, you know, this video, these videos light of fuse in a lot of Americans, because we're the ones getting ripped off, and you can, you can just see it. And it's, you're not getting ripped off for other Americans. You're not getting ripped off for a good cause. You were just getting straight ripped off and the money's going overseas to a bunch of some moms. They're stealing from the blind, the decision. the elderly, the kids with cancer, they're stealing from all of those.

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Now it's your term to help protect yours. So one of the big news stories of the day is coming to us from Axios. And it's disturbing because it indicates that a lot of squishes are surrounding President Trump and trying to tell him to go halfway, half measures in. in this push to remove illegals from our streets. Now, here's what's happening. The polling is indicating that Americans are turning on President Trump's immigration enforcement measures. This is the polling.

Now, there's, I don't believe it, first of all. And this stuff is so transitory that you have to look past it. This is our one chance, I believe, to set right what has been a decades long wrong, right? Yeah, so the headline was from Axios. Axios is a very funny one to read because they write like no other publication. It's all bullet points. It's bullet points. I have to imagine.

Yeah. So it's all like bullet point and very to the point and you don't always know what's behind the scenes. But the claim is Trump's immigration erosion worries his team. And what they're claiming is eroding is they have polling that says independent and undecided voters think President Trump is too focused on deporting illegal immigrants. And also that ICE. has taken a reputational hit. Now, what I would first observe about that is that such an obviously, like, media-driven sense of things.

Why would they think President Trump is too focused on deportations? Because the news media is perpetually covering ICE in Minneapolis in this hostile way. That's what drives it. And that's also what's driving any sense of damage to ice, is there's hostile coverage of one incident that happened in Minneapolis. And I think you and I both agree that a headline like this is partly designed to engineer. What we warned yesterday cannot be allowed to happen. They're trying to attack the moral resolve of the administration and get them to wuss out.

They're trying to get them to back down and say, the juice isn't worth to squeeze. Get out of Minneapolis. Let them do their thing. And I think what you and I both agree is once that happens, the jig is kind of up that they won't be able to enforce their immigration will anywhere else. and it's not going to help their numbers because to be sort of straightforward, success succeeds and failure continues to fail. Well, here's the thing. Here's what's happened with the media complex in the country. You have Renee Good get shot. The apparatchiks on MS Now and CNN and the Washington Post and New York Times, they see an opening just like the protesters do. So they flood in the zone. They do sob story after sob story.

They show complete propaganda of protesters infuriated. One begets the other. They all believe the lie. And then they just regurgitate it and parrot it. And they think Gestapo, Nazi, Trump, tyrant, all of this. That was a distraction. Unfortunately, Renee Good getting shot from the fraud story that was pushing up the positives in the polling to do this mass deportation. So this is a moment in time where we have to be showing, to Blake's point, resolve.

We cannot give in to this sob story, weak need republicanism that doesn't work and we lose our country. This is the opportunity where you double down, triple down. And we now have, it sounds like we now have Nick Sorter and Cam Higby, who've been on the ground in Minneapolis, who can give us an insider scoop of what they've been seeing. I mean, these guys are absolute maniacs and heroes. They are in middle of the night, freezing temperatures. You guys are out there. Welcome to the show, guys.

We were having a little tech issue, so I'm glad we got you on. Nick, Cam, I don't know who wants to take this first, but what are you seeing on the ground? Describe it in detail. How violent is it? How organized is it? And then we're going to get to a conversation about, is it time to invoke the Insurrection Act? So maybe you're on the left here, Nick. You start and then over to you, Cam.

Don't be saying I'm on the left here, man. I don't want the audience to get the wrong idea. On the screen. I know better. I'll tell you it's it's just it's not getting any better right if anything it's getting worse

we just saw the other day and I was able to announce this yesterday that the that FBI rifle that I captured being stolen out of a an FBI vehicle that was a select fire rifle by the way it was a machine gun

and it ended up in the hands of a Latin King's gang member out here the same gang that has a $10,000 hit out on Bovino. So, you know, and these are the Democrats are siding with out here.

