The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - CONVERSATIONAL HANDS Ft. Dana Patterson

Episode Date: May 29, 2024

Dana Patterson joins Drew this week to unpack the epidemic of terrible men online who love to critique models. They talk about how Dana first got scouted, the most insane things she’s had to do for modeling gigs, Drew’s childhood beach photoshoot story, weird guys calling Margot Robbie “mid”, and so much more. Drew: https://linktr.ee/drewafualo Dana: IG / TikTok For sponsorships/partnerships, email [e-mail]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah. Everyone and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me, your fave. Everybody knows me. Who cares about me? On to the guest. Today we have the iconic, the legendary Dana Patterson, whoo-woo, who, who, who, who, aka Dana Isabella. Yes, it's me.

Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. Oh, my gosh. I'm so excited to be here. I know. We go way back. We do go way back. We go.

I remember, I love to tell the story about the time that we were in Tocomadera without our shoes on. We forgot about that shit. while in through West Hollywood. No worries. We've ended up with whatever kind of disease through our feet of prayers. You, me, and the energy between us. Yes, very true. At Tokyo Madera.

People stare at us angrily, but, you know, good times. It's what it is. That's what happens when you have me hosted dinner and invite my friends. Yes. Sorry. And it was still the best brand dinner that I've had to this day. So, sorry. It was a good time.

What can I say? If I do say so myself, same. Yes. It was a, it was a, last and a half. That was the first time we made. We met in person. Yes, that was the first time we met in person. Yeah, but we've been online friends for a minute.

Oh, yes, for such a long time. Long time. You're an icon of legend. You've been in the game a while. It has been a minute. Yeah. I am an OG. We're getting close to the 15-year mark, which frightens me slightly.

Damn, that's crazy. Yes. 15 years. Time flies. Granted, I started very young, but yes, time flies. That's true. When you have trauma. So here I am.

Yeah. No worries. I know your lore, but I would love for everyone else to know how you got. Obviously, Dana is a beautiful model for those wondering. She's much more than just an influence. like me, I'm just a dickhead on the internet. Shut the fuck up, I can't. But Dana is actually a real life model.

So I would love for you to tell everyone your lore how you got into modeling how it all started. So I actually got scouted when I was 18. Love. And like freshly 18, I thought it was a joke. Because the person who scouted me, God love her and her sisters and I have made peace to this point. But her sisters did bully me in elementary school. So I thought it was a joke. I was like, oh no, this is just another way to be mean to me.

Oh, shit. It's coming later. Like post elementary school, like they're ready to retromanical. me. But it was true. Ford Models was indeed scouting me. So that's kind of how I got it started. Did they just find you online or did you go to like casting calls? So no. So basically Lucy, who was the older sister of the people who didn't deeply me and it's why I'm funny. So it's okay. But she was a model at the time at Ford and also working as a scout for them and saw me on Facebook giving away my age here. Okay on Facebook. And she was like, have you ever thought about

modeling? And I for sure thought it was a joke. I was like, no. Were you just like existing normally? I was just existing normally just posting, like posting, you know, selfies with my friends on a digicam before they became cool again. It's like the original digicam moments. I know. But yeah, she was asking me if I'd ever thought about modeling. I was like absolutely not, especially because plus size modeling wasn't really a cool thing then. Especially then, yeah.

Yeah, we only had like Lane Bryant and that was it. Like I think Torit came later. Like we really just did not have a lot of options. So I was like, okay, sure. And even then, Lane Bryant at the time was very older woman. It was giving like gray mu-moo for, right? Saturday, Sunday, every day. It was very wine o'clock.

Oh, yeah, it was very live, laugh, love, very horrific times. So me as an 18-year-old in like plus-size clothes like that definitely wasn't slaying the boots house down for the people. But I was excited nonetheless. So I started off in New York and then I moved to L.A. I signed with Willamina. And then I kind of, yes. And then I signed with L.A. models later on as their first ever plus-size model on their

main board, which is really exciting. And that's kind of how I got started. And then I started talking about my trauma online and now here we are. And the rest is rock and roll history. Talking about my eating disorder, talking about, you know, kind of my experience as a plus-sized person in the fashion industry, my experience with modeling. Totally. People just flocked to me from there, you know, no worries.

And then I talked about beauty and kind of all the things that I learned on set from such amazing artists. Totally. So now I share all that knowledge. Yeah, because Dana is literally like an encyclopedia, like a skincare hair beauty. I feel like I'm, yes, like the aqua-walo. Women in STEM. Between you and I, between Adam and I, like, we know the beauty thing.

face. It's like, hey, this girl on TikTok told me to put glycolycolic acid on my face five days a week. My skin kind of hurts, push a mark. It's like my biggest interest is beauty science. So, yeah, it's a treat. How did you kind of move from more so the modeling into more like beauty related stuff? Like kind of like looking into what's good for your skin, what's not? Like what kind of drew you to that part? It was my struggle with cystic acne. I've always had skin issues my entire life. And so I started to kind of delve deep into what medical database.

is I could look into and find actual data on, you know, clinicals, peer-reviewed studies, on what works, what doesn't, and kind of going from there because I felt like I was getting a lot of personal anecdotal experience, like this works for me, like, you know, the mommy blogs. Especially when influencing became a thing. Yes. Everything was like, this is the best. This cleared my skin.

Like a throwback from my OG YouTube girlies was like Michael Todd. I don't know if you remember Michael Todd. It was like the, this was like the original snail cream that they had and everybody used Michael Todd and the spin brushes. Do you guys remember the trauma from? the spinbrushes. The spin brush, my sister and I were just joking about the vanity planet spin brush. RIP to my skin barrier. Like we, we, it's like a hacksaw, like literally, like it's been so fast and you're like gripping it with bold hands. Scary times and I feel like everybody

had one, loved one was promoting one. But yeah, that's kind of how I got into it was just like my own personal needs. And then I became, you know, the ultimate consultant for every single one of my friends. What I do. Okay. You're at Alta. Call me. Okay. You need to know what to get for your hair. Call me. But yeah. But yeah. that was kind of how I got started and through, I think I had my first ever beauty partnership in 2016 with someone who I'm like still friends with. Love. But yeah, it's, it's been a really fun journey.

I love to be here. That's crazy. I remember you even before I had a platform more specifically for the beauty stuff, but obviously modeling too. Because you were all over Tumblr and Pinterest girl. Oh yeah. What was that like? My first following was on Tumblr.

Really? Yeah. Yes, I'm in therapy. Thank you so much. But yeah, so my first ever following was Tumblr. It was a lawless time over there. Oh, it was a lawless time. Girl, they were wild.

Pain and suffering. But it was honestly fun. It was like the Wild Wild West before the internet was really like, we didn't have any community guidelines, babes. Yeah, like zero, none. People just did whatever. But that was kind of my first ever platform. And people still remember me from that, which is hysterical.

That's how I remember you? That's why I first started seeing you. Oh, my God, I love you. No, that was a really, really good time. But I was just posting like modeling photos. and random, like, moody selfies, you know, was a vibe at the time on Tumblr. Yeah.

But it was seriously so fun in the beginning when we didn't have any, you know, rains to hold us back. But then I moved over to Instagram that became my next platform and then TikTok. Yeah. And yeah, that was kind of the beginning of the lower. Still keeping it going.

Stoke in the fire. Yeah. I'm so curious, especially on the modeling side of things, because obviously you did modeling for a while before you started doing social. Yeah. I'm curious, like, how that journey was as like a plus size model,

especially like a lot of brands and or like agencies first plus size model that they like feature. Oh yeah. I'm curious how that was for you. What was that experience like? Very interesting. Since we didn't have, it was kind of like the early days of social media. And when I first started modeling, we didn't have social media at all. And so we didn't really.

Did you start like print or did you do more? Yes. It was print and commercial. I was like the lifestyle girly. So it's like you saw me in a lot of like lingerie swimsuits like happy girl on the beach. That was me like excited to be here. That's your look is like a beach. girl. Very like just happy.

