The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - BOTOX PARTY Ft. MUNA

Episode Date: March 20, 2024

This week, MUNA (aka greatest band in the world) joins Drew on the show to unpack creating space for queer joy in the mainstream pop music genre. They talk opening for Taylor on the Eras tour, botox, being other people’s gay awakenings, the millennial pause, jizz, Katie’s roller blading phase, straight couples hooking up in the front row of their show, and so much more! Drew: https://linktr.ee/drewafualo MUNA: IG / TikTok For sponsorships/partnerships, email [e-mail]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And she was like, well, how do you know you're not? And I was like, because I tried it. And it didn't work. And I wish that it did. Hey, the milf, the milf's being too jizz. I tried to be straight too. But some people tried to be straight. And it didn't, I didn't, when I was a kid.

I took my time in. Yeah, you really did. Well, you're one of the front lines soldiers. Hey, everyone. And welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me, your Fave, everybody knows me, who cares about me? On to the guest. Today, we have the gay icons,

the iconic, the legendary, Muna. Welcome to the show, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Let's go. Nice to see all three of you. Thank you for having us on. Let's go down the line. We'll introduce everyone, even though I'm sure everybody knows who you are. I'm Josette.

Or Jill. Yeah, fuck. Yeah, Joe. Oh, wait, can I cut? You got that wrong. Yes, absolutely you can. You can say whatever you want. Fuck.

Jiz. Jiz. Jiz. Cog. Jiz. Jiz. That's not, that's not Katie's name, by the way.

This is Joe Katie. Jiz. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You guys get, you and trod us so we don't have to. Yeah, there we go.

It's better. We'll go again. Joe, Katie, Naomi. I want to say, I can't say what I want to say. Do you guys watch? I think you should leave? No.

I've heard it's just so cringe and I get scared. I beg to differ, Katie. No, no, not cringing that way, but, like, cringes in, like, really awkward situations. I would, I would, I would, I don't think I could watch that. You would like it. I bet I could handle it, but. There is one, well, first, before we get into that, welcome to the show. Thank you.

Happy to have you all. We're ready to slip and slide right into the show. Legendary, you guys are gay icons. Yeah. And I'm sure my audience is going to freak the fuck out when I see I've had you guys on. Yeah, today's actually our. straight announcement we decided yeah you guys were coming out again we're coming out exhausting I fought a good fight I'm over it now and despite yeah despite this outfit I am retiring

I'm so happy to have y'all on the show big fan big fan of y'all really excited to learn about how to be straight from me you started with your nails and we're going to work yeah I'm probably the worst person to learn from to be quite honest with you because I viscerally hate man oh period Period. I love that for us. Yeah. I think, I think if we'd combine our powers, we'd be on stopping. Wait, wait, I want to know something. Okay.

So is there like a subgroup of men who respond to your content in like a, like, like they're magnetized to it in a different type of way? Like in a, in a, in a, in a, in a. Jizz. In a jizz. In that kind of way. I think there is, yeah, I think there is a sub. subset of men that like the line between love and hay is real thin right like I know that like you're you know you're doing so well with this show but I'm also like that is a very lucrative like corner of the internet

is it not like like like as far as a top on face oh yeah oh yeah that's what you mean yeah yeah oh I see what you mean like they like to be degraded yeah yeah yeah I mean when I was on cameo this is not a joke that's why this is why I stopped doing cameo is I started getting requests from anonymous men who were like, can you tell me I'm like a dirty little boy? And I was like, well, not for $30. Right. Right. I did a cameo. 30,000. And I'll tell you what I did. Turn it off. As soon as I got that request, I said, oh, turn it off. Goodbye. Yeah, the $30 is not worth it. I don't need it. I don't understand also the young people to say stuff like that. I did a cameo thing for charity and they were telling me to do the weirdest things to them.

They just don't understand. Yeah, they get real drunk with the power. I mean, like, they wanted me to roast them for, like, random things. And I was like, I, they would give me lists. Okay, telling you what to make fun of them for. Yeah, it didn't work well. They're like, look at all these horrible things about me. Can you just tell me about them?

They're sick. For charity? Yeah. For charity? Not for charity. Not for charity. But I feel like your response was not, like, turned came you off. It was more like, uh,

I will do it. I just will make it more expensive. Yeah. I mean, if I was charging way more than that, we'd have to have a lot more zeros on the end. Right. Then that's only fans.

That's not cameo. At that point, I'm losing money doing it for a cameo. You know what I mean? But I do know if this ever takes a hard left, I'll just pivot to that. 100%. That's all I'm saying.

Backup plans. Yeah, I got backup plans. Wait, real quick, what's everyone's signs? Fuck. Big three? Yeah, yeah. Obviously, we're, Everyone is a lesbian here.

The big three of the big three. My son is a Pisces. My moon is in Virgo and my rising is Torres. Period. I'm Capricorn sun, Gemini rising, Pisces moon. Okay. I'm Capricorn sun, tourist rising like Joe. We have a lot of...

We have a lot of overlap. There's a lot going on. Yeah. We have a lot of... Yeah, we each overlap with each other. A lot of water and Earth. Yeah, what about you? I'm a Virgo son.

Let's go. Why do you get shit done? Cancer moon. Oh, we're all come out. Sagittarius rising. Oh, we're compatible. Period. And in love.

Yeah, absolutely. Sorry, that's the real announcement. Jizz. Jizz. Jizz. Jiz. Jiz. It's here.

You're coming out again. I'm coming out again. Yeah, I need a Jiz button. That's from Tim Robinson. Do you need it? I mean, technically speaking, we all have Jizz buttons, technically speaking. Whoa. We're all different.

I'm announcing new virgin after all that's. Oh, my God. A born-again virgin? I was imagining, like, I want, like, a hard edit. You want the easy button. Yeah, I want, I want, that was easy. Yeah. I was talking a literal button.

Yeah. It's all right. We'll just say it out loud for you until you get that. Well, back to the topic at hand, which is y'all being amazing and so happy to be here. What was the topic? For anyone that, I haven't even said it yet, I'm like, jizz. So have you brought it up. For everyone who doesn't know, obviously, y'all are a very successful, amazing band.

So successful. incredible. Thank you for including our success. Of course. I'm going to, I'll brag about your success if you all won't. But I am curious for everyone who doesn't know, how did you guys become a band?

Well, we decided we needed to be so successful. We're like, damn, look at these other sexy ass motherfar. I bet we could make some money. All this talent's going to waste. No,

we were, I was busted when we met. Yeah, I was busted as well. I go through busted ways. I was busted. Don't lie. Yeah,

now you're busting out of the seams as a sexy. Thank you. Sexy guy. I bloomed. Yeah, it blossomed. No, we met in college. We all had like some overlapping classes. They were both music majors, so they had classes together.

And we, we had overlap in our other degree of study. And love. Yeah, we met and just kind of started hanging out. And we went to USC, which is like a pretty, I don't know, there's like a pretty homogenous kind of crowd of like frat boys and sorority girls. Said with love and respect. Or not. So much love and respect.

Said with at least respect. said with tolerance yeah with tolerance yeah with tolerance yeah um but yeah so we were we were drawn to one another um as you are when you're magnetic yeah okay when you're magnetically gay yeah but Naomi and I dated um in the beginning and then like before we had a band and then they became close yeah and wanted to play music together and I said me as well I would like to join us coming to that as well. And I'll be bringing my MIDI keyboard to the gym session. I mean, it worked.

Yeah. It was pretty awesome, honestly. Yeah. It was very synergetic. It feels like it was meant to happen. We made a song and I swear to God, both going back to signs, both of them being Capricorns. As soon as we made the first thing that we did, we never stopped working. Yeah.

We were like, this is good. We will make this our whole lives. There's something. There's something here cooking. But we've had a really, I mean, that was like 10 years ago. Yeah, it's even more. How old are y'all? We're 31.

