The Charlie Kirk Show - We Need More Young People in the Trades — Charlie’s Last Message to the Working Class

Episode Date: October 19, 2025

A few weeks before Charlie’s assassination, he spoke to a group of blue collar workers and took questions on the importance of entrepreneurship, the elite vs. the working class, how to get the youth involved in the trades, immigration policies, and more.   This speech was given August 22, 2025 at Win the Storm. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!  Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro-American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're going to end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you will end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You've got to stop sending your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as much.

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Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you, Josie. That's very sweet. And hello, everybody. It's great to be here. And I told Josie, I said, Josie, you've got to go up there and say that you can create distance from anything I say. So Josie's a really sweet guy. Give it up for Josie. He's doing a great job. And it's a really wonderful event. I want to talk about a couple things. And then honestly, I want to learn from you guys.

You guys are on the front lines. I have some views on immigration and other stuff that you might not share. but instead of us yelling at each other, I want to learn from you in the open mic perspective and hear what you're going through on the front lines, and then we can have a back and forth, because that's actually how this country should operate, right? Not name-calling or, you know, death threats or any of that nonsense. But the main thing I want to talk about is the perspective that we have or the lack thereof of how we educate young people. What you guys are involved in is what I call a muscular class job.

It's a job where the people that you employ, they shower before work, and they shower after work. It's a lunch-pail type job. Far too often, we have had over the last 20 years an over-emphasis on a brain economy while sacrificing the body of the economy. We have shipped too many jobs overseas to China. We've allowed the middle class to be destroyed.

We've allowed the industrial base of America to be hollowed out. And we have forgotten that more than anything else, an economy is made strong based on your ability to make stuff and fix stuff, build stuff, build stuff things you can touch places you can live places you can travel to and far too often we act as if economic growth is nothing more than just flipping through a social media app or creating a better

selfie or a different dancing video we ask ourselves the question are we still building the great buildings the great towers the great dams and the great places of a generation prior and increasingly it is difficult to do that through regulation and red tape and one of the other main reasons this is where i have kind of spent a lot of time in my commentary is we have a unnecessarily sent way too many kids to four-year college in this country. We are sending way too many kids to four-year college. It's not even a political

standpoint, by the way. It's a very simple one. We have a need for 500,000 electricians right now. We do not need more sociologists, but we certainly need more electricians. What happens is that in the suburbs of Dallas, or anywhere across the country, parents

believe, and they're being kind of taught, hey, you have to send your kid to four-year college. You have to send them, to University of Texas or University of Houston I have to say Texas A&M or someone's going to throw something at me or whatever

or Texas Tech or someone's going I think I checked most of the boxes or Baylor or what did I forget I forgot I forgot some school I'm sure Texas is a big state we love Texas

so by the way the most hate I ever got was when I spoke at A&M and I did this people got so mad I got the most nasty messages so anyway we are sending what we've in sending way too many kids to four-year college to go borrow money they don't have, to study things that don't matter, to find jobs that do not exist.

And there is a massive trade deficit right now in this country. And it's because, if we're honest with it, and you guys are in the roofing business, if you grew up in Plano or in Frisco, and you went to high school, and you told your parents, hey, I'm going to go become a roofer. Your parents would be like, no. go study I don't know

North African lesbian poetry at UT Dallas and then I'll be proud of you and we all laugh but we know it's true

at some level we know that there is those of you that are in the trades and that run these companies you are treated as if you are stupid and you are dumb because you don't have that for your degree

on your wall when you walk in I will trust the wisdom of a roofer well above that of a PhD from Harvard any day in this country, any day. And it's not just about, oh, okay, they might not know every single little fact. But you know what? The Ruffer could tell you what a woman is. And there's that practical knowledge when you have to wake up early every single day and go to work and deal in reality, and deal with gravity and deal with the complexities

of that craft, which is not easy. And I want to just say, thank you guys for the hard work that you are doing, for disaster relief and all across the board, because it's a forgotten portion of the American economy that is so necessary and so important. But broadly, we have trades like plumbers, electricians, HVAC, roofers, that we talk down to these people, where there is a college credentialed class, and then there's a working class. People look at these last couple elections, and they say, well, you know, what is dividing the country? Is it right versus left? It's actually more elitism versus the working class. It's people that talk from a very elitist ivory tower and try to talk down to a population that has not seen their wages

always go up, that are seeing things get more expensive, and they're told that they're dumb and they're stupid just because they did not go to a small subset of universities and colleges. And in fact, not only is it wrong, but it's 180 degrees opposite to what we should be doing. What we should be doing, and I was told by Josie, who's doing a great job, that we're finally getting roofing back into high schools, getting the idea of a roofing trade back into high schools, we should be celebrating the trades

to our seventh graders, our eighth graders, our freshmen in high school. We should be lifting up the idea that if you are able to change a tire and be a mechanic, that is an admirable thing. Not only is it important, but it is something that is so rare and exceptional because we have an oversupply right now of the college credentialed class and you all saw them this morning when you ordered your Macchiato at Starbucks

you know exactly what I'm talking about they all have college degrees they're all over-credential but we have an oversupply in that and again the main fundamental reason is we've bought into a lie as a society that the only way to success is to go into debt and go study

something that is just abstract and doesn't matter but that there's something wrong or there's something dirty if you have to sweat when you go to work. And when we think about it, those are the jobs of the professions that built America into the greatest country ever to exist in the history of the world. And Will again. And I guarantee you, just looking at this audience, this audience is a lot different than

when I speak on college campuses, like a lot less purple hair, same amount of tattoos, but a lot more testosterone. Right there. That's not talking about you. you're the tattoo quotient guy but I could sense in this audience many of you were former roofers

or maybe certainly are or still are or at least you were involved in some sort of summer job by the way again we'll have the immigration discussion a little bit but I think we can all agree let's bring back summer jobs for kids in high school again where did we as a culture get away from that I think that's a point of agreement

that I think summer sports is important but the one downside of summer sports is that 14, 15, and 16-year-olds don't always have to go get summer jobs. You know, back in the 60s and 70s, we were a nation where it was an expectation when you hit the age of 14, 15 or 16, you would go get some sort of a summer job. You'd work at a diner, you'd be working in a kitchen and cleaning dishes. And as a parent of two young kids, I think to myself, I hope I'm a good enough parent by the time that they get to be a teenager, that I'm going to say, no, go work on some job that is maybe below our income level. And that's a

