The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - I'D LOVE TO SHAVE MY HEAD Ft. Gigi Gorgeous | Drew Afualo | THE COMMENT SECTION EP 71

Episode Date: June 21, 2023

[video available on Spotify] This week, Drew is joined by the legendary Gigi Gorgeous for a conversation all about living as your most authentic self - regardless of anyone else's opinions. The duo talk about how Gigi became a crossfit diva, why bigots hate to see marginalized communities thriving, Gigi's new book "The T Guide", and so much more! Drew: https://linktr.ee/drewafualo Gigi: IG / TikTok Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

My boyfriend actually changed my view of fitness and my relation to it and stuff like that. What do you guys do, by the way? Like working out why? Yes, because I'm like, so, I'm like, no, sexually, no. Everyone and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me, your favorite. Everybody knows me who cares about me. On to the amazing, wonderful guest. Today we have the iconic, the legendary Gigi gorgeous.

Woo! Hey, hey, hey. Thanks for having me, Drew. Oh, my gosh, you legend. I'm so happy you're here. I'm in the comment section. Holy shit. Pinch me.

I'm gonna die. And you match the sets. I do, right? Period. Bitch. I think subconsciously I picked out this dress. Really? Because yeah, I was like, maybe this will look good.

And then I got here, I was like, it matches. And you look tan. Girl, you look good. Oh my God, so do you. You're just complimenting you. No, I mean, ditto. What was I doing for the past 20 minutes? I'm like, you're nailed, your hair.

I'm so happy you're here. Me too. I've been a fan of yours for EBS. Oh my God, dido. I first saw you on TikTok. My husband actually brought you up. Really? Yes.

And your laugh is so infectious. You have one of the best laughs. I'm sure you get that all the time. Yeah. But it is so infectious. I think you're so funny. You're so savage and mean. Period.

And I'm upset. You know what? I love a mean bitch. Yes. Let me tell you. I love a mean bitch who serves cunt. I love all the bitches. Yes.

The only people I don't like are men. Yeah, a lot of them suck, right? Yeah. Well, you're in a relationship. Yeah. Both of us? We both found good ones. We hate men, but, oh, you found one.

Yeah. I've had someone tweet me, I love a bad bitch who's down bad for a man. What is that mean? A bad bitch who hates men. Yeah. But is like hopelessly in love with a man. And I was like, period. My whole brand.

Yeah, that is you. Absolutely. Is that you? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I hate men. If it wasn't clear. I think I love it.

like them, but I think that they're like dumb. Dumber than us. She feel bad for them. Mm-mm. No. Me neither. Just kind of a side eye. Yeah, a big side eye.

I do think, I do think they're inferior to women, absolutely. I think so too. Period. Yeah. I mean, I was once a man, so. So you can say that. I could say that. She has all authority, and she gave me the authority.

I'm allowed to say that. Just like when I make fun of men who are balding when they're like awful. Yeah. I'm like, my dad's bald. It's okay. I can say it. Right. He gave me permission on behalf of all bald people.

Mm-hmm. So I have a pass. We were actually talking about this just now before we started recording. Yeah. I would love to shave my head. Yes. I would love if I could. I shaved my husband's head last night and it was so freeing for me.

For you. To see it. To live vicarious. And I was even doing like the tape up with like the razor at the back. I love that. I was like, I want my Amber Rose moment. Are you cosmetologist trained? No, but I just do everything.

I was going to say. Except nails. Okay. But like makeup hair. Yeah. That's awesome. You just taught yourself? That's so sick.

I wish. I feel like if you're an artist, you can just do it all. And incredibly humble. That's also part of it. That is part of it. Being the best, but knowing that other people aren't as good, that's okay. I feel you. I can't do anything.

you can do. Really? No. I mean, I can do my own hair and makeup, but I'm not like a full beat bitch. Like, I can't like beat my face. Did you do it today? Hell no, I didn't do it. Really? It looks so good though. Thank you. That's because I hired somebody else. You like handle it well. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Some people it looks weird. I literally, you know, it's funny is when I got this show and we were talking about like the format and everything and we did like a test shoot, my mom actually was like, oh, are you going to hire someone to do hair and makeup? And then I was like, I mean, I'm pretty good at doing my own hair and makeup, which is true. But I'm not good at doing hair and makeup for high quality cameras.

Right. Like TV makeup. And so that was proven to me, unfortunately for me. When I did like the test shoot, we did like a rehearsal, and they filmed me on these cameras. And then I watched the footage and I was like, I'm going to hire someone. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to hire someone.

We need a professional. Yeah, we do. Turns out I can't do it. So I hired someone immediately. All the lights and, you know, the filters and everyone like back here. Yeah. All works out. You'll be surprised.

You'll be surprised. And I feel like you know this now because you've been in the industry too for a long time. Like they really, they film you, they take pictures to you from all angles, all sides. Yeah. All the time always. Like I feel so acutely aware of my looks at all times now. Really? Yeah.

I think because I just see myself so much more often than I would typically would if I didn't have this job. So I just become a cute. Does it make you more insecure? I think it makes me really confident in certain things. And it also makes me insecure in other ways. Yeah. Because like there are certain things. I feel like I talk about a lot how I think I was kind of lucky I had body neutrality for a while, longer than you typically do when you grow up in like this horrible society.

And I was so neutral towards my body. I didn't feel anything towards it. Once I started doing this, I became like very acutely aware of it because people are always commenting on it, whether it's going to be. or bad, it still puts thoughts in my head, which I never really struggled with before. Like, I would have moments here and there where I felt insecure, but it was never, like, a huge determining thing for my mood or anything like that. But I feel like this industry changed that a little bit. You're really lucky in that sense because I, growing up, I was always aware of my body.

Being trans at such a young, like, realizing I was trans at such a young age, it was all about looks. It was all about, you know, how I felt in my body, how I looked in the mirror. and it literally isn't until recently where I've been like, fuck it. I kind of want to like work out and be cute and be strong. Yeah. And like, you know, like who cares about what I think? Because everyone's worried about their goddamn own life.