I'm 30. I'm 30. How old are you? I'm 28. Gonna be 29. Wow. Y'all, all three of you look younger than me. So that's a little rude.

It's all, it's all, it's all, it's all, it's all, it's all. It's all, it's all, it's all. Yeah, we're now dedicating our lives to Botox and red light therapy. Wait, but something scary. I'm scared. Oh, God. I'm scared. Something scary.

Wait, wait, really quickly. Something's scary. Yeah. Okay. Why'd that hit? So I get. So I get Botox and I get it in Botox you get on the upper half of your face. Not always.

Not always. That's not true at all. Is it not true? No, you could get Botox. You don't know what it's like. That's that burgo. No, my girlfriend and I will go. We watch Love Island.

We'll watch Love Island and I'll have her tell me what everybody got done because she can know. You can get Botox here. That's where I need it. Yeah, you can get it everywhere. You can get everywhere. Okay. So I thought, this is what I thought. And I don't, I actually.

don't want to be talking about this but I can't stop myself I was so curious why you started yeah I'm curious too I'm locked in Botox reveal too okay we have a podcast I don't get got got got chaotic and we sorry I'll stop lumping you in yeah and I think like I've been trained on that podcast of like oversharing well we just don't yeah oversharing one yeah but too like we don't have any structure like really for the pod yeah so just to like make sure that we have a podcast it's like I'm saying whatever comes to my mind. Totally. Like,

and going into, yeah. I'm cool with that. Um, so Botox on the lower half of your face. So, okay. So I thought that, I thought this was what it was. You get Botax on the top of your face. Botax.

I heard it too. Yeah. Um, Chicago. Because like those are the muscles that if you're moving them like throughout your life, it will crease and that's what those wrinkles are. Gotcha. But then on the lower half of your face, it's like the lower half of your face

sag. and that's what those wrinkles are. Gotcha. And, oh my God. So I think this is true. Yeah, I just, oh, my God. I'm just like, I don't even know where you're going. Okay.

But I'm locked in. So I'm listening. I saw a video on TikTok recently where this guy was like mansplaining to a girl about how you shouldn't get Botox like all in this part of your face because you're freezing your facial expressions. But your, but your face needs to compensate. with that so it starts like using the other muscles more okay so they sag faster i don't know like yeah kind of yeah it's like you're gonna end up with getting wrinkles faster in the other part of your face i need a scientist the only just to wrap this up as fast as possible that was going but like yeah that would make sense if that was the i think i think the main what what people say to do rather than

do any of that shit down here is like do like muscle like um like to you like exercise your face like you have that's what the new face that you don't exercise that's what the new face does you just guasha yeah but the new the new face no the new face that's what it does that's what the microcurrent does yeah that's why people use it okay well anyway thanks you're saying we look young yeah i mean i snitching on all of us. Yeah, I'm really sorry. I've never had any Botox or anything, but I'll keep that in mind. Yeah, if you want to come.

If I ever do. We got gifted, like, Katie, Katie and I got gifted, I haven't used it from a gifted thing. Oh, yeah. She's like, I just need to remind you really quickly. I have not used what you currently said you used. Yeah, just like, I don't need it. They'll come to your house and do Botox. So, oh, you want to come over and have some strangers.

We have a Botox. Botox party. That, that's where I told someone. It is a lame. Can you imagine if I was selling someone? I'm going to get Botox at Moona's house tomorrow. That's the most insane sentence. I feel like normal for L.A.

Probably. I've just gotten used to the city is so fucking weird. I know. Are you guys from L.A.? I am. I'm from San Diego. So like a more busted version of L.A. Where in San Diego are you from?

Normal Heights. Okay, period. My family's from Miramasa. Oh, nice. Yeah. Love, love, love. Yeah. Don't know anything about L.A.

Sorry. Don't know anything about L.A. Sorry. Are you, you, you're not from your miss. Where'd you go? No, I'm from Corona, California. Okay, cool. Yeah, like Riverside County. So you're still, SoCal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. SoCal life. I like it. That's the truth. Yeah. Give me one of those. Yeah, yeah. You're going to be going to go to go.

You think like, mm, shaka. Mm, jacca. Did you say that? Yeah, it's really quiet. That's so funny. I love it. Did you actually say that? It was out of the shocka gremlin.

I say Shaka all the time. time. I like when you say Shaka about something sad that's happened. Oh, yeah. That's a very Shaka. Shaka. Something really fucked up happens. Shaka. Someone who I knew once told me whenever it was awkward, they would be like

cringe, just like really loud, out loud. If it was sad or awkward, they'd be like, fucking cringe. How old was that person? Old than me. Oh, really? This seems Gen Z. Very Gen Z. Does it? Or, wait, we're, y'all are... We're all

Zelianians here. Yeah. Yeah. Every time I say millennial, every time I say millennial, they're like, because I don't know if they think I'm 100 or if they think I'm like 19 online. I think because you're successful online, people think you're Genzy. I know. It's a bummer. We were talking to Trixie. Trixie was, Trixie's older than us. She's 100.

Yeah. She's so much older than me, like way older than me. Happy birthday mama. Yeah, but she was saying that she gets told that she's Gen C, even though it's like, Obviously, millennial. She's Gen 1. She's Gen. A. Energy. Like, the Gen.

A. Claims her. I feel like. Yeah. And they leave me out in the fucking streets, apparently. The Gen Z doesn't want to claim us in the sense that they do claim us. No, but they think that we're, they like to make fun of us because we are millennials. They make fun of our TikToks.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we have geriatric TikTok. That's fun and fun and fun. Did you know that when you're doing like a front. facing, I'm doing it again. When you're doing a front facing video and you zoom in, like

on your face, that's called the millennial zoom? I think so. I know the millennial pause. The pause. When you press record and it takes you a couple seconds. Yeah. Because you're used to doing it on a Nikon digital image. Yeah, on me done. I can't take a second for it to start. What do they want?

What do they want? Whenever I've had a millennial pause on accident, I'll literally cut it out because I don't want to hear that. I'll literally edit it out. I'll go back and I'll cut out the part where I pause for a second. I don't care enough. It's just like I've accepted my role as like milf to the children. Whoa, fuck.

That is what they call me. Like that's the main thing that they. It's because of her glasses. That is the main thing they call me. That's fantastic. Those glasses is what it is. It is. That's great.

Yeah. I don't care. Yeah, they, it's very confusing for me because online I'll, when I obviously tell men to suck my wiener, they literally, they'll last. they'll laugh and they'll joke and sometimes I'll say how old I am and they're like oh I thought you were younger than that and then when I on this show when I've told people like sometimes they think I'm like 20-21 they'll be like you don't look anywhere near 20 first of all relax well take it down a notch second of all what's that supposed to mean like I don't care about getting old though I really don't getting all the show but it's like you guys need to take that hate out of your hearts but you don't get to talk about that no only I get to laugh about that I mean I just want to be beautiful one. Totally.

But also, there's nothing wrong with getting old, but you know one of the most beautiful population is older women. That's a fact. Shut up. So all you. Shout out to all the baddies. Older women. Wherever you are.

