The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - FELLAS, IS IT GAY TO LOVE? Ft. Lucy Dacus | Episode 219

Episode Date: April 29, 2026

Lucy Dacus is here on the show this week!! Drew and Lucy talk her new single, telling men to smile more, dog alopecia, enlisting in therapy, first concerts, why love is not corny, Titanic conspiracy theories, the time Lucy got stuck in quicksand in Scotland, and so much more.Lucy IG: https://www.instagram.com/lucydacus/Lucy Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lucydacusFollow The Comment Section on IG: https://www.instagram.com/thecommentsection/Shop Mother's Day Beauty Gifts at SephoraVisit Macy’s to discover the new Calvin Klein euphoria elixirs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Capitalism is evil and crushing and soulless and awful. And that's why when I think about for-profit healthcare, it like truly makes me want a man Gioni. Yeah. You say his name. I'm not going to say his name. Yeah, say his name. Everyone and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show. Sorry, me, your favorite.

Everybody knows me who cares about me. On to the guest. Today we have the icon, the legend. Lesbians, let me fucking hear you. Lucy Dakesh! So everyone's lesbian? Oh yeah, yes, for the most part, yes. Cool.

Yeah, for the most part, yes. Even when I told Chappel, I was like, everyone that works for me and with me is gay, she's like, I can tell. Yeah. I think everyone is really hoping that's an arc for you. I know. But don't worry about it.

You know what? Love is love. Yeah. Love is love. I'm so glad you guys could support me and my heteronormativity. But like literally. This episode is presented by Sephora. So, what are you getting your mom this Mother's Day?

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I know, I told a couple people I was like, oh yeah, I'm gonna have Lucian, my sister, who is a lesbian, I do bring her up all the time. She's been a big fan of yours forever. But I was like, I have climbed the top of lesbian mountain now that I've had you. I'm at the top. You're at the very top, you're on the mountain Rushmore.

I'm lonely at the top. But you're an icon and a living legend. I'm happy to all. honored to have you. Thank you. Likewise. And we have met before. We did like a year ago. Yes. At the El John party. Yes. And that was such a strange environment. It really was. I really enjoyed it. I had a blast. I got absolutely trashed at that party. Yeah, at that party. I didn't notice that. Well, it was a little bit after I talked to. I like to leave early. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was like, I've seen what I need to see. Yeah. You're like, well, I'm done here.

Yeah. I appreciate that about you. I had a heart to heart with machine gun Kelly and left. Yeah. That's exactly what I was going to bring up because I distinctly remember you telling me about your heartfelt moment with MGK. And only because he walked by and said bye to you. And you were like, hey, smile more. And then you walked away and I said, so what was that? Did you want to elaborate on that or no? And you were like, oh, we were having like a heart to heart at the table. It's true. Like I was like, I was like, like, what's this guy's deal? I feel like there's a lot of like he seems very serious and and he was wearing cord headphones. He did yeah he he ultimately wasn't having a great day turns out and me and Katie Gavin also on who we love being lesbian mountain yes also on lesbian mountain along with the other two we just like kind of heard him out and like just got real that's the thing is if you leave your house and you have your heart open anything can happen the possibilities

possibilities are endless. The possibilities are endless. But I was like, my guy, if you smile, the people would have a harder time, like, it's true, making fun. If you're in on the joke, like, people will think that your whole life is different. Right. Not to be a man on the street, like smile. No, but honestly, there is something truly beautiful and poetic about a lesbian telling a man, a straight man, you need to smile more. That's going to speak to them. That makes my, but it also, like, scientifically, like, really helps you. I agree. When you smile, it tells your brain something.

The endorphins. Yeah. I'm not a scientist. It's all about the, like, motions of it. Sometimes you got to fake it so you make it. Yes. I agree with that. Yeah.

Especially about happiness. I feel like maybe he has been smiling a little bit more. I don't know. All thanks to you. Yeah. What can't you do? You could do so much. You got so much already.

But you are truly a living legend. I'm genuinely so honored to have you. You keep saying that. What the hell? It's true. I believe it. Okay. I believe it to be true.

But also, I do want to know how you're feeling lately. How's life going for you? Lately? I feel good. It's nice to be home. I was just on tour for a long time. Just moved recently. Like, very excited to be hanging out with my dog.

Do you have pets? Yes, I have two dogs. What kind of dog do you have? I have like a hound mutt, like crazy girly. Oh, cute. Yeah. What dogs do you have? I have two Frenchies.

Derogatory. I know. But like I did adopt them And one of them is completely deaf Do you have photos or do we do this later? Of course I do It's my show We can do whatever we want here

This is them Oh Yeah this one's my deaf one His name's Tuna And this is Squid I know their names are a huge hit Every time I tell people their names They love them

Yeah and I got Squid first So he's the oldest And then we adopted Tuna And he's completely deaf So like he couldn't like Put him with a, the guy I adopted him from actually said he tried to take him to like a rescue because he like couldn't have him anymore. And then they said like they didn't have any room, but

they said please don't take him to a shelter because they'll put him down because he's deaf. And so he listed him on like a find your pet thing. And so that's how I found him. I feel emotional. I was going to say you look emotional. I'm like shaking. I have like whatever baby peer is for dogs. Me too. I think we're going to get another dog soon. Do you have like a lady came up to us on the street and was like, could you take a dog? And we were like, maybe. Yeah, and we like got her number. Oh, nice. Did she say what kind of dog? Uh, it looks like Scooby-Doo. That's what we know. Like a marmaduke kind of dog. So we'll see if that works out. But they're, big dog. Yeah, I'm open to a dog walking into my life. Oh my God. Yeah, you're like the universe.

It's like the, what do they call it when people have like cats and they're like, oh, if you're nice to the universe, the cat exchange principle or whatever will like give it back to you. The cat. There's That is nice to you if you're nice? There's just like this idea that like if you're open to the universe, you may find a stray cat that loves you and is really cute. And that's what is it? Cat distribution system. That's what it is. Yes, that one.

Wow. But I believe that about dogs too. But I can't, I think I'm capped at the two just because because they are Frenchies, they are allergic to everything. And it is taxing. They're so cute. I can't get over that. I know. They're unbelievably cute.

Let me see. And Squid recently started getting alopecia. Don't know what that says. God doesn't give with both hands. I'm sorry. You can laugh. Why is it? Why do they pick such a funny word?

For that. Well, he has dog alopecia. So it's honestly only on his butt, which is even funnier. He has butt alopecia. Yeah, butt alopecia. If you can believe it. My special boy. And he is very annoying, but he is also the best.

This is beans. Beans. Oh my gosh. My mom has a dog named Beans. Really? Cute. Yeah, there's there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, she looks beautiful. She's so, um, communicative. Oh, really? She'll look at me like, and I know exactly what's going on. She'll, she'll, she'll, like, look at you and make eye contact and, like, stamp her feet on the ground. Yeah. I'm like, what do you need? She tells us what she needs. I know I talk, I talk to both my dogs, even though one of them can't hear me. I still, I still, I still, yeah, I still, I still, yeah. I still, I still, I'm. I'm. I'm. I'm. Yeah. I I'm saying the energy is flowing through me to him.

But I literally had like a nervous breakdown crying randomly the other day because I was on my period, but also because I was thinking about my dog Tuna who's deaf. And he used to not really like being pet on the head or like kissed on the head because it's like oversimulating to him, I think, because he can't hear. So he likes to like see all the time. And but lately like I would say the last like year, he's been really open to like kisses on the head and the face.

But now he closes his eyes, which means he trusts me. I'm going to make myself cry. I'm going to make myself cry. I'm making me and Lucy cry. It's so, it's so beautiful. And then I think about how pure, like,

a dog's love is. It truly moves me. Like, I'm like, I can't do it. My therapist was recently trying to compare me and my dad. Like, I was, like,

talking about this is way too deep while at the camera scene. I should have just asked you for dinner. I had a feeling this is going to happen. But, like, I was talking about how, Sometimes it feels like if I have needs, it's like a detriment to my relationships. And then people are going to leave me if I have needs.

And then she was like, what about your dog? Your dog has needs. And it's simple that your dog has needs. I can't think about that. I'll start crying. I got to chill. Yeah, I can't think about that. But then I was like, people do think she has bad behavior and it does alienate some people.

And my therapist is like, let's back up. Let's find a different. That's how I feel. Yeah, because she is losing friends for being just really ripped. friendly and so she hurts people not like biting but she'll she'll try to put her tongue in your mouth and she'll literally push you into a seated position so that she can stand on you that's crazy you say that because my first dog squid when i had him he had like a lot of energy like frenchies generally have a lot of energy but he just loves to play and he loves people he loves dogs he

loves everyone. So like it was a lot like because he's like going crazy. And so like we trained him. Like he's very trained and he's a very good boy. He doesn't bark. He doesn't chew things up, nothing. But he was just kind of annoying because he's a lot like a lot. Like it jumps on people too. Yeah. And my dog Tuna, it worked out because I was like, I need to get him a friend because and that's probably like you need to get her friend. Yeah. Because it really did regulate him like having another buddy. But because Tuna is completely deaf, like he doesn't get him. get oversimulated when he plays with him. Because that was the whole thing with dogs.

Like, he's just making so much noise that they would like snap at him and then run away. That's so perfect. I know. So now he's completely deaf so he doesn't care. Like all he can make all the noise he wants and it doesn't bother him. And also Tuna loves to stand on people. That's his favorite thing. I have no clue.

But he's like a billy goat. Like he'll literally stand like on my sternum. Yeah. And he's 30 pounds. Do they want eye contact? Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, like, like breathing in my face like this close.

Did you know that? The dogs didn't have eyebrows until recently. What? Yes. Like the bone or like just the appearance? So they are using their eyebrows to communicate with us. They are copying humans. I'm so glad you gave me that piece of inspiration.

And like when I now look at dogs eyebrows and they're very active, I'm like, you are doing your best human impression. You're trying to do our emotions. And also like, like, Bean's is like Julian's dog. And so I'm like, you are doing Julian's faces right now. Oh, my God, I can't think about that. Yeah. I'm getting married this year. You are?