I wasn't the editorial girl. I wanted to be so bad though. I wanted to like really, you know, serve kind like tarabanks on the America's Mexico model. But it just wasn't handed to me that way. So I did a lot of like Target, American Eagle. That was like my kind of niche and vibe. Yeah. But honestly, I kind of grew up in the industry. So obviously, very traumatizing. Yeah. I can only imagine. You know, ended up honing my humor from that and able to kind of impart my experience onto other people and warn other people and share my experience that way to protect other people.

You know, I experienced a lot of misogyny, of course. God, I really imagine. Because most of the higher ups in fashion are men. They need women, which is strange. Frightening, no worries. There's no women in charge, but they need a lot of them. Exactly. And it definitely felt very predatory in a lot of ways, but I also had great experiences

with clients who I absolutely adored and are still like family to me. Yeah. But you experience so much misogy. and lack of safety and like lack of care for your safety. Yeah. And so that's obviously very scary. So people who I, you know, are talking to me about how they want to become a model or they want their kid to become a model.

I generally run through all of the concerns and things that I've been through. But it was definitely, again, very character building. I say that about a lot of things in my life very, my character's fully filled now. So leave me a lot. Okay? Like stay out of my way. Especially as as a bigger girl, thicker girl, like just being perceived in general is a different life experience in it of itself.

I can only imagine growing up and also being photographed and being like blown up into big pictures and put everywhere. Oh, no question. The least, well, not the least favorite part. Like how much time do I have? But honestly was seeing how photoshopped, the campaign photos will come out. And I'd be like, who is, is that me? Like, is that, is that me?

Did you not see them until after they went? Yeah. So generally, like, you'll get shot and then in a good way with a camera. And then you'll see them just come out. Yeah. Like that's the other thing is that unless now with social media, if you're a model with a platform, generally you'll get the images before they come out.

It used to be that you would just see them when they came out and hope for the best. I hope you didn't look absolutely heinous. Because also at that time, I occasionally get a hair and makeup artist that just made me look absolutely unbridledles. It was giving cloutary. It was giving foundation doesn't match the body.

It was very concerning times. But that was also the hardest part of seeing a person who is you but doesn't even come close to looking like you. So that was definitely like a very hard thing, someone who deals with body dysmorphia and body image issues. And you're like, you hired me because of the way I look. Because of me.

Yeah. And then now you're changing the way I look so I don't look anything like myself. Exactly. Perhaps consider someone else. You know, I don't know. Like pick a different bitch. There are options. There's boards of models everywhere.

So that was definitely one of the harder parts. But it was also so fun to be able to, you know, see your images out in the about. The whole thing would be like, go to the mall and see yourself in the store and take your photo next to it and be really excited about it. So that was like, there was definitely a lot of, incredible parts, but a lot of, a lot of misogyny, just a lot of lacking safety and care, because you're really just a close hanger to a lot of these clients.

Like, they don't really care about you genuinely as a person. Again, things are different now. But you are just another model that comes in and does their job and gets the fuck out. Well, I feel like it's only different now because of people like you, being more open about your experience. Like now that there's more eyes on it, they're like, okay, I guess we can't be fucking awful. Yeah, like they're being watched now. Exactly. So they're kind of like, ah, fuck.

I always say like, exactly. Since we have social media now, we have a voice and we have the ability to speak out. And so I think people act a lot differently in that world. We're like, we're a TikTok story time away for your career ending, okay? So I think that really helps people feel more safe and secure knowing that they can speak out if they need to. But we definitely didn't have that for a long time. But, you know, it's also really hard to have a backbone. And that's something that I've been very proud of that I've kept throughout my career.

And, you know, moments where we didn't have enough POC, you know, on. We didn't have, whether it's behind the scenes or in front of the camera, you know, being concerned about representation. You know, the body stuff is crazy because I also used to wear padding because we, yeah, basically, if you weren't big enough, they would have you wear essentially, like, football padding. So I used to have these, like, chicken cutlets with nipples. Can I say nipples? Yeah, absolutely. So we had, basically, we had these, like, boob inserts with nipples because, like, my boobs wouldn't be too big. My hips wouldn't be wide enough.

They would constantly, like, mess with my size. It was a mind-fuss. Oh, no, exactly. I was like, gosh. Yes, exactly. They put hip pads on you. I literally had to get them from a drag store. Like, it was like literally an online drag store.

They were so kind. You have a chest plate on? Yeah, like, literally, it was a whole situation. So there's so many logistics that go into it that people don't know it is a wild industry. And then, of course, they throw you in a moo-moo. And I'm like, oh, feeling hot, feeling sexy. You're like, yeah, I needed fake tits for this. Exactly.

I'm like, okay, no worries. Like, that makes a lot of sense. But, you know, it was so really fun. I'm very grateful for the experience. And again, like, I love seeing the industry open up to so many new body types, so many people. Absolutely. Because I feel like it's so much easier to become a model now, which I'm so grateful for, because these standards were so rigid when I got started.

Yeah, absolutely. And I'm really grateful that I could be a part of that expansion and a part of that inclusivity. Like, so grateful because that's really why I stayed in the industry for so long. Yeah. You know, obviously, personal benefit you want to work and, you know, be successful. But it was also, like, I want my legacy to be. that I helped open the door for other people. Absolutely.

And help bring other people to the table. So, you know, it's been a good career. It's like good steps in the right direction. Exactly. Right. Exactly. So even if I didn't get to experience the industry in a perfect manner, at least I was able to benefit it and somehow for other people.

Totally. And the comment you made too about the makeup artist is so real. Like, because especially ones that not just have to work with different, like know how to work with different skin tones, but also different face shapes. Like I've worked with some makeup artists before Adam, obviously, that were like, I don't know if they just were used to doing a certain type of face. Oh, girl. But even like I've worked with some that were also minority people, but like my makeup looks not very good.

And it's because I have a very, yeah, I have a very like round face and very like round cheeks. And so if you only know how to do one shape of face, like a very Eurocentric face, then you don't know how to do makeup on every face. So I would hate how I looked. And so I, that's why Adam was like, I was immediately like, yeah, no, I need you like all the time. Yeah. No. No, I need y'all at time. You got to lock them in and like hold them hostage to your basement. Like you're not going anywhere, baby.

Sorry, I need jell at time. Sorry. Yeah, no. It's so real, though. I have had so much bad makeup in my day. For big clients, too, horrifying. Some are beauty brands. Can you fucking believe?

Some of them are, they do makeup for a living girl. So spooky. It is so frightening. I'm like, what's going on here? Yeah. I'm very concerned, having worries. but I've had so much bad makeup it's generally like foundation matching

also the lack of knowledge on how to do different face shapes I too am a round face queen okay we gotta rise we we love it I love my round face but if you put the wrong makeup on me I look fucking nuts I look insane I have cried in a lot of bathrooms like I have shed a tear I would also bring my own makeup which is like against the rules you shouldn't do that

but sometimes it was very necessary okay we were in a dire situation I've done it where I've like wiped off half of it and redid it myself because I just couldn't stand what it looks like I just can't, I can't do it. It's terrifying. And the best thing is, is when they ask you for notes on how you like to do your makeup and then completely ignore. I feel like, hey, why did you ask me?

No. It's like, they're just making conversation. Like they don't give a buck. They're just like, oh my God, like, what do you usually love? Okay, cool, going to ignore all of that. Thank you for letting me know. Like, no worries. And for a long time, I also, again, had cystic acne.

And so people would always make comments about my skin. It was like the most negative comments about my skin. I'd get, like, reported to my agency for my skin looking bad. And I'm like, from brands or clients? So not even the clients that makeup artist. Oh, what? Yeah. So makeup artist would reach out to my agent and let them know that my skin was bad.

I'm like, girl, you think I don't know? I look at my face in the mirror every day. Thank you so much for reminding me. Just like just want to let you know? It was always a problem. Like if your skin was struggling, like it would kind of result in you not being booked as much. That's insane. Oh, no, it's crazy.

