The Charlie Kirk Show - VP Vance's Q&A Master Class

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

When was the last time a sitting Vice President took open questions from students for an hour during an off-election year? Vice President JD Vance did that last night at TPUSA's Ole Miss tour stop with Erika Kirk. Blake and Andrew have the best clips and reactions to them, and then Mark Halperin joins for updates on the NYC Mayoral race. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Lord, use me. Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold. leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family friends and viewers. All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm Andrew Colvette, joined by Blake Neff in studio back here in Phoenix after an amazing, amazing evening in Ole Miss and Oxford, Mississippi, truly one of the most amazing events that I have ever seen in person to be a part of. Blake, you, uh, held down the home fort here yesterday. Great show. I got lots of compliments from people. So well done. Well done. Uh, also we got to, I want to do one of those dumb questions with. We do. We do we need to have time. We should. A lot of people likes that. We, we need to do like a bunch of turning point kids just call in. Yeah. Like make it available to them and we'll just do like a dumb question. And we can turn the tables, do an ask gen Z where we try to figure out what. What is six, seven? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, but I mean, just genuinely, I have not had my phone lie to. up like that in a long time and it was it was really amazing to be there erika kirk knocked it out of

the park with one of the most i think morally clear just inspiring courageous messages i mean we're sort of getting accustomed to her delivering these amazing messages i mean what a woman what a what a what a what a what a woman uh blake's famous lied i mean listen and then and then to have j d come like here's what blows me away is so you do not see politicians do that. You do not see the vice president of the United States not in an election year just get up and

take unmeted, it's so old-fashioned. Everyone's so used to politicians being very, so many layers around it, but it's the old-fashioned way of doing things. You know, in the 1800s, you know, everyone's talking about the White House. You used to be able to just walk up and knock on the White House front door and you could ask for a meeting with the president. This is

kind of a modern version of that. You know, the vice president is out there. You can get access to him. You can ask him questions. He was so raw. I mean, like, they were asking about, you know, Israel. They were asking about, what about your wife's not? She's, she's brown. She's not a Christian. It's so gutsy to take questions like that.

And he answered them with such grace and transparency, but like, but yet he was still authoritative. He was on the offense. He never let the question or the questioner put him on sort of like the back heel. He was, he was forward pushing the entire time. It was a triumph. And it's, it really was. Charlie would be so proud because he's, he believed in Jay. from a very early day and we've seen him he's always had so much promise but we've also seen him

just get better and better and better because he's been and the way you should get better which is just getting out there fighting every day getting the experience getting the reps the same way charlie did no totally right and let's so without further ado let's play some of these clips let's start with erika now you know you hear about the greatest generation and erika really wanted to make a point last night that she believes that gen z and by the way i believe this too as a millennial i believe this about you gen z that you are the courageous generation my generation was it is and was sort of like you know we're still getting over the obama uh hangover or whatever we were we got really excited about obama in 2008 2012 gen z has a chance to be the courageous generation and she almost like

in this prophetic authoritative tone she spoke right into the heart of gen z and said you are The Are the Courageous Generation. Playcut, 262. You are the courageous generation. That's what you are. All of you. Gen Z, you are the courageous generation. Hear me when I say that. My husband believed that to his core.

That's why he went on campuses. That's why he was trying to reach you. You are the courageous generation. Own it. Make him proud. yeah wow i mean you could hear her repeat repeat repeat she was almost like she wanted to to force their hearts to burst open and believe this thing that charlie believed about them that they are the courageous generation that they really can be a turning point and not to even use the cliche

but like in a real genuine sense we're seeing the signs of life from gen z that we have not seen in a long time that people didn't believe were possible and charlie by sheer force of will and pure action, action, action, offense, offense, went into these college campuses, changed the narrative, 15 billion social media views later helps get President Trump elected. They were part of that. They are part of the solution. I really believe that.

And our job is to keep it going. Erica's job is to keep it going. J.D. Vance's job is to keep it going. And to earn it, by the way, Blake, you know this. Charlie's favorite word in the English language was earn. And Erica talked about that last night. I don't know if you saw that clip. If not, we can play it.

Yeah, she said that a few times. I think, you know, he loved earn because, you know, you're not entitled to anything. He loves the idea of, Charlie lived that out more than anyone. Everything is earned. Everything has worked for. And the most meaningful things are worked for. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, gosh, Charlie, it's funny because, you know, Charlie started off really, really good at a few things. He earned his way to becoming really good at a lot of things. Let's play 261. Charlie loved the word earn. Earn your voice. This is about your legacy.

