The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - ALL TWINS ARE BAD Ft. E.R. Fightmaster | Episode 163

Episode Date: April 2, 2025

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Obviously, we know you're a Gem and I already knew that about you and that you're from Cincinnati, Ohio. Okay. Listing my disabilities. That's crazy. Hi, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me, your favorite, who cares about me? Who cares about me? On to the guest. Today we have another iconic All-Star, the legendary, the multi-talented ER Fightmaster.

Woo! Welcome back. I felt nice. I bet. That's what I do. jerk everybody off just in the beginning just a little and then I want kind of to be torn apart there you go I got to edge this is a takedown build you up take you yeah yeah yeah I'm so happy to have you back um I have only grown more and more obsessed with you in our likewise in our absence from one another

watching you all your long you know getting getting your book listening to your but I chose to listen that is because I wanted to hear your voice it was horny if you haven't heard because we miss each other it's horny because it was activism but it was like which is funny because I've heard my voice

I feel like I sound a little cornball but I don't feel like that when I hear my voice in other things just in my book for some reason I don't ever need to hear my voice and I have chosen only careers in which I'm going to hear it all the time and every time I hear it I'm like that's that's fucking gross You were telling me that you've narrated audiobooks.

And you've done audio erotica. I have. I've done audio erotica and which was hard. It's like fun, but it's hard. And you, you know, talk about like feeling like a cornball, you know. That's what I mean. Yeah. Are you doing fully at the same time?

Like, if you're like, you're spanking, you're like, I mean, you'd be surprised. Well, it is weird also because I was doing it with someone who was like there in my ears. Yeah. Okay. It's like I'm listening to this like femme with this gorgeous professional audio erotica voice and every once in a while like she'll have a line of dialogue and it'll come into my ears and I'll be like, huh. Forget where you're at for a second. Yeah. Yeah. The noises that like I make when I'm like turned on are like, they're certainly not. They're not registering the same way. I'm acting. It's the hardest acting I've ever done. I bet. And then you narrated someone else's book. I did. I narrated someone else's book. I did. I narrating. narrated Coriate McCarthy's book with Manawar.

And it was this book about this trans kid in Ohio. And that was hard because it's three days in a cave, as you know, for like 10 to 12 hours a day. And like I was telling you, they like, you're reading for somehow two hours straight. And then suddenly someone be like, hey, can we stop you? Like that's actually not how you say sis. And I'm fully like, I fucking edited out. Hey, fix it in post. I want to keep going.

I don't. I did start at the end of it. You know, you go kind of insane. And at the end of it, I was kind of like, well, why don't you just, why don't you just say it? And we'll dub it in. Yeah. You go and take over for me then. Why don't you do that?

Take the reins from me. Rip it, Angela. I don't care. What's funny is when I did mine, I had the producer she was great too in my ear. And she did stop me a few times. I think the hardest part was when they were asking me if I could record some laughs. every time they ask me to do that they have to be forced which inherently makes them corny so like yeah the amount of times i've had to force my own cackle and it doesn't sound anything like my real laugh

but i just kind of have to give it to them fake laughter is like it's so much harder than fake tears i know it's really really hard especially because like my own laugh is like it's a honk it's like a honk like a ha and then a want that. Yeah, they're like, yeah, that looks gross. Can we try a different laugh? Let's do something fun, natural, something a human would do. Think regular human laughter. Can you do that? Think less boat, more person. Well, you are a successful actor, which we didn't really get to talk about last time you were here, because we were in the middle of the strike. And we were being good noodles about it. But we didn't really get to talk about your acting career. But I am now venturing into acting. Okay. Yeah, this year, that's my new thing this year.

I'll tell you about some of the reads I've been doing after we get off this episode. They can't know that yet. Are you doing self-tapes? Yes. And I would love tips on self-tapes because... How are you holding up? Talk about corny. Yeah.

Nothing feels more corny than me recording in my own home. I literally told my fiancé because he had to help me run lines the other day. Of course. And I felt like I told them, I would almost rather just go on to the set and just get started. Because, like, doing this is, like, so much worse. A hundred percent. They are so hard. and their relationship destroyers.

I, like, in my last relationship, I had that person reading lines with me all the time, and somehow it always was like, we literally imploded, you know what I'm saying? Like a fight. This time, I would never let my partner do it. I'm like, I want this to work. Yeah, for the sake of our future.

Yeah. We can't run lines together. Because it's the same thing. It's like you're trying to get, it's the same thing as like the being corrected on your pronunciation during like audio erotica. You're like, I am trying to enter a flow state and you're, and you're saying stuff like, hey, do you want to, they have an and there? Do you want to pick that up or like, and you're like, we've been recording for four minutes and you're going to stop my ass because of an and.

Get out. I'm starting fresh. Guards. Sees them. Yeah, I, that's how I felt too. And I just feel, it's funny because when I was running the lines with my fiance the other day, I felt like each pass at it, he was getting more animated. Yeah. And I was like, hey, King, go ahead and dial that back for me, all right?

You're off camera. Yes. All right. Let me. And then you hurt them. You're trying to outshine me on myself. You can feel that for the right person or for the wrong person, really, that they're like, okay, fine.

Da, da, da, da, yeah. No, you can bring it back up. Yeah. No, it's so hard. It's so hard. And we really have lost the opportunity as actors, unless you're like at the very end of the process to go in front of. people like physically and I think it's so important like because my iPhone is not capturing what like what

a TV camera can capture yeah and so I'm over here looking 5-7 you know what I'm saying yeah and and I'm lit in my home I'm not I don't do lighting yeah so I look like I'm wearing like a brown mask on this side this side you completely blown out I'm 5-7 I'm upset like you can see a shark painting in the background. I know. All of it is taking everybody out. And if I can go in the room, also it would prevent people from sending me

these sides that are like, absolutely like demure secretary. And I'm like, I assure you I won't even fit at your desk. And if you had me in the room, you'd know that. Right. No, for real. I started doing my slate. I started doing it next to my office door so they could see,

like how big I really am because I, sometimes I'm like I need you guys to visually see I am a big bitch so like if you're putting me across from a man it's got to be a tall one like I'm being so serious because I stand next to the door frame so they can see just how tall I actually am it's hard for tall women I know that's why I did one thing one like commercial thing but it was like a social media commercial thing and I remember telling them I am tall so like if that matters optics because I knew there was a guy in the commercial too and they were like okay yeah and I I was like I genuinely mean that I am tall so if you're styling factors that like I would keep

that in mind they were like okay they gave me like a tall boot so I was probably like six three when I got on the set and then when I got on he's five six so then they had to get they made me stand in socks and then they gave him like two little platforms so that we dug you a hole and they made me sit go on my knees and then put shoes under my knees like a little rascal Oh yeah, I've done, I've done like sex scenes where they had the actor stand on an apple box. And this was a woman, but they were just like, hey, it's looking scary. Which is weird because they like that dynamic with heterosexual couples. They like it.

And I think they're always like trying to figure out how like especially with like a, like this was, you know, especially if you're like a non-binary person like in these relationships with women. they're trying to figure out how not to fully alienate an audience while turning them on. They're like, if you look gigantic, that's too scary. But we do want you to be taller because you're the man, but you're not a man. You're the boy. You're the boy. You're kind of like, we kind of want like, oh gosh, we kind of want like Pete Davidson, but with like nice little tits.

Do you see what I'm saying? See, but he boy so boy tall. Right. You not boy so you. not tall right so there are going to be rules and i hope you're ready this down no i'm so glad i i do not envy you for like having to go out and stand next to men because the do you remember i don't want to fucking drag anybody so i'll say it positively do you remember that movie tall that was on netflix oh the tall girl tall girl the worst thing that could ever happen to her in her life like when they

were fully like she is tall like it's demented right look at this freak the log line being like demented freak tries to survive and you find it it's like a beautiful 5-11 blonde woman right Cameron Brink okay no for sure she's built like Cameron Brink looks like her and then they're like look at this circus freak it's a story of survival of adversaries fighting against the enemy and like the big I don't even I don't think I made it all the way through because I was like you know projected too much onto it but like a big turn is that she is able to like bags a man that's short and like doesn't hate her for her disgusting size and I'm watching me and like this can't be this I guess this is honestly what these studios think about yeah tall straight women or just tall

people in general yes that are not men like a studio but there are so many ideas that creator friends of mine have that they're like no that sorry that's really complicated And they saw this idea and they were like, we love this. This really cements how we feel about women. This story needs to be told. Yeah, they're like, that's a story of resilience, sure, but have you ever been a tall girl? Do you actually know what it feels like to be a tall girl? This is the only DEI that will survive.