Yeah, literally. Like people aren't paying attention nearly as much as you think sometimes when you're feeling like one of those moments. Yeah, exactly. I think the gym too, like my relationship with fitness and everything helped that a lot because like my boyfriend actually changed my view of fitness and my relation to. it and stuff like that. What do you guys do by the way? Like working out why? Yes, because I'm like so I'm like, no sexually. No. I'm such a like CrossFit diva. Oh I love. No. I've done CrossFit before.

I love it. I'm a fucking obsessed. Like no like heavy lifting just all body weight stuff. Oh yeah. But like so addictive. Yeah. Yeah. It's real high intensity. Great workout. Yeah. One hour sweat my ass off. The vibes are so high. Like the energy is so high. I love it. Yeah. And then I just do it in the morning and then I'm done and then can glam and do the rest of the day. Yeah, that's so funny. I did CrossFit years ago, I think when I was still in high school. But you like lift. I've seen. Yeah. Yeah. Now I do. But at the time I was playing sports like all the time. So I played soccer like my whole life. So it's all running. So that was like the hit classes were a nice little change like in CrossFit. What's a hit class? It's like high intensity interval training, which is high intensity hit.

It's like hit is like not an acronym. Yeah, girl. High intensity interval training It's like two eyes Yeah So that's essentially what CrossFit is It's like it's a high intensity interval training So you like do something a million times For however many however long

Yeah I was like what's crazy about this class Is like you can go at four in the morning And everybody Everybody in that gym Ready to go bitch Like they've had They're fully awake

Fired up 4 a.m.? Girl I don't know I don't know what they be doing What time do you wake up Now I wake up around like seven eight. Yeah. Yeah, that's typically when I get up. Yeah, I'll like wake up then, but I'll like be up then. Yeah, I feel you. Yeah. I wake up and I look at my phone and then I doze off for a little

and then I wake up and then I actually get up at like night 30. It's giving like a monster energy drink, walk downstairs. Yeah, like actually leave the room. Yes. Yeah, like turn the light on. Yeah. Yeah. I sit in the dark on my phone for hour. I think too with CrossFit like I just can't believe that they're willing to run a mile so quickly. Like they're like, we're going to run a mile and then do a hundred jumping jacks. Well, you're out of your mind. Yeah, no, I love it. And then me getting lapped by men in their 60s.

That doesn't make me feel good. Yeah. I don't need that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I did have fun. It's really nice. I like the camaraderie in CrossFit. I like how everyone's, like, friends.

Me too. And there's like, yeah, there is. So fun. Were you like kept to qualify or whatever? Yeah, yeah. I've seen those. I used to be an athlete as well. You said soccer?

Yes. I was a diver. Oh, really? Yes. Damn, that's hard. It was so, I mean, looking back, I'm like, who was she? Yeah. so scary. So yeah,

athlete mentality for sure. I'm a firm believer that I like, I swim for leisure and leisure only. So any kind of water sport I did not do well at, like at all. I tried out for water polo one time. That's so fucking hard. Yeah. My mom was like, let's try water polo.

My sister and I were like, no thanks. She's like, no, we're going to go try water polo. I'm like, oh, okay. Girls are savage too. They'll like scratch you. It's exhausting. Yeah, yeah. I can barely even hover in the water. Girl, you're telling me. Let alone like one-handed with a ball. We go. They're like, oh, you have to swim. It was like four laps or some shit. Like, before you do the trial. Like, that's like a qualifying thing.

Bye. Girl, they cut me after two. No. Not my lungs. I did one sort of coming back and I kept walking because I was tall enough to reach the bottom. And I was just doing the motion. And they were like, don't walk, don't walk. And I wasn't listening. I was just doing that. And then they were like, hey, come back next year. And then I got sick because I drank too much pool water. Ew. So. You're like, I don't even go here. I don't even care My mom made me come And so they gave me a free t-shirt

And I went home Yeah I took my L Drinking the chlorine Yeah They were like They were like this dingbat Dinks pool water She can't feel a water pole

She's sick Yeah She looks like problems They cut me after two laps They were like You ain't cut out for this And I said you're right You're right

I'm not And now we're here And now we're here I commend you for being a diver It's hard Flipping off of like cement brick in the air 10 meters up is that's insane it's so crazy did you dive in college too i didn't i was on my way to the olympics i was like national champion in canada so it was like

serious what can't she do i don't know haven't found one yet have it nails that's so far the only thing that's beaten you is nails that's insane oh my gosh i'm so happy to have you It actually leads us into our topic today. We're going to talk about living as your most authentic self because Ms. Gigi has been on social media for a long time. And you've shared your journey with everyone. Like how do you see social media has changed over the last like 10 years or so? I'm not sure how long you've been on social media. I know it's been a minute.

But like have you seen any serious changes? Have you seen any progress or anything? I mean, for me it's all about like that. inclusivity of like the community. So I like when I started there were really no like trans stories. Yeah. Online. And I was I was really living throughout my friends in real life. Yeah. Like I only had like one or two trans girlfriends. And they were, I grew up in Toronto and they were in New York City. So I would only really see them when I went there. Okay. So. So yeah, online, it was just really like there was like no diversity or and I just never really

saw myself. So, yeah, it was, it was, it's changed in like vastly. There's so many trans people and so many trans stories online now. Yeah, that has visibility. Yes. And like everyone is living so authentically and I love that. But I think that there's just also so much, uh, more backlash because of it. Because you guys are more visible now than you ever have. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. I think there's, um, also to, well, first off, how, how, like what made you want to start sharing your story? Because obviously it's really daunting and scary, especially online because people are evil and awful. Spoiler alert, people are really mean on the internet for no reason, especially to marginalize people. So like what made you want to

start sharing your story in the first place? Like publicly with like your transition and everything, like going through life, anything you've gone through. So I started with like beauty and fashion strictly. And then I started opening up and then I got addicted. And it was like a really positive feedback from the community. I was like, oh my God, like everyone wants to see me win. Like everyone's like rooting for me. Like I want to transition and just all this. And then, you know, obviously shit hits the fan when you when you blow up. Yeah. But it, I just think it's all about like staying positive. Yeah. You know? Because like sharing your story is really, really, really hard. Yeah. But it's about staying positive and also knowing, like planning ahead and knowing your lane.

