The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - IT'S NOT ALWAYS FOR YOU | Drew Afualo ft. JStoobs | THE COMMENT SECTION EP 38

Episode Date: November 2, 2022

[video available on Spotify] Drew welcomes Megan Cruz (@JStoobs) to the show this week for a deep-dive into all things film: how male vs. female leads in movies are treated, why gym bros love Batman, ...their favorite horror movies, and so much more! Drew: https://linktr.ee/drewafualo Megan: IG / TikTok Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Then my night's ruined because I'm wikipedying silos and I'm looking up statistics and I'm like, how often do people die in silos? Like is this common? Like, how did he get in there? Like, I'm literally like, I didn't even watch the rest of the movie. I was too busy going, silo death. Like I'm like Wikipediaing it myself. 50-50 if my zippers up or down anymore. Take my pants off at home. They come off easy. I'm like, I thought it was four hours I was walking around. Netflix is a joke presents. Nate Bargatsy, Big Dumb Eyes World Tour. live taping at Into a Dome.
Starting point is 00:00:35 I think it's because I'm peeing so much longer. I watch young people come and go. I like tell my family I'm okay. Nate Bargatsy, May 9th and 10. Live at Into Ito. Get tickets at Netflix at Jokefest.com. Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comments Section show during Spooky Season starring me, your favorite Jimbrough.
Starting point is 00:00:58 Hey, look at that. My sound guy hates that. Sorry, Rumble. Today I am so excited to introduce you to my very wonderful, amazing guest, Megan Cruz, aka J-Steo. We were just talking about your name. Oh, yeah, we were, yeah. It's funny because any time I introduce myself, even it's just as Megan to people, I feel like it throws them off.
Starting point is 00:01:19 They're like, what? Yeah. No, you're J-stubes. Exactly. I've accepted it. Do you have a story behind that name? People always ask me the origin behind my name. And it's like, it's literally, it's just based on nicknames that I had.
Starting point is 00:01:31 because my first initial is J. And then my, it's not even my last name anymore. My maiden name Stubes was like a nickname that I had from that. Oh, cute. So, yeah. So it is technically a name. Yeah. It's just not your name now.
Starting point is 00:01:44 Yeah. And I kept it as one of my middle names because my name was not complicated enough before. I also have always gone by my middle name. Yeah. So whenever I get a call from like a bank or something, they're like, is Janet there? You're all, no. She's dead. There's no Janet here.
Starting point is 00:01:59 Jay Stubes is here, though. Yeah, exactly. You just put that on all your government. That's why I literally saw your name and I was like, Megan Cruz. And then I was like, oh, J-Soup's, got it. That is an incredibly common reaction. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:13 I immediately was like, oh, got it, got it, got it. KKK locked in. The film guru. I absolutely adore your takes. Oh, I adore your takes. I watch them start to finish, like genuinely. I watch them, when new things come out, I'm like, I got to see what J-Stub's things. That's actually impressive because I really abuse the three.
Starting point is 00:02:31 three minute feature on TikTok. You'd be both, babe. So I'm always impressed and people watch my whole videos because I'm like, I, a bitch can be wordy. Same. You're telling me, man.
Starting point is 00:02:42 The amount of times I've had to like, I'm like, damn, I'm at three already. I gotta start over. I know. That's why I have thousands of drafts. Like, I have so many drafts because I'm like, I didn't get to finish.
Starting point is 00:02:51 I didn't get to fit everything in there. I got to start over. The absolute worst is when I am optimistic and I'm like, I can make a one minute video. I can do it. And then you start and you're like, it's never going to.
Starting point is 00:03:01 happen. I don't know how I did it before. I really don't. Because I was fitting it into one minute prior. Like I didn't get three minutes to like late last year. So I was creating content all 2021 with one minute features. I don't know how I did that shit. I truly like I look back at my I mean and that's the other thing is like I look back at some of my old videos and I'm like, oh wow, I've really evolved. Me too. You and me both. You know it's like and just like the adjusting to the format of it. I feel like I look back and I'm like that was a clunky like editing switch. I feel that. But like, it's also just baffling to me that I ever found anything like because I feel like I try to put like nuance into my takes.
Starting point is 00:03:37 And I'm like, how did I ever say anything remotely meaningful in 60 seconds? Maybe I didn't. Same. I mean, some would argue I'd never say anything meaningful. But that's for the person. Do those people really matter? No. They do not.