big problem, right? Because once we reach the upper middle class, we have this idea that our kids should not have to do the jobs that we once did. But the idea of a summer job, I think it made kids understand the value of hard work, of discipline, of sacrifice, waking up early, and it's especially humbling if you come from an upper middle class family to have to go caddy for a summer, or have to go work for a roofing company, or just whatever it might be. And what I find is I talk to employers all the time. I say, how many kids are applying for summer jobs? They say, oh, no, they just, they want to sit around and play video games. And I know that's not a total true, but I bet you guys could agree with that largely, that if you guys as roofing professionals

were trying to go, you know, running roofing companies, we're trying to find a 16 or 17-year-old to go work a summer job. That's a hard thing to find. And that's a problem. We need to culturally bring back an expectation of if you are young, we want you to try out a lot of different stuff. And you know what's awesome about summer jobs? You can find out what you're good at. You can find out what you're passionate at. You can learn a lot. If you want to go be a mechanic, go help the guy just do the most basic elementary work at a body shop. If you want to go be a roofer, if you want to go be a plumber, an electrician, whatever it is, at the most fundamental level.

And this change in the 1980s and 1990s because my parents from the baby boomer generation, they thought to themselves, our kids are going to be more elevated above summer jobs. And I don't know about you guys, but I wasted a lot of time when I was in summer. a lot. I was involved in sports and basketball football and, you know, Eagle Scouts and, you know, being an Eagle Scout, all that. But still, I think back to, I wish there would have been a cultural expectation because I know what it did to the country prior. And those kind of sometimes those dirty jobs that Mike Rowe always talks about, we need to celebrate those people that do those jobs. And some people say, but Charlie, if I don't go to college, I cannot succeed. Mike Rowe reports that there are 11 million good job openings right now. How many of you guys would hire Americans right now, if you could, you have job openings? I mean, I'm seeing hands all across the room. And so we need to kind of reset the expectation of, hey, we want to be a culture of work, a culture of not just of meritocracy, but there needs to be an expectation. And part of this is also it's too easy not to work in this

country. Our welfare programs are way too big and way too easy to scam. That, again, we all agree that we should have a safety net, but we don't want that safety net to become a hammock where you can sit around all day long and we the taxpayers have to keep on paying lots of taxes and it makes, even if it's within $10,000, someone's going to sit at home, meaning that if they could roof for like $60,000 a year and they could sit at home for $50,000 year, they're going to sit at home. They're going to figure it out. But even worse than that, and I'm sure you guys know this, they'll then work for cash and not report the income and then it's not reliable and it's just all over the place. And so where we went wrong, in my personal opinion, is that we

started to worship the power and we started to appreciate the, not even appreciate, we started to give too much credence to the university power structure in this country in a way that the bottom has completely fallen out. And so how do we get back from that? It starts with a lot of you guys and also starts with public commentary. I did not go to college. I took a gap year when I was 18 years old. It's been 13 gap years, and we'll see if I end up go back to college. And you know my favorite word that a kid never hears, almost out of, is entrepreneur. It's one of my favorite words. And if one of I, again, I don't want to pick on some of the wonderful people that watch our podcast and videos.

And I always get a kick when I ask, you know, some of these students, what are you studying in college? Well, I'm studying entrepreneurship. Yeah, you don't study entrepreneurship. You do entrepreneurship. And like, what exactly are you learning as an entrepreneurship club? I'm learning the best practices. How many of you guys just had no idea what you were doing when you started your business? You took a risk and you're like, I'm just going to outwork everybody and I'm going to figure it out along the way.

You didn't go to Baylor to go study entrepreneurship. And that was a master class that you couldn't have paid for. Because I remember the first time I went into a bank, I didn't know credit from debit. By the way, we don't teach any personal finance anymore in our schools. We've got to bring back for personal finance. And we have to stop this easy way that young kids are getting way too into debt in this country. It's a major problem. But as an entrepreneur, the best thing that creates an entrepreneur is not a class, it's not a seminar, what creates the best entrepreneur?

One word, pressure. When you are under pressure, your creative juices flow, you work all night, you'll drive the places you wouldn't imagine, you'll take that extra job, you'll say yes to everything. And also, when is the best time to be an entrepreneur? when you're 18 or when you're 35. Both can work, but at the best time the entrepreneur is when you have literally nothing to lose. No family to support, you know, no wife or whatever. But when you end up to be, you know, 35, you have a wife and kids, all of a sudden the pressure is a little bit different.

You're like, hey, I'm going to kind of take the easy route. Entrepreneurship rates have gone like this over the last 30 years. I believe, in my opinion, which is probably provocative, as people have started to go to college, more entrepreneurship rates have gone down. because everything in college is about risk aversion. Everything. And you guys would not be here in this room as entrepreneurs if you were averse to risk

at all. The journey of an entrepreneur is that we are going to go try to solve a problem for somebody. It might not succeed. It almost certainly will fail and I'm going to do it anyway. What makes America a different nation than our European card-up counterparts? A lot of different stuff. But one of the things

economically it is, we start more businesses. we start more concepts and so how do we treat an 18 year old right now at a local high school it says I don't want to go to high school I don't want to go to college I just want to start a business or something well the traditional path is

well you know go get your four year degree just think instead we should be celebrating an 18 year old to want to go take that risk and want to go create value to want to go out into the marketplace and do something unique and interesting and creative last thing I'll say is this And then we can have a fun discussion, guys, and I want to learn from you and hear from you,

is that you guys on the front lines of building businesses are not just critically important, but I want to encourage you that I believe that we are going to be on the verge of an economic golden era in the next couple of years. People can disagree. I believe, though, that we have this pent-up, this pent-up demand. We're going to see no tax on tips, no tax on overtime. I know capital expenditures are going to flow. more than all of that though America globally I've been

able to travel the world last couple of months everyone is now saying America is back America is back as our 47th president and 45th president would say our country was dead a year ago and we are the hottest country in the world and even if

here's my challenge even if you are here sneering at me and you hate my guts and you hate the president you should want this president to succeed that's my only ask You don't have to agree with the word that I say. The only thing I ever ask out of my left-wing counterparts is you should be cheering for the White House's success.