Each one of you in this room, everyone watching, when you earn your voice and you stand up for what is right, that is a part of your legacy, your family's legacy, just as much as it is part of Charlie's legacy. Don't forget that. Don't ever forget that. Because if there's one thing I've learned, especially being with Charlie for the past seven years, it's that the hope we're looking for is not found in. Washington it's not found in media it's right here all of you this is this is the hope this is the hope the kids in that room i mean just to put it in perspective here by the way and we are going to get to the jd clips but just to put it in perspective there's about 27,000 students at old miss 14,000 of them registered for this event 14,000 that arena held 10,000

So we had over half of the student body at Old Miss registered to come to this event. We had 10,000 students. There was an additional 13,000, hear me again, 13,000 adults that we had our team worked with the Ole Miss PR department to communicate with them and say, please do not come. It's going to be rainy and you can't get in. You're not going to get in. Please don't come. They came anyways.

See this visual of all the people lining up. And it was like miles long. And so, you know, it's raining. It's soggy. They still lined up. Even when we told them you couldn't come, you know, they wanted to see if they get in the standby line, 10,000 people in that arena standing for the entire Erica Kirk speech. They did not sit for the entire speech that Erica gave. And then Erica, of course, brings in J.D. Vance. The vice president of the United States, not an election year, doesn't have to do this. But he takes the questions anyways. Blake, where should we go first? Yeah, there's so many different things he answered, some of them on pretty tough ones. How about we, you know, let's just do, for example, he took a question on people have highlighted, you know, since immigration, H-1Bs, immigration from India has become an issue. And he just confronted, you know, he is himself married to an Indian woman. So let's play a 260. I am married to the daughter of immigrants who came to the United States in the 1980s.

I do believe that some immigrants, many immigrants do in fact enrich the United States of America. but here's the problem. We have got, we don't even know how many illegal aliens we have. We don't even know. The best guess is probably 25, 30 million people. I've heard estimates as high as 50 million. When something like that happens, you've got to allow your own society to cohere a little bit,

to build a sense of common identity for all the newcomers to assimilate, the ones who are going to stay, to assimilate into American culture. Until you do that, you've got to be careful about any additional immigration in my view. Yeah, I mean, he, I love that he went right for it. There was actually, Ushah played a particularly interesting role in some of the questioning, and we can get to some of that, but,

but what stood out to me is that he did not dodge, he did not evade, he answered the question that was asked. He didn't do the PR thing where he, he, he, he sort of pivoted to what he wanted to talk about. Yeah, exactly, yeah. And I think that came through. People were blown away by that. And, and I would just say, people sometimes think that we, screen these questions even when charlie was up there we don't screen them we don't do anything the only screening we had way too many occasionally awkward moments for it to have been screen no exactly we don't screen any of them we just say if you disagree come to the front of the line that's it that's the one rule so you i guess you do screen but you screen for the hardest ones and the ones they try and trip you up with

and jd to his credit he said it on this show when we were at the white house he said i want to do what charlie did i want to just take questions from the audience that's how i'm that's how i'm going to honor Charlie so god bless him for that i just finished watching one of the most powerful new series i've seen in a long time truth and treason now streaming on angel it's the true story of helmuth huberner a teenager in nazi germany who dared to stand against one of the most terrifying regimes in history armed with nothing but a typewriter in the truth he printed anti-nazi leaflets exposing the lies of the third rike he knew the risks he knew it could cost him everything but he did it anyways because when you see tyranny silence is not an option this series

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upset she basically framed the whole question to jd being like listen you guys made us spend our youth. You made us spend our lives believing in the American dream and now you're doing all this stuff to hurt us and harm us. She didn't define what that was. So Jady Vance says, listen, we're not here to say that if the government

made a deal with you and you're here legally, that we're here to take that away. But that doesn't mean in the future, we're just obligated to continue letting in millions and millions of people. There's no like, oh, we have to have forever let in infinite people. And he went through the history of immigration, the

and the flows and the how we used to do it and how assimilation used to be expected of immigrants and then this this girl i presume she's a student at old miss she kept asking follow-up follow-up questions and then she tries to get him on the fact that he's a christian ucia is not a christian yeah so this is going to be two clips two clips two part two part answers here just play it consecutively i think yeah i think we should 285 and then 286 you guys can play them back to back yes my wife did not grow up christian i think it's fair to say that she grew up in a hindoo family but not a particularly religious family in either direction. In fact, when I met my wife, we were both, I would consider myself an agnostic or an atheist, and that's what I think she would have

considered herself as well. You know, everybody has to come to their own arrangement here. The way that we've come to our arrangement is she's my best friend. We talk to each other about this stuff. So we decided to raise our kids Christian. Our two oldest kids who go to school, they go to a Christian school. Our eight-year-old did his first communion about a year ago. That's the way that we have come to our arrangement. Now, most Sundays, Ushah will come with me to church. As I've told her, and I've said publicly, and I'll say now in front of 10,000 of my closest friends, do I hope eventually that she is somehow moved by the same thing that I was moved in by church?

