The Charlie Kirk Show - Wiles's Wild Interview + The Millennial “Lost Generation”

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

Is WH Chief of Staff Susie Wiles about to become the first big departure of the admin? The show team and Mark Halperin break down her surprising statements to Vanity Fair. Plus, Andrew and Blake react to a viral article on the “lost generation” of young white men punished by DEI, and a potential loosening of marijuana laws by the Trump Admin. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com!    Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're going to be joined by Mark Halperin in the second half of this hour. Help us make sense of some of the Susie Wiles news. Yeah, that just came out of nowhere. Out of nowhere, Vanity Fair. A lot of news to get some hype for, but this was just sort of. of there it dropped it and surprised everybody this morning lots of interesting quotes i think it's safe to say so there's lots of speculation about what this means is she on her way out is did they think this was a book interview lots of fascinating stuff uh obviously this is am fest

week so america fest is coming to phoenix the 18 19 20 and 21st right at the phoenix convention center all the biggest names all the biggest speakers it's going to be a wild couple days i was hoping i was going to get a lot of sleep last night blake and for some reason like i woke up at four and i tried to go back to sleep whoops didn't happen so that's not a good sign for am fest week and fest week you need to have all your energy all your sleep your hydration well nourished all the maybe maybe you could pull a pull a charlie and have one of those like mid yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah well we'll see that man was a high performance engine he was he was a Ferrari of a human being.

So there's that. And then we're going to have Yael Eckstein to reflect on the Hanukkah massacre in Bondi Beach, Australia, which is still a tragedy we need to make sense of. And then we're going to have Kurt Schlichter. We're going to have a gun discussion. We're also going to talk about should we nuke the filibuster? Mark Wayne Mullen made some big news yesterday by just basically coming out in favor of it. A gun discussion and a nuke discussion. Lots of weapons.

Lots of weapons. And yeah. And there's also this Compact article. We've got to find some time for it. Went viral yesterday. Compact magazine. It's called The Lost Generation 184. If you want to throw it up, it'll be a little tease.

I don't think we're ready to get into it just yet. But 184. So it's going to call it the lost generation. It's all about how there's basically been a whole group of millennials that are turning about 40 right now. If you are a young white millennial male, you've basically gone through, let's just say it, a modern day quasi-gimil. crow in industry after industry where you were systematically excluded and they all got screwed yeah they got some of the people those are uh i mean i guess gen z is who charlie cared about the most but so many of the people who were saying are disasters who haven't married haven't settled down

there are these people who just spent their entire 25 to 40 range they got hit by the great recession and then just let's just say it systematic discrimination in american life yeah i mean i I mean, I guess we're getting into it. I guess we are. We are getting into it. I mean, we are going to bring Halperin on for the Susie Wiles. Yeah, we'll talk about Wiles with him. But, but, I mean, listen, it's, if you're turning, I'd say probably between,

if you're between the age of like 35 and 45, this probably could have affected you, right? And if you're, oh, you know, 30, I was, yeah, 30 to 45. 30 to 45, you know, and we rage against the marriage rates. We rage against the low fertility rates. We rage against the fact that home ownership has, the average meeting new homebuyer is at like 40 years old. We talk about all these ills. But what is really driving down the average? It's these commissars of wokeness that came in right around. That's actually not who the article blames. It's not the commissars of wokeness necessarily. This is the interesting thing.

So just so you guys... I think it's connected. So you can look this all up again. It's the lost generation. It's a very long article on Compact Magazine. This was a huge number of personalities on X. We're discussing this. It's going to be one of the most read articles of the year on the right. Jacob Savage, who is a writer based in Los Angeles, and he tells his own story. He was trying to become a TV or film writer in Los Angeles, which that's long been a job a ton of young white guys get.

Did you go there trying to be a writer? I was trying to be a writer. You have no idea how like internalized all of this was for me. Exactly. So that's a job, a ton of, I mean, you know, artsy young men, they want to be, a lot of them want to be journalists, some of them want to be film writers, some of them want to go into academia and it's really focused on those industries what's interesting though as somebody lived this a little bit it wasn't really artsy young men it's really analytical sharp-minded

that's the people that are driven to go into the writing and producing fields they're there if they were in a different city they would have been you know engineers i'm not kidding it's like the same it's the same profile these are like well hyper-analytic get hit so it's pro focusing on especially those slightly more creative fields or academia sure it's a creative field so Journalism, arts, creativity. And how around 2014, you start getting the woke bubble, which is, you know, you need more diversity in all things. You need to have more women, women of color, people of color. It's the line they had.