Like I never really share anything in my life until I'm like super ready to. Yeah. And, you know, I've already like, I've already thought about everything that anybody can say. I've already thought about any, anything that anybody can do. Yeah. And then once it's out there, it's kind of, you know, out there. And I'm like, I've already dealt with it. Yeah.

You know? I'm prepared for it. Yes. Yeah, I feel that. I feel like any other influencer I've ever, like, talked to that's been in the game for a long time, like Jackie Ina, for example. Like. Obsessed. Yeah.

I love her. Filming with her next week. How fun. Weird. I adore her. Me too. She also shared something similar to me when I like, because I always ask creators like yourself who have been in the industry for a long time and also have dealt with like

bigotry and different kinds of vitriol. Like what helps you like take care of you? And all of you guys kind of tell me this similar thing. So I'll ask you the same question. But even Jackie was like, she told me like, parceling out what you want to share and what you don't, like distinguishing is very important because it helps you keep distance between you and the world because it's such a scary thing to share every single part of your life. Yeah.

So like knowing when to gatekeep and when not to is like a big part. It definitely is. And I really, I find the way that she like molds her life so inspiring. Yeah. Because I've heard her talk about the same thing on her YouTube channel and she's just like, you know what? I'm not going to tell you guys everything. I'm going to give you like just little bits and pieces of what I want.

And that's why I'm so happy that I never did like true reality TV. Oh, girl, same. Like, there were so many instances. Like, I could have fully done it and I'm so happy I didn't because like my privacy is everything. Yeah. And like, you know, it would all be out there. Yeah, that is true. Yeah.

And I feel like when you have opportunities to share like maybe just a little bit more, when you put it in the hands of somebody else, there's like a risk that it may not be told the way you want it to be. Exactly. Which is the case with reality TV, I think, all the time. Yes. Which is why you see people who are like, in real life, they're really nice, but they were portrayed really mean or rude on a reality TV. It's because like, it's drama. And usually, honestly, from what my experience, at least in the industry and living here in L.A., a lot of the villains on reality TV are like the most fun. Yeah. Because they were just down to play the villain. Yeah, exactly. You know, the producers like, are you down? They're like, mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely.

You know, I can name like four right now. now in my head, but I won't. But they're like so fun. Yeah. And actually really nice. Yeah. Yeah. And like the nice ones are the bitches.

Like actually. The ones that are portrayed as nice. Yeah. The cunts. Yeah. Well, that's why I think opportunities like this, like your amazing book that you're coming out with or it's out. Yes.

It's out. Yeah. It's out. In collaboration with Got Mick. Right. Got Mick. Yes. Got Mick.

Yes. I want to make sure I said it right. Yes. Got milk. But got milk. But got it. Okay. So when you come out with something like this, it's incredible because you get to control

the story and you get to share more vulnerable parts, I feel like, of your life without having to put it in somebody else's hands. Is that what you found writing the book? 100%. I felt like him and I are such, mind if I look at it. So proud. My baby. We just like, we work so well together.

And I just thought that, you know, both of it, like him being a transmitting. and me being a trans woman. We just, we had grown, it probably had been like, I don't know, four or five years that we'd been friends. Yeah.

And we just thought one day we were like, we should really combine all of our resources, like all of our major connections and like everything we've learned and put it down on paper and write a book about it.

And solidify it. Yes. Yeah. And like, because we get questions every day about like our transitions and stuff. So I was like, let's do it.

Yeah. So we pitched it, sold it and then we got a bunch of our friends to write it in it as well i saw girl when i tell you like in the intro to this they have all of their wonderful amazing friends the most famous people you've ever seen bitch that network knows no bounds girl i was looking at it earlier i was like well damn but this is the book it's amazing the little inside pages and she's sturdy like i love how it's made well it's a guide so we never i had never seen a book like this i had never seen a book like this i never seen, you know, when I started transitioning, I was like, well, what if I want to medically

transition? What if I want to find a doctor for my breasts? Like, where do I go? You know, because I was working with nothing before. What if I want to, you know, talk to a therapist? Yeah. I had to do all that research by myself. So this is a guide and it's a hardcover. It's like a textbook. It's literally like, we are your best friends and we are here for you. Anything you need is in here. It's incredible. And what a wonderful idea too, especially now, like in the world now, which can be so scary and daunting, especially for trans people, to have people like you and Gautmic, like publicly, authentically living your lives. I feel like it's so important. Like, representation is one of the few things that makes me emotional. Don't tell the terrible men.

But I love seeing people like you thrive because in spite of everything terrible that happens and horrible things people say, you guys are still living exactly as you are and who you want to be. And I feel like that's so important. So I'm really happy that you came out with something like this. Oh my God, I love you, Drew. I love you too. So speaking of living authenticity, we're going to talk about some TikToks today. So for those of you who are new, what we like to do on this channel is we bring videos that I was tagged in that are applicable to our topic for today. And then we kiki, giggle, laugh, make fun of it, whatever is necessary. Obsessed. So, okay. So, so, this first one is a woman and she is making a sarcastic, exciting announcement that we don't need gender reveal parties anymore because the American Medical Association is suggesting that birth certificates no longer say boy or girl.

She says now we won't have baby showers because people won't know what gifts to buy the baby without knowing. That's that's insane. That's insane. That's insane. What an insane thing to say. Who wrote that? some random woman. It's giving random. It's giving nameless and faceless.

Yeah, I think the shocking part about conservative ideology like this to me is I don't know what is so bad about being more inclusive. Not once did we say. It's like fear. Yeah, but it's not once did we ever say that anything was going to be excluded. We're just expanding it just a little bit more. If that doesn't apply to you, that's okay. Nobody's saying you can't identify as a boy or a girl. Well said.

That's what I'm saying. There are just some people that don't. And that's okay too. How do you feel about gender reveal parties? When's the last time you've been to one? I've never been to one. I've never been to one either. I think they're silly.

I do too. I really do. Because I don't think it should matter. I think they're cheesy. They are. I think they're always silly. One of them caused that fire, that racking. that ravaged California.

Don't know about that. They had like an extreme, do you guys remember that? They had the extreme genderville party up in the mountains. Like with fireworks? Yeah, and it exploded and lit a fire and that launched all the like

some of the major fires up north. Oh no, bad. Well, yeah, like Northern California, but it came all the way down to LA. So that's how bad it got. But that's why it's like, that's one of those things where it's like, hey, not worth it.

