The Charlie Kirk Show - Why Won't Zohran Mamdani Use A Fork?

Episode Date: July 2, 2025

Zohran Mamdani is going viral for a gross video where he scarfs down a rice bowl with his bare hands. Charlie explains how this little show of Third Worldism is an insight into his entire value system. Gianno Caldwell talks about his brother's senseless murder on the streets of Chicago three years ago, and what it says about the causes and solutions to urban crime. Tom Homan explains how the Big Beautiful Bill will accelerate a wave of big beautiful deportation flights. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!  Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com! Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They say, well, what about burgers and pizza? Yeah, that food is designed that way. Rice, since we have utensils, you don't eat it because we're not in the third world with your hands. since we have utensils, you don't eat it because we're not in the third world. With your hands. This is Zoran Mamdani eating disgustingly talking about the struggle of Palestine. It's so contrived. Play cut 251. So the third holy grail of taboos in American politics, you have socialism, you have Islam, and then you have Palestine. And you are really going for the trifecta. Let's go baby. Let's go, baby. Let's go.

Tell me, why is Palestine a part of your politics? When you grow up as someone, especially in the third world, you have a very different understanding of the Palestinian struggle. So he's not even eating with his hands correctly. People that have grown up in the third world, they say he's not even doing it right. He's just faking it. He's doing this to signal his third world cred. So think about it. To get credibility in the New York mayor's race,

you have to pretend to be in the third world. Now understand that in the modern world, authenticity is considered to be the most important thing ever. But should it be? Now, authenticity, if you're pointing towards something good and virtuous is beautiful. You're authentically trying to be the best version of yourself to be honest if you're pointing towards a moral and transcendent ideal. But Zoran Mamdani is not authentically trying to point New York or aim towards a better city. He's trying to bring New York into the gutter and authenticity without virtue is just narcissism in disguise. Let me say that

again. Authenticity without virtue is just narcissism in disguise. People say well he's just being himself he's so authentic. Okay if a third-worlder comes and starts defecating on the side of the street in Times Square, are we going to say, boy, that is, he's being his true and authentic self. He's really being wonderful. No, we have standards in the West. In fact, when I'm raising my daughter and I try to teach her table manners, I don't say, just be your authentic self, honey.

Keep on interrupting us. Use your hands when you eat macaroni and cheese. No, in fact, my wife and I, Erica, we go through methodical lessons of here's a spoon. Here's how to use it because we want to elevate the human being above our natural broken fleshly state. 500 million people in India defecate on the side of the street. That's bad. We don't do that in the West because we try to value cleanliness, order, and yes, actually things that aren't filled with filth. Now Zoran Mamdani, he's faking this

entire thing, obviously. He's trying to be authentically third world when he himself is not even authentically third world. So the whole thing is just so bizarre and even more telling, like why would you fake being in the third world? Because that gets you brownie points because people say, oh, he is an embodiment of the struggle against Western civilization. And people say, I like Mom Donnie because he's authentic. But authentic to what? And what is he aiming towards?

He's aiming towards a devolution. It's bad either way. By the way, if he eats with his rice with his hands, whether he means it or not, he's either authentically gross or he's being a fake disgusting person. And in some of the comments of a TikTok video I made, people said, but Charlie,

who are you to judge other cultures? No, no, no, no, that's the point. We in Western culture believe that our way of life is the best. We're better than Muhammadism. We don't do female genital mutilation. Well, I guess the trans people do,. We don't do female general mutilation. Well, I guess the trans people do, but we don't do female general mutilation. We in the West don't have child marriages. We don't believe in honor killings. We don't believe in polygamy. We believe

in American exceptionalism. We believe our culture is better. You see in the modern world, happiness is the goal. Feelings are the guide. Judgment is the ultimate sin, happiness is the goal, feelings are the guide, judgment is the ultimate sin and God is the ultimate guess. And let me say that again, judgment is the ultimate sin. You're not allowed to judge others. Guess what? I'm going to judge you if you eat rice with your hands. That's bad.