It reminds us of things that were viral a decade ago that people have forgotten. Like, there was a thing called Oscars So White. It was a hashtag. We used to have hashtag campaigns before Elon bought X. He got rid of the hashtags. Then they got Chris Rock to host the Oscars. Yeah. And Oscars So White was just everyone nominated for the major acting categories was white that year. Okay. And so suddenly there was just this demand. You need to have diversity. And what it points out again and again is the boomers and Gen Xers, there's all these older white men who actually are already established in fields. And in power. And they just froze it in amber. And so what it became was they would just have everyone beneath them would be used to hit those diversity. metrics. So it's not, oh, we're going to increase diversity by making 15% of the established

people leave and replace them. It's we're going to just categorically eliminate young white men from the pipeline for all of these jobs. And that's exactly, it turns out exactly what it looks like. All of these people who wanted to go into these fields, they just could not get jobs in them at all. And you really think what sort of impact that has to be on one psychology, which I know people who have gone through that i i can absolutely say very certainly i experienced just this yeah i experienced just this when i was living in l.a where just it was common just to say oh well too bad you're you're a white guy like you know it would this would be a lot easier if you if you had something we could throw out there like are you gay i'm not even kidding they say that they mentioned

being gay they always will have some they need something they'll have like some american indian ancestry. They pulled the Liz Warren. And I was literally like, no, I'm a white heterosexual Christian. Yeah. And they're like, sorry. Good luck. And then the numbers in here, it's worth reading just for all of the numbers. In 2011, 14 years ago, white men were 48% of low level TV writers. In 2024, 13 years later, they were 11.9%. That's dramatic. In, uh, let's see, at Harvard. The Atlantic editorial staff went from 53% white and 80 or 53% male and 89% white in 2013 to 36% male and 66% white in 2020. 10 year track faculty at Harvard 39% white men in the humanities to 18%. And when that means is if you're dropping that much and you're not cutting off to people who are in early,

it's that it's a total cutoff at the bottom. Yeah. And so you just took a group white men, there's still about 25%. of young American adults a little bit more, even 25, 30%, and let's be frank, they're a pretty talented 30%. They're more likely to complete college, more likely to develop a lot of skills than some other groups that have been favored in America the last decade, and yet they're just treated as practical untouchables in a huge number of fields. And it's bad for them. It's totally derailed their lives because if you were subject of this discrimination for the past five years,

10 years, that ruins your career. That's the period where you need to get off the ground and you're just stuck in entry-level stuff. And on top of that, it fried American meritocracy. Why are our, why are TV shows so bad? Maybe because they didn't hire good writers to do it. Why is academia so rotten? Because they hired only people who filled a racial checkbox instead of the best scholars. Over and over, they do that. And I'm sure our viewers, our listeners, they may have lived this themselves or if you're a parent you may have seen your son struggle through this because he couldn't get a foot in the door anywhere and it wasn't really his fault yeah i and not to mention we talk about student loans pushing off family formation or whatever right uh buying a home well if you

can't even get into the job market if you can't start the career to get up to the rungs of power to earn more money then that's why marriage rates are going to collapse that's why fertility rates are going to collapse. I'm sorry, but white men still make up a huge portion of the country. The line they're using lost generation. Anthony, one of our listeners emails, he says, I am a millennial and we're often called a lost generation. Millennials got lost and pushed aside. I get screwed. Look, I know there are a lot of choices when it comes to who you choose for your

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heavy marijuana user and just being kind of a loser yeah i mean i'll never forget when i was going back to my la days i remember i met this one guy believe it or not he was a worship leader oh wow and he was an avid marijuana user but he was like if i don't use it i will get massively depressed and he would he acknowledged i he has he had an addiction he had a problem uh i just thought why would you ever want to be stuck on something that has so much mastery over you you know and and anyways uh but a couple things that we need to sort of establish here if you are find yourself of a certain generation and you and you still think you know weeds fine it's not the worst thing modern weed is not at all what like you know the hippie era weed is it's stronger stuff strong

way more potent, way more potent. So let's do it this way, actually. I'm going to give Trump some credit here. This is Trump on fentanyl, and he is a thousand percent spot on. Play cut 165. Today I'm taking