Anyone, yeah, shout out to all the older women. A.k.a. over 20. Yeah. Like, what the freaking Genzi terrorist's thing. I mean, we obviously, we feel it like in a interesting way because we are pop music. musicians and I feel like historically you like age out of pop music after like you're fossilized at 25 we're barely in the door and we're ready to get kicked out yeah yeah right you all look a lot younger than you are though thank you so I think you have that you have that

working for you I also do feel like there are like some trailblazers that have like I think it's shifting a little bit yeah people don't care as much as long as you're always really been exception and you're like check yeah yeah i just want to be beautiful so such an awesome close i think we do put pressure on ourselves to like look good yeah yeah especially as entertainers yeah yeah it's you ever feel like you have to you're expected to like somehow keep getting hotter and it's like how do you do i only have what i have i only at the end of the day yeah i think i mean thankfully mine doesn't really work off that mine works off me being really fucking mean to men. It's funny

because one time I got a comment on one of my videos and they were like, oh, see, this is what happens when you like, you like pump up women who think, who get famous for being good looking. I was like, oh, babe, you're on the wrong fucking profile. That is not why I got big. Honestly, but thank you so much. My looks for the last thing

on the list that made me famous on TikTok bitch. I was like, I got big on there for being a terrorist. Shut out. An emotional terrorist on there. That's what I've been doing. How did it start? Does everyone already know this? who watches. This is not our podcast.

It's all right. This is my show. So if I'm going to talk about me, I'm going to talk about me. I'm just kidding. I actually started by, I made, I was making silly videos. It's mostly like story times. I was just talking about random stupid shit that happened to me. Because honestly, the weirdest things happened to me all the time, even now in this job.

And I made one video where I stitched a girl who said, like, what are some weirdly specific red flags and men that you have. And so I had a whole list and they were very specific. Like I said, like, if Wolf of Wall Street's your favorite movie, wear a backwards hat in the pool, loyalty tattooed on the arm,

any sort of clock tattooed on you anywhere. If you get it, you get it. So I was like, those are like the worst men in the world. And then that was my first video to go super viral. And that's when I had a bunch of, a bunch of like people who date men being like, this is so true, this is so true, that's so funny.

And then a whole lot of men who fucking hated that video. Yeah, all the, all the empty tattoo men. Men with a lion's face tattooed on their fist. Exactly. My God. Yeah. Like, only.

I love my mom. Only God can judge me. Yeah, that's so awesome. I love that. I actually love that as a tattoo. That one I'm going to stick up for. You know, that one I can defend it well. A man of God?

I'm here for it. What, an honorable man of the Lord? An honorable man of the Lord? You and me both. Yeah. I am an honorable man of the Lord. Me personally. You're laughing. Your laugh is just fucking delightful.

Oh, thank you. I've had a few people tell me they're like, the laugh is so fake. And I was like, well, I'm someone, so I'm Polynesian. I'm sure there's quite a few that go to USC. Someone, they're all athletes, but they're all on the football team. But I have told people before it's not exclusive to me at all. Like someone people laugh just like me. Everyone does. Like my sister laughs just like me, my mom.

That's what's up. Everybody, it's like a cackle. It's not really a laugh. Oh my gosh. I want to go to dinner with your family. Well, it works against me in a lot of ways because when I, when it's really not funny, you can tell because my laugh is real customer service laugh. Right.

Right. Right. Yeah. Same. Love that. Oh, that's so great. It's always been the same laugh, though. I feel like my laugh changes every couple of years.

Mine does too. If I could have changed it when I was a kid, I would have because I felt like it was obnoxious, which it is. But I, now I'm like, now, pay my bills. Reap the benefits. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck it.

Now it pays my bills, so it works out. If that isn't, if that isn't the story of existence, I don't know what is. That's kind of gross, honestly. Yeah, so true. I am curious to know for y'all, like, how did you, like, what was your first moment when you, y'all were like as a band and coming up in the business where you're like, I think this is, like, actually, like, working. I think it's, like, turning into a thing.

I feel like it only happens, like, maybe one time when you sell out, like, a three or 400 cap room and you're like, okay, everyone. needs to start talking to me real different. Because I'm pretty... I'm a huge... What? Name a moment. Name the moment.

I don't know. I feel like it's like maybe when we played the echo or something where it's just like, holy shit, this is like an amount of people that give a shit about us. And they all... But, you know, it doesn't matter that half of them went to our school or whatever. That's irrelevant to the story. Yeah. But then every moment after that, for real, it just becomes kind of like, oh, I'm not where

I, you, you, you start thinking, I'm not, your problem with me. From then on it's pretty much, you're just funny. You're like, can I have the room, please? No, I'm, I'm interpreting it. From then on, it's pretty much, I'm, I'm not good enough. Well, kind of.

Yeah. Legit. Or sometimes you can get, like, am I wrong? You can get surprised where it's like, you can still feel the feeling where it's like, is someone going to come to the show and you're still surprised that people come to the show up and they're like, obsessed.

Yeah, you do, you never feel like you make it. You become jaded and surprised. I think it's both. Yeah. It's just like, as, they level up, you start getting more and more like, oh my God. Yeah. People are still fucking with me.

That's crazy. Yeah. Totally. You guys were at Coachella last year, too, right? Yeah. That was a big moment. That was when we were like, what? Hope people come.

I was going to say. Coachella was my festival also, like, growing up here. So I was really, I was very excited. That was the most stressful thing ever. Yeah. I mean, like, probably was. It was so stressful. It's like we're, we're like pessimistic lesbians.

So in the beginning. It's like, get that. They like early on, like when we were still in college and we were trying to, we knew that we had a certain amount of time like where we needed to get signed and like get a check from somebody in order for us all to be able to stay in L.A. And like working on stuff. Mm-hmm. And like at the time it was like 2014, 2015, 2015. So it actually mattered a lot if you got posted on these things called music blogs. Oh.

And. And I remember. like feel like when we got posted on the fader yeah that was a big deal like we're going to be able to be a band and like it was really really high off of it yeah and I do agree that it's like after you like get more and more success um we've talked to other musicians about this too it's like there is kind of diminishing returns in terms of like the chemical experience well yeah yeah totally other than fear yeah yeah but I mean but but but but you still have like I would say that in the last album cycle we had a lot of moments that I really

wasn't expecting we in a way we had kind of made piece of like maybe we had like plateaued of like maybe we're going to get stay at this level as a band and um like be able to make it work for I don't know however long you yeah however long we can um but yeah getting to to do Coachella last year and having it be like go the way it did and then like getting on the tailor tour that was just like I was gonna say that was gonna bring that up next that's crazy yeah that was crazy yeah and we know our our good friend and mortal enemy Caleb absolutely went and saw y'all in Kansas City which is exciting that was really fun and cool he told me he's like my goal is like my goal is like they were show the stadium yeah yeah it's a tall order yeah I believe good luck yeah

I wish you luck. Yeah. I'm so, like, how, well, first of all, how was Coachella? Like, that was, was that your guys' first Coachella? Yeah, that was our first Coachella. It, you know, we did, I mean, like, how on, like, it was so stressful leading up because we were also making a music video and putting out a single, and we had, like, a month to finish, like, a song. And also, like, we, you know, a lot of bands will have, like, musical directors and stuff like that.

We do everything ourselves. Yeah, because it's just, like, we're. Yeah. We're just too anal, you know. And also we're like, we're musically literate amongst ourselves enough to be able to like, y'all don't need outside. Yeah. We just kind of, yeah. I mean, the program at our university that they went to kind of like prepares you for doing this type of shit in a way.

Yeah, that's like. So like, and we have, you know, our bass player and our drummer are both like incredibly musically gifted. So we can kind of, normally just like work things out between all of us. But yeah. That's crazy. It was stressful. We do everything. We do it all. I mean, for the most part. And I think the stressful thing about Coachell is like the scale of it and also knowing it's just one of those moments that you know, you're like, oh, people will see this. You know, it's not just a show where you can be like, that was like a fine show. But if, you know, whatever, we have another one tonight or, you know, tomorrow or whatever. It's just one of those things where it's like, this is important. It matters. And. And it's like huge.

