The Charlie Kirk Show - Where the Grassroots Goes Next

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

After an extrodinary turnout in 2024, Turning Point Action CEO Tyler Bowyer sat down with Charlie to discuss what TPA did differently to produce unprecedented results, what the team of motivated patriots is working on for the next elections, where the Reublican Party is headed, and how unengaged voters can become political activists. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here live from the Bitcoin.com studio. How do we keep the Republican Party strong? Happy Labor Day. It is my conversation with Tyler Boyer, CEO of Turning Point Action. I think you're really going to enjoy this conversation. That is the chief operating officer of Turning Point Action. T.P.action.com. That is T.P. Action.com.

Buckle up, everybody here. We go. Charlie, what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. I want you to know we are lucky to have Charles. Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks. I want to thank Charlie. He's an incredible guy. His spirit, his love of this country. He's done an amazing job. Building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA. We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are

going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country. That's why we are here. Tyler has been with us, everybody. Count him. For 10 years. He has been with us for 10 years. He is the mastermind of the campus victory project and also the CEO of Turning Point Action. We have about 35-ish minutes with Tyler. Is that about right? Guys, we're going to blow all of our time today.

But I do want to be able to get some audience questions, and this is going to be all. I want to talk about politics in particular. Elections, what did we learn, the state of, like, what's happening right now, the state of the RNC, the grassroots, the establishment, so much happening. So first, Tyler, how you doing?

Charlie, it's going to be here. I got to match Alex's energy here. Good luck. That's maha energy. That's my high energy. But I'm actually following a lot of those. Protocols. You look great.

Tyler looks great, doesn't he? No more fast food, no caffeine. That's big for you. Yeah, huge. That would, that was into the last election. The number one advice I can give everybody is you got to quit Celsius, all the caffeine, all that. I totally agree. It just kills you.

So if you don't know, it's Celsius. says don't stay away from that stuff the monsters so so Tyler what you ran the largest ever ballot chasing operation in Republican Party history 1,000 full-time people I I was able to take credit for it and kind of watch it from afar but you hired the people you source the people what did you learn through that entire process we had I mean for all those that are listening that I've run a business that have housed hundreds of people in a business, you know that that comes with a lot of struggles. The hiring process alone,

identifying the right people to be able to accept, adopt, a culture, and then get into the job is what's part of building a business. That's what we've done at Turning Point so well on the backs of a lot of really great advisors that have helped us for along the way. So it's great that a turning point, we had a brand that we could attract people to

and that we had a culture that we could attract people to, to a lot of political operations don't have that and so we've been really blessed because people could look at charlie and see the charlie kirk show every single day and go i want to be part of that they could see the brand that turning point USA had built and say i want to be part of that uh that's unique and that's what i think enabled us i mean you and you and i sat down and talked about this and we said we looked around and we said there's nobody actually doing the whole political operation the right way uh see force packs uh they've just for years just kind of come in at the last minute, raise a bunch of money from donors, and then they just

throw whatever they possibly can in the sloppiest way possible at an election. And that's not enough to win. You have to do it the way that the left does it, which is the left has for years been talking and harping about the community organizer model, the relationship building model, every customer that's out there that's a voter, you know, trying to get them to over the line to vote for maybe the first time in a long time or for the first time ever, especially when we talk about the youth voters and why we had so much success and such a dramatic increase with youth voters is because when you focus in your conversations that right way, then it works. And for us, that blends with the hiring process because anyone that understands that and actually gets drills

deep into the process, the brand, the culture of what we're trying to do, it becomes easier. but hiring a thousand people how how what period of time did you have to hire a thousand human beings to go chase ballots in the Arizona son well we were very very lucky because we have again a lot of people who are already near near and dear to us college students but college students volunteers members of TPSA staff uh that people who used to work for us people who used to work for us their parents uncles aunts siblings uh so again that's why it's so important to establish long-term credible organizations in places that matter like Arizona, like other places, other swing states,

we need a turning point-esque operation in every swing state. Yes. But to the point is you still have challenges. You still have to vet every single one of these people individually. You have to look at their entire social media background. You have to pull all of their past, they do a background check on every single person. You can't just hire willy-nilly.