I don't know why it's shocking to me. Of course they care about that. But like, yeah. It's still shocking to hear. And it's also hard like because I was like an e-com queen. So I was constantly doing again like the 30 outfits a day. Like weekly. whatever. So it's like my skin wasn't very happy with

makeup put on and off of it that much anyway. Yeah. So it wasn't helping your your skin literally at all. Oh no. It was traumatizing times. I've seen a couple TikTok videos of girls doing like the e-com and they're like, oh yeah, I'm here for like eight hours and they try on like 30, 40 outfits and just keep shooting all day. It's why I now have a bunyan. Bunyan's are us sponsored by my bunyan. Is that from the shoes? It's from the shoes because they would put us in shoes that were

way too small and we'd be in them all day. That's crazy. I have a photo. Girl, the fuck if I know. I know they literally like, today we're gonna torture Dana. Just like put her in the smallest shoes possible. I also have wide flipper feet so that definitely doesn't help. Like I was gifted with the sexiest feet. Okay, feet finder, call me.

But it was just a wild time. Like I have a photo of my feet being so swollen after a day on set. But again, immensely privileged job. Like I'm not out here, you know, doing manual labor. But it has its own way of being hard. You know what? As someone who's done like professional shoots like maybe three or four times in this job, that shit is hard.

is. Because like also on top of it, I can't even imagine because you're doing commercial shooting so they need a different like vibe for each one. You're like moving and jumping and doing the same movements 20 times over and over and over again. And you got out the arm. Yeah, it's got to be. Yeah, they're like, I need better energy. I need I need smiles. I need your eyes wide. Touch your neck, but not too much. Like it's exhausting. Sir, all I've had is some gummy bears in a diet cook today. I get a break. Girl, can I get some water? Nope. No, keep working. But I remember there was one time on set where the photographer, a very well-renowned guy. He told me that I needed to have conversational hands.

Let me know how you would translate. Okay. Whatever that means. Okay. Like I already talked with my hands. Yeah. But I remember I went to the bathroom and I was like, conversational hands, conversational hands. I'm like looking in the mirror.

I'm like conversational hands. Like I was so stressed. Where were you modeling? It was old Navy. Girl, it was old. It was old. Love you, Old Navy. Longtime client of mine.

You know what? When I go into Old Navy, I'm like, that girl has conversational hands if I've ever seen. really hot conversational hands. Watch out. Put two of those jeans for $35 in my car. Period. I'll take them. Exactly.

Exactly. You know, she has great conversational hands. Those leggings look really dark. I'll take 10. Exactly. So that was definitely a wild time. But I've also, the other fun part about modeling is the castings.

Have you ever gone on a casting in your life? Because you're a star probably not. Not a modeling one. People are like direct book, please. Thank you so much. So I used to do castings a lot before I had my platform. Now I'm a direct book early only. Call my agent.

Okay. but I remember going to a casting. Number one, they love to make us dance. Target and Old Navy always made us dance. They'd be like, give us, like, you're dancing with your friends. I was like, I'm gonna KMS. Like, I'm done. Like, I'm literally done.

So you give like, your best, like, white woman dance. You're like, oh my God, like love these leggings. They want to see you, like, celebrating. Yes. Oh, that means what I know. And you would have, like, three seconds to prepare. The secondhand embarrassment that I had, it was first hand embarrassment. They're like, dance.

Dance harder. And you're sitting in front of a group of people, okay? they're all, they're like barely looking up from their phones and you're like doing your dance and they're like taking notes and they'll maybe glance up at you and then they're like, thank you so much and you like leave and want to die. Okay. Is that when they close it out or is that how they start it? No, that's like literally how that you walk in. No one says anything to you. They're like, hi. And then they just like look down at their phones. They're not even paying attention to you. You're doing your best white room dance. You're like, yes. To any music. You're like, they don't even give you music

sometimes. I swear to God, it's like a humiliation king. No. The way I'd walk right back out. Oh no. Hey, modeling's not for me. Just decided. The best part is like your age is. will get mad at you if you didn't stay. So I was like, okay. And as someone with social anxiety, I'm like, this is it. I'm like dripping in sweat. That's the worst thing I've ever heard. So funny, dude. Oh, no. It's, it's insane. The things that I did for that job, like, truly, you had no choice what to get over your anxiety. Yes, Old Navy always made a stance. Target would too. There was one time where they told me that I needed to pretend that I was driving to Joshua Tree with my friends and that we were in the car. And then I would have to get out of the car. I know.

I need a place. I need a place. I literally, no, literally it wasn't, probably. I was like, okay, okay, okay. So I had to pretend to be in a car. I had to, like, get out of said car. And we, they literally just gave us a chair in the middle of the room. They wanted you to, like, mime? Yes, they wanted to, we're driving.

Okay, they're like, you're talking to your friends, and then you get out and you just start dancing with your friends. No music, no car visual, just a chair. Are you in there alone or are there other girls too? Thankfully, it was just me. And then, again, a table of mean people who are staring you down, and barely paying attention because the best part is they barely, look up from their phones.

They're like, dance. They're like, dance. Not like that. Don't dance like that. Dance better. Give us your best like white woman. No, it's, it was wild.

So definitely those times were tough. Those were hard and I had to really like get out of my shelf for a couple of those things. But, you know, it was fun. Now I have great stories. The most extroverted person alive. Yeah.

If they went in for Molly, I would not be expecting to, hey, dance. Yeah. Fucking dance. Yeah, literally. That's how we. They start shooting at your feet. Dance. Yeah.

I'm a dance, bitch. fucking monkey dance. Yes, that's how it feels. The whole industry kind of feels that way. And then you just like leave the room and you see the whole room of people outside and you just nod your head and you leave and hope for the best. You leave and you get a call on your all, you didn't book it. Yeah, it didn't book it.

Shocker. Shocker. Thank you so much. I was just going to say, what's the like weirdest thing you've had to do? The dancing's pretty fucking weird. The dancing would be like probably like top 10 weirdest. Yeah. There was one for Target where I had to do a bunch of really complicated yoga moves,

but thankfully I was really into yoga. at the time. Oh, that's good. Slade it. Slade. So what if it wasn't for yoga? What if it was for business? Can you imagine?

No, exactly. I would have been humiliated. But I'm like, okay, I slayed though. Like, I ate it up. Like, whatever. Booked it. Exactly. But I did book that one.

But I'd say like stuff, the dancing is always the worst. And then the best part too is they'll bring like in a dance instructor. And they're like, all right. Stand here. And then one, two, three. And then they try to teach us the dance before we go in. It's five minutes. Yeah.

I said, girl, I have ADHD. Whatever you told me is gone. It's gone by the time I turn away from you wiped. Yeah, no, it's, it's immediately gone. Don't remember. Thank you so much, though, for that demo. I'm just going to be. Yeah, it truly is.

Like, I'm in the middle of the dance circle, and it's me. It's me and then a bunch of casting directors around me. You're just dugging hard as hell. Oh, no, like really. That's not the dance thing, aren't you? Crank that soldier boy today. I will be performing crank that soldier boy. Thank you so much for coming.

All right. And scene. You start yiking. Yeah, exactly. Hard as fuck. That's really how it feels. That's crazy. But past that it's really fun.

I remember one of my best memories was for American Eagle. They closed down the entire Santa Monica Pier for us. Damn. That was very fun. So we got to ride all the rides for the shoot, but also for fun. Cute. There was no one there. So it was enjoyable.

That's cute. Just to offset the dancing. The dancing. You know? Really high highs and really low lows. Yes. Yeah. So here I am.

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Like, can you bring them to the shoot? And maybe like we can use them in the photo shoot or whatever for the brochure. Yeah. And so I remember we were both supposed to go, but then Dason got in trouble and then got left at home. My sister. Typical shit. And of course I went. Of course I did.

I was like, this is the chance of a lifetime I have to go. So I went and I remember it was me. There was two other girls. So it was three boys, three girls were all around the same age. I think it was like nine or ten. And other than one of the kids was Asian, one of the boys was Asian. I was the only like person of color and like I tan very dark. And when I was a kid, I tanned even darker.