Yeah, it's okay. Well, I think when you're having a baby, like me and my husband are like on our embryo journey, IVF, but I think once you have a baby, you're just any reason to celebrate the baby is a reason to celebrate the baby. People are like, gender reveal, woo!

But I think it's so lame. I think so too. Somebody like Emerada, who's raising her baby, I think she said it's like full on, like literally like going to wait for it to choose. Whatever the baby wants is, I think so inspiring.

It is. And I think I'm going to do that too. And there's like nothing wrong. with that because it's not your baby. So you don't want to do that with your baby. That's cool. Some people do. I just can't imagine being so unemployed that I worry about what other people do in their homes. Hello. I don't know. It's like I can't relate to that feeling, I guess. We neither. But I just don't, you know what I think is cute and what I think is a serve? When they make everything so neutral in the room, like everything's like tans or greens or yellow. Not like blue or pink. No, yeah, no blue or pink. Like they make it like a mavi-y-ton.

or like orange or something super cute. The fuck was that girl saying I don't, uh, I don't know what to get the baby. Yeah, if you don't know the gender. Would a tonka truck or a Barbie? You could just get a toy. Or a diaper. I'll get a bottle. Something.

I'll give you a hint. That baby's not going to know what anything is ever until it's like five. Yeah. And they don't even care about you. No, they don't care about anything. Won't care about you. You'll buy it the most expensive toy and that baby will play with a paper plate. Mm-hmm.

It's all right. Just like my, I have three cats. I'll buy them all the toys in the universe and they'll play with an Amazon box. That's me with my dog. I buy him all the toys in the world and he'll chew on like one silly little thing that he got like that I got him like as a puppy. Like someone hammy down gave me stuff when I didn't know I was going to get a puppy. And he's just like, or he'll just sleep. It doesn't play with anything.

I'm like, that's okay. Same with my cats. You're still perfect. Yeah. That's okay. Love you so much. I love you so much. Are those the only animals you have?

I have three cats, yeah. I used to be a dog girl, but ever since I met my husband, like, I don't even know how long we've been together. Seven years, eight years. We're cat people. You're cat people. I don't discriminate. Honestly, I love both. They're just, cats are, like, I get why the Egyptians worship them.

Because they are just, I look at them and I'm like, oh, my God, like, you're perfect. Yeah, you're so perfect. Like the zenness and just, like, the majestic quality of them walking. I'm like, you are epic. They're so cunt. Cats are so cunt. And like they don't like to be cuddled too often. Like they let you know.

They're real independent. Yeah, it's very female energy. But I have all three boys. Yeah. Because I feel like they're more cuddly. Like anybody that's a cat person knows, like orange cats, orange boy cats, major. Yeah.

Like the best, I would say. I haven't had a cat in so long. I had a Siamese cat when I was a kid. Cute. Yeah, he lived for a long time. He lived for a long time. Are they bitchy? Yeah.

Yeah, he was real bitchy. Yeah, yeah. He was so mean to me. Like hissed at you and stuff? Yeah, like he was so... He honestly, like, I'm just like the landlord and he's the tenant, but he doesn't pay rent. Yes. He's not nice to me.

No. Every animal I've ever had, I've been a bridesmaid, not a bride. Like, every animal we've had, they've attached to a different person in my family. And I'm like, always a Jedi, a Jedi, a Jedi, like, always a Panama, a Jedi. I was going to say, wait, what? I was like, so upsetting to me that I'm never the main. character in any of my animal's lives that included my cat like he you need like a fish yeah he was so like whatevs to me and he became an outdoor cat like he really wanted to go outside so i let him

go out and then he just never really came he only came back to eat they go away to die yeah like he he just like wanted to wander my neighborhood and like impregnate other neighborhood cats and then come back and then he just would eat breakfast and dinner at my house a star a star a star yeah he was like if i was a cat I'd do the same goddamn thing. Yeah, he came up and he was like, anyways. Like, this is not my life. Yeah. And like the morning I, um, that he, uh, passed on. He came, ate breakfast, but he brought me, like, a rat and I stepped on it barefoot on accident. And then I was like, oh my God. Like, I like, I freaked out. Was it dead? Yeah, I was dead. He killed it and brought it to me. But like, that's a gift, though. I know, but I was so pissed in him. Yeah. I felt like, you know how much I hate dead mice.

My cats now will bring me like, my underwear. Like, we'll drag the underwear and meow with it in between their legs and, like, bring it to me and look at me. And they're like, thank you. Like, it's not a rat. It's my underwear. At least it's not a rat. Yeah, but I'm like, thank you. Like, I let them know, like, I know this is a gift. Thank you. But stop. My dog now eats his own poop, so. That's disgusting. Different. Yeah. Don't know why he does it. Do you still kiss my lips? No. Oh, you don't? I don't. Oh, I like totally kiss my lips. I don't kiss him on the lips necessarily Well I do kiss him all over the face

I guess you could say I have kissed him on the lips Why is he eating poo? It's like a puppy thing Because he's still kind of a puppy He's getting better at it now But like he does have to be monitored Because left alone to his own devices He will eat his own shit

Like a lot of men we know Yeah Literally Like a lot of men when they see that I've stitched their video That's them eating their own shit Totally Okay let me get back to this video This says

This is like oh this is the the creator of the video. They said the clump of cells party is in the planning process. I don't even know what that means. I think that she's trying to make like an abortion joke, I think. The clump of cells party?

Yeah, because when you know, when pro-choice people say like that you should have the ability to choose, they're like, oh, it's just a clump of cells. So I think she's like making, you know, they're like liberals. Yeah, what was the second part of that? The clump of cells. Party is in the planning

process because they're taking away boy girl allegedly. So they're like you go. This girl sounds awful. She does. She really does. Like, holy shit. Yeah, literally. Like, you suck. Well, just like, you could still have the party. You just don't have to reveal a gender. You don't need an excuse to bring people together and drink.