Starting point is 00:03:50 Yeah. And I'm one of them today. This is quite the look. Yeah, right? That's what I'm saying. I'm like, you know what? I'm going balls to the wall for Megan. And I appreciate that.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Yeah. I was Batman before and now I'm a Jimbrough, one and the same. I can't think of which of those is scarier, honestly. No, seriously? No, literally. The way that people call me, you know that audio when they're like, you want some and it's Batman beating somebody up? That's the amount of people that tagged me in that audio, they're like, this is you.
Starting point is 00:04:20 And I was like, yeah, true. I mean, yeah, and we love you for it. Yeah, it's just beating the shit out of random people that are being awful. And then they're like, well, they're like, is he even really a hero? me i mean listen i feel like it's important some people just need a little encouragement to be moving on the right path and i feel like yeah exactly like you know if sometimes not all encouragement can be gentle you know i live by that role i'm a parent you know sometimes you have to be like listen kid shape up you just roast your own baby back when he couldn't understand me maybe like he's like
Starting point is 00:04:57 whatever it's like crying i'm like oh god you're done you're no fun This is rude, frankly. Like, I was having a nice morning. Is your baby into movies? He is. Yeah, he's four. So now he's got like a ton of opinions on everything. Oh, love.
Starting point is 00:05:12 Yeah. Just like his mama. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It was funny because I did a review for Marcel de Shell. Oh, cute. Did you see? It was so cute.
Starting point is 00:05:20 I haven't seen it, but I love Marcel the shell. It's like the most wholesome movie of the year. It's so cute. Oh, love. And he went to the theater with me and then I was like recording. We had just moved to L.A. So I did have my studio set up. I was like recording.
Starting point is 00:05:30 I was recording in like a space in our living room. Yeah. And he like heard me and he ran over and he was like, I need to say something about this movie. Like I loved it. And so like, I'm so glad you brought it up. Yeah. I have lots of notes. I've been waiting for this.
Starting point is 00:05:43 And it was like totally his time to shine. He like stole the whole review for me. Oh, sweet. I love. Do you have a preference as far as like genre of movie, film, anything like that? So for me, I'm like I hate choices. I'm like one of those people. but I do, I have always kind of been more, mostly drawn to like sci-fi and horror.
Starting point is 00:06:06 And I love fantasy, but I feel like there's never enough good fantasy movies. Yeah. So, and then obviously superhero movies that kind of stuff too. I like comic books. Yeah. That was like originally, I feel like that's what most people know me for, but I also like. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:18 The Marvel DC takes. Yeah. Kind of like, is it your takes or is it more so like, oh, Wanda Vision. That was the era. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah. The good and bad.
Starting point is 00:06:28 Oh, it was. It changed the whole app. Like it changed the whole internet, the way people talk about movies. Yeah. The discourse on whether or not she was justified. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:39 I remember that. Yeah. It's been an interesting year for talking about women in media because we've had a lot of, yeah. There's a lot of real life and characters that have just been, we've really seen the way people react to women in general. Yeah, you don't have to guess. You don't have to dig very hard to figure out how they're feeling about women when specifically their positions in film. Yeah, they like to make it known. And it's really, it's funny to me because, like, I feel like, like, film criticism as a genre.
Starting point is 00:07:13 And I don't consider myself a critic. Like, I, I've talked to my podcast partner, Juju, about this a lot. That, like, we don't, I don't know. I feel like being a content creator is, like, its own thing. Yeah. And I also feel like there's, like, a level of elitism. to film criticism. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:29 That's just like I'm not really here for. Yeah. And I don't, I like giving reviews on movies, but I don't consider myself a critic. And so like film criticism as a whole is like hugely male dominated. And it's literally, it's like, depending on which study you look at, it's generally at least two to one and male men to women. Yeah. And that's not even counting for like the racial disparity. Like the amount of like black women who are film critics, it's like minuscule.
Starting point is 00:07:54 Yeah. And then the critics that are working, they also. it's reflected in their choices. Like a lot of male film critics just don't see or review movies written and directed by women. And it's like, it's not like a choice. It's like unconscious bias, I feel like, but it's like it's, it's an interesting world to intentionally place yourself into knowing that like, you're going to avoid certain films and. Yeah. Like I mean like, and I'm going to get, people are going to, I, I've, I've never seen the Shawshank Redemption. Oh, interesting. Yeah. A lot of people love it. Yeah. A lot of my close friends who also make
Starting point is 00:08:27 about movies are like, how have you not seen this? Yeah. But I'm just like, I don't know. Like, I'll see it one day maybe. But like, it's not a priority for me. And that's T, babe. And I'm just like, I think that's fine. I honestly, I love that. Mostly because I feel like a lot of times, obviously, I'm no film critic, clearly. But I feel like a lot of times the favorites, like movies that are like, oh, this is the greatest film of all time. A lot of times they're male dominated, they're male directed, they're male written, and they're also white men, white, this, straight men. And sometimes they're not even really that good.