So like I had really long hair at the time too. And so my mom, I remember my mom got me a new outfit like a little beach. I had like a little board shorts, a little like matching tank. top on top. And when they were taking pictures of us, there was a point in which, like, the photographer was, like, always putting me in the shots because we were supposed to, like, alternate, but he was, he was like, this is the only one that looks like she's been to the beach. And he was literally just referencing the fact that I was brown. Like, I don't know if he thought I was a white girl that just tanned a lot, but like, deeply concerning times. Yeah, it was like,

he goes, well, this one only looks like she's actually been to the beach. And I'm on so melanin. Okay. And so he started putting me in all of these, uh, different, like groupings like with the with the boys with two of the girls and like between surfboards and in a rash guard. The token beachy girl. Yeah. It was at Huntington Beach like taking all the pictures. Oh no.

Even not Huntington Beach. Yeah. And they were taking so many pictures of us and like I remember the pictures when they went to print they were like in the buses and also in these little brochures that they gave away in the buses. And when I looked, I was in so many of the pictures that they photoshopped a lot of the pictures of me and made them white girls. like to look like the two girls that were fucking there.

I'm not kidding. There was only one group shot where all three of us were in it along with the three boys. But every other picture of an individual girl was literally me and they just changed the hair color and the skin tone. True. And I was like, that does, who the hell is that when I looked at the brochure? That is horrifying. I know we're like he heeing, but truly inside.

I'm like, this is unacceptable. Truly. And I remember there was one of the white girls that was there. She had a pretty, this is not me being mean, like a. a prominent unibrow. Like she actually had a unibrow. Yeah. Period.

It looks great. Love it. She had a great arch though. Like her eyebrows were great. The girls with the unibrow is a former girl with uterow here. Yeah. Same. Fucking same.

And then I distinctly remember in the shoot he was like the photographer was commenting on it and being mean about it. That's why I was when you said the thing about skin. I'm like they are so blunt and rude. It's not even fucking. They don't care if you can hear. No. They don't care. I don't give a fuck.

And we're kids, mind you. Like we're children literally. And you were technically a child. Yeah, technically a child. It's crazy the comments that they make to you and they think they honestly don't care if it stays with you forever. Nope, not at all. They don't give a flying fuck. Yeah.

But it is insane to me especially because I, when I was at LA models, we had like the kids department right around the corner from like our plus size office. Yeah. And thinking about saying that to like a little kid like that insane. I couldn't even imagine. Yeah. And he was like, and we had no, there was no makeup artist or anything like that. Yeah. Yeah.

It wasn't like a high. Yeah. Yeah. No. And so in all the pictures, they just photoshopped her eyebrows. but they changed all of them. Like she looked like a different person entirely. Sleep with one eye open.

Yeah, because they literally just photoshop her whole entire forehead. Like I don't know how they did that. But I was like, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen. They spent all the budget on post-production of here. Just on editing. No. Just on editing.

Oh, Drew. That is horrific. And I made $50 that day. Period. Queen. Shot for like eight hours. The rates gone up a little bit since then. Yeah, I was going to say I've shot for like eight hours, but $50.

Also child labor. Truly. And also, my mom. was the only mom there. Like everyone else, no one else's parents were there. Like, it's like they just dropped them off. So my mom was the only one there. And so my mom was like,

hey, I think she needs to take a break so I can like get her some food and stuff. And they were like, oh. A beverage, perhaps. Yeah. My mom was like, you guys okay? Do you need water or anything to the other kids? An angel. They were like, oh, you could just leave her.

And she's like, I'm not leaving. Can you imagine? I know. I'm like nine years old. Like be well, enjoy being kidnapped. Yeah. And there was no women on the set on the crew either. So it was just all older men.

and then just my mom. That's always the worst part is that a lot of these sets are just older men. Like you'll walk in thinking that you have like, you know, at least a female makeup artist or like, you know, a stylist or literally like a coordinator. Anyone who's a woman. Zero zilch. And you're like, oh my God, sounds good. Can't wait to get into some, you know, assless underwear.

Yeah, like some intimate. Yeah. Yeah. Like no worry. It's feeling very comfy, very safe. But it's always just an unhinged time and they always say the most ridiculous things to you. And they're like, oh, well, that's just the biz. And it's nature of the biz.

Exactly. They're like, oh, it's fine. A lot of the industry is like, oh, it's fine. Like they've gotten away with so much because people would be like, it's fine. Yeah, like, we've just been like being okay with it for however long. Exactly. So we're not going to change it. I'm curious when you started building the platform, like how did the, when did you start

noticing hate start coming in about like about you being a model or any of your lifestyle content? Oh my gosh. Pretty early on. I'd say probably when I hit like 10, 20, it started to kind of flood in. Yeah. Obviously, mostly men. Yeah.

And it was just wild. And I've talked about this before where it's like as a plus size person, which I'm even on like the privilege scale, like I'm like a smaller plus size body. Yeah. But you are either viewed like in a fetishization way or you're viewed as like a non-human. So it's like people won't even open the door for you. Like people won't even be considerate towards your feelings. Yeah.

So it's either or. Yeah. And so that is like a really horrific. thing to see, especially online, people will treat you like you are not a human being. So, and obviously, you and I both know this very well, but during that period, I'd probably say like really early on. It was my first ever experience with hate too, but I kind of loved it. I kind of ate it up at the time. It got a little overwhelming. Yeah. But at the beginning, I was like, oh, this means I'm catching traction. Yeah. Like as you started getting, as you started getting

bigger than you started being like, I was like, I was like, this is exhausting. Yeah, it is. It got to the point where I was like having my life threatened, you know, people who, yeah, like people, people threatening your life, people threatening my parents' life, my mom's life, like, just because I wouldn't answer their DM or, you know, again, because I was plus size and, like, dared to be alive. So, no worries. That part is just, I'll never understand. It's fucking nuts. I'll never understand. I'll never understand being a fanboy enough to, like, be so obsessed with a woman who doesn't care if you live or die. Sorry. Well, not attitudes only ever directed towards big women, like, whether you're fat plus size or anything in between. Anything other than skinny. Like, that, that,

that hate is only directed at fat women. Like, what about fat men? I know. Like, ramp it up on them. They're like, oh, they're awesome. No, literally. With women, they're like, how dare you? Exactly.

How dare you post pictures of yourself in a bikini? Yeah. It's wrong with you. It's crazy. And I mean, obviously, it's like social conditioning, patriarchy. There's so many different layers to it. But it's wild. Wild to be a woman on the internet.

I think that's why, too, I, as a single woman, I am very cautious about men because I just know too much. You know, the guy who's making a hate comment in my, know beauty video is in my DMs like trying to fucking you know hit yeah and he has a wife and kid yeah being a disgusting disturbing weirdo yeah um i've had that too i'm sure yeah everybody in this room i know we've all experienced it yeah they're wild creepy weirdos oh yeah it's insane that's why i i've always found that like dynamic very interesting how they i've said this before too um especially with dating like when i was single um there are certain men that i'm like that's a man that would

never want to be seen with me in public, but like would like really want to be with me behind closed doors. Oh no question. Like especially for a thicker girl, a taller girl, because you're tall too. Yeah. For especially most women are like average five five. Yes. But like you're tall.

I'm on the taller side too. Yeah. Absolutely. So it's it's just crazy. The whole like, you know, being with you in private and not wanting to in public is also insane because it's really, you know, them kind of bowing down to patriarchy and misogyny and all these, you know, different layers of societal issues. And but yeah, whenever people act like I can't get a date, I'm like, you should see my DMs.

Have a good one. Believe you me. Yeah, I know. I'm like every favorite person you've ever loved. It's not a lack of quantity. It's a lack of quality. I'll tell you that. Exactly.

So, you know, your faves are in my DMs, but that's why I truly don't give a fuck. Yeah, same. Truly. You have to not give a fuck, honestly. No. To exist in this body at all, but especially as someone with a platform or someone who's building. Yes.