Yeah, just like it's just a massive kind of situation. So I think there was stress for us also leading up we were using like this is this is very like behind the music minutia. So I'll be fast. But we were using like, you know, visuals on an LED screen for the first time that were like synced to our music in a way. Normally we just had like, you know, a static logo or a little animatic thing that. Yeah. before. Yeah, but like we had like a full thing planned and like a show flow and we had props and shit and like that was I mean it was just insane. We were just getting no sleep and you know

busting our asses but it was like as always like huge things never go like exactly how you expect them to but we did have like good shows. Yeah we played really well and I'm we were all proud of ourselves so yeah in the end like all of our years of not being this sounds so stupid all of our years not being as successful as we are now we're all preparation because like we've been playing together as a band for like 10 years so it's like even if something isn't going exactly right on stage it's like yeah we're gonna work it like you know yeah well y'all's chemistry is most important like if y'all are vibing that's all that really matters yeah outside stuff is nice to have but as long as the three of y'all are good then you know the show's gonna go well

regardless yeah that's so great with cochella that's awesome I was there too you were Yeah. Cool. I was also performing. Apparently, y'all missed my set. You're here. I'm really sorry. That was a one-woman show up there. I have no musical talent at all. What the fuck. I was just a dickhead in the crowd. But I'm happy, I'm happy that that was y'all's like. Did you see Rosalia? I sure did. That was crazy. We watched it because we didn't get to stay. We watched it on like, you know, the live stream.

Yeah. Oh my God. She was unspaking believable. Even on our bus TV screen. I think everybody fell in love like deeply more than. Some people. I'm trying to think of who else played that weekend. Boy Genius was there. Yeah. Shout to our boys.

Yeah. Yeah. We watched them too. They were great. Yeah. So I watched gorillas. That was, oh yeah.

That one was good. Yeah. That was fun. Oh, Bad Bunny. Oh, bad bunny was night one. Yeah. I was so,

I don't know why, but we were like right up against the stage for gorillas. I'm not even really like, I'm not like a huge guerrillas fan, but like I know the music. Yeah. I was like, why am I in the mosh pit?

I was like, my ass is too. To be in here? Was the production really cool? It was really cool. Like visually it was like stunning. Yeah, I'm sure. That's kind of like their thing too.

Yeah. They're very like, their animation's a huge part of their show. Yeah. It was sick. Wait, can you see their, their human bodies? Yeah,

yeah, we could see. We saw human bodies. It's the guy from blur. Can you imagine if they were actual monkeys playing instruments? I mean, I just think that would be cool for them to like transition, you know, like when it's like they want to stop touring.

They do like a Hannah Montana like costume switch and they come out and they're the monkey. Yeah. And then it's like half gorilla, half human. I'm interested. Let's pitch it. TM, don't take that idea. I'm pretty sure they watch the show.

Yeah, yeah. I know the gorillas are huge fans. They're in my mosh pit, like when they watch. Yeah, yeah. They were barricade for this. Yeah. Yeah, why the fuck was I barricade for gorillas? Like, there was.

That does rule. That does rule. The gorilla? I honestly don't know why we were there. Why were we there? I miss, we missed people. We were like, why did we stare there the whole time? It was kind of like, you know,

you know when you're like that close and then you kind of get locked in there right that's that's that's my worst favorite yeah i think if going to a music festival like you really i really just like kind of abandon all there's no plan no way no my plan every year if i do go to kochella is to stay alive that's really oh my god that is the only priority you're going into a truly hectic threatening yeah yeah i used to you about it when you go foot on on that yeah i used to go car camping and coachella and my god you're stronger than me i mean i was in high school i can't believe if you went like cocella yeah i'm like was someone paying you okay people like this is the thing this people like we did go we did go artists yeah we did go

that's the only reason why people like festivals we play festival i know we don't want to go to the it's normal yeah we're just like whoa because you're like i can't believe you went well the only reason we did go was because well i don't car camp that's for yeah yeah damn sure and you better not hell yeah and uh we went artists and we went with our friends and brittney broski you went with us last year and like like her and i together is like we're we're really good friends and our big group went together and i remember what of her friends wanted to go watch blink 182 yeah and that was our first time going artist so i didn't know they had like all these back roads right and so we the carts were gone and then uh one of the security

ladies was like oh if you want to make it like you should just walk through ga And we were like, all right, fine. And we go, that was the worst decision I could have ever made. You have to see what it's really like. And I've been GA. Like when I didn't do this for a living, I went one year and I went GA. And it was like, it was cool. But I was like, I'm never spending money on that again.

I'm a liar. And then when we walked through GA, it was just a nightmare because me and Brittany are together. And I'm a huge bitch. And so they can see me from a mile away. My boyfriend's with us. He's huge. You just can't change your face. No, really.

If I could, I would put my. boyfriend in a wig so that no one could see him or I'll make him run ahead of me but I I felt like that episode of Game of Thrones when he's like the battle of the bastards when he's being suffocated by the bodies and he's like that was literally me oh my god go on there it was horrible it was so bad and then we got there the set was over not even worth it yeah I mean you don't really have a choice at this point you're Drew you're simply too famous oh god guys guys please guys please just treat me like everybody else please that's the thing is I don't even give a shit It's just more so like don't touch me.

Yeah. And I'm a Virgo, so like I hate being touched like by people who don't know me at all. No, I mean, I think that's human stuff. I don't even think. I get it. No, I'm touching and being touched. I don't. I don't want you to touch me.

I don't want you to touch me. My sister's very touchy. I'm not at all. So I'm very like, it's dependent. It's really dependent. It's like straight. You got to, unless you're the most dazzling person I've ever seen.

You know what I mean? Who can like woo me into, you say that you don't want me to touch you, but I feel like sometimes. you need a hug. I don't want you to touch me. And you're kind of smiling. No.

Tolerance. Tolerance. That's a tolerance sound. Yeah, even me, it's kind of hard for me to be like, like I like affection. Yeah, it just depends. Yeah. It's really dependent.

But a lot of times I'm like, I'm good. Yeah. And I envy. Yeah. He's like the only person. Yeah. That's the only person. I don't care if he touches me.

But anyone else, I'm like, all right. I'm with you. And I remember, uh, Like even so, and I'm sure I'm so curious to know y'all's stories with these, but like with fans, like, God bless them, love them so much. Sometimes too much, too much touching. For sure. Which I, sometimes it's a little too much for me where I have to say something, which I hate. Like, I don't want to upset you, but sometimes they'll like just reach for me.

Yeah. So I'm like, ooh, ooh. Yeah. Love you though. I mean, I feel like you're also kind of at a different level than us. You're fucking famous. Yeah. More famous than you?

Yes, honey. I think so. You're out of your mind. Voting the comments. Yeah. We can't be anonymously famous to some people where it's like, oh, they know the band, but they don't know. Yeah, they've heard of us and then they talk to us. And then they're like, oh, I didn't know you were from that, if we're not all three together.

Yeah. I didn't know that you were. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, such a fun. I love that song. Have you ever had someone be like, you look really? familiar and then you're like oh for sure yeah and then they want they're like do i know you from

somewhere and then they kind of make you do the dance and you're like please don't make me yeah i'm doing the dance of anonymous like i sell insurance yeah i was an accountant i'll lie all the time too i'll be like no probably not yeah i doubt it i was visiting my grandma and um we went on to dinner and this waitress was like kept looking at me and she was like i'm sorry like i am getting distracted because you really look like the singer of like one of my favorite bands and I was like oh and then and then black pink um I know I get that all the time I'm not her and my grandma was like oh well she she she she's a musician too so that's funny but like my grandma like didn't put it together no it's great she didn't I love that I love that oh so your your grandma didn't pick up the cues oh yeah no my grandma

just didn't think I was I was famous enough for that to be a thing that's And the waitress had to come back and like and be really explicit. Getting sunned by your own grandma. Are you kidding? Well, no, I think she just, yeah, she just didn't know. Well, she doesn't, you know. My family does that to me all the time. It's all right.

