The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - AIDA OSMAN CAN JUSTIFY ANYTHING (Ft. Aida Osman) | Episode 235

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

Aida Osman is here this week!! Aida joins Drew to talk about co-starring with Will Ferrell on her new show The Hawk, lying to men at the bars, faking an Australian accent, Avatar fanfiction, getting scammed into funding a BBL, whether the River Styx is niche, and so much more.Aida IG: https://www.instagram.com/shutupaida/?hl=enThe Comment Section IG: https://www.instagram.com/thecommentsection/?hl=en Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

That was one of my favorite things about going out was lying. Yes, instinct catharsis. I was like, and who am I going to be tonight? Exactly. I guess we'll see. Yeah, I was like, I guess we'll see. I'm destiny. I went to Juilliard.

Yeah, what do you do? One time I was faking an Australian accent, which I'm not good at. Me too. You've done that too? We are the same sicko. Everyone and welcome back to another episode of the comments section show starring me, your favorite, everybody knows me, who cares about me. On to the guest. Today we have the iconic, the hilarious, the legend.

Dina Osmond. Woo! Welcome to the show, Queen. Hi, hello. I'm so happy to have you. Really? We were just having a real deep conversation about Caleb Heron.

Yes, we were. He's our invisible string. Yeah. As he is with a lot of people on my show, which is fucking annoying. I guess it just speaks to how hilarious you are, and he is. He's everywhere.

We were saying that he's like probably seven different Caleb's. He's all over the map. He can be anywhere anything. Yeah, he's kind of like Bigfoot, where it's like everyone has their own account of witnessing. Yes. But I can't believe them all.

Yeah. Because it could be legend and folklore. And was he really there with them? You know what I mean? Like spiritually was he there? Right. But that is our invisible string between us. But one thing you do have in common is that you're both hilarious.

Thank you. And I do. I did watch a lot of your stand-up clips as well. And I find you hilarious. Just in general. But before we get to the show and comedy writing, I do want to start with stand-up. Because I feel like with stand-up your first love, would you say?

Yeah. In the form of entertainment? Well, actually, you know, I think if I were a little less pussy, maybe I would be like a pop star. Like I have this, I have this delusional thing, even though I'm pushing 30 that like one. Pushing 30 as if that's old, mind you know, no, but it's probably too old to become Zara Larson. You know? Like, you definitely aren't going to like find out your Tyler at 30. But in my head, I'm like, wait, no, once this comedy thing wraps up, like, I have albums in me.

Yes. No. Can you sing well? I'm assuming. I love to do it. That probably means yes. A really great singer is always very humble about being able to say. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. I'm very upfront about the fact that I can't at all. You can't hold a note at all. No, I fucking wish. It's also like God hit me with a funny sick and said, get the fuck out of here. Yeah. You're done.

You're done. You're done. Go. That's the thing that I wanted to. Like, I like to be funny. It's like there's things that you wish that you wish that. you could do, but I like to make people laugh and I like to talk and I always

see shit. You know what really blew my mind the other day? I found my old laptop from middle school. Okay. And I was going through the photo booth. And it was me and my friends, you know, like just like gay theater kids obviously. It's the only people I hung out with. And there was I was, they were like

looking at themselves and having a great time and I was like, guys, wait, isn't it so crazy that when the camera turns on, like we're different people and like isn't that so funny? Like doing just like bad Jerry Seinfeld comedy like what's the deal with this and it like was annoying and cringy but also made me realize like I've always been like this yeah exactly guys look this is so wide here guys look at an end I'm stunning on top of that also we don't even need to talk yeah

obviously I'm stunning but I'm hilarious too I totally relate to that feeling too because I'm sure I'm sure you've been asked before like have you always known that you wanted to be in entertainment or was there another dream that you had? I didn't know. Yeah. Like, I feel like I didn't understand our careers even. Yeah, no, not at all. I didn't know what stand-up was for real until I was like 19 or 20.

And there was like an open mic night at this bar that I worked at. And I had added some extra shifts and they were doing a Monday night comedy night. Yeah. And I'm from Nebraska. So that's the other thing I have in. That's crazy. Yeah, Midwest. Midwest girls down.

Yes. I'm slaying my little drinks. I'm getting these people drunk. and I'm looking up and these white men is doing bad jokes. Like, bad stuff. And one girl came on and just talked about her period for a while, but it wasn't funny. Like, you can talk about your period. I'm like, it was just.

You got to do it in a funny way. Be funny. Yeah. And I think I'm a really competitive person, I realized. So I went up and I tried it. Yeah. I fell in love. Just like off the cuff, you just went up there?

Immediately. I'm sure I bombed. I was like, like, I bombed. You're so me, though. I would do the same shit. I'd be like, blah. I can do that. Yeah.

I want, yeah, if he can do it, I can fucking tear it. Like, I just wanted to try it so bad. Yeah. I loved it. So that was your first time ever trying to stand-up. Yeah. When, after that, what were you trying to do that? Were you trying to, like, go to more open mics?

Or did you try, like, posting videos or anything? I did, but it was, like, shitty. Because Nebraska, I was in Lincoln. So I had to drive an hour to go to the next open mic in Omaha. Oh, damn. The next one was three hours in Des Moines. Yeah. I really like, I had to die for my bitch, you know?

Yeah, like really show her love. I had to commit. Yeah. I had to drive super far and I would do it. And I'll go with my friends and we would have a really good time and do our jokes. It just felt like such a small community. Like I didn't even know other people were doing comedy. And then I tried to start like writing for Twitter.

Like really. In fact, that's, I knew Brittany from Twitter. I just realized. Oh, that's so funny. That's how I knew Caleb. Like my first expose. Pleasure to him ever was on Twitter. Same thing. Caleb. Yeah. Jabuki. Yes. Djibuki's a great one. Seriously. There was this cuddy one that he was kind of, his name was Jovon, and he was this hilarious gay

boy from New York, I think, and he was just unhinged. And I was like, all you have to do is talk about your life. Right. And I loved it. And I, I like the idea of like just getting paid to be funny. Be funny. Be yourself. I agree. And that's funny you say about Twitter because Twitter was my favorite app like for a long time because I'm 30 going to be 31 this year. So Twitter was my first social media app I ever had. Like that wasn't like MySpace or Facebook. And it was like the funniest thing in the world. I just loved that you could just see people like stream of conscious put these hilarious jokes out. Yeah. Again, I found Djibuki that way. I still to the day, remember when he got banned off Twitter because he said that Martin Luther King on Martin Luther King Day said he was

killed by the FBI. He got banned on Twitter. And then when he came back, he goes, guess who they let out? Like, it was like him resurrecting his account. So I still remember that to the day. And I also remember Caleb. Even now, I'll still see like pretty famous old tweets like in meme videos. And they're like the oldest tweets ever, but they're just hilarious.

Yeah. So I totally get what you mean about that. And that's where you started kind of like workshopping writing jokes. Yeah, trying stuff. Just seeing what would stick and like trying to find a voice really. because you have to know what you joke about. And I have put my foot so far up my own esophagus. Like literally I have said the dumbest things in the world that have got me in trouble.

And you just, you test it. Yeah, you trial and error. Like, why am I talking about Doja Cat like that? Like, I'm maybe going to see this girl one day. There's not a lot of black women in entertainment. Right. Why? Sorry, Doja.

Unblock me. Please. Like, just unblock me, please. Yeah. But we don't use Twitter anymore. so it's okay. Same. Second life on threads.

Oh my God. Okay, no. I just now started looking at threads. Okay. Because I'm missing that itch that I can't scratch anymore. I deleted my Twitter like, I think three years ago now, which I'm devastated by because I really loved that app. But it just has churned into the worst most toxic place ever now.

But once upon a time, it was lovely and amazing. And it was my favorite app to like scroll on. Even when I started kind of doing this, it was like one of my favorite apps to go. on because that's one of the few places I could really fuck someone up. Yeah. And not get banned or get like strikes against me. Yeah. So I could like say just the most insane serious things.

Like the way I really wanted to insult awful men sometimes, like bigoted men. I can't do on like TikTok because they put that checkmark by the name. Then they locked me down. Yeah. But on Twitter they didn't care, obviously. But I'm devastated at the loss of it. But I've heard threads is popping. Well, I'm a late comer.

Like I. Because I'm like, I don't know. I think I'm a curmudgeon. Like, I think I'm an old. I've been, if it's new, I'm like, ew, really? This is what they're doing? That's why it's about be real. I was like, you can't make me.

See, what? The part of my brain that we just went to, I forgot about that. You forgot about it. Come and go. Yeah. Yeah, but I literally tried it for maybe a few days and I was like, I can't do this. No, no, no. I can't do this.

I can't update you guys in photos every day. And then like, when I didn't know how to do the double angle thing and it was making me feel insecure about myself, like, bitches are. are figuring out how to do, they're directing, like massive storylines. No, no, bitch. No, I'm sticking to my one POV. Yeah. Don't hurt my feelings.

Right. So when did you, speaking of your voice in comedy, when did you kind of feel like you were starting to find it a little bit more? Was it like, were you doing more open mics? Were you like starting to get into writing more seriously? Yeah. When was that? I wish I had like an answer for you.

Like I know myself. Like I try to be self-aware, but I'm like, I've changed it every day. Yeah, that's true. That's a way of looking at it though. Yeah. Yeah, like I especially now, like I'm a mother now and I got married and I remember thinking that was lame as shit like three years ago. Like I was like, bitch, I'll never find a man. And he's like, so that was my voice then.

Yeah. That's how I felt about life. Yeah. And I met this great guy and I just, you know. I've heard that. God damn it. I know. It's a real fucking bummer.

I'll tell you what. I was like, it's so bad for my brand like me being in love with my man like such a bummer. And that's why we hide them. We post them like once a year and like hide them. There you go. I'm like, yeah, it's fine. And you're fine. And men will be fine because they have, you know, rights.

And then that's the one thing we get is being like, ugh about it. But I'm in, you know, I guess it's like a good thing you find the one. But like, I'm like, they're still awful, like 90% of them. But the one, yeah. I had to, I feel like I scavenged. Like, I found him. And girls are like, oh, my God, like, how's your relationship? Bitch, I can't help you.

Like, I want to help you find a man. But it was. I looked far and wide. And my checklist of things that he needed to not have but be. Right. Like how he needed to talk to me. And in a lot of ways, I love you, baby. I love you, baby.

These are all jokes, baby. He needed to teach me stuff about the world and he couldn't just be a random dude. You know what I mean? Yeah, I agree. My husband has taught me like, I mean, I taught him how to wash the dishes. I know for a fact I did. They don't be washing it. I had to put both to ask.

Don't bring that up with me again. I already know it was me. Bro. Yes. So he just taught me, well, first of all, I stopped lying when I started dating him. Did that happen to you? Yes, of course it did. All I loved to lie when I was dating before.

All I did was lie. I miss lying. That was one of my favorite things about going out was lying. Yes. Oh my God. I was like, and who am I going to be tonight? Exactly. I guess we'll see.