And then when they got hired, you know, as you know, you're aware of many of these issues is you have people who do crazy things. Why the full-time model? Why, Tyler, did you not say, let's just hire people part-time and use volunteers? Why did you make the argument that full-time labor was essential for this operation, the successful operation?

It wasn't even us that made the argument. The left made the argument for us, right? Because the left actually years ago, about 25 years ago, started putting full-time people in every swing state. Blueprint was part of that here in this state. Yeah, so where we are right now in Colorado, this is where it was born. you have the combination of Arabella and Democracy Alliance.

And without getting into all the, what are they? Well, Arabella's essentially the funding mechanism that's able to go out and do a bunch of special projects that enables the left to do a bunch of crazy things. Whenever you see something crazy, you're like, how did that enter the zeitgeist? It probably came from Arabella's infrastructure,

and we have full presentations on this. But here in Colorado is where CODA started, the Colorado Democracy Alliance. And that was intended to replace the Democrat Party in Colorado. Because what the Democrats realized early on that the Republican Party still hasn't figured out is that the party itself, the apparatus, is actually pretty useless. It actually is worse than useless. It gets in the way more times than it actually helps. And so what the Democrats here in Colorado did was they realized, oh, we are going to create a alternate party structure

outside of the party. And again, we're going to call it Democracy Alliance. And this is the permanent infrastructure that we're going to build because we can't count on the Democrat Party to actually show up and do all the right things. And they did that and they did it very well. And they did it so well, they were able to spread it across the entire country and Colorado Democracy Alliance became Democracy Alliance. And our side is still kind of going, oh, well, we got to check in with, you know, with, you know, again, not to throw Mitch McConnell, Mitch McConnell, all of the, I don't think there's any Mitch McConnell fans here. Establishment, establishment checkpoints before you fund everything. But this is an important point.

So the Democrat infrastructure was always outside of the party. And one of the reasons we were able to win in 2016 and 2024 is not because of infrastructure, we help, but because Donald Trump is a once and a hundred year candidate. Would you agree? Yeah. It was just so outrageous, in a good way, like so overwhelmingly positive and popular that it forgave all the sins of the Republican infrastructure. So this is the most important point, Charlie, is that you have to have a candidate. that enables that outside organization organism to actually survive.

So if you don't have candidates that are actually exciting for those people to come take the job and work, for those people to show up and knock the doors and build relationships two years out, you can't do it. Donald Trump actually unlocks something because for the first time in a long time, maybe ever the general populace was like, I want to go work for that guy. And that's what enables that relationship. organizational organizing, community organizing model to work. And so the Democrats have actually been focused on this.

Then this is what Obama in lock for them. Obama was able to get people up out and get people excited. This is actually where they're struggling is because they're at the national level really lacking that interest. Our side has to realize that and realize, hey, moving forward, you know, after Donald Trump, you're going to have to make sure that the people love and want to get up and work for that person who's running. Have you ever heard anyone say this is unconstitutional? Do you assume it's just hyperbole? Have you taken the time to study and understand the Constitution so you know for yourself what is and what isn't constitutional? That's why I'm so excited that Hillsdale College is offering a brand new free online course called The Federalist. The Federalist papers were written primarily by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison. Together they explain how the U.S. Constitution established a government strong enough to secure the rights of citizens.

