The Charlie Kirk Show - "We Always Lived as if it Was Our Last Day" — Erika Kirk and Megyn Kelly LIVE

Episode Date: November 30, 2025

In an on-stage event with Megyn Kelly in Glendale, Arizona, Erika discusses the history of her relationship with Charlie from the beginning, the challenge of going through "firsts" after loss, and why she is confident in TPUSA's ability to carry out her husband's undying vision. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Let me ask you a question that my friends who have lost somebody say is the right question. How are you doing today? Well, we talked about earlier this week how it was an emotional week for me. The firsts are always so interesting because the first are either, like, your first date, you know, your first kiss, your first, and then with loss, it's like the first birthday, the first holiday. You know it was Erica's birthday this week. Yeah. Yeah. Happy birthday.

It was yours too, wasn't it? Yeah. There you go. Happy birthday, too. Thank you. this is our birthday celebration together you guys are all just happening to be here while we have coffee but every day's different i let's sing happy birthday we sang to you last night i saw that poso was so sweet sorry two nights ago why don't keep may we happy birthday to you

Happy birthday, dear Erica, happy birthday to you. Many more. I told myself I wasn't going to cry. Hard not to. So this was the first one. And you're right. And we're back to go into a season of first, which is always challenging. And I know you can relate to this because you lost your father at a really young age.

every day is different but I am so grateful that my husband he's hand-selected the village that surrounds me now you know he built Turning Point USA yes and it's a machine yes but he handpicked all of the people that not only run the organization but that were within our orbit our closest orbit the people that he loved and he trusted so much that he knew without a shadow of a doubt if something happened to him,

that they would step up and they would be filled with the Holy Spirit and they would do what he knew they were born to do. And they wouldn't be afraid. They wouldn't cower. They would take on the mission that he had instilled in them. And so to be able to have that chosen family in that village that he helped literally handpicked, I could not do a fraction.

of a fraction. They've been amazing. Turning Point is in such good hands. Yes, obviously with you as the CEO, but the team that you have around you, all of whom I've met, are good and decent and loving people who adored Charlie. They loved him. Loved him.

Let's go back before we get into your relationship with him and your future to you. I think people are very curious about you. I think they want to know more about you. So I know that obviously you were Ms. Arizona. Jonah. Hello? Nicely done. It's a very, very top selection. And that you were a businesswoman in New York

when you first got interested in turning point. So what were you doing in New York? So to go back a little bit further, I mean, right now, first and foremost, I'm a daughter to the king, for the most high. That's the most important title, if you will. And my husband, my husband, in August, before all this happened, he had a event where he had some donors at, and one of the first questions they asked was, God forbid, if something happens to you, like, what would happen next to turning point? And Charlie made a really interesting point. He said, companies, you know, Example, Apple, Macintosh, he said their founder-led. He said, but what I have built is, well, one day, if I'm not around, be vision-led.

And he had made mention at the end, like, you know, Erica will do a great job running it. And when I watched that video this week, it really put into perspective my youth, and what I went through growing up and what I witnessed, you know, my mom having her own company and being a single mother and watching her be the blueprint of, you know, I'm not afraid of raising my children alone because I saw my mom do that. I'm not afraid of being a CEO because I saw my mom do that. The only thing that I fear to be fully transparent with you is being out of the alignment of God's will because I feel like that is a very dangerous position to be in. And so for me, growing up, when I was in New York, it was one of those moments where I really

trusted God. That's where I needed to be. I prayed on it at first because originally I was living in L.A. And I said, Lord, if this is where you need me to be, make it so clear. I bought a one-way ticket to New York. One suitcase, my mom was like, what are you going to do when you're there. I was like, I'll figure it out once I get there. I just know that's where the Lord needs me. And so many people question that. They said, you're such a strong Christian. Why would you go to such a dark city? And I said, the more that you take the light out of a dark place, the darker it gets. So that's where I'm going. And I was there. And yeah, but when I moved to New York, my brother said, why would you want to move to New York? And I said, it's the big city

of dreams. And he said, scary, nasty, wake up in the middle of the night screaming dreams. So I get it. Right. So you were working in New York for a while, and then you went back to Arizona to apply for the turning point job? So I was in New York. I was a casting director. I was assigned with a modeling agency. I had just gotten my real estate license three months prior to meeting Charlie.

And rewind a little bit. I went to Turning Points office opening. for their first building. And Tyler, he runs turning point action now. And he said, you need to meet the CEO. I said, okay, great. Met him very quickly. Shook his hand, said, hi, nice to meet you.

Neither of us thought anything of it. Looking back now, he apparently sat down with Tyler and said, we need to hire her. And he goes, mm-hmm. And he's like, where does she live? And Tyler said New York. He's like, okay, I'm going to have a Fox News hit, and then I'm going to sit down with her and interview her in New York. So lo and behold, he comes to Manhattan. And I thought, I was so career-minded. My mother raised me to, and this is why I can relate a lot to the Manhattan mindset of a lot of young women where it's career-oriented. Because my mom used to tell me, don't feel like you need to rely on a man for life and work. And so my mindset, my healthy marriage example was my grandparents.