I am. And August. Thank you. Does that come? Yes. Like, we, if you're available, you're invited. Okay. That's so, I love weddings.

Oh, yeah, I'm like, I am. I'm getting married this summer, which I'm excited about. But it is killing me that I can't bring my dogs. Why can't you? I'm having a destination wedding and where I'm going when I fly them, they have to be quarantined for like two, three weeks and like they're bonded to each other. I can't like separate them from me from each other. Plus flying Frenchies is like so tricky. But like, yeah, but I'm very like devastated at the thought of it. But they've been with us from the very beginning. So like we got squid, I think like a couple years into being together.

Like three or four years. Yeah, I would say. Y'all are so cute together by the way. Thank you. Do you hear this every day? Wait, what? Do you hear this every day? I don't know if I'm covering much trodden ground. Yeah.

No, I mean, like, I do get that a lot, yes. But I think it's a beautiful thing. I'll take it every time, to be honest with you. Good God. Thank you. I think the two of you are really beautiful together as well. Beautiful couples. I love when hot people date hot people.

So fun. It's the best. Yeah. It's like a two plus two equals 13. No, I know. And I think, too, like the, because of my heteronormative My man is like obviously very good looking, but he's also very genuinely nice. And I think that's like when people meet him, they're like, damn, that's for real.

Like that sucks. And I was like, well, yeah, you should know that because he's with me. Yeah. You should know that he's a good guy because he's with me especially. Yeah, you're not going to be. I run a real strict program. Yeah. With men especially.

No scrubs. Yeah, exactly. And that's why I think even. Sometimes now, like my fans too will, like you said earlier, like they're hoping for a lesbian arc for me. And I was like, it's a compliment. Right. You don't have to do it. It's the highest of compliments.

Trust me. Don't do anything. You don't feel comfortable. Yeah. Just don't, don't, don't feel pressured. And you know what's funny is like I've said before like in college, I for real thought, like maybe I am gay. Like I had that conscious thought. I was like, maybe I am gay because I hated men even more than than I do.

now and even now it hasn't lessened necessarily. I think I just, I took a lot of my anger out of it. Now I've learned to laugh at it a lot more and like move past it. When I was younger, I was like, all the time. I just felt like constantly angry. So I was like, maybe I just, maybe I'm not attracted to them. So I did sample with women and it just didn't take. Yeah.

I tried. I was like, let me try and like see. And it just didn't take. One of my favorite archetypes is a straight man that had a bunch of gay sex. It was like, not for me. it's a it's a rare thing but i've met these people and i'm like that's all they find out they're straight it's like the reverse yeah they were open to it i'm like that is you must be very open yeah i was like that's that's amazing yeah yeah i believe you also what you said you've done

so that's based and cool right and i think too that's why um i think it's my and everything about me sometimes my lesbian friends i've joked about this on the show before they'll be like talking to me and then in the middle of conversation they'll be like I forget I forgot you're straight that sucks that sucks I'm like that sucks I'm like I know but at least I'm not all truly just frankly that's that's I know it sounds like woo-woo but like there's no archetype better than actual love I agree yeah I agree yeah and I think I think too I'm like I I think I'm someone who knows that I'm a straightie. So I am a guest in the house of all my gay friends,

which is how I see it. And I've said this to someone before too, because like one time I saw this video of this girl and she was like crying because she was realizing that her and one other girl are the only straight people in their group and everybody else is a lesbian. And she was like, now I'm thinking like, they're only hanging out with me,

but I'm the lame one in this group because I'm straight. And I was, it was really funny video, but I commented on and I was like, honestly, me too. Wear it with pride. Lesbians are notoriously picky. Yeah. Lesbians are extremely picky. If you're in, you're in.

Yeah, like far pickier than gay men too. So like they're very picky with straight girls. Yeah. Because straight girls can be annoying. And I know that as a straight girl. I can say that as a straight girl. I wonder if I was the annoying straight friend before. I don't think so.

You don't think so? I don't think so only because you're true to this in lesbian. So I feel like it's always been a piece of you. So maybe that kept the annoying at bay. I know I was annoying, but that's because I'm a straighty. So I was like, I knew I was annoying when I was younger. And then I grew out of it. Thank God. Now I'm annoying for good. Like I'm annoying for good. You're using powers for good. Yeah, I'm using my powers for good. Yeah. My evil I use against men. That's also for good. What is your evil? What I mean to them. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. When I like roast them and make fun of them. Yeah. Tell them like they're awful and terrible. Mm-hmm. It's just kind of my thing.

I think that was another reason why two people were like, oh, then she's either straight or gay. And I was like, no, I'm not, I am straight, I'm not gay, but I'm definitely not single either. So that's kind of a bummer for them. Interesting. That was always their gotcha on me, men. Okay. They're always like, oh, you're probably single. Wrong.

Well, your man's probably ugly. Wrong. You're going to really hate the rest of the answers to the questions. Oh, my God. I mean, I probably hate men less than. than you. I feel like you have enough friends, especially like friends who are trans men. Yes. And you're like, you're just like, I want to love the man that you're becoming.

And then like, I agree. People's interest in masculinity. I love masculinity. I agree. Yeah. Well, and I think about masculinity too and femininity. I always remind myself too. And I remind people all the time that like gender is so not real. Like gender is such a social construct. Yeah. So like releasing it. and all that comes with it is like such a freedom to give yourself. Yeah.

And I actually saw one of my girlfriends posted video recently where she said, like, you'll never know true freedom as a woman until you make peace with being found, like to being thought of as a bitch or ugly or undesirable. My birth mother told me this. Really? She was like, just wait. You're going to get to be an age where you become invisible. Right.

And you are going to experience freedom and you're going to finally get to know yourself. I just got chills. Isn't that wild? That is crazy. She's dropping heat all the time. She said this other thing, which I repeat every chance I can get, where she was like when I was, I think 50, I found anger like it was under the bed. And I was angry because I had needed it my whole life. Damn.

That shit's in your bloodline then, girl. Yeah. Your artistry is in your bloodline. It sounds like I'm not very good at being angry. Like, I'm probably the angriest I ever am. in music like I I have a goal to like get more

I mean I'm angry about a lot right there's you could pick any old thing yeah for real you just look in a direction and there's something to be angry about yeah I agree but yeah I want to get I want to get angrier yeah

I mean that's good I need to I feel like for me too I've talked a lot about anger as an emotion like because I think the way I blew up on social and stuff and like the very specific niche that I carved out. It's always, when I would do interviews, they'd be like, oh, have you always been this way?

Like something terrible happened. Or they'll be like, what is this way? Yeah, like, yeah, this way, exactly. Like funny? Yeah, I'm assuming it's like hating men, which I like, I say hating men and it's very like nothing burger statement to me when I say hate men because I don't think about them ever. So like I never consider them. I don't care about them.

Like hate, I guess is like, uh, too strong of a word, but like, yeah, but I can hate them. They're very easy. So cold. Right. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah, I was like, what's worse? Like, anger and difference. Like, I feel so indifferent towards them. Um, in so many ways in the fact that I just don't factor them ever. And so like I, I feel like when I would talk about it, I'd say, like, I think a lot of reason why women and other people especially have found, like, community with me is because I've, like, validated the choice to be angry. Yeah. Like, to, to be upset about it like and however that manifest is really up to you for me it's it's like when i'm disrespected or

attacked then i'm going to disrespect you back and then we're just going to call it even like that's how i've always responded to disrespect and i think that's why people have found like community in my in my content and stuff because it's like it's okay if you're upset like it's okay if it annoys you it's okay if you want to be mean back that's okay it's also everyone's dream to like have a clap back for the ages right like it's every like you're clever and so like watching you be able to be like oh I can hand it back everyone wants to hand it back but it's sometimes so shocking in the moment right especially after like if you have a lifetime of being disrespected it's like oh oh I'm having my familiar feeling and um okay the seconds have passed

and everyone's moved on and you don't get to have that like immediate like retribution and absolutely so it's very fun to watch well and it's also I think also too it's like indicative of how women especially, but anyone who's not a straight cis man has been conditioned, which is like to give pause. So it's like, well, I have to be careful what I say because what if what I say is offensive or what if what I say hurts them. But men never think that way. Like men, men think things and say them. They don't they don't have pause. They don't have like, how is this going to make everybody in the room feel? Only women and other people have that. Like they, they were like, I've said before like men are used to being considered and women are used to considering others so it's like

we're like conditioned that way from the jump like to to think of everyone how is this going to affect everyone how is this can make everyone feel yeah including perpetrators like including people who are actively pushing harm on us we're thinking like well I don't you know that's where that high road shit comes from oh I like to take the high road oh you should take the high road what is the high road And why is it only populated by women and gay people? Yeah. Why are we the only ones up there? Where are all the men?

How come they never got to take that? Why are we building houses on the high house? Yeah. Why are we doing that and everything fucking else at the same time? And I think I've talked about that too in regards to like responding to hate because sometimes when men say awful shit about me means nothing to me. And then when I say awful shit back, they get offended, like, which is hilarious to me. Yeah.

And everyone else on the internet. But it's also hilarious because the problem is not. It is what I said, but it's more so the fact that it doesn't bother me what they said. So they're like, I would never fuck you. Neither would I. Cool. Yeah. Well, then I think, at that point, I'm like, well, we have a lot in common then because

I wouldn't fuck you either. So we're just two ugly bitches yelling at each other. Is that what we're doing? We're just sitting here roasting each other. Like, what's the point? Maybe we should be friends. Yeah. We shouldn't.

But I think that all the time. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, we have a lot of goals, like similar. Yeah. But it's, it doesn't, they think to themselves, like, I don't want to fuck you, but like, I can't believe you don't want me to fuck you. Also, like, what made you think that? Right.

You were thinking about it. You jumped somewhere. Yeah. You were already there. Right. And then my personality was too good for you. A little too much. You demoted yourself just now by saying that.