That's wrong. Assimilation is a necessity, not a suggestion. And guess what? We don't believe in resentment based confiscation of other people's stuff. The third world loves that. We say no. We say no, you're not gonna all of a sudden have city-run grocery stores

like they do in Cuba or Venezuela. No, you're not gonna send social workers where police should be going. And no, you're not gonna just go take other people's stuff because here in the first world, in America's wealthiest city and largest city, we know how to create wealth. And the third world, they haven't figured it out. Go to South Africa, go to Southeast Asia,

go to most of Sub-Saharan Africa, go to most of the rest of the world. They haven't quite figured it out. We know how to create wealth. In fact, that is the question that perplexes most of humanity. Anyone can take, anyone can destroy. Few can build, few can take risks. Few can build skyscrapers. Few can build trillion dollar companies. It takes no skill or talent for Zoran Mamdani to do what he's doing. And the embodiment of him eating rice with his hands

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Gianno, great to see you. I'm sorry for your loss. Tell our audience about your story. Well, thank you. On June 24, 2022, my life changed forever when my innocent baby brother, Christian, was murdered in Chicago on the South Side. And since then, I've been out for justice, not just for him, but for other families. And I created the Caldwell Institute for Public Safety, at Caldwellinstitute.org. Our organization seeks to go after George Soros funded progressive prosecutors, it just began to expand to mayoral and gubernatorial racists. The book in and of itself,

The Day My Brother Was Murdered, My Journey Through America's Violent Crime Crisis. On that day, June 24th, when I look back at it, I realized that 150 people were murdered throughout our country. People like James from Philadelphia, who was an Army veteran, who oftentimes would go out to a park

at 1 to 2 a.m. in the morning because he had PTSD. On June 24th, he went to that very park that he goes to every week. And there were kids there, some 10, 11, some 14, teenage age. He told them, what are you doing out here this late? You should go home. And they beat him to death with a traffic cone. Or Catherine, who was a wife, mother, grandmother,

out in Texas. She was going home from her job as a chemical engineer on June 24th when a shootout took place on the highway. A drug deal had gone bad. The guy who was selling the drugs was looking to rip off the guy who was buying the drugs and vice versa. She ended up being a casualty on June 24th. Or baby Cecilia, who's from Chicago, was murdered on the same day as my brother, and it was

miles away. Her family was in a car, her mother, father, her brother three years old, and she was five months old, well, four months old, about to become a new age here. And she says, her brother says, my sister's bleeding. They thought it was fireworks. She got shot in the head. There's a lot of tragic stories in this book, and we talk about how bad it is. Regularly, people know that.

But what do we do about it is the question. And I talk to people like Sean Hannity. I talk to people like Dr. Drew Penske about the mental health crisis in our country and the contributions to violence. I talk to people like John Walsh from America's Most Wanted, faith leaders, educators, because I needed to do like John Walsh from America's Most Wanted, faith leaders, educators, because I needed to do something about this. When my brother was murdered, I felt hopeless, but I didn't feel powerless. I wanted to get out there and do something active to save lives. This book is a connection to the very work that we've been doing at the Carvel Institute.

I hope people go out and get a copy of the book that President Donald Trump just recently endorsed. So again, I'm so sorry for your loss. Walk us through what happened that day. Your brother was literally standing on the side of a street, minding his own business, and an SUV pulled up. Why was he murdered? What was the motive?

This is what's so hard for people that don't live in big cities. What what would drive someone to do something like this. So to your point Charlie 3, 4, man African-American with dreads got out the car. They began to fire into this crowd. It was multiple people shot. The detectives on a case repeatedly told me my brother was not the target of this hit. One of the theories of the case that the detectives and I discussed was surrounding a Facebook video. Two guys got into a fight. One was badly beaten up.

It honestly looked like a movie. He got beat up so badly. One guy records it, puts it on Facebook. The guy who gets beat up badly decides that he wants to get revenge for this guy putting up this Facebook video. So six months prior to try to murder him, he goes to California, comes back to Chicago thinking the coast is clear. And after being there for I believe two or three days, he's seen out.