Also, I genuinely didn't know because I'm, I could totally. Like, if I'm in L.A., again, like being banned famous is a thing and then also being gay famous. It's like, I feel like if I'm in Los Angeles, that's one thing. But if I'm in like a town in Florida, I'm not thinking that I'm going to get clocked. Totally. Totally. Yeah.

I feel that. fans also though like I'll say that they are like some of the most respectful people they really are like all time we're lucky baby like it's rare to not like they they respect our personal space and like stuff like they're just great because they also know I mean I think if you like us you know that we're just sensitive people and they're down for you know that vibe that's I think that's wonderful and honestly the only people that I've ever crossed boundaries with me yeah I genuinely don't think are huge fans they're just they recognize me yeah a lot of times they don't even know my fucking name which is funnier yeah yeah they're like yo they're like you're like that one girl like with the laugh and stuff right

and i'm like i don't you're gonna have to be a little bit more specific right that could be anybody you're like just a quick quiz but the one girl with the one laugh yeah and i'm like i i could very well be that person that you're thinking yeah so you don't really owe them shit yeah that it's and you know i will say this too when i did go to y'all's show yeah um your fan are so sweet. They're the best. Like the sweet people live and I did get recognized a ton at your show and they were all very, very sweet.

That's really sweet. And they were so nice and they said hi from a distance and they're like, I don't want to bother you. Keep it up. That's what I like to hear. Yeah. The soldiers are hard at work. I like the good behavior.

Yeah. Mama life. Wow. Whoa. Don't bring Mama into this. They're going to start acting up. Yeah. Why is everybody think I'm older?

Yeah. She said, Mama life. Whoa. I am curious too about when it comes to like I know I feel like you're the song that really like made you move from purely like your when you said gay famous. Yeah. Yeah. Was it Silkhaffon? I feel like that was your biggest. Yeah. Yeah. How did that song come about? I'm so curious. I would love to hear the story. Yeah. So I started writing that song like right after we finished our second album. It's really common for me to like like once we're done turning in a record and like the person. comes off sometimes I'll like have a burst of creativity because that's the exact point that I don't need it um naturally so that's when it happens and um it genuinely was just based off of like

a lot of my writing is just autobiographical hate to say it but it's like I had taken some time off of dating um while we were writing our second record and was like getting back in the game a little bit and like flirting with some girls and I and I was um rollerblading around town um not kidding like I really Katie got rid of her car

yeah and was like I'm gonna use my rollerblades as transportation no this is the guy I got rid of my car because I had too bad of anxiety so I was like I was gonna rollerblade around you went on the streets of LA yeah in my rollerblades and almost got myself killed like 10 times Jesus Christ.

Yeah. So, I mean, it was just like, it was just life. And then I took that song, I tried to do some co-writing for the third album. So I took, like, the beginning of that song to Nashville and worked on it a bit more. And then I sent it to somebody who is in Phoebe's band. And her, like, the biggest, like, co-writer, Marshall Vore. Yeah. Oh, love.

And he was, like, he really liked the song and then um we had been like talking at the time about we didn't really know what our future was going to be at rca because we we got dropped during the pandemic oh wow um so yeah so like silk is very connected to kind of like also getting signed to phoebe's label so so like after um yeah after that we um we um we I don't know, like, were we talking about the EP after we got dropped? No, it was before. Okay, like, we weren't sure what was going to be next.

Yeah, we were desperate. And we weren't expecting RCA to give us money for, like, a full record. But we were like, maybe we can do an EPE of like, collabs. Collabs, like, with different queer artists. Yeah. And so we had thought about Phoebe for Silk. And then we got dropped, and Phoebe had started a record label.

And so, and we knew she wanted to sign us. Yeah, period. after that we were like well girl you you better get on it because you're going to own the song so and she did and she did and she didn't and it took off yeah she's just the fucking best yeah like it she really has been a good homey does I don't even know she really understands how much she saved our ass but she would also she's the kind of person who because she believes in us like she's the kind of person who would also like never say that because she would be like it's because you guys are great

Yeah, she didn't mean it. She wouldn't put her, like, support behind you. And she did, I mean, she put, like, you know, she was popping so much at the time where it's like, she put more than just signing us like, she put her celebrity like on the line to be like be on that song, be a part of like everything. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. God bless Phoebe.

And it also was, it was different for her too at the time. Like she'd done a lot of featuring, I think, but it was all similarly like kind of folky indie shit. Yeah. Yeah. We were just like, would you be on a pop song, I guess? like yeah and I don't know yeah different for her but she saw something and he also and it worked out oh yeah yeah we've been orbiting we've got the touch of a god yeah touch of a god yeah touch of a guy the might as touch honey yeah so that was and and like right after we put it out we were also

opening for her on tour love and like when we started playing shows on that run we like started realizing like people know the song yeah almost more than any other song in the song set and then now it's like now when we play it's usually the last song that we play just because like yeah definitely it was like your big big like launch pads oh right totally totally so what about how about the taylor swift of it all i'm assuming is that through phoebe um you know taylor's honestly known us for a while which is funny yeah she's period yeah she put us on a playlist like back real cashed london like years ago yeah she she put one of our songs so special on one of her like music playlist and then she put number one fan on another place that she made so she's like

listened to all of our albums i mean god bless her um yeah so we've known at least that she was like aware of us and we know we've toured with um with jack antonoff yeah a bunch we've toured with bleachers a ton he's taking us out like you know dating kind of way back and yeah shout out um and so there we've been we've been aware that she at least like knew of us yeah Yeah. But yeah, it was still like, you know. To get the ask was like, holy shit. We were just like, well, obviously we're doing this. Can you reply to her now and tell them we're doing it?

So it's like, we'll figure out details later. So when you go on tour, you like, let's say you're an artist that's going on tour. It's like you usually like have people pitch to go on tour with you. It's like for this tour, no one gets the pitch. She hands selects everybody. And like, and people, I know people were asking our managers like, how do. we get it? We're like, we don't know. I don't know. Couldn't tell you.

No. Yeah. She just. She just asked Joel. Yeah. I mean, that, that's really the Midas touch. Like, my God. That's crazy. Yeah. And how was that performing in arenas? So wild. It was crazy. So it's like, I didn't actually know there's a difference between arenas and stadiums. Yeah. But like we, we, I feel like we've worked our way up. Like, we, we've been touring as an opening act for a long. time. Yeah.

We've played like every size venue that you could possibly. Yeah. And I was really expecting like to be really anxious about those shows. But my experience a little bit was like once we got out there, it was kind of like being on a playground. Well, it's huge. It's fucking huge. The thing that, the only thing that I'll say about it, like the stage is so big.

We kept getting trapped, not trapped on stage, but trapped in. the idea that we had to run the whole stage all the time. Oh yeah, I was really out of breath. And so we were doing so much cardio on the stage. We were an apple watch. I did that once and I ran five miles a show. I'm serious.

That's insane. That is so funny. Yeah. I mean, you just cannot stop yourself. Me personally, I could not stop. Yeah. So that was like the main comment I got from like family and stuff. They came to see the show. They were like, I don't know how you physically did that.

They're like, you look like you're getting a workout up there. Yeah, exactly. It's also so big that you don't actually like realize how big it is. And also we did, we did a tour with Casey Musgraves, like, what, two years ago? Love her. Yeah, three years ago. I know. And that really, I think, prepped us for this because at a certain point, it's like a certain amount of people like just looks kind of the same.

Even if it's like 20,000 more people, you just don't, your brain doesn't. You're not counting. No. And also, you're opening. So it's like, you're trying to just to convince them to care. Right. Because people, no, literally. You are. People are like, people don't know you. They're going to get there. We always say it's hot dog.