Like, there's just absolutely no way you can care. I always tell people, like I take everything as neutral, positive, and negative because none of it can really affect, like, who I am as a person and how I feel about myself. So I try to let, you know, bad comments roll off my back. Good comments are great, but they're still neutral. But the men really try to get at you. I've had guys make negative comments. I'll block them. They'll make a fake profile. They'll make another fake profile. They'll make another one. It's crazy. The dedication is nuts. Imagine, you know, doing that for like a career or something. Maybe putting that energy to a job application. Perhaps a job. I don't know. Crazy.

Apply it to you. Literally anything else. Healing. Literally anything. Yeah, anything else. But that's the perfect transition into our topic, which is insecure men online. You feel entitled to critique the appearance of female models, which has been very prevalent in the last couple of years especially. Oh, yeah.

But I love when they just, they like discover like models from like who have been around for 10 plus years. Like you said, 15 years now. And they're like, has anyone noticed that this woman is not thin? Yeah. They're like, have you seen perhaps? Yeah. No, it's crazy. We all saw it.

And also people who question my credentials or other models credentials. There's like, there's no way this person is a model. And it's also because, you know, beauty standards have changed so much and elevated so much. Totally. But it is like a man from his mom's basement, okay, playing Skyrim or whatever the fuck y'all play. For real. Having some crusty, dusty mac and cheese on your mom's couch, hoping maybe you'll get a career someday. And then meanwhile, you're commenting about how I'm mid.

Sir, get a fucking grip. Men like that, I'm always like, and what would you know about modeling? Yeah, like what would you know about this boss? Like, what would you know? Like, if I was going to seek counsel on like, on modeling and like who's, who's the guy to pick? Like, why would I ask you? It would not be Jonathan on his mom's basement couch. Which I ain't asking you.

No. But they always love to gap. You know what? It makes them feel better. They hate themselves so deeply that they're going to pick someone who they view as attractive because deep down, that's the fucking tea. The line is razor thin. Oh, razor thin.

It's wispy. It's barely there, baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then they like to try to knock them down a notch. And that happens in dating too where you'll date someone who's really excited to be with you. And then all of a sudden wants to take you down a couple of miles because you're a successful model. Oh, yeah. They're like, oh, she might leave me.

So it's a conquest. I got to get rid of that. Yeah, they're like, we got to try to stomp that light out fast. Exactly. So I feel like they're kind of in the same category. Totally. But it's wild to see people comment about like Margot Robbie or like Giselle Bunchin. Don't even get me started.

I'm like, Giselle Bunchin, the most grossing model of all time. Like she's okay, babe. She's on a yoga retreat in Costa Rica, not even thinking about you. I'm like, you don't want to fuck her? I bet it's killing her inside. There's a lie around the world. I bet she wakes up every morning being like, fuck. Concerned about Chattathan, Braddathan.

Oh yeah, very upset, very concerned. I'm sure Margo Robbie wakes up. She's like, what do you mean? He doesn't want to fuck me. What do you mean? No question. I'll keep buying your minds day in and day out. No worries.

Okay, so speaking of that topic, we're going to look into some TikTok. So this one. Amazing. In this interview at some kind of like, it says at some kind of youth political convention. Not a youth political convention. For real. Two young guys in suits tell the interviewer that Margot Robbie is quote mid. One guy says he grew up in Chicago and there are girls who look like Margot Robbie everywhere.

Oh, period. And he says, ideally Hollywood should promote beauty standards that go above and beyond normality. And like you ask him who it is and he's like Kylie Jenner. But you don't know what I'm saying? Like every time you ask a man, you're like, like who? They tell you another white woman who like they're both beautiful white. Like it's like a stone's throw from Margot Robbie.

It's like another beautiful white woman. It's always wild. They also talk about how they love natural women and only want to date women who've never had worked on. And then their Instagram following will say others. And also they can't tell. Oh no, they can't tell. I love when they're like, I don't like women who wear too much makeup.

And they're like, I need you to, I would like makeup like this. And they show Kim Kardashian. I'm like, you have no idea how much makeup she has. You have no idea how much makeup she has on in that. It's scary that they have the right to vote, honestly. I fear we need to like roll that back. Or even operate a vehicle. I know.

I feel like we need to. You'll need a handler. You need a chaperone at all times. They really, really do. Deeply concerning. But that's like my other thing. It's like, why would we take them seriously? The credentials are not there.

Like not everybody's thoughts are valid. Yeah, literally. Like that's why, especially the Margo Robbie thing, because I've seen that conversation online about Margarabi and Zendaya, which I find abhorrent in many ways. Not about our girls Zendaya.

Lay the fuck off. For real. My Virgo queen. Yeah, we're not playing with that. I'm just like, who the fuck are you? That's why I said, let me see that face card. I'll tell you the balance is on zero.

Oh, it's always on zero. Let me see it. Let me see it. Let me see it. But I think, too, it's the continuing to make women out to be just valued by the way that they love. Absolutely. It's like the discussion is always around like, oh, well, I think she's mad. You know, I don't even think she's that hot as if that's all that matters.

Yeah. Or if she gives a fuck, that's why I was like, you're so right. Because if Margot Robbie came up to you and was like, hey, you're trying to fuck, you'd be like, no way, mid-ass bitch. Get out of my face. No way. Especially. Nice try. We know that they would like fuck a stale wonder bread loaf that they found in the wall.

our parking lot. I'm telling you. That's how I was like, you're a liar. Yeah. It's funny because we're all just lying, aren't we? Yeah.

We're all just sitting around lying to each other. Yeah. And also like even someone, let's just use Margarabi as an example because they brought her up. Like someone who's white, cis head conventionally attractive, thin. She has all the trappings of what people would believe is the perfect like Eurocentric beauty standard.

And even that bitch is getting shit. Yeah. So yeah, of course they're going to say something about anyone who doesn't look like that. they're already like picking trying to pick her apart as if she's not gorgeous and beautiful and talented but that's why i'm always like literally never take anything men say seriously ever like literally ever they're fucking just they're stupid they're so dumb dumb yeah but again like it all just comes down to misogyny because you totally the most perfect like aesthetically like absolutely by science like Bella hadid who's like perfectly symmetrical yeah deem the most

beautiful woman in the world yeah and they're gonna still tell you that you're mid and they're like probably like a six. Yeah, you know, five. Oh, God. Let us know peace, Chad Braddon Todd. Yeah, they're like, I'd hit, but I wouldn't call her back. Exactly. Yeah, you're right.

I couldn't. I wouldn't be able to hit. Yeah, that's why. Yeah, that's why you wouldn't be able to, that's why you wouldn't be able to hook up with Bella Hadid. It's purely just your disdain for her looks. I feel immense embarrassment whenever men open their mouth in that regard. But, you know.

Me too. Again, rolling back the voting rights is. on the way. So stay woke, everyone. For real. So the comments on this one. Oh, God, I'm scared. I like Margo, but I think there are people who look a little better than her. Well, imagine that some poignant, like, super intellectual comment. They're like, you know what? I feel like there's maybe an upgrade there somewhere. I can't name who. Someone maybe. I can't think of it, but I'm sure it's there. Yeah. I'm sure it's there. And I'd hit her probably, but not this one. But not this one. I don't know. I can't think of her name, but someone out there maybe. There's a possible chance.

For real. And there's a response on here that says, y'all are hating on him to protect your feminist way of thinking, but he has a point. My question is, okay? What's the point you find her mediocre looking? Question for all men in the back, okay? What does feminism mean? I'll give you five minutes. Just like come back to the definition because where does that fit in there? No cheating. No cheating. No cheating. You cannot phone a friend on this one. Yeah. But I'm like, what does that have to do with feminism? Like respecting women at baseline? Okay. cute vibes like so sorry I give you basic human decency so you're trying to protect your feminism that goddamn feminism but even then if I was there and I'd be like well you're ugly so like I mean are you

the guy to ask like is margot robbie like I wonder what he thinks oh yeah she's dreaming of every man who's left to negative comment and what they think of her for sure that's another thing I talk about too I feel like a lot which is the goalposts are always moving yes like they're constantly moving and it's it's truly to just keep you under their fucking thumb. Like it's to convince you that like, I might change my mind. So don't get too comfortable right there. I might need you.

