The Charlie Kirk Show - Why Megyn Kelly Stayed Quiet

Episode Date: December 22, 2025

Megyn Kelly was conspicuously quiet during dramatic events early this month. In her CK Exclusives sit-down interview at AmFest, Megyn explains how she was involved in the background of the Erika Kirk/Candace Owens meeting, then discusses her attitude on intra-right denunciations and the Israel issue, before fielding questions from the audience.   Join future AmFest Exclusives interviews by becoming a member at https://members.charliekirk.comSupport the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's, of course, the affordability crisis. Yeah, let's do that. Yeah, I mean, like, you know, thank you for joining us and making the time. You are in demand. You went from one thing to the next, the next. You had a delay getting here. So I just want to give Megan Kelly serious kudos. that she still showed up for all of you and for this podcast.

God bless you for that. I would not have missed it. Of course. Love you guys. Thank you. Love you guys. Megan, so I do want to give you a chance to just kind of, people didn't understand the role you were playing behind the scenes, and I understood it, and I wasn't at liberty

to explain what you were doing behind the scenes, but I actually think I want to say thank you because there was very few people that could have filled that role that you were attempting to play and you were holding your fire even though your audience was like demanding you weigh in on certain things and you didn't you were disciplined and professional so I know exactly what you did and why you did it and I want to vouch for you as a third party that understood why you were you know remaining out of the fray and you took a lot of heat from that what was that like you know so thank you for that well it's annoying to me to be attacked by people who don't know what they're talking about right so it's one thing

if you have your doubts like, why isn't she saying this about that or this about the other thing? And then maybe you reach out to me and say, is there another reason? Like, is there something I don't know? But to see people who I consider like long-term friends go out and publicly call me a coward when you and I both know how much we've talked behind the scenes about how to handle this problem, what are the options, what do we all think is the best option? You too, Blake, we could do this, we could do this, we could do that. Let's try this. Maybe we'll do a baby step this way.

You know, we've all been talking for months. And then it graduated to, you know, it was ramping up. And then Erica called me. And it was her idea to meet with Candace. And she said, I want to do it. And I originally said, are you sure you want to do that? Like, you know, Candice said one word from you will silence this. And maybe you just have to give her a word.

it. Maybe if you just send her a note or a letter. Try. Try peace. Like maybe Candice wants an off-ramp potentially. I don't know. I don't know Candice that well. I know her a little. I've gotten to know her a little better over the past few months. But Erica really didn't want to do that. She thought it was important that it be like an in-person meeting and that she allow herself to be subjected to whatever questions Candice had. And she said, will you please be a part of that with me? Like, will you go with me? And of course I said, yes, I'll go. And at that moment, I felt it was, I was very lucky that I hadn't been leading attacks against Candice because, I mean, obviously I disagreed with her on all the things she said about you guys in Turning Point. And I said that on my show many times.

I mean, it made very clear to everybody. I don't agree with these theories. And this is what I think happened. And all the evidence suggests it is this man and whatever. But I was very happy that I hadn't gone scorched earth on Candace Owens because I was in a position where I would have been acceptable. to her. And sure enough, she and I had a text exchange shortly after mine with Erica, where she was like, I'm glad it's you. Yes, I'll do it. And I just, excuse me, just saw Erica backstage and she said, you can say whatever, you can tell everybody what's happened. But

the original plan was that we were going to have a live stream on the day you guys were going to do the live stream. In Arizona was the first plan. Erica, Candice, and yours truly, as more of a facilitator. Those two were going to do it. and I was going to be there just to keep everybody within the lines. And then Candice said she was facing a security threat out here in Arizona and that she couldn't, she wasn't going to come. And Erica said, I'll come to you, which I was surprised. Erica said that, you know, because if Erica didn't really want to do this,

she easily could have been like, okay, I offered. But she was like, no, I'll come to Nashville. Try it again. So I was like, wow, like, Eric's strong. She's like, she's going through a lot right now, and she's got her kids, and she had just come off of, like, Charlie's book tour was in the middle of it, so it was like a lot. And I will say, to her credit, Candice actually wound up saying okay to that, though the live stream idea died. And they wound up deciding that they would just meet the two of them since they weren't going to put this out on the airwaves from public consumption, which was fine with me, and I thought that was a good idea. And look, I mean, it's up to them to talk about, you know, what did and did not happen there.

but the initial impression, I think it's fair to say, from both women, was that it went well and that it ended in a much better place than where it started. Now, will that hold? What's more fragile? The Gaza Peacefire or this situation? I know Eric is not going to do anything.

