The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - DE-CENTER MEN Ft. Margaret Cho

Episode Date: April 17, 2024

Comedy legend Margaret Cho is here this week!! Margaret and Drew talk terfs, Margaret gives drew stand-up advice, dealing with misogyny, homophobia and racism as Margaret came up in the comedy world, the stalker who put diet ads in Margaret’s mailbox, de-centering men from your life, why menopause is so freeing, why people are getting so pressed about the rainbow flag, and so much more! Drew: https://linktr.ee/drewafualo Margaret: https://margaretcho.com For sponsorships/partnerships, email [e-mail]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

They refuse to acknowledge racism or systemic oppression so bad. They start making merch. They're like, guys, we got to do something. Let's all make our own flags. Yeah. You do a blue one. I'll do a red one. We'll do firefighters, cops.

What the fuck are we doing? What? What are we doing? Why? Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me, your favorite. Everybody knows me. Who cares about me?

On to the guest. Today we have the iconic, the legendary, the amazing Margaret Cho. Woo-hoo! Thank you. Oh my gosh, thank you. Welcome to the show. It's an honor. Thank you. I'm obsessed with you. Same. This is so exciting. Same. I've had like a few like comedy legends on my show every time and obviously you're one of them as well.

Every time I have them, I always find it so shocking that you guys even know who I am. I rely on you, you know, to deal with all of the shit out there. Like I just, I need, I need you. We need you. I need you. Honestly, I feel like women like yourself, honestly paved the way for people like me. So I'm honored to follow in your very, very large footsteps behind you. I'm so grateful. Thank you. It's amazing. I'm so happy to have you.

For those of you who don't know, maybe live under a rock for the last however many years, Margaret Cho's an esteemed and very talented and very successful comedian, which is so incredible and amazing. And also, I know you do like TV, film, all of that jazz. Yeah. What are you up to nowadays? I'm on tour. I'm on this sort of long tour. I've been on it for about a year now.

It's just like traveling in different places, and it's called Live and Livid. And it's really one woman ever to protect drag queens, to protect the trans community, to protect trans kids. And I love the video that you made calling out turfs against Dylan. Yeah. Dylan is my baby girl. I love her to death. She's my little baby girl. Like truly an angel.

Like she's so sweet. She's the baby. And she put out this beautiful song that's really just about celebrating her womanhood. Yeah, and who she is. You were so funny. like, bitch, it's not about like, you know, this is one definition of womanhood and that these women are trying to somehow say, well, uh, you, if you think trivialize womanhood like that. Like, it's not trivializing womanhood. It's expanding the idea of womanhood. Yeah. And that's also

her womanhood. Yeah. Like that's how, that was her experience, which was like my whole point. I'm like, nobody gives a shit if you don't like the song. Like, believe it or not, not all art is created for you specifically. Right. So it's okay if you don't like it. Who gives a shit about that? But I was really getting irritated because I started seeing a lot of cis women saying things like this is misogynistic, which I'm like, you use that term too loosely with this shit. Like I don't like that. I mean, it's like, no, this is not misogyny. This is actually celebration of femininity. Yeah. And I even followed it up too in like other videos where because they were like, well, it's more so, but the stereotypes or whatever the fuck they were their reasoning was for being a turf. And I was like,

okay, well, okay, let's talk about stereotypes. She talks about like picking up her meds, which by the way, are her hormones so you're a fucking asshole if you're like, not everyone takes those. No shit, bitch. She knows that. Believe it or not. Having a one night stand, shopping, whatever. What is wrong with any of those things? If women do any of those things, what's wrong with that?

And I was like, now who's being misogynistic? Right. Exactly. Like, so women can only do things like bear children. Yeah. Yeah. And have a period. Yeah.

But the dumb thing of like playing the her song with that stony, stupid. Like, these big. With their stone face. With their stone faces like mad at the camp, like, mad, like fucking, oh, fuck you. Knock it off. Knock it off. You're pissing me off. It's so stupid.

And I hate when women are stupid. Like, I expect that from men. We expect it from men all day. But when women are stupid, it's particularly infuriating. Same. Literally, you're just like me, for real. I've told people, I'm like, like you said, you expect that for men. Yeah.

It's shocking when they're not, to be honest. When they're not fucking dumb. When women are actively being dumb and wielding it, I'm like, girl what is going on with you like I was like it makes me extra angry yeah like it makes me more mad than men because like you said because men are a big joke to me regardless always so I'm gonna laugh at anything they say but like that's how I felt too about the whole discourse because it was really really upsetting me seeing so many women and that's when I said like this is where intersectionality which starts to beat the shit out of some of you who claimed to be feminist because it's like

feminist with an asterisk and I was like that's not true feminism if it's not intersectional so it has to include trans women as well right and I was like in any other sort of intersection that could be like being able-bodied being neurodivergent being gay being fat like those are all different intersections that should all be included in your feminism that's right and i feel like they'll just look for any opportunity to attack dylan to be honest which i don't know what it is yeah i don't know what it is about her or her karma that sort of attracts that but i mean maybe it's it's also good because it brings to light all of the biases that people have totally and i'm glad for it but i think it's got to be hard for her. She's just a baby. And turfs are so, like, they're so convicted that in their belief that

they are not, like, transphobic and they are not being massages, which is like, that's what makes it a little harder because it's like, I can't convince you to give a shit about women who may not perceive, you may not perceive them to be what you think a woman is. Like, I can't convince you you to see them that way. So it's like, I'm really just arguing with a brick wall at that point. Yeah. So I've always told women too. I'm like, I don't give a fuck if you love me, if you don't love trans women, unlove me, unfollow me. Sorry, bye. Don't want you around, girl. That makes me really happy that your tour is centering on. It's centering on trans lives and trying to talk about the ridiculousness of this evangelical

Christian movement to erase us, to erase gayness and women's rights and all of that, you know, because the person that would have the biggest problem with these evangelical Christians is Christ. Christ would be like, bitch. That's not what I said. Is that ironic? That's so ironic. Also, too, when they say, like, it's like a sin to take the Lord's name in vain or whatever. I'm like, also, don't come from me if I misquote of that. I don't know a lot about your culture.

But, like, when they say the Lord's name in vain, people think when you're growing up, it's like saying, oh, my God or whatever, or saying Jesus Christ, when in fact, what it really means is using the Lord's teachings to be bigoted towards other people. And I'm like, isn't that ironic? Because that's all you fucking do when you're in evangelical Christian. It's like, Ray. It's that irony. They're like so trying to use God's name to stamp out God's creation.

Period. And how does that work? It's so infuriating. Yeah, it is. And I feel especially now, like with all the anti-trans legislation that's going on right now, it's extremely, extremely important. That's why I felt compelled to mention that in the video about Dylan. I'm like, this is not the take y'all think it is.