I might need you to do something else. So I can, I can give you my validation. Yeah. That's why it's like, nah. News senators are made up. They're, you know,

based off of white supremacy, not to get too far into this. It's true. But it's just all fucking made up bullshit. It is. Opinions I don't give a fuck about. Literally. So why would I live my life according to that?

Totally. Chad Brad and bad. And I've even told people before like in my culture, culture like that's like what we find beautiful is not what Eurocentric beauty standards are exactly and a lot of different cultures their idea of beauty is completely different exactly so like it truly is subjective I've always said like beauty is is genuinely subjective it really truly is but I will say if you're a guy like that um you're ugly you are and that's a scientific fact automatically you're fucking it proves study show you're ugly as fuck be well okay and I one time on the show I think like

a couple years ago, I posted a clip and I was saying like, I just think you can't comment on my looks if you're ugly, right? And that was like pretty much the entire clip. I'm sure that shook the world. The amount of men that stitched, first of all, I was dressed like a Christmas tree in it. Like literally my face is in the whole of a Christmas tree when I was saying it. So clearly I'm being a dickhead, right? But also I meant what I said. And so many men stitched that video and they were like, yeah, yeah, that's really fucking rich coming from you. Oh my God. And I said, and you. Yeah. Thank you. Example A, B, and C. Looks like we're fuggo twins, bitch. Like, you and me are both being big fuggos on the internet. You and I. We're in it together. Thank you so much. Love you best.

But it's crazy to me because they don't even realize like they're fucking funding you. It's like you are an icon and they just keep the fire burning. Don't tell them. Like, thank you. Yeah, that's all. Like, they're never going to be able to stop, which works for me personally. So I'm cool with it. Keep the content rolling. My brother's impressed. Thank you so much. I've even, even when it comes to like you and I, like, I mean, like we've said, I don't get my validation for men ever, especially, like literally at all, but especially about looks. Yeah. Like that doesn't make me feel good about myself. No.

And so it's funny when they try to tell us that we're ugly. I'm like, I know for a fact I'm not ugly. If I know for a fact and not only that, why would I care? Well, do you know that about you? Do you know that you're ugly? Self-awareness. One of us knows we're not ugly and it's not me, man. No.

The self-awareness on aisle five has not been. picked up yet for them, I fear. So, no. But they're not getting validation for men is so key. All I give a fuck about is if girls think I'm cool. Period. I need a Gen Z girl at the smoothie place that I go to to tell me my outfit is cute. And then I'm right.

And that's really all it takes. That's all it takes for me. I'm like, glowing for the next three weeks. Well, and I'm like, Dana's a literal fucking model. Like body, if you take body out of it, the face card has to be on 100. Face card is always clearing, I fear. That's what I'm saying. That's what it's like, they're going to tell you, okay, well, one of us gets paid like

to get for them to take pictures. on my face and you don't even have a job. So what are we talking about? That's the best part. Is it like I, I sleep well at night. Okay, the eye mask is on. The melatonin is taken and I rest. Okay, well, y'all bitches are up concerned about me. The face card always clears. You and me both. One time I got a, I did a Randall with Casper like I did the mattress. Love. And I was like, let me know. They're like, oh, let us know what caption you want to put. And I was like, let me know if they like this one. And my approved caption was literally, sometimes men ask me how I sleep at night and I said, that's easy.

On a Casper mattress. So iconic. No, that's incredible. And the check cleared, babe. Yep, the check cleared. Thank you. And that mattress is in my home currently. Oh, my God, iconic.

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Yeah. And obviously, men are being fucking horrible. Yeah. Again, people not getting paid to have pictures taken of them. have a lot of have a lot of thoughts, a lot of comments. A lot of yapp and happen. Yeah.

Oh, always. This one says, while regular models are busy working out, y'all are consuming breads. Okay. Is there a bread basket in front of me? Are there multiple bread options?

Because I would love that. I'd love to hit multiple breads. The breads. Yeah, real models are working. But okay. But what's so crazy to me is if she was thin, no one would give a fuck.

Like if you're, like if you have a meal. I said that all the time about what I eat in days. If you have a meal as a fat person, God forbid. Yeah, okay. Healthy.

not, balanced, not, they don't give a fuck. Like, you are not allowed to eat on the internet as a fat person. Literally at all. And sometimes thin women, like, thin women pioneered muckbangs. I know. And they'll eat so much food and it looks delicious and yummy. Yeah, I love muckbang. And then as one fat person records himself eating one meal and everyone's like,

see, this is a fucking problem. Exactly. This is why you guys always complain about your weight. No one complains about fat people's appearance more than non-fat people. Oh, yeah. Like, no one complains. up tea yeah and that's tea bitch yeah there's a lot to say there but we'll leave it there yeah but my other favorite thing is that um dietitians will tell you that you need i think it's like 20 grams of carbs for

your brain to be working fully you should try that sometime chat yeah clearly we haven't hit the carb quota for our morning breakfast and that's also like a fucking average like it's it's so specific to the person i know it's so specific but it's like you do need that to function your brain yeah and it's also energy too. Like, also everything she ate was not bad. No, not even close. But even so, food is neutral. Like, it does not need to be this big like hoopla about what we're eating.

It's ridiculous. Yeah, like food. You know, I recently made a video too defending this one girl because she was unfortunately caught in the crosshairs of like those street interview things. Let us know peace from the street interviews. Can we ban them? If we're on like the banning front, can we ban the street interviews? Yeah, let's go ahead and ban those.

I, like, live in fear of being stopped on the street by a man. Like, I have my plan. I'm like, I'm going to just dart. I'm going to book it. I'm going to run. I'm going to swing. I'm going to swing on them. If I could swing, absolutely.

Do you quit clothesline to him? I'm going to swing immediately. I hate it, but anyway, continue. Yeah, I was, I was defending her because I was getting tagged in. It was, like, her finding the video. Yeah. And she was talking about it. And basically, one of those awful street interview guys is, like, trying to hit on her friend.

And she just went up and asked her friend, hey, are you good? And she was like, yeah. And then she just waited off to the side. And he was like trying to capture her in weird angles and everything. And everybody was making fun of her way. And in her stitch, she was crying about it and saying like, I've just never had this many people talk about my body.

Like it's just so upsetting. And it's fucking horrible. Trust me, I know. Like Dana and I know better than anyone. Yeah. Trust me. We don't want to be perceived.

I'm good on that. No, I promise. And so when I was talking about it, first of all, it's awful. And I was like so sorry that that happened to her. But I was also saying too,

like when men, like mediocre mid-ass dudes get mad at you like the first thing they're gonna insult you about is weight regardless of what you're built like like you could be in a really good shape but not thin you could be tall you could be short you could have a belly you could have no belly a big ass no ass like it doesn't matter like they will immediately call you fat no always they're like oh you fucking fatty like immediately so if you know that you could take the power from it exactly because fat's not a bad thing literally at all yeah it's a neutral term it's a descriptor and it has no morality to it no we've added morality to it we've added morality to it we've

And that's a morality too. Like fat is not negative. Larger body is not negative. No, it doesn't hold morality. No. And that's like it, I truly I feel like that was like a huge piece for me when I was unpacking my internalized misogyny. It like really helped me kind of drive at home that like this doesn't mean anything.

If people call me fat doesn't mean anything. If I am fed doesn't mean anything. Yeah. Because what matters more is how I feel about me inside. Absolutely. I know I'm a bad bitch. So like, period. Fad or not.

And also I think for me, it just shows how. much they lack creativity because if the only insult you can give to me is that I'm fat, I know I already got you. Exactly. I know I got you in the crosshairs. Like, it's over for you, if that's all you got, I'm about to ruin your day, babes.

Yeah, yeah. Honestly, like, I don't give a fuck about it. It's just a cheap insult that doesn't fucking matter. Yeah. And it's like, it's, again, like you said, it's so void of creativity. It's fucking boring. Yeah, like, get something better. Yeah.