But my mindset was career, career, career. When I met Charlie, the only reason I sat down with him because I thought it was a consulting position for work, I was not thinking, I did not date in Manhattan. I saw the pits of hell of the dating pool through my roommates, and I was not touching that with any longest pole you can imagine. I stayed far away from the dating pool in Manhattan. So I viewed it as, obviously, the job interview that it was supposed to be, and the Lord knew.

I just, Charlie, in some way, similar to how, you know, he sees things in a lot of people in some way beautifully saved me from a huge mistake of putting career over family and career over husband because it's easy to do when as a female when you see bright lights big city but he

the Lord used him the Lord used him how long did it take you to fall in love with him he that's the funny thing is it was, it's so interesting because when we were sitting there, I fell in love with how brilliant he was to be able to articulate what he believed in. And when he said, I'm not going to hire you, I'm going to date you. I knew that was the Lord because there were so many times where I said, my future husband that's out there, he will literally,

It will be the only reason why I look up is because the Lord says to look up, and that was something to look up to when someone's like, I'm going to date you. And so I just, but honestly, it was the constant consistency of, I'm here for you, you know, the little texts in the morning, and then it just continued to grow in a beautiful way. So yes, love at first sight, yes, obviously. But again, my mindset wasn't there.

His was. So you think of it, you're in an interview, you have to totally do a 180 of a mindset. But I honestly, where like the depths of the love started was when we were playing basketball together at the gym, just shooting around together. By the time we saw that video where he introduced you as his fiancé, and the two of you were staring at each other. Oh, I was upset. I'm still obsessed with him. Not break your gaze. I mean, that's, I think as the kids would say, hashtag goals for virtually everybody who wants.

loving their life. So you did get married. Yes. You have two kids. Two precious babies. And you told me this in private, but how many kids did you guys want to have? We wanted to have four. Yeah. And I was praying to God that I was pregnant when he got murdered. Oh, wow. I thought of that once, just like whether it was meant to be or whether we'd I know. We'd get news like that. I was like, oh, goodness, that would be the ultimate blessing out of this catastrophe. So now when I see young couples, I tell them, please, like, don't put it off.

Especially if you're a young woman, don't put it off. You can always have a career. You can always, you know, go back to work. You can never just go back to having children, and they grow. so fast and so quickly, but I just, I was praying. Both of us were, we were really excited to just expand our family. Thank God you have the two. I know. Thank God. You know, I know. One day they'll find out right now, they're just, you know, little loves. And one day they'll find out that they're Charlie Kirk's children and they'll know what that means.

We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries, and today I want to point you to their podcast. It's called Culture and Christianity, the Alan Jackson podcast. What makes it unique is Pastor Allen's biblical perspective. He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're facing today, gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge, Trump and the White House, issues in the church. He doesn't just discuss the problems. In every episode, he gives practical things we can do to make a difference. His guests have incredible expertise and powerful testimonies. They've been great friends. And now you can hear from Charlie in his own words. Each episode will make you recognize the power of your faith and how God can use your life

to impact our world today. The Culture and Christianity podcast is informative and encouraging. You could find it on YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss any episodes. Alan Jackson Ministries is working hard to bring biblical truth back into our culture, you can find out more about Pastor Allen and the ministry at Alanjaxson.com forward slash Charlie. I wanted to ask you, Erica, because you are so faithful, whether you had any premonition that something was going to happen to Charlie. I really do see you as connected more so than the average, than the rest of us,

to God. And I just wondered, did you have any sort of a feeling? we always, we, see, the thing is, is that I guess we just operate differently. We always knew there were threats. We always knew that there were people out there that hated us with deep, deep passion of hate. But it didn't scare us. Never, he was never afraid of that. Neither was I.

Obviously, we protect our children. You know, we don't show their faces on the Internet, so that's very intentional. but I think we lived our life in such a way where if that was our last day, it was our last day. Like we always lived as if it was the last day. That's why Charlie's speeches were so good, because he didn't know if that was going to be his last speech. And he was so intentional about every word, every word had a meaning. and every speech had a connection point for the students and for whoever he was speaking to,

and that's why he never missed the opportunity to weave the gospel into what he was saying. Yes, that's what made him so much more powerful than the rest of us. If you see the difference between Charlie Kirk and many of the right-wing pundits or commentators, it's that he supercharged the message that the rest of us were saying with biblical references, with faith-based wisdom, which made it 10 times more powerful, and people knew it.

