The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - CAN YOU POP OR RAP? Ft. Baby Tate | Drew Afualo | THE COMMENT SECTION EP 78

Episode Date: August 9, 2023

[video available on Spotify] Rapper Baby Tate joins Drew this week for an episode that unpacks just why misogynistic men have such an issue with women in hip-hop. The duo talk about testing songs out on TikTok to see how people feel, defend Nicki Minaj from four men with microphones, what Tate and Drew's dad have in common, and so much more! Drew: https://linktr.ee/drewafualoTate: IG / TikTok Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Why is there so much expected of us? You don't expect all of this from male rappers. Of course not. I don't see this type of discourse happening. Why do you expect so much of us? Why do we have to be the superheroes and the strong female lead? Like, why can't we just have a pussy if we want? Literally.

Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me, your favorite. Everybody knows me. Nobody cares about me anymore. Anyways, on to the amazing guest. Today we have the iconic, the legendary baby Tate. Welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. Happy to have you. Thank you.

We're matching summer girl vibes. Love that for us. Giving the girls outside. Very much so. And we are outside. Yes. Are you outside this summer? Why would I not be?

Where else would I be? Literally. Except outside. Yeah. I'm so happy to have you. I'm excited that you're here on the show. Me too. I'm a big fan of your music.

Thank you. How has you? Oh, thank you. Oh my gosh, Tate, you're making me look. Also, I feel like it's important I mention this. Tate is also my dad's name. What? Oh, my God.

And you like pull it up and then you're my dad. Drew up in meaning to tell you. I have something to share with you. That's so amazing. Yeah, my dad's name is Tate too. It's like a special connection. Look at us. Destined, you and I.

Wow. And now we're together. He's a Pisces. Oh, what's yours? Similarities and there. I'm a Taurus. Oh, I love Tories. I get along with tourists, women especially very well.

What's your sign? Virgo. Ah, Earth sign. Earth sign. Yeah, period. That's also explains why I'm so fucking mean. Yes, it does. For sure.

I like, I love my dad dearly, but when I tell people he's a Pisces, they're like, especially Pisces men. They get a really bad rap. Pisces men and cancer men are. I think water sign men in a general sense. Universally. Hate it. Not the best.

Not the best experience. Would not recommend. Have you had a poor experience with water sign men? Yes. Yeah. And what was that like? I feel like I date a lot of water sign men. Really?

I don't know. I feel like I attract them. Something about earth that just attracts water. You know, it's like, who doesn't love the beach? You know what I'm saying? So I feel like. Who doesn't want to take a dip? Right.

I feel you. So I feel like they just, I don't know, they're obsessed with me. Like, cancer men are obsessed with me. I can't get away from them. It's ridiculous. Girl, I'm sick. I'm sick and tired. I'm tired of it because I feel like you know as an earth sign, like, I also have no water in my chart anywhere.

Really? None at all? None at all. So, like, I'm very like, you know, and I don't do much crying and stuff. And I feel like. You're not very emotional. I'm emotional. But not outwardly.

Are you kind of like hold it in? I do. Yeah, I do. So with cancer men, and I just feel like, yeah. They just get a bit too emotional for me. And I'm like, I can't, I don't know what to do. Klingy. Yeah.

Do you feel, like, smothered? Absolutely. Overwhelmed. Yeah. But on the opposite side, do you like that kind of attention? Are you like a love language kind of girl? Like, are you like a hands-on kind of person? Are you like a little bit different?

It's so weird. Like just a little like, touch my finger, but don't get too close. Yeah. I was just talking with my friends about like what is my love language because this girl, she was just being very forward with me. And I was like, whoa, you're doing too much. Yeah, yeah. I'm feeling like I'm choking.

And my friends were like, I feel like you don't like when people like you. And I was like, that's not true. I just want you to like me and make it make sense. Like me in the way, in a very specific way that I like. Exactly. Because if we just met yesterday, why are you in love with me tomorrow? Like, obviously I can see why you will be in love with me. Girl, I get that part.

But chill out. Like, let's let it progress. Chill. Yeah. Like a little too. I get it. Yeah. But stop.

Stop. Thank you. Enough. I don't want it anymore. Other than being outside, what have you been working on? You working on, I know you said you're working on new music. I am. Which is exciting.

I am. I'm super excited. I'm working on a new album. I have an EP that's coming out soon. How fun. But, yeah, I've been just like in the studio. working on this album with this amazing writer, Justin Tranter, and it's just been like the greatest experience, really, just working on new stuff. And I feel like so many people try to put me in a

box of like what I should or can do as an artist. And I don't know, like this album is really about to eat, like real bad. I believe you. I'm so excited. Every single you've dropped so far eats, so I'm excited. Thank you. I'm curious, too. You. I'm curious, too. You. You're you've been in the game for a while now. Yeah. Since something like the rise of something like TikTok where obviously like virality helps a lot pushing music and now so much so that I think even labels are now like almost pressuring artists upcoming or established already to like continue to post their songs on TikTok. Since the pandemic kind of blew TikTok up, have you seen that kind of effect like the music industry as a whole? Has it kind of changed how you approach like releasing music?

back of my stuff? It definitely, I would say, has changed the music industry, period. TikTok has completely like revolutionized what it even means to be an artist, low-key. Because anybody, like any song, any sound can go viral just from, you know,

the most crazy things, whether it's a trend that someone did or someone attached like a filter to their sound. And then now everybody's using this, And it's like, what is this song? Who is this artist? So it's definitely like changed the way that I think all of us as artists approach. Yeah.