Starting point is 00:09:01 Like, if you really were to break it down, they're not that good. They are iconic in a way, but they're not for everybody. And that doesn't mean just because a bunch of straight white men love it, that doesn't mean that it's the best movie of all time. No, exactly. Yeah. If you look at like the IMDB Top 100 is the list that I always come back to because so many, I get so many people, there's like this huge pushback against critics all.
Starting point is 00:09:23 So now people are like, oh, they're so out of touch. And I think that there's like, you know, room on either side of the conversation for like, yes, I do think the like actual art of film criticism does lean into a bit of elitism. Not all the time, but it's like that's where it originated. But at the same time, I think you have to be speaking from an educated place in order to give a critique that really is more than surface level. Yeah. And so like there's a balance between the two. But then, like, a lot of these, like, you know, terms like film bros can be very derogatory.
Starting point is 00:09:57 But I went to film school, so I feel like I can use that. I used to be a phone bro. So, like, you know, I feel like I can embrace it. I'm reclaiming it. Giving it a new name. Yeah. But, like, the IMDB Top 100 is literally just, like, it's voted on by users. It's just people.
Starting point is 00:10:12 And it's mainly, like, again, IMDB is like, I think it's like at least 60%. But I feel like it's higher of their user reviews are written by men. And it's like, the Dark Night Rises is in there. And like the Dark Night trilogy, like the Dark Night itself, I like Batman Begins, I think it's really good. Yeah. I think we can all agree that the Dark Night Rises is not like a top 100 film of all time. Of all time?
Starting point is 00:10:34 You know? Probably not. But like it's in there because. There is a top performance in there, I would say. Yeah. I mean, there's some really good performances. Yeah. Like there's an iconic performance.
Starting point is 00:10:46 Yeah. Doesn't mean it's the best. Yeah. I mean, there's, it's. memorable is okay yeah I do you know what I mean like yeah and I just yeah it's like it's interesting because like the kinds of this is something that I I reiterate in my content all the time is that like the kinds of content the kinds of movies and TV that we have celebrated forever yeah we have to understand
Starting point is 00:11:06 that that was coming from and it was made by and for one specific audience exactly yeah and it's like now and looking back it's like it's hard to criticize movies that at the time were were praised and they're great films, you know? But it's like now everything is mid or like the film criticism we get today. And it's like, okay, well, anybody can get on the internet and say, I think this movie's garbage. And then all of a sudden, everyone's like, same. I'm glad someone's talking about it if it's not the most common, like, critique of the movie as a whole. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:11:39 Yeah. Like, I wasn't a film major, but I did take, I was a communications major was one of my majors. So I, like, had to take film classes for it. And like I watched Citizen Kane for the first time. I had never seen it. Oh, yeah. So I watched it. I was bored.
Starting point is 00:11:55 I'm not going to lie to you. I was so bored. But you know what? I got it. I like watch it. I'm like, I get why this is a movie that people are like such a great film. I get it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Not my cup of tea. Am I going to go online and be like, you guys are a bunch of idiots thinking this is the best movie all time? Like, no. But that's just not my. I wouldn't consider that one of the best movies of all time to me and me opinion. But who am I? That's what I always think. Like, I know.