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C-H-A-R-L-I-E for Hillsdale.com to register Charlie for Hillsdale. So part of what we are building and more specifically what you are building that we're doing together is trying to build an outside party organizational apparatus that is not at odds necessarily with the establishment Republican Party at all times. We'll pick some fights every so often if they go out of control like Liz Cheney or McConnell. Yeah, destructive stuff. Yeah. But instead it is an outside organization, what can an outside organization do that the party itself cannot do? Again, I'm not knocking the R&C. I get along with Chairman Watley. He's running for the Senate. We've come a long way since Ronald McDaniel, McRomney. And Tyler deserves credit because he picked the fight first. We just

finished it. And I believe that if she would remain chairman, Donald Trump would not be president today. I'm sorry. I could prove that point. I think if Rana would have stayed and ran the R&C, Donald Trump would not have won in November. I think she would have prevented Donald Trump's victory, believe it or not. No question. Anyway, and that's not a knock at Trump. That's just a knock at Rana. But so, but Tyler, what can an outside organization do?

Why is it different? How is it funded differently? What are the flexibilities? Why does it matter? So everybody knows there's a number of different things that the party can't do that outside or nonprofits can do. And the first and foremost, and the first big problem is just funding limitations. Parties can only accept so much money in most states.

$900,000. a year. Yeah, and but then it drills down into candidates. So candidates, it's very complicated. Candidates can only collect so much per person per year. When you get into the outside, obviously we know independent expenditures, things like that. But this is the problem that exists. The candidate cycle in America is essentially two years, right? So most people don't announce that they're running more than two years before they're actually going to run. It's typically less than that. The average is is usually less than a year, believe it or not. And there's no possible and fundamental way

that you can build a campaign infrastructure that can do all the things that are necessary to win if the other side is doing them full-time. So the first and foremost is hiring door knockers, hiring people that are going to make build effective relationships for you out in the field. The second is legal. There's no way that you're going to be able to fight a fight

with someone in the remaining 60 days of the election. if your opponent's been basically crafting an entire legal strategy against you for two to four years. And this is part of what the law fair thing has been done to Donald Trump that nobody ever talks about. And to you. Is the outside, yeah, and to me, which is, you know, we're winning this thing. But, you know, you have a real struggle with that. The third thing, which is most critical with parties that people never talk about, too, is that most people don't realize those that have been involved, who here has been involved with, like, their local Republican party? Okay. little more than half the room if you've ever walked in though that's more than

expected when you walk in how has your experience been in that in that fundamental time the DMV is better it's a little it's a little crazy I'd rather go through TSA it's it's a little gritty sometimes you walk in there's like kind of just fighting happening that's going on you don't really know what's going on and people they have fax machines everybody some of it's really old so when I took over when I was the county chairman of Maricopa County over 10 years ago now. It's amazing. 10 years ago.

I was in my mid-20s, and my average precinct committee minimum was 71. So there's sometimes a cultural divide that happens. But the most critical part is that most of those jobs for leadership are two years or less, right? So they're two years. The average state party chair, Charlie, only serves for a year. States like Hawaii have gone through like five or six

the last couple years. So you have a real problem when you have the party leadership only being able to survive for months, and by the time they get in, they get their feet wet, they're figuring it out, it's our six months down the road, they're almost checking out

by the time they check in. So there's no way for the party itself to actually do the job that everyone claims when they become chair that they're doing. And that was the Rana problem that you brought up. The fundamental problem with Rano, she was going across the entire country,

telling everyone she was doing all the work that was necessary to win, and upon further inspection, none of that was being done. so so then how are we at turning point action going about fixing this yeah so the outside model works we proved that this last election cycle the largest swing of any state was arizona and it wasn't by any mistake it was hard uh nose to the grindstone boots on the ground as charlie says tennis shoes and clipboard work we gave it all we had that was throwing absolutely

everything you possibly can we threw everything we had everything everything I mean We literally just like unleashed on the state. And the outcome was exactly what we expected. Was that there was a, we had a body of about 400,000 people who did not vote in 2016 or 2020. And Charlie brought up something earlier today. That was a really funny story. We had people that we knocked on their doors. They were the biggest Trump fans that you've ever seen in your entire life.