Music, you know, it's really fun because I'm able to like test. Like, do y'all like this song? You're all vibing with it? No. Okay, we're going to go back to the drawing. I was totally kidding. I hate that song as well. I also hate it.

Yeah, I was trying to let everyone else know that it wasn't good. That it's bad. So I'm glad we're all on the same pitch. Thank you. Yeah. But yeah, I love TikTok, honestly. That's cool. I have a, I love TikTok.

That's what I will say, period. That's good. I'm glad to hear that. I think, too, it's also really given artists that aren't as like established as yourself just yet, like the chance to kind of like showcase their, you know, talent and capability in a way that I think would be a lot harder if they were going the traditional route. Yeah.

Especially if they don't look a certain way. So if they're not like small, white, and like pop star are like very beauty standard Eurocentric. It's a lot harder to get in the door regardless. So I feel like something like TikTok has kind of changed the opportunity. It's kind of like given them more equal footing so they can kind of showcase their talent too. I feel like sometimes even like more established artists have a more difficult time on TikTok. Yeah. Just because like it's hard to get out of that like artist box.

Yeah, like traditional way of going. person. That's why I don't, that's why I think it helps you a lot and you like use it as a tool to just like further the opportunity to, for more people to hear your music. Some people I think fight against it because they're so, they're like, oh, it's so corny. Yeah. I know, which I think is like, I'm like, do you want to do it or not? I mean, it's free marketing. You want people hearing music or no. Yeah, it's, it's marketing at the end of the day. And I also think too, it's like changed even traditional Hollywood too because now you see like different artists like whether they're actors or performers of any kind they're like hiring ticotkers to help them make content so that it can go

viral and then people will go see their shit or listen to it ticot has changed the world in a great way truly and for men in a horrible way by platforming me so my bad no you're welcome yeah actually you're welcome to those men that was a lie I'm not sorry at all not even a little bit Sometimes I remind people, I'm like, especially like, and when I say people, I mean men who hate me, that if you want to blame anyone, they should blame my boyfriend because he encouraged me to post in the first place. Like, he was like, why don't you try that? And I was, you know, I'm going to be 28. So like in TikTok years, a bitch when I tell them how old I am, you would think I said 65. Because they're like, are you going to retire soon?

I'm like, I'm not even 30 yet. Girl, like, what do you mean, retire? I can't even spell that word. Every time I tell them, they're like, oh, my God, it's like that clip of Kevin Hart where he's like, damn. Damn. Yeah, it's a Don Cheadle. No, yeah, I feel that. I'm 27, so I feel that as well. Yeah. Like, in the music industry as well. And I have been doing this for a while. Yeah. So it's like, people would be like, oh, my gosh, I thought you were like, 23. Wow, you're 27. Jesus.

I'm just like, it's not that old, you guys. The way they look at me like I'm so geriatric is insane. And honestly, annoying. Yes. I'm like, you're 15, okay? Of course you're going to think I'm an old man. Yeah, but it's so interesting to think about because I remember being 15 and thinking that 30 was so old. And then like now. And I don't want them to make me feel that way.

No, I'm like, actually, you're lame because you're 15. Like, you'll get older, loser. I was talking to one of my buddies recently. Well, he's my brother-in-law. He's my boyfriend's brother. And he's 22. like just turned 22. He was basically telling us that he was going to a party

and he was bringing a dish, right? And my boyfriend was like, what fucking party you're going to where you have to bring a dish? Like you're 22. Yeah, well, he's like, you're 22 years old. Like, what party are you bringing food to? And he was like, oh, well, it's just like my buddy's having barbecue, whatever. Oh, cute.

And we were like, okay, that's cool. And then I was telling him, I'm like, man, when I was 22 years old, like, it's so much better because you think, like, I'm never going to die when you're like in your early 20s. And then when you get closer to third, I was like, I'm so much happier now because I'm like financially stable. Yeah.

And like sure of who I am. Yeah. When I was in my early 20s, I broke and fucking just soaking wet for no reason. Yeah. What's going on? Down bad. It's like really, I'm like, you had no idea. You have no money, but your alcohol tolerance is at an all time high.

And that's like the only thing that keeps you from realizing that you have no money. Yeah. It was the best of times and the worst of times. It really was. And that's why I said, you know what? Like when TikTok people look at me like I'm a million years old, I'm like, that's okay. It's fine. It's so much better up here.

I promise when you get older, it's way better. And I think that like just as we get older, like this little aged filter that's on TikTok, and people are like, oh my God, it looks so terrible. I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't wait to be somebody's grandma. I cannot wait. I oftentimes have said, like, I want to be a mom, yeah, but like I really want to be a grandma. Oh, that's so sweet. Can I just skip that part?

Just skip. We'll skip, yeah. Skips the next stage. That's easy. Easy peasy. I know. I've seen that age filter too. I'm like, that doesn't really bother me.

Well, first of all, like my mom's here and she looks 15. So I'm hoping that the age is. Betty. I'm hoping the skin stays with me. Yeah. I don't care about wrinkles. I just would like to be like healthy and able for the most part. Which I feel like that's a personal decision.

Like if you decide to be healthy and able, then you're going to do that. Yeah. People are just like, oh my God, I look terrible. I'm going to get Botoxin. Just like, just live your life. You don't even know what you're actually going to look like at 60. Or if you're ever going to live till 60. You know what I mean?