That's it. You should want the country to succeed regardless of who the occupant in the White House is. You should want America to be a better country, a healthier country. You should want America to be a stronger country regardless of who is in charge. You should be cheerleading for the best of the nation. And the psychology and business,

I believe we're going to start to see that flowing again. And I believe that we're going to start to see a middle-class renaissance. And for you guys, Roofers, hey, we need to build more homes. We need to build more places where you guys can do business. We need to expand our inventory. We need to make it easier for younger people to own homes. We need to change the whole psychology that is facing this next generation. And that's what I will close on, is that a lot of you, I'm sure, have kids.

I don't think any of you, maybe you have grandkids. I don't know, I'm trying to tell the others. Some of you guys have kids that are like 10, 12, 13, 14, early teenagers or maybe late teenagers. This generation is on the precipice of inheriting a worse country than their parents were raised in. Everybody, regardless of your political affiliation, we need to rally together as a country and say that is wrong, and we must reverse it. We should make it easier to be able to own homes. We should celebrate marriage. We need to have more children in this country. We need to have more babies and we need to reverse the fertility collapse because we're having less and less kids,

and it's a major problem for everybody. We need to celebrate that idea that families, the foundational fabric of the United States of America. And finally, even on top of that, you look at the other kind of current dynamics of the affordability crisis and how things have become routinely more expensive. The answer to all of this is not going to be like Zoran Mamdani, government-run grocery stores in New York City. You know what the answer is? The answer is getting the government off of all of your backs, deregulation, lower taxes, empowering entrepreneurs so you guys can create value, create wealth, and make America a better country. We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries, and today I want to point you to

their podcast. It's called Culture and Christianity, the Alan Jackson podcast. What makes it unique is Pastor Allen's biblical perspective. He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to issues we're facing today, gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge, Trump and the White House, issues in the church. He doesn't just discuss. us the problems. In every episode, he gives practical things we can do to make a difference. His guests have incredible expertise and powerful testimonies. They've been great friends. And now you can hear from Charlie in his own words. Each episode will make you recognize the power of your faith and how God can use your life to impact our world today. The culture and Christianity podcast is

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process here. I'm sure they have some mic runners here. Yep, right there. And thank you guys for being so polite and welcoming to me. It means a lot. Yes, sir. Hi, Charlie. So I'm a, I'm a chain-breaking, grew up in the barrio own multiple eight-figure companies who has a high school education. And I want to thank you for your conservative position on what you talk about. The one thing I wanted to point out is my wife and I many years ago, we have compassion for the children that come over the border and what have you. And what I hear a lot is there are a lot of Americans who talk about, you know, we need to do all these programs, and we need to do all this. I'm the father to three Costa Ricans, one Chinese, and two biological

children. And when we want to talk about how we help the children, how about we put our money where our mouth is and go bring them home and make them our children and then grow them up in the greatest country ever. Well, God bless you and thank you for your great heart. You have lived it more than just said it. God bless you. Thank you. We'll keep, uh, yes, sir. We have a ton of time for questions, guys. So we got like 40 minutes. Yeah. Hey, Charlie. Man, I'm a huge fan. Been following you for a while. I got a kind of an off question. So both of my parents are like liberals on steroids. I just wanted to ask you, what do you think would be the most tactical way just to try to get them to see our side? And because I do believe it's not, you know, they're baby boomers and it's not, a Democrat isn't the same thing as it was 50 years ago.

So what would be some simple things that you would suggest if you were in the same situation as I? Got it. So first thing is cut off their CNN subscription, right? You just got to cut that off. So that's step one. step two is just ask questions and then try to see what it is their objection is and I don't I mean I could figure it out pretty quick it's either is it values or is it tone and that's a very important thing are you upset with the current status because you don't like a way a certain person is acting or speaking or is it because you do not share the worldview of what they're trying to accomplish those are two separate arguments right and sometimes they get conflated someone says I don't like the president because I don't like the way he talks okay but do you like what he stands for, what he does? Yes, then we can have a separate conversation, right?

So those are two different things. But I would ask them, is it the secure southern border they don't like, or is it like the six wars ended that they don't like, or the massive tax cut that they don't like, or drill baby drill, or, like, no more DEI or wokeness or, like, no transgender surgery for kids? Like, which one in particular are they really fired up about? And then happy Thanksgiving is what I have to say to you.

So thank you. Thanks, Charlie. Hi, Charlie. How you doing, man? I think that you and I are a lot of like, and I really appreciate everything that you're doing here today. And I run a nonprofit as well, and I know you do as well. And I think that one of the awards that we can get as a nonprofit is the transparency award, right? So I think that how can we be more transparent, you know, in delegating those dollars and what it would possibly look like to be able to create a system that I'm currently working on actually to be able to implement that into the government's tax system where you know say the government would be able to be awarded a transparency award like you or i that is you know so you know like just the taxes and what if we were all knew exactly where our taxes were

going to the exact dollar and we were excited about paying taxes boy that would be something wouldn't it? We need to put every federal sent online in real time so that we could track it. The best solution, I think, is blockchain. Bringing blockchain technology to the federal government is the best and only solution. And I say that after a lot of years of research and thinking, it's a very simple, easy solution. It's transparent. It's bulletproof.

It's end-to-end encrypted. It's also a way to restore trust. Also, our voting should be secured by blockchain as well. It would restore integrity back to our elections. And then finally, there should be no black box budgets in the federal government. There should be no place where we don't know where the money is going. We should know down to the Snickers bar that the Central Intelligence Agency is buying. Because here's the problem.

They act as if it's their money that they're loaning from us or vice versa. No, no. It's our money that they take from us and they have to take it for good reason. And then they have to prove it. And then they have to keep on year after year. Show us why they have to keep on taking so much money from us. And so I think we need a whole different framing of how taxation happens in this country. Thank you very much.

God bless you. Thank you. Hey, Charlie, thank you so much for being here. I love the heck out of you. I just have one question that I know a lot of us have a burning question for. For one, I'm half Mexican myself. My family's been here since the 1800s. Do you feel with all the technology and the intelligence we have that there is a way to take the illegals that are here

working their ass off, providing for the families, is there a way, should there be, of course, should there be, is there a way to make it streamlined, to make it efficient that we don't have to strip them and throw them back to Mexico or wherever they came from? Because we do, I think, would understand the mathematics that the next big hurricane that hits, they're continuing to strip our workers off the roofs and send them back, who the hell is going to do the work? Do you think there's a safe way we can do that? So this is, so why don't you educate me of, what mass deportations would do to your industry? There would be no one to work on the, to build back.