Yeah, for real. They're like, we'll see now we can't get rid of DEI because then tall girl. Yeah, what's going to happen to tall girl? What's going to happen to the tall girl? I remember in the movie too, I know she says, like she had like a size 11 shoe or something like that. Okay, petite. Which honestly is not even that big for tall.

Petit ass. Yeah, for being a tall girl. That's not even really that big of your size. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. My feet are pretty small for how tall I am, which you would think is like, oh, petite. But it makes my feet look like pegs and I hate that shit.

Like when you do, when you have Bratz dolls and you take the feet off, that's what my feet look like. You're falling over. Yeah, I was like, I would rather than be a little bit bigger so they balance my proportions a little bit better, but whatever. I remember one time I was, I had in college one of my roommates when year was a basketball player and she was like six five and so I for Halloween one year she had texted me and said like hey do you think I could borrow some of your like converse for my Halloween costume and I was like yeah I wouldn't care like what size are you and she told me she was

a 13 and I was like oh I'm sorry I'm not a 13 she because she's like I'm a tall girl so she assumed I'd have bigger feet and she's like what size are you and I was like I'm a nine and a half you're a nine and a half she was like what the fuck and then she was like roasting me for having such small feet. And see, I did get pissed too. So I was like, all right, all right. Not too much on me. I would keep it private. Not too much on me, girl. Geez. Uh-uh. No, no, that's a little secret that you can have. I was like, and don't tell anyone. You don't need to be flexing in that way. But do you have any tips for me for self-tapes? Dear God. I mean, like, my, my memory has gotten truly since, since like, COVID and we were locked

inside the house and I spent that whole year like no one's I don't think anyone's ever died from weed but I got really close but I was testing that limit that's for sure yeah there were helicopters I was getting flown out um no after I really destroyed my brain that whole year I it takes me like five days to learn the script which it never did before but being the most off book like truly truly having like a couple of nights to sleep on those lines so that you have the opportunity to play. Yeah. You know what I mean? So that the recall, recall gets in the way of your flow state. Yeah, that's so true. That's crazy. You say that I just said that to my fancy history. It's true. It really is true. But no, that's that's the realest thing. I like, I always want,

I never, I just directed a short film. And like, one of the things I said to my actor was like, want you to have all of these words in your bones because I actually don't know what I want from you yet. And I want you to show me what you want. And then I'm going to tell you what I want. And we're going to meet somewhere in the middle. And I can't do that if you're like, what is it? Okay, okay. Thank you.

Yeah, like trying to remember it. Yeah. Well, that's, I'll ask you a question about directing in a second. But that's really such a good point because I was telling my fiancé the other day, like, because the way I learned in school, because I've, photographic memory so I like imprinted on my eyelids so I I just read it a million times and memorize it but I was telling him I was memorizing in the beginning when I would get scripts I would memorize all of my lines but not necessarily the flow of the conversation or what exactly they're

trying to accomplish what they're trying to talk about and that was like easier instead of remembering them verbatim yes remembering the flow of the conversation so that I remember what to say when and how to say it kind of deal that's that's probably really smart like just like in the you know next to their line putting their even putting your own emotion while listening yeah because i do think that if you get really if i know what they're going to say there's almost a part of me that is forgetting trying to forget what they're going to say so that i can be like oh shit yeah exactly and then i just pick ahead of time like you know i'm picking this arc for myself and so like when i was on gray's this whole arc was like i have a thing to accomplish

and here's this little woman who's like helping me accomplish it but like she's stealing all my attention so even the way that I held my body towards her was always like here's my work and here I am coming to you like with only my head like you know what I mean just like my body language being like you are pulling me away from something you this so it feels magnetic yeah and I think when we you know we had great chemistry anyway but there were those like I even did a thing on the show where I stood mostly with my hands behind my back and I think when we you know we had great chemistry anyway but there were those like I even did a thing on the show where I stood mostly with my hands behind my back and because I liked the idea of needing, having a physical restraint. Yeah. You know? And so all of these like these, I think. 50-50 if my zippers up or down anymore. Take my pants off at home.

They come off easy. I'm like, I thought it was four hours I was walking around. Netflix is a joke presents. Nate Bargatsy Big Dumb Eyes World Tour, a special live taping at Into a Dome. I think it's because I'm peeing so much longer. I watch young people come and go. I'm like, tell my family I'm okay.

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So that the person who's watching me, whether it's on a self-tape or on a screen, is not even really listening for what's being said. They're watching me deliver it with my like magnets. Ooh, I love that. I'm going to use that. Do it. I'm for sure going to use that. You're an established actor. I'm not.

No, I appreciate all the tips. All my actor friends I've been asking for tips because I think it is in the subtleties. And also it's like one of those, I feel like as I'm going through the very infancy stages of doing acting, some of my friends have told me too that sometimes it's like casting directors or people will have like very, solidified ideas of what they think this character looks like. But if you approach it that way, they can put your face in there. It's easier for them to let go of what they pictured and see you in that role. Yes.

That's why I love that too. It's true because I've worked in a writer's room and it was so helpful to me to work in a writer's room because you get to be involved a little bit in the casting. And so you do. You spend months creating these people that actually can never really exist. Like they're never going to exist in the exact same way that you have them in your head. script goes through so many network notes and changes before it ever gets to TV. Yeah.

And then when you go through the casting process, we are looking for anyone we audition to be the answer. Yeah. So I used to go, before I was in a writer's room, I would go into a lot of things being like, maybe they do have something in mind. Like maybe this is what they want me. No, no, no. They want you to be the right fit.

And they would love to be surprised. Are you kidding me? Like I think casting directors also get so excited where they're like, we didn't even think about this angle. Yeah, that's so tea. And this is so, like, silly, it compares to but not. When I've seen, like, John Chu talking about casting Glenda, and he was talking about how, like, when I heard Ariana Grande wanted to try, I was, like, already in my head, I was like, I'm not picking her, because I don't want to pick a big name. I don't want it to overshadow the thing, but, like, I'll give her the shot. But he was, like, in my head, though, I had already decided I wasn't

going to pick her. And she specifically asked, like, can you please not see me as Ariana Grande? they like I want to come in like as like a normal person and you just auditioned me and when he he said when she came in she like came in with none of her normal makeup none of her normal hair and then he had no choice but to imagine her as gilinda because she like that's cool made sure to like change his mind with how she approached it so that's too because she changed his mind like you just said well and it's so weird because actually it's the same advice I would ever give like a young person when they're asking about how to be in the creative field is like the thing that makes you special is that you are one of one.

And actually all of us are one of one. And there are for sure going to be actors that really fit a mold. And so they're going to do this same type of role over and over and over again. And I think that's awesome. I mean, truly really like admirable to like nail that thing. That is like easily consumable. Yeah. But I'm not easily consumable and neither are you.

And that's the thing that makes us taste. so fucking sweet. That's true. You know. Okay. Tea, Barry, look at you. We are really the sour candies of the industry.

Yeah, that's so true. You know, not everybody's going to love us, but the people that love us, we are the only thing that they buy. Yeah. So I'm like,

I'm not trying to be licorice because no one is ever going to think of me that way. That's true. And I even said to my team recently, I was like, I was getting offers to audition for things that were like, we're looking for a woman or anything else.

And I was like, okay, I thank you for sending me this. This looks really exciting. If they're looking for a woman or anything else, they're not looking for me. Right, exactly. They're not looking for me. It's more realistic that if you send me out for something that's we're looking for a man and we're open to things, that I might be a really pleasant surprise.

Right, exactly. But I'm not delivering traditional femininity in a way that that casting director is probably looking for. And even the version of non-binary that they're looking for is probably more femme presenting. And so you just have to get kind of real. You've got to get real. Like I know where I fit and I'm trying to be authentic. Yeah, that's so true.

Because even the few times I've talked to my actor friends about like reads or things I've done, sometimes I'll get reads for stuff, which it's obviously a woman. A lot of times she's like in her late 40s. Okay. And I was like, okay, so you're auditioning one young hot person and then everyone else is 40. Love that. Yeah. And it's normally someone who's like, you know, she's like confident, she's loud,

she's whatever. And I'm like, okay, cool. But some of the auditions I've done, it's become increasingly more clear that they, I wasn't the kind of loud that they were looking for. And that wasn't exactly how I was playing it. Like I wasn't playing it like over the top. Like I was kind of, I was kind of leaning back a little bit just in showing it in other ways. And that's not what they're looking for clearly.

because they, you know, didn't give it to me. Well, I have to assume that they're looking, like, if I had written a character that was a Drew-A-Falo type, Af-Wallo. Tell me how to say it. Off-Wallo. Thank you. You nailed it.