That's what I'm like, that's not worth worrying about. I got too many things going on. I got too many men, I got to fuck up. You know what I mean? Don't have time to think about what I'm going to look like in 50 years. Just vibe, man. I'm busy. I'm busy terrorizing men on the internet.

I love that. Okay, so on to the topic for today. What we're talking about is representation. in the hip-hop industry. Obviously, as we already discussed, Baby Tay has been around for a minute, and we've talked about how, like, the music industry has kind of, like, shifted in a way

that I don't think anyone predicted. Yeah. But, like, I already said, I'm happy that you're, like, leaning into it as opposed to, like, getting, like, freaked out by it. How it's, like, kind of changed how you work when it comes to marketing your music or, like, trying to find a bigger or different audience.

So I think, also, too, as, like, a female rapper, that is like a whole different lane and a whole different like male dominated industry. So like have you seen anything change as far as like female representation in hip hop or have you seen it like get better or move forward or what do you think? I think it's so beautiful.

I've been saying for like a long time I think since I really first started making music that there was like this renaissance of female rappers and of just women artists in general. But it's just very, it feels like a blessing to be a part of it, you know? Because when I started, I think, really getting my name out there, because I started putting music out in about, like, 2015,

and started, like, really kind of getting my foot a little bit damp in, like, 2018. And I remember being at, like, South by Southwest and seeing, like, Megan the Stallion do Fader for and, like, meeting Queen Key and Malibu Mitch. and just seeing all of these people and being like, wow, this is just so beautiful. And I feel like since then, and I really feel like since the beginning of hip hop,

like women have always been really, like, represented. But I feel like right now there's just like so many different, because of, I think, social media and things like that, too. There's just so many different representations that you can see. Like, you can hear a city girl, you can see a baby's hate. you can see an iced spice, you know, and these are all different perspectives and all different body shapes and types and skin colors and everything. So just it's really dope to be a part of.

And I feel like it's very inspiring. I know if I was a young girl, if I was maybe, you know, back when I was 2018, we don't need to say how old I was. But back in that time, I think I might have been like super inspired right now. Yeah. Because it's just like, you know what, I'm going to go and do that. I'm going to try it. Yeah, I actually saw recently.

I think it was like a month ago. I saw a compilation, someone had stitched together a bunch of TikToks of female rappers that have been like dropping like new viral songs. Like you were one of them. The Flyanna boss girls were in there. Callie was in there. Ice Spice was in there. All of whom have like used TikTok to really like mobilize like a new audience and a, in a whole new lane for like music and the way it's consumed and marketed.

And I saw someone did like a compilation of all of you. And they were like the rap girls are having fun again. And I love that. Like they're outside and they're having fun. And that's like it's just like the city girls. When the city girls came out and really like started going mainstream, it's just like it's fun. It's fun music. It's like something for the girls.

Girls just want to have fun at the end of the day. That's where the blonde comes in. Exactly. I'm outside having more fun. but yeah I just feel like I've for a very long time anytime anyone asks me so what's like one word to describe your music it's always fun because I just you know I want to have fun I want to be a little silly you know I love to be silly silly goofy mood in the music sometimes but you know always like really feeling good but yeah I like to not take myself too seriously sometimes and just live life you only got one yeah and it's it's a way to like the way that you and other artists, like all those other wonderful women, are all expressing different feelings from the female perspective. It's just like whether it's about relationships, about sex, about confidence, whatever it is,

you get to express it in a way that's fun and flirty and silly and just like, it's just like it. You know what I mean? Like it's so fun. I fucking love it. It's so much fun. And I admire people like you for like. Not only being here, obviously being in the industry, but also like studying the course, like staying the path and kind of staying true to what it is you want to make.

Yeah. Because I think it's easy, like, especially when you start building an audience to kind of conform in a way that's like or feel pressured to conform. Like you're like, I got to kind of fit in these parameters. Otherwise, people may not want to work with me or listen to my music. Yeah. I think I've definitely felt those pressures though. Mm-hmm.

But, you know, I think as I grow and as I get older, I'm kind of allowing myself to release myself from the parameters that I put on me. Because no one else actually puts these parameters on you. Yeah, it's kind of like a mental thing. Yeah. Like, oh my God, I have to do this. And it's like, no, you don't. Actually, you can do whatever the fuck you want.

So, yeah, I'm really grateful to even have people still, this is like my seventh year putting music out. I'm grateful to even have people that still are checking for it and like actively wanting new music. Yeah. So it feels, I feel very blessed because not many people, I won't say that, but not everyone can say like, yeah, I've been making music and putting it out professionally for seven years and it's just been growing this whole time. Yeah, especially in the music industry, which is like, it's just a revolving door. It's turning all the time.

So I'm so fucking excited that people are just as excited about you as I am. Period. We love that. Okay, so on the topic of representation, for those of you who don't know, what we do here on the comment section is we bring videos that I was tagged. in that are applicable to our topic today. So we're going to talk about some of those videos with Tate. This first one, I just give a little summaries. It says, a man is recording a video of himself with the caption.

How the fuck isn't misogynistic to think that men make better rap music when it's literally the truth? Love that. Any thoughts? Any initial thoughts? I love that. I'm literally almost at a point of tears. I'm crying, laughing internally.