We already, we've already seen it in Florida. So then allow me to provocatively then have me tell you how I hear it. Are you telling me everyone in this room is hiring illegal labor? Not everyone, but, I know I have it in the past. Okay, so everyone is saying yes. So, and again, you guys can boom me off stage, and I want to respectfully have it. And if I'm wrong, come to the mic. So is everyone here in this room committing a felony?

Yes. Okay. Good to know. But do you think that there is a way that we could, instead of going stripping people off a ruse? Well, so let me ask a different question. What do you think the penalty should be for illegally coming into America? Whatever's already in. Right.

So the penalty is returned to your country of origin. right again i'm not i want someone again my opinion is one that i want to learn from you guys about the real life implications right i have an opinion that is very simple we have not yet even had a year of immigration enforcement we've had 40 years of non-enforcement and we're already freaking out i'm asking for one year we obviously as a country don't have the stomach for that we don't have the ability or the capacity and that's i'm going to be the one that's going to hold the line and say, hey, the American people should at least get one year of what they voted for. And I understand it might cause a lot of disruption, but call me old fashion. I think that if you break into somebody's

home, you shouldn't be allowed to stay. Appreciate you, Charlie. Good answer, bud. Thank you. And again, I want to keep a spirit of learning here. I'm not trying, like, I understand from your perspective, this is existential. So please, yes. What up, Charlie. How you doing, man? So I'm kind of piggybacking off of that because I completely understand and I agree with the loss. It's like there's no gray area. It's black or white. You're either here legally or you're not. And I've talked to some of my crew leaders about it because, I mean, yeah, you've got ICE that has offices in certain areas and they're legit, like getting in their vans or whatever it is, coming through neighborhoods and just sweeping people away. And then they're scared to work. So it is a battle.

that we are experiencing in the field and I mean I'm white I don't want white people do on the roofs because we're you know I got people complaining it's hot outside so um so I've talked to him and it's like so is there a way to if you deport them to have them ready to come right back where they go through a certain system and filling things out or a technology where we can have people instead of removing them coming around to get them registered were they're here legally without sending them back? So a couple thoughts. You can ask them.

Three things. And thank you for the respectful remark. Do you want to add something? No, it's okay. Before it changed subject. Yeah. Okay, fine. So just three thoughts on that.

Number one, I'm not the President of the United States, so I'm not calling shots on this. I'm a commentator, so just kind of keep that in mind. The President, however, has signaled that he does want to work with business to figure this out, right? Charlie Kirk's opinion is one more of that is represented by voters and grassroots that have said we have, we have completely ignored the enforcement of law for 40 years at great cost to public services, national unity. And you can't deny that. No, for sure, right? So I think everyone here in this room can understand the perspective I'm coming from. Secondly, I want to just say, I know this is going to fall on deaf years. No one wants to see anybody in this room. the intent is not to make your life harder.

It might end up being a byproduct. The intent is we allowed 12 million people in a span of four years to flood into the country, right, from a hundred different countries. If we do not go to dramatic measures to fix it, then we're not a nation. We're something completely else. To your point, though, the president has his own opinion and his own perspective, and he's getting calls from both sides, right?

It's getting a lot of calls from industry, from restaurants, hotels, and let me just tell you from my perspective. And again, I think this will be educational. This is like the third or fourth event I've spoken at like this in the last couple of months. And every event I speak at, everybody has a similar thing. Charlie, my restaurant is going to shut down. Charlie, my golf course is going to shut down. Charlie Disney World is going to shut down. And at some point, I say, wow, like I guess this is like apocalypse on steroids. here's my other perspective, and you guys are going to be in total opposition to this. I'm a little bit skeptical when I hear the over-catastrophization of events after we have been led, like the maximal catastrophization at every corner in our country.

Now, as far as President Trump, he's talked about expedited getting people in legally and expanding visas. My opinion is actually different than that one, but it doesn't matter what I believe because I'm not president. All I'm asking for is just one year out of four. see how can we enforce the laws. But I think we're really reaching an important conclusion as a country. We are reliant, addicted, and okay with illegal labor in this country. It's just the way it is. And that's been a sad realization for me. I would love to be a nation like Mexico that doesn't put up with it. But it turns out our nation has been so reliant on it for nearly

40 years. But again, I don't want to try to target you guys in the room here or throw opposition to you. Yes, you want to find a comment to that? Yeah, it's just, it's been the norm. for so long. And it hasn't really been addressed on this level because, I mean, we all know certain presidency let every single person in that you could possibly imagine. So I get both sides, but it's just finding something strategic that makes sense. I hear you. Yeah. And again, I think, I think the president is very sympathetic to your message, for sure. This is Lane Schoenberger, chief investment officer and founding partner of Y Reefi. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point and for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to

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where we're a little bit different. And I say that because I want to really quick, a question for you, can someone who's not a U.S. citizen serve in the United States military? Can they serve the United States in the military? They shouldn't be allowed to, but no. But they can. Correct. But they actually are serving in police forces, but you're correct.

They can. So have a very, very, very dear friend. Do I consider family at this point who served as a United States Marine for 12 years and has been denied American citizenship five times? It's taken him tens of thousands of dollars. But you just said they can't serve in the military. Yes, they can. But no, if he can serve in the United States military, if you're not a U.S. citizen,

you can serve your country and die for the United States of America and still be denied your U.S. citizenship. Interesting. I didn't know that. And so the reason, and this goes back to this gentleman over here is going to have a really hard time at Thanksgiving talking to his parents, haven't talked to my father in years or is that conversation because there's so many nuances to the way immigration works right now. And as Texans really close to the border, you experience it a little bit different, right?

So that said, if we focused, or you tell me what you think about this, if we focused even a percentage of the efforts and time and thought and energy into the policy reform for immigration that we're putting into just really quick, fast, everybody out as fast as you can. Do you think that would have a similar... Obviously, there's going to have to be some corrective measures that take place, but... Yeah, again, I'm a... Call me old school and call me radical. We haven't even had a couple months of enforcement, and everyone's losing their mind.