Yeah, but when I, yeah, tell them. Tell them. I'm telling you. I feel like that's like, in my head, it's a. always been extremely simple to me, like that concept. But when I started doing this for living, I found out really quickly that is not very common, like that kind of belief. And I think this is like kind of a weird jump, but not, and we can cut this if you don't want to. But like the whole chapel discourse recently has been pissing me off the way people are treating her. But either way,

it's a sciop, right? Right. For real. For real. Like I, I agree. Yeah. Yeah. But also I was like, you guys don't care. Because I saw some, some women saying, like, like, well, you could have just come on here and apologize. For what? Like, again, for what? Right? But again, it's why, why do you pedestalize women like that? Women are forced to apologize for things they didn't do.

They weren't there for it. They didn't see because you think they should. So the problem is not what happened. The problem you have is that she's not sorry and doesn't care that you want her to be sorry for whatever the fuck it is. I was like, that's the part you're struggling with. You're struggling with the fact that she doesn't care. Like she doesn't care how you personally feel towards how she feels because how she feels is how she feels.

And I was like, it's very, it's okay for women to be like, I'm sorry that happened. I didn't do anything though. It's okay for women to do that. It's all right. Like I've, trust me, I've done it many times. Yeah. Like I've had, I've had men say terrible things that I've done to others, which I'm like, no, I haven't. And they're like, well, you said something mean.

We'll see, now we're having a different conversation. Yeah. You want me to blanket apologize for anything ever? Why? And do men ever do that? And I also think when they start holding famous men to that level of standard, then I'll start entertaining it. That would be interesting.

Right. As soon as you start holding men to that level of care, you let me know. You know, it's like dark is I think some people wish they were being stalked. I think some people think it's romantic. Some people like, or it's awesome. They think like, oh, it's so cool to have people flooding your, you should be grateful that people are yeah uh clamoring for your personal life and it's like actually no and not a single one of you would enjoy this and if you did you are more sick than the people right i've said

that for so oh my god if you think that this is enjoyable or worth invitation like that is an illness that what was sold to you to believe that right it's either deep deep deep deep deep ignorance or deep psychosis or like just insecurity like do you need a thousand people to scream love at you right you're right like it's really you better get a bitch that's not what life is about like that is not it's true and you know I did a college talk recently and a girl asked me one of the questions at the end she was like you know you know you're really successful creator and like you started doing other stuff as someone who wants to do that like do you have any advice advice for us or like for preparation, whatever. And I was like, I'm assuming you mean being an

influencer, right? Which I'm like, you should not aspire to that. Oh my God. Oh my God. Stay in school. I literally told there. I said, first of all, don't aspire to that. Second of all, stay in school. I was like, but third, like I really want to encourage those of you who like think when you see, like whether it's influencer or someone like you, someone like chapel, anyone famous, right, in any part of Hollywood. If you see that and you're like, that looks awesome, I want to do that. I really want you to understand like what you sacrifice to get it. Like, and I said like, I don't believe the Illuminati is real. But the exchange that they describe in the Illuminati where you have to sell your soul in order to get it, right?

Fame, money, whatever it is. There is a sacrifice. There is something you give up in order to get this. And it's sometimes not worth it. And I was like, and I didn't know that. Like I didn't know that. I had no way of fucking knowing that that would happen to me. because like I'm speaking of therapy I joined therapy when I started doing this thank God because I

I love join therapy like it's join the army I enlisted in therapy I enlisted into the therapy that's my kind of conscription that's what I'm talking about yes and I it's because I had the money so I was like hell yeah I want to go to therapy I had no way of knowing how much I was going to talk about like how hard this is and not like the work itself is obviously hard and a lot but it's like being perceived at that level and being ripped apart and dissected many other ways and being followed, being asked for pictures in public, being bothered in public. I had no way of knowing that that was how that was going to make me feel. And I was like recently telling her that like, I would say a couple months ago, that I feel like I started

developing agoraphobia. Because I'm like, every time I leave, it's like, oh my God, what are you doing here? Oh my God. Can I have a picture? Oh my God. What are you buying? Do you live around here? Yeah. And it's overwhelming. Well, here's the part of the. of the reason why is whoever is in there thinks they're hanging out with us you right right like they think and you're talking like how they would want to listen to their friend but with no reciprocal right like you're you're probably so cool whoever you are for being here and if we really got lunch we probably all enjoy each other's company right but you're not here right we're not your friends and like and like love love but like like

I mean, I've seen this show and I'll be like this in my bed. I'm not participating. Right. But I'll get the whiff of friendship with whoever you're talking to. Right. And I think there must be like, again, we need a scientist on the case. Right. If this is replacing socially people's actual real life relationships to other people, like this is not going to cut it for you.

No. Oh my God. No. The pariscial relationship. Yeah. And you're right because it's like younger generations, COVID didn't help either. But it's really like killed like in person connection. And like, and then because it feels so close and because of social media and you feel like you have windows into people's lives, you feel like you know them and you feel like you can talk to them however you want.

The way that people approach me sometimes. Sometimes like one time my sister and I did like we were on tour a couple years ago to promote my book and we were on a comedy tour. And we did meet and greets at every stop. and one of them was this girl walked up to us and she goes, what's up you fucking bitches? I said, oh. I said, I was so glad I wasn't drinking tea when you said that. And every time I tell my friends, they're like, oh.

And I'm like right out the gate, like looking at me in the eyes. What's up, you fucking bitches? Hey. What's your name? Nice to meet you. What's up you fucking bitch? Like, is that what you say, that? Like is that the desired response?

I have no, I have no clue. The amount of women, even like if I go to like something like a Coachella, if I go to like something where people are drunk, like that's probably the worst. And they'll come up and they'll be like, this fucking bitch. This fucking bitch. They always call me a bitch. I don't know. Hey, I don't know what that is.

But like I get it. Like I use the vernacular and bitch is a genderless term in my vocabulary personally. Yeah. But I... Sometimes girl is a genderless term. I use girl as a genderless term all the time. Queen, diva. Yeah.

Boy. Yeah. And I think like, you're right. It's, it has, because of the access, like, through social media, it has really blurred the lines of, like, relationship connection to, like, famous people. And I genuinely never thought that I would be so, like, sick to my stomach to go in public. Yeah. I, like, never in my life thought I would, I'm on meds now.

Thank. That's out meds, love anxiety meds. But I just really never thought that I would ever be someone who needed something like that in that capacity. And I think it's because I also had an ignorance about, I think, celebrity culture. Because when I was younger, I was like a fan girl too of like, I was a big Jonas Brother girl. Oh, wow. At one point. It was funny because my first fan girl.

Ash my friend Ashley was here to talk to you. Oh, man. We could keep down about the Jonas Brothers. Yes. My first phase, though, fan girl was with my chemical romance. Okay. That was my first. That's a really beautiful hallowed hall of fandom.

Yeah. I think people who've ever loved MCR are the best people. I'm telling you. All my friends who are like still going to the MCR shows are a little dark angels. Right. For real. My sister and I, like, that was my very first concert was the Black Parade when I was 10, which is crazy. That really shapes a guy.

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Oh, fun. I saw, um, let me, so the first concert I went to with my friends, without my parents, was Jack's Manichin opening for the fray. Oh, okay. And we sat in the parking lot and we went to our seat. and we all belaborate our outfits for like three months. And we were all wearing, I'm pretty sure, a knitted beanie

and a different color flannel shirt over a camisole. Oh, of course. But yeah, Jack's Manickin, those songs, if I hear that, it's gonna, it's... Takes you back. Yeah, I'm singing in a destructive way to my vocal cords. I'm singing in a way that jeopardizes my job. Yeah. That's so fun.

That's so fun. What's been a really fun concert you've been to recently or a really awesome one? Saw Mitzki last night. She's amazing. And it was so cool because, like, I have been seeing her since she was playing, like, 100-Cap venues. No way. This show is the course you're on the ground floor of Midski.

Yeah. Of course you are. Yeah, she's a friend. She's, like, she's a legend. She is. Yeah. Hell yeah. But this show was the most similar to how she started, I think, like, very, very.

rock and like loose and yeah she's playing a Hollywood high school for a week but what else you got a lot going on I want to talk more about music with you can you tell me what you got going on right now coming up of my music yes I have one song and it's called Planning Tomatoes literally just one okay

did you hear it no I have it I should like play it off my phone you can okay yeah well no leaks here I wish that you'd heard it yeah It's about how life is short and how do you go through the day knowing that it will end and that it will end for everyone that you love. So you're like this. It's so cute.

But it's like about how. It is cute. The melody is very cute. Yeah. It's fun. And it's like about having little ideas that like you need to execute your ideas is a reason. to stay alive. And just like, it's a little bit about reflecting on, I'm like older now than some people

that I have lost. And that's really odd. And sometimes it can feel like, how dare I have a good day? And then other days I'm like, that's the best thing I can do is have a good day. Yeah. And like everyone who has loved me and has gone would ideally want me to have a good day. Yeah, absolutely. keep on my little pursuits that even if they don't matter they might so yeah might as well as long as

as long as they matter to you yeah yeah like and that's so i i think that's beautiful and poignant which is honestly your m-o for everything you put out is beautiful and poignant and so artistic but i i also think too it's especially imperative right now because the world is so scary and awful right now that like it almost like force well first of all that's why art is thriving unfortunately art is thriving i would say in the sense people are putting out some of their best pieces of work who's somebody thriving right now hmm artistically bad bunny oh that loved him he was my top artist of 2025 yeah he's in my top i'll say chapel too why not yeah i'll say chapel too why not yeah i don't care if that album's old i don't give a no yeah old also like like old in the history of time in the history of time no no

to people, they're like, um, the album came out years ago. Some music is Evergreen. Yeah. Even like Lady Gaga's newest album, I loved her album. I loved Cowboy Carter. So I loved Beyonce's latest album too. There's just so many bangers being put out. I feel like in a time of really tumultuous geopolitical conflict just generally, it's awful right now. Yeah. Even Moona. Muna putting out some bangers. Oh, we love Muna. And I think your messaging behind the song is beautiful because it's like sometimes when things are really awful like we have no choice but to stay present and like to try and enjoy life and like really enjoy things that matter like put more time and pour more into the things that we really love and that bring us joy there's like a part of it's so weird to say

your own lyrics but like it's like you have to live the life you're fighting for like I think a lot of anyone's time could and should be sped. been working towards a world that they want to see. But I know so many friends in organizing, they get burnt out so easily. And I'm like, you need to be having fun. Like you're here trying to build and defend the world that you want. But like you can also like sit back and live it to remind yourself that it's worth fighting for in the first place.