Because like this one, people are going out in the stands getting their hot dogs. And you got to convince them. Hot dog set. And so you got to convince them to be like a bathroom break. Drop, drop the hot dog and watch our set. You know what I mean? But her fans are also so like, oh my God. There's so much. They, they, they are so. They respect her choices. They respect her choices. They're dedicated to like being a part of her world in any way that she will allow. them to be like so i think like they had a good amount of them had like an inherent interest in who the openers were because it's like oh this is a band or this is an artist that taylor likes so like i'm gonna try to like them yeah yeah so people did come with like open minds and and had done i mean

there were like tictock's back of the day being like we're gonna walk you through the airs tour openers just like so you're prepared when you go to the set like so you know these are these are the songs you should listen to and like all this shit i mean it was like it was wild so the show is like regardless of us like seeing that show and seeing how the fans are at that show and just like how she performs like that's a master class and like performance and I don't know anybody who does it better I know I know I went to her LA show oh my god I did you go so I did yeah y'all weren't there I know I wish I mean god I'm not cool enough for all the city I'll go again I'll say tell Taylor yeah yeah I saw I saw her

I think it was August. Yeah. So cool. And it was, it was long. Yeah, it's insane. I could not believe how long she was going for. And people, people are dedicated to the entire show.

Yeah. It's unbelievable. It was truly, it was truly bananas watching it. And it looks like, yeah, two billion people. Yeah, definitely. And maybe that's just my stupid bitch brain. But I was like, there could be a 100,000 or one million people in here.

Yeah, totally. That's what believe. That's what happens. You know, it's just too many to understand. It's completely insane. Yeah. And did you all notice people singing along to every, every song that you guys had or y'all had it on whether it was your really popular ones or whether it was just your kind

of like deeper cuts? People would catch on. I would say, you could find some people that were singing along. If anyone, the thing that's funny, and I think about this, like, when you do an opening, in some ways, it's like, if you saw us actually at an opening show, I am so much more likely to pay attention to you and, like, give you personal attention. Do you ever find this? Yeah.

During an opening show because it's like, I'm just trying to connect with anybody. Yeah. I'm going to the person, the one person. So they want to connect with you. They got to come see all open. Yeah. That's a tip. Yeah.

Do we pay hard to get in a room of our devoted fans? But you got to remain mysterious amongst your fans. But our booking agent has promised us that we're not going to be headliners now. I hope so. Yeah. I hope so. And last tail. Mike and Rachel.

Yeah. Mike Rachel. Yeah. it. That was going to be my next question I was going to ask like if y'all, when y'all headline your own, when your own tour like who would y'all want to open for you? Oh, that's such a good question. We've had some great openers. We've had meet me at the altar, which is like I kind of like, would you say pop punk? Yeah, they're a pop punk band who are awesome. I fucking love them. Can I look at my phone? Yeah, absolutely. I'm like, I'm just like

I realize, I never know what I'm listening to unless I have. I'm not listening to anybody cool. That's for sure. I'm not listening to. Also, a lot of the people that it's like they we could say that we'd want them to open for us and then they'll be bigger than us in two months. I know that is so true. So it's like we could say people, but they will be bigger than us in two months. Jensen might be bigger than us now. I don't know. We had Jensen McCray open for us a while ago and like she's she went to USC and she's just such an amazing song writer.

Jensen went to. Yeah. Yeah. I love her. I know. Yeah. She's so great. She's the best.

Yeah. I mean, I know her and I are mutuals on TikTok. I did not know. That makes sense. Yeah. She's also just like. Who else. such a sweet person.

She's so talented. I know. Yeah, she really is. I have no musical gifts whatsoever. I'm looking at my, I'm looking at what I've been listening to. That's pretty cool. I think that's awesome. Yeah, I think that is cool.

I'm looking at what I've been listening to it's all just like older lesbians. Yeah. That will take. I mean, a dream scenario, we're opening for Katie's dream scenario. We're opening for Tracy. I was going to say Tracy. Well, that's never. Or Tori Amos.

But yeah. Way to bring it up. Yeah. Yeah, it's so hard to say. All the people, it's so hard to say. Yeah, I mean. There's just, y'all have too many. Everyone's going to be bigger than us in 12 hours.

I think it's also, it's like, that's kind of what happened with Chapel Rhone. Like, I feel like when she came up, I was like, cutie. And then, like, she's just been like me. I was going to say, like, the last dinner party, but they will be bigger than us in 12 hours. Yeah, it is what happens. Y'all are just speaking into existence. Every time you talk about them, they get, they get big. I'm happy for them.

Empress. I love Empress. Oh, my God, Empress. emperous of. She'll she same with her. It's everyone, God bless her. You're like, your only requirement is you must be gay. I really love, do you listen to Alley-X? I don't, I don't think so.

I really love her new record. Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. I don't know if she would want to go on to her, but. Yeah, I don't know if she would. You sure do. Yeah, you sure do. Yeah, you sure do. You sure do like that.

Okay, I want to get, I'll get on to the topic now. Now we'll transition onto the topic. Whoa. Our topic today is basically creating a space. to celebrate like queer joy in mainstream pop music. Oh, yeah. I feel like, y'all, I mean, obviously, y'all are not, like, like, the first queer artist ever to exist,

but I feel like y'all have to, I mean, to some people you are. Other than Tegan and Sarah, we were the first. And for some reason, the Veronica's, even though they're sisters. I know, there's something gay about that shit. There is. Veronica's are queer-coded. They are. Well, their songs are, like, so, like, sex.

Yeah, but not sex with men. No, no, definitely not. that's why I was like there's something about the Veronica's there's a little something there I do want to say too though I what I love like about y'all is I feel that y'all's music and band is I feel like some people's first experience like listening to queer artists that's really cool because y'all have moved into like what people consider mainstream especially being under someone like Taylor Swift right I feel like y'all are their first experience with queer music and it's beautiful it's think it's a beautiful thing like they connect to your music and then they don't really know much about you but then when they look into they're like oh okay like it gives them i think a different lens on what they perceive to be queer music and what they don't because i obviously music is music it's not gendered in any way but i think your ability to transcend from just the gay community to anyone really who wants to love pop music i think that's a beautiful thing just like the

amount of like middle-aged men who just have like fathers men who just have fathers it's a lot of feelings who are like reaching out to us like fathering you for what you do oh that's so sweet yeah I think that's really beautiful but also I I do like hearing from like the younger fans who maybe saw us opening for somebody and they were like I was really like interested in what you guys were doing and like humping on each other and then they're like come to find out like I'm gay Yeah. I had a lot of feelings watching you. Yeah.

And then I realized. Yeah. There was something about it. That wasn't about you. That is actually really. That really is funny though. That actually is an experience that we hear about. Because that happened to me with like different things.

You know, it's like you don't really know why. You just don't think it's going to be you doing that thing. I want to see that again. Something about that. It's really intriguing me. Your first like, uh-oh. yeah uh-ohs oh yeah now y'all and now that's y'all for other people we're uh-ohs that's insane

is that crazy to think about i think it's kind of cool it is crazy i think it's really cool it's just humbling you know what i mean like you just don't you know we're just on a wild ride that's really we're just lucky to be here now your people's realization oh that's pretty cool it also makes me think about you can cut this if you want but it's like the all right of it all and they're with like, huh, grooming. Oh, yeah. And it's like, well, I'm sorry, but it's just like, no, let's hear it. We are, like, we probably are.

We probably are responsible for like a lot of like younger people realizing that that you're gay, but like, I'm not doing that. We're not making them gay. We're definitely. No, you guys are. We got to send you a shirt that, um, for our podcast, um, that Naomi designs all of our merch and we have a shirt that says become gay. and I think you would give to me.

I'll take it. I'll wear it everywhere. Become gay. Yeah, that is the goal actually. I also ask that they do that. Please do. Do it. Do it and do it swiftly. We need more. Yeah, please. We need more in God's army. We need more soldiers. We're lacking on the front line.