I guess we'll see. I'm destiny. I went to Juilliard. What do you do? one time I was faking an Australian accent which I'm not good at me too you've done that too we are the same sicko girl and and then when I got too I got I got too drunk and I dropped it like because I got too drunk and then he was like mind you I think you're stupid for even believing me because it's not good like my Australian accent is not good at all I'm not even

going to pretend to try now because it's not good and then when I dropped it he was like wait you're not Australian and I go when did I say that me just gaslighting as if I haven't been in a cartoony voice for hours. Like, you're weird. We're drinking. And then I was like, where did you get that? In fact, why are you making things up about me? Are you spreading lies about me?

Me just gaslighting. Yeah, and saying stuff. Yeah, it came to. And you're not keeping a through line. No. You're having, you're being Drew. Yeah, I was like, I'm being me. I'm being whoever I need to be to get a free drink.

Yeah. Yeah. This is, okay, so mine is really, really, yours is fun. Yours is like a hot, sexy, flirty story. Mine is dark and academic and bad. Oh, no. Okay, so I graduated from the University of Nebraska Lincoln with a philosophy degree.

Oh, look at you, smarty pants. Sure, but like I was, there's no way to cut this. Yeah, you're right. I was smart back then. I don't really have. So we're in like my philosophy of current issues, my first class, and I was not taking it seriously. It was a gen ed. It was like, I'm not going to do this.

Yeah. So I was like, fuck it. I'm about to be somebody else. And in class. Yeah, in class during the icebreaker. No way. So they're going through each person. Love it.

Yeah, immediately. Like, let's get to it. I'm Australian, bitch. So we're going through people. And then they start with me. And I'm like, hey. Um, yeah. Yeah, my name is Aida.

Osmer? That's a pretty good one, honestly. No, I would have believed you. I was so committed, bro. And it's like, I'm saying this deeply Muslim name. Like, yeah, Ida. Osman from Africa and Australia. And I'm doing this and we go through the whole thing and then we get to the last person.

And he's like, hey, I'm from Sydney. My name is Dylan. Whatever. I can't do his. I don't, I didn't, you know, practice his. And he's like, it's so cool. Someone you're from, you know, Dan on the team. I think I'm from a different one.

Yeah, yeah. I'm from, yeah. It's like further south. Yeah. What side are you from? I'm from the other side. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so I realized I'd shot myself in the foot in that moment.

But I had to maintain this life for the rest of my college career. Just like Ross from Friends. You ever see that one? Wait, go ahead. Ross from Friends, he like fakes a British accent, his like first day teaching. Yes. Because he thinks they'll pay attention more. And then he has to hold it for like the whole semester.

And then of course, like, what do you do? It just slowly dissipates over the course of your undergraduate. Yeah. Then you get, you're like, I don't want to do the accent anymore. Yeah. Guys, come on, I don't feel like it. Come on. And I'm acclimating to Nebraska.

Like, I'm losing my accent. I'm trying to get rid of it. Like, you start build this story. And then that's when I realized, like, damn, I am, you know how you flip it? You're like, I should write fiction. I'm not allowed. I should, I'm a story storyteller. I'm just a really imaginative person.

Yeah, yeah. I love, yeah, literally my man, he loves to say that like, he's like, well, because I'm sure you have this too, now that I'm figuring out we move the same in a lot of ways. when I tell a story, there's pageantry to it. Like if I say there was like a hundred people outside, obviously there's probably realistically too. But that's not the point. I've heard of hyperbole bitch.

Yeah, hello, it's color. We're adding it to the story. So anytime I recount a story to my husband where he's not there, he'll be like, is that what really happened or is that he always like fact checks me a little bit? And I'm always like, yes, that's what really happened. I always say yes, even though it's not. Because he knows, I was like, the gist is true. Yeah.

Everything else is just decoration on the tree. Like the tree is still beautiful. Obviously, you're enjoying it, but like, it's just decoration. Yeah, I'm trying to give you an experience. Why don't you want experience? This is like 4DX, but like storytelling. Yeah, scratch and sniff. Come here.

There's more to this. Just look. That's crazy. I don't tell good stories unless I've written them. Really? No. You don't think so? I bet that's not true.

No, I get in my head. I'm very, and I have to stop watching so many TikToks on 2X speed. Like, I'm not having original thoughts. Me too, I do that a lot. Me and my sister joke that like sometimes when I watch stuff, like things that are not supposed to have that feature, like a movie or something, or someone talking for a long time. I'm like, oh, I wish I could 2X this. Like when I'm watching and I'm like, I get it, I get it.

But like, oh, I wish I could 2X this. Yeah, I'm experiencing that kind of brain rot too sometimes. No, I have it. I'm rotted up for sure. My literacy rate is declining with the journal. Like every day. I'm like right to read a fucking book. Yeah, it gets chipped away just a little bit.

Yeah. Have you read anything recently? Recently, I'll be honest with you. What I'm reading right now is a fan fiction. Oh, about what? Are you familiar with Avatar the last airbender? So deeply humiliate? No, this is amazing.

Okay. He had a little boy with the blue era. Yes. Go ahead. Are you familiar with him? Yeah. Okay. And the girl, Cora, right?

Katara, yeah. Oh my God. This is so good. Take that out. Take that out. Okay, well, there is, no, there is, you said Cora. Yeah.

There is another avatar in a different show. Her name is Cora. And you would know that. Yes, I would. Yes, I would. I'm intimately familiar with that, yes. Essentially, there's two characters in this fake animated series that I think should have ended up together.

This fan fiction is about another world in which they do. I love you so. Keep going. Keep going. I literally have been reading, and I'm so dead ass. I've been reading it like legitimately on my phone. Of course through Safari on my phone. Of course.

It's like between work breaks too. It's like, oh yes. It's in between anything. Anytime I'm laying and I'm looking at my phone, if you think I'm doing work, I'm not. I'm reading my fan fiction.

That is amazing. I love that so much. It's probably better than how I find books, which is like on TikTok, if somebody clips a live from Dochi where she's explaining like her process. I'm like, you know, I still think I'm going to be a pop star one day.

Yes, of course. I'm rooting for you. Thank you. Yes. The Grammys are coming. The Grammys are loading currently. I'll just do whatever, Dochey's like, yes, this is what I did. I mean, that's fair.

She's got great taste. She's got great taste. She's wonderful. I'm reading a book that she recommended, and I don't know what it's called. I really should know what it's called. But I am reading it. I'm kind of. I can promise you I'm reading it.

I just don't remember the name. I've been there, though. I've been reading it since her career started, though. So that's really bad. It's like four years in. It's a slow burn, you know. I'm just taking, I'm taking my time, I'm savoring. Exactly.

See, I love that about us. We can reframe anything to be in our favor. I think that's a beautiful thing. That is so true. Yes. I can manipulate, I can justify anything to make myself feel better. And that is such, that's a positive trait. I know that it is.

I think so too, and I agree with you, because even when I've like talked with my friends or like my sister and we're talking about like breakups or something. Yeah. I'll always tell them like if, you know, my friends are like, oh, I just wish I had like, closure. I wish I'm like, well, give it to yourself. Yes. And I always tell them, make up the story. Yeah. What are you going to do? Come correct me? Yeah. Oh, I dare you. I dare you to come over here. Well, clearly they broke up with me because they, I'm like too beautiful and too talented. Like, I'll tell myself anything. You're not here to verify. That's true.

We only have the narrative that we keep in our head. That's what we need. So you have to write it. Or like, what was I going to say? It's like, this is how this happens to. I'm like a sieve. Like things go in and out. It's like, I know I have so much ADHD. And I learned about it recently. I don't know. Do you know your mental on this is? Oh, yeah.

You know, it's funny you say that. Yeah. Because I've been tiptoeing around an OCD diagnosis for over a year. Oh. I am recently, I'm closing in on her. Okay. But transparently last year, I was going through the fucking, I was being dragged through the mud girl mentally. Really?

That I got on meds for the first time, which had been a life savior. And I'm happy about. But I remember I made, this is like, of the few times I've made my therapist laugh. I don't know if you try this, but like, sometimes I'm like, I hope you laugh at my job. Like, am I your funniest client? Like, sometimes I want to ask her that. And so she was, she's very like, let's not use humor to cope. Like, let's talk through things. I'm like, okay, girl. You're like, and the Zoom call. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, who side are you on? Yeah. And so we're, we're like talking about, I'm like going through the trenches,

I'm getting on meds. And then I told her, I was like, so recently I saw something that makes me think that I might have OCD. And then she, to me, goes, mm-hmm. Well, that's not a no. And I was like, okay. And I go, so I just feel like it's true, but I'm so stuck in this right now.

I really feel like, I'll come back to you. Yeah. Let me get out of this and I'll circle back. Yeah. And then she kind of laughed and she goes, well, yes, remember I told you, we'll revisit stuff once we get through this. And I'm like, okay.

So she knows I have it. Like I was like So yes I'm very familiar With finding out later in life Your diagnosis Yes I mean I always knew

Something was off You know Yeah me too It was obvious But I just thought I was like I just thought I was silly Like I just thought I was You know I was like

I'm great I lie I manipulate I steal sometimes I love to shoplift That's normal Yeah Well something

Well I mean Okay A girl Yeah A young A teenage girl Making it in America, right?

So I was, I never really thought I had a problem. And no, listen, I love my brother. He had full blonde autism. So compared to him, I was like, yeah, you're like, well, I'm fine. Princess Diana. Like, I was doing great. And I just, nobody ever thought to look at what I was doing.

Because we were dealing with my brother, he was nonverbal. And like, he had a lot of health issues. So, yeah, recently I got a new therapist. Because I was looking for them. Pilly. Yeah, I feel you. Just a few of them. Yeah.

Just a couple. And I was talking to her and she did the ADHD test on me. And she came back with the results. And she was like, Nigerian lady. She was like, oh, oh. Your mind is like a thousand grass of pass. I said what? Like, stop being poetic.

Oh, yeah. You could have just said, yeah, you have it. Yeah, say the clinical shit. Definitely for sure, say the clinical shit. Like, I was like, I reported her. I reported her to the board. I did. You can't practice in California.

Yeah, good luck, bitch. Yeah, have fun. But she, then she gave me some Adderall. And all my friends were like, don't take it. Just start doing eye therapy and like getting redness. Yeah, yeah. Do Madgab on your phone. You're like, no.

I want to try it. I need the serious shit. So I got the pills, tried the pills, and used it for like two, three months so I could get, I think, the brain locked in. Yeah, like get the pattern of maintaining a thought for longer than two seconds. Right, yes. And then I feel like I used it to help me like an instrument, but I don't like to take them that much anymore. And that's fair.

Yeah. And that's good with time. Like, that's why it's nice to like do it slowly over time. Yeah. My sister has been telling me recently too. My sister's also getting, she recently is getting tested for ADHD as well. And she's also one of the questions she like sent me a picture of it and one of the questions on the questionnaire just to set up the test was like do you find yourself interrupting people frequently? Which like if you knew my sister, that's all that bitch does.

And like when you talk to her, she'll be looking like she's listening and she goes, I went to the story yesterday. Oh! And then I go, oh, you did? Oh, did you? And she goes, yes, I did. And you know what I got? And then we talk about her thing for about 20 minutes. And she goes, sorry, what were you saying?

and then we just go right back. I'm so used to it. It doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother you. No, not at all. Are you big sister or little sister? Little. Okay.