one more step to protect Americans from the scourge of deadly fentanyl flooding into our country. With this historic executive order I will sign today, we're formerly classifying fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction, which is what it is. No bomb does what this is doing. Two hundred to three hundred

thousand people die every year that we know of. So we're formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction. Weapon, I mean, listen. That's a funny classification. It's a funny classification, but candidly, you know, and we used to talk about this with Charlie all the time, the drug epidemic kills more people than Ukraine or kills more Americans than, you know, basically anything else. Well, I'm just thinking about how that classification, I have to imagine that means if you're transporting, like, fentanyl ingredients, they can just throw you in prison for life. Or bomb your boat or, yeah, yeah, because, you know, attempting to make weapons of mass destruction is a super duper federal terrorism charge. Yeah, but here's here's the other side of the drug news today, which is interesting we have so much drug news. CNN says that President Trump is considering

Well changing the classification of weed I think is the right way to say it Some are saying legalized marijuana I'm not I'm not sure exactly He said he said himself he's considering He was asked in the Oval Office recently He says we're considering it And it would be a reclassification

From Schedule 1 I believe to Schedule 3 Right Schedule 1 is sort of the most restricted Most controlled drugs The other stuff on it There's stuff like heroin meth. Those are Schedule 1 drugs. Schedule 3 in comparison is

ketamine, steroids, testosterone. Funny you would say ketamine. It's on the list in the hills article. We'll get to that with the Susie Wilde's story. Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed. But Charlie thought a lot about this, and it was one of the controversial things. He said at least once multiple times, I think, that this is one of

his positions that got him the most pushback on campuses. Very unpopular. More than his abortion views, which is he opposed legalizing weed. A lot of young people. Really like it, but I think, I do at the same time, I think the tide is shifting a bit. I think we probably reached peak marijuana enthusiasm. We had that win in Florida. That was good. Let's, let's play the clip here. 182. This is from CNN. The president could use, in fact, against his Democratic opposition

and say, hey, you know what? Democrats have talked to talk, but I'm actually going to walk the walk when it comes to legalizing marijuana. Okay. So what are the prediction market saying about the chances then here? Yeah, okay. So what's the chance that this actually happens? I think there's a pretty gosh darn good chance it's going to happen, at least according to the prediction markets. So the chance that the U.S. reschedule is marijuana before the end of Trump's term. Look at this, 88%. Yeah, it's funny because you see 72% of young people approve of it. Maybe they do, but I just, I hope it changes because you can smell it here in Phoenix.

You can smell it a ton if you're in D.C. It's really disgusting. I was just in New York. I think it's a big driver of making public places feel dirtier. It's a much more rank smell than even cigarette smoke was in the past. I think Charlie had very good reason to dislike it So I'm hopeful they don't reclassify it We have a clip from Charlie that I wish we could have got to

But it's I listen I think I think the prediction markets are probably right Yeah Trump's seeing a political opportunity But listen sometimes we we disagree with the president I remember Charlie was actually asked by our next guest Mark Halpern what do you disagree with on the president and he said weed Yeah we'd so you know it listen we still disagree I think it's a loser drug I get it why people

try and bend their rationale to make it something less than that. I'm telling you modern weed, especially when you take it young, could really cause mental illness. It's a drug you could argue. It's a schizophrenia. Legalize it if you're after 30 or something because it really cooks a developing brain. Yes, it does. And so

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able to get high? That sounds good. That is an oversimplification of the society we are living in. Firstly, in legalized states, the perception of marijuana's harm among teenagers fell by over 20% in 10 years from the monitoring the future survey, making early. initiation more likely. How about traffic deaths? After Colorado legalized marijuana-related traffic fatalities rose 151% between 2013 and 2020.

Let's do 194 as well. Heavy weed users are 60% more likely to miss work, 75% more likely to show poor job performance, according to the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine. So let me put a pause. If we want to defeat the Chinese, is more drug use better? Or worse, if we want to go to Mars, if we want to build great things, if we want to start new companies, if more employees are using weed, does that make us stronger or weaker? I'm with Charlie on all this.

I am. I am. He really was upgrading his message on that more and more. You got to understand, it's like our whole society, the structures that keep it up, the institutions, the morals, the values, is you keep whittling away at these things, even if it's on the edges, is eventually that gets to the core. And we're seeing that across all of our culture. Think about what we talked about at the start with that article. All the young men just being excluded from every career. And our fix is, okay, well, you can now have legal weed and legal gambling and legal every other addiction ever.