And like targeting trans women, especially now, is a horrible, horrible, evil, sinister thing to do when they need us more than ever right now. They always have. And also, about the drag queen band, I've talked about that too, because I have tons of drag queens on my show, too, whom I love and adore. And I was like, you know, the drag queen band thing is also a masquerade

for wanting to wipe out trans people. Obviously, it's like a front. But when they're talking about, like, you know, they're being creepy towards kids or whatever the fuck their rhetoric is, I'm like, drag queens hate children. Right. You have a lot of drag friends. Well, drag queens don't want anything to do with children.

They want drugs and drugs. dick like everybody else. Like, we don't need children. And it's like, what is that about even? I don't know. They're like, I prefer that your children aren't near me. I like ask that you don't bring them near me, actually. No.

And also, you know, because obviously you've been in the community for a long time. So I'm sure you have tons of friends. And now I have so many friends too. And they're all like, I don't, like, leave us the fuck alone. Like, they're not bothering anyone. They don't want to hang out with you. No. They don't want to hang out with your kids.

They just want to do their dance and go home. Right. But it's this weird idea that drag or somehow drag queens are going to teach your children to be gay or that there are teaching kids to be gay in school when they're talking about gay history or that's not real. None of that is real. If that were the case, there would be no gay people because we're constantly in a heteronormative society anyways. So straightness is constantly pushed on all of us.

And taught. Yeah. And taught actively. Pushed onto us. Absolutely. So there would be no gay people if that was how it works. like gay people wouldn't exist at all. If we were just all being taught the same shit,

we were just choosing. So I honestly find that very inspiring. That makes me really happy. Obviously I know, like, because it's been such a targeted attack on them recently, like what was really the driving force behind wanting to build your tour around that? I think it's just like what I've always done.

I mean, I always talked about gay rights. And I think after 2015, when the Supreme Court allowed gay people to get married, there was this shift of like, maybe we don't have to fight so hard for our rights anymore. And then when Rovi Wade was overturned, and then you started to see all of this rise of homophobic stuff and the patriotic front coming out and protesting drag queen story hours

and all of this. And I realized, oh, we actually are going backwards. Yeah. And we need to step up this fight. Yeah, absolutely. And when it comes to your comedy specifically, I'm so curious, like, if you've seen, seen a shift at all other than obviously politically I think because obviously stand-up comics I'm sure

you've seen especially on the internet there's been a real like discourse happening about like what you can joke about what you can't joke about like what's appropriate what's not and like some people who refuse to like take bigotry out of their comedy anymore because they're just like oh everyone gets offended these days uh people who like refuse to adapt or evolve with time I'm so curious if you've seen like a shift in comedy at all as far as like the internet comes into play obviously people are talking about it online all the time. Like, have you seen a big shift in the comedy space? Only the men are mad.

Only the men are like, you can't say anything. I'm not going to play a college campus. Like, they're like, all men. I'm like, why are you mad? The thing is, is that if you're really a good comedian, you can subvert all of these ideas of what's possible to say. Absolutely. You know, if you really were skilled,

then you wouldn't have to rely on, you know, racism, bigotry, homophobia, misogyny, to get your point across. Exactly. Like, there is a way to tell a well-crafted joke that is all about the stuff. Yeah. But they're not taking the time to do it. Exactly. That's so real, too.

I'm so glad you said that because I feel like it's such a cheap, like, summary of it. They're like, oh, I guess I just can never talk about that. And it's like, no, you could talk about anything. I think there's just a way you can do it that doesn't always have to end with it being denigrating towards a marginalized group that you yourself are not a part of. That's the like the realty is like it's always people outside of the community punching down on the community. Whereas like even people within the community,

they joke about their own community all the time in a way that's not denigrating or harmful. No, it's like a weird thing of like let's actually just expose the racism by making the racist joke. Like that to me I think is a really important part of people of color and comedy for people in comedy, women in comedy. It's a really important. way to explode all of these ideas of who we are. Yeah. And politicize it by joking about it.

There's a power in that. So, you know, men have the ability to do it, but they're just so lazy. They don't want to do all the things that make it possible. Yeah. I always think, how boring, too. Like, you've been in the space for how long and, like, you can't work those jokes out, like, or get new ones? Like, just evolve and grow other. Everyone else is doing it. I'm like, other people don't seem to be having the problem that you're having. Right. There are some really successful comedians right now that are not having that problem at all. They're like, well, no, I can't write any jokes.

If I can't joke about gay people and I'm not gay, then what do I have? Yeah. Maybe you're not that funny. Yeah, it's like they just have to really like actually find a way to do it and look at the art form itself for ways to do it. Totally. Obviously, you are such a figurehead for women in comedy. And as a woman of color, like how is that like coming? up in the space in the beginning and like have you seen like do you think that there's a shift in a

more positive direction for women of color and comedy yeah yeah it's wonderful because there's so many great spaces for women in comedy there's so many great uh voices that we're seeing totally so I think that the rise of it is really inspiring because before you know there was no there were no Asian women in comedy you know when I was starting in the 80s and 90s there was just nobody yeah so it was isolated and lonely and I was always just like trying to figure out am I even supposed to do this but now there's so many more channels for them to get their work out and so yeah it's really inspiring that's so cool and I'm curious how did you like find out that you wanted to do comedy because obviously it's a very

niche like passion to pursue as like a career so I'm curious how did you like find that as soon as I knew what it was as a job then I thought oh that's what I'm going to do like and I decided when I was probably like eight years old. Really? You know, yeah, like really early like that I mean, so early that I thought, oh, I wanted to be Wonder Woman. And then I realized that that's probably not going to happen. So that I thought, I might not be in the cards. Yeah, I'm going to be a comedian. And that was like, yeah, from seven to eight, that was my switch. Damn, that's so cool from such a young age. I feel like even when I was younger, I knew I just, because sometimes people ask me like, did you always know you wanted to like, you know, be in comedy or whatever or be funny

for a living. And I was like, I just liked entertaining. I liked, I liked making people laugh. I liked to entertain whatever that may be. I just always enjoyed that. I just never thought it would lead to this. I will say, though, I'm dipping my toe in stand-up this year. I'm like getting a little getting my warm-ups in. Perfect. I'm going to start with five. Well, you know, you're so good. You're so good. You're already there. I'm so nervous. I'm not even kidding. I'm super nervous. I tell all my stand-up friends and they're like, why? And I'm like, I don't know. I just feel like I've loved stand-up comedy for so long.

Like, it's an art form. I just truly admire and respect. And I always joke, I don't want to find out the hard way that I'm bad at it. No, you're great. You already, you already know you're good. It's like you're already, you're so advanced that when you go in, you'll feel it. Like, oh, this is, that's what it is. Like the physical act of doing it will be a comfort.

A good feeling. Yeah, because you'll know, oh, it's this is what it is. Because it's very natural from the way that you speak and then all of your, all of the stuff that I've seen of you already, you know, it's like, oh, you already do it. Like, I assumed that you've been doing comedy for years. Like, I just, yeah, I already assumed that you were just already up there and doing sets because that's what you're doing. Essentially, when you're making these TikToks and you're, like, editing and stop it.

When you like, I love when you're like, yeah, ah! Then you cut off. And then you go to the next burn and the next one. You're making the laugh break for the audience. So you're already doing it. Me filling in the audience laughter. Yeah. But you're already doing it in the way that you're putting the jokes out there.