It's one of the things we're all missing right now. But to answer your question, you know, we always knew there were threats. We always knew that that could be a possibility, but obviously, you know, but we never lived in fear of when that day would be. We just trusted the Lord every day. you know now of course in the wake of charlie's death many are living under threat i mean the the nutcases have gotten very loud and emboldened and i just wonder whether it was the kind of threat like environment that you needed to actually worry that something could happen or was it

just the din of like there are haters out there you get these nutcase letters sometimes you know was it something like no it's actually getting really serious and we need to worry or was it just the din of like, no, I mean, you would see, obviously leading up to that, there was several shootings, there was several individuals with guns on campus, so you knew that the threat was there and things were starting to heat up. But again, it wasn't anything that, you know, you would think any different. No, no. I know that the morning he died, he went back in your room, he had slept in your daughter's room because he got up in the middle of the night and she got up in the middle of the night and she got up

in the middle of there was a switcher room. We've all been there. Yeah. But he came back into your room and he got his necklace and he got his wedding ring, right? And his necklace had a cross on it and it had St. Michael's Medal. Yeah. I wear it every day. It's really yeah. Wow. Oh, it's so beautiful. Yeah. And Erica, I help me understand. I, I genuinely don't understand. I've asked Frank Turek this. I've asked everyone I can ask this question. I don't understand how you can be wearing your cross and your St. Michael's Medal and be shot to death. I feel, as Charlie felt, that that's armor. You know, we wear that to protect us and we believe God will protect us. How have you squared that?

The Lord is so powerful and we're not meant to understand all of his ways. but there's mercy in that knowing that God uses evil for good I don't know what exactly that is but I do know that the Lord will use it and if that means revival the Lord I told people I said I have never found more comfort

in the statement that I will be done Explain that. Why? Because it shows that control is an absolute illusion. The Lord knows the number of hairs on our head, and he knows the number of our days. And that's why Charlie was so intentional of making sure everyone knew that their role in life was so important, and that you guys are all the missing puzzle piece to, to this whole story, and we used to explain it when we would have dinner sometimes about how when you look at a tapestry, on one side you see all of these hanging threads.

It doesn't make any sense. They're all different colored threads all over the place. But when you turn that tapestry around, you see how beautifully woven together and how intentional every thread is to that tapestry. And, yes, I fully believe that you put on the full armor of God every single day. I mean, henceforth, all of my bracelets and rings, like, everything has meaning to me. And that's why I always wear my bracelets, always wear my rings, always wear my necklaces. And it's one of those things where we will never understand God's ways fully.

were not meant to. We wouldn't be, our mortal brains would not be able to even compute what he has designed and put together. But what I do know is that the Lord spoke through Charlie in so many ways. And I still feel so deeply connected. him. And I know that the Lord used such evil to bring about something that will eventually come to good. It's already started. I've seen it. I am a big believer in signs. You know, I think when you lose somebody, if you ask for signs, do you guys believe in the signs? Have you gotten any from him? You know, it's so interesting.

When we first started dating, this is personal, but I share it only because maybe it'll be a sign for you to know that Charlie's with you in something. When we first started dating, we would walk, we were walking to dinner

one night, and this happened a lot. The lights would start to flicker. And he'd look up at the light and be like, you know, it's so weird, this happens to me a lot. And I was like, really? He's like, yeah. So our whole dating and whole marriage, anytime we'd be a room and a light started to flicker, he would just look at me and wink. It was like our little thing. It's a total frequency thing.

And so the night everything happened when we were in Utah, I was in a hotel room by myself and the bedroom portion by myself. And the bathroom light was on, and it just was a strobe light all night. just flat. And I was like, part of me couldn't sleep because it was a strobe light. The other part of me couldn't sleep because of how just my world has just crumbled and the other part of me couldn't sleep because I was like, baby, I feel you. I know you're here. So that was, you know, some signs. But another sign, too, is just my daughter, you know, just saying little things. And like, I see you. Is she starting to get it? Yes and no.

We talk about heaven. I make it really exciting. I tell her, Daddy had so much fun today. Everyone who has written letters and sent gifts to my children, thank you. I tell her, my son, he's only a year and a half, but I tell both of them. Daddy is telling all of his friends to send you gifts and letters. and, you know, Daddy is orchestrating from heaven to make sure that you always feel so loved. And the other day, she was like, tell me about Daddy's Day in Heaven.

So just we talk about that at night. And then sometimes I'll say, well, tell me what you think he did in heaven today. And we just, I just try to make it exciting because it is, it is, heaven is, heaven is our home. And so I just want her to know that Daddy is having so much fun and building a place for her and our family in heaven. How do you... Yeah. I know that you haven't watched the video

and you shouldn't watch the video and you don't want the kids to watch the video. Yeah. But how are you going to handle it when they get older, Erica, and they start to learn about the haters, right? Because there does have to come the time where that needs to be put in the proper perspective. Charlie was so tough.

He was hard to get him rattled about these attacks. But, and I can speak to this, having my own children, two of whom are backstage. You know, there comes a time where you have to sort of help your kids understand the terrible negative messages that are out there about someone they deeply love. Have you thought about that at all?

Like how you're going to walk them into that? You know, I first and foremost want my children to have a childhood. So that's another reason why I don't put them on the Internet. It's another reason why I don't expose them to certain screen time. I've said it before, some of the shows. The only shows it would watch is Charlie, Bob Ross, because he has a very nap-inducing voice. and then, you know, every now and then it would be some of Charlie's events.