In fact, there was one story that I tell all the time. A guy we knock on his door, he did not vote in the last two elections, including 2020. knock on his door and start talking to him. He's like, what do you do for work? And our person said, oh, I work for turning point. They're like, wait a minute. They closed, slam the door, run around to their garage, open up their garage, over their garage. And it's like, oh, a shrine to trump every Trump flag that you can possibly have.

And on top of that, turning point, because in 2020, in 2022, the Republican Party ran out of yard signs for Trump. So we started producing our own. We produced tens of thousands of yard signs and key targets. States and gave them out. Yep. This gentleman had every single turning point action yard sign for Trump. Did not vote in that election.

Did not vote in that election. The real thing, guys. And Charlie, the number one thing that we ask people, we, we assume that when we talk to people, their number one reason for not voting was they just didn't care about voting. Not true. That's not true. That's not right. The number, you don't remember what the number one thing is?

They didn't know how or they thought they already did. Well, that's the other thing. Right. They said, I voted for Trump in the primary two years ago. Doesn't that count? Can't they just, like, grandfathered in? This guy who did not, this guy who did not vote had voted sporadically in primaries. He'd voted sporadically in other midterm elections or not less important elections like, like city council stuff that's off the grid and stuff like that. So he was kind of in and out, but missed the presidential, the big one because he thought.

And he missed the Kerry Lake election. And he swore up and down, he had voted. And so you have a. And we know because we have the voter file. Right. All the data. It's there. And it wasn't like, oh, well, his ballot got rejected and came back. He didn't vote. He did not turn in his ballot. And so, you know, you have these situations where you have people that are under the impression that they voted. There's a subset of people who just wake up and it's the bad, it's the worst day of their month or year is on election day. There's a percentage of America that that's that. The second is that you have a, you have a bunch of people who legitimately think that watching Fox News is voting. Correct. Or listen to the Charlie Kirk Show. Even worse, giving money to Trump is voting.

They're like, they're like, oh, I give five bucks a month. That's my vote. Yeah, my poor grandmother, and this is why I actually believe this. My grandma just called me again. My grandma's in her mid-80s. She's getting up there and she's kind of losing side of thing. She just called me the other day. And she said, I just got another message that I've been taking off the Republican Party rolls.

What's going on? No, it's these predatory emails that they've got to stop sending. And it's the emails. But this is part of the problem that you bring up, Charlie, is when people, donate then, they think that they've done something. And it's actually replacing voting habits by sending these predatory emails. I agree. That's actually really, really bad. And the R&C when it does it or whoever else that does it campaigns. There's no excuse for it. You can't do it because it's hurting those email messages you guys get, right? I feel like they've calmed down a little bit the last

couple months, maybe. I don't know. No, they haven't. My grandma just called me. Do you guys still, are they still doing it in the summer of 25? And my grandma will listen to this because she's a, She's a Charlie Kirk super fan. I love it. And she's on rap every single day. Like it's like her entire, it's, she, she watches and listens to you more than she listens to my mom who's supposed to be taking care of her right now. So, uh, so anything you say she's going to do.

But this is, but this is part of it. So she's going to hear this. But this is part of it is that it's really critical for us to focus first and foremost. This is why a turning point and turning point action when we send out emails, we are talking about the things that we're doing. Yes. The work that we're doing. Real work.

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Yes. What is the plan? How do we get the Lindsay Grams? Chuck Grassley's great on almost everything, but he's terrible on this blue sipling. This is where their grassroots is the most frustrated. They're like, okay, we voted for Trump, we donate, we knock on doors. Why are our Republicans so terrible? how do we fix that well i'm going to tell you something that you're not going to like

okay first the first thing is that we're like some of this is just got to time itself out which is like they have to decide to resign and go back and you know i think america was intended to be uh what george washington and thomas jefferson intended to be which was go in do your job and get the heck out right go in be there for a short amount of time and then go enjoy your grandkids and go enjoy your family and your business that you built your entire life and your state.