These are the people that they're supporting. I've gotten a bunch of hate messages in my DMs from people after I had this guy arrested yesterday. You know, I've been in direct contact with General Pam Bondi several times a day at this point, you know, tracking these people down.

The FBI is on the ground doing a really good job with that. I'm hoping there's going to be another announcement on that today. But the fact of the matter is, you know, I told Minneapolis police immediately as this happened because they were just a block away. And I told them that somebody, I didn't know what kind of gang he was in at the time, but the face taps kind of gave it away, had just stolen an FBI rifle. Here's a video. Here's the license plate of the vehicle that he just got into and ran away.

And they didn't do anything. They just let him go. showed them the video of it happening they let the guy go they could have taken this rifle off the streets right then right there instead they risk the lives of you know countless innocent people by just letting him run away because they didn't want to offend the anti-ice rioters i mean this isn't getting any better guys so just to give a scope how how many i guess straightforward numbers i feel like i'm not seen how many people do you sense are out on the streets How many are really violent agitators versus how many people are maybe spectators passerby?

It varies and they become way more emboldened after the sunsets. So it's, I mean, outside the federal building, it's pretty consistently upwards of 200 people. But it's really, I mean, it's a lot of the same people during the day. But as soon as the sunsets, they get that mob mentality. More of the agitators come out and it gets really violent. I mean, it's gotten to the point where Nick and I, can't even show up anymore. They run us out as soon as they realize we're there. They call us agitators. I was out there embedded for nine hours yesterday. And it wasn't until right before I was forced to

leave for the night because they chased me out that they realized I was even there. It's like I'm obviously a pretty poor agitator. Minneapolis Police Department, local law enforcement in general, don't do anything. They don't enforce the law. I always say that if you don't enforce the law, you don't have laws. The laws are only as good as their enforcement mechanism. And right now, Minneapolis has no laws because they're not enforcing any laws. I definitely think it's time for the Interaction Act and I've been calling for it a lot. So let's probe at that when you say they don't enforce laws. So are they present? And if so, how many? And what do they do? Do they passively watch? Do they ever move about? Do they ever try to order people? Even if they're not

making arrests? Kind of just paint out the situation for us. I mean, for the most part, you'd think there's no police in this city. When they do show up, they get chased out. They retreat immediately. the protesters win every single time. That happened in the night they were breaking into the hotels. The police showed up a couple times. At one point, they did form a really terrible kettle where state police basically just let people leave the kettle whenever they wanted, so they arrested nobody.

But other than that, Minneapolis Police Department drove by or showed up a couple times and they were chased out every single time. Like the almost terrorist attack that Nick stopped on the hotel, they showed up for that, and then they got chased out. I got stocked in downtown Minneapolis after an indivisible rally the other day. The guy looked me in the face, told me that he thinks it would be okay if somebody killed me for my beliefs. I never vocalized my beliefs, by the way. He just knew me because another guy told people to follow and harass me and make my security earn their paycheck.

He told me that he thinks it would be self-defense if somebody killed me because of my beliefs. And then he ran around town following me, telling everybody that I think Renee Nicole Good deserved it. so obviously that incited a mob against me. I called 911. They never showed up. Jesus Louise. So the question is it's going to be zero degrees this weekend. I mean, this is like daytime highs.

Isn't it going to be? I think it's like low. The low. Okay. But that's overnight. I've been of the mind here, Nick, because you've covered this stuff when it's, you know, summertime riot season. That's riot season, right?

Summertime, spring. I'm convinced that this would be just a thousand times worse. if it was summer. Do you think that you're still going to see the groups coming out this weekend? And do you know the names of the group? You mentioned Indivisible. What other groups are there? Well, in terms of names of it, Indivisible is the one that I know of at the time.

I mean, it's not a hugely organized group out here that's going from place to place to place. In terms of the weather, I mean, it's going to be anybody's guess, really. I mean, it's obviously probably not going to be nearly as bad as it could be, given the cold temperatures. But that hasn't really stopped a lot of these people. Anybody that is from any states in this area, if they come from Chicago, if they come from Iowa, places like that, they're used to the cold already. And when it was, keep in mind, last week right after this happened, we saw similar temperatures out here, and it was still pretty violent. So I don't necessarily think it's going to quell everything. I just think, you know, the Soros folks will send out a lot more goods to support them with out there.