Thank you. If I was looking for a Drew type, I would bring you in. And if you gave me a really subdued Drew, I'd be like, oh, fuck. You know what I mean? Like, so there's part of that, too, is like, I will ask. It's like a balance of. It is. You don't want to be a caricature of yourself and you don't, I think a lot of people think that the trick to acting, I've seen this happen with a lot of comedian friends is like they get into the acting space and they're like, I know what acting is. It's when you like suck all the joy out of your ass and you are really still. And like I've definitely fallen into that. I've had my moments where I've seen that like, I've lost my little spark. But I think I think they do want you. And they can always tell you to tone it back. But if I see somebody and they are really subdued, it's harder to imagine them popping.

I'd rather see somebody pop and be like, okay, that was fun. That was so fun. Yeah. She's a little bit more calm. Yeah. Like everything that you're giving me, but a little bit more grounded. Love. And you've said you've worked in writers rooms.

Obviously, you've been acting. And then now you've directed to, do you have a fave? Any one of those? Or when you lean a little bit more towards now? My favorite thing to do is probably music. But acting I do really love. And I love it. And you're fantastic at both.

Thank you. I feel the thing about acting, this is a really silly answer. There's an ease to the existence. Right. And it's not what people think. It's that, like, you know, we're multi-hyphenates. we're always working with acting you do get treated a little bit kinder because you're an asset and they need you there and they need you here at this time and then they like they have this really

ridiculous understanding that actors who i find are that are often the smartest people in the room they have this understanding that actors are complete morons and like should be owned by the state and so they take you everywhere on that golf cart they are driving you around like you could not possibly know how to walk And I am in the golf cart being like, I know sometimes when you're on stuff like that, you're like offering to help do things. And they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, sit down, sit down.

Sit down, idiot. Yeah. Don't touch that. Sit down. It would be like a toddler helping with the dishes where you're like, no. Yeah. No. Okay, thank you.

You're a great helper. Thank you. You go and sit down. It's such a big house. Yeah. But they're all really, they all inform each other. And the thing that I, it makes me, you know, like you talk about it like we're like the sharks like if we set up when we die yeah the thing that

is really driving me is a curiosity about how to make the best art possible totally and writing helped me understand casting and helped me understand directing and directing helped me take a script that was not mine and make changes to it that needed to be made and understand that when I get network notes I'm not being personally insulted on my writer's script you know what I mean yeah and writing Being in a writer's room helped me understand really acting better. So they're all informing each other in this way. And strangely, comedy is the thing that has helped me best understand music. Because with music, here you are in front of a live audience.

And anything can go wrong at all times. And only comedians can handle that. That's true, too, like adapting, right? Like being able to pivot. My God. This episode is brought to you by Billy, taking care of yourself. is very healing. Like just a hot shower when you're feeling stressed about work or some cringe encounter can make you feel so much better. Billy gets that and it's why they make amazing products for every

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's yours. Your hard work is yours. Yeah. You spend so much time in a really lovely way. It's like such a journey.

You get to spend so much time helping others create their baby. Yeah. And then the music is my baby. Yes. You know what I feel like? I feel like one of those, um, those nannies that have children at home. Yeah. Yeah.

Who's raising your kids while you're raising someone else's kids? Oh, 100%. And I love these kids. But I am neglecting my own. That's so true. Because I need to live. That's so true. Because I, unfortunately, need to live.

So there is that. But I know you've been touring your music. Yes. How do you like tour? Touring is fun. I mean, you get to be with people again. Yeah. Like, I bet you felt that way with the book.

Yeah, live performing is really fun. I hate the logistics of touring itself. But live performing is always fun. Yes. It's like traveling though. I've told everyone they're like, you don't like to tour and I'm like, no, because I feel like I'm on the run. Yeah. Oh my God.

I feel like I'm on the lamb. Yeah. Need it somewhere all the time. Yeah. Yeah. And really something is expected from you all the time. Mm-hmm. And not everybody understands that just you need 15 minutes or you'll kill them.

Yeah. I just, I actually just need 15 minutes or you'll be dead. please yeah get out go away dude on tour i literally was like yeah my faith is being tested for sure like my relationships are being tested because when i did my book tour i me and my sister toured um we did our podcast but it was promoting my book and so it's like live performance book signings like meet and greets like the whole shebang but because i rolled deep i like took i took both my parents i took my my man my sister my cousin my assistant my brother-in-law was security like i took took so many people. There's probably like 11 or 12 of us on a bus together for like a month

straight. And half of us haven't really stayed together like that. So we got close and we got close quick. Like yeah. Oh my God. It was like after week one I was like it's starting to feel like survivor a little bit. No one's been voted off the island quite yet. But we are barreling towards that. Yeah. And we're getting we're getting older. You know what I mean? I'm not like I'm not 22 where I'm like it's so fun to figure out how everyone else lives. I'm a million. I literally Every night we were like, we would have probably because like, have you toured on a bus? I'm about to tour on a bus. Okay.

See, you know what's crazy about it? I preferred the bus. Okay. Than staying in the hotels. I honestly, it's like, you know, you need like a home base, especially when you go on tour. You need somewhere that feels like home. And so every time we were off the bus, I was like, my Shayla. Every time the bus was leaving, I was like, please come back.

Oh, yeah. But I remember every night we would have to, we'd probably wrap the show around like 930. 10 and then the driver wouldn't come to like midnight so we would just go back on the bus and wait till he came it's like the driver hours or whatever and so in those like two three hours we would have some downtime and the my brother-in-law is like 23 20 going to be 24 so him and like the younger people in our group would be like let's go out and then I was like okay you guys go out goodbye bye I would sit and eat ramen on the bus in heaven in my pajamas and then my man would be playing Eldon Ring on the bus and that's what I was doing.

Man, that's romantic to me. Oh my God. Talk about horny. That is horny to me. I went over to my partner's house yesterday and she was like, what do you want to do? And I was like, I think I want to stare. It's nothing. Legitimately.

And then she was like, that sounds so nice. We sat on the couch, cross-legged, not looking at each other. No TV on. No music. fine. That sounds a little spooky, but I support you. If anybody would have come in, it would have looked like we were plugged in through our buttholes. You know what I mean? Like the couch was charging us. They're downloading the information of the day. And her schedule is like equally nuts. So we are fully like, you have to find,

I do think that it's so helpful sometimes to find somebody that says like psychotically busy as we are. Yes, I agree. There's so much grace. I agree. And they just, they understand and they get it. Like, especially if I, when I'm in those stretches where I'm working all the time and I'm sleeping barely at all. And then, like, I'll try to open something and I can't open it to the point where it brings tears to my eyes. And then he'll come and he'll be like, I'll open this. You go sit down. I'll just go sit down to me. I just have to sit.

I get sitting in silence. Yeah. It's romantic. That's the type of shit I do like. Sometimes I'll just wander into my bedroom, like, and my man will be sitting in the living room playing his game. and I'll just go in the room and I'll just sit in there and silence. Like no music playing, no TV on. Not even on your phone.

No, just like, just sitting there. And he leaves me alone. Like he doesn't come and ask me for anything. He's like, are you going in the room? I'm like, yeah, he's like, okay. And he waits for me to come back. That's like, that's like having a cat. Yeah.

Exactly. Exactly. It feels like I call it sometimes like normal human time. Yeah. So like even just doing normal human things, I just wander around my house like a sim. I just wander into a room. Forget what I was supposed to be doing. Yes.

Yes. Yes, yes. It's like the only way to stay sane because you're like, oh, I'm a real person. Yeah. Real person that exists in the real world. Well, and I find that like if I go online, one, it's just zapping my brain. So I try. And it makes me be like, oh, yeah, I should work on that thing. And so, and then I'll be like, I'll be in the house. I'm like, you know what? You know, I should be clean in that thing. It would be really nice if I read more. I should be running scales on the piano. I don't work on that enough. And that's why. why I have to be like, it's stare time. Right. That's so good. I love the, I love the, like, the pageantry of it. You're like, stair time. Yeah, it's stare time.