Yeah, I honestly do wish that because I believe in the Christian gospel, and I hope eventually my wife comes to see it the same way. Blake, what should take away from me? I mean, just, when was the last time you saw a public figure just talk about their, their families their personal life like this. It's a very personal thing to answer a question about

and he really just plunged into it gave pretty far seems to me a very forthright answer seems to me too we're so we've gotten it's almost shocking to see just because we've gotten so used to the you know the fake thing

and Nancy Pelosi goes up there and is like as a devout Catholic I know that you know freedom of choice is extremely important that's our usual that's the usual engagement we get on religion from people It's this very, you know, affected piety.

And that definitely didn't come off as affected piety to me. It was it was gutsy. There are going to be people, I imagine, who like take issues with the answer one way or the other. But he just went at it. Man, I totally agree. It's what a personal. It's personal without 10,000 people watching you.

Somebody was like, well, you're dating and on Christian, what you're doing. You know, for him to just do that in front of the world, it shows a tremendous amount of, like, self-confidence and just self-assuredness. And to your point, I mean, I think he's growing and that has grown in that tremendously over the years and we've watched it. And it's really satisfying. I just want to keep going with this gal because it seems like most of the articles I've seen from the left that are trying to attack this answer have been about this particular questioner. There was another questioner that was dating a foreign visa holder, visa, visa holding student. And, you know, they're like, J.D. Vance is going to deport this kid's girlfriend. It was like not at all what he said. It was so funny. But this, but this. Charlie might have said something. like that. No, I know totally. Charlie would be like, well,

needs to get deported, you know. Anyways, let's go ahead and play 254. This is talking about how the fact there's too many people, too many immigrants in the country, and we don't owe it to, you know, we actually owe it to Americans to take care of this generation, our people

first and foremost. That's his job. And I thought was a great answer, 254. When you talk about too many immigrant here, when did you guys decide that number? You are pushing out policies that hurt us. And these policies are not even solving the problems. These policies are just creating chaos.

No, no. Ma'am, okay. So again, I'm going to, I'm going to finish answering the question. There's too many people who want to come to the United States of America, and my job as vice president is not to look out for the interest of the whole world. It's to look out for the people of the United States. Just, I mean, by the way, the crowd erupted that. You heard it in the clip, but it would, like, if you were there, it was almost deafening. The moral clarity of saying, we're going to keep, we're going to take care of our people first. So refreshing.

So refreshing. And you actually heard it articulated in detail in the answers. Yeah. And, man, it just feels great that think about, you know, we're seeing what Charlie built, which is we could hold an event on a college campus and not, you know, it's not at Hillsdale. It's not at, you know, a handful of school. that were very used to being supportive of us. It's a big public university campus and we could pack it full of people

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Did you get stranded out of the public? I had to jump out of my cab and I'm sitting in a hotel lobby with a big sign that says no one may use this lobby unless you're guests in the hotel. So it could have some excitement, some Gotham City excitement coming up with the Friday. Yeah, exactly. Gotham City is where I want to get started actually because. is we have this clip. I saw it earlier this week, and I want to know if it's still holding true. And I believe, here we go.

Yeah, it's 134. You were predicting that there was a little bit of OPA research coming down the pike. So let's play your clip, 134. I informed spidey senses. We're going to see at least one more piece of pretty significant opposition research dropped in this race here at the end that will potentially shake things up. On one of the candidates, of course. On Mondami, I think. Will it have a effect on the outcome?

If it's what I've told it is, it would happen. So, Mark, that was a got a lot of eyeballs across the social media sphere. What is the update? Were we going to see this? It's pretty late in the game. That was basically the, you know, the consensus sort of opinion I was hearing. If they had it, why didn't they release it before? What's the update?