So it'll be natural for you to do that when you go on stage. Oh my gosh. Don't gas me too much, Margaret. Well, it's real. She said I was awesome, so I'm sure I'm going to kill it. You are going to kill it. You are going to kill it. And it's going to be great.

I just never wanted to be like one of those like dickhead dudes on the internet. And they tell like one fat joke. And they're like, I should quit my job and do stand up for a living. No, no, no, no, no, no. I just didn't want to be like that. Nothing like that. I'll come with you. Oh, period.

I'll help you out. Like, I'll say, okay, you know, we'll work together on this because I really want to help you because I think you're already, you're a natural. Thank you. Thank you so much. I'll take, oh, please don't say things you don't mean because I will take you up on that. No, I mean it. I'll come with you and we can go, we can go to like the comedy store and we can figure it out. Period. I'm so excited.

Oh, my gosh, me getting nervous. My back started sweating. I feel like I just, like I said, I admire it so much, but especially women in comedy. Like, I'm just like, that's so powerful to me. And I feel like the ones that I admire yourself included, I'm like, oh. I just like don't know if I could ever like live up to that. Also, it's all original material, which I'm not saying that I don't have original material,

but I feel like I'm like me making fun of dudes and like crafting an entire set are obviously two different skill sets. They can, one can help the other. But I just like want to make sure I'm like perfect and ready to go. But that's probably the Virgo and me. Well, yeah. The thing is that it doesn't have to be perfect

because the perfection is in the motion of doing it. True. The perfection is in the creation. Mm-hmm. And to let go. of this idea of perfectionism as like it's the enemy of the good. Yeah. Perfect is the enemy of the good, you know? Yeah, totally.

You want to get rid of this idea of like, it has to be perfect because you're already perfect. Oh, thank you so much, Margaret Cho. I really appreciate that coming from you. That means a lot to me. And I'm very nervous, I'm sure it'll be fine. I'm like, if it's, if I'm like, worse comes to worse, I'll just pick a man in the audience,

start making fun of them. That's my backup plan. That's the best, you know what? I'm an audible. Genius. That's what everybody wants to see anyway. So, I mean, I think, yeah, don't worry. Don't worry too much about it.

We'll go and we'll do it. And you'll see how the transition of you taking it from online to IRL, it's really going to be simple. Oh, okay. That makes me feel a little bit less nervous about it for sure. And I also, I'm curious, too, about, like, when it comes to online to real life, and obviously I made a joke about men, like, they, like, truly think. think. Like if they make a couple of bigoted jokes, fire them off on TikTok, they're like, I should do comedy. I'm so funny, guys. Everybody tells me, tell a joke, tell a joke.

And I feel like I'm curious if you've seen that. I don't know. I always see it on TikTok, but obviously, obviously I'm getting tagged in the shit. But like, I don't know if you've seen an uptick, because I feel like I have, and young men specifically who are like, I should definitely tell jokes for a living. You know, once they get into it, they see how hard it is. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Because it's not one joke. It's not even like just somebody that's funny doing it. It's a mindset. It's like the mindset of like coming at things like a machine gun.

Like when you're like going and doing standup, you have to have joke after joke, which you do. Yeah. So that's like you already have that mechanism in place. Yeah. That's what's hard to get. So a lot of those guys who sort of maybe think, oh, I'm really good. And then they'll go and do it.

It's impossible. A lot of times in comedy, you don't have to be. funny. You just have to have people come see you. Oh, period. And that's really, that's what's real. Yeah. Like, that's why you have a lot of people go and do comedy that aren't necessarily comedians.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They sell out and they do all huge things. Yeah, they get specials. They get huge billboards that, you know, out there that, they're not funny at all. But people are coming. That's the other important part. When you can marry the idea of having that rapid fire of jokes

and people come to you, which you have both, you got it. Thank you. I know I feel like especially when you're talking about that, like one of my friends, Caleb Heron, like he's gay, he's a comic. He's hilarious, so funny, so talented. And he even when he was telling me about giving me some advice about stand-up too, he was telling me, he's like, I feel like men who struggle like that or men who have audiences and they're maybe not that funny, he's like, I think they just refuse to like change the set

at all. He's like, so like when you work a set and, you know, some things hit, some things don't, like you should listen as if it's a conversation. If they're not reacting to it, then maybe I need to tweak it. Maybe I need to exit it. Get rid of it entirely. And he's like, like, that's the art form is like adapting it, right? So that people enjoy it and laugh and everything. And you get some of them just refuse to change it. Like they're like, this is funny. I don't give a fuck what you say. I'm going to tell the jokes regardless. And then he was like, and those are comics I don't think are like as deserving of praise or anything because they just refuse to

change the shit. And then they end up building in a. online fan base and then just fill the seats with those people so then it doesn't matter anymore like you said yeah i mean it's like about growing and understanding that a stand-up comedy is a living breathing art form and it also grows with society totally so society's ideas about what they think is appropriate or funny or whatever and you know all that changes with time so you know you're allowed to be adapting along with it and to be to not take it personally when things are not going well yeah totally and he even uh compared it to like having a conversation with someone like he's like if i was talking to you and i brought up politics and you weren't responding to me at all i'm not going to talk about politics i'm going to move on to something else we want to we both want to talk about right and he's like that's how i see it with audiences like if they're not responding at all then maybe i need to shift it or move on entirely yeah and there's nothing wrong with that like i can change it and adapt it as it grows but i think that's probably why both of you are so successful because you all are smarter than most men who do

stand up for a living. I've actually made fun of a guy who got a special for no fucking reason, apparently, but I made, I made a video making fun of him because I was, like, the entire set was absolute dog shit. I didn't even watch the special. I was just getting tagged in the TikTok clips from it. And when I talked about it, I was like, I mean, the entire thing was nothing but, like, minion memes you would find on, like, your racist uncle's Facebook page. So, like, that's not comedy to me personally, but, like, what the fuck would I know? Because he, like, made fun of women almost the entire time. And he was like, yeah, fuck women, they're so stupid.

And women were his primary fan base. Which is so weird to me. That's like so why, I don't know. But again, it's like the thing of like, you don't have to be funny if you're a comedian as long as people are coming to see you. That's like, you think that's good? I don't understand why, like, especially if you're skating like that. Like if women just find you attractive and so then they're putting you, they're putting you in the right spaces, which is like to get an entire special or to get on these. these lists or these carpets or what the fuck ever you get all this celebrity from them i don't know why you

would sell them down the river like that yeah like you must lift them up yeah like if they're at least pretend publicly i don't know but i mean as long as people are coming to see him then he's going to continue to be a big name and comedy you know it's like there's been a past examples of that yeah you know but the thing about it is that their fame doesn't necessarily last you know they what thing uh has a lot of of longevity and has legs is when you're really funny and you know you can continually bring people in but what's more important is to be funny and i also think too like i feel like as like i grew on social media i started noticing too like you're what your audience demographic looks like i feel like is also very indicative of especially if you're in comedy if you're like funny or not like does

everybody look exactly the same or is everybody very diverse because like my demographic is so so so massive and diverse. There's many different people of different ethnicities, sizes, ages, right? Like, sexuality, gender identities, like all across the spectrum. And if all of them, many of which don't have anything in common, all find me funny, I find that to be a great thing. Yeah. But then when you build an audience based off, like, it's like jokes for one specific group of people. I just don't know how you see that going down the line. Oh, how does that even, like sustain, sustain or have the same kind of value or impact. No, totally.