And also, the time that I feel most, like, femme, ever feel femme. And it happens so rarely for me is when my little gal will, like, come into a kitchen and I've had, like, the day. I've just had, like, that day where I'm staring, but I'm holding something that needs to be open and she'll take it for me and open it and I will fully do like a soulmate for real that's like you need you need someone that that can match your freak like that absolutely we joked about that on tour a lot because we were like I'm going to go in my bunk and close the door so that's what I'm going to do right now I'd appreciate if nobody came and talked to me we just go and we just had mutual respect for each other that way like I'd be like oh that's bunk time so I'm

to go on my bunk and then they would close their little curtain and then just be alone. The little curtain. That sounds so nice. I had like the back. I had the back room with my fiance. So then I had the door closed. And then everybody else had a little curtain on their own. That's kind of badass. It's awesome. Yeah. Felt like the Jonas Brothers. Yeah. Yeah. They're the only band I thought. That's okay. That's okay. Me knowing no other fucking band. There, no other ones exist. It's just like, who do you really need more than the Jonas Brothers? I don't. What was your favorite if you could, if you had to choose favorite tour date?

Like, what was like the funnest one for you? L.A. L.A. is great. L.A. is so fun. I think in part it was because I had so much disappointment management, which is what I give to myself. Right. It's going to be bad. It's going to be bad.

L.A. is a hard crowd. They're going to come here. They're going to hate this shit. Okay. And you're going to have to win them. Right. And I didn't do that half as much. on all the other tours, but for LA, because it meant so much to me, because it's family and friends.

Yeah, totally. And you don't want to really, you know, you don't want to give them a bad time, you don't want to do anything embarrassing. And you know that you're going to be thinking about it for fucking ever. So I just went out there truly so zeroed in at the top of my game. And L.A. happened to come to party so hard that night. It was unbelievable. Like, I, there were part, they were singing the lyrics, there were parts of the show that I was like fully like you know what I mean like really having this like the gratitude I felt was unbelievable kids were moshing and a girl got her wig pulled off that was that was the best

that was you know it's fun when a girl gets her wig pulled off yeah yeah it ain't an ER Fightmaster concert without a wig getting yanked maybe somebody's got to come with a wig you guys want a party or what Yes, and I also, I love, I love my fans. Like, I think because of the queerness and being able to be so visible, like, specifically through grays, I've picked up a fan base that's really diverse in all the ways. And at all of my shows, there were people that with disabilities that were sitting in that section, like, with a great view of the stage. And that means a lot to me because I'm like, okay, great, like, we're doing a good job getting people here.

Like this is this is that means something to me and my crowd is not all white and my crowd does not look the same and the music or the message is still meaning something to a big group of people and I don't get to see that that often. Yeah. Yeah. Especially when you're doing stuff on TV. Yes. I don't get to see it. So then so the music is really the chance that I get to be with them. Yeah. And even if they came even if they come just because they sell me on grays. Yeah. I don't care. It's it gets to be like this. I mean, I mean, it's, it's it gets to be like this. I mean. And like, no, think of it, sure, it's the band. Like, I want you to really like my music. And I want you to come here because it feels important to meet me. Because I do meet with fans after the show. And I know, I don't know. It's just like we get so separated from everybody.

You know, we are making this art for people to, we want to make art that people consume because we didn't get to see ourselves. Right. And so then getting to watch them experience the art, watch them consume the art. It keeps you going. Absolutely. I was just about to say that's what that's what sustains me with the shark shit. Like how I can never like when I'm struggling and I'm like,

this is exhausting and I'm tired and I feel like I haven't like been alone or been normal for who knows how long. That's why I loved life performing too. And I've told people like that's one of my proudest accomplishments is having like my fans, none of them look the same. Like they span many different demographics and groups. And I'm very proud of that. I know your fans are like that too because when I posted the cut down from our first step, episode together. First of all, a million likes. Second of all, everybody in the comments was like,

I can't believe you know who ER Fightmaster is. Oh my God, I can't believe. Like they, it was like they were, you were there, Shayla. But also they just were like, oh my God, I love them so much. Like they were freaking the fuck out. Our, the crossover event that happened with us doing this was so rewarding to me. And I think it's why we've stayed in touch. Yeah, absolutely. Our fan. are so aligned they are it's literally a circle our fan bases are a circle that the crossover is a hundred percent they are they are violent they are gorgeous and they are diverse and they don't play about you no they do not play about er five minutes no and they do not fuck around with you you called yourself at one point it's like um what did you say a tangible consequence yeah

and i was thinking like first of all let me get that tattooed And second of all, I, the way that these women feel so comforted watching you be a tangible consequence, like really fucking, like I, I don't worry about you. And I know you need to be worried about because that's, and that's probably what your beautiful fiance is for. But I don't worry about you and that feels empowering. Like when somebody goes into the comments and says something negative to you, I'm fully like, dumbass. I'm ready. I'm like, she's about to take back the night.

My friend Kyle Pru, he messaged me. I put it in my dump the other day, but he messaged me. Watching people wander into your DMs looking for a fight feels like watching Joe Pesci go in the home alone house a million times. Oh my God. Just constantly going inside the road.

That is so true. It was like so funny, I took a picture of it. God damn. I was like, yeah, they never learn, do they? It's actually so funny you say that too, recently I made a video defending uh trans women trans people in general but especially trans women because they were the ones being attacked at the time and I made a video defending them and all I said was like this is literally what I said in the video I said if you're a transphobe and it's 2025

your ass stinks that's all I said I said you have shit in your ass and your breath stinks and you have no friends like nobody likes you you're a fucking loser that's all I said I didn't even I didn't specify a person I didn't specify a group I literally just said if you're if you're a transphobe or turf, your, your ass stinks, like, and it's science. See, that is my written word. That's what I'm saying. Like, why am I in praise? This happened without me thinking.

The spirit's calling to you. Wow. Yes. And that's all I said. And you know, it's funny is I have never, and this was my issue too when the election happened. When the election happened, I was posting, oh, I was posting crazy shit. I was supposed to all kinds of shit.

A leading every year leading up to the election, I've been doing that. And so when I posted like, hey, fuck that bitch. Like I posted that I hated him and I hate anybody who supports him. I can't even tell you how many women were like, you're telling me that you don't want Trump's support or followers. We can't agree to agree to agree. No. No.

And also me of all people. Log off. Delete your account. I was like me of all. You're asking me if I, is that a joke? Like I literally was like, I feel like you bitches don't know me at all. Oh, like, what the fuck? Do they think that we got here by, like, thinking that we need to be palatable?

Well, you know what I started hearing after I was attacking transphobes the other day. Because the person who started this shit is a turf, right? So I was, like, saying, you guys are fucking turfs, and your ass stinks just like a transphobic, because you are a transphobe. And they were like, I'm not transphobic. Okay. So you're afraid of transphobic. I'm not transphobic. I just, like, don't want them near me.

What's the fucking difference? They don't want to be near you either, you dumb freak. No shit. No shit. That's why I was like, I don't give a fuck. Like if it looks like a duck and it talks like a duck, I'm going to call it a fucking duck. You think me and my boys want to be hanging out with you fucks? That's why I was like, they want to be nothing more than to be left alone. A hundred percent. You just can't mind your own fucking business.

I love the idea that they're assing because I think that's absolutely true. And the minute someone is transphobic, I feel like I learn everything about their sex life. I mean, truly, you're just like, oh, like the concern that you have for others is like for others being themselves, for living joyfully. Right, exactly. For, you know. For daring to be happy. To not want to die. Right.

Yeah. Like all this shit that you are really projecting like your own anxieties and like self-hatred onto them. And I learn, I learn how crooked the dick is. I learn how small it looks even when it's hot out. You know what I mean? It can be the hottest day on her. Yeah. you got the kind of balls that don't get longer when it's like swampy out that's not in the

cards for you uh uh uh no i know when i was uh i had i had women like attacking me and telling me i wasn't uh for women because i dared to defend trans women are most vulnerable that's crazy um to which what's ironic about that is the week i made that video i had dylan on the show again for an all-star episode gorgeous and i was like see i know turfs have never ever ever ever, ever interacted with trans people in real life ever. If you have, you didn't know because you're a dumbass, but it doesn't matter either way. I was like, I actually know and love trans people in real life,

even if I didn't, I would tell you bitches to choke on my dick. And honestly, the line that made them the most mad other than me saying their ass stinks was I told them to suck my dick. And then I said, actually, suck it from the back because I don't want to look at you. And that line, I'm not kidding, as made women freak the fuck out at me, these turfs. They literally are like, that's so discused. disgusting that's so unladylike and then they started calling me a man i was like oh so you are transphobic i oh wait so you are transphobic okay i knew it you know when you are when you're like alone for a minute

and then you like touch your partner or you have sex and you get like that burst of oxytocin i just had that the endorphins just released yeah that song that jason bieber's song where he's like life is worth living that's how i felt i i'm obsessed with these cis women that that hate trans women because I think that they are I think that it is also a confession of like hey I really had to do everything I was told my whole life and so and you have not you've not you've not been in this like you cut the line yeah I'm actually I grew up in hell you know what I mean like my uncle was calling me hot when I was five like there's actually no way for me to be that makes people happy if I'm annoying

people wish I was dead. Yeah, exactly. You can't join me here. Yeah, exactly. What are you fighting for? No, for real. And who are you fighting for? I've even told them before, like, I've said this many times already.