Right. I mean? I don't need an invitation. You're having a baby. That's fabulous. Yeah. Minus the mom drinking. Like, it sounds fun. So I don't agree with gender parties, gender reveal parties, but I also at the same time kind of, like, I don't really mind them. Yeah, same. I don't detest them. Yeah. I just don't know

if it's for me. Yeah, I don't, I don't hate them. I just don't think there's really a point. I mean, it's exciting, it's thrilling. Yeah, you have that and then you have baby shower. Like, I just think, just have a baby shower. Yeah, yeah. It's just a reason to get everyone together. That's what I'm saying. Wasted.

Yeah, you don't need an excuse. Yeah. You don't need an excuse. this next comment says people are completely nuts educated dumbasses like talking about people who want to get rid of boy girl when they're old enough to decide

they're going to be so confused on who they are this is going to lead to more suicides I like how they just say things and it's not true not true yeah like I could also just say things that doesn't make it true did you ever have any gender

questioning in your upbringing when you were growing up? Like me personally? Because I always knew I was a girl. Yeah. I've never had anything like that personally, not about my gender. Because I hated men so viscerally, I did at one point think maybe I like women. Okay.

So I did experiment in college. And? I turned out I liked men. Okay. And then I was how severely did you experiment? I like fooled around with girls. Like, but how much? Not all the way.

Okay. Yeah. Not all the way? No, because it didn't get me anywhere. Didn't hit. Yeah. Once it started, I was kind of like, damn. So it's giving like makeout.

Yeah, I was like, you're so pretty though. Like, yeah, yeah. I wish. I was like, that means. I love that you gave it a good college try. I tried. I did try because, and the only reason why it was because I literally find men disgusting and I always have.

And I never had crushes really growing up like on men or women. And so it wasn't until I got older that I found out about, like, like being, you know, different kinds of sexuality. Like, sexuality's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so fluid. Pan A. Yeah, so fluid. I never really knew about that in college.

So then when I got older, I was like, oh, that's so interesting. Like, I'd never, if I had thought about that, maybe I would have explored. But then I found out I like men. Mm-hmm. Only the 1% of men. Yeah, the one man in 7 billion. Literally. That's why, like, I dated men in college, too.

And that's how I knew. I was like, I know. A lot of guys just, it's, it's like one thing will be like, oh, you suck. Yeah.

I know. And I never feel that way about women. Like, just shut up. I just, I love women so much. And I just, I was like, damn it.

I love that you tried though. I did try. Yeah, I did try. Because I was like, I viscerally hate them. Maybe I'm not attracted to them. Right.

That's what I asked myself when I was like, you know, 18, 17? Well, yeah, I think, I think, you know, the person saying that they're going to be, the kid is going to be raised and grow up to be so confused or whatever they said. Yeah. I think that's bullshit because I was told that I was a boy growing up. Yeah. And I conform to that when I didn't feel that.

But I later found out that I could be trans. Like, I could come out as my authentic self and like my soul could be seen. Yeah. So, you know, I think that that's just bullshit. Yeah. Like, you know what you are. Yeah. And they think they know better, first of all, and they don't even know you or anyone else that is trans at all.

Yeah. But they also don't apply it the same way, like what you're talking about, which is like enforcing heteronormativity on everyone, which is like the default setting. They, every time they raise children regardless of how they may personally identify, they assign them something at birth. So they're automatically enforcing the gender binary. They're automatically enforcing heteronormativity. But God forbid you don't do that at all. And you kind of let them choose. They're like, that's weird.

I was like, no, it's actually much more freeing. Yeah, it's getting alt control delete. Yeah, yeah. It's actually like far more understanding and inclusive. And also it doesn't really cost you anything to like let them decide for themselves what they want to do. like fear and anger yeah okay let me go on to this next video okay so this is a man and this man is simply saying gender pronouns are ridiculous and that everyone would be happier if we all just called ourselves men and women I mean if you were to like take non-binary people out

for the sake of this discussion um trans people are saying that they are identifying as a man or a woman, just not the way you like. Yeah, I think, you know, I am a very binary person. Yeah. I am fully female. I'm not on that spectrum at all. So I can't relate with that. Yeah. But writing this book, we have so many people in here that have written essays. And I have, I've never felt closer to, like, the non-binary, non-conforming community. And I think it's something that people need to open their minds to. Absolutely. I think it's something that, you know, We need to value. We need to see. And it takes courage to come out as something, you know, different. Other than the gender binary.

Yes. It's like it's something to be applauded. And I think to discredit that is just, it's so ridiculous and it's just not fair. Again, like unemployed business. Like that's the business of an unemployed person. Yeah. Totally. Who like fafts and worries and stresses about what,

Non-binary people are doing. Like, shh. Go back to Dunkin' Donuts. Do you know what you could achieve in your life if you put that energy towards like a job or making money? Anything. Literally anything. Yeah. Like literally anything at all.

You could pick and yet you choose to do this. I also think too when they talk about pronouns like, oh, that's so ridiculous or whatever. And they just, or they refuse to address people by the pronouns. that they have chosen for themselves. Awful. Yeah, I just think that's a conscious choice. You're actually making life harder for yourself. And it shows your insecurity as well.

Yeah. Like growing up in high school, I'll never forget when I first, when I was like, oh my God, as my previous gender, I was like, I think I might be gay. I was so hateful to anyone else that was gay. I was using, you know, that's so gay more than anyone. Yeah. It's just overcompensation.

Yeah. So anybody that's not down, it's like, oh, are you going through it too? Yeah. You're like, are you okay? You care a little too much. Yeah. Yeah. Like, are you okay?

For someone to be so, like, rustled and upset by something that doesn't affect you at all. Right. And I always think, too, like, if you refuse to use proper pronouns or inclusive language or whatever, like, you really, you really got to be, like, working overtime being a bigot for that to be a hindrance to your life. Like, someone says, hey, like, you really, you really got to be, like, you really got to be, like, you really, you really got to be, like, you really, you really, you really, you really, you really, my pronouns are they them like you really got to overwork to misgender them it's not that hard that's why i'm like you got to be hateful 24-7 like just don't talk to them for that to be stressful you're like hating openly all the time yes i don't understand yes like are you are they them too do you want to have a conversation yeah i can't with people like that i'm like i don't

understand how that could possibly be like something that holds you back from getting things done. Right. I can't relate to that. Like, not even a little bit. Like, I'm going to go on and write about it. Like, oh my God, you are sick, bitch. You are. Yeah. And unhappy. Mm-hmm. And ugly. People are, though. You know, like, people are.