The question is, where's Candace going to take it? And I've seen what she's doing this week. I really don't know. My only goal all along has been to try not to take sides, not the turning point thing, but in the Israel battle that's happening in the conservative movement such that I can make room for people who are upset with Israel and not fans of Israel's behavior

and still have room for the people who are ardently pro-Israel as I have been as Charlie was for all those years. And then that morphed like it started off like an insistence that I condemn the people who were anti-Israel into an insistence that I condemn every single iteration of what they were saying forevermore. And then it felt to BLM-E for me and I was like, I'm out. It reminds me of what Russell Brand said from stage,

where he was just like, I'm so against, like, authority. Like, I have to rage against it. And it was like, there is a thing. You know, Tucker's kind of like that, too. When you tell Tucker, he can't talk about something, he's going to talk about it. Like, if you want him to talk about it, just do the reverse psychology with Tucker. You cannot talk about UFOs. And then the guy's going to just go all in on UFOs for like a year and a half.

And that was Charlie, too, where people would say, don't have Tucker at, the event, and I remember him saying, I might have to invite him twice now. Yeah. He just got two speeches. Yeah, we're going to do two speeches. And it was just, he, it was what he said. He hated moral blackmail. Yes. If you want to make the argument that he's wrong, he'd listen to that. But that

argument of you should feel strong armed into not associating with him. He just despised that. Well, it's like, it's not enough that you're not a critic. Like, you're not, okay, so somebody like a Ben Shapiro doesn't like the critics of Israel, or whatever to his latest, you know, point is. Now I was trying to say

it's all about Erica, but it's about Israel. So he doesn't like the people who are critics of Israel. But then he also wants to condemn and excommunicate people who aren't critics of the critics. They also need to go. So who will be standing when Ben is done with us? Truly. Like who, it'll be Ben and Barry Weiss. It'll be great.

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that, and I said this backstage, I was like, that is exactly what Charlie would have said. And you said something about, you know, friends should pick up the phone and call you if they have a problem instead of sneak attack. And I didn't know exactly who you were directing that app, but it was Ben or Barry or both. Want me to read it? Both. Okay, fine. Yeah, we got only cowards take to the national stage or X to attack their friends without. so much as a phone call to discuss it and also didn't tag me because she is afraid laughing emoji laughing emoji laughing emoji I was retweeting a tweet by Barry Weiss which reads oh I can get that too yeah it's attached it was Barry said only cowards tolerate conspiracy theorists Ben Shapiro delivered

a barn burner tonight at TPUSA read the whole thing in the free press and I think it's just a link to his address and okay so let me just tell you something Barry Weiss or over the past five years, has been, like, a good friend of mine. I have advised her in her many legal battles she's had. I have advised her on her failed, non-profit that she tried. I have constantly been there to help her through any sort of tumultuous thing that came her way. We've had drinks together. Like, I know Barry Weiss.

Ben Shapiro has been coming on my show since 2011. Nobody knew who he was. I literally helped make Ben Shapiro's name for him. so I have a lot of very positive experiences in the well with both of these folks and they know that I've been very pro-Israel so what in the actual 11-year-olds 11-year-olds good job I did I'm censoring I know Charlie doesn't no you know Charlie's always always say that he would say I always remember there's 11-year-olds listening I love that it's such a guiding light for me no but yeah so yeah

so I very much felt like this is so out of love line this is so uncalled for who wouldn't call me these guys are they actually know me i'm in both of their cell phones they have my number who wouldn't just call me up and say is there something else going on here that i need to know right like what's going on nope it's it's more fun to go out on the stage and call it a dear friend and ben couch it with oh she's a friend with friends like that um and call them a coward i okay take it up with erika you know i i i did this earlier i'm not do it again. I asked the audience, you know, do you appreciate the Ben Shapiro approach? And about half the hands went up. And I said, do you appreciate the Tucker approach? About half the

hands went up. Sometimes the same hand. Yeah. It was like this. Yeah, what are these? It is very interesting when you look at the divisions on the right, you know, and I, that's why I started this conversation by praising that you were trying to be a peacemaker, that you were trying to hold your fire. And you were actually trying to do the right thing where you were strategically doing something which people interpreted as cowardice, you were actually playing a long game to help bring peace to a situation that was pretty volatile. And that's why I want people to know that why you did what you did, why I did not personally take offense, why I was, you know, all that thing, all those things. And but the divisions are real. And they do tend to come down