Totally. And this is the biggest problem. Like, and I'll use Arizona as an example. John McCain was not in good health when he decided to run his last time. He died in the middle of his term. People lost their minds when everybody said,

are you sure you're in, when a couple of people asked the question, are you sure you're in good enough health to run again? He could have easily stepped down. And you know what that would have meant for Arizona? that a consolidation would have happened. We would probably still have another Republican Senator at least one. That's so true. Because in 2016, we would have had, we had the ability to get somebody in there and then the Democrats didn't spend $100 million each cycle.

Yep. And so it's a selfless thing to get in, I think, into public office and then make the self-determination that I'm not going to be there forever. And I think that that's an education thing that's really important that turning point is doing and turning point action is doing we have the mount vernon project educate go really quick scorecard mount burning project all the stuff so we have one of the most inclusive scorecards that's in the conservative movement what's the website tpaction dot com slash scorecard we rewrite all members of the house and the senate right all of the federal members and then we actually have started in on the states so you can go in at the state legislative level now and actually look at how your people are doing and we put it all right there all in real time most

scorecards don't do things in real time. They go back years. Ours is in real time so you know how they're doing in real time. The second thing we have is Mount Vernon Project, which is we focus mainly on the Republican National Committee because the Republican Party, if it gets fixed, a lot of the country gets fixed. Part of the reason why to follow up your question is like, what do we do about some of these people? Well, you know, it would be nice that the Republican Party had Cajonis every once in a while and would step up and say, hey, you know, Lindsay, your time's up, dude. Like, it's done. Enough of this. Wait. Your state doesn't have term limits, but guess what we have here at the Republican

party? It's term limits. So you're done or whatever, right? Like that, you don't need laws on term limits if your party's actually enforcing term limits. Yep. And so a lot of people, it drives me crazy when people are like, oh, well, I guess we don't have term limits. And sometimes we get a good person in and we want them in for 40 years. And it's like, yeah, but that's like one out of a million, right? Like you only have so many of those. Most are horrible at that in part of their career, and we got to get them out. And they're totally disconnected by the end of their terms, by the way, with the general public. Let's do 10 minutes of questions. And we have Dr. Orr in 10 minutes. We're just going to keep flowing everybody. So let's do some questions because

this, Tyler in particular, I know, elicits a lot. So let's, and I'll say, I'll say this real quick while Ryan, will you get ready for your hands here? Raise your hands, guys. We're working our butts off. of our team right now is working their tails off on Arizona, New Hampshire, Nevada. We've laid the groundwork in Iowa for all 99 counties for heading into 2028. We have a great amount of work that's going on to. So happy to answer questions. We have about 10 minutes. Yes, ma'am.

Are you guys seeing a movement of money from the RNC, from the Republican Party and individual donors, over to turning point in other groups that are spending time on the... Yeah, let me start there. Yes, but we're not trying to take donors away from the RNC. If donors want to stop giving the RNC, that's all of your own agency and ability. But yes, let me talk more about the NRSC than the RNC, because we want to have a good working relationship with the RNC. It is up to no one's benefit, not to the country, the RNC, or Trump best interests

for us to be at war with the RNC. We were at one point, and that was a necessary fight that we forced, right, Tyler? But it was a headache, honestly, right? But we won that fight. finish fights and we win them. However, the NRC, a lot of donors are coming to us and they're like Charlie, instead of giving $500,000 to some pack, I would rather give $500,000 to take a state over for the next 20 years. So we're seeing a lot of donors come to us that believe that don't get the same sort of presentation that we had this morning that's in-depth, detail, and metric-driven, Tyler.

Yeah, I think the craziest thing about the RNC, and this still is, is, is, takes you know you have to understand the construct of the republican national committee it's 168 members and most come from states that are deep red or deep blue right so the people who need the most assets and resources are actually the minority voices there and and don't forget and again no no shade on our our folks in guam and the northern mariana islands and puerto rica but they have a vote they have a vote an equal vote so the my vote whenever i was you know speaking speaking up for Forget about free speech on the RNC, but when I was voting on things, my vote was getting canceled out by the vote in the Northern Mariana Islands. And we needed the most assets.