Yeah. And with all this visibility, I feel like the trans community is really just like blasted out there now in like the non-binary community. So everyone's seeing it. Everyone's seeing it. And, you know, people have to look in the mirror every single day. So they're looking at themselves like getting angrier. Yeah. Like I might be a trans woman too, but I'll never do it.

Yeah. So I'm going to hate on this bitch. Well, yeah. And it's like, well, then you're just a coward. Like, you're contributing to like the oppression of marginalized groups, specifically trans people. And like, there's like open trans genocide happening right now currently. All of that is happening. And you're such a coward that because you may feel some type of women may stir something up inside of you, you can't even stand up.

You can't even mind your own business. Like, you don't have to, even if you don't want to stand up for the community. You don't have to talk about them at all. Don't attack it. Yeah, you could just turn the other way. Like, it's like actively seeking it out to be awful. I'll never understand. I won't either.

I never understand. It's just so much easier to turn away or just blindly support. You're like, that's fine? It's your identity. That's great. Yeah. I think it's supporting anything bad. Yeah.

And you don't have to look at it. Like, no one's forcing you to look at. That's why with the whole. our friend like my friend Dylan you know Dylan and like the Bud Light thing like that whole thing happening where people were being awful towards her and they were boycotting Bud Light or whatever that whole entire situation I was like you guys are so sick in the head like first of all you're drinking Bud Light

I don't like beer yeah well Bud Light is not good so it's fine wait why it just tastes like trash oh I thought you meant the company yeah yeah I don't like any beer Yeah, I don't, I mean, I... Like, it's just empty calories. I feel that. Like, I'm eating bread. Like, I'm drinking bread.

I don't know how people eat and drink it, because, like, it's too filling. I would vomit. Yeah, it's too filling for me. Yeah, because it's like, oh, getting you drunk. Like, it's like, I don't feel shit. I feel like, and I'm full. It's so full. Like, my own bloated.

Yeah, like, I have to lay on my left side. Yeah, I don't know who likes the taste, but apparently a lot of people do, so. A lot of hateful people do, apparently. because their panties weren't a bunch when they announced their partnership with Dylan. Yeah, their statement after was a little shocking. I know, I agree. They didn't stand up for her.

At all. Yeah. I read it and I was like, I got to read this again. I was pissed off. Me too. I was mad. I was shocked. I really was.

I was like, who put this out? Well, then I thought, like, you knew what you signed up for when you hired her. So the fact that you guys are backing off is cowardly. Stand behind her. Yeah, literally. And the community. Absolutely. not this blanket weird statement.

I was like, what the fuck is this? I thought the same shit when I saw it. I was like, dude, that's just like, there's got to be more. You guys are cowards. Yes. Literally. And thought that it would be fine.

Girl, I'm like, you'll make way more money off the people who love Dylan than you will off the people who hate her. Stand behind who you work like work with. You know what I mean? It's just like giving cowardly tail between the legs energy. I agree. Even if it's just capitalism playing a role, like let's say we're just talking money, you'll make way more money.

off the people who love her. She drives numbers, bitch. Like, she can sell something. Totally. So the fact that they not only didn't stand up for trans people in general, and especially her, but they took this weird neutral stance to try and save both sides is fucked up. I was like I want to rip my weave out.

I couldn't stand it. I was like, what are we? Is that it? I just think, I think situations like that too, like with her specifically like in people like, I'm going to burn my stuff, whatever.

I always think of, what? They're like gonna burn everything they own that's Bud Light related like they threw it in the trash They were like posting all kinds of like good Yeah I just thought like if your Sense of self is threatened that easily like you're never gonna make it in life Life is a lot harder than that I can promise you that you haven't lived has nothing bad ever happened to you Like I promise you life's a lot harder than that Right like seeing

This isn't the end no it isn't it's just the beginning honestly You just opened your eyes, my love. Okay, so the comments on this video about how we hate, this guy hates gender pronouns. They're just pronouns. Literally, loser. Someone put reject modernity, embrace. What's modernity? Is that like a Zempec?

I think it's like the modern age. Modernity. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I could be wrong. I pounded on the keyboard. And it says embrace mask. Well, those are he-him pronouns. I always think that when they're like, I don't do those pronouns.

No, I don't do those. You know, you see, they're like, what are your pronouns? I don't do those. And then you go, okay, well, then I'll call you she, her. Yeah, what's up, girl? I'll call you a queen. Totally. And they're like, well, no, I'm a man.

Then you do have pronouns. Uh-huh. Their brain just, that hamster is working overtime in there. It's probably because they want to be girls. Or they're wearing like, panties under their like trousers. I just think like what? It's okay if you, if you're a man, that's okay.

You can, not to me, but like you can say that. You can be a man. It's very okay if you're a man. This one says they're just, they're just pissed biology always says the truth. So they create some stupid thing. Majority society should rule call it self-identity, not gender. Spin me a yarn. don't you?

I mean, it's giving a sonnet, tumbleweed. Yeah. Is that a limerick? It's like a hykoo. It's like a haiku. It's giving haiku. Literally. I think people are just so ignorant these days.

Like, it's just like what, like, how can't you see that somebody can live differently than you? That's, that the very, like, very, very bare bones of it. That's not my life. That's okay. Like, it's fucking fine. It's okay. Yes. And like, you can learn and you'll maybe be happier.

after my love. That's why I said it cost you nothing to be more inclusive. Yes, exactly. No, that was so well put what you said earlier. I feel like people are just so quick to be ignorant and bigots. And it's like once they meet somebody

or get inspired by like a trans person or a non-binary person that they meet, it's like a light goes off. Yeah. I see it all the time whenever I do like meet and greets or whenever I'm like out or whatever and like, you know, like somebody will come up to me and like their dad

or their mom is behind them. And I'm just like hanging out, talking with them, whatever. I'll crack a joke and I'll see like a little smile from the sidelines. And then they like warm up to me. Yeah. And I'm like, they definitely thought that they're like, you know, child was obsessed with like a weirdo or whatever they think of me as. And then I turn them and they're like, oh my God. Like she's actually kind of cool.