So having to say it again pisses me the fuck off because I don't explain myself to bigots. Like I was like the only person, like, you want me to validate you and your transphobia. I'm not going to. I hate turfs. I hate transphobes. I've been that way forever. And I've like, obviously, I have. many, many followers who are trans.

And so a lot of them were like, thank you for always defending us. And I was like, you, you guys stand behind me as long as you want, bitch. I don't give a fuck. Till you feel brave enough to come out, I don't care. Right? I was like, and also, I've told people before,

it's imperative that cis women have this conversation with each other. It's imperative that cis women hold other cis women accountable for being transphobic. It's imperative because no one's free till we're all free. Yes. And also to think that transphobia will not affect. cis women at all is insane. It's already affecting cis women. I mean, especially, we can obviously see it in the sports space. Exactly. Women of color especially. And that's the part that I was like, you think I don't know? I experienced it all the fucking time. And it's because

I'm not, I don't fit into these Eurocentric beauty standards. But see, I've unpacked all of my internalized transphobia and biases. So it doesn't offend me when people try to call me a trans person or a man to insult me. That doesn't offend me. And also, I do have a huge. huge dick. And you're going to suck it from the back. And I would. And that's a fact, bitch. Yeah. And I've, I'm down with them. I'm like stuttering. I'm like, are we doing that now? Getting nervous. Yeah, no, no, like, okay. I, you know what? The, the, the, my truest thought on this is that I think that trans women have a more beautiful understanding what, what womanhood is. I agree. I think that unfortunately the programming for

cis woman is is it is it's kind of sad sometimes and i i'm like actually no your womanhood is not your role your womanhood is not your status in society and your womanhood is not your ability to be sexually assaulted yeah and this trans this trans debate that's like centering all on well like if a quote unquote man in a dress is in a bathroom he will rape me and like okay well then it sounds the problem that we have is that men are going to rape and women are fearing rape their whole lives right and when you talk to trans women about their womanhood they talk about it like almost gets me choked up they talk about it in such this like beautiful expansive way yeah it's it's this feeling I always had yeah you know it's this truth I've always known it's the most beautiful parts of me

it's my softest self and I don't feel that from cis women right now because I think the propaganda is so strong. I agree. Yeah. And I love, I love, I love women. Oh my God, I'm so obsessed with all women. I really am obsessed with all women. And I want cis women to stop letting men be a barrier to their identity. Yeah, absolutely. I've even told cis women when I was defending, I defended Dylan, I've defended Dylan many times, but I defended her when she put out her song because turfs once again were attacking her and saying that her song was like basically saying she's vapid it was like derivative yeah it was a derivative of women and i said that's her experience with womanhood notice how she never said this is the experience of all women that's her experience as a woman

but even let's just say that is what she was saying she's talking about taking her meds right she's talking about for her both for her transition but also for her mental health she's talking about having a one-night stand, right? Are any of those things bad? And I told them like, because when Sabrina Carpenter makes jokes about getting Eiffel towered on her fucking tour, everyone's like, I love when women are sexual and me too. I love it. But see, when trans women have the exact same conversation, all of a sudden, you want to talk about, wear more than just a pair of tits. No shit, bitch. I know that. Dylan knows that. Sabrina Carpenter knows that. We all know that. It seems like you're the only person who doesn't know that. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, there is nothing wrong.

wrong with any of those things just because women are engaging in them doesn't make them bad but it speaks to what you said which is like it's almost like that's the most like convicted they feel in themselves is their womanhood what their idea of femininity is what their idea of womanhood is and i was explaining to even me i was like i am a cis woman right i identify with the gender that was assigned to me but i am not a thin white woman right so my experience with womanhood is going to be different from a cis than white woman. We're going to have two different very experiences of womanhood. Is yours more valid than mine? Right. No, right? So it's really all the fucking same, isn't it? Also, whenever I say gender is a social construct and it's made up, their minds spray against the wall behind them.

They immediately are like, what the fuck are you even talking about? And I'm like, see, you're not smart enough to have this conversation with me. That is always the frustrating part is you're like, we are creating arguments to protect people. Yeah. And so we do our research. Right. And they are manufacturing or, arguments to tear people down and so they actually are just pulling shit out of their stinky little asses. And so you're coming over here and being like, you know, Judith Butler would say and they're like, but he sounds dumb. Exactly. I use the term white feminism because I was saying turfs perpetuate white supremacist ideology, which is white feminism and white feminism

is void of intersectionality. And if your activism isn't intersectional, it doesn't fight for everyone. Right. And it's racist most times. And I said white feminists. I said all of that to someone. And then she goes, white feminists, this person is black. Then I'm like, and then I literally wrote back to her, Google the term white feminism, study up, and then come back to me. You're not smart enough to have this conversation with me. And I said, notice how when I made my original video, I didn't start with, this is why

Ter Frederick is harmful. I said your ass stinks. That's why I said it because there's no point. I already said the truth. Your ass stinks. I was like, there's no point. I had no interest. in having the conversation with you because you don't want to learn and you don't have to have

literature on that sweetie you just have to have a nose just a nose and you know what to be in there i said and your breath stinks too it's probably from all your fucking gingivitis i said all kinds of mean shit and then this girl commented on my video that said period to this video but also just want to say one of my co-workers is a huge transphobe and he has the worst breath i've ever smelled in my life and i said and when i tell you i'm a scientist believe me or which whichever one works for you No. And I was like, it's a scientific fact. I told you, you all have poop in your butt.

And you're just mad at me because I know. And I'm telling everyone. This is the most powerful. This is my mantra now. And that's what makes me laugh. You've got poop in your butt. There's people saying, oh, she's such a fake feminist. And all I did was I told transphobes that they have poop in their butt.

And somehow that makes me not a real feminist. Bro, what makes you a realer feminist than being a, than knowing that trans phobes have shit in their ass? So I was like, I did the research. That's actually empathetic. You can under, I'm, oh, I'm empathizing with their existence. They've got shit in their ass.

Like, I was telling my sister, I was getting annoyed because I don't, first of all, I don't want to see turfs. I don't want to hear from you. I don't want to see what you'd say. I don't care about anything you believe in. But more than anything, I was like, this wasn't an open discussion. Imagine it like this. I'm walking by and I go, don't want to interrupt.

Don't want to take too much of your time. Your ass stinks. All right, have a nice day. That's all I wanted to say. That's all I needed. That's the ground rules. Just in passing. I didn't want to have a conversation with it.

It's like the opposite of cat calling, but it is really similar. It's like the guys actually don't want the women to be like, yeah, no, I'm free. When they're like, do you want to hang out now? Yeah. Oh, oh, oh. No, they just want to be like, to be like, to be alert. So anyways, I've been doing that this week, but I was like fighting off turf like a motherfucker. It feels like World War Z.

They're like, oh, they're so hungry. I know. Oh, my God. but we do have some fun facts about you so i do want to read you some obviously we know you're a gem and i already knew that about you and that you're from cincinnati ohio okay listing my disabilities oh hippa yeah okay you can't do that where did you find out okay it says here that you played varsity basketball and varsity volleyball in high school yes and then you got signed to play college volleyball for the university of cincinnati okay what'd you play in volleyball i was like a middle block

I was going to guess the middle. That's the height. That's the height for you. It says their volleyball team was nationally ranked and they were named to the USCAA all academic team for also having. Which is not not impressive. I were having a 3.5 GPA. Yeah, I was the only athlete that did homework. That actually means I probably wasn't playing very well.

You know what's so funny. You're so many. Because one time, first of all, I was an athlete all throughout high school. Of course. And I played volleyball in high school too, but I was a hitter. I was an outside hitter. Right side? Outside.

Outside hitter. Yeah. And then my sister was an outside hitter too, even though my sister's 5'4. How did that happen? Only our resident gay. Yeah. Our in-house gay. That was Dase.