Totally. Absolutely. And it plays into the earlier conversation we had about connection. Because like connecting to other people, humans in love and friendship and community like that's what i think so i got asked a question in interview once when they're like when things are terrible like they are now like what do you think about that makes you feel good or want to keep going and i was like honestly community like that that's like the only thing that matters in times like now and it's like connection to other people people who love you

and care about you and cherish you and like and that means like i always talk about platonic love being like just as if not more important than romantic love highest form of love no for real like it's it's I feel like when I think about it too long especially how women connect to each other I'll cry because I think about how beautiful it is that women have this expansive huge colorful world of emotions that they can reach out and share with other women like and I've said like before like I know what it's like to be loved because I've been loved by women like women especially yeah like the warmth and love from women is incomparable to anyone else and I think that's why I also hold such a high standard for men

because I know what real love feels like, like for real. So it's got to match that at the very fucking least. Because I think that's really all we have at the end of the day. All we really have is each other. Right. And I think that's why when people are really homophobic or transphobic, it makes me so fucking angry. But also I'm like, that sucks for you.

A life with no gay people or trans people. Boring. Literally like my stomach just saying. I know. Like if I had to just like not you for real. And my, I've luckily been raised around gay people my whole life because my mom plays piano for community theater.

Love that. Richmond, Virginia. Yeah. Shout out Sandy Dakes. Also retiring from being a music elementary school music teacher this year. Congratulations to her. Good job. Mom.

Good job, mom. But yeah, I just, I can't imagine life without. gay people. Oh my God, me either. Yeah, but I also grew up tangential to that. Like a lot of people I grew up with didn't know any gay people. Yeah. It was a sin.

Like, and I hate to say it, but it's getting worse some places. It might feel like it's getting better in some places, but like I still have a lot of family in the South and they're getting more radicalized and less loving. and just more blatant about their hatred and hatefulness. It's just wild too when like if your main man is Jesus Christ who like was kind to everyone. Yeah, literally. It's kind of his whole thing.

It's kind of his whole thing. Yeah, that was kind of his thing. Yeah, that was kind of his thing. Yeah. Oh my God, my dad is such a cool guy. He gets cooler by the second. Like we had like a time where we weren't as cool. and now we are very close friends.

Oh, yay. And he, like, recently was like, Lucy, I just realized Jesus didn't charge for health care. That's true. He's like, I'm going to go tell my friends that Jesus did not charge for health care. And that's true.

And he means the miracles that Jesus performed on. Amen. Yeah. Works in two ways. I was like, that is a really great observation. Right. That's very true Yeah, try coming back from that one

How's that? You know, it's funny you say that too Because of the other day Have you ever watched the pit The show? I can't handle it Really? I have not seen it

I will not see it I'm not doing that You're too anxious about it It's just like really blood and guts That's true It is a lot of blood and guts I'm like My task at the end of the day

Is to have the heart rate go down Like not up I don't You can't be stressing me out like that. You can't be stressing me out like that. Like, I have to, the best I can do is watch Survivor and. Oh, T. Okay, we'll talk about Survivor in a sec.

But for the Pit, I was going to say, I love the Pit. I've been watching it recently. I bet it's awesome and maybe I will watch it. I'm sorry. It is awesome. But if you do get stressed out by medical shows, definitely don't watch that one. That one is the most stressful medical show. But it's in a fun way, in a cool way.

But I was like talking to my man about this because I was like really high and I was watching the pit. And I was like, if I think too much about hospitals being for profit, it'll make me cry. Like, it'll make me cry and it's so angry. And I'm going to do something drastic. Yeah. I can't think about it for too long. Some people have.

Right. And you know what? You know what? Right. Some people have. Some people have. And yeah, some people could. And yeah.

I don't know anyone. Not personally. Who would? But I do know of it. I know it's happened. Yeah. But, you know, you can't ask me anything about that. But I have no real opinions other than that did happen.

Yeah. And I'm smiling. That's unrelated. Anyways. I was like dipping our toes into like boiling hot water. For real. And it's like it's when I think about for profit health care, I think about doctors being put in these impossible positions and nursing.

where they want to help people. They like literally like want to go to school to learn how to help people just so they can tell them I can't treat you if you can't pay me money. Right. And the money doesn't go to me. And they can't tell you what it's going to cost either.

Right. Here's something for if anyone is listening and you're like really rich, here's something you can do. You can buy people's medical debt at an absolute penny fraction of what they are going to have to pay. Te. And there's some database. Oh, we need to be figuring this out.

Yeah. I click on the link. But you can basically, not through a charity, but through basic the hospital system by people's medical debt. Oh, my God. No way. I'm so glad you shared that with me. And they would be getting interest on it, would go to collections and stuff. So something is someone is like super generous.

Yeah. Hell yeah. I'm glad you told me that, actually. There's something similar to that where you can do that for. for school lunches for kids. So you can like buy out the year for them or buy a debt for them. Like some, that's another thing.

They're like, well, you don't have the money so you can't eat, but you do have to come to school. It's wrong. Weird. Because they need child care so the parents can be doing labor a day. Capitalism is evil and crushing and soulless and awful. And that's why when I think about for profit healthcare,

it like truly makes me want a Mangione. Yeah. Say his name. I'm not going to say his name. Yeah, say his name. You said it. Everyone in my life is like, fuck, capitalism. Yeah.

And I think also a lot of people in my life are starting to figure out, like, how. And, like, in day-to-day, like, how can you personally set up anti-capitalist structures, even if it's just, like, giving without getting anything back? Right. That's, like, there's this book called The Comptialist. communism of love that er was on the show yes love er gave this book to like a ton of us and was like be reading this most er five master gift i've ever the communism is love the communism of love and it's like about how love is innately anti-capitalist because it establishes um joyful imbalances

and it's not an exchange economy like when you love a child the child cannot materially give you back anything with the elderly or the infirm or the ill like there are reasons why they can't pay you back either in like with money or an exchange economy and that is a worthwhile gratifying yes just like breaking in your head that you have to get something at every turn that you do something I know yeah well and also like similar to that in sentiment is um in I'm Samoan so like in in Samoan culture like there's a saying, I can't remember it, but it's like, it's basically like the gift is not in receiving. It's in the giving. And it's specifically referring to money. So like in my culture, we like genuinely believe like you will live a very blessed and favored life if you give like give and with no expectation of receiving. So that's how I've been raised was like is truly to do it because you want to and like give because you want to and the point of money of getting money is to give it away. And to to give it to people who need it. give it to people you love, like to take care of people. And so that's always how I've always felt

about money, like in any regard. Like, I've always been like, well, there's no point in having this if I can't share it. Yeah. And I think now, now that I do this for a living, I've, you know, was able to retire my parents. I retired my uncle. Like, I retired my grandpa. I take care of my family. Yeah. And it's like, it's like the best, most amazing feeling in the world. Yeah. And my parents are still learning how to be okay with being retired because they, well, that's a hard change. Yeah, they've known, well, they've known nothing but work, like, especially my mom and dad. Like, my parents had us very young. So my mom and dad had my sister at 18 and then me at 20. So, like, it's almost like reverse. My mom was always like, we did everything ass backwards.

Like they had us first, then moved in, then got married. That's cool. Yeah, so they did everything completely backwards, which honestly, I think is really funny because it makes even more sense why I've never looked at marriage as like an end goal thing. Because I was with my man for seven years before we got engaged. So which to some people was like the most insane like timeline in the world which I was like, why? Don't you want to know the person before you marry them? Oh my God. I do. Yeah. Want to live together. I can't even. I can't even. I was going to say I can't even kiss you if I don't know. That's not true. I know that's kind of a lie. I'd be kissing. I do but I do love to be kissing. Yeah. I'm notorious friends to lovers. Hell yeah. And how do you? How do you?

you need trust. That's what I'm saying. To have that relationship. I don't get how people do it the other way. Me either. That would kill me. That would kill me. When I see like love is blind, that would kill me.

I actually can't watch that. Me either. No, the pit. No love is blind. Okay, I'm learning your boundaries. Okay, got it. It's the love shows where I'm like, but you don't mean it.

Like, you want something else. You don't actually want love. I agree. You want like to serve a look on, television and be famous and influencer which is I think a sickness I agree but I think also a lot of folks are seemingly disenchanted quickly but then once you're in you're just in it yeah that's true anyways well my point being I think like that was why when I was thinking about getting married I was like I don't really care how it is like how big how small like I just want to be married like

A lot of people have asked me, what are you most excited for for the wedding? This sounds corny as hell, but to get married. Like, I, like, I'm excited to marry the love of my life. Like, that's literally what I'm fired up about. No. Really don't give a fuck. It's a sciop that you would think that's corny. Right.

Whatever is, like, making love corny is, is an actual sci op. You're so right. Like, that's what right was fuck. Oh, love is love. Like, literally, that's beautiful. Shut the fuck up. Like, anybody who thinks that that is not, like, the magic of the universe reason that we're here.

Like, I. So true. It actually makes me worked up. Like, getting worked up about love, I get it. Yes, and how people think that it's like, goche or like, uh, buyable or just an aesthetic or, or girly also, the fact that like if love is girly, like that's a problem.

Like, don't be putting it on the girls to do the loving. They're like, fellas, is it gay to love? That's it gay to love. Is it gay to love? Kind of. Someone tell me. Is it gay to fall in love? I think it in a good way.

Yeah. Maybe. Yes. Yeah, fellas, it's gay to love. And you know, I get into it. For some. You have to. And, you know, it's your one task.