And just stay doped up. Don't care that much. Please don't overthrow the government. Just play video games, get high, vape, and gamble all your money away that you don't have because you don't have a job. Sounds like a good recipe for success. Oh, we have one more. Yeah, let's, uh, 192. 192. 192. By the way, the studies are incredible. Heavy marijuana use is linked to five times higher risk of psychosis in young adults from the Lance since psychiatry 2019. Colorado ER visits for cannabis induced psychosis tripled right after legalization.

And by the way, there's another study in addition to the one that Blake sent me of a average drop of eight IQ points by the Dundan study in PNAS 2012. See, I miss that. You're just feeding Charlie. studies throughout the blake get me stuff on weed yeah get him stuff on weed and you start rattling it off on air exactly um i mean i just completely agree now there now so let's just be very clear about what is actually you know so what's happening here president trump is considering a medicare pilot program that would provide some seniors access to cbd okay and reclassifying marijuana as the schedule three would ease tax burdens banking limits research barriers and it could in it attract institutional pharmaceutical investors.

What's wrong with that, Blake? Why, I mean, wouldn't it be good to, you know, and by the way, CBD is different than THC. Okay, could we just? Yeah, well, so yeah, we did. How about we do a few emails here? Yeah, let's do a few. What are people thinking about?

Missy says, Andrew and Blake, I am so anti-weed. I have watched and I have seen it ruin people's lives. My brother is an avid user who's been using it since elementary school. He suffered mental health problems. He self-medicates with it. It has not served him well. He is violent, paranoid, has continual police contact. As an older man, he has had kids, married the woman after several years,

and he lives with them anywhere he is able, which they say campgrounds and motels. He's lost the kids. They've been removed, but the liberal city they live in subsidizes their lifestyle. There's stories like that. They're appalling. Thank you. That's an amazing email. I mean, horrible subject.

Yeah, I mean, that is horrible. By the way, he said this pastor that would say, you know, if it wasn't for the Lord, that he'd be divorced, childless, and, you know, drunk on his couch at home or something. I mean, and you've, you do hear these stories where these vices really do grab 100% of somebody's life and they take them down these really destructive paths. There's a hundred percent guarantee to not do that if you just don't even try the drugs in the first place. You know what I mean? If you don't go down those routes in the first place. So why is a society, should we be making it easier for you?

young people to use it. And Charlie even quoted that one study that it was like the perception of the harms of marijuana drop when you legalize it. Their first thing they think to on whether something is right or wrong is it's not the Bible. It's not really moral reasoning. It's just what's the law say? Is it illegal? Is it illegal? And that doesn't mean everything we think is wrong should be banned, but it should at least guide our intuitions on that sort of thing. Things that are massively harmful to society, it might be a good idea to sharply restrict or ban them. Yeah. And this is where we have to do our job i mean we're not listen we're we're not there is a there is a sort of live and let live uh i would say aspect to american life to the american ethos you know we have a

counterpoint raven says i'm a 65 year old grandma with ms i was prescribed medication that almost killed me now i use weed and uh prohibition does not work my my mom uses weed gummies to sleep instead of prescription medication. Maha has us afraid of everything, including Tylenol. Why do you want to take away our weed? Yeah. So that's a counterpoint there. I mean, I'm open-minded to medical for elderly people,

you know, glaucoma, whatever, you know, all of these uses. I'm open-minded to it. I'm just saying what when you, when you go on these legalization kicks, the people that are going to get most impacted are young people. It'd be funny if you could just say you have to be over 50 or something. And America's so not used to having laws. like that. We're used to just, you know, becoming an adult and everything's available. But I could, I think it'd be an interesting thing to consider, because I do think the harms are so

much greater for young people. If you're a retiree and you want to get baked, you're not derailing society in the process. Are you though? I mean, just like, honestly, here's, here's my thing. It's like, people make this argument. Well, it's not affecting anybody else. I just, I reject that premise completely. Because once you start removing the stigma from things, Once you start legalizing things in a general sense, as you saw from the study, young people start going, oh, it's not bad. I'm going to do it too. China used to be, was the world's most powerful country, and they went through their center of humiliations. You know what drove it? Drug addiction. Opium? They all got hooked on opium, and they started to recover when they, well, they killed all the opium dealers.