Yeah. And I feel like, especially with you, like, I always remember, too, like, how heavily involved you've been in, like, the LGBTQIA plus community and, like, how you've been so, like, just, like, steadfast and uplifting them and empowering them. And I really want to say that before I forget how much I admire that about you, because you've held that your entire time in the industry, especially when it was really, really fucking taboo to do that or to be open and honest about it. And I feel like, especially now we need more people who have been like in the game for a while to be more upfront about things like that.

It's almost like when I had Trace Lysette when she was on my show, when I had her on, she was like if just one huge like straight male celebrity was like, yeah, I fuck with the dolls. Yeah, I fuck with trans girls. She goes, it would change everything. That's right. The way acceptance would just ripple through like the community is insane. Absolutely. And so I feel like people like you have always been. been right beside them, like constantly, like, being like, we need to platform them.

We need to pay attention to this. We need to care. Right. I just admire you for that. Thank you. I fuck with the dolls. I fuck with the doll. And I love, I love Tracy.

I love Tracy and I think she's just so magnificent and so cool. She's amazing. She's definitely one of my heroes. I love her to death. And it's like, it's so important, I feel like, especially as women to like stick together, which is another reason why I got so pissed off about Dylan because I was like, look how much time we waste tearing each other down. Like, yeah, look how much further ahead men get when we do this shit.

This is what they want. They want us to turn on each other, right? Like, they want us to turn against each other. And that's, that way we're divided because we outnumber them and we're stronger than them. And we've been turning on each other for so long. For real. We continually, continually backstab and turn on each other. And that's their weapon.

Exactly. Because they can appear blameless. It's the strongest one, I feel. And even with my platform, I've, like, I've had people ask me before, like, oh, can you make fun of like, you know, bigoted women because they do exist. And they're on the internet too and they make awful videos too, not nearly as many as men, but they are there. And so I've had people ask me like, oh, can you, you know, make fun of women too? And I've always told people, no, I'm not going to do that. And I was like, that doesn't mean I support or like want to

amplify what it is they're doing because I don't and I don't support them. And I was like, but at the same time, like, first of all, I don't do anything a man tells me to do. But second I was like, I truly believe that misogyny works in very sinister evil and sometimes hidden ways. And one of them is turning us against each other. So it's like making us believe that there can only ever be one perfect version of a woman. And if you don't fit into that, it's my job to kick you off the mountain before you get to the top. So I was like, I don't believe in that kind of rhetoric. I don't think it helps anything for me to like make fun of women.

Does that mean I'm not going to hold them accountable publicly? No. but I'm also not going to drag them the same way I drag men. And I was like, because men have been making fun of our looks forever. So I don't need to add to that. They continue to do it now. So like I don't need a fan those things. They don't need my fucking help.

It's like when people say the devil's advocate, they're like, the devil doesn't need an advocate. No. He does a great job all in his own. He doesn't need your help. That's so true. Like I'm so sick of like that, like let's hear the other side. I don't care.

No. I don't care. Actually, no, I don't want to. I don't care. I don't want to play the devil's out. I don't need the devil's advocate. I don't need it. It's actually I'm good.

I'm actually really fucking okay. I don't need it. I've made that joke before about men who are like, we'll invite me on your show so we can debate. No. No, actually, in fact, I won't be doing that. No, why? I'm like, you want to talk shit.

Get your own show. That's what I did. Why platform them with their stupid shit? Exactly. It's like it doesn't, that's like so much of this stuff like doesn't even dignify a response. Exactly. Absolutely. And I'm like, well, also blatant.

outright bigotry, like, what am I going to let you sit here and talk more? I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear that shit. And I'm not going to convince you otherwise. And you're not going to convince me. So it's a waste of everybody's time. There's no reason to want to argue with them. No, absolutely not. And it's ironic too because I feel like this plays into like male validation and how much they value social currency with each other because they constantly feel the need to be like proven right or like the strongest or the smartest or whatever the fuck adjective they want to use and I was like see I don't have that so if you tell me that makes me a chicken shit because I don't want to debate you okay yeah it's fine and I was like it's funny because I don't give a

fuck you do yeah it doesn't mean anything I don't I don't care if you think I'm a bitch about that because I'm never going to see you talk to you or even care if you die so yeah it doesn't matter I was like it's like no sweat off my back at all because I don't need that validation you do right and that's why I've told women who follow me I'm like you really want to to get under a man's skin, you just laugh. Yeah. Don't care. Honestly, if you don't care at all and you give it no stock, that's what they hate.

Nothing bothers them more than that. They hate it so much. They really do. And I've had someone ask me like, how do I stop like getting emotional when I'm trying to like stand up for myself against a man? Because she said like I have all of these very strong feelings. And sometimes when I confront them, I get very emotional. And like I don't want to be emotional in front of them because I feel like it makes

them be like, oh, see, now you're fucking crying, whatever. And so I was like, well, first of all, first of all, being emotional is not a bad thing. Men have stigmatized it to be a bad thing and a woman thing, it's not. And also anger is also an emotion, which they tend to forget very often. It's honestly the worst one. And they weaponize that shit all the time. And I told there, but if you're getting to the point where you feel like you're crying because you're trying to like, you know, debate with them or whatever, I said, first of all, and I mean this with all the love in the world, I would unpack where you get your validation from. Because

I used to get like that when I was younger. And I was like, and I realized now, after unpacking all my internalized misogyny, that like I was looking for them to validate me still, even at the very, very bottom of it. Like I was like, I just wanted them to see me. I wanted them to hear me. I wanted them to believe me when I was telling them how it feels when they act a certain way or treat me a certain way or whatever. And I was like, so that's still me looking for validation for them.

And I said, but I don't need it from them. Like I only need it from me and people who matter. So like, clearly that's not them. No. And I said, once I let that go, I don't cry anymore. Yeah. No way. Yeah.

I'm sure you do too. That's the thing they fear the most. Yeah. You know, like when they say, like, what are, like, men are most afraid of us laughing at them and then we're most afraid of them killing us. Yeah, weird how that works out, mom. Like, what's real similar in weight, I guess. It's so weird.

Yeah, and I've said that we have much different priorities, like, in that sense, especially. That's why I'm like, once you take their power away from, like, it harming you or feeling like that, they have literally nothing left. That's right. And that's what they fear the most other than being laughed. That is like women not needing them at all. The apathy. Yeah.