That's crazy. You know? And like it's like it literally is like all these people writing this. It's like you don't even mean that. Like stop. Yeah. And it's also what's sad is like they should. They shouldn't have to like see you to humanize you.

They shouldn't have to meet you in person to believe that you're a human deserving of rights and choices. Yeah, 100%. And that's the part that really blows me because I'm like, I don't need to like meet you. Like for example, this f-ass dude who made this video, I don't need to meet him to know that he's unemployed and ugly. I don't need to meet you to know that. I'm getting the real experience from real life guys. This is epic. I could get those vibes just off.

this like when I read these I don't see faces at all but I know you're ugly I don't even think that that made sense believe it grammatically no it didn't I don't think there's like words missing yeah but the guy who created this video like I can't see what you look like but I know you're ugly just based off this I don't need to meet you to know that I know you're a terrible person I know you're unemployed I know smell bad yeah I know you're probably short I know you're probably like eight eight and a half size shoe like shave all your pubic hair but have like so many razor burns like try but fail just red Bumps.

Yeah. Try but fail. Red bumps. Mama. You buy deodorant, not antiperspirant. Yeah. Like boxers. Like boxers.

Like ones that are like have holes in them and they're old. Like you've had them since you were seven. Yeah. And they're white. But they're now like kind of a gray color. I. That's so sick. Holy shit.

The stench in those? Girl. No. Let me tell you something. Not at all. I think like that's one of those things that really annoys me because I'm like, someone could tell me what their life experiences and how they identify. And it cost me nothing to be like, okay, cool. Sounds good. Like when I started dating my,

my boyfriend now, like, I think we're going on seven years now. But like when I first started dating him, my sister, my sister's gay. And she had a partner at the time. And so we hadn't hung out in a while. And so like when we hung out for the first time in like a few years, he's like, so what's new? I was like, nothing much. My sister is a lesbian. though. Like just came out. Yeah, my sister is gay. No, she's been out for a minute. But, like, I didn't know if he knew. Okay. So I was like,

she's gay, by the way. Thoughts on that? You have any thoughts? Gay friends around you? Ever? Yeah, me, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But him, I wasn't sure because I hadn't seen him in a few years. So I was like, do you have any thoughts on that particular? Yeah. And the fact that my sister is gay? Imagine he did?

Yeah. Girl, we wouldn't be here. Oh, my God. That's why I said. I would be like, are you okay? I told me. Like, do you want to answer that again? He had like, I brought that up immediately, like the second question that we talked, like small talk. That's my version of small talk. No, that's major. Because I'm like, get this out the way now.

Like, and so he was like, cool. And then I was like, first test passed. Yes. And then he, my boyfriend was a sociology major. And my boyfriend. I think you're going to say sociopath. No. I was like, okay.

No, that's me in the relationship. Yeah, yeah, same. But he, he was a sociology major and he took a lot of, uh, women's studies courses and like courses on. So you guys are like so perfectly matched. Gender and sexuality. Like he learned all about that stuff. So he talked to me a lot about it and I was like, all right.

Maybe I don't hate men. Mm-hmm. One man. Liar. So you're lying. Yeah. So I don't hate all men. Yeah.

That's what I always, that's what they always say. The, um, I think that's the biggest test you could just hit someone with. Yeah. See their reaction. Absolutely. Because I think inherently we are so, I think we just like know the vibes, you know, know how to like read a room. So if you ask someone like a hard hitting question like that. Yeah.

Which isn't honestly even that hard hitting. No, not at all. But it is. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, do you hate gay people? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. What up? Oh. Exactly. And I've told people, when people ask me like, how do I know if he's like a good guy like early on? So I don't like waste my time. You know.

I'm like, you know, first of all, you do know. Yes. Like you have a gut feeling. 100%. And I was like, but second of all, ask up front. Like, do you hate gay people? Who'd you vote for? Where were you on January 6th?

Ask all those questions up front. Get it out of the way. And then you don't waste any time. Or just live in delusion. That you could do that too. For the rest of your life. Yeah. You could do that.

I was like, I'd rather die alone. Yeah, yeah. I did it. I did it. I did it. Thankfully, I'm not going to unlike the man who made this video, though. It's a loser. He was such a loser.

It just cost you nothing, I feel like, and I feel like you guys, men like that or women like whoever, just bigots in general, they put way too much energy, all of that energy that they put into that, they could just put into shut the fuck up. Honestly.

Personally. And just I just have experienced it so many times. Even like some trans girls that I know, they have been so hateful to me. And then I see that they've come out as trans. That's crazy. I'm like, okay. And that's why in this book

we have a chapter called Competition Within the Community. Okay. And I think it's so funny because you would think, I think a lot of people think like, oh, all trans people stand together. The gays are all together.

Yeah. The LGBTQIA plus community. But there's so much hatred within it. Because of how everyone's been conditioned. Exactly. And I think that is just, it just, the comments like these, I'm like, girl, give it a few years.

really like i pray for you like love you and that's honestly what i think about when i think about like my trans friends like how i'm just in such admiration of the patience that they have and the understanding and the empathy that they hold for people who are really really hateful towards them because like you said like sometimes they're struggling with their own identity or sexuality whatever it may be sometimes they're just hateful but like sometimes it is tied to something. And the trans community, as much vitriol and shit and horror that you guys suffer, they still hold the most empathy for anyone. It's crazy. We're patient bitches. I'm saying. I mean, I'm like the most impatient person, but I think maybe I'm not now. Well, when it comes to like,

I'm like, yeah, I'm kind of patient. No, you are. Like, all my trans friends are so incredibly, like, understanding and empathetic towards like the most hateful comments that they get because they're like, well, I know what it feels like. Like what you were saying, like, I went through a period where I struggled with my own kind of, like, internalized biases, which I feel like we all have to some capacity. 100%. But what's crazy is how they show up for others. You know what I mean?

Like, the trans community always shows up for others. I'm thinking about one friend of mine in particular, and she is, like, one of the most resilient, beautiful, strong trans women I know. And she teaches, I see that in her. You know, like, I don't really see that in myself, but seeing her, I'm like, she could never be knocked down. She can, like, I've seen her be dealt the worst cards, have the worst days, and just like the worst luck. And I just see her and I'm like, you are a strong bitch. Like, you are the reason, like, you are one of the strongest women I know.