And I think that's kind of telling. And again, I'm just saying that it's a revealing moment that we have a whole shadow economy that operates. What I would love for you guys is to have a workforce. Thank you. Have a workforce that you guys don't have to worry about. And I do also want to say, like, Trump ran on this. It's fundamental towards the idea of elections that when you run on something, people should get it. And he did say repeatedly mass deportations, mass deportations. And at the very least, I think we could all agree that if you came across under Biden, you should go. That's 12 million people. if you disagree at that I'm like boy you think you should just be able to come in in the last four years and stay

maybe we could agree on that again I visit I travel the world a lot of you guys understand this perspective which is we have we have immigration laws that nobody else has across the world we're a very generous country a lot of you guys came here legally and you came here the right way but if we are honest with ourselves that generosity has been taken advantage of for sure it has it has been scammed with chain migration am saying all I'm introducing is just a season of correction and we're not even six months into that correction and I think that it shows that we as a nation don't have the stomach to do the disciplinary measures to rebalance it but to your friend who served God bless him and if I can help in any way we'll talk privately okay ask you your thoughts on the current like the policy to

for getting citizenship like what are your thoughts on oh I do not I do not support citizenship for anyone here that's illegally. Illegal. I'm an old-fashioned radical that if you come here illegally, you have caught in line from an other immigrant or someone that had to come here correctly. And I call me a stickler. I think federal immigration law matters. And I think if you don't follow it and if you don't adhere laws, we should not make special accommodations for them. So, thank you very much. Hey, Charlie. Over here in the center. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes.

Thank you. Yeah. First and foremost, I am a college graduate, but I absolutely love spending every single morning when I'm having my coffee watching you decimate these new college. Thank you. It is just a highlight of my morning, and it is just fantastic because when I was in college, I don't remember kids being this pompous. That being said, switching the subject slightly. What is your position? And, you know, you have a room full of, for the most part, blue collar guys here, guys and women. What is your position on the lobbyists of this country, specifically the insurance lobby, because

it's kind of hard to make your business and be a great entrepreneur when multi-trillion-dollar enterprises are bashing your every step of the way to become successful in life? And why hasn't President Trump, in your opinion, made this a more pertinent issue in the country? I think he should and can. I think we can all agree that a small subset of companies constant. lobbying for their own interest is really bad for us, and it decreases the amount of voice that everyday Americans have. One that I believe in that I think is not, I don't think there's any representative here, but you never know. They seemly everywhere, is I don't understand why

we have pharmaceutical advertisements on television. I don't understand it. I don't think we should have it. And I think this ties in, actually, to some of your industry, guys. As you represent roofers, these are hardworking, really awesome people that get hurt. And when they get hurt, all of a sudden, the first thing that has always offered to them is some sort of either opioid or opioid equivalent pharmaceutical drug. I bet you in this audience, many of you guys have had employees that work for you that got hurt, got addicted to opioids, and had a really rough life or maybe even died afterwards. Do you guys have similar stories like that? Your brother, yeah. And one of the lobbies that I'm really focused on trying to diminish and break is the pharmaceutical drug lobby.

We take way too many drugs in this country. we have we have way too much adherence to the pharmaceutical lobby i'm a big believer in making america healthy again um yes sir yeah so so i was tell me you work for fizer oh god no no no no no no no no i'm speaking more to the property insurance side of things so that that they're bad too okay got it so um i i agree with everything you said on the the pharmacy i have no insight into that but i'm sure they're terrible oh they're absolutely horrible god bless you i'd be happy to meet you sir and thank you for the support. But property insurance lobby, got it. I will do more research on that. Yes, sir. All right, Charlie. I hate to bring stuff back to immigration, but I'm a

representative of win the storm, and I think I recognize and I agree with you that there's a problem. It is black and white. But I'm going to admit it that we've created the problem for years, for decades, we've used illegal immigration as roof and cursed. There's no question behind that. now how do we come together? We've got a very strong community here. And we're trying to come together to really make that community better. What would our first step be to fix the immigration, not the ones committing the crimes now, but to get them in before they commit the crime so we can use those type of cruise. So I will speak, I will tell you what I think the president is thinking on this. Who cares what I think, right? Because he's the one that's going to make the

decisions. The president's view is he wants to try to make sure that businesses are not abruptly just taken apart because of him also fulfilling the mandate. He has said he wants to try to either create space or create time. While also simultaneously saying that, I think everyone here in this audience, my advice to you guys, I think that there needs to be more automation when it comes in all your industries, right? And I mean, you look at, I don't know the specifics of roofing in the sense of automation, but as far as building home, a lot of other countries, the Chinese, the Japanese, the Singaporeans, they're able to build homes in a week,

basically all with robotics and computerized labor in a very, very impressive way. We're way, way behind in that way. So what is my advice for all of you guys? First of all, I would try to hire American the best you can, get really involved in your local high school and go back to your local high school, and push and lobby them for a roofing trade

to be offered in high school. I think it's very, very important. And then, look, you guys have a very strong opinion, on it. We might not agree on it. But the great thing about this country is you guys might win and go have your voice be heard and you have a president, despite what the media says, he's a realist, he's a builder, and he will listen to you. Right? And I think that he comes from a perspective where he wants to see America strong and built while also kind of fulfilling that mandate. So you guys could not ask for a better president in that. And the final

thing, I want to come up with a solution that if I'm invited to speak back four years from now, we don't have to talk about this anymore. Yes. I want to just be like, okay, we came up with a solution. It is rooted in what we ran on. It's rooted in common sense. It's rooted in a pro-business, but also a mandate of the rule of law. And then we can kind of put it to bed and we say that issue is, you know, let's say other past years. Because the problem is we don't want this to be a continuous issue for multiple decades. It's not good for anybody. So thank you, sir. Really appreciate it. Thank you. hey charlie my name's davy i'm probably your biggest fan here um i've listened to you watched your reels i stay up the night to my eyes rolling back of my head watching them um i just want to point out another angle like my mom she's an immigrant she comes from spain uh in 1977 some of the earliest memories of my life is like my mom and dad having talks in the kitchen they were going to have to drive down to st louis to try to get the green card renewed and they

her ground like every time they'd be afraid she wouldn't get to and they'd kind of prep me on well mom might leave so i just want to point that out that we went through that for 44 years until she finally got her citizenship and she put work in and and it costs tens of thousands of dollars and she learned the language and she learned the language and and it was the proudest moment of her life was the day that she got her citizenship and so yeah and being your biggest fan the proudest moment my life would be right now if you would agree to let me come look at your roof or just put or i got a lot of problems with my roof so listen or let one of your people take my info like i will drive no matter how far it is give you the most legitimate inspection i'm serious i'm not playing one bit it would be the highlight of my life you got a deal all right

Neil. Thank you, Charlie. Who do I get your address from? I got a team over here, but I hope you enjoy Arizona because I don't live in Dallas. I don't care where it's that. I'm going. Thank you, Charlie. Thank you, sir.