And so that's extraordinarily frustrating. I think there's a huge construction error that's at the RNC, just with how it operates, which makes it really difficult to focus on the key target states that they need to focus on. I think the immediate thing that the Republican National Committee could do that would lend a lot of help to the NRC and the NRC is by, sitting down the day after the election's over in November and saying we're going to decide right now what our key targets are for and we're going to go through and then everybody is going to get on board for this and we're going to get everybody to vocalize with a raised hand that they're on board for this so that we don't have knifing each other all throughout the two years heading into the next election cycle and and I really actually feel bad I felt bad at times

for Ron I feel bad for the chair that that's in that position because they sometimes just look like they don't know what to do or they have one moment where they can make a big difference and reset restack the deck in a way that's going to help the republican party and the conservative movement and they're too scared to do it and so you got to have a leader that gets in there and for the future just so everybody knows we can talk about this a length but the republican national committee getting kind of structurally in a better place it's probably going to be good because the democrat party's figured out charlie that they don't really need the DNC to do too much. They just need to do perfunctory things. And that's what we should

be doing. Yeah. And one final thing where we've seen the most donor movement, though, is the small dollar donors. So we have tens of thousands of people that are monthly recurring donors. And as I mentioned, we have half a million small dollar donors across the country, which are, if we get to a million that will be more active donors than the RNC, we think we actually don't know how many active donors the RNC has. But the Trump campaign at its top had about 2.8 million active donors, and that's the most probably ever in Republican politics, right? That's right. Obama, I think, had the most ever at like 3.1, 3.2. Yeah, Bernie Sanders also had a massive list. Bernie Sanders got to like 1.7 small dollar donors. So if turning point, a non-campaign could get to a million,

we would be probably the largest nonprofit of small dollar donors. And all of you guys as investors should be cheering us on to get to that million figure because that's where all of a sudden we become very uncancellable and you kind of have a recurring base. And by the way, if someone's given 10 bucks a month, they're more likely to show up at our events, get their kids involved, start a club America chapter. It is a signal for involvement. Okay, next question. And on that topic, if everybody hears this within the sound of your voice, just gave a couple bucks to TPUSA, turning point action, turning point pack, all three of those websites, TPaction.com. at tpac.com, just a few bucks.

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Incessantly, we talk about this all the time. We are big fans of how elections used to run, which where election day was holy people showed up we don't believe in no excuse mail-in balloting so you have excuse and no excuse so you have states that like florida there you have to give a little bit more of excuse and states like arizona where they're like literally you can show up and order a ballot for anyone and they want to do it this is part of the reason why the left pushes no-excus mail-in balloting or motor voter laws all the time they want to automatically register everyone and have ballots floating around everywhere because they know they historically have been able to outperform us on ballot collection.

And this is what's hugely problematic. One of the things in Arizona, I was just talking with Charlie about this, is the Yochava voters. The un-uniformed officer overseas votes, the left is constantly equipping nonprofits to change the rules and then re-register people from one state to another. So, you know, we know that the margins are thin. we went over today 17,000 votes for governor in Arizona 280 votes for attorney general in Arizona unbelievable in in 2016 in new hampshire 2,500 votes the president lost to Hillary clinton by 2,500 that's like nothing right to drop in the bucket in Nevada we saw this just

recently Adam laxalt should be a u.s. senator should we would have 54 Senate seats right now if it wasn't for 26 2300 votes yeah and 15000 was the Lombardo won by so like basically nothing. All they're doing is that, Charlie, they're going to foreign countries and they're taking people who haven't lived in America. There's millions of overseas voters. Expatts, yeah. And they're expats.

And they're re-registering them to states that matter if they're a Democrat. And this is horrifying stuff. And there's law, there's federal laws that should be in place on this. They're not. The second thing I was just telling Charlie about, these votes, they can, you can basically fax in a vote. They want to make it so you can take, you can vote by cell phone. and each of, with the overseas voters.