You are the reason why people should look up to trans women. Yeah. And she inspires me. She's younger than me, but she is the reason. I feel like at the, when I first started transitioning, I always made a joke. I'm like, I'm more women. I'm more of a woman than women who were born women. Because I had to fight and I had to like do all of this, you know, to create myself basically.

Yeah. And I see that within her. And it's so inspiring. And I think thank you for saying that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It inspires me endlessly. But it also like it's, it's, it inspires me like in a just like in a sociological sense.

But it also inspires me personally. because I feel like trans women, like you said, have had to fight for so long and continue to do so even now, not just for themselves, but for other communities as well, whatever intersections they may sit at. But they have such a strong sense of self, like, so confident in who they are and what they like and what they want. You have to. And I love that. Yeah, you just have to. For so long, we've been told what we want, who we are. Yeah.

So, like, now it's like, no. Yeah. Yeah. Like they, it's just like how confident you are in the decisions and how you choose to be perceived by the world is something that I envy and I wish that. You're the same way. Yeah, I think so. Are you a trans woman? We are one and the same. To an extent, yes, absolutely.

And I feel, but I feel like to my path was obviously a lot easier. And that's why, because that's not something that has oppressed me personally. But that is something that I admire because I feel like, well, first of all, trans women, make the world go around for many reasons. But they have inspired so much of what is now youth culture today. Anything that you like, more oftentimes than not, can be traced back to the LGBTQIA plus community. Hello, always.

Everything. Oh, yeah. Anything that's popular, trending, hip, whatever for the young Gen Ziers, that's like literally it can all be drawn back to where it came from, which is black trans women, but also the LGBTQIA plus community. I want to live here. I'm trying to live where you got. Like where y'all are at, literally.

That's why I'm like, you guys, you just inspire me. You inspire the . Oh my God. I've inspired me too. I love you. I love you. And so what else do you want people to know when it comes to living your most authentic life and being, being like the truest form of yourself?

I think the most important thing about being authentic and being true with yourself is really checking in with yourself. Because you can get really comfy at the place that you're at. Yeah. You know, even in a week, you can change. You got to really check in with yourself, make sure that you're happy, that the people around you are good, making you feel good, and any changes that you want to make in your life. You know, like coming out as trans is a huge feat, obviously. But, you know, after that, there's so much work to be done.

Yeah. And I'm still transitioning. Like, I'm off hormones now. Me and my husband are trying to do this IVF journey, trying to create an embryo. So it's like the journey is never done. So just always keep checking in with yourself. self because that I don't know why I get so bothered by the word authentic like my authentic self I don't know why it makes me cringe but it it really does make you more authentic you know

how am I feeling today yeah you know absolutely and I feel like to I mean even I even so as women like we're taught for so long and conditioned like socially to always prioritize the needs of others and how checking on how everyone else is feeling so I feel like that's even more important like especially now in this day and age where we're exposed to so many things and so much media that we should like you said be checking in see how we're feeling see what we want what we really want what we want to do that kind of stuff yeah something that I heard actually on a podcast yesterday I forget which one but it was that our inner saboteur like the voices the negative voices we hear like in our head yeah they're not us yeah and we can ignore them yeah and it really

like I've heard that before, whatever, but it just really like hit me. And I feel like it was like an awakening within myself. I'm like, oh my God. Like those are literally a projection of society, whatever one else is doing, what everyone else is thinking, how I should feel, what I should do. Yeah. So you don't have to listen to those. And it's how you talk to yourself is what matters. Yeah.

Absolutely. I think we're also the meanest to ourselves too. Yes. So like like you said, that's what those voices aren't us. Yeah. That's when they creep in, I think. When you start listening to them is when you start being really mean to yourself. Like, no one's ever going to be meaner to you than you.

So I feel like that's why, like you said, it's really important that you talk yourself up a lot. I've learned that too, like listening to a podcast or like reading self-help books. Like how you talk to yourself is important. It matters. It matters. When you were an athlete, like a soccer player back in the day, did you ever be like, oh, I'm going to like, I'm going to suck at this match? I'm going to like totally bomb this just to like keep the standards low. So when you do something good, the success is hard.

Yeah, absolutely. I did that all the time when I was a diver. Yeah, absolutely. Especially when I knew it was going to be harder. I'm like, well, it's hard. So if I do bad, like it's like me setting the bar low. Yes. Yeah, like you said.

So if I exceed it, I'm like, oh my God. Oh my God. I'm major. Oh my God. I did so good despite me being horrible. Yes. Or almost being horrible. Yeah, absolutely.

I feel like I still do that now, but it's way less. And I think that that's something that. that everybody can work on because how you talk to yourself really does matter. Yeah. And it literally makes you like a happier person. It makes you more like positive. Yeah. Your relationships are better.

Yeah. Your life turns out like everything starts to fall into place I think too sometimes. Yeah. When you really work on how you talk to yourself. Because it's important. Yeah. Oh, I love to manifest. I don't really know manifestation.

Oh girl. I love to manifest. I feel like I do naturally. But like yeah. Yeah. That's like calls in the astrology card. Girl, everything you have in life, I bet you manifested it. I think so too.

but like just don't think about it. It just happens. I'm so lucky and everything good happens comes my way or whatever. Yeah, all that. Yeah. The bag of chips. Yeah. Okay. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I adore you. Thank you for having me. I adore you too. You're incredible. You're such a legend. What do you want to tell people about your amazing book? So the T-guide is available now wherever books are sold. Me and Got Mick wrote it. We were really, really, we were really inspired by each other's stories. You'd think that, you know, a trans man and a trans woman wouldn't really have that much in common, but we really do. Yeah. And we're just so proud of it. My dad wrote in it.

I just flipped to his page. Oh. So cute. And although it is a guide for transitioning, it really is about the human experience. It's really just about having, you know, empathy for other people and their experiences, along with all of our resources that we've come to know over the past few years. I want to say, I think you're. such a legend. I think you're such an inspiration. And I'm proud to call you a friend. And I think

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