Sometimes I'll tell people you want to try again. Yeah. I'll give you another shot. I'll give you two more tries. Yeah. You let me know if you have anything better in there. Because I'm out here writing a sonnet about you. So stay woke friend.

I don't think you're going to come back after I start. So I'd let you go first. Go and fire them off, Blair. Exactly. But I think making, again, like unpacking our internalized misogyny as we all have had to do. Yeah. And also internalized fat phobia. I mean, God.

Absolutely. They're so intertwined. It's crazy. If you grew up as like a kid or a teen in the early 2000s, like you have internalized fat phobia. Absolutely. But I think bringing just neutrality to weight in general. is the best thing that you can do.

And knowing that fat is not a negative term. Yeah. Just a descriptor. So someone calls you that. Okay, babe. Thank you. Yeah. Period.

That's not the only thing that's fat. This wallet's fat. This ass is fat. Yeah. Yeah. You goddamn right on fat, bitch. Thank you. You goddamn right.

So the comments on this, the other comments on this, this one says, this is the first day she's ate healthy and she did it for the video. Okay. Well, just lies. Okay. Yeah. Thank you so much. Are you in my room?

me sir i'm like how did you know that yeah where's the hidden camera i'm scared now like this one says u.s reality corporations make you fat with their advertising that gets you addicted to their junk food which is toxic then pharmaceutical companies make money yeah love your body imagine thinking that that was like the place in time to discuss that they were like you know what we get into this let's talk about us corporate yeah like hold on let's talk about the corporate oligarchy yeah there's a here's a pyramid For real. Like, no, insane. If anything, they don't make, corporations don't make you fat.

They like, what happens is capitalism funds fat phobia. So you're, especially towards women. So you're constantly being marketed things that are, that you could buy to make you look better. And better is always thinner. They're never, they're never like, eat this and get bigger. Like, that's what the fuck? No way. They're always like, you have a big, fat, disgusting body.

Get rid of it with this thing that you need to spend a lot of money on. Exactly. There's always money involved. Yeah, absolutely. Always an app to download. I was like, the capitalism funds fat phobia bitch. Like that's what drives the economy a lot of times.

Exactly. And capitalism has made up the lie that women's entire like looks is our currency. So we feel like our beauty and our thinness and adjacent to thinness is our currency as people. Absolutely. And so it's all like interweaved with all of that. With the presence of social media too, I feel like it's a good or bad. This was going to be my next question.

I was curious how you feel like social media has shifted the modeling industry. Like do you think it's obviously it's opened a lot of doors, which is a wonderful thing. Yeah. But then it's also like exposed all these other cracks and fucking problems. So I'm curious how your experience has been if it's changed it for the better, for the worst, maybe moving in the right direction. Yeah. So I think in certain ways it's moving in the right direction. But I will also say I feel like we've seen a huge rollback in inclusivity recently. Totally. Yeah. Where you know, you see a lot less like black people and POC in those rooms. You see a lot of less plus size bodies in those rooms.

And so I think it's benefited it in some way, but I don't know if we will ever have genuine inclusivity in the industry, which makes me so sad. I know. It's kind of like it was rolling forward. It's like trends are cycling in and out, which bodies are cycling in and out. Yeah,

we're having another early 2000s moment where people are like being really fat-phobic on the internet again and being very, you know, thin-centric. Yeah, and everybody has to be skinny. Yeah. And I'm like, when do we start saying that again? Like, I'm not having fun. So I would say in certain ways,

been beneficial in other ways it's been detrimental. But, you know, I think it's positive to be able to have a platform and speak about your experience and even just be visible as a larger body person. Absolutely. I was going to say. Because I've, like, talked a lot less about my body and my body image journey and my ED recovery because I got tired of talking about it. It became like my entire being.

And so I could. It's exhausting. It's like sometimes I don't want my body to be the center of the conversation because it also gets exhausting to have people consistently comment about the way that you look good or bad. Totally. It's like you're in like a glass, you know, like box and people are just like looking at you and making commentary about you like you're not a real person with real feelings. Yeah. No worries. Like that's fine. My therapist will be hearing about this. Thank you. So I think that is another like really difficult thing. But I kind of rolled back like talking about

my body and just wanted to appear on the internet. Because I feel like that is the most inspirational and something as a consumer that I've enjoyed the most is just seeing plus-size people, plus-size bodies. Living their lives. Living their lives. Yeah, it's like it's the bravest thing to do.

Exactly. There's no justification. I felt like every long caption I wrote, you know, about falling in love with my body and, you know, loving myself and, you know, et cetera, and my flaws,

like was just me justifying existing. That's honestly too. Yeah. And so, that's such, that's such tea. I got to the point where it's like, I would rather inspire people by just being and enjoying my style and enjoying beauty and makeup

and not feeling like, like, but asterisk, I'm also plus size. Yeah. Also, I'm plus size in case you notice, like, I'm fat. Thank you. Like, just in case you forgot, like, I have body image issues and an eating disorder. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. I just wanted to be me and have that be, you know, the most radical choice that I make is be me without justification. That's such a good point. Yeah. I mean, I honestly feel too. That was a big reason. Well, it wasn't the only. It was wasn't the biggest reason, but it was one of the reasons that I started going to therapy to when I built a platform. Which you fucking need to do. Oh, no.

You know, you absolutely, if you don't have a therapist yet, huge privilege. But if you can go, but if you want to be an influencer, make sure. Yeah, do some pre-work before you get into that. You make sure you're in fucking therapy. I remember too a big thing I had talked to my therapist about, especially in the beginning, because that was like right at like my career had just launched. So it was just like everything was new to me. And I was experiencing everything for the first time.

And I remember this is a privilege that I had. I was so violently unaware of my body for a very, long time. Like I, I obviously knew of my body, but I never perceived any worthiness from it. Yeah. Literally ever until I was in my mid to late teens. Oh, that's amazing. Which is so rare. Like, it's so rare. Even as someone who didn't grow up as a thin person either, like, I just never gave a shit. Like, I was like, I was so, like, confident in who I was as a person that my body never played a role in my head. And then obviously, as you get older, that changes. Especially when you start dating, that changes. Especially if you date men. Fuck. Horrible.

unfortunately. Concerning times. Horrifying. If you're dating men, get to therapy now. Yeah, shit. Yeah. And I remember talking to my therapist about it and I was like kind of telling her that this job has made me so violently aware of my body in a way that I had never been before.

And that's past like hate comments is obviously like I don't give a fuck what men have to say. But like you said good or bad. Like good comments about body things fuck with you too. Sometimes they're like shit sandwiches. from people who love you about your body. That shit sucks too. And I remember even, and you know this better than anyone being photographed all the time. Like being photographed, being videoed with all this high tech cameras.

Yeah. Lighting from the side, from the front, from the, you know what I mean? Like it's just like you become so violently aware of every single inch of your body. Yes. It just takes over every like waking fucking thought. It's horrible. It's absolutely horrific. Yeah.

Unless you've been through it, you don't realize how terrible it is. Totally. And I'm so glad that you grew up, like, not feeling, like, super aware of your body. Because that's, like, so incredible. Yeah. And unfortunately, I didn't have that experience. And then growing up and being in the modeling industry where it's, like, I see myself so much. Yeah.

Like, also, we are not meant to see ourselves this much. Like, that especially. Like, it's too much. Like, I need a break from looking at my own goddamn fucking face. Yeah. Literally fucking me. Like, when I started seeing myself all the time, I was like, I'm okay. Holy shit.

I hate that. Oh, yeah. Hate that. It's awful. perceived by yourself is just not super enjoyable. But no, I think that's one of my least favorite experiences in being an influencer is just the constant commentary about the way that you look, the constant commentary about your body. Like I, for example, I have hyperhydrosis and I'm fat, so very fun.

But I, some girl commented about how sweaty I always look. She's like, you need to powder. I'm like, babe, I have three inches of powder on my face. I just have hyperidrosis. Like, we don't, like, you're all. You don't need to comment on my medical condition. I don't know. I don't know.