Starting point is 00:12:17 Who cares? what I think. I mean, well, first of all, I think a lot of people care. I mean,
Starting point is 00:12:23 about movies. But yeah, well, I mean, like, I don't know. I feel like, yeah, I feel like you could do well making a movie,
Starting point is 00:12:28 I mean, I feel like all of your content is just awesome. But I'm going to stop fangirling at some point. I love summarizing movies because, like, sometimes I watch movies
Starting point is 00:12:37 and I'm like, that was the worst thing I've ever seen in my entire life. But I had a good time watching it. Like, yeah. Like, oh, I don't want to call out movies
Starting point is 00:12:44 that I hate. I'm scared. Well, there's one way you know the movie the dressmaker with kate winslet yes but i've never seen it so please like oh my god that movie is bizarre great movie but like i'll spill it spoiler spoilers spoilers guys for everybody who's really concerned about spoilers for the dressmaker for the dressmaker probably like 2015 click off so like this movie i can't believe they had the juice to get her in this movie because she is obviously a top tier talent she was great in it she never misses ever but her love
Starting point is 00:13:15 interest I think was Liam. I almost said Liam Neeson. Liam Hemsworth. I think that's who it was. That's an interesting pairing. Yeah. So then I was like, okay, well, whatever's, right? Go off, girl. Yeah. I love it. But he, like, is, like, a farm hand of some kind and, like, they live in Australia. Okay. I presume she makes dresses. Yes. She makes the most extravagant dresses and, like, she ends up dressing the whole town. I forget the whole movie, but the only part that sticks in my head is, like, he works on this farm and he has brothers or whatever. and like he falls in one of those silos that has like grain in it oh those are like really deadly yeah drowns suffocates i couldn't believe i was like what like it's just so random like he falls in and he's like ah and he dies and then i'm like and then she's like oh grieving and then she like goes
Starting point is 00:14:02 back to making her dresses but in my head i'm like what like what a bizarre way to kill someone like just off all the ways you could kill someone like i don't know why i like couldn't watch the rest of the movie. I was like, wow, you can die in grain. Like, I was just so like, yeah, the movie's like going to drop a fact like that on you. I feel like there needs to be like some foreshadowing. And then you know what? Then my night's ruined because I'm Wikipediaing silos and I'm looking up statistics and I'm like, how often do people die in silos? Like, is this common? Like, how did you get in there? Like, I'm literally like, I didn't even watch the rest of the movie. I was too busy going, silo death. Like, I'm like Wikipediaing it myself. Now you're making me do homework.
Starting point is 00:14:38 That's not fair. No, absolutely. To me. And frankly, like, I, I, Everything that I've learned about, like, grain silos has been against my will. They're, like, surprisingly. You would be both. They're surprisingly in, like, a lot of movies. Like, A Quiet Place uses them, too. Yeah, exactly. And you know, they fall in and they're fine.
Starting point is 00:14:53 Yeah. I watched, I said, this is the dressmaker all over here. I've seen this movie before. Not the same trauma. Please. I loved those movies. I love A Quiet Place. So great.
Starting point is 00:15:04 How randomly talented is John Krasnski as a director? No. He ate. I was like, oh, go off queen. Yeah. Him and his, his, his, his, lovely wife. I mean, literally, a quiet place too was one of my, and a quiet place too, that movie, I still, like, I'm sad because it came out at the worst possible time. They, like, had to hold it for COVID. It was already made.
Starting point is 00:15:25 And then, like, by the time, it was one of the first movies that they, like, released actually in theaters. And, like, I just feel like it kind of just, like, disappeared. It didn't do as well as the first one. Yeah. But it was really good. It was so good. Both of them were so incredible. I remember the first one we went to see in theaters.
Starting point is 00:15:40 I've never wanted to shit myself more in a movie. My sister saw that movie pregnant. Oh, stressful. With the scene where she has to like get birth, I was like, when she steps on the nail and. And she hates horror, but she loves John Grisinski. So she was like, I got to do it. You know, speaking of horror, my sister is like, she loves film and she's a film major too,
Starting point is 00:16:01 but she was like, let's go see Hereditary. And I didn't know, because like this bitch watches all the trailer, she knows everything. And she's like, it's kind of scary. I'm like, kind of scary. You're like scary, scary. No, no, it's just only kind of, I've never been more traumatized by a movie. Great film. Such a great movie.
Starting point is 00:16:18 Yeah, that was your sister intentionally doing violence. She was like, I didn't know it was going to be that bad. She's like, I swear I didn't know it was going to be that bad. Even my boyfriend was scared and he never gets any scared by anything. I'm a big scaredy cat. But he literally was like, I honestly like feel like that movie changed me. No, literally. I was like, same.
Starting point is 00:16:36 Like, I'm a huge horror fan. And Hereditary is definitely like, one of, if not literally the most terrifying movie I've ever seen my life. I've ever seen. I could not believe it. I was like, I was in disbelief at how like, like, almost like sick it made me because that's just how horrifying it was. Yeah. Yeah. I had to go home and like, I'm in my mid-20s, mind you. I had to go home and like watch happy things. Oh yeah. For hours. I was like watching Disney movies. I could not fall asleep. I still sometimes see Tony Colette on my ceiling. And my worst mom, like, uh.