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Glad to have you. You look warm. I'm glad I'm in Phoenix right now. Yeah, I was going to say, it looks chilly. It's a little cold. All right. Well, listen, so Mark, everybody's talking about it. I've gotten blown up by like five or six reporters this morning about what are you making the Susie thing. What do you know? And I'm just like, no comment. I don't know. We're going to save that for the show. Mark, what do we make of this? She called J.D. Vance a conspiracy. she's talking about musk taking drugs ketamine which i don't think is actually that's not secret called him an odd duck he's admitted he's taken it him continuing to take it is more i think we all sort of knew he kept taking it but i mean

you know it's just musk is is is an odd duck what do we make of this a lot of people say that this is that she was this is her her exit plan uh i'm hearing other people say they thought it was for a book interview that was going to or that was going to come out after the admin And what's the truth? Well, first of all, a normal White House official who said these things would be fired. But instead, you're seeing rallying around Susie, you can go on X and see plenty of people, senators and white House officials saying, you know, we love Susie, echoing her line that this was all a media hit job. And the vice president was asked about it. He was pretty supportive, too.

My guess, and I don't know this, but my guess just from knowing the two people involved, the guy who was. writing it down and what actually the staff is my guess is she thought this stuff was off the record that would be my guess and she didn't intend to say it now some of it as you guys just said it's not super like controversial and some of it's emphatically true but it's a little bit off key for her to be saying she's not someone who seeks the limelight she's not someone it's the opposite she puts a premium on people getting along so like I said if I had to guess I guess that she didn't think this stuff was for publication it was a misunderstanding between her and Chris Whipple Yeah, so let's put up 171. This is her tweet. She says the article published earlier, early this morning, is a disingenuous framed hit piece on me. And the finest president, White House staff and cabinet and history, significant content, context was disregarded and much of what I and others said about the team and the president was left out of the story. So the part that that doesn't square with a lot of people, though, Mark is, and she goes on to praise the Trump administration. The part that I can't square here is that there's this picture.

of all of them posing. You know, Caroline Levitt is there, right? There's the picture. So obviously they, this was, you know, they weren't done under, this interview was not done under duress or something. So why the picture? Does that, what does that tell you? Do you know who I feel sorry for now?

I feel sorry for people only listening to this as a podcast because, man, that's an awesome picture. It is, it is striking. It's like, it's like, it's like the Avengers meet the West Wing. Look, look, she obviously talked to the guy. It'll be interesting to see if this does escalate her claim that the context is missing. If the guy really does have audio tapes of everything, we'll see if the context is missing. The reality is, you guys know how a lot of reporters are.

And I'm not accusing Chris Whipple of this because I haven't heard the whole thing. But I've been enjoying interviews with reporters where they'll say, they'll say like, you know, your colleague, Mr. Jones, what's he like? Oh, he's awesome. What's Mr. Jones like? He's awesome. What's Mr. Jones like? Oh, he's great.

What's Mr. Jones like? I really like Mr. Jones. Seriously, a lot of people don't really like Mr. Jones. Are you sure you like Mr. Jones? You say, well, there are some people who don't really like Mr. Jones. And then the story comes out, and it says, we asked them, and they said, there's some people who don't like Mr. Jones. Yeah.

It's like, it's like, you know, she could be right. It wouldn't be the first time a reporter took the context away. Yeah. But let's see if their audio did. But, but again, It's an interesting story. I know why you guys are talking about it. I talked about it on my show.

I'll talk about it on my show later today. But the norm of a situation like this where people would say, is Trump mad at her? Is she going to lose her job? I just don't think that's even a possibility because of how well-like Susie is. And what a great job the president and other people in the White House think she's doing.

So let's see if we're still talking about this tomorrow. Now, if the reporter decides he's got to put out the context, that could keep this thing alive because it's easy. he's very right from the trump playbook to say hit job but let's see if it was actually a hit job well i one question thought i had is they talk about the prosecutions you know sort of the the stuff aimed at comie at letitia james and she talks about that how she's sort of tried to put a 90-day cap i think is the word in the piece on yeah retaliation type stuff but that he's going to keep doing it could that lead to judges citing this interview to justify throwing out

charges. And I could see that being a way this would turn the president against Susie if he sees her as derailing something he really wants to get done. Yeah. I mean, theoretically, I agree with you. I don't know that it would be admissible and I don't know that that would turn

the president against Susie. One of the things that this will put in short relief for some is amongst them anything Susie has done in this job that's really well served the president is she has constrained it. When people say in my business and and Democrats say, you know, Trump decides yes, people around him,

unlike in the first terms. Well, the fact is he had people around him in the first term, we disagreed with them, but they did it ineffectively. People like the Secretary of State, Rick Stillerson, would disagree with Trump, but he wouldn't get his way. Trump would just, President Trump would do what he wanted to do. One of the under-told stories is when Susie Wiles sees a problem or others do, she's good at talking to the president and trying to restrain him.