Well, it's a little complicated. First of all, you know, on two-way, we try to be transparent, right? We're not old media where we know secret things that we don't tell our audience. And I was dealing with the source who I trust over years of dealing. And this person said, we have something. We're not sure we're going to be able to put it out because we've got to square the circle and dot the eyes. But we're trying to. And then two things have come out since I said that, which if Mondami were being treated like a normal candidate,

I think would have had a major impact on the race. But the New York Times in particular is covering him like they covered Barack Obama in 2008. It's all about rainbows and special pony as opposed to scrutiny of the frontrunner. So one story was a video that never been out as far as I can tell of Mondami comparing unfavorably the New York City police, he might be the commander of in a few weeks, with the Israeli army, the Israeli military. So that came out. And then another thing came out since then. His mother said that he was not in America.

that he didn't really identify as an American. Both of those things, I think, in a normal race, normal coverage would have been explosive. My source won't tell me if those are the things they were referring to. So there might still be something else, but it's possible that one of those two things, again, which should normally shake up a race to have it, because except for the New York Post and me,

not many people are covering these things. Yeah, I mean, that's a pretty shocking thing to admit. I mean, I think it's something, and Blake, we can bring you in here. Blake Neff is joining us here. you know it's a pretty shocking thing actually for the mother of the mayoral candidate in new york city the the largest greatest city apparently that we have according to to many and for him to basically have a family member his mother say that he doesn't even identify as American here's my thought though on this is that essentially you have about what is it 60 or is it for i

i might be inverting them might be a winning strategy no exactly the new york electorate yeah the new york electorate is essentially, let's say half, because it's either 40 or 60 percent, I'm forgetting off the top of my head, is foreign born. So, these are, this is not necessarily really that American of a city in its present form and demographics. I mean, that's so maybe, maybe this is actually a net ad for him, Mark. It might be. And, you know, the other thing might be a net ad too. He basically said that the idea at the Israeli military laces up the boots of the NYPB and suggests they're both kind of like jack booted. bugs. Again, there'd be some constituency for that. And certainly, this is an unorthodox campaign. You know, I've been referring lately regarding Montgomery to Donald Trump's famous. I could shoot somebody at the Avenue and I wouldn't lose support. What would have to come out about Mondami for the near Times to write a front page story about the frontrunner? What would he have to do? Because when they say, well, his mom said this about him when he was in college. he wasn't in college that long ago he's only 34 so it's not like you know totally ancient history so like i said my source has gone a little dark on me and and and they may there may still be something

else but it's possible that one of those two things were the things they put out and they had the perspective i did which is you think at this point in the campaign they would be concerned about their place in history for failing to scrutinize the frontrunner well it just it just strikes me that what could even you know we have early voting in new york and he has got according to the polls a pretty big lead what even let alone new york times writing about it just what could possibly actually close that gap in the amount of time that's remaining and yeah i kind of feel there might be nothing yeah go ahead mark well well so two very prominent new york top post columnists have come at and said basically andrew corn was a bum but he's our bomb they that they were voting

for flow of cindy adams and michael goodwin And I have seen, again, it's anecdotal, but I have seen and heard from many people, Republicans, who said, I'm just not going to waste my vote on the Republican nominee, Curtis Leewa, I'm going to vote Cuomo. And the bandwagon effect is not nothing, right? If people think if they vote Cuomo, they might be able to stop the socialist mayor who they don't want to see. I also think I'm predicting, I don't know this reporting wise, but I wouldn't, I should, I would say I'm predicting. I wouldn't be surprised if there were robocalls, maybe from Donald Trump and others to Republicans. over the weekend saying don't vote for Curtis, you know, vote for Cuomo because it's the only way to save the city. So if you look at the public opinion polls, you'd say the race is over,

but it's hard to poll this electorate, right? Because as you know, you're trying to pull regular voters, people who vote on a reliable basis. A lot of Mondami supporters wouldn't show up there. So I don't know which way that cuts, but I just know I know there's some volatility here. And Cuomo could get wiped out or it could be quite close. And we're just, just not going to know until Tuesday. And if it is close, or even if it's, you know, as long as Mamdani gets below 50%, where there's the sense if they'd consolidated fully to beat him, I do feel like there's going to be a lot of questions asked, you know, why was there a failure to fully consolidate the field?