Men are so fucking dumb. Men who say shit like that are stupid. Not smart. But that's just a lie. Hey, that's a lie. It's just not true. Unfortunately, you know, no disrespect.

Everybody that's out there making music, you keep going, you keep doing you. You know what I'm saying? But the girls are eating. They are. The girls are eating down. And frankly, they're eating. eating the bitches up, frankly. Very bad.

Like, there's nothing left on the plate for you guys. I'm so sorry. Sorry. Men, you should have fixed yourself a plate because the girls, they ate all the food up. Yeah, so that's just not true. It isn't. And also, it's very, I mean, it's very subjective, right? Like, art is subjective.

So not everyone is going to like the same things. That's fine. But to, like, blanket statement, say that all men are better rappers than all. women. It's just simply, like, the most untrue thing I've ever heard about hip-hop. Yeah, it's not the case. That's not the case at all, literally all. Especially right now. Like, especially right now of all times. You might have been able to say that like, I don't know, maybe 20 years ago. You mean before they allowed women in the space? Right about that time? Yeah. Around then. Yeah. When there's only men, then yeah, men are the best at it. Yes. But now, no. Yeah. That's not true.

true at all. And I also think to, I mean, obviously that speaks to a larger issue, which is just like you hate women and that's why you're like, like, everything women like and do is stupid. You hate it. It's just like, that's why I said deep into that way. Do you hate that? Do you want to do it? I think. They want his work. Listen, and I'm not stopping you. I think you should. Go ahead. I encourage you. I encourage you to do so. That's what when they say, when they say things like, They see music like yours or, you know, like the city girls or like Ice Spice or whatever. And because it's fun and upbeat, and there's like silly bars in there. Yeah. They're like, well, this isn't real music. And I'm like, okay, well, 21 Savage once wrapped, I know your mama taught you to look both ways before crossing me. That's silly and a bar. It's silly.

It's a bar. What I said? Silly and a bar. We love to have fun. Yeah. I said, but then when it's a woman saying a silly-ass bar, you're like, stupid. That's dumb. That's not music. That's not,

come on, like, what are the odds? Put your panties out of your booty. It's hurting up there, I bet. You're chafing, babe. Take out the wedgy. And also, if you remove yourself even further,

what are the odds that, like, some random dude who just is, like, scrolling on TikTok knows more about rap than you do? What are the odds? Pretty fucking low, probably. Probably low, yeah. Probably low.

There are some out there. There are some. exist because so do unicorns. But I would say the odds are low. Yeah, they're very, very, very low in fact. Like someone who does it for a living versus someone who criticizes for free? I don't know. Can't relate.

Sounds like unemployed behavior to me personally. But what do I know? Y'i. Okay, so some of the comments on this, this one says, for real, all they talk about is sex and their bars aren't even that good. plus with their annoying voice, it just sounds trash. Man, you're right. No rapper ever talked about sex before women came in the industry.

Ever, ever. Literally as soon as Roxanne Chante came out, pussy was being popped. All of a sudden. It got vulgar, all of a sudden. All of a sudden, pussy was being popped. Yeah, it's just so limited in thinking. Truly. It's like, it's void, really.

You guys, everybody talks about sex. And thinks about it. How do you think we got here? Somebody talks about it. Okay. That's what I'm saying. The conversations have been being had. Already.

Okay. And I feel like it's, the problem is with men specifically is that now that women have taken our bodies and we are taking control of the narrative of what we are doing with our bodies. Yeah. Now they're mad because it's like, no, no, no, no. no, no, no. I wanted to hear a man say, I was fucking this bitchy. Yeah, yeah. I want to hear how about how men disrespect women. I don't want to hear women enjoying it. That you were popping your own pussy. Yeah. I wanted to hear him say that he popped your pussy. Yeah, I always say,

I always say, too, that it's like the thing they hate most about stuff like that is that it's consensual. They don't, they don't like that women are autonomous in that decision. Like, they're like, I love my body and I love to have sex and I'm going to talk about it. They hate that part because it gives them power. And if they don't hold sexual power over you, like, what power do they have none? That's how they see it. And so, like, even like if you think about that, like, ties perfectly to the reaction to

WAP when WAP came out, obviously. Great song. Also, the year it came out, my most played song in the year on Spotify, number one on my rap. Don't care at all. I'm so proud of that, actually. And that's like... When Megan said,

I'm going to me swalleming me I almost jumped out of my skin When she said switch my weave Make him feel like he cheating Uh oh Wow Uh oh write it down at script her That's what I'm saying

You know what I mean And then you compare You compare that song To the song Slut Me Out by Annalie Chapa Hey what's the difference Mendo rap around about sex Meanwhile he has a bar that says

Suck on this dick like you ugly Uh oh What doesn't even mean I feel like ugly bitches is pretty bitches both suck dick the same. Like, what does that mean? You want the dick sucked or not? You know what I mean?

What the hell? No, period. Yeah. That's what's the difference? There's no difference. There's just one of them doesn't have a coochie. That's it. That's it.

I'm like, you guys have a problem with something that you wish you were having. That's why. Involuntarily celibate, that's why. This next one says, female rappers would be so much better if they wrapped about actual topics rather than their bodies. Is a body not a topic? I don't know. According to this master of rap, apparently, it is not.

Well. If they wrapped out actual topic, like what, the weather? Want to rap about climate change? What do you fucking are you talking about? Probably, yes. Oh, his username is God. That's God. Can you believe God wrote that?