along this. A lot of this is the Israel. It's the neocon. It's the Israel issue. And, you know, it's funny. I got a press inquiry going about the, we just celebrate. one of the hostages on stage. And they were at the music festival, 505 days in captivity. And they're like, well, with all the Israel stuff, you know, and I was like, wait, are you conflating a foreign policy debate

with whether or not it's okay for somebody to be held hostage for 5005 days? Why have we lost our ever-loving minds about something? That's a leftist statement. The leftists refused to celebrate when Trump got the hostages out. It was like those emotional videos of the hostages being released. Like, if you can't celebrate that,

you've lost your grip on humanity. But there's no question Israel is dividing the conservative movement right now. And may I just say, for the record, I strongly object. I'm sorry, but it's deeply wrong that we would ever divide America over a foreign country. I do think there is a contingent within the pro-Israeli group that is Israel first. They really are. They're proving it every day. And this is some of what I'm going to talk about tonight, but I don't see it that way at all. not the people who are my enemy are the people who shot Charlie Kirk. It's the people who want all of us dead because we're at a turning point convention. It is not someone who doesn't like Israel or BB Netanyahu or even somebody who has some negative associations with not Jewish

people writ large, but with the Jewish activists who are a bunch of bullies. I understand the criticism against them because I've been on the receiving end of it, notwithstanding the fact that I've never said one word against Israel, not one word. It's my failure to condemn as if I am mother of the internet. It's ridiculous. So I really think these, the pro-Israel advocates, like the most loud and outspoken ones, are the ones who are tearing the movement apart. Yeah. It was interesting because there was a lot made after Charlie was assassinated about the meeting in the Hamptons. Like it became this like, oh, it all went down at the Hamptons and that's why Charlie's dead. And, you know, it's funny, I talked to Charlie, and he's like, ah, it's kind of boring, whatever.

And I talked to all the team, nothing like exceptional, really that exceptional happened, at least in Charlie's mind. And I asked him, I was like, what was the whole point of the Hampton thing? He was like, oh, it was an intervention. I was like, for them on you or you on them, he's like, oh, yeah, for me on them. I needed to tell, like, my Jewish friends, like, they're causing more damage than they are good. And they're driving people away. And I, you know, and then another thing that went viral was you and Charlie's conversation on your show. Right after that.

Yeah, where he was just like, so. annoyed at the moral blackmailing and it's like we are we are your friends you know you you don't he found it repulsive yeah he did and i and i and you know and i try and have a sensitivity for it and i sympathize with it because you know just like you i have been pro israel my whole life i've never really even questioned it you know uh i like them better than the other guys you know like as an american i mean you know we have similar enemies you know i love the holy land i love like that my Lord and Savior walked there, you know, and that they are good stewards of a lot of those holy sites. But, you know, when you get to a point where you're like your friends have gone

through this traumatic situation, October 7th, you try and have sympathy for that and understand that it's been a traumatic experience. But, you know, we have to find a way through here, a third way through. And I think that's what Charlie was doing. He was trying to fight for a larger conversation that more people could feel a part of. Totally agree. Both of us were. And that's why I want to He came on that show, you and I have talked about this many times, but when he came on my show on August 6th, which was post the intervention, we were not planning

on discussing Israel. I'm trying to get my exact timing right, because he came on once a month, so I think that was the August 6th one. We were not planning on discussing Israel at all. I just knew. I knew from seeing him at the Student Action Summit where we had a backstage exchange that he had had it,

and I was feeling the same. I was like, this is very annoying. I had said almost nothing, about Israel. Literally, I'd gone on Pierce Morgan and said, I think it's time to wrap it up for them because their approval rating is plummeting, like the popularity of Israel and Netanyahu in America. They've already lost the liberals. They've lost independence. They're starting to lose Republicans, especially the young people, which is who Charlie spent his life surrounded by, so he knew too. And for that, the brigade turned. And they were very, very angry that I said at the

student national summit that Epstein, if he was being controlled by anybody, any sort of foreign intelligence service, it was probably Mossad. Antisemite. That's an anti-Semitic. Literally Benjamin Netanyahu just sent out a tweet saying that within the past 20 days. Is he anti-Semitic? So it's like both of us were feeling this is insane. Like if they'll do this to two ardent advocates who have been on their side openly and avowedly for two years now since 107, not to mention before that, then they'll do this to anybody. And it really did cause me to start looking harder at some of the claims that they've been throwing out of anti-Semitic. And to your point, Andrew, I'm going to say something else.