Great to meet you. Thank you for the wonderful words. And your mom's a great story. We need more people like your mom. God bless you. Thank you. I think we're doing question lines now or we're going right here. Yes, sir.

We've got about 20 minutes remaining, guys. Thank you. Thank you for being so respectful. Yes. I have a two-part question. First and foremost, I just want to pray God's blessing and protection on you and your family. You definitely seem to find yourself in harm's way sometimes on those college campuses. So we do appreciate you.

So I'm kind of in a weird nexus. I'm very conservative. I'm not a fan of amnesty. I don't believe in birthright citizenship. But I find myself at the nexus of this because my son married an illegal immigrant. She overstayed her visa. I now have a grandson. So my question is, like, I'm feeling very conflicted, to be totally honest with you.

And then a second sort of related question, it's like I've got now extended family that's essentially the construction industry, and I think they're a little bit underpaid. So I think some of us are taking advantage of depressed wages and maybe the markets do a correction. I don't know. That's probably not a popular opinion, but maybe you could comment on that. Well, I mean, you said the second part. I didn't. So, I mean, wages have certainly not gone up. But, I mean, look, for business owners, your costs have also gone up. I'm not here to tell you how to run your business. I'm not even a comment on that. What you're getting at, though, is a very important moral conundrum, which is where what you believe and what you know is right is sometimes in contradiction with what you are seeing up close and personal. As far as the sun situation, I'd have to think about it. I think a visa overstay. If you marry, you can get that rectified. I don't know. Maybe. I know you're nodding.

head, but I'm not totally sure. Look, as far as I don't know how to quite give you advice on that, which is that you need to have your principles and believe what you believe. And I mean, yeah, I don't quite have much more to say than that. I mean, as far as the other component of increased wages, the American middle class has been battered the last 30 or 40 years, and part of it is because of our bad trade policies. And honestly, also part of it is that we've seen depressed wages. When you have more workers that are able to flood the market, wages go down. And a lot of you guys in this room, I know are on very, very, very tight margins. I understand it. I appreciate it. But at some point, we have to decouple with this shadow economy. Nobody in this room, I think, would think,

would believe that a shadow economy that operates when you don't know who they are or what's happening is good. It doesn't make, by the way, you guys operate on one word. The best business owners, you guys thrive on stability. There's nothing stable about having a shadow economy of people that could leave at any time. So fixing that long term, I think, adds that kind of confidence and that kind of stability. So I'd have to think more about your first part of your question, though. But thank you, sir, and thank you for the kind words. Yes. Charlie, how we doing, man? So my question actually moves a little bit away from the immigration discussion. What you open the speech talking about was the youth in America today. And the way that they're brought up and the way that they're moving

forward. I myself find myself the father of three girls, which is super fun. But the role models that I find myself trying to surround my daughters with don't exist outside of them thinking they can be a teacher or a nurse or these very traditional jobs when I look across this room at some bad powerful women in here that are doing amazing things, am I right? How do you suggest someone in my position helps kind of raise a family, especially of women, to be kind of empowered in that way that they go get a damn summer job? Great question. Well, first of all, if you know those role models, introduce your daughters to them immediately. And then also, be very conscious of the type of celebrity role models they're also following. Far too often, these young ladies

are following female influencers that embrace this widespread degeneracy and anti-Christian behavior. I'm a girl dad, too, only three years old, but, you know, very much thinking about these sort of things. And for young ladies, far too often, we see the kind of role models. By the time they're 8, 9, and 10, they're not positive. They're not uplifting. They're not wholesome. So I think, you know, looking at female entrepreneurs, female business owners. And then also, my other piece of advice is bring your daughter to work with you.

Very, very good piece of advice. have her see you working, involve her in it, give her a task, give her a job, see that it's important, see that it's valued. I know that really worked for me growing up when my dad brought me to work. I encourage that for all of you guys that are business owners, bring your kids to work and involve them in the business. And then my dad made me work construction sites. He was an architect. I worked construction sites. It was fun. It was great. And it was character building. We need to get back to that, including for our daughters as well. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you.

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You go to Buffalo Grove High School? No, Stevenson. You went where? Stevenson. Oh, geez, yeah. But yeah, I mean, like I've seen you kind of start turning point from nothing, build it to what it is. So I was curious, like your biggest piece of advice for somebody who wants to build a massive organization like you have. So thank you for that. So if you are in a growth model, a growth period, let's see. say you're $5 million in revenue, $3 million, $6 million. I remember when we were, we're about $130 million in revenue now with all of our nonprofit

and all that. Praise God, right. And we have 500,000 donors. You could call them customers, but they're really donors, people that chip in $10, $15. And I bet some people in this room are part of that. And bringing this kind of message to college campuses and high school campuses, the biggest inflection point is where you are presented with an opportunity to hire someone a little more than you can afford that you know will help you scale. People will help you scale. To get

from a $5 million business to a $25 million business to a $100 million business, you're going to have to pay up for the people that can get you there. And you know exactly what I'm talking about, especially in the C-suite and in the sales division. Those two places, people that have the grit, the work ethic, and the experience. And I can say that from personal experience. When we right around five or seven million. I used the small little money I had to go pay for people that I otherwise couldn't afford. I didn't take a salary the first five or six years as I was running the organization just because I try to invest all the money back into it. So then the other thing though, and I'm sure you guys know this and you have it, is having very crisply defined

missional statements and cultural values and make sure that everyone knows the why behind what you are doing and make sure that you have a code of conduct that is presently and publicly always that people can buy into that's no more than maybe 8 to 10 points. You don't want it to be like 50. Here's the 55 cultural items that we have at, you know,

Ajax roofing. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, like no one's going to read that. But also make sure your team is invested in that growth. Make sure that they know that you want to grow. Because not everyone that works for you guys

even like cares that much about it. They want to get a job, get a job, get paid, go home. But if they know that there's a direction, there is growth to it, that they could have higher incomes and even a little bit of piece of the equity, that makes a major difference.