It was funny. I was talking about, because I played soccer. Soccer was my main sport. And Dason was like, you know, everyone says softball's the gay sport, which is like, okay. but women's basketball and soccer she was saying are like even gayer 100% yeah women's basketball yeah and then soccer I was like well it's either lesbians or it's like straight girls that make out with lesbians when they're drunk I would just say that they're more closeted yeah yeah I think in early stages yeah soccer those girls were smaller so they were more like they had the

ability to like get pretty in in high school too and always the basketball players that were any good, there was just something about being like, I don't know. I don't think, again, tall girl. Yeah, I don't think, you know, Bob is going to like me. Like, so it didn't fucking matter. I'm wearing my sweats. And the soccer girls were had the ability to be like hotties. Yeah. And so they stayed closeted for much longer, but jokes on you. I know that's what we laughed about it because my sister played soccer. But then when she went to college, she was like, I think I'm going to join the rugby team. Right. Did you do it?

Yeah. She played like all four years. What can you, um, sorry, this is now kink for me. Um, what can you squat? Oh yeah, what's your, your highest squat? Yeah, PR. Yeah, around that. So, so I'm sucking your dick from the back and your dick from the back.

Hers from the front. God, damn. Tower. Look at that. I got a lot of work to do right after. God, I got to really roll up my sleeves and get to work. I, I, I got to really roll up my sleeves and get to work. I, I, I don't got to.

I got to call my partner. I got to let her know I'm sucking to dick. I'm going to be late for lunch. And I will be full. You having a GPA making all-academic. You're so me. That was me too. One time someone asked me, what's the question you wish people asked you more, right? And I said what my AP scores were in high school. Shit. Horny again. Shit. I do like that. I do like good grades. I love school. Yeah, it was fun. And I was good at school. And I actually didn't do any homework for like the first three years of high school. And then they're like, you know, you're going to need this for college. And I was like, oh my God. We're not going to let you leave if you don't do it. Why didn't you fucking say that? And so I went from like truly a 2.5 GPA because I was like, homework doesn't matter. You can't control me.

To be like, I need it for college and I had a 4.0. And it was the easiest switch I ever made. I was like, oh, I didn't, when you sent me home with this, I didn't realize you wanted me to do it. I didn't realize you wanted it back. You gave it to me too key. Why didn't you say that? Like, why is nobody talking about homework? My teachers are being insane and they thought I was funny.

So I'd be like, no, I don't have it. They'd be like, okay. There's no like, you really have to. They were just really like, you're a favorite. Why are you riszing up people in high school? Man, I go back to my high school now and they, I, my teachers still fuck with me hard. I bet they do. A hardcore.

You're just riszing people up all throughout high school. Okay. And here it says, they performed in boom Chicago. an English comedy troupe in Amsterdam. Yeah, yeah, we performed, I performed in Amsterdam at Boom, and Boom is like, you're performing for basically an audience that's almost entirely English second language. Oh, nice.

And so you... Do you speak Dutch? In Beja. And it's, you really, you learn how to be universally funny. You have to, because the first, like, six months that you're there, you're pulling stuff out of your ass that's really like an Americanism you know even even talking about like like the Kroger or the vans like whatever that's the two specific and so you your comp is the Walmart but then you have in the in the back of your brand you know all the their major brands and you know the

Italian brands because we actually have a big group of Italians in here tonight oh and there's a Scottish bachelor party it's improv and sketch okay and so there's just there was just such a learning curve of being like oh yeah like American humor is so specific to us right And the rest of the world is actually working on a different level because the rest of the world is connected to each other. Yeah. Like they're far more connected than we are. A hundred percent. When you're doing like comedy in Europe, even if you're doing it in Amsterdam, you're not even doing just Dutch humor.

It's the all of Europe is visiting each other. They're all like traveling to see each other. They have a train system. That's true. So the audience was different every night. Damn. And it's global. And they're making fun of each other in a much better way that like we can't do because our nation is like, you know, white,

supremacist. When we make fun of even Italians, everyone's like, hmm, mm-mm. Something racist about that. Yeah, I've done a few white people jokes. Like, in my tiny stand-up set that I have, it's like a five-minute one. I have a lot of white people jokes in it. And some offers I've gotten to do shows, I've been like, I love the comic, but their audiences, like, southern straight white people. And I was like, they are not going to laugh at anything I have prepared because they don't have the same kind of understanding or humor. So it's just probably not going to translate as well. Okay.

So I also performed the second city we toured across the country. We did one show in Ohio. We did not know that the makeup of the show was going to be entirely elderly. And I'm talking 90 plus. 90 plus all Republican. The first 12 rows were wheelchairs, okay? Okay. I'm talking 90 plus.

So. And so we have a whole like political like comedy sketch show prepared for them and then some improv slots. And the political comedy is eating more shit than a turf. You know what I mean? It's just failing, failing, failing, failing. Yeah. And so we send out our angriest white guy. And we're like, do your worst.

And he goes out there to improvise. And he starts a scene that's basically like, my wife is so fucking annoying. And the audience is like, it's Freddie Mercury when he's like doing the queen that big age. Yes. All these elderly people who truly at intermission had like, they were standing up for the first time in 10 years to leave. It's just killing.

Yeah. Oh my God. On their knees. On their knees for Scott. So funny. What's a joke that hits across the world, you would say, when you were in Amsterdam doing the comedy troupe?

Everybody likes ripping on the Germans. Really? Nice. It's nice. Yeah. It's really fun. They all have a united enemy. Even the Germans.

I mean, it's obviously it's us. Like, you know, if you're making a joke about Americans in Europe, it's just about IQ level because we think we're so fucking superior. And the rest of the world is like, look at those angry kids. Like, they fucking hate us, man. It's embarrassing. I was lying to people saying like, I am Dutch. I was over there, like, just because a lot of the Dutch speak English. And so I was fully over to just be like, hi, everyone.

Like, you know, so nice to meet you. Lying. A hundred percent. I'm not getting in a gay club. Like, they find out I'm American. A hundred percent. Yes, no. And they love when we call ourselves stupid.

And they love when we're like, joke about the Germans being so untieux. time. They're like, those jokes killed every day. Yo, yo, across the world. No, when me and my sister were on tour last year,

we watched one night in the bus, we watched Planet of the Apes, and we love those movies. And we're just big Planet of the Apes fans. And then in, I think it was Dallas, I was like doing a bit where I would be, every time they would like laugh or listen or do something good,

I'd be like, apes together, strong, killed, killed. Every time I said it, they were cackling. What a beautiful thing to find. Right. And I was like, and I was like, oh, period, period. Next time we go to, World's movie.

It was after it was Austin, Dallas, Houston when we, and it. Oh, Denver. Yeah, we went to Denver after we got out of Texas. It's like a night two or two later. I whip out the Planet of the Apes show probably 10, 15 minutes in, not one laugh. Ooh, back on the shelf. Gonna, we'll revisit her when I go to the other city. My God.

I thought I was going to kill every night. Just that one. My. Didn't hit the rest of the door. Rest of the door. Nobody laughing at that. Isn't it crazy? Yeah, like sometimes you just find yourself like, like I was on tour.

We were not slang one night. We were performing for a group of veterans. And why are you always performing in one of these? When you, you know this. When you tour comedy, for some reason, everybody that's in the audience is there against their well, they're there by gunpoint. You don't have to be here. No, it's if they're not at like a comedy.

comedy club and even then it's like kind of iffy yeah they were brought there by gunpoint by some like union that they're like their bosses made them come for some shit and we were performing for the veterans and we were kind of like bombing so hard that at one point i'm telling you i'm telling you i hate the military industrial complex i think it destroys souls and worlds i went thank you for your service you're doing the lord's work literally that can i'm doing like i'm doing like i'm doing like an outro and I go and they kind of are like you got him you got him a little bit you're like you're like give me silence the whole show but I was like I think I'll compromise my values here for like a little bit of a little snack I just want like a little treat just a little just anything

I still think about it Girl And even my friend Scott Who was touring with me at the time And he was the one that was like Able to do the wife shit When I came off he was like You're doing the Lord's work

The fuck? I got desperate up there I was the other day I got desperate I blocked out They weren't giving me anything I needed it I needed it At the end of the day

I need attention so Truly I was like Just a little fingee Just give me Anything. Okay, we'll go down some more of these. Let's see. It says that you were in an indie rock band called Twin. And they named the band Twin because they're a Gemini. Yeah. Well, that's that's that's factual. Yeah. And I also, I dated, I had dated a lot. I've dated a lot of twins somehow. I don't know what I'm attracting, but I've dated a lot of twins. That sounds kind of scary. It can be. Like, like I feel like twin. when they get to a certain age, it's like, okay, enough. No more. You're no longer a twin.