And this is their fault. This is their fault. I've also been somebody who's knee-jerk supported Israel my whole life. And then I got to Fox, and you had to. It was not a question. Like, you must support Israel, which was fine, because that was my natural inclination anyway. But it's only now that I'm starting to reevaluate, do I support Israel? Like, what is it about Israel that I support?

Why have I been so knee-jerk defensive of them? Is there another side to consider? Have I been intolerant of people who have a different argument on this? And do I need to do some soul-searching on my certainty about what white hat warriors they are? And I'm telling you, it is not Hamas or the Palestinian protesters on Columbia campus who got me to start thinking that way. it is the bullies who are trying to censor speech on our side about this issue. President Trump walked into a catch-22 when taking office.

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upsetting to Charlie. It was in 23, remember, where he just, Charlie speculated, did they have reason that they should have caught the attack on 10-7-1-1-11 happened? He went on Patrick Pitt David's podcast and speculated. He just speculated. He just speculated. He didn't say it was an inside. job, but he was like, they're so good. Yeah, that's someone that's, yeah, like, how did this happen? They need to find it out, or did someone, you know, downplay it or ignore something?

And he gets denounced as an anti-Semite by someone in one of those op-eds. And it was, I strongly suspect that that attack, it was someone who already just didn't like turning point. They didn't like Charlie's position on the RNC. They didn't. Three of them that did it. Yes. And their names will not be mentioned because it's not worth.

Yeah, it's not worth it. But they just saw this as some sort of opportunity to attack. Charlie. And to use an attack that severe in such a cynical way was very reckless. Without looking at at all at Charlie's prior history of supporting Israel, going to Israel and so on. Well, and we had young Jewish leadership summits. We sent students to Israel to experience the Holy Land, mostly Christians, by the way. And then what happened is this is how these lies get laundered. So these tweets go out in 2023. 2024 at the RNC, they're, you know, these New York Times journalists have to pump out like six stories a day, eight, and when they're used to doing like

one a week, right? So they're not doing their normal fact-checking. The New York Times, it was a Jewish writer out of Chicago. Forget his name, actually, off the top of my head, but he puts out just like a headline. There's maybe 450 words story. Charlie Kirk, long known to have anti-Semitic whatever, is speaking at the RNC. One of Israel's biggest supporters is labeled in the New York Times as an anti-Semite. Then what happens? Charlie gets up to the stage at the R&C, starts giving his address. It's a huge moment for Charlie. And CNN, Jake Tapper, they cut away from Charlie's speech.

And Jake Tapper goes, well, puts out the New York Times article and goes, Charlie's long had a reputation and a history of vile anti-Semitism. And it's like all fake. It's all fake. And I'm on the phone going like, what? You know, and my job is just like yell at the reporter. And like, you know, Dennis Prager and actually Mark Levine, God bless them both. They, they, I forced the New York Times to basically take their quotes and say,

this is BS and garbage, but the damage was done from three bad faith tweets to his 2024 RNC speech and all of a sudden he's labeled as this. And he's like, what does a guy got to do to not be just like, you know, labeled with the scarlet letter here? Yeah. No, it's the anatomy of a smear. Yes. But I, like, look, I, this sounds so trite, but truly almost all of my closest friends are Jewish. Just so, I mean, I've been living on the Upper West Side of Manhattan for the past 10 years. And I really believe that there is a serious objection even amongst a lot of Jewish Americans to the bullies. Because you could write an article like this. That's what you just told us is the anatomy of a smear. But you could write a similar article, the making of an

anti-Semite that would start with these bullies trying to censor, harass, misrepresent, strong arm. this is no way to get people over to your side. It is BLM. And they really need to listen to me because I have an unblemished record on support for Israel. I do. Not to mention American Jews, of whom I was extremely defensive. I wanted all those guys deported at Brown and Columbia,

all these people who are visa holders out there protesting, globalize the intifada. Get out. Get out. We don't want anti-Semex here. But they need to look internally, these bullies who are running this COVID. It's the black square from BLM. You're right. If you didn't post it, then you're a racist.