And you should see the, what was that? No, I was about to play this Pritzker clip because we're hearing this from a bunch of Dems, because we're talking about the insurrection. I'm completely on with you guys. I think if Minnesota, what I'm hearing from you, if the Minneapolis police are unwilling to engage, and drive back these agitators, then we have a serious issue. I mean, they're confronting ice. They're harassing ice. They're trying to set traps of ice in front of ice, right? We've seen them putting water out on the streets. But this is what Governor Pritzker is saying from a state over.

Let's go ahead and play at 489. The feds are supposed to be fighting to protect your civil rights, not to take them away. And the Insurrection Act is designed only for circumstances. where your rights can't be protected by, you know, local authorities or by whatever federal authorities are already there. And then, only then, can federal troops be brought in to protect your civil rights. This is exactly the opposite. It's like they've turned it on its head.

Cam, what's your reaction to that? Well, I think it's in the name. The Insurrection Act is intended for insurrections. And when you have people trying to pull down the fences of federal facilities attempting to kill, federal officers breaking into their vehicles, stealing their documents that is allegedly controlled unclassified information. I think that that probably constitutes the beginning of an insurrection. Governor Tim Wall said that he would deploy the National Guard if things got too bad. And here he is continuing to

encourage these people, despite the fact that they broke into vehicles the other night. And honestly, I'm a little bit disappointed in the federal response. FPS came out last night, and they were very easy on these guys as they tried to pull that fence down. very few munitions deployed, I would have expected a much larger response from these guys. Something really bad could have happened the other night when they broke into those cars and stole the rifles. Well, you're absolutely right. And listen, if you come in with a show of force and you put the hammer down, a lot of these people have glass jaws.

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We've received multiple reports of heavy ice activity in different parts of Central Florida, including the University of Central Florida, Winter Garden, Altamont Springs, and other surrounding areas. We've also received reports of heavy ice activity at certain hotels in the area as well. I'm making this video to confirm both of those things that ice is in the community and that they have made pretty large hotel reservations in surrounding hotels. as well. I play that clip for you guys because you're seeing it up close and personal. If we do not stop this insurrection in Minneapolis, it spreads. These guys are all going to get emboldened to do even more. And then you guys are going to be flying all over the country, covering the next

chaotic eruption somewhere else. Is that your read on this? If we stop this, that the message will be clear? Or do you think this is just going to keep spreading? Yeah, they're going to have to make an example out of this place. Especially, you know, this is a, obviously in the Middapal, St. Paul area is a Democrat stronghold. And right now, these people firmly believe that they're going to get away with all of this and that ICE is going to back down. You know, they're talking about these poll numbers, which I don't even believe are real poll numbers, because if you talk to actual people on the street, they don't want to live next to Venezuelan rapists. I mean, it's, it seems like, that seems like a no-brainer, right? I will tell you I would much rather cover this in somewhere like Florida.

But I'll give you an example. When they tried all these rallies and these big protests, like Indivisible, was doing stuff down when I was in New Orleans as well, they didn't put up with it. The Louisiana government didn't put up with it. They shut down all of the potential riots right away. And up here, you see videos of, of anti-ice activists running red lights, following ice,

you know, going around buses on blind corners, 12 of them at a time, just total lawlessness. And the police don't do anything about it. They can literally see it happen. And they don't pay any attention to the person that just blew a red light at 80 miles an hour to catch up with ice vehicles. Down in Louisiana, I did that.

Just because I was covering ice, I, like, rolled a red light and turned right behind them without stopping at the red light on that right turn and they pulled me over for that. God bless them. You didn't have the same issues down there.