We can't talk about the agenda on there, you guys. You're right. We're discussing the agenda. I know. I've talked about this before because I've had someone when my sister and I were on tour, we had like a section for Q&A and someone asked me if I'd ever thought that I was gay because I I've hated men for a very long time yeah and I was like yeah obviously that was like the first thing I thought I was like well I'm probably gay and she was like well how do you know you're not and I was like because I tried it and it didn't work and I wish that it did and say a little more I know your mom is in the room but hey the milf the milf's being too jizz Katie's gonna get you chas on her

That's a savey me. Jizz is the safe word for all of us. Hey, Katie, can I talk to your first? When you come on our pod, I'll have you say a little more. Please do. Oh, yeah, I'll save that for y'all. Yeah. I mean, we all try.

I mean, I tried to be straight too. But some people tried to be straight. And it didn't, I didn't. When I was a kid up. I put my time in. Yeah, you're one of the front lines soldiers of trying. Yeah, yeah. You're like, you got a lot of man hours.

I said, yeah, you all tried. Uh-oh. You and me both, unfortunately, for me. I was like, I do have crushes on guys, actually. All right, I'm going to read one of these. I'll read this TikTok for you all. Okay, so this one is, it starts, you and me both. It starts with a clip from a podcast where a guy says, quote,

gay people do not produce anything good, end quote. A man duetted the video. A man duetted the video and added pictures of some of his favorite songs produced by queer people, including Lil Nas X, Boy Genius, Brock Hampton. and perfume genius. Yeah, baby. And basically they're like proving them wrong.

But they said gay people do not produce anything good. And I agree. Oh, really? Oh, okay, I corrected it. It says gay people does not produce anything good.

Gay people. Straight people produced you talking like that. Yeah, straight people produce war and famine. So it's kind of on y'all. Patriarchy, that's on y'all. Gay people do not. I'm just going to say gay people maybe do not produce the best,

we don't produce the best driving skills, but we do produce some of the best music and that's a fact. And they do rollerblade. And they do rollerblade around Los Angeles. Yeah. They produce some of the best dance moves. I'm saying everything fun and awesome in the world was produced. I would say we're gay people kind of produce a lot.

We're kind of producing everything. Straight people are just re-reproducing it. Yeah, they're just colonizing it. They gentrify it. They take it and they make it something. awful. Like you ever like have straight people get a hold of a joke and you're like, now it's ruined. No, it is ruined. Get it. Yeah, it happened. It truly. It happens all the time. They tarnish it. Flip an hourglasses to when something is going to become,

when something's going to reach a straight person's ear and then be like, I love the way that sounds. And then they work into their vocabulary. Yeah, they run it into the ground. God, damn. Oh, man, it's horrible. I get that. And I can say that as a, as a fellow straight, unfortunately. Okay. So the comments on this, this one says, you literally showed us trash-ass songs. So what are you talking about? Go ahead and put Moon on there and see it. For real.

That was the mistake. Wait, I want to know the songs, though. I don't know what songs. Perfume genius. Boy genius. Boy genius and Brockhampton. Okay. So at least half genius. Yeah.

Colo. Pretty explanatory. Genius is in the name. Yeah. For real. I'm like, also, there are so many good songs from all of those people. Yeah. And straight people produce some of the,

some of the best gay music, Kylie Minogue, and share. I don't know if that's good for the case. It's not good. No, but wow. That doesn't hurt. That hurts y'all's case. Gay people produce the best fandoms. That's true, too.

That's a fact. That's very true. I feel like if the gays love you, it's going to work out regardless. That is true. They latch on for life. They will. It's the same thing with women, like, whether they're gay or not. Like, if you have a primarily female demographic,

They love you. You're going to work out. I love that. That is true for lesbians. What do you mean? If lesbians love you? If lesbians love you, then like they love you for life. Yeah.

Not great women. Well, Taylor Swift was your gateway into straight women. Right, right. Shut out. That's true. I'm telling you. It helped to cross. The next album be called straight women.

This is for you. Please listen to this. This is for you. Yeah. Give us ideas if any come to mind. Well, honestly, well, mine was just absolutely fucking up any man I came across. That worked for me. I'm like I could probably write some songs that were mean to make because I do have a history

I'm like I'm telling you I could probably dig into that a little bit totally but our loyalty to the lesbians yeah will not allow us it'll say it'll prioritize you'll prioritize the gay as always right but that's complex as well because it's like you know the gay it's funny like if when we started writing music with like pronouns that were like she then like the gay men that listen to our music are it's like straight when they sing it versus if they like are singing on to a pop girl well and that's gay when they sing about a boy it's gay when they you know what I mean it's math but that's well bad and gay we're trying honestly I think we want to and this could totally be false I think we want to try to connect with our gay guy we want we want we want the we want

the gay guy pop star energy totally you know what I mean that's what you know yeah we're trying to be full cunt we're trying to unite the community I don't our shows. Yeah, absolutely. In a way that they are not united often. Talk about intersectionality. Right. Legit.

Well, kind of. I mean, like, true. They, they, that is the feat. It is, that is like, kind of the prize for us of, like, doing what we do. Is that it kind of does feel like, one, a space, you know, like, gay bar cultures, like primarily cis male dominated and like not really a sapphic space. Yeah. I, yeah, totally.

So, I mean, there obviously are, like, lesbian or sapphic. ours however you would say it but it's they're fewer and further between and I think like the fun thing about our shows is like when you are at a show and you look out it's like there are definitely like the dykes turn out and we fucking love them and I am a dyke and shout out to all the dykes but to me and I can say that word that you cannot tell me I can't say that word I know if you don't have that if you don't have nothing if I don't have that don't take it away let me have this one thing come on man dyke is a gender That's my gender.

I love that. It's true, dude. Yeah, that's my sexual preference. Hey, come on now. Say that. Say that. Dirty. Sandwich between two on the couch.

I love it. I've really done something good with my life. I know you have. I've done something clever. You're living the dream. God's divine plan works. I'm taking my MIDI keyboard into the jam session. Oh, I'm getting in there.

I'll be getting in there. Wherever you're at, you don't even tell me the address. I'll just show up. This is all just to say like they're, they're, they're all the whole. LGBTQ plus spectrum is at the moon of shows. Absolutely. It's diverse. In that way,

we love it. And I love that. And I, that's what's beautiful about y'all is that it's, even though y'all have crossed over into mainstream now, um, you all have stayed the same. We're working on being even more mainstream.

It's reminding me of, um, okay, recently I learned that the lyrics in Born This Way, like in that one section are, um, no matter gay straight or by. That's so,

transgender lives life life so i just love i just love that she did that i love that she took the it's like LGBT community but she did get straight in there yeah and she knows and she knows what's good for her she threw him a bone yeah yeah she said if i want to get on the radio yeah yeah so it's g s l wait g s b l t b l t oh b l t yeah yeah i BLT. BLT. BLT, honey. And Moona welcomes the GSBLT community.

I know. I don't know if I was, but I was a straight person at your show. Oh, yeah. Co-sign. There's more and more. I'm sure. I love that. It's girls bringing their boyfriends.

Period. I mean, I didn't bring, I left mine at home. I said, you stay the fuck home. That space is not for you. I do feel that is respectful. Absolutely. Are you kidding? I said, you stay home.

I'm not like. going out. I'm not. I don't really have too strong a feeling like if like a straight couple is making out at the show. And also you never, you never really know. We played a private gig once, um, way back in the day. And there was a straight, there was a straight couple. Oh, during our song having sex. If you know, if you know the song. First of all, this is one of the darkest shows you could ever imagine us. We were in Montauk. So dark. Which is like that this, that's like the Hamptons. And it was like a private gig that was going to allow us to like do a tour. or whatever.