Which is ironic. Which is funny. A lot of times people are like, that's little sister shit, but no. No. I am. You're supposed to be better than me. Yeah. What's going on?

No, but that's. She's way more type E than me in a lot of ways, too. Like, I'm a very type A kind of girl and my sister. Like, this is a good example. We were in Vegas recently because me and my man are getting married soon. Oh. But we had a joint bachelor, bachelorette party in Vegas. and like the last day we were there,

we had to check out at like 12. And it was like nine in the morning. And we were like, oh, let's go shopping around like in the little stores and stuff. And she was like, yeah, I'll come too. And I was like, all of us obviously packed beforehand. So then we all packed, I packed the night before because that's how crazy I was about packing. And so then we go and we're shopping for hours. We come back and she goes, I'll go pack now.

And I was like, you didn't pack? She goes, no, I'm just going to zip it all up in one big thing. Oh. Oh my God. I was like, if you guys can't believe she was not. not packed. Like we had to leave in like five minutes and she's like it's going to take me like a second. And you have like a capsule wardrobe with photos of everything you're going to wear every day. And yes, I did. I got all my outfits and little piles with all my little things all down. So there's like type

A and type B and then I saw this on TikTok. There's like type C. Have you seen this? No. Is it like a mix of the two? It's like you have no god. You're just kind of floating. Yeah, I'm type C. I'm somebody like if you go on my phone right now, thousands of notes. I write everything down. Yeah. Do I look at them ever again? No. Of course not. Yeah, do I, I have a routine that's like, because I'm a mom now too. So it's, it's so, I'm embarrassed about the level of like routine. It's like I'm in a cult. Like I've created a cult.

I'm the solo person in the cult. And she's the leader. She's the leader. 815, boil her eggs. 820, purify her urine. Or whatever they do in coat. Like, change her diaper. But purify her urine.

Change her diaper. And, and it's just constant. constant, but then I never follow it. So there's that type C of like, you want structure, but you don't believe in yourself. You're like, I should have structure, but I'm always kind of fine. Yeah, everything's good. Everything, I'm with Drew. I joke about that too because my friend who's my assistant and my other friend who's my agent,

they're both type A women, but like to the utmost, utmost degree, like way more than me. And I feel like I'm pretty type A. And I always joke that whenever they're there, I can be whatever. I can be the dumbest bitch in the room when they're there because they're handling all of it. So I can actually afford to be type B when there's an even more type A person amongst me but that's not very common.

So sometimes I have to be Dada. Like I was like, I have to be Big Papa because nobody else is here to steer the ship. This is insane. I guess it has to be me. But I do want to pivot back to comedy writing. I would love to know, because I know we talked about Twitter and that was kind of where you started seeing

where you could sample. When did you really start getting into like writing in general, like, whether it was like full sketches, scripts, pitches, all of it. When did I start doing? Okay, well, back to college, I really wanted to write for the satire newspaper. Like, you know, like, and I had applied for the onion in Chicago. Oh, fun. And they didn't accept me.

And they said, fuck off. And I said, okay, no worries. They were like, you're making jokes about Nellie and Solange. Like, we don't know who those people are. Right. So, you know, and I just wanted to. to write for the newspaper at my college. And it was the same situation where I, like, didn't fit in with these weird,

um, quasi-autistic white boys. Right. I see what you made. You know, like they thought they were Harvard Lampoon, but we were in Nebraska. So it wasn't that. It wasn't giving that. And they notoriously have really bad taste. So there's that too.

White guys? White guys, yeah. Talk about it. Yeah. They have really, really bad taste. And so a lot of times when they're like, well, I don't find that funny. I'm like, well, who are you? Yeah.

Well, of course you don't. Look at you. What's your worldview? Yeah. I was like, okay, well, you tell me a joke. I'd love to hear it, I'm sure it's hilarious. Yeah, and it's, yeah, it's like, yeah, and her pussy was stanking.

I hate my wife. Yeah, I hate my wife. My wife always wants to go to Target. It's like the same shit. Stanley Cup every day, Stanley Cup. You're like, yes, I drink water every day. Yeah, well, yeah. Yes, in fact.

Yeah, so I'm totally gonna forget about comedy writing if I don't focus. Didn't take Adderall today? Okay, so I wanted to write satire stuff and I just started writing my own shit and trying to put it out into the world, tried to make videos, but I am so bad at videos. Really? Yeah, and I love TV, so I wanted to write scripts.

Yeah. And I was doing shows. I had moved to L.A. to do another podcast where I was the co-host. It was called Keep It. Yes. It's still going. With Ira. Yeah.

It was a great time. Except for it, they were so much older than me and now I have like clarity is 2020. Yeah. Is that the saying? Clarity is 20-20. It's 2020. I am an idiot. Clarity is 20.

Hey, it's all the same. I knew I caught, I caught your metaphor. Thank you. I got it. That's all the matters. No worries. You're not pretentious. There's orange on the wall.

Yes. This is where I want to be. Period. Hindsight is 2020. I was much younger than them and I was trying to keep up with their like pop culture references and everything. And my offerings would be like, did you guys see what Tierra Wack said today? They're like, you know, we're talking about Jane Fonda.

This is a weird pivot. Right. So I'm sure it added color, but I just didn't. know myself well enough. And maybe you can speak to this too because you podcast every day. Like you do this a lot. You have to have opinions and talk a lot. Yeah.

And so I wasn't really enjoying that. But I loved them and I loved the experience. Yeah. But I really wanted to just write scripts. And so I moved, I had moved to L.A. for that. And then I started, I think I was doing a show at the comedy store. And one of the comedians that wrote for Big Mouth was like, this girl's funny. Yeah.

And then. And that is the. perfect, I feel like, humor for you. Yeah. What you've been describing you really love to write about and like inform an opinion on. Yeah. Hell yeah. It was smart and it was inappropriate.

Yeah. And it didn't sacrifice intellect and specificity for the type of like dirty, raunchy jokes it was doing. Right. And I really liked that. Me too. And I was a fan of it. And I'm going to tell you this. You're going to like this.

Before I even moved to L.A. for the podcast, I was telling people in Nebraska that I had gotten a job at BigMount. Just lying. Just manifest, which is the type of manifesting. That's what I'm saying. I say the same thing. I'm like, is it lying or is it me just manifesting my reality? Yes, creating that reality. And then when it works out, you're like, I knew it. I'm a witch, maybe. And I'm supposed to stop lying even though it works. Yeah. Yeah. God, and maybe that's why my, I have no motion because I've stopped lying right now. My motion is slowed. I need to start. I get back in the saddle. I have MSG next week. I got to, we got to wrap this up, you know?

And then, yeah. So, yeah, and then, you know, he asked me to come. I interviewed and I talked to Nick Kroll and all the people at Big Mouth. And I was just so fanned out. Like, I realized, I love you guys so much. I've been watching this forever. And so fucking cool, though. Yeah. And I'm a huge comedy fan. Like, I'm a nerd about comedy. I wish that I was cooler about it. Like, when I met Will on the show that I just did, I just, I think I was visibly drooling. No, we have to talk about that. Yeah. Tell me about Big Mouth.

And he's mugged. He's hot. I'll say it. I'll say it. I'll be the first to say it. Will Ferrell's fucking hot. He's hot. I believe you.

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with OCD or unrelenting intrusive thoughts, no CD can help. Book a free 15-minute call to get started at n-o-cd.com. I find humor incredibly sexy. I find people who are so themselves, like really sexy. I think that's what I love about stuff like that, especially when you have artists, like Will Ferrell, for example, like someone who is so singularly themselves that I think people believe it's an act all the time, which like a lot of times he's in and out of a bit for sure.

But like it's, he's just so unique, like so singularly themselves. We were talking about Kiki Palmer earlier. Like she's another person like that to me. where it's like you're so yourself that people find you so unbelievably funny and amazing that they think it's like an act. But that's just how they exist and I think that's a beautiful thing. I think when people come to the stage like this is a stage even though we're like just being girls.

Right. This is still a stage and you have to decide like how you want to show up. Yeah, totally. So it's like a refinement. Yeah. How I want to show up is like distracted. I have ADHD and I don't know. But like I guess that's just honesty.

Yeah, it is. It's authenticity. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. It's cool. I think it's cool that you share that you have OCD and that you're fucked up. Yeah. Yes, of course. That I have a lot of problems.

And my therapist hears about them constantly. I know. Well, and there's power in it, right? Like, and that's another form of representation, I feel like, especially, that's like the beauty of, I would say, one of the good things that comes out of social media melding with this world. But I was going to ask you, like, if you feel like it's changed at all, like the comedy space now that things like TikTok are big and, like,

like reels are big like and obviously we talked about the death of Twitter or the Twitter that we loved. Do you think that's kind of shifting the space at all? Like do you think it's changing comedy and like depiction of it? Because a lot, I always ask comics especially because I also have such a longstanding respect for stand-up. I think stand-up is one of my favorite art forms ever. I I've always loved like making people laugh like you said, but I also love to laugh. So I love to be told jokes. I love to, uh, like, you know, think about people's perspectives through humor and comedy. Um, so I'm curious to hear your thoughts on like if you feel like things like TikTok becoming huge and people posting like fucking nothing but crowd work and being like, I should go to the laugh

factory and do it. Like that kind of mentality. I'm curious if it's like you've seen a change like in comedy and like the expression of the art form, I guess. Definitely, especially because like my background is obviously like the Nebraska rooms, which were, you know, I had to like make white boys laugh So I like right You were really shaped by the room that you're in That's such a good point yeah Yeah and so like TikTok humor

You know you if you're not on TikTok You don't know what I'm talking about ever Like I was off TikTok for a week And now they're saying stuff like What's the new thing right now? It's um Beating a Dead Horse Yeah beating a dead horse

I've seen that and I've seen quiet on the creek That's like yeah Santa quiet on the creek Yes and I know it was a saucy Santana song But that was like I just saw that Because I was offline for a couple days and I was like, what the hell is that? I have to catch up. Oh, no. You start sweating. Like, I remember, and someone asked me last night, they're like, what's quiet on the creek? And I just started going.

Yeah, me too. I was like, what? Are you having a seizure? And I'm like, no, no, this is literally what it is. You asked me a question. Yeah, you're also like, I'm answering your question and here you are judging me. And then they want like the full explanation. And it's like, well, I haven't heard the song yet. I'm going to listen to the song. I've seen the video promoting it. That's all I know. And that's all I know. I know. I know it's about being D.L. I'm assuming. And I know, you know. And And I know I sound crazy. So you can have totally different worlds of humor. True.

And I love that. Yeah. I love it all. I think so too. I think that's a really healthy way of looking at it too. Because I think sometimes I understand bristling if you're a comic, like a traditional comic and then you're getting annoyed because now comedy, stand-up especially has been watered down in a lot of ways because it's like it's so easy to go viral.

Yeah. With just one clip that all of a sudden it empowers men mostly to be like, I should quit my job and do this for a living. Yeah. When they have like one crowdwork clip do well. So I understand being apprehensive about it in that sense. But I also, I think I see it the same way you do. And that's probably my bias because obviously I came up through TikTok.