But I want them to be children first, and I want to teach them so much about God and Jesus so that when they do get older and they do see the hate, they also understand how much good is still out there. And they also understand that they could be the antidote to the evil. And they can pray for those people and not be afraid. I'd never want them to be afraid. But I want them to also see that that evil is because they or their parents or their loved ones is actually doing something to make a difference.

Because if you're not getting attacked or slandered or whatever else out there, you're just looking a lot like the rest of the world. and I would want them to know that that's okay. You know, I have been called so many names. I have been slandered and none of that means anything to me. It's all just noise. It's really been crazy. No, it's unbelievable.

Watching people turn on you has been one of the most unexpected, strange, terrible things since you died. And I know what, Megan, and I know you get this because you have a very, you have a thick skin and a soft heart the thing is is that the more that people and it gets outlandish more and more crazy as time goes on because there's just a void that apparently needs to be filled

but I'm okay with the world not understanding me I'm okay with that I'm okay with they you know I I don't want to look like the world

as Christians were called to be in the world, not of it. And if they could understand me, then I'm not doing something right. That's well said. We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries, and today I want to point you to their podcast. It's called Culture and Christianity, the Alan Jackson podcast. What makes it unique is Pastor Allen's biblical perspective.

He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're facing today, gender, confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge, Trump and the White House, issues in the church, he doesn't just discuss the problems. In every episode, he gives practical things we can do to make a difference. His guests have incredible expertise and powerful testimonies. They've been great friends, and now you can hear from Charlie in his own words. Each episode will make you recognize the power of your faith and how God can use your life to impact our world today.

The Culture and Christianity podcast is informative and encouraging. You could find it on YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss any episodes. Alan Jackson Ministries is working hard to bring biblical truth back into our culture. You can find out more about Pastor Allen and the ministry at Alanjaxon.com forward slash Charlie. Forgive me. Did you see people didn't understand the hug that you and J.D. had? They went to the weirdest places, Erica. Oh my gosh. You guys, please. So for those of you who know,

I never, I'm a very, I love, I hug is like, you're an intense huger, it's awesome. Whoever is like hating on a hug needs a hug themselves. I will give you a free hug anytime you want to hug. My love language is touch, if you will. But seriously, that hug, so I will give you a play by play. Walking, they just played the emotional video. I'm walking over. He's walking over.

I'm starting to cry. He says he's so proud of it. of you, and I say, God bless you, and I touch the back of his head. Anyone who have I have hugged that I have touched the back of your head when I hug you, I always say, God bless you. That's just me. If you want to take that out of context, go right ahead. Again, that to me shows that you need a hug more than anyone else.

So if anyone... They were acting like you touched the back of his ass. I feel like I wouldn't get as much hate if I did that versus... Because, but no, seriously, so now when I go and hug people, I'll bring them back in and be like, I obviously didn't give you the right hug. Like, come, let me touch the back of your head. I don't know what to do with my hands. Can't touch the head? What can I touch?

I know. Not me. I'm always like, if you touch the back of my head, I'm like, oh, she's feeling the extensions. That's another thing. People think my hair is fake. It is very real. My hairstylist told me your hair is real. She was like, oh, no, that's all real.

This is real. I've had some women. They, like, come and touch the back of my head. I'm like, what are you doing? They're feeling for the weave. They're patting the weave. I know. How is that real?

Have you just been growing it out your whole life? We want to know. My mother, okay, so I was, I loved sports growing up. I was the, I started playing basketball when I was five. My first coach, he was Charles Barkley, of all people. which is amazing to have as your five-year-old YMCA coach. Good to see you with your little Charles Barkley doll. No, it was great.

He's an awesome man. His daughter was a dear friend. And so I loved sports. And my mom, I was swimming all the time. I was always super active. And since my mom worked, I was always at the Boys and Girls Club. Always. And I was the last kid to get picked up from the Boys and Girls Club every single day.

poor counselor or whatever you want to call them that had to stand with me at waiting for my mom to pick me up every day. I loved sports. I loved basketball so much. It was such a good escape for me as a child. And I remember my hair from swimming was so ratted because I have very coarse hair and my mom hated combing my hair. And so her solution was a bowl cut straight across traumatizing. To this point, my hairdresser knows when we get a trim, it is literally like a fraction of my hair. I will never have hair shorter than my shoulders. Charlie loved my hair, though. He just

loved how long it was. So what you're saying is you have long, thick, coarse hair that takes you a while to grow out and take care of, and you're not black or named Michelle Obama. Which is fascinating. That can happen. With all the conspiracy theories out there, I'm not going to touch that one either. Hopefully you haven't been paying too much attention to the news cycle, but they know what I'm talking about. No, but my hair, to get back to that is something that I just, I'm not going to cut it. I'm not going to, you know. Charlie liked it long, right?

He liked it long, and here we are. But my mom, if you ask my mom, she'll tell you, it's when she grew up from the standpoint of a Lebanese Italian background, and you're supposed to shave your kid's head when they're two, and then it's supposed to grow back really thick after that. I was a product of the shaved head, so if you would like to try that on your two-year-old, unsolicited advice. Does it work on the 55, you're right? I have no idea. You guys tell me. I don't know. I'm going to try? You know, you raise the issue of the girls... If you see us a shaved head by December, you know why.