Okay. Or do part of a tour and not go fucking broke. So we did this fucking show. And there was this couple during our song, Winter Break, which is a sad breakup song. Yeah.

Literally like high as fuck off cocaine. I was gonna say. They were definitely high. Like, it wasn't so much the grinding. Throwing ass on this man. Yeah. They were really to a sats.

It's also one to sweaty. They were so sweaty. It's like the only two on the dance floor. Kind of. right in front right in front right here like it was so crazy so like as long as people aren't doing that and I feel like it was the cocaine that really made them feel like what they were doing was something beautiful they made they made they made beautiful music together yeah they made all you all you all played beautiful music together yeah god damn so nothing is really surpassed that

that piss me off I mean like you know like gig over check in the mail thanks no I left my boyfriend at home he he said where are you going and I was like oh I'm going a concert with my sister and my friends and he was like alone and I was like yeah I'm going to go see moonah and he was like oh enough said he's all I kind of wanted to go I was like okay well then you can know another time next time okay well not tonight but it's nah it's all right fuck him he'll stay at home just kidding ladies leave your man at home that felt for the girls yeah yeah yeah too with the girls those were the vibes I don't think I saw a straight man there.

Did you all see a straight man there? We make special. We have a couple on stage. We do have a couple on stage. We do have a chagrin of many people in the audience. Yeah. People are praying. They come out and they're like, boo.

People literally are like, are you sure that they're straight? Well, it's like, it's like, yeah, they are. He's like a bodybuilder, essentially. He's a tease. He's jacked in the way that old. We also make him a tease. We're like, we're like, wear that, we're that cut off. Yeah.

We put him in crop tops. Yeah. He loves him. Yeah, he loves it. And he loves it. He loves it. He loves it. He does.

He does. He's just asking for it. I know. Everything. Yeah. Yeah. Every time men tits out, I'm like, whore. Yeah.

Literally. Fucking whore. Fucking whore. I'm going to objectify you clearly. I love that. I love that. Yeah. Yeah, I can see your nipples.

You expect me to not do anything. Not get hard when your nipples are out. Jeez, Louise. Jizz. Yeah. Everywhere. Jizz. All right.

Just to wrap. I would love if y'all could give us your best piece of advice for any other queer people that maybe want to get into music or maybe are currently music feeling discouraged. Oh. So curious what you're at y'all's best piece of advice is for them. I want to hear y'all's too. So everyone has to do their own. I would say, honestly, I think the only reason why we're actually successful is we never gave up.

Totally. I really think it's that. I don't, I think that's like it's just enough tenacity that it's like, if you don't quit, you're going to make it through the door. Totally. that's really all my especially thanks to artists like y'all like holding open the door like building it

opening it and letting other people walk through it we're working the door as we speak they're making you work the door but still go go go yeah the door is yeah hit my clothes really soon I can't control this shit go feels like the door is like only cracked

it's cracked we're only up with our foot like yeah yeah yeah I would my piece of advice would be to find other queer people or like people who you feel share like life experience with you because I think for us it was very important we knew what it was like for our like creative decisions and opinions to not be taken seriously yeah totally and you just need collaborators who take you seriously and understand right like your perspective right why you feel that way exactly and like that's more important, I think, than finding someone who has, like, some, like, modicum of power already

who can, like, take you up. It's, like, just find people that you can relate to and then go up. That will fight for you exactly as you are. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I don't know. I have, like, a few different things.

I was going to say, use a good font. Well, hey. Yeah. You can say them all. You know, what I was going to say is, like, get pants that fit. Yeah. Yeah, that is. Don't let people tell you to wear bad clothes.

Totally. You know, just try to, as authentically yourself as you can be, I think the more aligned you are with that, the more confident it will make you. And the more sure of yourself, you will be going into other areas, aspects of your creative pursuits. But I would say, like, if at all. If it at all interests you to like if you're making pop music, if it at all is of interest to like learn how to produce music, like do it. It's so useful to even if you don't want to be the only producer on a song.

It's so useful to just know how to speak the language. How to ask for what you want and to have tools that will come in handy as you, you know, proceed through other kinds of, you know, situations, whether you're in sessions with other songwriters or producers or whether you're, you're mixing a song and like something's not right, but you don't, you want to know how to talk about the things that, like, you have opinions on and have agency in those situations that can, it behooves you. So I think just having like an, even an elementary understanding of production and, and mixing at the very least, just like to be able to ask for what you want from people, even.

you don't want to do the thing or you don't want to make beats and that's not your passion like to be able to understand the foundations of it yeah like be like learn the language don't don't don't allow other people to make you feel powerless through their skill like you have power and it's so easy to like learn some lingo to be able to talk your shit when you're in the room with people totally it's like that it's just kind of a way to you know especially as if you're like already fighting an uphill battle because y'all are queer artists. Yeah, totally. There's already not enough of them in mainstream anything. So being able to like advocate for yourself in those situations, that's tea.

Yeah. Yeah. And that works I think across like any, it like behooves, I'm sure, like someone who's an actor to know a little bit about directing so that when they're on set, they know how to better like be in front of the camera or like what someone might be looking for it. Just like it's the same thing for all stuff. It just helps you. Adds to your arsenal. Just some literacy. Yeah. About other aspects of the field that you're in, I think is helpful.

And even before you all get to that point, you can actually do it yourself if you need to. Yeah, exactly. Y'all did it in-house a lot. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Period.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And take care of your skin. Red light. Red light. Get a red light mask.

Take care of your skin. Go get your moles checked. Totally. Unrelated to music, but it's still very important. Related to the music. related than you think. That's true. Taking out of skin,

no need for Botox. See? Or sagging, worrying about sagging. Jerry's out on the Botox advice. Come back in a little bit. Yeah. I'm not sure.

Well, thank you all so much for coming on the show. Thank you. Thanks for having us. You all are amazing and so talented and genius and necessary. I'm so happy that y'all are in the industry.

I'm happy that you'll have the fame that y'all do and the status that you do. I love to be fam. Thank you. We're looking for rise. Sweet. I'm so. I'm so happy for y'all and excited and honored to have you on the show. Oh, thank you.

And where can everybody find y'all? Um, shit. We're where's Muna on everything? Yeah, MUNA. Yeah. And we're, and our podcast is called Giotic. It's coming back. I don't know when this is coming out.

Uh, probably next week. Yeah, our podcast, I think, is coming out. Our third season's coming out. March 27. We are the best promoters. I don't know. I don't know. They're like, I don't know.

know when. Sometimes it's March. Listen, it doesn't matter when. Just write it down so you don't forget the name. Yeah. Gayotic, which is the way, it's kind of a little bit like the way we've talked to each other on the couch today. Yeah. Period.

So, and make sure you'll stream Moonah's music. Yeah, everywhere. Yeah, play it while you go to sleep and have it on silent, but play it all night. There you go. Or don't have it on silent. Yeah, or play it out. I learn to sleep with Luna. There you go.

Rock you to sleep like a lullaby. And do you all want to plug your individual Instagrams or? Sure, sure. Fuck it. Oh, Slay. Oh, Slay. My Instagram handle, because I'm so famous, is that Jojo Love Dog.

Yes, it is. My Instagram handle is Katie Gavs. G-A-V-S. G-A-V-S. I am Flirt-Cobain, F-L-U-R-T-Cobain. as in Cobain as in Cobain. You know the one.

All your handles being gay is so funny. If you couldn't tell, that should be a giveaway. Yeah, fair enough. Thank you all so much for coming on the show. Thank you.

I don't wait to see all of your continued success. And thank you all for joining us on this episode of the comment section show. Don't forget new episodes drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms or you can watch the video, which is always and exclusively on Spotify,

our favorite platform. Thank you so much to Munah. Thank you so much so much to all of you. And I'll see you next week. Bye. Bye. Bye.