And it's, it's, there is an element of that with, uh, the identity politics of it all, uh, with, with, with, when we're, when we're discussing Israel. I mean, I remember Charlie's tweet that you, that you, that you put out, not his tweet, your internal message. the one that you gave to the FBI Oh, okay, yeah, we're going there. But it said, it's said in there, like... What do you mean? I have no idea what you mean. I have not revealing anything. Andrew already revealed this while ago,

but like, it said something like, and look, it wasn't perfectly phrased, but it said something like, these Jewish donors are behaving, like, so according to stereotype or something like that. Yeah. Which I know, that's not polite.

He was loosely talking in a, by the way, this is a private conversation. But I know what he was trying to say. He was like, you're doing the thing, that people stereotype you for doing that most of us defend you against to me. That's what he was saying. Well, and there was a larger conversation

that, you know, Charlie was toying with this idea of like, maybe we just were defending Western civilization, you get to be a part of that. That was kind of one of the ideas we're throwing out. But, you know, the issue was, you know, Charlie is not Jewish. And he would go to some of these campuses.

And, you know, you're wrestling with young people over these. these ideologies and these ideas, and he would get 50 to 60% of his questions at some campuses on this one issue. He made Blake read like 48 books about Israel just to, like, arm him with, like, you're basically Jared Kushner now. That's what we were doing the night before was we were war planning if you get all these questions about it, because we just knew it could be an absolute bombardment on that topic. Were you seeing young conservatives start to ask more questions? Oh, that's all it was. That was 50 to 60% of the questions.

sometimes it was really big I just remember very shortly after I started with Charlie I was telling him because he'd already had the the Groyper experience in 2019 with spam him but I think he had compartmentalized that and shortly after I started I was telling him Charlie this is going to be coming there's going to be a huge wave of more overt anti-Semitism on the right among young people because that's just that's clearly what the trend is headed towards and he took that to heart I saw him bring that up in conversations with people and he was trying to give them a heads up and that's what would cause a lot of this anger is he would come to them in love and say guys you have a huge problem coming and you need to adjust your strategy or you're going to be caught really badly off

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I knew people on both sides, like Glenn Greenwald and Ben Shapiro are diametrically opposed on this issue and have been for a long time. Both Jewish. Both Jewish and they both come on my show regularly for years. So I know them very well. And so I could listen to Glenn talk about Israel in a way that I didn't really agree with at all, but he's so smart that I, and I love him, he would educate me. You know, I'd learn some things about Israel. I was like, oh, that's actually not great.

Okay, that's good to know. And then I talked to Ben, and he'd have good defenses on these things, and we'd go back and forth. So I think you have to make space. I'm sorry, I hate that phrase, for both sides. It's very hodocopy.

This you didn't say safe space. Yeah, exactly. They're all bad. Anyway, show some empathy, like actually try to listen to the friends about their grievances, and it doesn't have to be, that's not talking about the other friends behind their back.

That's you really trying to understand what the grievances are. And I generally am of the feeling that when you're talking to people, even if it's people you oppose ideologically or what have you, if you can give them a couple of points, you're going to advance the conversation. They're going to like you more, they're going to trust you more, and you could make inroads with them better,

as opposed to just being like, well, I disagree. Well, you cheated with her boyfriend. You're terrible. Like maybe it's more like, why would you do that? Like, what was it? what made you you know like inquisitive without judgment i think is the way to handle it love yeah

yeah love thank you i had a second question um or a question so i have a friend that i go to college with he's been you know he's very involved he's a geopolitician you know but he's also a liberal he has been criticizing me for my support of israel and he's been bringing up uh history lessons such as the U.S.S. Liberty, I believe, attack that happened and told them, like, why are we supporting Israel? Literally, they're trying to take out Iran and then including with trying to control Gaza and trying to, and, you know, they're attacked back on Gaza after what Hamas did to Israel. And I told him, you know, I disagreed with him, but, then all the sudden, how can I, you know, and we can have civil conversation, but when it

comes to, when it comes to trying to criticize Israel or try to like be soft on the issue, but then when it comes to Hamas, like he tries to just, not justify it, but like, be light about it. You should go read the Hamas charter and your argument is going to get a lot better. Yeah. I think you should do what we used to do in the law, which is the best way to argue your side is to prepare the other sides first. Like go, go study what it is about the anti-Israel side that he's attracted to, that you think is powerful when he makes points, learn it, understand it,

and then go back and study the pro-Israel side. And you'll be much better equipped to have these arguments. And maybe you'll change your mind somewhat, too. That's fine, too. But honestly, you have to be very careful about the media on Israel because there are manipulations both ways. It's a very heavy propaganda game here. I trust real clear politics.