And so finally, those of you that are founders, those of you that are CEOs, for the first couple of years, this definitely needs to be true. I still try to make this true. You need to work harder than your employees, especially when you are in that $1 to $10 million revenue. You do not have the luxury of delegating too much.

You need to be the hardest working employee at your organization or at your company, even more so than the people that are working for you. if you want to scale, if you want to scale. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Great question. Charlie, I want to share a different type of frustration as an immigrant.

First of all, love this country, the best country on planet. I've been here for 20 years. In 20 years, I have received two government checks. One was 2008, Obama stimulus check, and I think 2020. Checks I didn't ask for. I sponsored to be for my parents to come here about 10 years ago so they cannot apply for government help and stuff like that both me and my parents, my wife's parents, immigrants,

they all work super hard. Here's the frustration part. I live in Minnesota. In 2023, Minnesota spends nearly $46,000 per person in poverty on public welfare and stuff like that. I know a lot of immigrants in this country and a lot of poor people. And my question to you, how do we cut back on supporting the lazy behavior? My wife is a therapist, and, you know, people come to her like 20, 22 years old from

Somali, Ukraine, you know, Africa. And I'm like, how do they can afford you? She's like, government pays for it. Me and you pay for it. I'm like, my parents cannot freaking pay. They get massages. They get, I mean, they get everything. $46,000 per person, I remember I was making $20,000 a year.

My daughter is 17 years old making 15 bucks an hour. There's plenty of work for everyone. As a business owner, how do I compete with people? I know immigrants who don't want to do what I do, don't want to do construction jobs because they can get housing, they can get food, they can get stamps, they can get everything. How do we come back this BS in this country? I like you. I will second something I said earlier.

earlier, which is that the major social welfare state is hurting your businesses, everybody. People can get money from the government so they do not enter the job market. I will just make one other point on the immigration thing. You mentioned the Somalian thing. Most Somalians that I've seen in public office and otherwise, we are not seeing assimilation. And I just want to say a major part of immigration is that you must assimilate to the nation that you are coming in. You must learn the language, respect the flag, and you assimilate to the national.

United States, like you, sir, I mean, you're assimilating. And we must demand assimilation because immigration without assimilation is an invasion. As far as the social welfare, look, I don't think you should be able to get government benefits unless you're a U.S. citizen. That solves it pretty quickly. That if you are here as a visitor, why should you be able to get benefits from the United States government? That should be for U.S. citizens only. Finally, I think we need more work requirements, and we need to be far less open of the amount of money the government pays for people not to work. We have low employment. We have job openings. We should not have the social welfare programs that we have in our nation right now. And that is just the tip of the iceberg,

my friend, of one example of thousands that we could go through. Because you know why? Everybody in this room is in their office 6 a.m., 7 a.m. at a job site to go pay taxes, to go pay to other people that do not work. It's not right, and we should cut it off. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. oh yes hello hello um i'm going to share this this comes from the national reaping contractor association construction industry is the number one highest suicide rate in the country right now and so i'm sharing a personal story and i'm trying to get emotional my dad passed away of dementia and so i learned a lot about the human brain during that process a year ago our son came to us, or came to the doctor, and we found out he was severely depressed. Had he not come,

he wouldn't be here today. Thankfully, he is. We learned so much about depression. What we thought was causes of depression and what happens in the human body through this whole process the last year with our son. And one thing that thankfully we learned is a lot of the things that we put in our body, his wasn't related to some event. His was related to different things that were given to him over time that we had to get rid of in his body. A friend of mine's son was diagnosed with something, and the doctor prescribed something where the first ingredient is the same first ingredient that's an antifreeze. A doctor told a family to give their two-year-old something that is an antifreeze. So my question is, how can we solve this going forward? How can we

help each other and how can we be educated so this kind of stuff doesn't keep getting worse? It's a great question. So all of you that run roofing companies or construction companies are both, I would encourage you, there's a great doctor, his name's Dr. Daniel Amen, A-M-E-N, if you guys know him. His whole perspective is less about mental health and it's about brain health, and it's really applies to all of you that are people in the muscular trades. You guys would be shocked at how many people that are depressed and anxious that are just brain injured. They might have a concussion. They might have had a traumatic brain injury, might be interfering with their cerebellum, with their amygdala. Very, very great doctor. And his whole

premise is so smart. He says, Charlie, if you go to the heart doctor, what do they say? We're going to scan your heart. If you have a liver problem, they're going to go do an MRI of your liver. But if you say I have depression, they just give you pharmaceuticals. And she says, why aren't we scanning the brain to see if the brain is itself damaged as an organ? We need to treat the organ of the brain first, and then we can see if there's underlying mental issues. And the issue, guys, and this is important, so many of you guys that work for you,

they have had their brains either damaged at work, at home, from smelling fumes, being out, whatever it might be, and it's not their fault, it's not your fault, but they might actually have damaged organs, and they don't even know it. So this doctor is the best at it in the country. He's Dr. Daniel Amin, like Amen, A-M-E-N. He has a whole book on this.

And then, yeah, the final thing, that I'll say is that before, look, there's a ton of people that are on antidepressants right now, some people it works great, some people it doesn't, and for the people that it doesn't, honestly, either they have brain damage, or we should also just present other non-pharmaceutical options. Loneliness epidemic is huge. I think there's a spiritual crisis in this country that is happening, and we need people to go back to church and give their lives to Jesus Christ, which is the most important thing. and so and finally this goes back to the whole maha thing how you eat impacts your brain

when you eat just garbage potato chips and twinkies and brownies and McDonald's it actually slows down your body's ability to process information if you for example if someone is depressed if they go on a ketogenic diet it could help you'd actually healthy fats, lean proteins, less carbohydrates can be really good. And I'm not here as a doctor to prescribe it. I'm a terrible traumatic brain injury like six or seven years ago. I was skiing. Everyone said I had a fun time. I woke up in a hospital. And so I really learned a lot about this stuff. And it can get better. That's a cool thing. The organ, the brain is an organ that can get better. And I think we need to start kind of talking about it because someone says, think about how hard it is

if you're a roofer and you're like a proud guy. It's hard to be like, yeah, you know, I have mental health problems. Like that's, but imagine if you said, yeah, my brain got hit. That's actually a lot easier for someone to verbalize and vocalize. It's a, it's a way to have an introduction of a conversation, and we need to look at it as much as a damaged organ more than anything else. Thank you so much. We have time for two more, I think.