And I've heard people complain a lot. There's a lot of pressure that was put on Slewa to drop out and on Republicans to just get behind Cuomo. But I also heard people validly ask, okay, first of all, why is it ever okay to just say, oh, the entire Republican Party has to quit this race because Democrats couldn't get a better, you know, centrist candidate against Mamdani. But also, was anything seriously offered? Like, what was there an incentive given

for Republicans or for Sliwa specifically where you will get this concession? You know, this is going to be a much more conservative Cuomo government than it would be otherwise in order to incentivize the creation of that unified anti-MMdani coalition? I've seen Cuomo now go on with Maria Barteroma on Fox business, things like that.

And Slewa has claimed, correct me if I'm wrong, Mark here, but that somebody offered him $10 million to get out of the race. I haven't heard from a policy standpoint, the concessions, but it does seem like Cuomo is trying to present himself as more of a centrist. He's been hinting at the fact that there is a civil war within the Democrat Party and that he believes that the far-left Democrats, Democrat socialists, like Mamdani, are going to destroy the party. maybe you have more insight for us mark well look quomo is not the most liberal member of the party by any means he's got some very liberal positions on some social issues but he's not he's not a flaming liberal on economics and certainly not as compared to monday so you know elections are about a choice there's three people on the ballot who are trying to become mayor one of them is not going to win is Curtis and I can't why he's staying at he's having the time of his life he was very good in both debates and he's enjoying it so and apparently that's worth more than 10 million

So then if you're a voter, your choices are a guy who's a socialist and inexperienced, and a guy who's deeply flawed and not particularly well liked, but is not a socialist and has a lot of experience. So it's a strange, it's a strange election. And Mondami has not been strong for the last three weeks. He's not strong in the second debate. He's not been strong in interviews. He did a big rally with Bernie Sanders and AOC. Carl Rove has a really interesting comment in Wall Street Journal today about the speech he gave. basically accusing the city of being anti-Muslim.

And he's not closing on like a super skillful mode, where he's been most of the campaign. Who knows, who knows how voters will relate to that. But I think, I think the key thing is Curtis's vote. If Curtis Leeuah, who's the Republican nominee, if his vote total is below 10, I think more than can win. But some recent polls have him closer to 20 than to 10. Yeah, well, I was about to say, throw up 274.

this is emerson college recent poll where it has mom dani at 50 percent and then if you add up quomo and slywa you're just at 46 percent with 5 percent undecided i suppose if all the undecided's broke uh for quomo and slywa got out maybe they could combine the vote consolidate the vote and actually pull ahead but this is like you know what i perceive is going on when you're talking about this new tone from mom dana in the closing uh weeks of the race here mark is that it's sort of a mask-off moment. He thinks he's got this thing in the bag, and he's reverting to a deeper, more personal held beliefs, you know, that he's going full grievance politics about Islam and his family and 9-11 and all this stuff.

That's the best analysis of the race I've heard from anybody in Arizona in a long time. Exactly. Exactly right. The way you just said, it's exactly right. And I've talked in increasingly people who are unsettled by the chances, by the prospects of his being there, not even because of his issue positions. They just find his manner to be strange. And we'll see if he does win, if he makes an effort to unify the city. I do worry, not in the short term, less about his policies. So I still think he's going to have trouble implementing a lot of this stuff he's proposing

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What do you make of it? The phenomenal event. And I said to people today about it is forget their issue positions, forget what we think about. that turning point or what you think about the Trump administration, those were just two extraordinary performers, skillful on their feet, emotional in a positive way, clever, just the whole thing. And I keep warning these Democrats who are dismissive to J.D. Vance, this guy is maybe he's not in Trump's league or Bill Clinton's league as a political athlete, but he is damn good and getting better. And the two of them together was quite powerful. And I thought, I thought, what I said on

two way this morning is everyone should watch that if you have to watch go watch the whole thing because you'll learn a lot about what's going on in this country you'll learn a lot about the political futures of those of those potential of the political futures of those two marquee performers yeah i think it's you know something we commented on before you joined us mark was just how much i mean we saw jd early and he was good and we and charlie saw it early and he predicted just how good he was going to be but we've seen jd grow leaps and bounds And I would even say since Charlie's assassination, you've seen J.D. blossom in this whole new way with authority and just, just a strength of moral clarity. I mean, it's, I don't think we've seen the final evolution of just where he's going to land on this because every time he speaks, it's like it's new. It's more powerful. It's better. Blake, I'm going to throw it to you. You got a question.