Starting point is 00:17:11 And she killed it in that movie. I'm still angry that she wasn't. She did not get an Oscar nomination for that role. I mean, she deserves, she deserves so many Oscar nominations. Truly, truly. But that monologue when she's like, oh, I said damn red. But also horror gets snubbed a lot at the Oscars as far as I hear. No, that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:17:31 It's like I definitely like, I love genre film, like sci-fi and horror and I mean even like fantasy and like I'm not the, I'm not necessarily. the kind of like Marvel comic book fan that's like they should be nominated for Oscars. Yeah. But some comic book movies are like legitimately contenders for some categories at least. Yeah. But like yeah, like horror in particular, God, they just like. Snubbed. They ignore it all the time.
Starting point is 00:17:55 They do and it's wild. Even that one, even me with very little knowledge of anything. Yeah. I was like, she deserves her flowers for that movie. My God. Like Tony Collette is a literal queen. No, truly. God, I mean, plus she like port.
Starting point is 00:18:08 That role must have been. so traumatizing to take on. I can't even imagine. Oh my gosh. And I keep thinking, I keep forgetting his name, but the guy from the naked brothers man, the younger brother. He's in hereditary. Wait, are you talking about the son? The son. What is his name? Alex. Alex.
Starting point is 00:18:23 Alex Wolfe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The naked brothers man, hey, do you, did you watch? I don't know the naked brothers man. The way I said it is nothing registered. Hey, the Nickelodeon girls are going to eat that up. The naked brother. He was in a Nickelodeon show called The Naked Brothers Man. Okay, this is like when I found out.
Starting point is 00:18:39 With his older brother, Nat Wolf. Okay, all right. And so Alex Wolf ended up going off. Actually, both of them, they're off acting in serious movies and shit. I think the older brother was in, I forget. Oh, no, just kidding. I was going to say Perks of a Welfler, but that was Logan Lerman. A different white kid.
Starting point is 00:18:56 Anyways. Like, they both have gone off to be in movies and all that, but Alex Wolfe was obviously in Hereditary and he was incredible in that movie too. Yeah, I mean, he, God, he was, I didn't say old, which was a little. movie that he also did. I heard it was just wild. It was it wasn't nearly as spooky as I thought it was going to be. I went with the intention of being spooked. I wanted to be like, you know, obviously I'm not Shyamalan right? So I wanted it to be like a huge twist, which it was like it was pretty creepy. But it didn't really give it to me like I thought it was going to. Yeah, Shamelon has had a,
Starting point is 00:19:31 had a few rough years. He's like, I'm a huge, I was a big Shamelon fan. I went to film school like when Sharmlan was like really big. Yeah. So like I was like I'm a huge science fan. I feel like science never gets enough respect. Science is awesome. But like yeah, a lot of people cite the village. I don't think the village was bad.
Starting point is 00:19:50 I think, listen, if I'm going to talk shit about a movie, it's going to be the happening. The happening is. I've never seen either of those movies, so I'd take your word for it. I will tell you this right now. Yeah. Mark Wahlberg as a dramatic lead opposite Zoe Deschano,
Starting point is 00:20:04 and they have all the chemistry that you would imagine. I was going to say. I was literally picturing it and I was like, it was it. That gives me more father, father daughter than it does lovers. I feel like in like 2009 or 2010, it was like around that era.
Starting point is 00:20:21 And they were both at like a peak in their career separately, but together. And like the, God, the twist. Just wooden performances. The twist in that movie. I'm going to spoil a happening for you. Oh my gosh. If you're a big Mark Wahlberg fan,
Starting point is 00:20:33 you should be ashamed to yourself, first of all. Second of all. Spoiler alert. But like, you know, Sean Milan is known for his twist. And, like, the twist in that movie is, why are people killing themselves? What's going on?
Starting point is 00:20:43 Everybody is, like, the whole gimmick is, like, people are committing suicides in, like, really horrible ways and something is making them do it. Yeah. And early on, they're like, I don't know, maybe it's the plants.
Starting point is 00:20:53 And then later, they're like, like, an hour later, they're like, I guess it was the plants. Guys, what a twist. I think it was the plants. Like, it was just.