God, I thought you fucked with me. Wait, hold on. He's like, fuck world hunger. I need to talk about female rappers. Yeah. That topic is much more pressing. I don't, it's just, why is there so much expected of us? You don't expect all of this from male rappers.

Of course not. I don't see this type of discourse happening. Why do you expect so much of us? Why do we have to be the superheroes and the strong female lead? Like, why can't we just have a pussy if we want? Literally. If you don't want to pop your pussy, you don't have to, but why can't you do it if you want? Well, because you're, you identify as a woman, so you need to be an educational rapper.

You need to be like Miss Rachel and just only talk about things that help babies. Not Miss Rachel. You need to rap like Miss Rachel. Like, you need to be like blithy and just rap about things that help grow their little brains. Like Peppa Pig, literally. Rap about actual topics. Doesn't make this sound like a song called Anxiety? Yes.

Yeah, she talks about her anxiety and her. fears for the future. Yeah. Yeah, eat that God. Look it up, God. There are songs, I think, in pretty much every woman rapper's catalog that is going to be probably the deepest song you've ever heard in your life. Yeah. But people don't want to go out and search for that. Of course not. So they just feel like, you don't make this type of music. It's like, actually, there are one, two, three, five of the 20 songs that are on this album are super, super deep. You might even cry, listening to it. But no, you just listen to the single. Yeah.

Exactly. I was just about to say. I'm like, you just listen to like the 10 second clip you hear on TikTok and you don't actually go look at their discography. So you have no real idea at all. If they rap about real things, like you have no idea. Yeah. And also real thing.

No, they have no idea and no desire to like even see female rappers as real people. Actually. You're just like limited to this. Or professionals. Yeah. Like you're just limited to this bar about cooch. And you're going to die that way. I'm going to make sure of it.

It's going to be written on your tombstone. All she talked about was cooch. I hope so. I hope that's on mine. This last comment says anything that goes against what they want or like is misogynistic to them. They ate. And you're right. They ate.

Yeah, that's true. Most times that means like general disrespect. So yeah, that's misogynistic. I don't like that. I think I had a guy literally tell me like, he's like, oh, you're so, I forget what I had written. I think it's because earlier this year, I hosted stuff for the Oscars.

And then when it was like announced, there were obviously men who were like, why the fuck is a TikTok there? I'm like, well, all your faves are there. And I was like, because I'm better than you. That's why. I'm more talented than you. That's why.

Just in case, write it down. So you don't forget next time. And when we, they were like, well, I think it's like really hypocritical of you because you say, you don't respect men and you expect them to respect you. I'm like, I don't respect misogynist and that it includes you. Right. And that's okay. You're right. I don't like you and I don't respect you.

That's okay. And that's what we can stand with it. And that's it. I have no problem saying that out loud. No. That's what we can say. The problem is most men who are misogynistic have a problem admitting it, like saying it out loud. And calling them misogynistic.

Ooh, that's a button. Oh, girl. Oh, M.G. It's such a buzzword to them. Like, they get, what? I go out my ex that one time. Really? He punched a hole in the wall.

T. Yeah. And that was supposed to prove to you that he wasn't? Great job. Hey, you're right. You proved me wrong. But destroying property, that proved me wrong. Yikes.

That's crazy. Yeah, I would hope so. She's Louise. Yeah. men who that's such a buzzword to them to men who are massaginistic it's like such a like what do you mean I came out of a woman that doesn't mean anything what do you mean I'm not racist I love black girl I have three black friends okay I once had a guy tell me that like he's like I'm not race because he was being racist and he's like I'm not racist at all he's like do you know how many people how many

I could tell you exactly how many black people I have in my life. And do you think that makes me racist? And I go, well, considering you're keeping a tally, yeah. No, like, because I don't know how many black people are in my life. I could not tell you. You. That's why I'm like, considering you know an exact number, yeah, I would go ahead and say, yeah, you're probably pretty racist. Yeah, probably.

There's John. He's like, I literally wrote it down the other day. I know three. Yeah. Exactly. Jokes on you. He's like. And you thought.

huh? I bet you thought I'd never met a black person. He really he really got me. He ate you up. Okay, this next video is a group of guys recording a podcast and they're discussing already. Immediately, full stop, burn it. Immediately. They're discussing how Nikki Minaj is overrated in terms of being considered a quote, hip-hop

legend. Their argument is that she's better at pop than rap. whenever you ever heard Nikki Minaj sing a pop song she does have good pop songs she has pop songs but has she ever sang? Yes

she has come on don't make me start She riffs she riffs I know she riffs But I'm saying when I think sing I'm thinking like Ariana Grande sing Beyonce sing Well yeah but she be singing grand piano

You heard this song? Oh that is true You're right you're right you're right That is true But she's known for her rapping Absolutely, but the thing about it is, I think it's something that artists like myself also, Doja Cat also deal with, is like, why can you not just accept that this artist is multifaceted? Truly. Like, if she wants to do pop, she could do pop. If she wants to do rap, she can do rap.

And she's going to do both amazingly. You shouldn't be sitting here like, oh, she's not that great because she's better at this than that. If you like that better, then that's fine for you to like that. that better. Yeah. But you can't take away from the legendaryness. That's true. That is very true.

You can't take that away. Also, like, even like the world's, like, best male rappers. Yeah. They all are very, like, they dabble in both. Yeah. Like, I mean, you could say that someone, I mean, like the weekend sings, right? But he can also, like, sometimes he can spit a bar, but he can also sing. Right.