I go there every morning, and they'll have op-eds from both the left and the right, including on Israel. And that's one place that won't corrupt your beautiful mind. So maybe start there. Yeah. But he's raising a good point about the moral inconsistencies that are applied to Hamas versus Israel. Israel has definitely held to a much higher standard, I would say, than Hamas. And that's because specifically on the left, because they look at the world through an oppressor-oppressed lens.

and so if they qualify you as the oppressed, then basically you can do whatever you want, and you're not guilty of anything. That's right. Hi, Megan. My name's Ashley, and I just want to thank you for being here. I have a quick question.

What cultural issue do you think conservatives should be talking about more, but we just aren't? Well, I hate to say it, given what's happening this week, but pot. Marijuana. Amen. I really do.

I think, like, this, I'm totally against, like, making it more accessible, And I understand Trump is trying to make it allegedly more accessible for people who need it for medical purposes. But today's pot is not the pot that we were up with back in the 80s. Though I've never tried pot. Do you believe it? Yeah, never tried a drug of any kind other than alcohol.

There we go. Neither the body nor the mind. Yeah. Listen. It was, no, actually, I was in Nevada. Tell us everything. What you do? No, it was, no, I was on a basketball party.

one of those again and um and uh totally i went total paranoid yeah i hated oh that doesn't sound oh it was terrible terrible experience well i was before i became a question is like going to it's already posing a serious problem and we one of the things we're seeing in these mass shootings is marijuana comes up over and over and and it comes up you probably haven't even heard that because it's like a footnote to the reporting nobody's like giving that credence as possibly one of the factors playing in, and they should. Just read Alex Berenson and what's in today's marijuana and what it's doing. He was here today debating why he's against weed. And actually, anytime this debate would come up, we'd bring Alex Berenson on. He's phenomenal on this issue.

As always, turning point is ahead of the curve. They're on it for you. But yeah, that would be my answer. Yeah. And by the way, even with the story with Tyler, Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs, assassin of Charlie, alleged, I guess, I don't know if I'm legally supposed to say that or whatever. He did it. But the point is, you know, they were just sitting around an apartment, like vaping THC just constantly. And so you imagine how the potency of it and the psych, what do you call it, the psychosis? Yeah, the psychotropic effects of THC and that high a dosages. I mean, and if you're young and you're using a lot of pot and a lot of weed, it can really impact the rest of your life.

It can really lead to some very terrible things. So I love that answer. Look at those videos of that Ascension school shooter. This is the most disturbing things I saw this year. Oh, those are awful. Awful. You know, this school in Minneapolis where this shooter killed children going to their Christian school and to the church. And he's showing all these demons in his photos.

He sees himself as a demon. He's giggling to himself the whole time. And in every video, he's smoking weed. And it's like, no one talked about it. Like, okay, it's supposed to pretend it's just like a, like, like, half a glass of Shabli, which it's not. I mean, I'm a complete believer that when you use hard drugs or maybe just a lot of THC, which is a hard drug, actually, when it's at those dosages, that it's a highway to hell,

that it opens you up to dark forces because you lose control of the things that God gave you to control your mind and your heart and to keep bad things out. Can I just add one other thing? The guy who started the psychedelics clinic at Johns Hopkins University and was the godfather of psychedelics, all this stuff of the MDNA and all the stuff that people take ketamine. He told me in an interview we did that if there's any history of schizophrenia in your family, any, and it can go way back and we don't know. And you go in, even in a controlled setting, what she said is the only way you should ever do one of those drugs.

Some people do it for cancer, depression, there are good reasons to try it. You can have a psychotic break from which you never. return. Yeah. You never return. It's very dangerous what these people are playing with. And that Lance Twigs, like, I think one of the reports was that he had mushrooms in there. LSD, black market HRT, hormone replacement therapy.

The guy was, yeah. All of that must be looked into. Yeah. Yeah, well, this was uplifting. Megan Kelly, give it up for Megan Kelly, everybody. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Thank you for having me.

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