You're right, though. In this, a lot of the world's problems would be solved with love. And, like, if there was more of it. I think if people accepted that they're going to die. I think people could be loving more. I think people could be loving more. I think people could be. fearing death less. That's true. That's actually such a good point. Yeah. The two extremes. I love that.

Yeah. That's perfect. Yeah. No, you're right though about the death thing especially. You're so right. I've, I've like kind of been talking through that too in therapy. Like, yeah, my, I mean, it's hard to do. Right. But I also, I don't, I don't want to say I don't fear death because that's not, I don't think I fear it. You have to fear it to stay a lot. You need to be crossing the street at the right time. Exactly. So it's like, I don't want to say don't fear. it. I think I'm just not afraid. I guess is the word. Like, it doesn't scare me. I do avoid, I do want to avoid it. Yeah. I'd rather not. I'd rather not. Yeah. I got, I do have some stuff next week, so I'd rather not. Yeah. But that being said, I think I've made peace with it in a way that's like,

I think what I fear more is people I love dying. Yeah. I fear that more than me. What I fear the most. First love is wine. Now we're talking about our deepest fears. What I fear the, the fact that we got to what I fear the most yes but it's other people in my life dying unfulfilled or with regrets which i don't even have control over it which is like why i would fear it right that's like if i'm like on if i'm with a loved one and they're like i did it wrong that's and they're gone yeah that is like the worst thing i can think of yeah luckily like i think some people in my life are tilting towards feeling good and proud of themselves. Oh, totally.

Hopefully that's the arc of life. But I don't think people consider their last moments enough as a motivating force to be someone you're proud of day to day. That's so true. Well, and I also think, too, they like, they're, my man and I were actually just talking about this recently about, like, this fallacy of, like, legacy. Like, oh, I want to, like, I want to leave a legacy behind.

That's also a huge pillar in, like, misogyny. That's another reason they do this weird shit because they're like, I need to leave something. I need to leave something behind. But I feel like when you're so focused on that, you look at it in a way, in a capitalist way or in a way, like, that's like, I need to like make a name for myself in that way. Like, I need to be famous. I need to be rich. I need to be something like that. But there are like, there's someone like that I lost during COVID who I will never forget.

And it devastates me that she won't be at my wedding because she was my cousin. but she was someone who legacy you want to talk about legacy like she was just the best person I've ever met so like I'll never forget her no one who's ever met her will ever forget her because of that and that's purely love that there there was no fame there was no money it was like just the way she moved in life was so beautiful and big and colorful and profound and it touched everyone and she was friends with everybody and everybody loved her so it was like that's to me legacy like that's like that's something that matters that's something that that people give a fuck about people will remember,

we'll carry with them. And I think too often it's put on like materialist possessions, like material things or like intangible things like being famous. Like it's, which are so moot, I guess like at the end of it all, it really doesn't, none of that fucking matters like at the end of it. So I feel like you're right about making peace with like not being so afraid of it. Like not being so afraid of death. And we're so focusing.

I think that helps you focus on the now. Yeah. even more so like you said the legacy is like the piece of yourself you leave in other people like it's not absolutely castle that you build for them to live in right um moving to L.A like I didn't grow up around like rich people pretty much at all same and then yeah and then then coming here it's wild it's way different and the way that people are even just raised to think about I'm like you are playing monopoly right yeah Like, and maybe literally doing monopolies.

Right. Like, I, like, the game that was made after you, like, I, the real goal is to stack and afford, actually. And there's this, like, shame. And if you size down and it's really wild, like, even having friends where I feel like I have to, like, gently just be like, you know, it's okay to have a job. Right. It feels really weird to say that to someone. Right. I'm like everyone in my life had jobs.

Like I was just like, I had jobs like. Yeah. What were some of your jobs? I was an assistant in like an office once. I was like an assistant to a publicist. I was a waitress. I was a booth bitch. That's a fun term I like to call it.

But I just used to work booths at like festivals and stuff. Oh, cool. For nothing fun. Food things? No. It was for nothing fun. Booth. I did this very specific job where I worked for my mom right after.

I got out of college and I would, basically I was doing outreach for major infrastructure projects, which is a fancy bitch term for me going door to door and telling you about construction and your commute's going to suck for the next like 15 years. Cool with that. And I would get like screamed out on porches. So I did that for a bit. I worked for the NFL. What did you do?

I did social media for them. Yeah, I worked for. You would like throw that ball. Yeah, I was saying, touchdown. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Number four. Exactly.

You nailed it. Yeah, that was honestly probably one of my worst jobs. I think the hardest job I've ever had was a waitress. But what about you? I was a waitress for four days. My friend actually had a job at a Chinese restaurant on our block. Okay. And they had finals and they got, they fired somebody and they booked my friend.

for doubles for a full week over finals. And so my friend, it was a loose operation. Yeah. Was like, I'm going to teach you how to do my job and you're going to show up for me. Oh, okay. And the people, but my friend also, like, spoke Chinese and I did not. And the chef and the owner were both Chinese. She goes, they're not going to notice the difference between you and I.

Yeah. Just get in there. And I showed up and, like, basically they were like, pick up the phone when someone calls, write down, find it in the menu, put it back. didn't train me on if someone walked in because everyone was doing takeout orders. And so then when the first people came in like, hey, we'd like to eat here, I'm like, I'll be right back. I'm like, where are the utensil?

Where are the napkins? And they're like, we need water. Like, it was really bad. You were like kind of a waitress. And like my friend told me that I would get a shift meal that I think that the chef was so mad I was there. I was not fed. So you're not even eating.

And I think also it was like, she was like, doesn't get to eat, she sucks. The place is closed now. I think it was like a $2.75 an hour that you're supposed to- Were you working in the 1920s? What the hell? Working in Richmond, Virginia. But it's like at the, they're supposed to pay you up to minimum wage. And they're hoping that tips will get you to over minimum wage without them. But they did not do that. So I made $2.75 an hour. It was like, yeah, it was about a week of that. Damn. Yeah, my serving job wasn't very long either. I think I worked there for like three and a half months, four months. Got fired. I've told the story before. Well, I got put on call. I got put on call because the manager was mad at me that I wouldn't work over Christmas. And I was living in Hawaii at the time because I was going to school. So that was my second job. I had a different job. So that was my second job. It was like my fun job. I used to get tipped out really heavy because it was like a high end steak restaurant. But it was like no in hoi.

Okay, right. It was like a high and steak restaurant. But I had to wear khaki shorts and like a t-shirt and which is kind of strange. But then I like my last day on like on my regular shifts, I trained a guy who was terrible. And I thought he was giving me more responsibility having me train. So I was like, oh my God, okay, perfect. I'm going to like teach him how to be great. And then he kept leaving in the middle of the shift and I found out he was smoking meth in the bathroom,

which is a bummer. That is a bummer. Yeah, so then I was like, damn, bummer. I got to tell the guy he smokes meth. I don't know if you want that in the restaurant. And then when I went out there to go tell him, he was like, you're fired. And the fella is in. Yes.

He was like, you just trained your replacement. And I said, okay. So I didn't tell him about the meth thing because I figured, well, you'll find out. Yeah, you'll see. And they did the next day on shift. Like, he left in the middle of the shift again to go smoke meth. and then was like, I guess hungry at some point. So then he left again in the middle of the shift and he made himself a dessert and was

sitting in the very back of the freezer and they couldn't find him and then he was back there eating. That's why I got fired. The funny part about that story too is that every time I tell that story, I'll tell it in great detail. Sometimes I'll tell a truncated version like that. And then there's always at least two dingbats in the comments going, meth doesn't make you hungry. So yeah.

I think it was weed. So, yeah. As if they were fucking there. Talk about parisocial. I was like, hey, did you laugh? Okay, first of all, fuck off. If you laughed, you fuck off. If not, I know the difference,

I know the difference between meth and weed, believe it or not. Believe it or not. Meth has a smell. Believe it or not. So, like, I know what weed smells like, and I know what meth smells like. I just had to say that because every time they post it, they're like, you don't want it again.

Meth makes you not hungry. So, yeah, so, yeah. I mean, I would check that. of the story. So are they like a teenager who looked it up on Reddit? Oh, I'm sure. That's the thing. Unless they're a meth head, I'm not taking your word for it. Unless in your comments like, actually for my experience. Actually, that's not true. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not actually hungry right now. So I never hungry when I smoke math. Interesting. Yeah. So anywho, that was my experience serving. But it was a very, very awful job. Mostly because I had never had human.

interaction like when I was a waitress. I literally told someone I feel like some people leave their homes with the intention of ruining the life and day of a server. They're ready. That's what they're paying for is an opportunity to humiliate and degrade you. Yes. I even, so my grandma's 96 and she's not, I would say, an awful person. Okay.

But at a restaurant, she was raised. She also has been through the depression. Like she's very, she's like a bit of a whole. hoarder. There's a lot going on there. She has dementia at this point. Love her. Grandma.

She is walking in deciding if she's going to give a tip or not. The tip at most is $2 if you're awesome. And she's testing you to see if you earn this tip. And one thing she'll do is look at the menu and then just see what ingredients are back there and be like make this like she's not ordering a thing she's like i see you have salmon i see you have broccoli i assume you have salt we're going to do like a different go ahead and whip me up a bowl yeah she's doing a secret menu at every restaurant she is every restaurant is just a someone's kitchen yeah i love when they're like um i want a hamburger we don't have that well do you have bread and meat

sounds like you got a hamburger yeah go and whip that up for me mash it up she's honestly kind of hilarious for that. My grandpa's similar to that too. She also smoked hookah on her, I think, 80th birthday. Period. And yeah, she's an absolute icon. Yeah. My grandpa is, loves to drink,

loves Mikalob Ultra, specifically, and he's big smoker. So, like, my grandpa's been smoking cigarettes since he was fucking probably, like, 11. So he's big smoker. And I remember one time my mom was, like, trying to put, like, life insurance policies in place

for, like, for my grandpa, but like because he just refused to go and hates the doctor and all that so like my mom had to do like an end of life kind of life insurance policy because he would just never qualify because he's a chain smoker and a drinker but my mom was like when they come to like do the little intake form right to see if you qualify do me a favor can you lie a little bit about how much you smoke like this is one of my grandpa smoking cigarettes now he vapes but like yeah yeah yeah then they come and do the intake they're like so do you smoke he says yeah they're like how much he just like like two packs and they're like, oh, okay, like a week. And he goes, no, a day. My grave was smoking marble or reds two packs a day at one point. I was like, oh. And my group is going to outlive everyone. I'm like convinced.