He's standing next to my brother. He's standing next to other individuals and they literally shoot everyone, including the girl that was on the scene as well. So, unfortunately, in Chicago, I know this for certain, only about half of all murders get solved. Half. Was this murder solved? No, and your numbers are correct, half,

but when you look at the black population there, those numbers go down by about 30%. Why is that? Because in the African-American community, they don't believe in talking to the police or AKA snitching, which is a problem in and of itself. A lot of these issues, as you know, Charlie, are more often than not black on black.

These, this is where the victim is black, the perpetrator is black. And then when it comes to the police investigating the crime, no one wants to talk. So where does that lead us? In the same place we started, another loss of life, whereas in the city of Chicago, there's a ton of potential, but most of it lies in graveyards across the city.

So, I just want to make sure I'm clear. You are a nationwide spokesperson. You're so well-respected. You have this incredible book so the your brother's murder is still unsolved correct so what I've been told by the police to me like I know I can't believe it's not like the lack of attention so your brother's murderer likely walks free today so there's an individual who the police found

in a retail store in Rosemont who was causing trouble. They arrested him. They found the murder weapon on him. They didn't know that it was connected to my brother's murder until way after when we got word. I actually found out exactly what happened because of where I work. And this particular individual was wanted for a number of other things, to the degree that the FBI

got involved in the case. Now, from what I understand from my sources, that this guy is going to get life potentially for whatever else he's done. But this is a local case. It's not a national case, even though the FBI has spoken to them many times. I had to go out and lobby members of Congress, chairman of committees, to get the FBI to take a look. They poured in some resources into this case. But if this guy is going to get life, there's no reason for him to talk and tell on other people that are involved, because his life is already over. So I'm still seeking information. I have a $250,000 reward out there for information for anyone that knows what happened on June 24, 2022,

at 117 South Vincent Street in Chicago. And I'm going to keep on the case. I've looked at hiring detective private investigators to figure out exactly what happened, that we can get something done. As you know, Charlie, the Chicago police, a demoralized group of individuals based on the leadership in the city,

the mayors who repeatedly demoralized the police there, they need 2,000 new detectives in order to handle their current workload because of the things that have happened in the city of Chicago. So it's caused me to get out and try to take things into my own hand to fight for my brother because I'm absolutely want to have justice for my brother and bring to justice the people that were involved in this murder. I mean, first of all, God bless you for doing that. And I just

hope everyone understands that even with all of your connections and all, I mean, all happy to text cash and Dan Bongino, they got their hands full, but this is of high importance, you still do not definitive definitively know who killed your brother and it's an important element here, though. potentially the victims because for example the clearance rate which is the technical term in I'm from Wheeling right the suburbs it's like it's 80 to 90 percent right if someone in Wheeling Illinois would pull up and kill you know someone almost certainly it would get figured out it's just amazing if you start having a higher clearance rate that is a deterrent to crime people would realize but when half if you have a 50% chance of shooting somebody up of not even getting arrested.

Well then it's going to keep on happening. Well that that brings about the rub the politicians the local elected officials the progressives that run the city of Chicago. Why is it that they have a policy in place called the no chase policy where police officers have to call their supervisors in order to get permission to pursue a suspect on foot or in a car. By the time that you get the supervisor on the phone and they explain the situation, the person has gotten away. Why do they have a policy in place called the Safety Act, which ends cash bail in the

state of Illinois for most offenses? They have a program there, an ankle monitor program, where they have people who have been accused of murder on house arrest at home. Well, the Safety Act made changes to that particular program. Whereas if your ankle monitor bracelet went out of range, the police would call you, they would come out of your house

and check on you to make sure you were there. Police are not allowed, get that word, not allowed, to go and check on you to make sure you were there. Police are not allowed, get that word, not allowed to go and check on a person in this program for 72 hours with the safety act in place. It is insane, insane and insanity what has been going on in the city of Chicago. And a major part of it is the policies that have been in place. You couple that with Kim Foxx, who's no longer the district attorney there, but she was, she was very soft on crime. This is a woman who took felony cases,