But I was like there's also so much humor and perspective on there too. Like it's like not all bad. Some of it is really awesome in the way that it's been able to blend. TikTok was essentially my doula while I was pregnant. Like fully it was guiding me like a magical fairy. Like I, people would be like, are you, are you, good? Do you need it? I'm good. I've been listening to mothers like month by month, literally like 38 weeks pregnant, 24 weeks. I would find the specific video and it felt like I had,

this is so sad and Genzi. I felt like I had a friend who was pregnant at the same time as me. It didn't matter if I knew the girl or followed her. Right. And that is the beautiful part of it. I will agree with you on that. Like connection, community. Right. Like it's, that's why when it's not being perverse and it's not being utilized in an evil way, it's amazing. Yes. I agree. And like, back to Big Mouth. I love that you were able to write with them, especially because I agree with you on the humor of Big Mouth. It's like similar to what I find hilarious because I've talked about this with Caleb too, but like family guys, one of my favorite like TV shows like ever because the humor is so layered in it. And sometimes it's just so downright fucking absurd that it's hilarious.

But I was like there are a lot of layered jokes and those kinds of shows like where the humor is so unbelievably funny to me. But then you have like, it's kind of like the office or like friends. Friends is different. I'll put that in a different bucket. But my point being sometimes their fans are just the worst. But I was like, so it makes you not want to look into the show, but I promise, it's hilarious. Like that's how I feel. I'm like, if you really look at it and that's how I feel about Big Mouth.

So I love that they were able to like understand and appreciate how your humor and what it could add to the team. But then also I would go too hard sometimes and everyone would look at me and be like, are you cool? be like, hey. I'm like, what if Mona is like, yeah, and then I creamed in my underwear and I could do it, I could do a, I could do a spin and keep the dick still inside. And they're like, whoa. They're like, okay, well, peel it back a little bit. They're like, well, don't be gross.

Yeah. Yeah, don't be great. Oh, my bad. I thought that was kind of our whole thing. Yeah. My bad. I thought we were vile, like, sewer demons, man. Okay, now, that's a great, creaming in your pants is a great,

transition to Will Ferrell. And you're in your new show, The Hawk. Yeah, the Hawk. I would love for you to tell me about it. Okay. And how you came to be involved with it and just like what you're most excited about. Well, I'm excited to be working again. Let's just start there because it's Hollywood.

Like when we were talking about things transitioning, Hollywood is in a very transitional place right now. That's true. Yeah. It's still trying to remind people that TV is good. Right. Because right now, you know, our comedians are coming out of stream. And our comedian, not streaming, but what am I trying to say?

No, streaming is a great one. Yeah, like, yeah. And it's like the bite-sized clips of everything. Yeah, clips and stuff. Like there's a different pathway to entry now. Right. You know? Totally.

And like I said, I love all of that. I'm not. No, but it does, it does make it hard sometimes, especially, like, for the more traditional side of Hollywood. Yeah. And it's like you've got to change your thinking about it. Yeah. So I auditioned for the show.

I had the baby in July. I auditioned for the show. show like maybe three months after and I had had a C-section. Damn, look at you, girl. I really, I saw Will on the email. I'm like, I can't say, I want to do this. No, absolutely. Yeah, I want to do this.

And women can do anything. I got chills thinking about you doing it right, fresh off of a C-section. Doubling over. Yeah, me getting chills. Women can do anything. We really can do anything. Literally. That's when I learned.

And in fact, having a child, people get scared. People are like, I don't want a baby my career and all this. The way my baby has whipped me into shape. Oh, wow. That's so beautiful. Yeah. What a beautiful thing. It's really sweet.

Yeah. She's amazing. Yeah. She's cooler than me. And then that's how it's supposed to go. That's evolution, I guess. And she's, like, she's so, the other day I was playing a Zara Larson song and she looked at me like, and then I turned on like the cure and she was like, yeah.

And she was like, now we're fucking talking. Yeah. Okay. You're being an elitist a little bit. Hey, that's misogyny. We'll talk about that when you get all there. Yeah. You're really male-centered for a woman.

For a one-year-old, yeah, we got to work on that. Super, dada, first word, what's wrong with you? I give you tit. Right. Every day. Yeah, you're all, no worries. I grew you inside me, but no worries. Yeah, no, chill, go ahead.

I was just like a vessel. I just opened a portal for you. That's not a big deal. So you did your audition. Yeah, audition. I was in a lot of pain, and I did not get that character. But then I got a call from a friend of mine who worked on the show. She wasn't a friend, but she became a friend after meeting her.

I met with Gloria Sanchez because one day hopefully I'll have a TV show. Yes. But then I auditioned for another character and it was the daughter of the caddy who's played by Keith David. Yes. Who is, I can't believe I got to. I can't believe the people I got to work with on this show. No, it's actually fucking insane. It was wild.

All star lineup. Molly Shannon. Mm-hmm. Keith David. Luke Wilson. Jimmy Taitro's really fucking. fucking funny. Like everyone has so fucking awesome.

Yeah. What a great lineup. And I was scared because it's like, okay, I'm a black girl coming onto this all white set. Right. You know? Yeah. I didn't know how it was going to be.

And I haven't had amazing experiences with white people. You know, I'm from the Midwest. You're telling me, girl. Yeah. Yeah. So I was scared, but they're, obviously they were all really cool. I didn't feel uncomfortable even one time. That's so beautiful.

It was good. Yeah. It was good. And I'm coming from my last show, which was like, directed by black women, written by black women. Cast was black women. And that was a life-changing moment for me too.

I learned that that was possible even though the burden of it was just so scary. But we know we got our two seasons. It's a beautiful show. I think it's a beautiful rap shit is a beautiful snapshot of like 20, 24

and 23 and 22. And we love Issa. We love Issa over here. We literally will die about Issa. I love her. She's incredible. Talk about being intimidated on set. Shit, I was going to say.

Like, if I was wet for Will, what do you think was happening? Right, for ESA. Sorry to my husband. But I keep publicly saying I was wet for it. You get my joke. He knows, yeah. It's comedy. I know, especially Esa, like, I love everything she does, but also the fact that she was, like, an online girl, like, came from online and, like, writing her own stuff.

Like, that's what I find so inspiring, especially about her is the fact that she was, like, I'm writing this and it's, like, for me and for my community and for us. Like it's like it's like that old thing where it's like if I want to be on TV, I'm going to have to write it my fucking self, I guess. I'm going to have to put myself in it and write it myself. And then fight the whole time. Exactly. Like with rap shit,

I know that I didn't have to see it because she was the EP and I was just one of the writers and actors, but I know they were fighting because like rap shit was even coded as a more, it was deeper into black culture than insecure even was. Right. You know what I mean? We were showing like a side of Florida, side of Miami.

Yeah. The characters were fully themselves. They were not apologetic about their blackness. And obviously that's the same for Insecure as well. But, you know, it was focusing on rap and hip hop. Yeah, totally. It wasn't necessarily about the bigger life things like work and friendship and things that could be really, like I know a lot of white women that watched Insecure.

Yeah. I don't know any white women that watched rap shit. Right, right. Yes, exactly. She was getting even more herself with the rap shit, I believe. Which is so fucking awesome. I got chills again. That's so awesome.

Women are amazing. Yes, I agree. And so yeah, back to the show. I did the show. I had to drive to, like, Newport Beach. I didn't know anything about golf. I was, my character doesn't know anything about golf. So it was a good setup.

And yeah, it's so fucking cool. Netflix. Incredible. And again, what an all-star lineup. But I think that they have wonderful taste, obviously, having you there. But I may, I do. Just take our rings up. just for a minute

but I do think it's a beautiful thing you recognizing the importance of things like rap shit for example because I feel like with me too like writing and that's why I was going to ask you a question about it because I am venturing into writing and it's very, very new for me I know and I'm like it's very new for me

I did try stand up because Caleb was like you have to try you have to try and I did try it and I think it's great I think I'd rather consume it than do it, me personally. But I think it's because I have so many other things that I'm going on right, that I have going on right now. But I really love the idea of writing comedy. And I want to write, yeah, I want to write jokes.

And I want to make people laugh. And I have just recently started writing. So I'm, me and actually Amanda are working on something together along with my sister. Amanda, Revely yourself. Amanda's my producer right there. That's amazing. She's helping, we're writing a pilot together. I have goosebumps now.

I just like, I love when people write because it's just like every, so I have a friend who started writing as well to when she's a producer and she worked for shout out Saba, I love you. She started writing and she kept saying like, I'm nervous, I don't want to do this. And then I read her script and it was so funny. I'm like, think about all these women who are holding the coolest, most nuanced, funniest stories. Yes. But they're stopping themselves. And I was like, you know everyone's a writer, Saba? Like everyone is a writer.

She's like, that's like saying everyone's a dentist. So no, it's not. Well, no, because one requires specialized training. Yes. I'm like, that's not what. But, you know, people will create things to stop themselves from being themselves. Yeah, like narratives. Yeah, truly.

And so when I told you, I read her writing, it was so good. And it's like, like, right. Like, look inward. It's okay. Yeah. It's okay. I know it's so hard, but I really support everybody. Journaling, cool.

That's, I think everyone, if you can do that. do that, but the specific act of like painting with words and ideas. Yes. Jokes are so fun. It's like timing and tension. I was going to ask like I would love some advice or I guess just generally about comedy writing specifically. Let me get Chad GPP.

Yeah. I don't have any thoughts. I'm just curious like especially writing like as a person of color because I'm literally all the roles that I've written like we've written together so far like the people we've written. I'm like, I'm first of all casting myself. Obviously. Obviously, I'm first on the call sheet, obviously. Dakota Johnson. Please. I need you to play me. Please. That's what I was like, unless Jason M.O is available, obviously no one else is built like me. So like clearly that's not going to work. But I'm just curious if you have any like advice in terms of like, I guess just like direction.

Like when you, because we have like the inception of the idea. Like we have, we know where it's at, where it takes place. The that general thing. But I'm really, I am nervous like what your friend was saying. I'm really nervous about writing, like, actual jokes into script. And, like, because I have so many jokes in my head. But, like, I'm just curious, like, how do you work on building confidence, I guess, in that kind of writing? Because I have so much confidence in many other things. But this is, I think, I feel confident about it, but I feel nervous because I have so much respect for it. And I want people to obviously enjoy it and laugh at it.

That's good. Yeah. Like, you respect something that means you're going to treat it with love and you're not going to, like, limp it out. Yeah. I think that's, that's, that's my. If you ask me about the having qualms with people in comedy, like when I see that they're pimping it out, like they want something from it.

Yes, exactly. That's when I get protective of it. Right. And I think it's good that you're protective. It means that you care. Yeah. And yeah, I think that this question is probably better suited for Quinta.

Or like somebody who's written something. Oh, bro, what are you talking about? You've been writing. You're right, you're right. Yeah. A lot of shows. Yeah, that's very true. That's why I'm so curious just, and especially,

you not being a white woman means a lot to me. You don't know me. I'm assuming because we were talking about no white women having watched your show. That's true. And I'm assuming if you were white, you would tell me. I'm backed into an African corner. But I guess like that's kind of my thing because you know that's like that is one of those invisible barriers that works against us a lot of times. Especially depending on the setting of your show and like where it's at and especially if you're in it.