Yeah. I don't know. There's something in that. Again, we need the science. Actually, I don't even want to say this because smoking's bad. I will say the science on old people who have been smoking. That's what I'm saying. Because there's so many ancient baddies that are smoking.

And is it just the. the like the consistency that their bodies are attuned to like did they just teach their body at a young age again the science is not here we do not have a science and we are not advocating for it a science I want more so want to understand it like how did it happen I do yeah I think this is something I'll kind of like the dinosaurs like I'm just like I'm not going to do anything really with the info I just want to know right have you have you seen the dinosaur Netflix documentary no how'd they do that oh my well I was like they went back in time. I feel like this is an April Fool's thing.

No, I'm... The doc... The documentary is something that someone would have said to me in the fourth grade. And I would have been like... It would have been like one of those trick things where I was like, oh, have you heard from Joe? And then they say Joe Mama.

That's why I say you something about dinosaurs. I do. I feel like we're about to be... I'm going to get you. For being stupid. That's a real, well, well, that's a real documentary. Okay, tell me about it. There's a dinosaur documentary on Netflix.

It's narrated by Morgan Freeman. It's really good. It's very informative. And honestly, kind of beautiful. You should watch it. What are they documenting? They're documenting. Well, obviously it's all animation of said dinosaur.

Thank you for saying that. It's like 3D printed dinosaurs. No, it's literally all animation, but it looks really real. but like it's not obvious. It's like planet Earth, but dinosaurs. Yes, I love planet Earth. Love planet Earth. Do you like documentaries?

I have in my life and then I took kind of a dark turn and it was like I've learned too much and I need to stop. Me too. Yeah. I went through a phase like that too. Sometimes I like when I watch ones, especially ones when they're like murder cases, kidnapping things, whatever. Especially because the victim's almost always a woman.

When I would watch those, I felt like I was like studying like just in case someone something tries to happen to me. Oh my gosh. It felt like tape, like studying. I was like, I have to be aware of all of the potential threats around me. Okay, cool. That's how I felt like that. I call that OCD now.

Personally. You can never understand what that means to me that you said that right now because I am sniffing around an OCD diagnosis. Sniffing. Yeah. With my therapist. I told my therapist and this is one of the few times I've made her laugh and yes, I keep count because she keeps me at arm's length and I really want so badly to come to her.

But she's like, no. I just found out she was married recently and also by and I did not know that. Wow. And I was like, oh my God, I have a gay therapist. Yes. I was feeling so, oh, thank God. That's great. Oh, I felt so liberated by it.

But yeah, I'd been seeing her for a year, but still. Yeah. I just found that out about her. That's great. I've had a lot of therapists that I know so much about their life. Because you go in and like, say like, how are you? And like, I do kind of want to move on from that, but I can't help but ask. And I have a great therapist now that.

is like awesome but I've had therapists that are like oh you know like I went camping with my boyfriend and my sister's really bought this has happened multiple times where I it's like I'm phoning a friend and they're just like telling me so much and I'm like well how did you feel about what your mom said now you're the therapist and then I brought it up with the therapist and I was like hey I've noticed that like we kind of split time like we're 50 50 50 like we're about 50 50 like half an hour begin we were talking about you and then we get into myself for about half an hour And he was like, well, I'm mirroring. I'm trying to set an example of openness that you can mirror.

What kind of gas light ass fucking. It was wild. Well, why don't you take some fucking notes, Lucy? Yeah. Because that's how you're open. It was like you, what actually he was like you like need to feel that this is a reciprocal. Like he'd, yeah. And it kept going and I stayed with that therapist for a year.

And that being said, I did find, I did end up losing him a year later. Yeah. I ended up changing therapy. Yeah. I felt my last therapist was great. I loved her. She was awesome. But there were points where sometimes she would say things like, like if I'm talking about

cultural stuff. Like I feel like there has to be a cultural understanding too if you and your therapist are not the same ethnicity. I feel like there has to be some sort of cultural understanding. So like sometimes she would say things like, well, why don't know. don't you just set boundaries with your family? And I'm like, well, now you're just talking stupid to me. No, yeah.

Like, I'm like, because like we are working on boundaries, but like the way she would tell me to do it, it would just be like, you should just tell them. Just do that. Yeah, that's not how it works in my family. I also don't think, I think therapists are not actually supposed to tell you what to do.

Right. I think they're supposed to kind of like guide you to your own. Towards the end, she was kind of like, hey, so I'm leaving. See ya. Like, she was leaving the like company I'm with. And I was like, oh, okay. So then I found a new therapist and I love her.

Okay, great. Love her. But I did back to the OCD thing. Yeah. I am sniffing around that. I have realized. As a kid, did you ever look up ways to die and then how to avoid it? Yes.

Yeah. See? I think it's a pretty common thing. Yeah. Well, they had that show to like a thousand ways to die. Yes. And I would be like, how would I avoid that? And I'd be on the.

computer like, you know, how to, like, what shoes should I wear in this situation? Right. I was always really scared of quicksand. Right. Luckily, I haven't had actually, well, first. Okay. If you get in quicksand, you need to go sideways and pull yourself out. You can't be climbing because you're going to extend the area that is not secure.

And sink faster. I went hiking in Scotland with my friend. Okay. And it's beautiful. There's moss everywhere. And I'm just walking. And suddenly, I'm swallowed by the earth. Oh, my God.

There is the ground, and then it wasn't the ground. And I am in the earth. What the hell? And my quicksand knowledge saved my life because I got swallowed by a bog. And I went, I kicked my feet up and went parallel with the ground. and I pulled myself out of the bog. And it was the same situation that if I had tried to lift myself, I would have just been breaking off more.

And it's really scary because if your head goes under the ground, like the moss goes back so you can't really see. What kind of Harry Potter ass forest were you guys hiking in? It was a beautiful, like Scottish. They have a quick stand in Scotland? Yeah. It probably sounds like the d'urgel ringle or something. Like, I don't remember that.

Yeah. It was something rarely said in a life like mine. But it was amazing. I felt so elated that like my, my like child fear knowledge, I'm like, okay. So this validates all of that time I spent on Google. Yeah. This is, I need to keep. It was probably not good for me, honestly.

But I thought, I would think that too. like I would always think like well I have to know like I would tell my mom like whenever I would find something new that I would I would like find something and I'm like I need to learn everything there is to know about this just in case yeah just in case someone asked me or I myself find myself in that situation and I said this on the show before but like one of them is Titanic like I was I was my brother has the Titanic team whatever whatever you have whatever the hell that is yeah I was just really fascinated by the Titanic. but I learned about the Titanic before the movie came out like in when I was a kid.

So I literally was so into it. I needed to learn literally everything that my mom would buy me books and I would study up on it. And because it was just so fascinating the fact that they'd never had a ship like that before. They were ill-equipped for the ocean. Yeah. They'd never made that journey at that time, especially in the winter. I was like doing all this research. Then I watched the movie.

And after the movie was over, I like told my mom, I was like, is that a true story? And she was like, what, like Jack and Rose? And I go, yeah, she goes, no. And I go, what's the fucking point? What was the point of that movie? And that's why you love documenting. Yes, I watched the movie. I said, they didn't talk about the ship.

They didn't talk about the class system happening. They didn't talk about the captain. I was like, they didn't cover any of the high points. Do you know about the Titanic conspiracy theory? Which one? Okay, I'm going to say this. I love that you said which one. Yeah, let's not skip over that.

There's plenty. I'm going to start and then you take over, okay? Okay, if I know it, I'll take over. Weren't there a bunch of banking people who had tickets to be on the Titanic? Yes. And they all return their tickets like the week before. And there were other banking people on the boat. And so there's this conspiracy theory that it was meant to crash.

Crash in order to form, like it would have major global economy implications. What? And I think maybe there's still like the banks. that we think of as big, the people who were in charge of them at that time or the people that didn't get on the Titanic. Okay. I just got chills. And I could have made that up.

I've never heard that one before. But I think there are parts of it that are real. Yeah. Well, honestly, at this point, yeah, probably. Yeah. I feel like we've been exposed to so many, like, cracks and terrible things, like, in America's history, just generally speaking. We've known for a long time, but now, even especially now, like, there's been so many other

things where you're like, it goes all the way to the top. Yeah. So I wouldn't be surprised, to be honest. I guess it's my point. At this point, I'll believe anything like that, especially if it has to do with the elite saying rich and powerful. We should not be used to this. No, absolutely.

The dazzle camouflage is working. This is genuinely a very insane pivot, but I will relate back to what we're talking about. Are you familiar with the show Paradise at all? Is Paradise the one? No, I'm thinking of it. a Bachelor in Paradise. Which, I have to say I haven't seen. But it seems cool.

Paradise is a scripted TV show on Hulu. And it has like Sterling K. Brown's in it. Who else is in it? James Morrison's in it. Lots of people. Cool. Bangor fucking show. I am telling, I am pushing that show like I'm paid to do it.

Like I'm just like, it's so good. But it's long story, it's about the end of the world. Oh. But, and spoiler if you haven't watched. This is not really a spoiler, but it's basically the point of it is it centers on the head of security for the president at the time that the world ends. But the world ends by like a climate thing, like a very awful climate thing that's happening. So it's very real. Like it's really rooted in reality like now, which makes it kind of spooky.