tens of thousands of them, and reduced them down to either misdemeanors or cleared them at all, dropped them. Tens of thousands we're talking about of cases. So where is it that you can actually go and get justice in the city of Chicago? You can't, especially if you're in one of these particular neighborhoods,

and it used to be, as you know, Charlie, the violence and the crime was concentrated on the South Side and the West Side. Now people are robbing folks in Lincoln Park. There are shootouts in front of City Hall. There are shootouts in front of the Chicago Police Department. They're holding people up on Magnificent Mile right outside the Wrigley Building. I mean, under the Wrigley Building, you have people from Hinsdale getting held up.

Yes, no, 100%. You have couples that are getting beat up by these quote unquote children that Brandon Johnson said we should not demonize. Well, if a kid, 14 or even younger, is willing to take someone's life, then to me, that's not a child anymore. That innocence has been gone. You got to try them as an adult,

and you got to throw the full weight of the law onto them, because there's no other choice. If you don't have that deterrent, you don't have a society that's free. Law and order must be the rule of the day in any society. I live in Miami, Florida. It's very safe here. The police do an excellent job here, but we also have politicians who actually care about the people, and they're not concerned about their re-elections in order to do the right thing.

I want everyone to buy your book. It's very important. Gianno's book, The Day My Brother Was Murdered, My Journey Through America's Violent Crime Crisis. Please check out Gianno's book. And again, I'm ticked off that this is happening in our country beyond, beyond measure. And the fact that his murderer goes free. 50% of murderers walk free in Chicago. I want you to think about that 50%. All right, listen up. This is America's birthday. And while we celebrate with fireworks and family, let's not forget this country did not happen by accident. It was built by people who believed in freedom, faith, and family and who were willing to fight for it. That's exactly why I love AMAC, the Association of Mature American Citizens.

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This is an all hands on deck moment. Go to amac.us slash Charlie right now and join. Let's save this country together. So Gianna, let me ask you the root causes, but also how does your passion for fighting America's violent crime now intersect with Mom Donnie's rise in New York? Well, I think this is one of the really big cases that I think a lot of conservatives are looking at, even Democrats who are afraid that the party is going to be what it really is, is the socialist movement is far left, it's progressive, it's defund the police, which is what he supports,

it's abolish all prisons, which is what he supports. This is an individual who I think is a left-leaning lunatic, period. I don't think you can call it any other way when he's talking about defunding the NYS New York Police Department, which is what he actually supported for as a council member. This is problematic on every level. And I think if New Yorkers actually vote him in, I'm not sure that he's gonna get in.

I know some people say, hey, if you want a Democratic party, it's automatic. But there's a lot of Jewish voters in the city of New York City. So I'm not imagining that he may make it over, but there's always a chance. And if he does, New York City is gonna have two black eyes on his hand and the Democratic party especially, because this is what their party has become.

So Gianno, you could say this more freely than I can. What is the root cause of this violent crisis in our major cities? Chicago in particular, I look at family dissolution, education. But whenever I debate this, they're only one thing. They say it's lack of money, lack of money, lack of money. It's always about material wealth, which of course you shouldn't discount. But you and I both know that it's not it's not a resources thing. Can you address that? What is the root cause as to why these cities remain so unspeakably violent? Studies have shown fatherless homes create a 20% more likelihood that a

person will be incarcerated. We see that a lot in the city of Chicago. I think the drug issue is a very big problem. I think people don't talk about it enough, but I talk about it in my book, The Day My Brother Was Murdered, with Dr. Drew about how these rappers and this lean product that they have all these kids addicted to, it numbs them out. So all of a sudden, human life means nothing to you. You're numb to it.