Apathy is the biggest weapon that we have. And it's one to invest in. And also, speaking of, but not really, like getting hate and stuff. Obviously, I know you've been in a male dominated field for a while. So I'm curious, like, how it was dealing with that kind of like with misogyny or just hate in general when you were coming up in the comedy. I think like it was easier for me because initially I came up before the internet. So a lot of that was really. I missed out on a lot of it.

I used to get like stalkers. So there's one stalker. He used to like put stuff in my mailbox that was all diet ads. Like he would for years. Diet ads. Diet ads. Yeah. And like, you know, different diet pills.

And like he would just like, right. I'm assuming it's a man. Yeah. Because I don't know who it was from. Yeah. But didn't that, you know, so when I moved it stopped happening. But it was just like this weird thing of like he just for years could send him. send me like diet pills and diet ads and things like that.

And it was just like his way of like telling you to lose weight? Yeah, but just to be like shitty. But it was coming to my house. So that was really scary. That is so weird. It was weird. And then like in the very beginning of the internet, I didn't know how to use it.

So I didn't know where the comments were. I wasn't entirely sure. That's a great thing. So I kind of miss out a lot of it. And I think like after a while, you know, like you kind of, I don't know, you sort of get used to it. Like now, I think I just don't look at it. Yeah.

Like, I'm just not. It doesn't mean enough to go looking for it. It doesn't mean that I look for or even think about. I feel like, obviously, this is very obvious to me, but you have a really strong sense of self. So it's like, even if you did see, it's kind of like, okay. I have, like, maybe developed that also, like, just because I've, I've never been, like, a pretty girl. I've never been, like, one of those kinds of girls. So I never learned to value that.

Period. Yeah. Love that. it's like something that... But you are beautiful, by the way. Thank you. You're beautiful. I love you. Thank you. But it's something that I just never looked to have any kind of sense of self and stock.

Totally. Totally. So any comments, but my look sort of was like, oh, well, that's, I've always been called ugly. I've always been called awkward. I've always been called whatever. Yeah, you're just like, okay. You know, it doesn't have any importance to me. Yeah. It doesn't hold any weight at all. Yeah. I feel like I've talked about that too a lot on my pub because obviously like my platform is

one of the few, I think, that's, like, solely comprised of hate. Like, it's, like, built off the shoulders of hate that's, like, about me personally or just women in general or anyone that's not a cis straight white man. And so I feel, I get that question a lot about how to deal with that. And I've said the same, almost the exact same thing about, like, first of all, male validation means dog shit to me. It doesn't mean anything at all. In fact, I don't want men to validate me. I don't want men to even look at me. So, like, never talk to me again. And I told people, I'm like, why do you think I'm trying to make all of them hate me? Like, I'm trying my absolute hardest and it's not working fast enough. But I feel like with dealing with that kind of

vitriol about my looks and stuff, I'm like, I don't hold any stock in that because I don't believe that's what makes me unique and awesome. Like those aren't things that I value the most about myself. Like, anything I value the most about myself where I draw my confidence from has nothing to do with my looks. Like it has absolutely nothing to do with my looks. It's everything internally that I feel like that makes me really confident. So I've told people I think that's a really, really great way to start kind of unpacking where you value things, like where you draw value from, where you draw courage, strength, confidence from.

It's a good way to start. It's to kind of start talking about things or like complimenting yourself. Like I've told people before, I saw a creator, a friend of mine. One time she said she did like a bowl of affirmations and she wrote one every day for herself, but they had nothing to do with her looks. So she would write something she loves about herself or something that makes her full confident and had nothing to do with looks. And I was like, those are really great exercises to start, like, devaluing that.

And I feel like in the same time, I feel like in tandem, you devalue or de-center men out of your life entirely. That's the key to de-centre men. And I think that's what I love about menopause is that that's the ultimate decentering. I can only imagine. It's so free. Totally. Because so much of the hormonal drive, I realized, was really just a,

about this compulsive heteronormative attitude, which I'm not even fully heterosexual. So it's like a weird thing of like, it's brainwashing, but it's helped along by this hormonal thing. And so when that goes away, then you can really fully accept and enjoy who you are. That's crazy. It's like taking drunk goggles off.

Yeah. You should take them off entirely. Absolutely. So I wrote about this in my book too, but like something that really helped me with that was my sister, because my sister's a lesbian. So like lesbians, they don't give a, about men.

Yeah. They do not care about them. They hate them more than I do. So I feel like they're the perfect example of someone who like men mean literally nothing to them. They don't want anything from them. They don't want to be them. They don't want attention from them.

They want literally nothing from them at all. And so I feel like there's such a great example of it is possible to exist in a patriarchal world and not hold male validation in any way, shape, or form. Like not hold it at all. So wonderful. And then you can start like really finding. a true sense of self that's rooted in you and not in men. Yes.

And what they think of you. It's decolonizing. Period. And decentering. It's so important. Absolutely. That's where intersectional feminism comes into play also fucking turfs. Anyways.

But it's the laziness of the just like staring blankly into the camera and pissed off with her song playing. It's the laziness. And then the zoom, the slow zoom is how stupid. Yeah. That's what makes me mad. Yeah, no, I love that, Dylan. I love that you made a song about stereotypes about us.

I was like, what are you fucking talking about? And also I had someone come up my video and they were like, the song wasn't my favorite, but that's just because I like different kinds of music. And then she was like, but honestly, when she described her week, that is what my week looks like. Yeah, really. So that's the most girlhood thing I've ever heard in my life. It's so right. It's so right.

And when I was talking to my sister about it, like when I was, because obviously I had a bunch of fucking turfs, be like, I'm not a fucking trans phone. And I'm like, you're not a transphobic, but you're just, you're spouting transphobic rhetoric. Right. Okay. Looks like a duck. Right. Probably a fucking duck.

Right. But when I was talking to my sister about it, I was like, what's crazy is this shit talking and this like awful of like there, there's only one way to be a woman. You're not a real woman. You're not a this. You're not a this. Like all these women kind of turning on another woman. That's the most girlhood experience right there, bitch. Right.

Right there. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. while men are getting ahead. Like that's, that right there is girlhood.

We're all experiencing it at the same fucking time. There was one that really made me mad. It was a girl who was saying, like, you don't have to worry. Dylan, you don't have to worry about when you walk home if you're going to get home. Yes, she does. Trans women are always worried. I know the exact video. My sister showed me that video right before I decided to make mine.

And I was like, yeah, I'm going to make one now. My sister showed me that. She goes, when she said that, she goes, you're right. It's worse. It's actually a lot worse for her. It's a lot worse for Dylan. a lot harder for her actually. Yeah, like, what the fuck? Like, are you fucking stupid? Like, what a stupid thing to say? You're so delusional. I was like, you're going to look me in the

eyes and tell me that you don't think trans women struggle walking at night? Are you out of your fucking mind? It's so insane. It was pissing me off the amount of women I saw. And, and I said, like, I've also said to him, like, y'all will, again, ironic because it's misogyny, right? But it's also transphobia too. And I was like, but y'all are like, who is this for? Like, who are you fighting for? Because you're not fighting for me, bitch. Like, don't you dare speak for me. No. Right? I'm like, I don't agree with what the fuck you're saying because they're like, we women, who's we? Yeah. Don't include me in that shit. Right. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, and then I had some

people say, I think it's really important because on my video, um, saying like, cis women need to say more things like this, like be more open and honest about it. Obviously, a lot of trans women were standing up for her, but because people are inherently evil and awful, they're not taking them seriously. That's why I was like, well, that's why I said something because it is important that we say something. And I even said in my video, like, We talk about femicide and how important we need to take it. Like trans women suffer famicide far more than cis women do. All the time.