Oh, yeah. We all look like Britney Spears. The headline, well, they went full skinhead. Right. Yeah. And are listening to Nick Quintos. That's the last thing. That'll be, yeah.

It's a no. It's a no. Yeah. While we're on the subject, because you really were a very strong female athlete, can I ask you your position on that? Because... Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Like, because this is obviously a dominant thing. We had Megan Rapino in the news just this week saying people are, they don't really mean they don't actually have an objection to men playing in women's sports. They're just using it, like, as an issue. She made all her money. She's sitting pretty, but she wants your daughter to play against boys. Your thoughts on it. So, well, you can take this as a twofold.

So if you're looking at it from the sports angle where you're playing up against men, I mean, I know this has been said before, then what's the point of female sports. But to me, being an, I played in college, I worked so hard for that scholarship. I knew my strengths as a point guard. I hated driving the lane, always.

I always shot the three. That was like my thing. I'm not driving to have someone who's like six, seven, just pat, this is not happening. Oh, she said it. So for me, sports has a very special place in my heart, but as a mom now and watching my daughter compete, it's just, I know they say, you know, life isn't fair. I get that. Life's not fair.

But there's certain things that are really special. And women's sports is one of them. And it's really, some people look down on it. Some people think it's not it. But, you know, those girls have worked so hard for their position. And to have it taken away from them by someone who couldn't rank in their own sport and field. It's demoralizing. And it also weighs on the whole topic of being a woman, being proud to be a woman,

being proud to be a strong female athlete. And I wouldn't want that taken away from anybody. That's right. Having the glorious chance of accomplishment. I mean, we'll never win if we're playing against biological boys. We'll never have that glorious feeling of crossing the finish line first or being the one who has the game winning shot because it's always going to go to a man. It's just one of the basic things.

We always talk about the unfairness of it and the same. safety of it. But just think about that, like the glorious feeling of winning, which I never had because I wasn't an athlete. But you had it. I don't know. I feel like politics somewhat is form of an athletic feat. So it's... You know, I had it like when Don Lemon got fired. Charlie's coming out with a book. He's coming out with a book. Stop in the name of God, which is a great title. Stop in the name of God. And what is it about? Took him a year and a half to write it. In this book, I mean, when I'm reading it, I'm like, I did not even know you knew that. It is so powerful, overarching theme of it is the power of honoring the Sabbath and the important of rest.

And reading this, and I even brought one of his journals with me to read out of it because the thing that's so interesting about reading this book and reading this journal, and I know a lot of you that are Christians will understand this, they tell you that when you read, the Bible, it's the living word of God, and it is. And you see the Lord in Technicolor when you read the Bible and you actually understand those words. And so for me, reading Charlie's journals and reading this book, it's like he's, I mean, he's still, he's present with the Lord, but it feels like he's still fully here. And that's, and that that's what's so powerful about this book. And I watched him as a wife completely transform into an already, I mean, he was already

amazing and incredible, but I totally elevated him when he was honoring the Sabbath and when he really took that seriously, that time to rest seriously. And I just can't help but things. Like everything, and to go to your point of signs, I don't think anything is by coincidence. but to have this be his last book and to him totally master what it means to rest with the Lord, it's all for us full circle now because it's the ultimate Sabbath where he is right now.

When did you get to read it? When? Yeah. As much as I can, driving into the office or... No, but I mean, was it written in its entirety before Charlie died? Yes, it was. Yes, it was. He finished writing this, I believe, in June or July.

of this year. So you had read it. But to read it in a book format and not an email format that he would send me is night and day difference, yeah. What are the pages that are folded over? Well, all of them are amazing, but the one that I wanted to read

was the part about sleeping because Charlie, his adrenaline was always going and it was very hard for him to turn his brain off at night, henceforth snacks at like 2 a.m. Did you tell me olives and bananas? Not together, not together, but it was like even snacking in a healthy manner. Almonds, yeah. Also, we do have to discuss the fact that you said he only had mint chocolate chip ice cream once a year.

Twice. His birthday and Fourth of July and his birthday, right? And no ice cream any other day? His self-control and self-discipline was phenomenal. And to the point, too, where when I was pregnant, 70% of the reason, reason why no one saw me when I was pregnant was because of this situation. The other 30% was because I just was with my babies. But 70% of it was, I'm really hungry. I think I, should I have a milkshake? Baby, get that milkshake. But I don't know if I should have that milkshake. You need

the milkshake. I'm going to go and get you that milkshake. Do you want a hot foot Sunday, too? I'm going to get that in and out burger? No questions. I'll be right back. Animal style. So he'd come home. He loved it because he loved driving around at night. So he'd come home. He loved driving around at night, so he'd come home with the in-and-out burger, animal style, protein-style, whatever, mixed in with the hot fudge sundae, the chocolate shake, and he would be so excited to give it to me and watch me eat it. But that was because he was living vicariously through me. So no joke, I got to, like, 190 pounds.