And the fact that you're seeing violence everywhere, that creates another issue. Another consideration with all of this is the fact that these self-doubling crime policies really do have repercussions, true repercussions. If you say, I can steal up to $1,000 worth of items, then what do you think I'm going to do after I've successfully continued to steal

$1,000 worth of items? It's do you think I'm gonna do after I've successfully continued to steal $1,000 worth of items? It's gonna escalate. It's a stare. So now all of a sudden, I'm robbing someone, all of a sudden I'm carjacking someone, all of a sudden I'm shooting and murdering someone. That's a major issue. There has to be discipline in the home.

There has to be leadership. There has to be accountability. And parents, specifically men, we have to do a better job with these children. And that doesn't matter who you are. And it's not racist to name the facts. And the fact that Democrats would often call you racist for naming the facts is quite diabolical. But this is what they've been doing for years. If they don't like the facts, they just call it racist. And that's where we come to.

It's bad for everybody. It's bad for America. It's bad for me. It's bad for Black America. It's bad for our cities. And it's just, I mean, so should we name facts or just let Black kids die unnecessarily? And that's the last, it's the last thought I want to, question I have for you, Gianno, because there's a perception that it's just gangbangers getting killed. There's a lot of innocents that get caught in the cross-country. Absolutely. Can you please just reiterate that? This is not just, first of all, if it was just gangbangers, there's a perception that it's just gangbangers getting killed. There's a lot of innocents that get caught in the crossfire.

Absolutely. Can you please just reiterate that? This is not just, first of all, if it was just gangbangers, there's still human beings made an image of God. That's not something that we should tolerate. But there are like young girls playing in playgrounds that get shot every summer. University of Chicago students that get shot, your brother.

Talk about the collateral damage to this, this urban war that we are seeing. Baby Cecilia is another example that I write about in a book. We're talking about infants. You got senior citizens the same thing and part of the reason that Chicago even have the right to have a weapon which a lot of people have went out and got trained. They've gotten certified.

They have their licensing. They be able to carry their gun, is because of McDonald versus the city of Chicago. It was an elderly gentleman whose house kept getting broken into by young thugs. And they were abusing him and he wanted the right to carry. And that's why across the country, across the nation, we now have that right to have it securely in our house, regardless of what the liberals

in those particular major cities think. We have to change the trajectory of our country. The Carmel Institute for Public Safety stands ready to continue to push that just like we got involved with the George Soros-funded race with George Gaskoen to endorse Nathan Hockman and get involved with his race. So here we are knowing that there's a problem. I write about the solution in a Dave, knowing that there's a problem,

I write about the solution in a day, my brother was murdered book, and I encourage everybody to go out and get it. It is the day my brother was murdered, everyone go purchase it. We'll see you at the student action summit. Look, anyone that talks about Chicago, you got my attention and we shouldn't tolerate it.

We're not gonna put up with just the continued warfare of thousands of people dying in our cities every summer. It's outrageous, we have to put a stop tolerate it. We're not gonna put up with just the continued warfare of thousands of people dying in our cities every summer. It's outrageous. We have to put a stop to it. Gianno, thank you so much. I'm sorry for your loss. Thank you for having me. It's a terrible situation.

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Joining us now is Border Czar. What he says, he means. You better listen carefully. The legend, Tom Homan. Tom, great to see you. Tom, tell us about the significance of alligator alcatraz. What is it and what will it be used for? Well, it's gonna be used for detention.

Look, we need detention capability and that's one of the reasons we need the big, beautiful bill passed because without alligator alcatraz, I mean, I looked at the numbers the day before yesterday and we had like 1800 vacant beds. I mean, we are at max capacity. And without more beds means we arrest less people because everybody we arrest has to be in a bed for several days or several weeks while we work on the deportation flights.

This is the way the system is. So I appreciate Governor Sanchez coming forward with this option. It's going to give us 5,000 more beds and an area that makes sense. It's already an airport, so we're just taking over an existing property, existing concrete, existing foundations. So it's a great option. It's going to give us 5,000 more beds in a time where we need beds very, very badly. And Tom, you're doing a wonderful job. And honestly, we need to continue to salute our incredible ICE agents.