I'm just curious. Like have you ever felt like you needed to curb that at all? your voice in that regard. Well, nobody's going to write what you and Amanda are going to write. So you guys have to get more specific. That's true. You have to get more specific. That's what's going to make it alive.

That's such a good point. You never wanted to hang out with somebody who's like, hey, how are you? How's your day? I'm going to the mall. They have great AC there. Like you want somebody who's going to tell you like, oh, I put my hand in the Dyson Airplay and I got horny about it. Why is my flesh moving like that?

You know, you want somebody to tell you something super specific. That's true. And then through that is the emotion of like, it's weird to be horny at the mall. Yeah. That's the emotion. Okay, that's such a good point because I... Be yourself.

My kind of comedy to like how I like to be funny is getting extremely specific. So I actually really do love that tip because that will help me. Because I've written a book and I'm writing... I'm currently writing... You have written a book. Yes, I have.

your book. No way. Yes, I have your book. Oh my God, period. New York Times bestseller, no way. Yup. What the fuck? Go ahead and jot that down. Yeah, that's, yeah, go ahead. So I'm starting to write a fiction book and I'm like, so that's why I think, even when I started working on this show with Amanda and my sister, I was like telling my fiance, I was like, I'm kind of nervous. And he was like, well, you've already written. I'm like, I know, but this is like for TV. And it just feels like a different animal entirely. I have a really undercooked theory that I'm about to embarrass myself and say but like it's the psychology like yeah I always imagine that there's a triangle right and you're like unfortunately in America the upside down triangle yeah yeah the top layer of the

triangle is going to be like white people and their humor middle class yeah humor and it's very Eurocentric yes and you might not really fit in there and we're going to keep going down it doesn't mean down like in your inferior but yeah it gets smaller and either way if you're standing right here where Drew is standing, where I'm standing, where Quinta's standing, whatever. And you look down to who's going to watch your stuff. There's still a point at the end of that triangle, which means there's one person there.

That's such a good point. I don't know. I got chills again. I was high. It made sense at the time. It makes sense now and I'm not high. Okay, good. Yeah.

Well, that's what I'm saying? I have to write my back. Yeah, I was like, what do you mean? As Quinta, I got a great one from you. That's a great. No, that's a really great way of looking at it. There's always one person. If it makes a man to laugh, if it makes you laugh, that means that it's going to make girls like you guys laugh.

And that's the point of writing. That's so true. You're trying to find your people. Yeah. And voice like you were talking about earlier. I saw you have to do. Oh my God. If she laughs.

If you laugh, it's funny. And we have been laughing. And I'm sure you do this too because like sometimes I'll like, even like I did an episode earlier with someone and he repeated a joke back to me that I've said. And I was, I was laughing. my ass off like I didn't say it. Like he was me laughing at my own joke. My bad. Sorry.

What were you saying? Yeah. So you're right. I need to remember that because. Oh my God. We have the same type of psychosis. We do because like I, I know it's arrogant sometimes to be like, my joke. I love my joke.

I was so brilliant. But it feels like a different, it feels like a different me. Right. And now I'm this me. Right. Laughing at that me. Yeah. And I want to fuck that me.

Yeah. It's like, I mean. And guess what? I want a tongue kiss that version of me. Yeah, because they were so good about that. I want to bring fingering back because of her. Like, that's, that, it's good. They hate when a bad bitch love hers, though. Listen.

I just love myself. And finds, and finds myself hilarious. Like, that's, of course I'm going to laugh. I talk to myself all day. Yeah, me too. Okay, this is another thing I realized recently. You know, people, that old adage, like, oh, I'm going to sound like an old prophet. You know the one that's like, um, comedy.

No, tragedy plus time equals comedy. Yes. The people that I love and spend the most time with, that time is so small. They're like, they like broke their leg and they're like, this is fucking crazy. I can't walk. Right, right. That, the people, and those are comedians to me. Yes, I agree.

They understand the world as a funny thing and that makes them feel better. Yeah, I agree. You obviously have that. Yeah, thank you. I know, I think, and you do too. Obviously, that's why we have the same psychosis like you were just saying, which I agree with. And I think that's like the beauty and people like yourself being on huge shows with huge names like that. Because I feel like it's important to see a different kind of perspective that way.

And one that's not like punching down and one that's not like dragging others in order to like lift yourself up. It's like it's one of those where it turns into like a purely just different perspective. Like I think that's what makes it so funny. Like when people are able to look at stuff and it's kind of like, But they, again, speaking of old adages, like when they say you can quite literally say anything, because a lot of, like, newer comics are like, oh, you can't say anything nowadays because everyone will get offended. Okay, so you're just not funny.

Exactly. So if you don't have the juice to do it, just fucking say that. But also it's like, that's not true. You could talk about or joke about anything. But if you do it in a way that's smart and funny, then people will be receptive to it. That's it. Yeah. And it's like broaching that little, like, divide.

Yeah. That is almost impossible for especially white guys. Like they like and even sometimes when I fucked up white guys before like comedians before online I've said like do you really think that like marginalized people I've never heard a fucked up racist joke? Of course like I think I've never heard a joke about women. I've never heard a joke about race like of course I have if I didn't laugh it's because it wasn't funny. Yeah. It just wasn't well written.

It wasn't good. Yeah. Like you need to workshop that. Yeah, you should probably work a couple more fives with that set. Yeah. And that was going to be my next question for you because this is my favorite question to ask, especially women in comedy, if you've ever been given notes after a set from a guy who thought he could do it better. Oh, you know, because I think we're in the post Me Too era, it's different. It's like.

Oh, it's approached differently now? Yeah, it's like, it's honestly so beta. Just bring back that old harassment. Right. This one is like psychological. That's what I call madmen misogyny. Yes. We got to bring that stuff back.

Like, spank me on my ass if you're not your breast. Like, you're just bringing me. Yeah, you got to hire me off my breast size. Like, let's bring that shit back. Call me Tuts. Like, where's Tuts? Tuts. Bring Tuts back.

Smile. Where is that? Like, nobody tells you to smile anymore, which is fine. I mean, I don't want to. But like, the way it'll happen for me now is all, I will kill, right? Right. Obviously. I'll, yeah.

Sometimes I don't. I can't lie to you. Sometimes it's. Enough of that. Okay. Yeah. I know you're killing every time. No, I just did a show yesterday where I was like,

God, I gotta stop talking about this. It's not funny. I've got to find what's funny about this. A guy pulled me aside after a show and I'd done really well and it was a big show too. It was at the comedy, no, it was at one of these spots. And I had performed to like a slew of Mexican men and their girlfriends that they had drugged to this Freddie Gibbs comedy show. And afterward, I got off stage and I was probably. probably one of the only women, like young women.

And the guy pulled me aside. I was with my husband at the time. He pulled me aside and he's like, that bit that you do about apps and like dick size and pussy depth. That's my, yeah, I have to stand on that. That's one of my jokes. And that's okay. It's something, I've done it only one time.

He's like, yeah, that would be funny except for like, most men do have big dick. like it was just Drew it was and I'm like you're talking about yourself oh my god it's Mr. penis size himself yeah he went and watched your set what of the odds the hell honor of greatness oh my god emperor penis I'm so happy you made it to the show

thank God you thank you thank you what an insane yeah it was psychological right I want to talk about your joke about sex to invite sex into our conversation yeah yeah so I feel like it it's stuff like that that I get in the in the in the comedy world God what's worse I don't even know yeah I don't know if note like notes on my tags is worse or that's worse like this is like you have weird dreams about it yeah you start to see his face in toast yeah yeah what the hell why are you haunting me yeah I don't oh my god that's so oaky spooky scary like men are weird and now that we especially

comics are they can be fucking weirdos comics are losers yeah If you're a female comic, hot, like, sexy and unique. Yeah, like, you were thinking you're an anthropological artist. Observer. Yes. If you're a man, you're a pervert. Get off stage. Stop it.

Put that mic down. Why are you holding the mic like that? Enough. Go to war. Seriously. You need to go to war. USPS. Yeah.

Girl, get a job. Yeah, when men say they're in comedy, and if you're not renowned, I'm like, oh, so you're unemployed. Yeah, you don't have a job. You're practically a magician. You know what I mean. at this point. You're a word magician?

Yeah. Cool. Okay. Weird, weird but perfect transition. I do have some fun facts about you. Oh. Okay, you'll tell me if they're fun. You'll let me know.

But this first one says that in 2017, you watched a solar eclipse with Bill Nye, the Science guy. Yes. That's fucking crazy. I did. Another hot man. A man with a job. Ridicously sexy, employed man.

Yeah. That's fucking crazy. Again, isn't a Midwest lore. Like, for some reason, in the, in 2017, the, the solar eclipse, the best place to see it was a couple miles from my hometown. What the hell? So Bill and I hosted, like, a massive science convention. That is so sick. And he got was on a huge stage.

He looked like Joel Austin. Yeah. It was fucking, like, mega church level. Like Tony Robbins? Yes, it was so hot. He wore a lab coat. He was open. It was a hot summer day.

Me and my friends drove like 50. 50 miles to go see. That's crazy. I would have done the same thing. Yes, we had on the glasses. He was like, look up. Look to the sky. And I just felt like a child again.

I'm like, Bill and I taught me like how water works. For real. He taught me like magnets. Yeah. He was my dad. Yeah. He was like literally my dad. Bill Nye was my dad.

That was my fucking dad, dude. Dad's daddy and us dad. And not many men can be both. No. No. It's very rare. It's very rare, especially for white men. That is so cool.

What a bucket list thing. That would be my fun fact for the rest of my life. It's crazy if that's on your bucket list and like you didn't even know it was happening. Like if you're like, well, one day I hope you like. One day I'll watch the solar eclipse with Bill Nye. And then I won't die until that happens. I can't die until it happens. Obviously.

That's so fucking cool. Okay. Next fun fact. You first discovered stand up while working at a bar in Lincoln, Nebraska, that had standup night, which we knew. That's true. And then this one says, growing up, you. played the cello in the school orchestra and you played drums and band for a semester? Play is such a generous word to give me because I did. I held those things in my hands

and I did. I did. I did. But like I also told you I had ADHD. So if somebody just flashed a new thing in front of my face, I was like, I could do that. Yeah. Well, and now I've, well, now I've conquered this. Now I'm on to that. Now it's time to get mediocre at another thing. So I did play those things but I played them all really poorly. I was a band girl too growing up, but I played the flute. I played the flute. It was a woodwind girl. Wow.

That's shrill. Yeah. Flute girls. Yeah. Flute girls always like in my school at least, my best friend was like flute. What's it? Number one. Yeah, like chair number one or whatever.

Yeah. And she was just so meticulous and pretty little fingers. Yeah. You know your best friend when you're a kid? Like you love her. You fucking hate her. Yeah, exactly. I hate you.

I want to be you. I either want to fuck you. And I will unpack that later. Yeah, that's for later. That's for 24. Right. But right now, she was, yeah, she was great. The flu girls are.

Yeah, I think so. I even so, though, I will say, yeah, I was like, yeah, I was one of those bad bitch flu girls. But I will say, though, I did stop playing the flu after, I want to say elementary school. Yeah, because into middle school, I, like, made honor band, which is, very cool. I actually just told this story at my Bachelorette party because we were having dinner and I was like, what's the most embarrassing thing that's happened to everyone? I'll start.