Every day. Which is honestly even more tragic and awful because there are not nearly as many trans women in the world than there are cis women. So the fact that they're so much smaller of a pool and yet they're dying at a rate far higher than us is concerning and awful and everyone needs to give a shit about it. So that's why I'm like, you guys will freak the fuck out about anything she does because y'all are miserable and lonely and awful. but at the same time you can't stand to see someone who is living their truest self like living and being brave like she is so fucking brave and so courageous to do what she does for a living and i feel like her platform as a whole just her existing as who she is that's it is so fucking brave and i was like you guys you would never last a day you would not you wouldn't last a fucking

day if you experienced one 80th of what she experienced you guys wouldn't last a fucking day there's no fucking way and especially especially after the Bud Light shit that happened I was like that shit made me so fucking angry and I was like y'all tortured her for like over a year because of that shit and she didn't even do anything I mean all she did was just just hold some beer and they sent it to her

it's not like she ordered it she didn't ask her like they literally sent to her she's like this is really cool a year a year of fucking torture and I was like so I'm not letting you do that shit again to her I'm not letting you do it again her because even last time when I talked to her personally a lot too and she she thanked me for my video now I'm like you want to fucking thank me dude like I was like get behind me Dylan I was like get behind me girl I'm gonna protect you to worry about it people are gross and awful

but I'm really happy that people like you exist especially in the comedy space it's so important because there's a war on trans people literally everywhere and every every fucking industry so we're gonna talk about our topic today which is male rage against the internet's progressive intersectional movement. That's what we've been talking about this entire time. Obviously, it has to do with your comedy tour and it's all about the rage against homophobia, sexism, racism, and the fight to stay alive. So we have some TikToks that are applicable to our topic, and I'm just going to describe them to y'all. And then we'll key, key laugh, joke about them. So this one is a gay couple who just bought a house in Orange County are putting a pride flag up outside their house. And the caption they describe how, at first they took it

down out of fear of the city's conservative reputation, but decided to put it back up because as kids, they would have been comforted by a house waving a pride flag, which I love videos like that. It's cute. I think that's so sweet. Again, brave. Yeah. People being brave, people being courageous. It's really nice. And I really, I just will never understand. I don't understand people who give a shit about

stuff. Like, I don't get it. I mean, it's like, what is offensive about the rainbow, rainbow flag? Like, it's just such a, it's such a sweet flag. It's just kind of, I mean, and it would be exciting for like a person who's gay and feels insecure about it to see like reinforcing. Absolutely. Like reinforcing. Like it is a symbol of peace. Yeah, absolutely.

Representation as a whole always makes me like super emotional. So representation in all its forms, whether it's in like huge mainstream media or it's just like your neighbor has something that makes you feel a little less alone. What the fuck is wrong with that? Like I'm like, are you guys evil? It's weird. What's wrong with you guys? I mean, and it's orange.

which, I mean, I guess it's supposed to be conservative, but it doesn't seem like it. It is to me. I think it depends on where. Yeah. I feel like certain parts, obviously like higher tax bracket parts, they are pretty conservative. But I feel like other parts that are not like that. Because I grew up in San Ana. Like I was born in San Anna, which is in Orange County, which Orange County, which is in Orange County. Bigoted people hate when I say like Sanana is in Orange County because they don't like counting Sanana because it's a very low tax bracket, which I'm like, you guys are racist. So it is an Orange County bitch Read it and Weep Where I grew up

It wasn't like that But like I know a lot of parts of Orange County are probably like that Which is fucking awful Yeah terrible I'm like what's the correlation Rich White uh oh Rich White hate gay people

Check check check Okay so we're gonna read some of the comments On this one so this says I hung mine up It's blue white and red with 50 stars Okay The American Black I mean just like a description

For the visually impaired Like, why don't, like, that's, that's your idea of a joke. You're just going to tell me what you put up. Me too. Like, I hung one. Ooh, burn. Okay. Made by Betsy Ross.

Ooh. Ouch. Like, I know. Gee, you got me. I mean, yeah. I don't give a shit if you hang up an American flag. I don't give a shit. The difference is I won't burn your house down if you have that.

Yeah, like, who cares? Like, I don't give a fuck. Who cares? And while we're on the subject, when I see one of those hanging, I'm always like, I'm like, it's us. It's a big... It's real suss. Yeah.

Like what... Especially that and like, if you combine an American flag hanging, like, you really like going to the river. Uh-oh. My spidey senses are tingling. Yeah, I just don't. I sense are racist. I don't think.

I mean, yeah, I have... There's a neighbor of mine that has an American flag. Then also outside, there's a Hillary Clinton for prison. Like, I'm like, um... Uh-oh. But yeah, it's like... Or it's like the, uh, the... black flag with the blue line.

Yeah. The thin blue line. It's like, you know, I don't know. They refuse to acknowledge racism or systemic oppression so bad. They start making merch. They're like, guys, we got to do something. Let's all make, let's all make our own flags. Yeah. You do a blue one, I'll do a red one.

We'll do firefighters, cops. What the fuck are we doing? What are we doing? Why? You're doing that and not voting? What the fuck is going on? What is the point? They're having merch offs.

Like, they're just like, I'm going to make better merch. Yeah. My merch stands for racism. What is your stand? for. Also a firefighter? Why the fuck did we loop in firefighters? Don't bring them into it.

I want to keep my calendar. Why are you got to fuck with it? That sucks. I know. Sometimes when if I ever like if I'm at the gym or something and because my boyfriend like he he's like a big dude so like dudes are always like like like moth to a flame every time they see him in a gym and sometimes I'm like they're like nice men and then they turn around and they have a shirt that has like a thin blue line thing on it.

And I'm like, oh. It's too bad. It's too bad. Bye forever. Yeah, it's too bad. That's unfortunate. Yeah, I'm like, something stinks. It's probably bigotry.

This next comment says, you don't understand. I know you guys are in love, but that's way too far. What? Why? Why is it too far? I don't care what you do behind closed doors, but don't shove it down my throat. And it's a flag. Hanging outside of a home that's like 50 yards from yours.

Yeah. It's like when they see it, they're like gay. There's gay things happening in there. Don't like it. But it's like the most family-oriented flag that you could fly. Like, why is it offensive? It's just colors. It's weird.

It's just a reminder. Well, I'm like, if that flag is making you have gay thoughts, maybe if there's something else going on. Yeah, maybe there's something else going on, babe. I don't know. Like, when I see things, they don't make me think gay thoughts. but like unless I was gay. Yeah. I'm not an expert though.