Yes. Hey, what's up, Charlie? So cool to have you here. Big, big, big fan. I've been watching you for a long time. I'm not a blue-haired liberal that's going to come up here and spew any kind of nonsense. But we do live this every day, right? And I think everybody in this room has somebody on their crew that they love like family, like straight up family.

And I think kind of your stance on if you came here illegally, period, you got to go back. It's a little much. I think you need to come maybe spend some time with humans that are awesome human beings that I would lay down my life for some. of these guys. They move with us through the thick and thin. They kill themselves for us. And let's not forget, their job has 800% more likely to die on the job than a cop, an active duty cop, right, on the street. So they are serving their country. They are serving this country, a lot more than anybody living on welfare that might have been born in America. So that's just one point. And my thing for you, I just think there's a lot of need for really strong.

strong leadership. And you do appeal to a lot of the youth as well as, you know, Generation X and all that. And we need strong leadership to come out and just tell the truth. You know, what's happening. Like, this is Texas. Are there any Christians in this house? Thank you. And we're for real about it. And what's happening to our holy sites and what's happening to our brothers and sisters in Christ in the Middle East by a country that I'm sorry, I've never heard you come out and condemn the current leadership of that country, I think it's sad. I think you as a leader should come out and say something, that we do not support that, that the current regime in Israel, we don't support what they're doing. That's my thoughts. I got you. I mean, I've spoken out against,

first of all, very powerful argument at the beginning, gave me something to think about, so thank you for that. But no, I mean, you're talking about Israel, obviously. But yeah, Israel shouldn't have bombed the church. Israel shouldn't force the vaccine on their population. Israel, has abortion policies I don't like. They have gay pride parades in Tel Aviv I don't like. But also, I'm a Christian that has visited Israel. My life was enriched by being able to see where Jesus walked on water, where he rose from the dead. I do believe that God does not break his promises. And if God does not break his promises, he promised the land rights to the people of Israel. And we're going to have to, we have to wrestle with that. That by no means should

be naked apologists for the Bibi Netanyahu government, or for the Likud Party, or for the Israeli government. However, we should never allow this crap of Jewish. rot, do you hate anti-Semitism of this brain rot that we allow in this country, right? And I'm not saying you are, sir, at all. But we can't allow that to happen. We should not put up with churches being bombed, and we should not be put up with holy sites being attacked, period, end of story. We serve America.

We're America's first. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Last question over here. Hello, Mr. Kirk. It's a pleasure to talk with you. Bear with me for a moment. I'm not a strong speaker.

I hate to bring it back to immigration, but I think on the immigration topic, I for sure want a strong border that, you know, there are no illegal crossings, you know, we don't have illegal immigrants. I really feel that for wage labor, for policing community. I get that. But at the same time, as a Christian, I look in the eyes of some of these people that I grew up with. and my heart fills with compassion for people who come from a horrible place. And I get that there are murderers that have come and cartel members. And I hate that. But at the end of the day, when I look at some of these amazing people and I know that

there's not a good system in place currently for them to come legally, whether it's cost, wait time, whatever, I feel like I can't turn them away and it's my Christian duty to accept them. okay so first of all there's a lot there and i don't have a lot of time to do it first of all the bible is very clear on immigration that you must assimilate when you come to the land of which you are in number two it does not mean you have to even have any immigrants whatsoever we kind of have a like a very false impression of this um for example the entire book of nehemiah which is donald trom's here book of the bible it's all about building the wall and um it's the idea of strong borders is a

biblical concept in and of itself look i understand that you're filled with compassion with that, but honestly, my compassion is also for the American people that have not gotten a fair hearing in this nation in the last 40 or 50 years. And again, this entire dialogue today has been very helpful to me, and you guys have been awesome. But I have to say you have proven a very depressing point that we are not a nation that wants to have immigration policy. We just aren't. We're not. Like, we are not tough enough or strong enough to have mass deportations. We're just not. and I thought that we were maybe, but maybe we could have a couple months of it.

And look, as far as the compassion thing, I look at it, why is it not compassion to send them back to their country of origin? Why do they have a right to come to our nation? A nation has a right to be able to invite, be able to reject people of their choosing. And as far as the Christian standpoint of it, in Deuteronomy, in Ezekiel,

all throughout the scriptures, there's plenty of examples of repelling people from coming to your nation and prioritizing though in your homeland. But you have a big heart, and I appreciate that. My heart is also for the 74 million people that voted for a mandate this last November. We obviously, I don't think, have the stomach to actually do that. And the consequence everybody is, we're just going to have 50 million people in this country.

We don't know who they are, and they're just going to end up being a shadow force because we're afraid of actually having our laws enforced. But it's an important realization. I think we are at a time. Do you want to have a final thought on that? I would just say that, again, I fully support. a strong border. I feel like I would be much more inclined to support the actions behind it if we first built a really clean process for these wonderful people to come here. And once that's

in place, then I could support in a border enforcement. Got it. Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. My perspective is just different. And again, we have immigration law. When you break the law, you should be adjudicated. And if not, you seek to be a nation. Thank you. All right, let me just say In closing, guys, that dialogue is what it's all about. I don't know if we agreed on some. We disagreed on some. But most importantly, I want to end how I started, which is what you guys are doing is incredibly important. I learned a lot by being here and thank you guys for respectfully listening and having this great conversation. But we can all agree on this. One nation under God, not one nation under government. We want a strong America. What you guys are doing is so critically important. We need less kids going to college. We need more kids that are going into the trades so that you do not have a labor shortage. God bless me. you guys for the great work you're doing. Thank you so much. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com. Hi, Kevin McCullough. Think fossil fuels are climate villains that the legacy media and establishment politicos ask us to believe that they are. Think again. Did you know that

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