Oh, you're one of those dinner ones. Yeah, I'm one of those people. I'm like, I'm trying to stimulate conversation. Yeah. Or doing like, would you rather's? Like, those are so fun. Yes, yes. And so I was like telling this story there, but I basically I made honor band, but you get called, like my teacher would call us up to come to the front and accept the award, which is just a medal. And then that's how you know you made honor band. For context, I had to wear white, top, black bottoms.

I wore these black velvet pants that, like, flare. Flared out, obviously. And so my mom was like, those are a little too long for you. They're too big. And I was like, you don't know anything. And the drip needs to be good tonight because I'm going to make honor band. So I insisted on wearing them. I rolled them like a thousand times, but they were still very long.

So anyways, my name gets called. I'm fired up. I'm like, oh, my God. And I was first because my last name. Yeah. So I had to walk all the way to the front of the stage and walk across. So he puts the metal on me. I get it.

Take my picture. Turn around, start walking back. As I start walking back and I'm about to turn the corner, my foot gets caught inside my pant leg, pulls my pants to my ankles. No. To my ankles, bitch. No.

I literally hog tie myself, like, together, feet together, fall flat on my face. And because it's floor mics, because it's orchestra, sounds like Thor landed outside. Do-Zoo-Doo-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D. And it like echoes all the way to the back of the room. my butts up, my Haynes target underwear out,

pants around my ankles. I literally inchworm flat, like pull up my pants, get on my hands and knees, crawl back to my seat. Don't know why I chose that option. I think I was just so humiliated. I had no way. I remember what shoes I was wearing. I remember what my hair was because I was so traumatized.

I crawl back to my seat and you just hear my knees the whole way back there. get in my chair. And then the guy, I remember the kid next to me, his name was William. He was like a nerdy little white kid with glasses. I sit there. I sit in my chair.

I turn and look at him. He's looking at me like this. And then I go, and I look at him and I don't even know what to say. So then I'm like, what? That's like the first thing I said. Now you're mad at him. Yeah, no, I'm gaslighting him.

I'm like, what did something of note happen? This is weird. The hell are you looking at? And that is funny because, I bet now in your healthy adult phase, you're like, so that's the day that people found out how fat my ass is. Yeah. It's still a beautiful moment. It's a beautiful thing.

Either way. And I remember, I don't remember a fucking second after that because I remember sweating through my white button down because I was so embarrassed. And then I walk outside, concerts over. Everyone's kind of looking at me and like, right? And then I go finally find my parents. I'm like walking up to them. I obviously clearly don't really want to talk about it because I'm humiliated and I've processed at least some. of it. And then when I walk up to them, my mom goes, told you they were too big.

Yes. As a mom, the part, like, while you're telling that story, the thing I was thinking about now as a mom is the deep satisfaction. Like, she felt, she's like, at least she got on her band. I don't show you. Hey, she's fine. She learned to listen to me. Yeah, and honestly, I was like, right. When she said that, I was like, I mean, you got me. What can I say? I'm on the ropes.

Yeah. What can I say? I showed my, I showed hole to the whole school. So obviously the pants are too big, mom, thank you. Yes, you win, okay. No, but listening to your mom when you're a kid is so lame, it's so uncool. And that's why I was like, to be fair, she warned me several times. And I wore her shoes that night too, which were also a little too big, and that's why they got caught in my pants. Yeah, too big for your britches.

Yeah, the whole thing. I was like, you know, and sometimes I feel like, especially the way our mindset's been working, I needed things like that sometimes. Like King Kong hitting those planes out of the sky. For sure. I've seen that movie. I needed my ego to be swatted out, like, just in case. Otherwise, I would have turned out to be, like, fucking Jake Paul or something. Yeah.

I would have been trying to fight black men, an older black man. I'd be Mr. Beast, and I'd be making poor people eat each other. Yes. You know what I mean? Like, if I... On the thumbnail, like... I needed something bad to happen so that I could make sure I don't turn evil. Yeah.

Because they knew where I was headed here. That's good. I'm trying to think if I have a... I guess it's a hero origin story, right? Yeah, a hero. Villain, anti-hero, whichever one. Do you feel like, okay, if you had to pick, we're going back to writing character words. Yes, yes.

Are you anti-hero, hero, or villain? I like an anti-hero. Okay. Who are your favorite anti-heroes? Ooh. Hmm. I really like, yeah, Walter White's a great one. I think, honestly, hmm.

That's such a great question. I like Wanda from WandaVision. Wanda Maximoff. She's from Marvel. I didn't get to watch that. That's Elizabeth Olson's. I watched a little bit of it. But she kind of like turns evil, but the shit she's doing it like makes sense.

Like it's one of those where she was doing good for so long and then kind of went evil. Okay. But I feel like a lot of Game of Thrones characters too are also very anti-hero to me. I'm like thinking like John Snow, low-key. Is he anti-hero? Low-key, because he has to do terrible things in order to continue to keep moving the way he is. Yeah. But then he ends up killing DeNaris and I hated him at the end.

Well, we're also in an era. We might be coming out of it now. where anti-heroes were like the, I think from like 20s, I'm going to say since Walter White till maybe around now. Anti-heroes are, first of all, what's a hero? Like Peter Pan? Yeah. Like, Aladdin?

Like, who can relate? Do you know a man who's like Aladdin? I agree. That's why I fuck with anti-heroes because it's one of those where they're morally gray in a lot of ways. Like it depends on who you ask, like, if whether or not they're evil. Because it's like to them, their actions are. are justified to a certain extent.

And I find that a lot more interesting. Yeah, they're human. Like, I'm gonna, good classic mode is Phoebe Waller Bridge's character Fleabag. And we got a great one. Amanda, see? That's a great one. I know, because when you find out the twist at the, like, yeah, like, then you're kind of like,

evil bitch. Yeah, and then you start looking at the whole thing way differently. Yeah, but then, like, especially, you know, we all probably at this point now, 30 grief. There's been a big grief. Like you lost a friend or a family member. And if you remember that time afterward, you were living in such a weird limbo

where you were kind of doing anything, at least in my experience. No, that's true. Refusing to look at it. Yeah. So I was just like, yeah, I'll fuck that guy. Yeah, I'll fuck his girlfriend too. Yeah, it's like a shark.

Like you're moving, you're moving because otherwise you'll die. You're a bad dude. You're a bad person. Yeah. You're looking for, you're looking for like stimulation. Yeah. And so I related to her. Like every scene in Flea back.

I'm like, damn it, I've done that. Damn it. And so I love anti-heroes. Now I'm starting to shift toward people that are, like, they want to do good things. Maybe this is from working with Will too. Like I learned a lot about character development. Love. He writes characters that, like, are trying to do the best thing, but their shitty traits are holding them back.

Yeah, I love stuff like that. They're earnest. They're good people. And like Mike's sure. Mike's sure. I should know his name. But again, we pronounce white men's name. Right, and that's, and that is our right.

Yeah, and that's literally in the Constitution. I'm allowed that. His name is easy. It's like, sure. It's like, sure. Like, it's an English word. Right. So he, like, writes a lot of optimistic characters, and I like that now.

I didn't use to write like that. Yeah. I wanted to write the deepest, darkest, most fucked up girl in the world. But now I'm starting to, I'm starting to see the joy in life. So I think that that's really changing. And I think that's a beautiful way of looking at. the evolution of your writing too. And like even like as an artist, like an actor,

like the portrayal of characters and how you see them and understand them differently, I think that's a beautiful thing. And even like when I talked to Alana Glazer, when she was on here and we were talking about like how she, you know, did Broad City and everything and writing and she was telling me that she recently had a baby, got married.

Yes. And she told me that she had took a break right after she had her baby just to kind of like be present with her and her new life and everything. And she said, I think it made me a better writer because it's like, I see life so differently now that I've had a child and now that I'm married. And like she's like the way I see and right now is like a lot different now.

Like because I'm in a different phase of my life. And she was telling me this was like right around the time I took a break. Like I took a break for a bit online because I was just getting really overwhelmed with everything. And she was telling me it's a good thing to do that. Even if you do it like you're in a new season of life and you do it. And she's like because then it refills your cup and your ability to write. Yeah. Like because you can't pull from nothing.

Yeah. You have to observe news shit. Exactly. You have to see something new about yourself, about the external world. I think that's a beautiful thing that it's like kind of evolving your writing in that way. Definitely. Giving it a new layer. Yeah, I have a heart now.

More optimism. Yeah, optimism. Because the world has to be good because I have a baby and she has to go into the world. That makes you want to cry. Yeah. Like before I had a baby, I was so like, oh, this shit sucks. This shit is ass. Like we're going to die.

Monsanto. Like anything. Like I was so. focus on negative things and I'm still focused on those things. But now I end with optimism because like I have to feed my daughter. I can't be worried about GMOs forever. I have to eat a couple microplastic. It's okay. I'm going to live. Right. So yeah, it's just it's changed my worldview. It's changed how I see the world. And like I said, she's so cool and she deserves everything. And I'm just working so that she can have all those things. And that's beautiful. And I think that

your artistry and the way you've been depicting it, even before you got this new informed perspective, was just as valid and important. Yeah. Because it's also a universal experience in a lot of ways. Like the things you've written about and spoken to, people can relate to and connect to. And that's the phase I was in. Right. Some could call it sex work.

You know? Like, I was out in the streets. I was having a good time. And so I was reporting live from that. Yeah. Which is all you can do. People worry so much about their voice and their brand and what they're going to put into, you just have to report live from where you're at.

Right, and that's being an artist. Yeah, like more than anything. It's being able to feel it and like understand it and then put it into some sort of art form, which I think you're really good at. And I think that's why you're continuing to see success and continuing to do well and work with these amazing people. But I think that's so cool about how you were saying working with Will Ferrell has like helped character development in that kind of way too.

Yeah. Because I also agree that those kinds of, even like when you were talking about, about someone who has all the best intentions, but they have a lot of shitty traits. Yeah. Like, I think about Michael Scott in the office, which is another perfect example of like, and that is like the best part of that character is that like it's not really his detracting traits that are like a hallmark of him. They're just really annoying things about him.

But he has a good heart underneath at all. I think we like characters who are trying. Yeah. Like if I see there's effort being put in. And that's real life too. Yeah. You know, we live in like a very cut. off culture. I'm like that bitch. Like I don't like her. Totally. How dare she tell me that I am late

to dinner. Yeah, right. Exactly. So and then in people I just look for like who is trying to move with intention, like who's trying to work on it. And that's the characters that I want to see in the world too. Like people who they're not just sitting and how awful they are. They might have to do some awful shit, but it's all a type of survival. Like it might not be physical needs, but it's emotional needs and that's another thing I'm learning with my kid is like we just do the shit that we need to do to get our needs met yeah like we're just like she's not trying to be wicked she just wants me to pick her up from the little jail that I have her in I need her to be in jail right now I'm making dinner but so she's everybody's just trying to get their needs met and once I

understood that it first of all the cutoff shit stopped I was like grandma here out of here before it was like I don't care how long you've known me grandma Yeah, stop being so familiar. And now I give people second chances. Well, I think that's beautiful. And I think that's a wonderful, other than just like understanding that, it's like understanding, like, maybe that's where I was and not like holding resentment towards your past self for it. But you're like, but I just don't want to be there anymore. I think that's a beautiful thing.