And then you have, you know, you have. people like Drake is a good one, black is a good one. Yeah. Those are all people that can do both. So you're never measuring them against each other because they're two very different things. Like they're two different genres. It's like apples and oranges. I feel like you can't compare them because they're two different genres.

You could compare it with their raps alongside each other or their pop songs alongside each other. I think that a lot of people, they just confuse like opinions with facts. And it's like, you don't have to like that. you might not even like that genre of music. Yeah. I'm trying to think of like an artist that makes country music and also other types. I don't listen to country music that often.

It's not ringing a bell. I'm also the wrong person. It's not ringing a bell. But like, you know, if you don't like that country music, that's okay for you to not like country music. But you can't say like, oh, they're not really that fire just because you don't like country music. Yeah, exactly. Again, it's art. It's subjective.

Yeah. So, and also to say that she's. much better at pop when her rap songs are like literally insane like huge like crazy huge like like her verse on monster for example some of the best bars of all time that's what i mean and like she wasn't even like where she's at now when she was on that song when she was put on that song so to say that oh her pop songs are better she's not a rap legend i'm like and who the fuck are you a hater yeah born and bread that's what it is and people are going to hate and hate and hate if they hate on one of the greatest female rappers to ever do it.

They're going to continue to hate on every female rapper. Like literally. Afterwards. So it's something that's very unfortunate that we have to deal with. But that's just how men, and I think just like small-minded men. Because I think any man that's like secure in himself and like secure in the fact that women are amazing is going to see that awesome woman doing some awesome shit and be like, that's great. I have nothing else to say. And be not, not be threatened by it.

No. Be so threatened by something that you can't even do. Because why are you madman with podcast? That's what I'm like, can you rap? Can you rap or sing? Can you pop or rap? Yeah, I was like, go ahead and spit me a few bars. Can you rap or pop?

Go ahead and spend me a few bars and then I'll tell you if I think you have the right. Sing a little ditty. Yeah, I'll tell you if I think you have the right to deem anyone a hip-hop legend or not. I think that should be a new show. Oh, that's a great idea. hip-hop critics to come in like American Idol style, they have to spit some bars. That's a great idea. And just be like, that wasn't it?

Yeah. They're like, no. No. Actually, no. No. Terrible. The comments on this are like just as terrible, but this one says, that's all she's been doing for years is jumping on everybody else's shit. You noticed she never released singles with just her on it.

Huh? I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true, Beth. It's not true. I just hate the lies. She's been in the game for like over 10 years. I'm just, I find it really hard to believe she's never dropped a single just by herself. I find that really hard to believe.

The lies, the lies, the stories, the fairy tales and the fallacy. They will continue to make up about female rappers. It's just disgusting. It really is. Leave us alone. Honestly, please. I literally like went on Spotify and looked up. I'm screaming.

I'm fucking singles. Like I want to be seen. There are a lot. There are literally like dozens. But her number three one is starships. There's nobody on there. Beauty and a B. Super freaky girl.

All of those are singles, babe. Singles with nobody else on them. Eat a dick. Okay, next comment. Let's go to the beach. Let's go get away. Let's go get away. Wow.

Like, I want to do that every day. Yeah. She said salt all around that rim, Rim-rim-rim-Tray. Yeah. Poetry. No, for real. This next comment says, the thing about her rise is that she literally have any competition.

I think he's saying she didn't have any competition. She was running unopposed for years. I mean, I think that. I'm trying to think in the time frame. What the truth of the matter is is Nikki Minaj is one of the greatest rappers to ever exist. So I feel like. when people say competition it's like why do we even want

competition? Why does there even have to be competition? Well there's more than enough room for male rappers. Like there's a million and one. Yeah. But there can only be one. Too many, honestly of the male rappers. But for women, it's like there can only be one.

There was no competition. It's like there were a lot actually. A lot of very, very successful women rappers thriving. Yeah. So it's like also the revisionist history is a bit like it's a real cherry pick like they pick and choose which ones they like it's it's just so annoying I can't imagine how exhausted she must be no literally also I think to say that is to assume that she was the first like legendary female rapper yeah to come up and

that's simply not true she's like she's one of the most famous and legendary in the like 21st century but she was not the first like female rapper to like really yeah come into the space and and changed the game. She was not the first. So to say that, like, she's just been so unopposed. But it's just not true. Like, she was just the biggest at her rise. Like, she was the biggest.

Yes. Yeah. And this last comment says, she stole her image from Lil Kim. She doesn't have any classics. We'll see, that doesn't make any sense. See, that also, like, I feel like that also lends towards the idea

that there can only ever be one. Like with women, when women are in a male-dominated industry, they do everything they can to turn them against each other. Absolutely. It's sick. It's truly the patriarchy is hard at work, always trying to make them believe that there can only ever be enough space for one. Yeah. Which is a lie, right? And also, like, it's a tactic to undercut us because if we're all attacking each other, then we're never going to focus on the true enemy.

The man. Yeah. I think it's very sad that these narratives have just continued to go on throughout just female rap in a general sense. Like, oh, you copied this and you copied that and do, da, da, da. Yeah. Men copy each other every fucking day. All the time. Literally from head to toe.

Yeah. From the pinky to the pinky. Yeah. And no one says anything. No one cares because I feel like men are allowed to be like. I don't know, like brotherly and nobody like bats and I. Yeah. But for women, it's like, oh, you copied this, you copied that.