The left is going after them personally. They're trying to dox them. They're trying to intimidate. They're trying to harm them. Roughly, how many deportations a day are we currently trending at? And what do you think we will get to once the Big Beautiful bill is signed into law? We're doing about 2000 deportation flights a day, 2000 aliens deported every day. Again, that's because the limited resources, right? We've got a limited number of agents,

we've got a limited number of beds, we've got a limited number of transportation capability. So the Big Beautiful bill is going to put more agents on the street. It's going to give us more detention beds to hold people, and it's going to let us increase the transportation contracts. We need more airplanes in the air. So you're going to see those numbers drastically increase. And also it's going to increase targeting of those we're looking for. We're going to bring a lot of great contractors in with AI and all this latest technology

will help us find people that want to be found. Right. So it's going to increase capability in all areas. So you're going to see those deportation numbers climb. And Tom, I want to come in 2000 a day. That's a good baseline. That's and by the way, if we can get to three to 4,000, you annualize that. Now I want to remind the audience, what is the ratio of forceful deportation, which we support versus self deportation? We're seeing a lot of self deportation. The New York Post reported a million people have self deported. That's an amazing number.

So talk about self deportations and how that plays in harmony with the larger deportation agenda. Great question. I truly believe, look, I've been doing this for 40 years. While we're out there doing this big deportation operation throughout the nation, especially in sanctuary cities, we're not being bullied from doing our job. We're going to be out there every single day. LA, we got over 100 teams every day in LA looking for the worst of the worst. So as the illegal alien population in this country see us out there in full force throughout the country, more and more are being convinced to leave on their own.

Get their affairs together and leave on your own. That way they can leave themselves opportunities, come back under some other program, whether it's a visitor visa, tourist visa, work visa, or maybe they got a U.S. citizen child that can petition for them in the future. So they got a choice to get their affairs together and leave in a much humane manner where they can get their affairs in order and leave on their own, leave themselves some future opportunity. Or they can wait until ICE come find them and put them in the deportation process and end up in a place like, you know, alligator Alcatraz. So it makes sense. So more enforcement operations they see in the communities, the more people are convinced to leave on their own. So when this big, beautiful bill passes, I'm certainly hoping that you're going to see more self-deportations. And that's a great thing, because it saves the taxpayers a lot of money on arrest, detention,

judicial, and all this other stuff. And it saves the taxpayers money at the same time, making this country safe again. Because a lot of those self deportations are criminals because they don't want to be, you know, arrested by ICE. And let's say it's an illegal alien with we find them with drugs. We find illegal alien with a gun. They're going to be criminally prosecuted and go to prison before we deport them. So a lot of the public safety threats are leaving because they know they're a number one priority for the Trump administration. They know we're prioritizing public safety threats.

So a lot of these self removalsovals are criminals. Big time. And so let's just look at the three pieces of the formula here. None of this matters if you don't have the border secure. That's why Trump and you guys, you got that done first. And literally no one is coming across the southern border, Tom. And congratulations for that. You should just be repeatedly congratulated. Zero.

Is that right, Tom? Literally no one came across in May. I think I saw the numbers just to reaffirm that. No, zero got released. The ones that did come across immediately went home. I mean, no one got in. So it's a great number. I mean, so, did they get to the border? Yeah. Did they get in? They got in and got processed and got back home. They never got released. So it is zero. And I've looked at the numbers. As far as the encounters, we're actually coming to our border and met by border chains, processed and removed. I think the numbers are going to be coming out later today. I think we'll see right around 7,000 or less. Now think of that in a month. In 30 days, you're talking about 7,000. That's less than Biden administration had a day. And matter of fact, it's half of the 15,000 that Biden hit many times.