I couldn't agree more. Being a twin is for children. And at this point, you're 25 and it's perverted. And you're creepy and weird. Yeah. So knock it off. And if you ever were the fucking same thing in front of me, I'll have you arrest you.

I don't care. The cops. And I hate the cops. I believe in the police again for that. Just for twins. Yeah. A-Tab. That is crazy.

All twins are bad. That's crazy. That's crazy that you've just so happened to date twins. I'm more than once. More than once is crazy. Yeah. I guess I'm problematic. Were they identical?

Yeah. That's uncomfortable. Imagine you're mad at them and then their sibling comes and you're like, there's a lot of stuff but I'll tell you when we're now rolling it says they used to be a part of a sketch comedy duo called Mr. Beaver where they performed live shows with a sidekick

called Cat Piano yeah that was some really magical shit we would improvise songs on a piano that the keys only made meows and listen you could be like that sounds fucking stupid as how we were tearing that shit up We were winning awards. You know how hard it is to win like awards for fucking improv?

Like they don't even, they made them for us. Damn, they were eating that cat piano up. And I was really femme at the time. And so they were just like, this hot, tall girl is like, I don't, I honestly don't even remember the show, but the person who's doing it is hot. Bro, listen, when I was femme, that shit was devastating. That shit was devastating. I had to stop being femme because I was fucking shit up for you, ho.

Okay? You can cook of comfort. My non-binary was a sacrifice for y'all. That was a sacrifice you made. Because I was fucking your men. And they were begging for it. Don't make me start doing it again. They wanted my fucking foot on their neck so fucking bad.

And I hated their asses the whole time it was fucking happening. I was like, you're disgusting. I'm on top of them looking down. Like, I'm looking at a turd, okay? But they were in my bed. You kind of talking to me about my queerness. Bitch, I did what you did. It sucks.

I'm jealous of y'all I tried your shit I tried your shit I it sucks you said two stars God damn stars on Uber I'm sorry that's never really exploded out of me I let you have your moment I is crazy I do actually feel like that is the that is my pretty privilege is like I know how fucking trans I am because I was not having an experience like I was a gorgeous one woman. I was gorgeous. You know what I mean? I was killing it. I was killing it. And what I did find I did not like like I really felt I like I never really felt like a woman and so and I was such an awkward teenager and then all of a sudden I was in college and like really grew into everything well and was like just getting so much positive. The way you have so much disgust on your face. I mean well because it was hard.

Yeah I bet. Like being being in that like restriction it was like suffocating. I'm sure. Sure. It was what I really found was it was dangerous. Oh, yeah. That like, we're big and we're loud, right? And I felt that when I was beautiful and something that these men wanted, they had to, they didn't have the social grace to just really accept me for being smarter than them and taller than them and better than them at the things that they were doing. And so they would do this thing where they would pretend to be kind to me. and then they'd get me in private and violence would happen. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yeah, absolutely. And I am so grateful. I found such a beautiful queer community. I'm so grateful. I found my non-binary identity. I'm so grateful for transness as a way of being as a way of understanding. Absolutely. And I'm telling you, it makes me care for women harder.

It makes me because I think that there's so, the most violent place now for women, where we have the most reported incidents of death and violence is in, fucking home yeah that's where women are getting injured they're getting injured by men that they love in their homes yeah that they sleep next to every night yes yeah and so have kids with it's important for like i have a lot of guy friends i demand kindness from them i demand excellence from them i do not take bullshit when they're talking about the women that they're seeing yeah and they have grown with me you know i mean i love seeing relationships like yours like that man is so kind he's so handsome like he's there with you he's supporting you like i actually know that women have better options but they are

so trained to take the least yeah and these men don't deserve you and they absolutely don't deserve you if they're going to hit you and they probably don't deserve you anyway so there better be some you better fucking love this guy for real for real i've even said to like have you watched adolescence the new show on that's it's really really good but it's like basically talking about a young boy like a 13 year old boy it's not a secret it's not a spoiler but he like he kills a girl in his school because she rejected him, but it talks about how he got indoctrinated by Red Pill ideology on social media.

That's like the whole point of the show. So it's not like, who did it, it's why he did it. Yeah. So it's kind of unraveling and unpacking all of those different, like, things, those very small things that happen in the home that breed this air of, like, entitlement to women and their bodies and everything about them

and how they genuinely hate them. They don't like anything about them. They just see them as objects and things to use or abuse. And so, like, I have, Obviously, I loved the show because it was very well done. I've said many times there are many things I don't platform on purpose because they are just that scary. Like, it's just that horrifying. And there have been a few stories that I didn't include in my book because they weren't like my stories to tell that I've heard about like at my brother's high school.

My brother is going to be 21 this year. So when he was in high school, when I was still doing this, there are things happening now. Like where men are inflicting violence and they're young. They're minors. They're like sophomores in high school. like it's just like how young it starts like that understanding of what women's places in this world and where men sit and like this indoctrination that is becoming more and more accessible because of things like social media because of people like Andrew Tay like all that

fucking bullshit but it's it's actually why we are in such an environment environmental crisis right it's this energy of extractivism where these young boys are basically being indoctrinated with colonialism of like everything that they see is theirs. And they want to extract as much as they can from it without putting any effort into it without renewing that resource without. And I think being, being, you know, femme for a minute. I did find that they, like, I felt this like that they, a lot of men will just latch on to you. And they're like, they are drawn to this resource that you have, which is your joy. and your sex and your whatever and they pull it from you but they're not offering you anything in

return and I'm like that's extractivism and it's the same thing that we do with our fucking environment you know what I mean we are going into these places and we are pulling oil from the earth but we're doing nothing to protect her yeah or to replenish yeah and the beauty of having experience as a gorgeous woman is that now in this like place of really confident masculinity be the partner that I wish I would have had yeah totally you know and with With my partner, I really work hard because I am, I am there for her joy. Yeah. I am there for her sex.

I am there for her stories. I am there for her intelligence. I am there for so many of her, really these like sole assets that she has. Yeah, you see her as a person. Yes. As like a whole person. I'm replenishing that shit. Yeah, absolutely.

You know what I mean? Yeah, it's reciprocal. I'm giving her my energy. I'm making sure I have a life that's interesting so that we have something to talk about over coffee. You know what I mean? You have your own thoughts. Yes.

Yes, I'm bringing my friends to her. I'm making sure that I'm dressed cute at least 60% of the time. You know, I'm doing things that because I want this beautiful person to be able to experience her joy. And I think that men don't realize how much work women are putting in to continually give joy. For real. And to keep things of flow. It's like the most mundane thing. Like it's just the world doesn't move without women and I and I felt the same thing like I was like I love women so dearly and that's why that's why I felt like this was my purpose was to like guide them away from that bullshit like and even in the in the show adolescence like the dad like in the beginning they're kind of trying to figure out if the dad's like abusive if he's like if he hits him if anything like encouraging violence right but he doesn't like he has anger issues but he's not violent or anything like that and it's almost scarier that way.

because I've told people that's actually far more common. That dynamic where you have a father who does nothing more than provide. There's no emotional needs being met, spiritual needs. Like there's no checking in just on general well-being. There's no interest in what he likes. It's all forced. You're forcing him to try and like things that you believe are manly. And then not checking in with him and you're just going and working and providing for the family.

And you're seeing that dumping money into something is enough. Exactly. And that's why he turned out that way. So I'm saying like it's even more like he's looking for that like. masculinity to latch onto because his dad encourages that's what makes a man so he's not getting it from his own dad so he finds it online and then it turns out to be red pill shit and so I was I've told people before like that kind of misogynist or bigot in general because they're never just one facet of bigotry is far more insidious to me it's like someone

who's a lung head a lung head Jim bro that's like fat bitch make me a sandwich like obviously you could pick that dude out of a lineup like for the most part all women are like um that's sexist right yeah yeah yeah but it's men who have i don't know gained the ability to somewhat blend like they're they're dangerous giving men like therapyizing language like giving them insight to how women think it has like made them far more dangerous because they can say things instead of something like that they'll say like well i just want to be able to take you out of this masculine era and like put you in your feminine era that bitch is the same they're fuck they're both bigots they can both eat my dick that's how i feel about that

them. I was like, you piss me out. I absolutely agree. They're way more dangerous to me. Well, and I think that, you know, the thing that is really scary to so's people is that, like, they're not even really talking about gender anymore. They're talking about, like, their workplace identities. You know what I mean? Like they're all Patrick Bates. And you guys grossed me out. It's true. It's the way that they're talking about, like, the rules that they need to protect from trans people. It's like, it's psychotic. And actually, okay, so I was well, watching love is blind and um and i watch a lot of the show like this but but when i thought that some of those men were being kind to those women i literally had the thing of like oh it was like

some of them are cute some of those guys are cute and then when i found out that they were basically all being mean yeah i was like those are the ugliest men i've ever seen in my life and i think that something that really we can we need to be honest about is that masculinity is at its most beautiful when it's in service to the feminine because the feminine shines on the masculine it's it's a gorgeous thing to watch like yeah i got this like leg up in the gray's fandom because i was across from a woman who looked at me like i hung the moon and i looked at her like she hung the moon you know and and so we had this thing where the feminine was being worshipped and I was getting the light from her shine.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And I can see even when the relationship was like dissolved that there was everything. I could physically see this like golden light leave the room. Even in the way they shot it. And then they're capturing something that's honest. Like men that are good to women are hot to me. And I don't give a fuck what the fuck you look like.