And it's like, actually, what if we just have the same influences? Yeah. What if we just like the same things? Yeah. What if we're similar? What if we looked at the same Pinterest board? I don't know. You know what I'm saying?

It's like there's a lot of factors. There are a lot of things. And I feel like people so often get so caught up in like aesthetic and stuff. But like we're all different people. Yeah. And to boil us down to. things such as so simple as like looks like yeah there's only so many ways a human being can look yeah when it's really thinking about it and culture in general is derivative right so like art is

derivative so you are inspired by what you see and you when you want to express or create art a lot of times there is influence within it that could be similar to something else that always exists does that mean that someone is ripping off a bit no because by that measure like Like, if you were to change the industry and you're talking about female comics, right? Like, and male comics. Male comics all have the same shit, like, for the most part, like, awful male comics all have offensive jokes and that's like their thing. Right. Female comics come into the space and they start doing different kinds of jokes and they're like, oh, well, you guys are so similar because you both talk about having a pussy.

Well, see, that's not the same thing, is it? Like, we both rap about popping pussy. That doesn't mean that it's exactly the same song. There is coming from two different brains. Yeah. And expressed in two different ways. Two different voices. Timbers of voice, tones.

Yeah. And flow is so different too for every huge female rapper like yourself. The flow is so different for each one. So like to say that they're all the fucking same is like what you said, you got to apply that then to men too. Because by that measure, they're all the same too. Everybody's the same. Yeah. Like all them are exactly the same.

They're all copying each other. We are all one. I always think, too, that if it's like, if it's up to men, they're going to hate on women no matter what. Yeah. No matter what you want to do. If you. Deathbed. Yeah, you could be complete.

I always joke. I compare it to like my friend Emily Mariko who like blew up on TikTok and she's like a. Doing the salmon stuff. The salmon girl. Mm-hmm. Samable. Miss Samma Bowles. She just got married.

Congrats, Emily. But her videos. Like, I always compare this to her. I'm like, she doesn't talk in her. her videos ever like literally she her first like hundred videos she never said a word i just realized she got non-stop hate for not talking no just in general like people are like i don't know i just don't like her so my point is and like i talk not feeling her vibe i like yeah her vibes are all i always knew i didn't like her it's like stupid shit like that and then for for me i like actively go and attack men and they they

they obviously send me hate because i'm asking for it in that sense like i'm inviting the smoke to my fucking door. She's not. She's fucking off and minding her business. She's making her salmon bowls. And she's not bothering anybody. And you guys still have something to say about her. So that's why I tell people, you do whatever the fuck you want.

Women and femmes and anyone in between, do whatever the fuck you want. Because at the end of the day, they're going to complain no matter what. So you might as well make money off of it. You might as well use it to your advantage. Yeah. Literally, we have one life to live, or at least one life that will remember. and while you're here, you need to be living for you.

Period. Not for random man in but fuck Idaho that will never see you in real life and will never say the things that he's saying to you online in real life. That's really be the gag for me. You would never say this to my face. Ever, you would see me and start shaking

in your motherfucking boobs. Hissing on yourself. You would never say that to me. Are you kidding? Those people would never say that to me. say that to Nicki Nage. I know that's what I'm saying. Like what? I sure as fuck wouldn't.

I'll tell you that much. Look. I don't want to know what comes after that. No fucking way, man. People get so bold on the internet and it's just like, just shut up. That's one thing I've really learned on the internet. Even myself. Just shut up.

Sometimes you just got to shut the fuck up. And that's okay. Yeah. And that's a superpower I wish more people used. Truly, honestly. We all have the ability and some of you don't use it enough. Maybe I should shut the fuck up forever. Entertain it.

Maybe you should let it apply to yourself, honestly. Maybe. Just think about it. Consider it. Yeah. Mull it over. Do you get a lot of hate? Do you have to get hate? Yes.

On TikTok and stuff? Yeah. Yeah. Is it mostly on TikTok? It's mostly on Twitter. Really? Oh, Twitter's so bad. I deleted Twitter.

I'm about to. Twitter's so bad. I deleted that app. It's really mean. It's just full of hate. It really is. It is a place full of hate. And I often go looking for it too

Because I'm just nosy and I want to know what people are saying about me And a lot of times it's good things But a lot of times it's like I fucking hate this bitch Fuck maybe tight And I'm just like I didn't do nothing to nobody I didn't do nothing to y'all But people, yeah I do get hate

It's really bad on Twitter You just got to log off Yeah when I when I did that Oscar thing again Like there was a girl that made like a thread about me She didn't tag me but somebody else did Yeah. And it's like, I get it. Like, I get what she does.

And like, I, you know, I do like understand like why it's good. But like, I fucking hate this person. She said that about me. Literally wrote that out on Twitter.com and posted it. And then someone goes, well, I really like her because I think she's funny and she's like doing something that's like for a purpose. And she goes, no, I think she's so funny. And I do think it's important. But I just fucking hate everything else about her.

That's what she wrote out. And then I go, you. You don't know anything else about me outside of like my online persona. Like me being a fucking clown online is literally all you know about me. Yeah. So to say, I just hate everything else. What's everything else? Please do tell.

Elaborate and quickly. Thank you so much. Yeah. It's really sad that what the internet has done to people's minds. Yeah. Just like kind of having these parisocial relationships with people that they, don't know. Yeah.