It's the same thing with the drag queen band where they're like, oh, it's just so early in kids' lives to be like talking about these kind of sexual experiences. And I'm like, what do you think they're not talking about sexual experiences? They literally aren't. And if they're just telling you, hey, when you go in the world, sometimes people will have a mom and a dad, sometimes they'll have two moms, sometimes they'll have two dads, sometimes they'll have two dads, sometimes they'll have parents that are non-binary. What about that is sexual? There's literally nothing sexual about it. Making them aware of what goes on in the world is not. inherently sexual. No. But it's ironic because that's like their main concern when all they're

doing is sexualizing them. I'm like you are sexualizing gay people and you are sexualizing drag queens. That's a you thing. Right. Kids don't have any concept of that unless you put it in their head. And that's not being put in there by going like you may run into someone with a different set of parents than you. That's it. It's more sexual to give these kids like dolls of children. Yeah. Sort of like, okay, well like now you're going to experience parents. Like that's more... Did you have one of those? Yeah.

Like a baby doll. Yeah, I had that too. That's way more sexual. It absolutely is. When I was in eighth grade, in my middle school, we had like a whole family unit, like studying or whatever. It was the last half of the year. And it's because the teen pregnancy rate was so high in my school district that they made

it a requirement to teach us about like safe sex, about SCIs, all of that. And then on top of that, they literally had us like cause. play as parents. So like you would pick out of a hat if you were a single parent or a widow or married and then you would marry someone and then you guys would have to budget and then like if you got pregnant, how long it would be. And hospital bills and house and all that shit. Like they had us doing all that shit when I was in eighth grade because they wanted to prepare kids because it was just like I feel like if you're going to that length to prepare people for things like that. Yeah. What is the big fucking deal if you just include another subset of people? Which really exists.

They're not made up. Yeah. No, they're not. It's not made up. It's a real thing. Like they're actually alive and existing in half for thousands of years. So I'm like, if you just like expand it just a little bit more, it's really not the end of the world. No. But he's going to die. Everything's going to be fine. And I had a fake baby.

I had a flower baby. I had all that shit. Yeah. And it was a lot of work. Yeah. This shit is hard. Having a kid is hard. And it's putting all these things in your head.

Like so young. You're like, oh, okay. Like intimacy, like sexual partnership. And even then you don't even talk about the implications. of like mentally what sexual intimacy has on you. Like you don't even get to that. No. They're just like if you do it, you might have a baby and this is what will happen.

Yeah. But God forbid you have a storybook that's like, this child has two moms and that's it. That's the last time you hear about them. So crazy. It's like I think in turning red like the Disney movie, like one of the girls is gay. And just like they just said she's gay. She doesn't do anything gay at all. But they're like, what where does it end?

Where does it end? Like that's the outrage. Just the existing is the outrage. She doesn't kiss anyone. She doesn't hold hands with anyone. Like none of them do because they're children. No. Right?

But then it's like just her being there and having the knowledge. They're like, what the hell is this? Even though the main character is thirsting over men in a boy band, they're like, that's different though because straight. So that's okay. Yeah. I'm like, they're the same age and the other one has no sexual interactions at all. Weird how that works.

Okay. Last comment on here. it says, if there's ever a purge, first thing I do is roam around with a flamethrower in California decimating these offenses to actual rainbows. Jesus Christ. That's just, that's just like a violent threat. Holy shit. You know, like that's just scary.

That is so, I feel like they write that and they're like, yeah. Yeah, got him. Got them. Like what that's like a thread. I mean, it's not, yeah. It just shows what kind of person that is. It's just like waiting. No, for real.

So scary. Well, and then you see a comment like that and then you're like, they're like, you know, that's awful. But also I'm going to make a three minute hate video about Dylan. Like I'm like, do you see how you feed into shit like that? I'm like, you don't have to be outright telling people. I'm going to kill you if I find out you're gay in order to be homophobic. Right.

Homophobia and transphobia especially are so deeply ingrained in society that it's like genuinely it is a task and a half to like unearth it and let it go. Yeah. And so I find it so frustrating, especially with TERFs. Like they're like a perfect example of that where it's like, just because you're not using slurs doesn't mean you're not being transphobic. Right. Like there are many ways to be transphobic.

It's like just like there's things called microaggressions. Like they're not an outright racist like a slur. And I was like there are different levels to racism though. It's not all just like on the nose. Yeah. There's just like hidden things. And that's how I feel about the homophobia and transphobia. It's so fucking annoying.

Especially when they're like, it's not. it's not like homophobic for me to just say, I don't like to see men kissing. In what way is that not homophobic? That is homophobic. In literally what way is that not? Like how could I perceive that in any other way? Other than that, because you told me not too.

Please don't see this as homophobic, but... Yeah, it is. I'm going to say something really homophobic. Fucking terrible. Okay, we'll go on to this last video. So it says, Indeed.com made an ad for women's history month and posted it on their social media platforms. the ads a call out to businesses that companies statistically perform better when women are in leadership roles

and that during this month companies shouldn't just post about women but actually hire and promote more women and men left hundreds of angry comments on this video i'm shocked what a bunch of men who a bunch of men who should be going on indy dot com and getting a job like a lot of you should be using indy dot com more frequently don't just comment hey go on there and mozy around maybe maybe send some applications out while you're on there bitch. This comment says, quote, women are powerful. Meanwhile, there's no female president. Well, I mean, look how well the country is doing. So yeah, you're right. There are no women in office. Look how great this country is doing. And you're right. That is the work of a man. That is for fucking sure. That's for fucking sure. I feel like they would clean house if that were the ladies. Women were

allowed in the Oval Office. This one says, I kind of hate this whole feminist thing. Like, yeah, we should all be equal, but why make men seem like we're such horrible things? Because they are horrible things. I mean, it's like, why? You need me to draw your map? What do you mean? Yeah, I mean, it's so clear. I'm like, so ridiculous. Why do you think men are such horrible things? Ask your peers that. Yeah. I don't know why you're all like that. Yeah. If I could change it, I would. Yeah. It's growing up with the entitled position of being a man. Yeah. And that, you know, they're fed this lie that they're better. So they should be mad. You know, you can like take a back seat for once. Like just once. Just once.

And even then it's like, it's not even a bagger. It's just a step to the side so I can stand next to you. Yeah. So I don't want to be, I don't have to be in front of you. Right. Just let me get next to you at least. But they're so threatened. Yeah.

And it's because they know. I feel like it's the same thing when white people try to say like they try to weaponize racism against black people and they're like, well, that happened a long time ago. Like, why is it a fucking war on white people or whatever the fuck? I'm like, yeah. I was like literally when? When did that happen? When?

It's never been. And it's just like we're trying to rectify all of these wrongs and it's still happening. Yeah, yeah, literally. And we're not doing a very good job. It's not moving nearly as fast as it should. In those moments, it's like, okay, well, why do you have to make everything about you? Like, why are you constantly being centered? And I said that to women for Dylan's stuff too.