But you find out that like the world's richest, most powerful people were planning ahead of time because they knew it was coming and didn't prepare. anybody. Yeah. So they built this bunker and essentially all moved into it and planned to move into it when it happened and left everybody else to die. And the bunker's like paradise. Yeah. And so, but inside the paradise, it's like an underground bunker, everything is fake. So it's like they have a fake sun. They have fake rain. They have fake wind. But it's like really nice and bougie. Yeah. It's like it's like a suburban like city. That's what it looks like. Oh, there's like a whole sky. Yes. You have to get into it. Lucy. You have to get into it. Okay. Maybe it will. It's so good. It's so interesting. But my point being like I was like when I was watching I was like that would happen I wouldn't be surprised if

it's happened already if it's happening that's happening like preparing and not preparing the American people essentially for it because they don't care and when they like they talk about how they made selections of who to pick to go in there and they pick based off like what they believe you have to contribute whether it's like you're a doctor or a scientist or like you had to just prove no entertainers right we're no fuck no we're dead yeah if that happens they're leaving a They're like, make one for the, it doesn't, does money stop mattering? Yeah, because it's like, that's the crazy part is like, and this, again, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, but like they think nothing is outside anymore because everything, like there was like a huge tidal waves. There was earthquakes, like the sun blacked out for like, I think a year or something like that.

So crops died. It's like awful. But there are people still surviving. And so up there, that's when they start, you start seeing. And this is me like getting so super woke leftist, my blue hair's on. Cool. But I was like, I'm putting my blue hair on. I've always wanted blue hair and I've never done it because I've never dyed my hair

and I just want to say that I'm with you all. Spiritual. Please continue. Yes, exactly. It's truly so beautiful how they write human connection in it because they show like how really at the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is community. Because when the world is ending, nobody cares anymore. I was going to say if you want to do some light doomsday prepping, start loving people.

Right. Or like, stop. Yeah, start like knowing who's around you. Absolutely. And yeah, get a water filtration system. Yeah, yeah. And a generator. Yeah.

Get, get canned foods. Can foods. Dry foods. Yeah, get a good backpack that's lightweight. Well, and I learned this from, I don't know if this is true. And it might be, I might be dumb as fuck for saying it. But like, in the show, there's a part where there's a mailman. And he's like, some of the postal offices around the U.S.,

were built to withstand nuclear like fallout. That's real or it's in the show? I don't know if it's real. But it feels like it could be. We needed it. We needed a scientist with a laptop to either be answering our questions or looking them up. Yeah, exactly. And I think it's a beautiful thing because it shows like community how much they need each other,

like how they bond and rebuild life, human life. And just generally, it's honestly so beautiful. The writing in it is stellar. That's great. I've been saying I want more like post. post-apocalyptic, like not, like, everyone's going to shoot each other, right, eat each other, whatever. Like, we need like, we need some, like, okay, so what are we meant to do?

Right. I need, like, some good visions. Exactly. In general, like, art just, you have the chance to give good ideas about what is going to happen. No, for real. And it's literally, like, it's watching it is like, I think to myself, I would hope if it did end like that, I would hope that people would be able to come together like that in that kind of way like in that beautiful almost like poetic way it's like when everything goes to shit then everybody starts loving each other whatever it takes well you do

that wasn't a I'm about to say something cough that was a something's in my throat it's okay but around the fires here like I really did see people show up for each other in a way like sure there's always going to be people who like buy it too much toilet paper during COVID. Right. Which is a good litmus test for how you might be. Some people were stockpiling their own toilet paper and some people were going and buying and distributing toilet paper for others.

Yeah. But it was cool to see like ideally you don't have to remember the net, but when some, there's a rip in it like it reactivates this whole network of hair that like I don't, I do, believe that people are like that. I agree. Overall. I agree. And that's what my friend Caleb says.

Yeah, Caleb. He says that all the time you love Caleb. I know you do. Everybody does whatever. Okay. He and I have an enemy's to lovers thing going on. Really? What?

Probably. Okay, but the cutie pie brigade, why are you not? Yeah, you need to be like maximizing. I know. For the world. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. But he's, he said before, and I really do find it to be true.

And I think the way he lives his life is a beautiful rendition of it. But he's like, I do believe that most people are good, like inherently good. And I think that's a beautiful sentiment to hold especially now. Like for him to be able to still carry that is honestly beautiful and profound. I'm with them. I know. And I sense that about you too. That's why I think that is a beautiful thing.

And it is important. Like you need people who are skeptical in a way that's like trying to protect you. But you also need people who are open. and loving. And that's why I'm like in those moments, if paradise ever happens, I'd like to think that we'd be okay. Like the communities, the world, like in some regard. I'd like to think that. I like to think that because I feel like if you don't have that, everything seems pointless. Yeah. And hopeless. Like, which I can't be doing that right now. Pointless and hopeless. Yeah. Yeah, no. Can't be doing that right now. No, I'm learning to garden.

Oh my gosh. I'm love that. Hopefully going to get better at fishing. I want to have skills to offer. at the end of the world. I got to get up my skills. I'm trying to provide. You're living in Animal Crossing. It sounds like you're doing fish. You know what? I have like a bone to pick with those

because I'm like if you wanted to do this, you literally could. Or like maybe not everyone, not everyone has land. A lot of people are in cities. Yeah. Like, but a little box plant that you can then make real pesto.

Hell yeah. Or I don't know. Anyone who loves those, like I would say like go buy a small bag of dirt and some seeds and just see what happens. Yeah. My friend Bretman, he volunteers at like a plant nursery. I love that. And so he like loves to just take care of the plants.

Like he loves to be around them. I think nature is so healing too. Like being able and like putting your hands in dirt and like your feet in the grass like that kind of thing. I feel like especially since I'm Polynesian like I feel very connected to the earth like in a lot of ways. That's why I always cry as soon as I go back. back home to Hawaii or anywhere that's Polynesian at all, like that kind of land.

Like I have to go cry and stand on the beach. Just look at the ocean. Yeah. Just let her talk to me for a little bit. Yeah. Feel so spiritually connected to the land, especially over there. That's awesome. It's beautiful and amazing.

I would love to learn how to garden. Is it hard? I am just starting. So what I've done so far is not hard. It's just going to the store and like getting the stuff. Okay. I did make like a chicken wire enclosure for my things. So I am being greedy.

I want them more than I want the squirrels to have them. Even though I am kind of living in their house. Yeah, they'll be okay. But I'm curious. I know a lot of people who are like, don't visit Hawaii. Is that? I think it depends. It depends on who.

And I will preface this. I'm not from Hawaii, but I do have a lot of family in Hawaii. And I lived in Hawaii for a long time because of school. So I was living there for a long time and my family lives there. So that's why it's like another home to me. Yeah. And you can like,

Oh yeah, I'm just curious because I know like a lot of indigenous people are like it's but then I know some Hawaiian people that are like at this point the economy relies on it is like the tourism's like 75% of their economy so like they they literally need tourism to survive that being said I think that when you do go you have to go in a way that's respectful right so it's like where you stay and how you stay how you move like on the island is imperative to your visit also to like. taking anything from the land. That's like one of the first things I tell people. One of my girlfriends went and took her kids a while ago and I was like reaching out. We were talking about it and I told her like, just do me in favor. Like don't take anything. Like it's kapu, which is like taboo to take anything. The point is to give back to the land to be polite and respectful and love the land.

They have like a saying called Malamada. I know it's like to love love the land. So it's like picking up trash when you see it. Like I always do that even here, but especially over there. and just not taking anything is the biggest thing. Because I know people like to take like rocks, seashells, flowers, like things like that. Don't do that. A curse will be put on you and I'm being dead ass about that.

Like, don't do that. Don't touch them. And just be kind and respectful. And there's like this, this like stigma too in Hawaii about like, oh, they're racist against white people, which like, that's an oxymoron sentence. So that's funny. Okay. But also they're skeptical because the term howly means foreigner.

but there was only one foreigner that went over there. That's why it's always associated with white people. So like whenever you get called to Howley, it's not always disrespectful. That's another thing to know. But I think it's okay to go as long as you go respectfully. And you also, I think it helps to talk to people who are Polynesian, who live there, like local people. It's just like the polite thing to do.

Like just to act like a guest in the house because you are kind of deal. But that's what my family and friends have. said to me too like it's just it's one of those things where it's like well it's we're here now so it's not like you can't go um because you're gonna go if you want to go so if you're gonna go at least go kindly it's kind of related to the restaurant thing it's like some people you go to a restaurant i love a restaurant and i'm so grateful that someone spent so much time learning how to do that because i can't do that for real i cook but some stuff is impossible yeah and like actually makes me feel like a kid like i'm seeing new colors like some some good food is like

like truly inspiring. Right. I agree. I have a lot of friends that love to eat and we just will cry at a restaurant. And if there's like someone who's a great server, I'm just like, you're probably having a bad day because you're a server. And like you deserve some lightness in your life or at least somebody who's not trying to get something else from you than the food. Or exert power over you.

Right. Yeah, because they don't have any whatever regard. Yeah. The way you do anything is the way you do. everything. Period. What's your sign, by the way? Do you want to guess?

I feel like I've been trying to guess the whole time in my head. Really? Yeah, I just can't. Can't nail you down. Are you an earth sign? Yeah. Are you a tourist? Yes.

I knew it. Oh, my God. Wait, that's awesome. Yeah, I knew it. I take it as a compliment. Hell yeah. Right? I love tourists.

Okay. Torus. Okay. Tourists. men, but it's a rarity. Yeah, it is. Are you a fire sign? No, that is my rising, though.

Oh. Yeah. Are you? So that's probably why you got that is my point. Yeah. Sorry about the elephant herd up there. I would have said earth sign because we've just been having it. Yes.

You are? I am an earth sign, yes. Are you a tourist? No. Okay. Close, though. Well, yeah, there's only two other ones. I'm trying to give you something.

I know. Hyperquin? No. You're Virgo. Yes. Dumb. Yeah. I'm a Virgo, but I only think that's very obvious in, like, how mean I can be.

Wow. And how successful I am only, and I say that literally and also just kind of like a flex. Yeah. Just because I'm a worker, like, I'm a worker B. Like, I love to work. Yeah. So I'm all about work. Yeah.