So if she restrained some in this area, some things, and the article suggests she did, probably in the president's interest. And even the president may well be grateful because he knows sometimes he does go too far. Yeah, that's the reveal is that this is the restraint Trump. You know, and it's like, yeah, yeah. So I got to play this clip here, Mark, because J.D. got asked about it. He had a big event this morning. And I thought he did a brilliant job here, 195.

Sometimes I am a conspiracy theorist, but I only believe in the conspiracy theories that are true. And by the way, Susie and I have joked in private and in public about that for a long time. For example, I believed in the crazy conspiracy theory back in 2020 that it was stupid to mask three-year-olds at the height of the COVID pandemic, that we should actually let them develop some language skills. You know, I believed in this crazy conspiracy theory that the media and the government were covering up the fact that Joe Biden was clearly unable to do the job. I mean, if all we get out of this ultimately is another rendition of J.D. Vance's political talents, then, you know, so be it. But that is a fun way to take it. And you're right. It's almost like what you're not hearing is the actual insight here. You're not hearing backbiting.

You're not hearing people going for Susie. But you've heard these rumors, too, Mark, that Susie was going to be out at the end of the year, that Trump was had soured. Do you believe there's any truth to that? I don't. First of all, in terms of J.D. Vanson, greatest pivot since Bob Lanier. Just, you know, move right away from trouble. I don't believe that's the case. I, based on everything I know, people are very pleased with her.

And it's hard to do that job for any president, but particularly for this president with a very strong-willed vice president. The president, strong-willed cabinet, a lot of High Wire Act operations. As far as I know, she's been in very good stead and good standing and very committed to MAGA and the agenda. You saw her the other day in a rare interview that she also did. She said, you know, she hadn't told the president yet, but he's going to be out there doing stuff. And Susie's one of the few people who's ever been involved in Trump world for the last decade, who really has the confidence to tell the president when she thinks he's off faith. And like I said, I think he values that.

I don't know what he'll think of this interview. but if the vice president's any indication she ain't going anywhere they're just going to joke about it blame the media and move on i got to ask you about uh this brown university story mark i saw some video of you circulating yesterday where you said that the parents had been informed that it perhaps could have been a targeted hit on ella cook obviously the vice president of the brown university republican club what can you tell us about this well just to correct you a little bit I didn't say the parents have been informed that I'd been told by people that they had been. I've not talked to the parents.

I've not talked to law enforcement. So I don't want to I don't want to spread anything that's false. I don't want to be involved in it. No, that's responsible. But this is what I can say. A couple things. First of all, imagine that this shooting occurred on a southern conservative campus. And imagine one of the two people killed was the vice president of the Democratic College

Republicans. Imagine what the media would be saying. And if law enforcement in a conservative town had done a very bumbling job in the investigation, imagine what people would be saying, okay? That's number one. Number two, there are some peculiar things here besides the fact that law enforcement seems to have done kind of a bad job so far. Most of these killers, they keep firing until they kill themselves or they're shot by law

enforcement or captured. They're rare that they kill and then leave. It doesn't happen that often, right? if it's not targeted. And like I said, three separate sources asserted to me that the family had been told this. I just don't know if it's true. I just know that in the absence of clarity of why this person is still at large and why they left after killing two people, one of which was this young woman, in the absence of clarity,

it's notable that on a very liberal campus, you had a very visible conservative. So I just think it's something people, in the absence of clarity, something we should consider. Because imagine if that's true, it's a very significant and big story. It's a huge story. And, you know, our thoughts and prayers are literally with Ella Cook's family. It's just terrible. It hits close to home, as you can imagine, Mark. Of course, of course.

Yeah, and you mentioned the bumbling investigation. I mean, you got 800 cameras on that campus. I'm told that this particular building was on the edge of campus, so that's why they were relying on ring cameras. but either way, it's shocking that we don't have a suspect for something this high profile. Mark Halperin, thank you for making the time. I'm going to let you get inside, sir. Good to see you, gentlemen. Happy holiday.

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