I'm like, why do you feel the need to center yourself in a trans woman's experience? Right. Why is that all of a sudden about you? Yeah. And it's not. It's literally not. It's not. It's same thing with women.

Like the feminist movement. Like, why are you asking about yourself when I'm talking about me? Right. I don't give a fuck about you. Y'all are doing fine. Y'all are doing great. Like, you're doing super, super awesome without us. So, like, it's so funny, too, because when I was in New York, I did a podcast and she was

really great. And she asked me a question. She was like, do you ever think that we're being too mean to men? Like, especially on the internet. And I was like, uh, the short answer is no. No, not at all. In fact, I don't think I'm being mean enough. I feel like I need to up my numbers this quarter personally.

Absolutely. I was like, honestly, if there were no rules on TikTok, I would be even meaner. I'd be a thousand times meaner. Men would never come back to the internet. And they don't already. And that's with me fighting with one hand tie behind my back. I was like, if they could really, if they cut the brakes off my bitch, I would go crazy. I'd go absolutely and say.

I love it. But I can't. I'm tied by the man. The man. They got me. I was like, so no, I don't. And I was like, also, have you seen that? new thing that's going on right now in New York.

Where women are getting punched. Yeah, just sucker punched. It's so infuriating. It's so infuriating. But it just shows how angry men are. Yeah. And that they're just like aligning now in droves to just punch women in the face. For no reason. And you know what's awful too about that is I was thinking this morning like obviously there are men just being awful in general. And then now that women are being open and posting about it, I feel like there are men who are just doing it because they can. now because if a million women are getting punched, right, and all these men look different, they have a chance to, like, hide and hide in there.

So they're like, now's my chance to go punch a bitch. Just do it. What is the matter with you? So sickening. It's so, because they just want women to be afraid. I know. And that's what is so infuriating. Like, it's just like, I'm glad that these women are making these videos and talking about

it. But at the same time, now you're just having women just be afraid. Like, we're not supposed to be in the street. You're not supposed to be walking around. Absolutely. And it's like in broad daylight, outside. All different kinds of men. Yeah.

And there's people outside at the same time. It's not like a late night thing or anything, which makes it extra horrifying. Yeah. And a while ago, too, I made a video like talking about how like, I think there was this girl that went viral because she was saying like one of her friends got beat up because she tried standing up for her. And then the girl didn't do anything and she just kind of watched. And so that girl was getting dragged all over the internet for that. And she was like, I didn't even know her that well. and blah blah, and I'm like, well, that's extra awful.

Like, you watch someone get the shit kicked out of her defending you, and now you're like, well, fuck her, which is so awful. But I basically said, like, when I was younger, like, when I was in college, I was like borderline insane when it came to men pissing me off in public. Like, I had no fear, which is not a good thing. And I've told people I had no fear at all. I've squared up with men multiple fucking times. I didn't give a shit any time.

And I was like, but that was just because I felt so strongly that, like, no one else is going to do it, only we're going to do it. Like women and LGBTQIA plus people, like we have to stick together. Yeah. Because they're not going to fucking do anything. Like whenever they wield that fuckass,

like, well, what are you going to do when you need protection? What are you going to do? I'm like, well, I'm sure as fuck not calling you because you don't do anything. I was like the amount of times I've been objectified. I've been assaulted in public like, you know, being grab assed, whatever the fuck. You know how many fucking men were around me and didn't do anything? The only person who did anything was fucking me.

I was like, so I'm not relying on you, bitches for anything. Absolutely I'm fucking not. So I was telling women like all we have is community. Right. So like don't let men ruin that too. Like don't turn on each other. Don't start saying like, well, that's not of my business. Like I don't give a fuck if I know that bitch or I hate her. I'm not. Absolutely fucking not. No. I don't care. I don't give a shit. Even if I despise that woman, I'm still doing something. That's right. And I feel like that's probably the extra scary thing about the New York stuff too is like obviously it's happening frequently and rapidly right now. And then it's like in broad daylight, there's, there's no pattern to it.

It's just so random. And then on top of that, there are people around who aren't doing anything. Yeah. And I feel like sometimes people are like, well, you know, stand, you know, when people get nervous or whatever, like they have that standard by kind of like thing where they just don't do anything because they like freeze, which like is, okay, that's fine. A valid trauma response, that's fine. But like I feel like we need to push past that when women are being targeted.

And step up. Like let's do something. You don't have to physically get involved, but like you could call someone. Yeah. who could like go take care of you know what i mean there's whatever it is because the first one i saw the girl said she was laying on the ground and the guy was just standing over her like screaming at her so scary and who the fuck was there no one around you yeah and she said there were people around her and they just weren't doing anything yeah like minding their business or ignoring it and i'm like oh hell

no but that's terrifying and one of my one of my friends teppy she made one she goes honestly guys i'm going through it right now and she lives in new york and she's like i'm going through a rough time right now so um nobody better punch me because i have nothing to lose yeah she's I'm nothing to lose. That's right. Don't you dare do that to me. That's the last thing I have is just being able to walk in the sun. Now that the weather's being nice, she's like, I'm not letting you take that shit from me.

No. Which I'm like, real. That's super real. Okay. Last comment on this one. He just wrote, shut up, woman should be better mother. Okay. Well, he looks like he would say that.

I wish I could show a picture of him, but he's not very good looking if you can believe at Margaret. When somebody says woman, shut up woman. I mean, that's all I need. I've heard enough. That's so... Shut up, woman. Okay.

Okay, no, for sure. Bye. Okay, well, fuck him. I'm not even going to spend time on that bullshit-ass comment. I'll wrap us up right now, but we talked about all kinds of stuff, especially about intersectionality and how important it is and, like, community. But obviously, your legacy is comedy and, like, being such a pillar for women in comedy. So I would love to know what your best piece of advice is for women, especially women of color who want to come up in comedy,

but also feel very strongly that they want to like stand in their morals. And like, you know, it's really hard, especially in Hollywood to like with conviction, stand with your morals. And at the same time not live in fear of like not being hired, not getting, you know, any jobs or whatever it is. So like I would love to know what your best piece of advice is for aspiring female comics. Just to value your voice above all that your voice is the most important and to get it out. out there is so important not just for you but for so many people totally you don't even know how many people that you're going to help with your truth yeah so just don't be afraid yeah and just get out there and do it love period thank you so much margaret for coming on the show you're

an icon a legend i love you too i'm honored to have had you i'm so honored thank you you're amazing and thank you all so much for joining us on this episode of the comment section show where can everybody find you people can find me um i uh on my tour dates are on margaret show dot com i'm on Instagram at Margaret underscore show and I'm on TikTok too at The Margaret Show. Period. Make sure y'all go follow Margaret on literally everything. I know y'all probably already know who Margaret is but make sure you all go see Margaret on tour as well. That's going to be amazing. I can already feel it. Feel it in my bones. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I adore you. You're amazing. Thank you everyone for joining us. Don't forget new episodes

of the comment section drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms but the video lives for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, Spotify. Thank you so much for watching. Thank you to my amazing guest, Margaret Cho, and I'll see you next week. Bye!