If you're bad to a woman, you are the ugliest little puddle of mud on the fuck. planet for real and when you were saying you have your own interest too i was thinking i was thinking about that that clip that's going really viral of that guy who did the morning routine and it's the most insane should i've ever seen my life i was thinking about that and i was like everything men like is fucking boring oh my god literally ice oh my god literally ice doing doing pushups on the balcony at 4 a am i oh my god everything men like with a bottle of sparkly water everything men like is so boring like even one time when i sometimes when i hear like because obviously obviously people who are men who look like my dad or like my man, my fiance, are catnip to

like the worst misogynist in the world because they're like, this guy gets it. He looks like a masculine man, which that's, you know, okay. That's how I feel better. But every time men come up to them, I took my dad to a Clippers game because my dad loves basketball. Took my dad to a clippers game. My dad's like a bodybuilder, so my dad's like yoked right now. he wore like a black like just tight tank top like with pants like tucked in and some Jordans. Okay.

I'm sorry to say this. I'm about to be on my third dick. Hard. Yeah. When I took my dad there, taking my dad in a tank top to a Clippers game, it's like throwing a rib eye in a tiger cage. The way all men, it's no women, all men are like, oh, oh, oh. They have to come and talk to my dad about his bench press. Hey, you guys are weird.

You know, like, when I was talking to your sister earlier about what they can squat, it is because I'm a gay pervert, you know? And so I actually think that a lot of straight men are also gay pervers. And I would believe you. Honestly, I would believe you. It's like the Andrew Tate worship. Yeah. And I mean, I'm going to really clarify this.

I mean gay in like the way that straight people mean. gay when they're like that's gay. Like you don't, you're not gay like me. I'm beautiful. You're gay like that's gay. You're a gay pervert. What also it's just kind of like the things they be doing sometimes when they're alone. I'm like, you guys are so weird.

You absolutely hate gay men like women more than straight men like women. No shit. I mean they're, they're, they're worshipping divas and straight men look at their own wives. And they're like, get out. I watched one of my friends make a video recently. This will be the last silly thing I say. But she made a video recently. She was talking about when she sees groups of women.

She was, when I see groups of women out, like, they're like doing something together, going somewhere. I'm like, God, that looks so fun. So every time I see girls, I'm like, what are we talking about ladies? Like, that's how I feel in they're laughing. When I see groups of men together, I'm like, well, clearly they just committed a crime and they're coming back from something. That we call that a murder. It's like a murder of crows It's a murder of murder.

Yeah, yeah. And I was, I commented on the video because when my sister and I were in Vancouver, we did a live show in Vancouver not too long ago. We went to a movie one of the days we were there. And there weren't that many people in the theater. It was like our group of like nine and then like maybe a few other couples in the theater. A group of seven grown men come in the theater. Sit right behind us.

Whole theater is empty. Sit right behind us. talk the whole fucking time about you guessed it stocks then this is this is why we can't get rid of the death penalty we can't get rid of it and i was like what are these grown men doing seeing a movie together what are you guys doing you're doing something bad you're doing something bad you're doing something sinister and i was like and i kept going the whole time just in case they did something well it would be normal i would be happy that they had their little friend group if they had not chosen to sit behind the two women.

Just learn how to be together and not be scary. I know. I was like, you just need to rebrand or something because you're like seven grown men together. I don't like it. No, no, no man. No man has that many friends, first of all. Because you guys don't even know each other's birthdays. So I don't believe you. And I was like, but also coming to see the movie, we watched the movie companion. It was really good. But obviously, like, the whole point is that he like doesn't see women as real people. So he has a robot girlfriend. Spoiler. Um, but in the thing, like it's, they would laugh at the parts that weren't they were like satirically funny. They're not supposed to be actually funny. So it's like the parts where

he would call her a fuckbot, they would be like, sinister. Oh my Lord. The way I was like, don't make me turn around. I will, I'm cringing so hard I might throw up. Even when we got back to the hotel, my fiancee was like, I did not like those guys. behind us. I was like, right? Because we didn't talk about it the whole time. My sister and I were obviously like, oh, when we're looking at them. But then he was like, no, it's like the way the shit they were laughing at. I was like, that's not supposed to be funny. These guys are fucking gross. And I was like, period. Can you tell them? Do you know the reason that they're so angry is because they actually do have so much work to do. Like I do get it. Like we said, we're sharks.

Yo, bro. I've been there at the end of a long day when I find out that there's more. assignments for me to do like I gotta contact my manager again like all this shit I get pissed off and if every time if like every thought I had was bad and hateful and I was told that I had to change that I can imagine being frustrated see look at my empathy yeah look at that well we went over so many things today yeah obviously you know we're in love so yeah you can come back whenever forever forever and always but I would love to know because you're a literal multi hyphenic You're so talented. Wait, before I ask you this question, I think you are so incredible in so many ways.

Obviously, I jerk you off all the time about how talented you are. But past that, I think just you in general succeeding in such a creative space at so many different mediums, being exactly who you are and saying the things you do, I admire you. I think you're so amazing and I look up to you. I could not feel more similar. I'm telling you, I have talked to my partner about you so much. And likewise. The work that I think you're like the work that you are doing, I think is generationally,

like it's generationally important. Thank you. I feel that way about yours too. Thank you. Look at us. We're going to stand together. I'm going to cry. And then we're going to kiss.

Yeah. Oh, and then I got to suck the dark. Yeah. That's a whole other thing. Yeah. A long time. Well, to kind of wrap it up, um, do you have any advice for anyone within the LGBTQIA plus community as a whole or just in general that maybe one or

pursue the creative art form and maybe are a little nervous about doing multiples. Maybe they feel underrepresented. Do you have any advice for them? I think we are entering a extremely fascist and violent era. And I know that you're scared and I am scared, but they don't deserve our fear. And we can't live there all the time. We can visit the fear, but we can't live there all the time. And And the only thing that topples regimes, the only thing that ever works is love and art. And you have to make love and you have to make art. And you got to do it well and you got to enjoy it and you got to not care if the money comes because that's when the money comes. And stop thinking about fucking capitalism all the time.

Listen, if fascism takes over and they take our economy, we're going to be struggling regardless. So at least make sure you're struggling doing something you love that keeps your integrity intact. There's nothing more important than your dignity and the dignity of others. And that being said, free Palestine. Period. Look at that. Everyone, give them a round of applause. Obviously, we would never run for president.

Sometimes people, I would vote for you for president. Thank you. Was my point. But sometimes someone said, you should run for president. I said, I would never want to be in charge of this Godforsaken country. No. Fuck that. No way.

And somehow, like, the things that I, like, Google when I'm high would get released. and it's like and no one needs to see that are birds really naked underneath the feathers we're gonna we'll just leave it here you're like kind of a mystery

but wait okay Amanda I want you to this is a note to bleep this the last thing I googled was because I was trying to show the video to my god I was trying to show that

fuck-ass compilation if that was leaked I would be the first one to be like Drew told me that this is the only thing that gets her up in the morning. If I was in that video and I saw how people were talking about me, I would say that's AI. It's getting out of control. AI is getting out of control. I would be suing Elon 100%.

Yeah, Bezos would have my number. Just wanted to mention that was the last thing I Google told. That whole line is going to be bleep. Iconic. Iconic. Anyways, thank you so much to my. amazing guest, ER, for coming back for an all-star episode. You're the best.

Thank you for having me. I cannot wait to suck your dick. Me too. Again, round two. Round two. If you're not already, I know you all are, but if you're not following ER, where can everybody find you? Okay.

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I really do. I'm a sister wife with your partner. No, I honestly, sister wives somehow genderless here. Just like the word bitch. Bro! My mind's blown. Thank you all so much for tuning into this episode.

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