And I agree with you about the cutoff thing. I think that's also a generational thing. And I think it also is tied to brain rot in some way because. And optimization. Exactly. I was just, and I was just talking about this in therapy yesterday. Yeah. Because I was telling my therapist about Love Island, if you can believe. But I was only telling her that sometimes when women are extremely, extremely judgmental of other women, even if you're not counting it in that horrifying context of Love Island.

But a lot of times the first thought is like, oh, you're a bad person and I don't want to be connected to you. And I think I was like, I understand that that can be very black and white for. larger things like bigotry but sometimes I was like I extend this empathy especially towards women but I'm like sometimes women are not the best versions of themselves and like if you're connected to them to wolves yes part part of like unpacking your internalized misogyny first of all and then also being a good friend and a sister to someone is loving them through these terrible phases like sometimes it is so hard to love girls through these awful situations but like I'm like that is like the true experience of sisterhood to me is like coming going through it

and coming out the other side of it. I'm about to cry. What's your sign? I'm a Virgo. I'm a cancer moon. There we go. I'm a Margo. And it's very.

I'm about to cry because you're you're speaking to something that I think is like one of the ills of being a girl right now. I agree. It's so bad. It is. It is so bad and it's like. And it's judgmental and it's finite. Like so like quick. Like, no, you're done and I don't ever want to talk to you again.

And I got that bitch up out of here. Yeah. Literally all she did was tell you about yourself. Right. But we've created this thing. And we could talk about this for hours. Like, I think it's a result of the work, the real work we had to do in the Me Too movement. Yes.

And the real work we had to do with talking about police brutality. Yes. And it just, and then also we live in a surveillance state. So everything has led to us being hyper critical of each other. critical of one another because we need it for our own safety. I agree. I've said the same thing. Yes.

See, this is my fan. Yes, literally I said the same thing and I was, and if anything, I was saying like, that is one of the hardest parts of unpacking your internalized misogyny is understanding why sometimes women have to make certain choices. Because I can, I'm only talking about women in this very small context, but like sometimes you have to understand the larger system that is almost inherently forcing them to do this. And you can love people from afar. Like, even if it's, if it's, if it's,

from you energetically or physically or literally, you can love them from afar. But like, I was like, I can't imagine a world in which I don't love my, my truest best friends, like women that I love and adore through everything. Like, that includes shit things. Like, sometimes your friends are not going to show up 100%. And sometimes they're going to be going through awful things. And sometimes they're going to be dating awful people. And I was like, oh, the things I've loved my women through.

Yes. Then you have to adhere to that too. Like, it's radical acceptance of the people. people you love. Because on the flip side, I don't want to just get on women for being like, you know, cutting people out of their lives. But sometimes you need to do it for your nervous system. Right. This girl is doing too much. Right. I want to be there for her, but it doesn't make sense for me right now. Exactly. To keep this young woman in my life. Exactly. And that's the nuance. And I pray for her. Yes. And I want her to have a better life. Right. You have to go do that in

somewhere else. France or wherever you're at right now. Away from me. Yes. Yeah. And that's like, that's why holding space for both. Yeah. Right. And understanding when you cut people off or move them, off to the side until they can figure it out. Or you can love people through it. Like it's all very specific to your situation. And I think that's why I'm like to judge so quickly and so finite is such an online thing. Yes. Because it's like it's also you're talking about kids who went who live through COVID.

And kids their social skills are are much lower and they don't have this like real life experience. Like this real life experience of like sometimes people make mistakes. And that is what matters more as a. accountability and change moving forward. Yeah. As opposed to you made one mistake. I know now you're a bad person and I never want to see you again.

That's it. Yeah. And I was like, but then you have no community. And that's why young people are like, I don't have any friends. How do I date? How do I do any of that? And I was like, unfortunately you have to make peace with sometimes people are going to disappoint you.

Sometimes your best friend's going to scam you out of $2,000 and go get a BBL and you're going to have to forgive her and you're going to have to never get your money back. And yes, I'm talking about one specific person. and I love women so much. I thought she was calling me. That would be crazy. That would be spooky shit that would be happening with girls. But like this story was, so one of my friends, I started like a, she's no longer really

a friend, but I still care about her. She started. I have some girls like that too. I think we all do. We're like, I see that she was trying, like I just said, like you're trying to survive. Go do that shit over there. You're doing Looney Tunes shit over here. Like stop this.

Right. So she started to go fund me. and it said gender affirming surgery. And this whole time I've known her to be like, this woman with no desires to change herself. Right. But look, when you see gender affirming surgery,

you'd like empty your pockets. Right. Especially if it's your friend. Yes. I don't know what's going on with you, but I love you and I want to support you. And then I donated some money and posted it for her. And I think she got to her goal.

And then she kind of dropped off the face of the planet. And I did not hear from her for months and months. Interesting. And she called me one time and was like, like, yeah, you know, I had this uterus thing. I had to go to, had to go to a different country and get this done. They only do this surgery there. And I said, okay.

Yeah. And then I started to get suspicious because she was like at the beach when she told me that. Like, you're in the South of France. And like, I'm counting and I'm like, hmm. Yeah. And I, this is a long way of saying, I think she got a BBO. Gender affirming. Which is it?

Low key, she's hilarious. Because that's true. That is gender affirming care. That is true. You feel more like a woman. This is the body you want to be in. That is really fucked up, but low key funny. I hate when people are accidentally funny when they're being fucked up.

When you're manipulating English language. When you're being fucked up and then you're kind of funny, that's annoying. Damn it. Yeah. I was hurt because I felt like she'd lied to me. Rightfully so. I didn't like this like manipulation thing. No, not at all.

So I had to cut her off. And I never talked to my therapist at the time because I was like, what do we do when women wrong us, but we don't want to make them, like, pay for that? Yeah, totally. And she was like, forgive her and move forward and don't incorporate her so deeply into your life. Because I struggle with that. I'll like, like, I just met you. I want to, like, give you my social security number.

Like, it's like that. And give me your baby. Yeah, you can have them. I trust you. We've been talking for 45 minutes. Perfect. Yeah. Perfect.

You don't need to know anything else about me, but you can give me your baby. That's it. I mean, she probably will be like, mommy. Yeah. That's because you're cancer probably too. I'm sure. You're very. Yeah.

And you're very emotionally connective. Like, that's like naturally. You're just, you want to connect and be connected. And I think that's a beautiful thing. And I actually had a very similar experience to, not to the BBL, but to like having to remove someone out of my life that I didn't want to. Yeah. But it just kind of forced my hand. And it was like, I truly believe.

And I've said this to girls who have asked me before. I'm like, sometimes you have to wish them well. Mm-hmm. And my hope and prayer for you is that they come back. And they come back a better version of themselves and you are a better version of yourself and you can be better friends. And like my girlfriend that I had to kind of let go a few years ago, she actually came back and she came back better. And I'm better and older. And we're older now.

We're in our 30s. And like we're able to reconnect in a different way. And I think that's a beautiful thing. And I really do think too it's like the mark of sisterhood. Like it's having tiffs with your girlfriends, your girlfriend's annoying the shit out of you or your girlfriend's being. Absolutely bat shit crazy. Yeah. And then you just got to be there.

Like one time my friend was like ranting to me about something and she was like giving me this whole dissertation and she was talking uninterrupted for like 40 minutes. And I was just listening. And then she was like. Yeah. And then she stopped and she goes, do I sound crazy? And I was like, I mean yes, but I love you. Yeah.

I was like, you do sound, yeah, a little bit. But like I love you. And that's what you need. Like we're girls. Like one of my home girls right now is going through a breakup. God bless her. It's really hard. And like I'm hearing the same story every single day,

the same emotion every single day, but we're girls. So that's what we have to do. Like I'm going to be there for you at every step. Yeah. The military doesn't know anything about that. You ever been clocked in? Like I'm saying the military, they clock in and they work for the government. This is our version of military service.

Oh, my God. It's clocking in with our girls who want to rehash the same shit over and over and over again till one of us dies. Yeah. That is service. Service. Listen, I'm serving someone. I'll tell you what.

You're serving God himself. Yeah, hello. That's why I was like, when I'm sitting here and I'm reopening it with you for the 37th time. And we're revisiting the same pockets and I'm going, yeah, see, no, we already went over that. And you're doing the same jokes, same punchline, same insult, same beats. Yeah, and then at the end, I'm like,

and when you're in the phase where you want to make fun of them, you let me know. Yeah. Because I got a gang of jokes that I can't tell you now because you're too sensitive. Oh, you're so good. I'd be going way too. I go way too hard. I'm like, and I never like that nigga for me. He was bald and his hair was so shiny.

It's funny because me and Caleb have been together receiving information from our friends before about people. Yeah. And it's funny because my sister is like your friend where she's so sweet and so innocent. And so our other girlfriends talking, me and Caleb are sitting together. My sister is just like her. And then we're listening. And then we haven't said anything. None of it sounds good.

We haven't said anything. And then at a certain point she said something and I can't say it, but it was just something so specific that we both were like to each other and Caleb goes, I haven't said anything. I haven't said anything this whole time.

And we were laughing and I go, yeah, okay, but I have to jump in now. I'm going to have to say something now. Like he sounds fucking awful. And then we start kind of baby stepping into that. And then my sister goes, man, thank God they're here. Because if I was just here,

I would be like, wow, congrats. Well, honestly, the back thing you have, will listen to someone speak for 40 minutes, You're a saint. Like, you actually are, I'm not doing that level of work. I'm not nearly as mean as people would assume. No, you're not mean at all. You're an angel.

I'm like, I like to get to the solution way too fast that I hurt people's feelings. Like, you've been talking for 25 seconds. Let's wrap this up. Like, what are you going to do? No, he sucks. He should die. Yeah, that's it, period. And I don't want to hear anything less.

And that is like, I'm trying to stop doing that. I'm trying to be able to, like, focus. I have this new thing now where I repeat what people say in my head so that I don't change the topic. I'm like your big sister. Like, I will change. the topic just to serve myself and my own agenda. And I need to start working on that. So I'm like repeating what people say and I'm not trying to rush to the solution.

Right. Because to me it's simple. Like it's we shouldn't, why are we investigating every nook and cram? I feel the same way. That's why I really had to work on that. That's what I'm saying. I've really had to work on that. I've been very, in fact, like there have been times where me and Caleb are in the same

group chat and then he'll text me separately and he goes, hey, are you vibing with this shit or what? Because obviously he's very blunt and very direct and I was like, you say something this time. I'm always the bad guy. You fucking do it. I'm going to be the supportive girl. Yeah. That's my job. And so sometimes he has to go in there and say something. But I do think that is an exercise,

a muscle I've had to exercise because I did the same thing. Like I'd listen and I'd be like, right, well sounds like he hates you and he's not attracted to you. Yeah, and that's an unfortunate truth. And you should be with someone who's attracted to you and he's not, clearly. Yeah. And that is one of those things where I feel like women need that kind of information. But it's, in my experience, it's downloaded and processed better when it's given in bite sizes.