I was like, I am literally going to weigh more than you by the end of this pregnancy, and he'd be like, baby, you look great. You look, don't worry about that. That's just baby weight. I mean, granted, it does go away. It takes a lot of work. He said they're eating his olives? No, no, he's just watching me.

And I'm like, I will enjoy this hot fudge Sunday while you wish that you could have. But he was so self-disciplined and he was so good about eating. He was, biohacking was his love language of being healthy, eating clean. He could not operate on fast food the way that he was in general. Like, that's why he never drank. That's why he never, it wasn't from, you know, a motive of I'm better than whoever. It was from the motive of, I need to operate as if, I'm going to war every single day, and I can't operate on this type of food.

And speaking of the sleep, that's very... No, right. So the sleep was important because I was like, he loved his sleep, and something that I was very intentional about is when he came home, I would always let him sleep in, always, on the weekends. I would take the kids, go for a walk, whatever it took, and I would want him to wake up when it was time to wake up, because I knew how important rest was for him. And so when I read this in the book, it was on my heart to share it with you because the title of it says, Jesus slept, Elijah slept, and so can you.

And he said, so start tonight, close the laptop, power down the phone, let the dishes wait, pull the shades, dim the lights, and give your body permission to do what it was created to do, to rest. Let your bed become an altar of trust As your head touches the pillow And whisper to God I release it all to you You don't need to check one more email You don't need to prove anything You don't need to carry the weight of the world

It already has a savior And it's not you Sleep is not a distraction from your purpose It is part of your purpose It is a sacred rhythm that restores your mind Heels your body and quiets your soul The Sabbath is your weekly reminder that you are not a machine. You are a beloved child. And children sleep well when they know their

father is near. So go ahead. Embrace the gift. Make your Sabbath a day not just of rest, but of sleep. Deep, joyful, and replenishing sleep, you're allowed. And more than that, you're invited. Rest isn't weakness. It's worship. And tomorrow will be better because you trusted God enough to rest today. Wow. He was keeping the Sabbath. He was. So with that, since today is his Sabbath, I wanted to read to you from his journal. Oh, wow, is that it right there?

Yeah. Wow. In his handwriting. A note that he wrote to himself to honor the Sabbath. He said, Dear Lord, thank you for a wonderful week. week. Thank you for your endless protection and provision. Father God, thank you for your mercy and grace. Lord, I did better this week, despite the challenges of travel. I miss my wife. It's hard to be away from her for a few days. Thank you for giving us a roadmap of what it means to be obedient and put

Christ first. Lord, I have realized the following. The battle against the mind is Satan's playground. He dwells and prows to destroy. The more in alignment we walk in your command and teachings, the more joy and blessing we experience. Lord, thank you for showing us the way, the truth, and the life. Thank you for blessing our organization. I pray for resolution amongst the divides that Satan is attempting. Lord, we pray for blessing. for the people who feel they have been wronged. Father God, we ask for your guidance, wisdom, and direction,

your comfort and your healing. We love you, Lord. Thank you for another Sabbath, C.K. Wow. Erica, I know you touched on it earlier, but one of the reactions I have to hearing that is like, I get angry. How can that man have been taken? How he was all goodness. The left who are bastardizing his memory have no idea what they're talking about. Charlie was all goodness. I know we can't understand God's plan, but have you had bouts of

anger, you know, I think about what the kids are going to miss, what you got jipped out of what poor Charlie now is going to miss, and I feel angry. Sadness, of course, obviously, but yes, against the accused shooter, but just, I know you

don't ever feel angry against God, but I kind of do. I understand. How do you make sense of that? And do you have any anger when you think about it, not towards the Lord, but in general? the enemy would love for me to be angry he would love it

because it would distract me from building what Charlie entrusted to me raising our babies turning point being there for the team being there for what the future holds and if I had any amount of anger in my heart and spirit the Lord would not be able to use me

and every single day just how Charlie did stood on stage he would say here I am Lord use me and if I had that anger in my heart that foothold from the enemy he wouldn't be able to I know at Charlie's memorial right across the way here there was that extraordinary moment where you forgave his accused killer

and I mean I looked and I said that's the most powerful strongest thing I've ever seen anybody do in my life and then somebody helped me understand because I thought I could never do it I could never do it and somebody said to me forgiveness is an action not an emotion and I was like okay that's getting me closer

to feeling like I could do it if I don't actually have to feel loving in my heart toward the person. But I wonder, like, how do you, if you could say something to him, if you could, like, if you say something to his parents, like, what would it be? Would it be anger?

Would it be sympathy? What would it be? It's a good question. It wouldn't be, it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be sympathy. It wouldn't be anger. How do you put this? Anything that I could ever wish upon him or that family

would pale in comparison of the justice of God. And so I would look at them almost like, I'm so glad I'm not you. I am so glad I'm not you. And I pray that, you know, you figure out a way to be right with the Lord, but our God is sovereign, but he's also very just. We serve a very just-filled God. So I really have nothing to say to any of them. Yeah, nor do you need to.