You're like, I actually need a stronger powder. Let me know you. Do you want to fund it? Like my Venmo is this. Let me fucking know, bitch. But my other favorite thing is the backhanded compliments that are supposed to be nice. And they're like, love your confidence. Like, why, what does that, what does that mean, Carol?

Oh my God, I so wish that I had your confidence, which translate, I think you are a lard. Okay. You are a walrus. You're big fatty and that. And honestly, you're brave for wearing that. Yeah, you are brave. Good for you. I remember I got so many early on in my career.

so many, you're so brave. I was just in a bikini. Carol Ann, Carol Ann, where I'm from, we use manners. Okay, no. What's so brave about that? I'm at the beach. I would throw it back, like, as a question, like, what about this is brave? Panic and Sus. Like, everyone's running. I'm gonna go write that on Kendall Jenner's.

Hey, you're so brave for wearing a. Exactly. You would never say this to a thin woman, but okay, girl. I had another person who, like, commented and they were like, oh, seeing your stomach just makes me so happy. Like, your stomach, the way your stomach is shaped makes me. be so happy. I'm going to kill myself Rebecca. And it's on you.

By the way. Okay. I'm making a tape for you right now. 13 recent style. I've literally gotten one. I've gotten one like that when they're like I don't even remember. I think it was like a Coachella picture or something and they were like, oh my God, girl, like love your content, love your stuff. And I also have a really stretched out belly button. So I'm so happy to see that representation. Yeah, no, it's always the representation. Representation.

Represent these fucking nuts, bitch. Locked. No. The way I read it and I was like, I just can't imagine, again, being so bold as to comment that to a stranger. Stretched out? Where'd you get your lobotomy girl? Okay, put my appointment in.

Hey, I've never been pregnant, so stretched out wear, bitch. Switched out where girl? No, that my favorite part is the representation. Like, oh my God, like, love your cancles. Like, I hated mine forever, but now I love seeing the representation of your fat ankles. Like, thank you so much. I got that the other day, too, about my big linebacker shoulders. I'm not kidding.

She wrote that. Big linebacker shoulders. People say that to me too, and I, because I do have broad shoulders. I don't give a fuck. I'm a check you. Girl. And what of it? Yeah, and what of it?

Pull up. Yeah. That's a comment I get from men too. It's always on like boosted ads though. Boosted ads are like the black web, the dark web or whatever the fuck. No, that's why I feel about Reels. Oh, no. Literally.

Reels algorithm. Do we fucking with you. Girl. It is not a good time. You want to get your feelings. like trampled, you put that shit on reels. And like mine are made of fucking vibranium bitch. The shit they built Captain America's shield out of is what my feelings are made

out of. And even I was like, damn, looking at Reels comments. Insane. Shit, dude. They're fucking unhinged. But if you ever, like, as a influencer, like when you partner with people, sometimes you will get boosting. Yeah, they boost them.

They white list you into the dark depths of the internet. Sometimes Facebook, it is so fucking scary. Oh, on Facebook, it's bad on Facebook. The things that people will say. Oh, it's so bad on Facebook. Oh, scheduling my theory of pay appointment tomorrow. Oh, love that. Yeah.

You really want a good, like, you want a real good kick while you're down. Oh, yeah. Go look on Facebook. Go look on Facebook. Facebook is really where, like, someone's grandma will be in your comments telling you how you look like a fat slut in that outfit. And I'm like, Carol Ann, I don't think the church congregation will be really excited to hear that. Dude, when I went to the streamies last year, I wore like a, I wore like a, it was kind of a see-through dress kind of not, but like it was hard. hot. She looked incredible. Thank you. It was big, like real tit heavy, right?

Love, love it literally and figuratively. Yes. And so I remember, I think it was like, people magazine or something, love them. They posted this little cutdown of me on the carpet. They were like interviewing me. And obviously it's like a vertical. Yes. And so you can see me, you could see the host. And obviously my tits are like, they're out, girl, they're out. God bless. They're shiny, their tan. It's fine. And so this old lady, I'm not, I literally took a picture of because it made me laugh. She wrote on there and she goes, nice saggy tits. She's like in her 60s. I'm not kidding. I'm not. I literally took a picture of it because it made me laugh so hard. Oh my God. Because I was like, who the fuck are you calling saggy tits,

grandma? Oh my God. First of all. My favorite thing to do is I will find their grandkids or like their kids and be like Rebecca Sue was really getting out of hand in the Facebook comments. Someone, she jail broke that phone. Someone could pick her up. I'd go find it. The flip phone, someone can pick her up. And I went and looked at she has content on her profile and she is an old ass bitch. And I said, you whip your shit out, bitch. And I'm about me, let's compare who's our saggier. We'll compare chitty sagginess.

I literally, I literally wrote back to her and I just put, girl, what? I feel like older people sometimes don't realize that their comments are public. I don't know where they think it's going. But they're like, no one will see that. Everyone's seeing it. She's like, how did you get into my private messages? Exactly. Hey, girl, you're on people's TikTok.

People magazine's TikTok. She learned how to take a screenshot and come back to us, girl. Not only that, but I only saw it because they tagged me and obviously and I opened it. And she was the second comment on that video. Love that. She is impressed. Love that girl. Again, I can't imagine hating myself so much.

So I think the hate from like the older like generation of women like sucks so hard too. I know. Because it happens so much. I know. Such a bummer. I'm like poor one out from. They're lost. I know.

It's so sad. The misogyny's gotten too. you all too but rip it's it's fucking wilds those grandmas and the facebook comments are insane they're they're scared like this was sponsored by them the scary of grandmas in the facebook comments like yeah i'm not afraid of man no i'm afraid of old ladies yeah yeah yeah she took her walk her in to bully us like girl no so scary okay so just to kind of wrap this up i would love to know obviously you've imparted so much wisdom on us but i would love to know um what's your best piece of advice for who's like maybe a bigger body person and they're looking into whether it's modeling

content creation maybe both yeah what would you say is your best piece of advice for them navigating the worlds if you're able get into therapy that's number one because it kind of helps like break down those systems of oppression and understand you know why people are coming are coming at you the way that they are absolutely and I think also like and this is to anyone too who's thinking about getting into contact creation modeling etc like keep your backbone like keep your morals, keep your values, do not let anybody fuck with that because you'll be so grateful. It'll take you a little bit longer to get you to where you want to be. You're like lugging up the mountain with all of your morals like on your back.

But it is so worth it to stay true to you. Like totally. That is probably my my top advice because you will feel better. You'll feel at peace. Like unfortunately it is worth it. Yeah. And also it helps you feel confident within yourself to the core as well. Like you know who you are.

No one else can affect that. Yeah. And when you stay true to that like nothing else will affect you. Absolutely. Yeah. And I'd also like to add that Dana is genuinely so beautiful in person. And every model I've ever met is like literally so beautiful and fucking person. Like literally in person.

That is not the cameras girl. Like they like face card never declines. Truly. It's even better in person. And they're also every single model I've met is really good at their own makeup. Like you're so stunned. But you're so I like pay someone to do mine, but like you could do your own. You were an angel.

But I genuinely feel that's why they're so good at their own makeup because you have to learn how to be good at your makeup. had to fix a lot of fucked up makeup in my day. So here I am. No, it's so real though. Yeah. I don't do the own personal beat. I care. You gotta fix it.

Yeah, got to fix it. You got five minutes. You got to fix it. Yep, exactly. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. Oh my gosh. Thank you so much for having me. My best.

I love you. I know I love you so much. So happy to be here. Oh my gosh. I'm so happy to have had you. Thank you so much for watching. Where can everybody find you? Oh, my gosh, under Dana Isabella with 3 As,

but I'm actually getting my full name as my Instagram. Oh, finally. Finally. I know some like random person with zero followers had it. I'm like, please I beg of you. Please give me my handle. But if you look up Dana Patterson on all platforms, I'm starting a podcast called Gossip Saves Lives.

I'm excited. Yes. And that's about it. Period. Love. Make sure y'all go follow Dana on liver. Literally everything. If you don't already, I'm sure most of you already do.

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