Yeah. Sometimes, especially when women are very, they're in a space where they're really convicted about it. Like, they're like, I know this is the one. I know this person's the one. You set up like an IV. You have to do a slow IE drip of information. Like, I can't. You'll die.

Yeah, like I'm taking poison out of you. I got to do it little by little. Tiny sucks. Yeah. It's like when I'm quiet quitting work and I'm stealing things just one little thing at a time. Papercliff on Monday. Sticky notes on Tuesday. I'm taking an office chair next week.

And I always tell my friends, I'm like, and when you're in that phase where you're ready to light that bitch up, let's. That's my favorite part of the breakup. I have a cannonball. My favorite. And I was like, oh my God, I have been lighting up a group chat without you ended up with this joke. And now I get to put this joke in your group chat. And the group chat is called like, this nigger sucks. And it's about how shitty your boyfriend is.

And we be going ham. Yeah. And see, that's our way of processing. Yeah. So we don't tell you whenever you're ready, we'd love to include you. Please. Yeah. I do have one last, fun fact about you.

Okay. Okay. Last one is that you were accepted into law school, but you deferred your admission for a year to pursue comedy. And within that year, you realized you wanted to make comedy your career. Yes. Okay, smarty pants. No, that's one of those annoying stories that's like, you know, where people like,

I gave myself a year and I said if I don't make it, then I would go back to the normal world. Well, I'll tell you what, getting into law school is not easy. Yeah, I wanted, that's the only reason I went into philosophy with my waning Australian accent. I wanted to be a public defender and I was interning at the public defender's office for like a year or so. And it was chaotic and it was so incredible. Oh, I love when women are smart. Thank you. I love it.

That gives me a huge boner. Wow. Yeah. I love it. That's why I can't put this leg down. Otherwise, you'll see it and get uncomfortable. I'm really happy. You're hard.

I think that's fucking incredible. Yeah, I wanted to be a lawyer. I still, I still, my, I married into a lawyer family. Tea. My mother-in-law is one of the cool. She taught constitutional law at UCLA. Like, she's a bad. Damn.

She's so sweet. It's got this. Lawyers are so cool to me. They also are so boring sometimes. Lawyers are super sweet. They have big hearts, but they're so, like, focused on the rules.

Yeah, totally. They care so much, but it's very rigid how they care. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, like, lawyers are. It's real, like, syllabus, coded. Exactly. They love a good syllabus, a lawyer.

Yeah. Me just saying shit. You love the law so much that you stuff. That's why I don't want to do it. Like, I took that year off, and I was like, Mommy, please, I just want to be a, I want to tell jokes. And she was an African woman, so she was like, you don't know.

Like, you get to, you get a year. Yeah. You try it. And in that time, nothing happened, except for I got on Wilden Out. And that sounds like a huge thing. But I was kicked off Wilden Out so fast. What? Drew, I'm so, fuck, fuck.

Like, I got on this show and I was like, this is it. This is my moment. Yeah. I used to watch Wilden Out all. the time. I loved well than I love music, so it was a perfect crossover. And I did well on the show. I remember the thing that got me kicked off the show, though.

I was, yes, I remember the day we were in Atlanta. It was sticky as fuck. I came inside and we were all supposed to do this like joke thing where you find someone in the audience and you compare them to like a celebrity. I don't remember the name of the game. Yes, yes. So I found a woman who was sitting by a white woman. It was a black woman sitting by a white woman.

And I was like, well, Listen up, y'all. I got Rachel Dolazzo. And Rachel Dolazzo. And to me. And that didn't land? Nobody knew what the fuck. I think it was like, it'd been exactly, it was so dated.

It was like a dated. You think at the time? Nobody left. Not a single person in the audience left. That's so funny. Listen. Okay. And that's when I learned there's different types of humor.

Right. And I got kicked off the show. Wrong room. Wrong room. Yeah. wrong arena it was a huge massive theater it was the most embarrassing moment of my life oh my god and i'm going okay i'm not funny that's fine like i'm i'm too weird it's just like it filled that story that i've always had like you're too weird go home yeah and i cried in bed about a manager called me i cried

in bed for a little bit and then i went back to new york where i was living and doing stand-up and there was a producer who works at irony point who shout out dan powell because he's the coolest it's a white man who's name i'll say correctly you understand yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Yeah, yeah. He has done inside Amy Schumer. He's done, I think you should leave with Tim Roberts. That's one of my favorite sketch shows ever. So he was really tapped into this sensibility. Yeah, and especially, I know what you mean, that weird.

Like, especially I think you should leave. Like, that is so, I'm sure, I don't know if you have this experience when I tell people have you ever watched, I think you should leave. It's sometimes, if they've even heard of it, they're like, yeah, because it's a very specific kind of humor that I find hilarious. It's a good litmus test for, am I going to be friends with you? I agree.

Like, I'll play it. I used to also play Detroiters. It's all Tim Robbins. Oh, yeah, I was going to say. Detroiters. Have you watched the chair company? Yeah, I watched the beginning of that. Yeah, I only watched the first episode.

I haven't stopped. I haven't finished it yet. Yeah, it's one of those, I'm like, I don't know why I stopped. It's Tim. Yeah. I would die for him. I got to stop. I got to stop.

I feel the same way about him. You know what I mean? Yes, of course I do. And, um, Let's take the rings off. Let's just let our finger get some air. Let's just, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he.

So you met Dan Powell. Met Dan Powell. Well, I had spoken to him when I was in New York, and he was like, look, I got a new show on Netflix. It's called Astronomy Club. I know you said you wanted to be a writer. Why don't you come and audit the room, which is the coolest thing anyone ever. Like, I sat in there and it was really cool.

A sketch comedy show, a bunch of nerdy black people who were like flipping Shakespeare, but also writing about ludicrous and like just being full people. Yeah, totally. And not kind of shaming me for not knowing something or for knowing something. Yes, I know what you mean. No shade to wild and out, but it's a specific type of humor. Yeah, and it's a specific room like we were saying. And you needed a different room.

Like that one that you could reach. I've joked about this with my friend too who does like she's really comedy facing where I've told her like sometimes I think there's this thing where like your interest could cover theirs, but theirs can't cover yours. So sometimes you'll make jokes that maybe they're not understanding or really viving with. And it's just because their interests can't cover yours. Like I can joke with you about that stuff, the stuff that you find hilarious. I can laugh with you about it. I can relate to it. But sometimes, like I, for example, like, I've made like a river sticks joke before and it doesn't always hit. And it's because sometimes people don't understand

what that is or what that is in reference to. So I know what it's. you mean. You're like kind of like it does make you second guess sometimes, especially when you're not a white woman. Yeah. It's like hard because you're like, well then where the hell? Who the hell am I going to laugh? Yeah. You know what I mean? And the triangle, that's when a triangle come back in. Exactly. And I'm going to, and I'm going to, and I. Honestly, I'm going to hold on to that triangle like metaphor as I continue with this show that I'm working on. There's always someone you can make laugh. Somebody knows what the river sticks is. I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. I think it's Grecian or something.

That is true. Yes, it's in hell. Yes. Oh, okay. Yeah, somebody will always get you. I used to let people's reaction decide whether I was going to keep doing that joke. And now I don't. That's such a good point.

You know what I mean? Like stand up is, stand up, you should be having a conversation with the people in the room. Yeah. And I love that part of it because I just talk to people. Yeah. I love really hyper-polished performers. and I think that's so brilliant and I try to do that.

But most of the time I just like to talk to people. Yeah. And yeah, so somebody will laugh. If you're making a, you start to study humor a little bit. You're making a really, like, esoteric river sticks, mystical reference.

Like, it's going to be hard for people. Yeah, it's a little niche. And you just don't read no more. You know what I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. Exactly. So, but it's, yeah, like I've, that you learn about yourself then and that's your voice yeah and i and i and honestly i first of all

i think we've fallen in love you and i think so i think so too i think you and i are going to have to take our relationship to the next level that is my feeling after this but i do want to say just to kind to wrap us i think you are incredible and i'm really glad that i got to have this talk with you for many reasons but the main one being like it is really cool to talk to someone who has had a lot of experience not just in writing but also in acting and just kind of the way you see humor and you see character development and you see that kind of like I guess like how that unfolds when you're creating something because I've been very nervous about making the show like especially writing it for TV like I've been so nervous about it like I'm and I'm never really nervous about stuff like that typically

because I'm like you said you write for your own humor and that is kind of how I've done everything I've done like I'm like well I thought it was hilarious so I'm going to do it that way but for some reason I think I was like even without consciously thinking it. I feel like I was thinking, well, everyone has to find it funny. Like how do I write it in a way that everyone finds it funny? But I really think it's fate that I'm talking to today. I'm going to be so honest with you. Yeah.

Like you can, now you have my number. You can call me. I love to give notes because I know that it's so hard to find somebody who wants to give good notes. Yeah. And like in a helpful way, not in a way. Because sometimes you know this too, I'm sure. In this industry too, like sometimes if you send it to someone, like I don't know if you're like giving me. good notes or these notes because you don't want it to do well or are you about to nab my storyline exactly

like that's not to nap my shit exactly and that's why i'm like Caleb's like one of the few people I trust to read stuff like that and not do something like that to me but it's really hard and now I have you well which is even better and that that's another thing I was going to say is like you're not a white woman so that's the kind of perspective I need like allegedly we have in fact check that wasn't a fun fact I unzip I'm and you're rachel dolezal oh my god let me mind out, that'd be crazy. But I would love to get your feedback and stuff. I think, I just think you're so important. And I think, and I'm really grateful that you're continuing to elevate and continuing to write and contribute. Like, I think voices like yours are so important. And they,

they give me courage to keep going and put mine on TV. I already love you. I love you. I love you. I've been watching your podcast for a long time now. I never imagined that I'd get to sit right here in the yellow chair. Yes. And impart wisdom on me. Yeah. It's beautiful. And learn a lot. Likewise. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I fucking love you. You're the best. And it was so nice to meet you.

If you guys couldn't tell, we did just meet. Yeah. Even though you couldn't tell because we were so viety. Even though it's like we're the same person, there's a line of symmetry right here. We're literally the same. Literally. We're folded hot dogs. Yeah, we're split in half of you and I.

Yeah. But thank you all so much for tuning into this episode of the comments section. Thank you so much to my amazing guest, Ida. Where can everybody find you? I am on Instagram, on shut up, Ida. People have told me to stop limiting myself with that username. but I'm not going to change it. It's already none.

Yeah, it's too late. TikTok, I don't post a lot. Instagram, I post a lot. Yes. And also your show? My show, The Hawk on Netflix. I was also on rap shit. Yes.

On HBO Max. And guys, be looking out for more stand-up because I need to focus on my craft. Not that I'm done acting with Will Ferrell, I guess I have to get back in the saddle. That's how you know I'm not on a TV show. I'm like, got to focus on stand-up. Waiting for that series regular.

I feel you, I made that joke on here once where I was like, well, obviously I didn't get the part because I'm still here doing this. So obviously. Yeah, I'm pretty free. Thank you so much for joining us. Love you. You're the best. Thank you all so much for tuning in. Don't forget new episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday.

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