My dad's a Virgo. Period. But he's very airy. I need to know his whole chart, actually. Yeah. And you're not very similar. What is your rising sign then? Well, I'm a Virgo Sun.

Are you Eric? Cancer Moon, Sagittarius rising. I'm sad rising also. Okay, look at us. And one of my best friends is a tourist. Yeah. And I was like, I love tourists. We get along so well.

But I felt the earthiness from you. Thank you. That's what I was guessing. And you're a very calm demeanor. Also, you're so emotionally, like, vast. Like, you have such emotional depth that's crazy. That's so nice. That's why you're such an incredible artist, by the way.

Thank you. Which I would love to. talk more about your music before we finish. I've just been getting to know you. I know. That's why I was saying we got here and it was like, oh, yeah, there's camera. Like I kind of was like, yeah, we're going to have a fun little hang. It's our first date.

That's why. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we got to get all this stuff out of the way. We could have just got dinner. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, thank you. We can still get dinner. We can still get dinner. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I do want to talk. Do you have anything you would like to announce outside of your single?

Well, the single will be out. Yeah. That's that. That's that. I'm playing the Hollywood Bowl. Yes. With an orchestra. I know and I'm going to throw up just thinking about it.

You should come throw up. I would love to if you're inviting me. It's on camera. Okay. She can't take it back. Yeah, you're invited. Yay! I am so excited for that.

My sister's going to shit her pants. My friend, yeah. Get on in. Yeah, come on in. Days. But my friend and bandmate, Phoenix, Rizumannis, Greek, beautiful legend, is doing all the arrangements and sent me a video because you can like do it in the computer and then like push play and the computer

kind of plays it um and it's gonna be so cool like she's got like a hundred dimensional brain she plays violin if any if you've ever seen yeah love love love love anyways it's going to be really oh my god congratulations how yeah and then wait can i say who's opening jane i don't know if you're a fan of this person but cat power is opening oh who is like someone i've been listening to for so long. Like it's almost, it's embarrassing. Does Cat Power sing Sea of Love? Yeah.

I love that song. That's one of my favorite songs. Yeah. Oh my God. I just got chills again. Yeah, I did too. Someone, like, basically, someone was like, what about this?

And I was like, is that allowed? Oh my God. With an orchestra? Yeah. I'm going to throw up for real. I know. I'm so excited. Yeah.

Oh my God. Congratulations. How fucking cool. Thank you. That is so amazing. So weird. It is so, it's crazy, but well deserved. Thank you.

And you are incredible. And it's my dad's birthday and he'll be there. Virgo. Virgo, when's your dad's birthday? September 13th. Mine's September 18th. 18th. That was the other day we were maybe going to play.

Oh my God. Sorry. Yeah. We're meant to be Telcelain to move over. Thruple alert. Another September birthday. But Libra. Oh, okay.

My man's a Libra too. I love Libra. Me too. I actually realized like I haven't met a Libra I don't like. That same. And I don't want anyone to prove me wrong because I really like people. I like liking people. Overall. Yeah, my man's born October 21st. I love you say my man. Yeah, my man. It's so cool.

Thank you. I love that you're getting married. Me too. I know soon I'll say my husband. I've been saying my husband already. I mean, I say my man. I say my husband. Period. Yeah. Yeah, why not? I call him my wife too. Yeah. I'm like it's funny because and I swear I'll wrap it up. I have like a funny little joke about my my my because my man is so like, manly looking, like straight white guys, like, they really love him, like super, super. But sometimes when I go tour homes, like, because I just moved, when I tour houses, like, for any reason, I always make sure he's there. Generally, obviously, because I want him to love the place. But also because every time a realtor sees him, they'll give me the deal of a lifetime. Like, they'll literally do anything to get us to live there because they're so mesmerized by him.

Wow. And so I'm like, yeah, I just prop up my pretty little wife and you look at her. and I'm going to wheel and deal this house bitch. Yes. And it's the best. So I get it. That's awesome. I get it.

And I love you and you're amazing. I have that in the opposite way. Sorry, we have to wrap up. No, yeah. No, no. I just feel like, like people look at Julian and are like, I have to take care of you. Like Julian's just looking up like, even though like she's hard as fuck, obviously, covered in tattoos. But I do feel that people.

They are endeared to her. Yes. Like immediately. They're just like, you're like from Bambi or something. Anyways. Cutea Ptootutee disease. Yeah. In the brigade.

Yeah. There you go. Okay, so I do have some fun facts. We'll close out with them. Cool. This one says, you used to have a job editing children's school photos for a camera company. Yeah. Editing, like Face Tune?

That'd be funny. Not Face Tune. But they were taken in front of green screens. So then the parents get to pick what the background is. And then you have to make. make their hair not green. So you're like color correcting to whatever the background is. That's cool.

And then you prep it and then they send it to get keychains and mugs. Did they, did you like that job? I actually did because like it was very repetitive and I had a pad of paper and like all my early songs. I wrote just like occupying my brain in one way unlocked it in a different way. You're crazy. Okay. That's crazy that you were doing that.

You're working and you're writing just unbelievable smash hits. Just like on a pad of paper. All right, good. Now back to this children's photo. I would do. I like fantasize about it. I mean, I got like $9 an hour, so that's not great. Better than $2.40.

Yeah. Yeah. You were up from the restaurant. 275. Yeah, 275. Sorry, my back. Okay, this one says you were originally a film major in college before stopping to pursue music, which I think I knew about you.

Yeah. That's kind of true. Not entirely. I didn't stop to do music. I stopped because I didn't want to be in debt. Oh. And I was like, this is a racket. And then I did the,

the photo stuff and then through it being a love and hobby music started. But I want to just say that the college system is really expensive. It is. And it's not for everyone. It wasn't like, oh, music's going great. I'm going to quit. It was like, I am not going to pay for this. So I'm done.

Goodbye. Bye. I respect that about you. It's one of the first times you played music for anyone was in a high school when your history teacher told you to bring a guitar to school. And you jammed in a stairwell. stairwell during lunch. Libby Gürmer. Life changing history teacher.

Yeah. My friend's actually becoming a history teacher and I was like, you are going to change so many kids' lives just by being nice. You know, they're, that's so beautiful. Yeah. And teachers are so important. Yeah. I am giving it up to teachers, especially now.

Like, holy fuck. Like, yeah. They need to be making. It's wild. Way, way, way, way more money. Braver than the troops. As most people are. Yeah, yep.

Exactly. Okay. and this is the last one. It says, does this baby photo of you holding a tiny horn prove that you were all so destined to be a musician? I actually looked at this yesterday. I, yeah, I mean, that's not how you hold a horn. By the way. Yeah, by the way, baby, you're holding the horn wrong.

It's backwards. But I don't, I think that means I was destined to have a nice round face. life. That's the only thing. You are truly the cutest baby. This picture does look like it was taken during the Great Depression. My dad, you are a very cute baby. My dad like would set these things, because he's a graphic designer. Oh, love. But like when you'd have to buy fonts like in a box, yeah, have them sent to you. And so he's very aesthetically minded and he's, he would like set up a scene, like he's very careful and Virgo. Virgo. Vergo down. So thank you, dad. Oh my God. You're the cutest baby I've literally ever seen. Thank you. You are destined. Yeah. I think.

think to be Lucy Diggis to play the Hollywood ball. Look at you. She was the only one that could do it. Yeah. Clearly this is the only girl. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. Yeah, thanks for having me. I fucking love you. Yeah, likewise. You're the best. I'm so excited you're getting married. Oh my gosh. We will have dinner. Well, yes, we have to for real dinner. That'll be our second day. Okay, cool. And then you might get lucky. That's the arc. That's the arc. Everyone's waiting for. Oh, my God. If I did, if I, if I enter that arc with Lucy Dakis, something terrible would have it. The lesbians put a hit on me. They would put a hit out on me. I thought you said the lesbians would hit on me. No, they would put a hit out on me. That is happening.

If you aren't noticing, you really are straight. But you at least must notice that. No, yeah, yeah. I'm saying they would put a hit out on me out of jealousy. Maybe. It's okay. It's all right. There's one person that would for sure. Yeah. That's true. There is one. Yeah. Yeah. And they have cutie-putti-puttis disease. Yeah. So. Good luck against me. Oh, they'll be the cutest fight ever. No, no, don't fight. No fighting.

No fighting. I love that. I love you. I think you're amazing. And I truly want to tell you for real, I think you are just an unbelievable one-of-one artists. Like, I really do think that. And I think you are imperative to the scene and the way that you move and the way that you,

your music is obviously beautiful and amazing and poignant. But just the way that you exist as a music. and an artist in general is inspiring and I think it's beautiful and I just need to give you your flowers for it because I think you're incredible. You earned that spot on lesbian Mount Rushmore. Thank you. You earned it, girl. Why try to make me cry right at the end here? That's so crazy. It's just important. I always want to give flowers especially at the end because I I spent a lot of pee-pee-pooh-poo time talking sometimes, but I do want to be serious and tell you I think you are just unbelievable and so imperative. And I'm so honored to have you on the show.

Thank you. And I love you. Thanks for having me. Thank you for coming. You're wonderful. Thank you. I appreciate that. And thank you all for watching.

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a search bar. There you go. Probably like, right? Yeah. I mean your handles. Am I meant to, oh, it's if you would like to. It's L-U-C-Y, D-A-C-U-S. I like, like, right the doctor's office. See, like, you just did that so pro. And I'm like, I'm true. Yeah. It's okay. You have, you have the musician brain. I have the P-P-P-P-P-Poo-Time brain, so that's why I'm able to do that. You know what I mean? You can play the Hollywood Bowl. I can do this. Yeah. So, different but you can come and throw up. There you go. I will come and throw up and I might poop my pants. Cool. And I'll ask Julian for help after.

You'll be busy. So I'll ask Julian to help me. Thank you all so much for tuning in. Don't forget to go check out everything Lucy Degas. You guys already know who the fuck she is. She's so famous and important. Thank you all so much for tuning in and I'll see you next week. Bye!