I never. You mentioned in your remarks at Charlie's funeral that pointed out the irony that the accused shooter is exactly the kind of person who Charlie meant to help. Yes. And that's kind of what he dedicated his life to doing. is trying to reach disaffected young men who had been forgotten by a system

or worse than forgotten remembered and told that they're terrible and to blame for everything. And those messages for years now have really materially seriously affected the health and mental well-being of a generation of young men who need turning point.

And so that's a huge responsibility for you. It's not just, oh, we have a great political organization and it's a really big thing and people love it, you actually have to go about the business of saving an entire generation in particular of young men, but young women too. How are you going to do that? I mean, I think everybody wants to know without Charlie, how are you going to do that? A few things.

First, Charlie would say, I want to save the lost boys of the West. that was on his he had a to-do list and that was on the top point of the to-do list that he had he has that piece of paper still on his desk at his office but what's so powerful about all of this

is that Charlie was so focused on the family he didn't believe that it was up to the government to raise your kids he wanted to not only empower the students but also the parents and something that you've done so beautifully, Megan, is that your children, you've raised them with the truth and understanding the importance of loving this country. You might not agree with everything that the government does.

That's life. It's the government. But you still love this country. And so your babies even started to, turning point chapters. But it's also because you as a parent saw how important that was. And I think that's what's so special about Turning Point USA is that when we have these events, especially America Fest, it is so family-oriented. We're not out there trying to raise your kid. We're trying to reaffirm what you've been telling them this whole time. We're trying to

reaffirm to them that there is a space for you. We are here for the civil discourse. We are here for the debates. We are here for the dialogue. We are here for the freedom of speech. That's our role. Save Western civilization. But what Charlie loved and him being a parent also was that he wanted to inspire the parents to show their kids what true North is and then say, you have a home at turning point that will help fuel that even more. And so that's how I view us being able to help. Charlie spoke very frankly to young men. He did it on my show many times,

and one of my favorite clips of him is the dating advice one. Right? Do you know the clip I mean, where he said, you got to pay on the first day to the guys. When you are courting a woman, he said, when you are courting, yes. He was very sweet to those guys. He seemed like nice guys,

but it's absolutely ridiculous that you're talking about not paying. Right. So let me ask you the other side of it. What's your advice to young women who get asked out by? young men. Well, stay away from hookup culture.

Don't just date to date. If a guy wants to take you to drinks instead of dinner, and that's a huge red flag, if they don't want to go to church with you and have brunch afterwards, another huge red flag, don't introduce them to your family until you know, without a shadow of a doubt, that might be the man that you're going to marry.

And don't treat your boyfriend like your husband. Don't treat your boyfriend like your fiancé. Treat them like your boyfriend. Treat your fiancé like your fiancé and your husband like your husband. And I think that when you stay focused on the Lord and the lane that he has you in, which is a stream of significance, keeps swimming in that. The man that's supposed to be with you will not detract you from the Lord. He'll enhance your focus on the Lord.

And he will help be there to build there to build. with you to love on you to be there for your family. He won't tear you away from your family. He won't challenge your beliefs in a way that makes you question the Lord and what you know in your heart to be true. He'll love you so well just like my Charlie did. And he'll be a compliment to you in such a beautiful way. And you'll be equally yoked where you're not having to compete and you're not having to strive, the two of you are in lockstep, and you're building something beautiful for the kingdom, and it's powerful. If I could, just a quick addendum, don't be a slut.

Right, just that too. Note to self. Note to self. Right. All right, now, in the time we have left, I've got to ask you this. turning point played a massive role in the past election

in the presidential election massive role and so we have to talk about what turning point may or may not do in 26 and most importantly in 28 and why is it get behind J.D. Vance Let's start with midterms first

before we start jump into 28 and let's enjoy the fact that we do have Donald Trump in office and we worked really hard Let's enjoy that back. We were really hard to make that happen. My husband did. So I just want to enjoy that for a minute before we start jumping ahead. But my husband, like I said, built a machine.

And some of the secret sauce within that was that he loved the students. But also he loved empowering them to know that they could make a difference. and how important voting was. And when you see these pictures of him when he first started Turning Point USA, he was so bought into his own mission. He wasn't, you know, in an office cubicle while the students were out in an event.

He was there wearing his lanyard with his little name tag and a BigGov sucks button and socialism sucks button. And he believed in the mission so much. And for a lack of better term, he knew that the unsexy work was what it took to save elections, which is tennis shoes and clipboards. And speaking to your neighbors, knocking on doors, being involved with your community,

not being afraid to explain to people why you believe what you believe. And nothing is changing at Turning Point USA or Turning Point Action. If anything, it's just continuing to grow. I mean, you've seen the numbers of how many chapters and churches, and it's been phenomenal. And yes, there is a structure of quality over quantity, but the 26 midterms, obviously, we'll be focusing heavily on Arizona. It's our home state. But the thing I love the most, especially about, and if you guys have ever been to our campus,

If you have not, I really suggest you come by. We have a building that's specifically for the turning point action building. And it is one of my favorite buildings to go into because I feel the heartbeat of Charlie in there from a strategy standpoint. Because it's a literal, it's like a war room in there. They have the polling, and they have the strategy laid out, and they have the door knockers. It's really, really powerful to witness.