Yeah. So, Mark, a big thing that's been a topic on the right, especially online, but also in. right wing publications is this Arctic Frost investigation that the FBI conducted under the Biden administration. And now we're getting more details about it, which it's showing, you know, the Biden administration subpoenaed people. It monitored phones. It was looking into a lot of these groups. Tyler Boyer. And, you know, including our friend Tyler. And, you know, we were discussing how the, you know, the press is, well, the New York Times cover Mamdani. Well, now we have a lot of conservatives are aggrieved where they're saying the major press is not covering Arctic Frost in any way. There's no articles about it and they believe it should be a much bigger issue now you're good at offering a

lot of perspective on these sorts of things so do you believe this is something where they have a good grievance or do you believe this is something where they're fixating on something and blowing it up to more than it really is well well i didn't cover it this morning on the morning meeting and i've heard from many people as well look this needs to be looked into special counsels are really dangerous to liberty because their whole mandate their whole reason to be is to investigate people and indict people. And so we always have to worry, particularly now when it involves members of Congress, so that's a co-equal branch.

And we don't want any executive branch going after members of Congress is in the subpoena power and the threat of prosecution and prosecution. So those are dangers of 101 that we need to look at. In this case, I urge everybody to wait a little bit more for the facts. When they say people were investigated or spied on, that's those fancy words for, They were investigated under a lawful mandate by the independent counsel. So the fact that they look at the phone metadata on its face is not, it's not a violation of constitutional rights if it was authorized and it seems to have been.

So I'm all for the press looking at it, Congress should look at it. There needs to be full disclosure. But people shouldn't jump on the word spying to imbue it with something it doesn't necessarily mean. Well, and it's, you know, you've got Senator Cruz calling for the House. to impeach Judge Bowsberg, who is involved in the authorization of this I would call it spine, but whatever the word we want to use. Because it was authorized, your point, you make a good point. It does fall within the legal parameters of our system,

and so we've got to wait for the facts to come in. But was the case corrupted? Was there political bias that was injected to it? I mean, all those stuff we need to get to the bottom of it. You need to know. Because here's the thing. Tyler Boyer has been targeted, harassed, harassed, uh, prosecuted because of, you know, what happened in the aftermath of 2020.

And they used that to spy on turning point USA, turning point action. So yeah, we got a dog in this fight, Mark. So we're probably going to be a little more fiery than you and I understand the difference here. Here, I want to, I want to finish our conversation. We got about two minutes left here, Mark. Again, you're seeing which way the winds are blowing, you know, we had rich bearers, people's pundit, and he's, he's done some polling on this that shows that people are fatigued with international foreign policy, all the Israel talk, all the Russia talk. And while Trump's putting up wins, peace deals, that sort of thing. He was meeting with G yesterday.

So he's making good progress, but people want to focus on domestic issues. We're starting to see these layoffs with AI, the entry-level jobs seem to be drying up to some extent. It's going to impact Gen Z. Which way are the winds blowing, Mark? How is Trump doing? Where are we going? make sense of it, 30,000-foot view, a minute and a half to you, Mark.

Well, the economy is often talking about it's a political issue, but it's more than that, of course, first and foremost, it's about the real lives of real people. What's the Trump theory of the case in the economy? Less regulation, more energy production and distribution, low prices, and then using tariffs to try to get America as stronger place in the world. These are his ideas. It's quite clear what the centerpiece is. will it work? I think voters will want to see it working, maybe not perfect in perfection,

but will it work by the midterm elections when Republicans around the country are going to want to run on the Trump dance economic record? That matters most, not just because, you know, pollsters say voters care about the economy. That's the real lives of real people, but much less remote than what's happening in Gaza or what's happening in Ukraine. So I think there's a theory of the case there. We have to see if it works. We've had presidents who are economically successful and ones who weren't, and I think it hangs in the balance now. for Scott Bassett, the vice president, the president. Are they going to be an economically successful set of policies or not?

Well, you know what we haven't brought up here, Mark, which strikes me is the government shutdown. We're on day 30 of it. It does have an economic impact, but it also has the snap impact. You know, there's a lot of headwinds here, plus this AI revolution that's drying up a lot of these entry-level jobs. And, you know, I happen to agree with President Trump's theory of the case, but, you know, this could be an interesting confluence of just bad timing with some of, you know the AI boom and I do believe I'm a glass half full guy I do think eventually these things are going to shake themselves out in the mix and we're going to we're going to have new industries that pop up new jobs that emerge but in the short term it's going to it could be painful

so you know we're going to see all that all this goes Mark Halperin sir thank you my friend good to see you guys thank you for having me on good to see about for more on many of these stories and news you can trust go to charliekirk.com Thank you.