So 7,000 in a month total encounters is a number I've never heard before. And I started back in 1984. And by the way, remember James Langford, who voted for the big beautiful bill. So thank you for that Senator. But he was all about, oh, we need this bipartisan thing. And we're gonna have a limit of 5000 people a day. You remember this Tom Homan, all we needed was a new president So you need the borders number one then number two and this is the key is that we need more ice agents

We need more people on the ground. Yes, and then number three, which is also important though Is that we need to have a president with the will to continue the deportation agenda, especially in our major cities Tom are are any comments on that? That's exactly what we're doing, Sean. The president said a couple weeks ago, and I agree with him. I've been saying it for months. We're going to flood the zone of sanctuary cities because we know we have a problem with sanctuary cities. We know they're releasing public safety threats every day. We don't have that problem in Florida where most of the sheriffs, all the sheriffs are working with us. They're not releasing illegal and public safety

threats. So what do we got to spend our resources in places like New York City where we know we got a problem, because we know public safety threats hit the street every day. And just so everyone is clear, Tom, you are not forgetting any of America's cities. Just because they're a sanctuary city like Portland or Seattle, you're not just leaving them alone. This is a full occupation. Every square inch of America will be restored and reclaimed. Is that correct? Absolutely. And with this big, beautiful bill, we get more agents on the ground. Look, we got over 20 million illegal immigrants in this country. We got less than 5,000 deportation officers. It's unbelievable.

We need more deportation officers to go out there and look for the... Again, again, we're prioritizing the worst of the worst. The more resources we have, the more bad guys we arrest. The more bad guys we arrest, the safer this country is. And anyone who interferes with the deportation effort, they also could face federal charges. Can you comment on that, Tom? Because some people are sharing ICE information. If you get in the way of a federal law enforcement procedure, could you also be arrested? Zero tolerance. You can hate ICE. You can protest ICE. You have that. You have your, you know, you got your first amendment, right? You can protest and scream and yell all you want. It's unfortunate. But when you cross that line, and I've said this since January 20th,

if you cross that line on impeding a federal law enforcement officer, if you cross that line on knowingly harboring, concealing illegal alien from ICE, if you cross that line especially if you put hands on an ICE officer, zero tolerance, you will be prosecuted. And so Tom, in closing here, I know you got to dash in a second. I want to play this piece of tape here. This was 285 from today at Alligatorcatraz play cut 285. The Trump administration steps up ice raids and mass deportations. One tech developer is pushing back with an app designed to track ice activity in real time. It's called IceBlock and it's

controversial to say the least. How does this work? You open the app it looks like a map and users can tap the map to report an ice sighting in their area, and then everybody who uses the platform within five miles of that sighting will get a push alert. This is a free iPhone app, it is anonymous. Aaron says he doesn't collect any user data. And what I think is really interesting about this in this moment is we've seen so many of the biggest leaders in tech supporting President Trump, but Aaron is sort of an example of

the fact that there are people within the tech industry who are really resistant to Trump's policies. Tom announced today CNN is under criminal investigation for this. Is this legal? Are you allowed to track federal law enforcement publicize it on an app? Look, I'll leave it up to DOJ. I'm not an attorney. I'm'll leave it up to DOJ. I'm not an attorney.

I'm not prosecuted by vast DOJ. Look into us. People need to understand the dangerous job that ICE has every day. Again, we're prioritizing public safety threats, national security threats. It already is very dangerous. To put an app out there and have CNN, a national network,

advertise it, educate people, and as out there, here's how you can use it, it puts ICE officers at great risk. It's only a matter of time before there's an ambush where some nut is gonna be laying in ICE knowing they're coming. There's gonna be some bad guy who doesn't care, like the bad guy who threw a Molotov cocktail

at officers in Los Angeles. This is extreme, it's disgusting, and I hope DOJ takes some action. I pray to God we get this thing shut down. The men and women of ICE put themselves on the harm's way every day, and people need to remember this. They're not Nazis, they're not racist,

they're mothers and fathers too. They're enforcing the laws enacted by Congress. They're not making this up. They're executing final orders for removal issued by a federal judge. Bingo. If you don't like what ICE is doing, then go yell at Congress telling them to change the law.

Until then, let's support the men and women of ICE. We have your back, Tom Holliman. We got to get to 10 million deportations. We have your back to get that done. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at CharlieKirk.com. Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.