You understand how terrifying this is. All they'll have to do is re-register five or 10,000 more voters to each of these states that come close. And they can, they have basically the cheat code for the rest of eternity in these states. There's nothing more important and nothing that we should be taking. I was so happy to hear the president talking about this, yes, after Putin had said, hey, you know, by the way, your elections are still kind of flawed. And so the president was on. it yesterday. The president of Russia is telling us that our elections are proud. And people are like,

nothing to see here. Don't worry about it. Right? And the KGB is like, yeah, it's, it's completely flawed. The Fesba's done. But you have a opportunity right now with the president and a Republican-held Congress to actually fix a lot of these things. And they can't even get confirmations done. We've got to get this done. There's no question they got to get this done before the midterms. But I'm hoping for our, that we can contribute to the midterms so we can complete the This is one of the reasons why Trump's got to get his people. We need to do a lot of civil lawsuits to clean the DOJ needs to go in. And Harmeet Dillon is doing this to her great credit.

And she's a 10. She's doing an incredible job. Yeah. And she needs more help. She needs to expand her office. The Civil Rights Office of the Department of Justice needs to sue L.A. County, Maricopa County, for voter role violations because they're violations of the Civil Rights Act to get the dead voters off the voter rolls. Okay.

Last question. Yes, sir. Make it quick. And then we've got to get to Dr. Orr. Yeah. What are you guys doing to manage and understand the biases that are being trained into AI? yeah because it doesn't really kind of mostly go our way on that so as it FYI yeah it's super concerning I think I mean I'll let Charlie speak to this because he probably has more insight but

I was most excited about Elon coming to our side because probably like Elon helped fix the the social media war on Republicans he's probably going to be our biggest ally over the course the next 30 years we should keep him on our side to solve this problem because that's he's eccentric we want him on our team not their team period well we talked about this in our chat charlie there are what meta and other groups are funding to hundreds of millions to billions of dollars individuals i mean there are individuals that are working on AI they're getting paid 100 200 million dollars individually like some of the some i mean i would assume these are some of the sharpest minds that we have the AI race is insane right now and they're spending a ton of money and we don't know who

these people are like you know Someone brought up a good point. I think Blake brought up this good point. It's like we know who pro football players are who are making $100 million. You know, we know LeBron James, right? You know these guys.

We probably should know the names of the people who are probably going to be impacting us individually. Yep. And it's such a big way. So I will say I'm glad Elon is still signaling that he's not a man in the left. He still believes in what he said previously. He's just, I think, had a personal fallout,

which I hope can be remedied. Yep. Because GROC is okay, but it's not as good as chat. GPT. It's just not. I don't know if anyone cares about this. I could talk about AI all day long. But GROC needs to grow because we need a non-woke AI, period. You need a non-woke AI. And GROC even has some problems. But yeah. Well, I was just going to say, too, Charlie, this can come in super useful for us and how we contact voters. Yes. Yeah, and I'm not talking about Elon robots talking to voters. Like, we don't need that, but we need human to human interaction. But the hardest thing with our voter interaction, and as we've developed technology, is teeing up the conversation.

So your conversation is going to look a lot different than my conversation would be with a voter. So AI can be actually very useful and helpful to be able to read data, manipulate it quickly, bring it, spit it back. Find trends. And so how Charlie might talk to the voter and how I might talk to the voter might be very different and find different trends that we align with. Yeah, AI could say, okay, here's 50 things we know about Joe Smith, Plummer, Cardinals fan, but write a script that has a 90% likelihood of working. And also take into consideration you and your stuff. So your conversation becomes much more organic and natural when you talk to him for the first time. Tyler, you're doing an awesome job.

He's going to be around late, everybody for more questions. I'm here. Thanks, Charlie. Good job, man. Thanks for listening. Everybody. Email us as always Freedom at Charliekirk.com.

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