And I can just see Charlie being like, knock on that one, one more door, one more door. Talk to that neighbor one more time. And so we are thrilled to be able to still make massive impacts and inroads with the upcoming elections. And the team that Charlie built, I tell you what, I would bet on them any day, always. You mentioned, I mentioned J.D., you mentioned Trump. Can you just give us a minute on them? Because from afar, it has looked like they've been so there for you. Yes. And, you know, I don't think most people were surprised to see J.D. do it, but everyone says Trump has no empathy. He's a nasty guy. He's a mean guy. He's a Nazi. Pick your term. I saw him with you at the Presidential Medal of Freedom when he awarded it to Charlie posthumously. Can you just tell us a little bit about how they've been behind the scenes in this whole thing? Charlie and President Trump had a really special relationship.

It was one that some people would understand others wouldn't. At sometimes it was fatherly son, but at other times it was this mutual deep respect of being able to build in a way where Trump understood building in Manhattan and building across the country and across the world architecturally. And he also, Charlie understood building with Turning Point USA and his ability to see things that other people couldn't really see, especially in other people.

But what Charlie really appreciated about President Trump is that no matter what anyone says about him, he is so mission-focused. He's so laser-focused, and Charlie was the same way. And he admired so much the president's tenacity to keep going, especially after January 6th when no one wanted anything to do with him, Charlie said, I got your back, and he meant it. And moments like that really put into perspective the human aspect of politics,

you can go down the rabbit hole of slandering someone. But at the end of the day, when it's all said and done, the most important thing is that you realize that we're all just doing our best here, with our one life that we have. And the president was so good to Charlie from the standpoint of, he didn't look down to Charlie. He appreciated his ability to be able to mobilize the youth, but also to share the message of how amazing the country we live in.

Yes, we have faults. Anything with humans have faults. We're all sinful. But he appreciated that Charlie was always there for him, and he was always there for Charlie. And the president has always had a very soft spot in my heart because I got to witness that he wasn't just the president to my husband. He was a friend.

And I'll never forget that. And Jady and Usha have been incredibly supportive. It's been really nice to see. And I look forward to you guys throwing the full weight of turning point behind them in about three years. Am I being subtle? No, it's not being subtle. It's already, you know.

It's in the works. But that was a thing that my husband was very direct about. It was interestingly enough. One of the last few conversations we had was how intentional he was about supporting JD for 28. Yeah. He was totally behind JD. And he was largely responsible for Trump picking JD. Mm-hmm.

That's true. Okay, here's another one. Charlie said on the record, Erica is way more conservative than I am. Way more. how so well first and foremost we were always very in alignment with obviously a lot of things but there were certain things where we made sure that I was a little in the beginning and Andrew Colvette can attest to this it was an immigration side of things that I had a different

viewpoint on. And then he was like, I see that point. It was a long time ago with student visa related topics. But other than that, we were in alignment with a lot of things. I was just a little bit more direct behind the scenes about it. But we were always in lockstep with one another. So people hoping for a turning point to go conservative light now that's not happening. Okay. No, we are not turning point. USA is not becoming. feminized, let me tell you that. That is not going to happen. Awesome. Never. No, we are, we have a great team. We have, you know, a phenomenal group of people that are, that's, you know, that's what's so amazing too about turning point is that after all this happened,

we didn't have mass firing. We didn't have mass exodus. We didn't have any issues internally. everyone we grieved but we were able to pull off an unbelievable memorial service was incredible but that just is a testament to the team i mean that's not normal um that is that is the holy spirit moving within the organization and now more than ever i see the strength of the organization because people aren't just there to write emails. And that's why the age of the individuals that work at the office, everyone's so young. Charlie didn't care if you went to college.

He actually preferred that you didn't. He would hire you right out of high school. But the organization itself is so healthy and the culture is so healthy. And our chapters and the students and the field program and the Charlie Kirk Show and the events team. everyone that is a part of the organization goes back to that tapestry of it has a bunch of threads but woven together the organization is phenomenal so no we are not weakening at all we are not becoming feminized at all if anything we're being more emboldened and we will carry on my husband's legacy in a way that no one could even have imagined and will make it everything he could have ever dreamed of

and more amen amen god bless you god bless your children God bless Turning Point USA, and you let all of us know if you need anything. Prayers. Prayers would mean everything. You got it. Wisdom and discernment and protection. And just pray for our country. Pray for our leaders.

Pray for people that you don't agree with. You don't have to like them, but just pray for them. Pray that the Lord softens their heart. Pray that the Lord has his will be done, and justice always prevails. and just pray that. We're on it. We love you. I love you.

Don't we love Erica? Thank you. Don't forget to buy the book. Stop in the name of God. You can get it now. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.

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