Whether it's a hateful one or a loving one. Yeah. Like I really enjoy being able to be in contact with my fans and my supporters online. So like that's why I'm always on live or like, you know, just being really interactive. But sometimes it gets a bit scary because it's like, wait. I'm feeling uncomfortable. You don't actually know me like that. I've talked about that too a lot.

I get that question. much from my fans though it's normally like from the haters yeah same the haters oh they be on me they be all over me oh my god like white on rice they're very persistent yeah they're consistent yes with me I feel like it's 98% men and then there's like 2% women in there and those women every time they write hate to me and it's like on some fuck shit I always like write back I hope the man you're hoping sees this, seize it, and he calls you. I hope he does. Peace and love, girl. I hope you get that number. Did you get the guy? Did you get the job? The one that you wanted so desperately. Yeah. I hope he sees this, babe. I hope he does. Because some women, some women literally come into my

comment section to, like, be awful. And they, for some reason, think I'm never going to see it. I don't know why that is. Or they'll be like, why even, like, if it's men, they're like, why do you even waste your time responding to me because clearly you care and I'm like... But it's like, you cared enough to leave the comment. Why can I not care enough to see the comment and have a reaction to it? Am I not human like you?

Especially me, because that's my whole platform. You know. Like my platform is you're walking into my den and literally poking me and you're scared. I ripped your arm off. You can't believe it because you wandered into my enclosure and I attacked you. Sounds like a you problem.

So I was like, this is my whole brand. You bothering people like Tate, like if she responds to you, obviously you could be like, oh, I didn't think she was going to see this, right? But with me, I'm... They shouldn't think that. I see everything. I see everything. I see everything and I save everything, too, because I'm a Virgo to my core. So I received keep like crazy.

I used to do that. But I think ever since I've deleted Twitter, my life has been much more peaceful. If anyone is out there, like, just like, so much distress in your life, try deleting Twitter or X. whatever it's called now. Try deleting it just for a little while even and see how your life feels. You know what? I might take your advice roll. Yeah, I was definitely clapping back at anyone who said anything for a while.

And it's just exhausting. It's so tiring, having to explain yourself. Over and over again. Yeah, to people that are dedicated to misunderstanding you. So it's like, I am talking to a brick wall. And it's a waste of my time. I'm sitting on these bricks right now. That's why I said.

I'm just going to tell you to suck my wiener and that's pretty much where it ends. That's what I'm going to do. I'm telling you to eat my ass. Eat my ass. Kiss my toe. And put your lips on the peak. Swiftly.

Efficiently. Quickly. I think that's the best way to handle stuff like that, honestly. And suck it like you ugly. Suck on the stick like you ugly. Literally. They wish, honestly. The irony of that insult is that it's

literally that would be a gift. Yes. It would. I have told people like, shut the fuck up, eat my ass. And they're like, oh my God, when? Okay. You're gross. Never.

You made it weird. You could never. We had a context and you took it away. So no. Blot. Never mind. Literally, never mind. Get the fuck out of my face.

Off her taken back. Rescended. I know. Sometimes I tell people that and I'm like, and I bet you wish you could, huh? Come on. I don't spend my free time. like harassing women that I'm not attracted to. Yeah.

Me personally, I don't do that. Yeah, because if you don't like it, why are you here? I said, you know why you're here? Because you saw a picture of me or a video of me and it made your pee-p wiggle a little bit. And that's a personal problem you got to take up with you. Yeah. That's between you and God, babe.

That's not, it has nothing to do with me. You and God, the man that commented on that TikTok. There you go. He at, at God and asked him why he did that to you. That's why I said, you're losing to a fight. to your own genetics, you don't need to lose one to me too. Take that dub and go home, then. Yikes.

Okay, so now that we're kind of rounding out the episode, what would you say is your best piece of advice for any young female or femme rapper that's like either currently trying to rise up or trying to get in the game and trying to like make a name for themselves, like, what would you say is your best piece of advice for them? I have so many pieces of advice. I don't think I can pick one, so I'll just pick, like, my favorites. Number one is to know who you are. If you don't know who you are right now, figure that out

before you start putting yourself out into the world. Once you find out who you are, don't, like, budge away from that. Like, grow, obviously, evolve. We should all be evolving as human beings. So obviously you're going to do that as an artist as well. But like don't all of a sudden follow this trend just because like everyone else is doing it. But like that's something that you at your core would never do. And also don't be too thirsty for success.

Like with me, I think I've always been very grateful for my journey, which is why I've been doing this now for seven years. Yeah. And it's just been a constant like uphill climb. It hasn't been something where I'm like, running after like, oh my God, I have to go get signed. Don't rush to get signed. Also, that's a big piece of advice. Just like take the journey as it's going.

Keep moving, obviously. Don't get complacent, but don't be on dick to try to get to the next place. You know what I'm saying? Like, just let things happen naturally. Let it flow and listen to your gut and get a lawyer. That's the best piece of advice. right there too. That's a sound piece of advice, a logistical piece, but very important too. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. I adore you. Thank you for having me. You're the best.

Thank you all for watching this episode. Where can everybody find you? You can find me everywhere at I'm Baby Tate. That is the letter I, the letter M, B-A-B-Y-T-A-T-E. My new music is coming out soon. EP on the way, ow. No single on the way. and yeah we outside having more fun period I love it so much thank you so much for coming on you're a legend I'm happy to know you I can't wait to see

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