You didn't have the constant clashes with ice in the middle of the street. The truth is cities that have had to deal with really severe violent crime for a long time or where they have a history of really bad, well,

I shouldn't say that about Minneapolis because they do. Cities that have had to deal with a lot of violent crime for a long time just don't have quite as much like they just don't have the patience for this they realize what the cost to a city or they get normalized and so it you see it's like it's portland it's minneapolis it's seattle it's cities that historically were safer usually and its cities also it just has to be said

demographically they're more of what you'd think of as well let's just say stereotypical white liberals run these cities still as opposed to in if you're in new orleans if you're in Atlanta if you're in Detroit those are heavily black cities that are run by other black Americans. And they just don't, they don't fall for this nonsense nearly as much. They don't, they don't get suckered. They're not marks. Cam, do you, do you have that same impression that you could, you could squelch this in Minneapolis if you brought enough force? If we just, if we just basically said enough of this garbage, we're putting our, our foot down now, that the rats would scurry. The rats would flee the ship. I mean, I think, I think the record just speaks for itself. Why is this happening in Minneapolis and not Florida? It's because

they know that if they did this in Florida, the Florida state police or local police would have a field day with them. Why aren't they doing this in Texas? Because they know Texas state police isn't going to take it. They know Desantis isn't going to take it. And so they're doing it in Minneapolis because they know the government here supports them and they can get away with it. I think an overwhelming show of force would absolutely squelch this. They're like children. It's just learned behavior. If your child touches the stove and burns themselves, they're probably not going to do it again. if your child does something wrong and you punish them, you give them a spanking, they're probably not going to do it again or they're going to do it to a lesser degree. And like Nick said,

I hope that a message to the administration, please do mass raids in Hawaii. We'd much rather cover. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, I mean, that's an interesting point, right? I mean, it does seem to be the sort of white enclave, white traditional liberal, like softies that let their cities devolve into chaos right now. And, you know, you guys are talking about this, Nick. This is the Axios article that came up this morning. We have the graphic here. Two public surveys released this week, one from CNN, another from UGov, found that most Americans said the agency was making U.S. cities less safe, referring to ICE. Another poll done for the Associated Press after goods death found that just 38% of Americans now approve of Trump's immigration policy. I don't

believe that for a second. But what I do agree with is that when you, to your guys' point, when you allow this kind of chaos, whether it's 200 or 300, you know, agitators, when they get tackled, when you see these purple-haired jihadists getting, you know, face planted in the snow, there's a group of us that love it. But when it keeps going on too long, that's when you're going to see the negative impact on the polling, as opposed to you just snuff this out, like on day one, you don't let it get out of control. Then people move on. Everybody's memory is so sure. short, you go back to Somali fraud, boom, your problem solved. I mean, just look at what happened in Portland. I mean, Portland was terrible for like a year. I mean, they were out there every single night doing violence. And then finally, the Portland Police Department decided to come in and tear their camp down. And immediately, it was not totally done, but pretty fizzled out.

And now, you know, just before this shooting, it was, I mean, people were going out there and there was nobody on the street. So now they've had a. a bit of a revamp after Renee Nicole Good was shot. But, but I mean, they went in one time and just took the whole thing down and had a constant presence. And it really stopped a lot of the violence that was happening. And that's all it took. Yeah. I agree with you. And, you know, last question, we got to go. We got one minute left here. But gentlemen, are you taking care of your safety? Please tell me that you guys are taking care of your safety. Nick, you guys have had some close calls.

You drove that car out, the, you know, the graffiti on your car, the broken. windows like is there where a place where we can donate to your security let us know yeah we just got added to black line guardian fund which is something that brandon tatum started right uh to on profit so i believe all the donations are tax deductible it's uh basically my you can find it pinned on my twitter under any of my tweets about the protests okay click the link knee nick sorter and nick shirley on there you just find us whoever you want to donate to you just donate to our individual fund yeah i encourage everybody watching please Please donate to these guys.

They're doing heroes work in there. And I know that you guys are doing even more that we can't discuss here, just kind of helping reduce the chaos. So God bless you both. Stay safe. We'll have you on again. I'm sure there'll be more of these stories, sadly. Take care, guys.

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