Starting point is 00:21:02 What the fuck? I tried to outrun the wind. Yeah, for old, it was, I don't know, do you want me to tell you the twist? Please tell me the twist. The twist was essentially they were basically recruiting people with chronic illnesses to go on this retreat, which you don't know in the beginning. Like you just think all these people are randomly at this retreat,
Starting point is 00:21:23 but they all got invited. And they're basically put on this, like, in this little, like, controlled environment, like ecosystem. And they're testing how long they last with their chronic illness. like what they need to survive. It's almost like a drug testing thing. So it's almost like an allegory for like big pharma is kind of what I thought. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:21:45 Maybe I'm a big idiot. But like that's what I thought. That sounds very reasonable. And so they're basically in a controlled experiment, but they don't know that. So they just think the beach is aging them. But they're just getting old on their own. Yeah. Which in essence, it's just the materials and like the rocks and shit is advancing their
Starting point is 00:22:05 illnesses because they want to see how they turn out so they can predict where it goes so they can create medicine to heal. So it's kind of like if they have if they are predisposed to like dementia, the magic minerals and rocks that that block them into the beach advance their illness. So they think they're aging but really, which they are kind of, but it's mostly their illness is like rapidly aging. Okay. All right. And then they're like, see, we watched here like this woman perished of cancer because her cancer was not that advanced and then in stage four in like two days it goes to stage four and then she dies a terrible death okay all right and so and so and it kind of turns into like a lord of the fly situation where they start like killing each other off because they're
Starting point is 00:22:48 like afraid and terrified and yeah and then so like the two kids like there's only one family and there's like two Alex Wolfe is one of them and then his like sister the girl who in the trailer like gets pregnant and has a baby and yeah like 12 or something yeah and it's like six it's like six Yeah, and it's because the minerals are aging them, but, like, mostly they're aging them because they want to age their illnesses. So then the two kids, like, get out. They, like, swim into, like, a thing. And then they get out on the other side and then they figure out what's going on. Good for them.
Starting point is 00:23:17 Yeah. Happy ending. Congratulations. Alex Wolfe, he got out. So I, like, that movie, I was like, oh, okay, cool. But I wasn't, like, blown away. Yeah. Which I was hoping to be.
Starting point is 00:23:29 Sean, one has a new movie coming out that I'm really excited about. It's about, like, this home invasion and, like, like, like, like, like, that. like satanic, like doomsday cult. Oh, is that the, it's with the gay couple, right? Yeah. Yes. It looks good. It does actually look really good.
Starting point is 00:23:41 And I don't know. Speaking of Hollywood giving men all the chances in the world, I do give Shama on a lot of chances. I don't know. I just, I think he's so talented. It's like everybody gets in their own head sometimes. Yeah. It's like, they can't all be winners, you know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:59 In order to get to your sleigh era, you have to enter your flop era. So true. You know what I mean? So true. Big flop, big sleigh. Slay's coming right back here. Right around the corner. Isn't that Jonathan Groff in that movie?
Starting point is 00:24:10 Jonathan Goss? Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah. I forget his name. I think it is. He plays Christoff and Frozen. He does.
Starting point is 00:24:16 Yeah. Look at me. Now I'm Jay Stubbs. I wonder. I know. God, you're going to take my job. Okay. So speaking of film, that's what we're talking about today.
Starting point is 00:24:26 Women and men in film, the disparities as we discussed. Yeah. And how they're perceived, especially on social media. Which is, as you said before, your Wanda Vision takes. Man, did you kick that beehive? Yeah. So Wanda Vision was really when my content, like, reached a lot of people. Well, I mean, kind of.
Starting point is 00:24:47 I talked about Star Wars a little bit before that. That's right. I remember that. I remember you saying in your Wanda Vision, so this is giving me Star Wars from like months ago. That was a quick left turn that I took from there. I was like, you know what, actually, I'm going to step out of this lane immediately. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:02 I love Star Wars, but it is just not worth talking about it on the internet. Yeah. But yeah, and like the Marvel Phantom has gotten that way a little bit. Wanda Vision, I feel like Wanda, Maxmoff as a character, has really just like, oh, she's really just scratched that itch for a lot of men. Yeah. That they just can't seem to get and it just makes them really, she makes them really upset. Yeah, and she's not real. So can you imagine a real woman?
Starting point is 00:25:28 Jeez, Louise. Exactly. Yeah. I don't know. Speaking of Star Wars. I like to compare her a lot to like Anakin Skywalker. Yeah. Because like, you know, they're both good-intentioned protagonists.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Yeah. Who have made some mistakes in Anakin's case, you know, like child murder and genocide. Yeah. A little different. Which people seem really willing to forgive. Yeah. But apparently, like, even like just Wanda Vision, like before Multiverse a Bannas, like Wanda holding a town hostage was like, she's got to pay.
Starting point is 00:25:57 Yeah. Kill her. Literally no character has ever done anything worse. than that in the history of cinema. Not even in the Marvel fandom. No, absolutely not. None of them. I'm like, it's like none of you remember why Tony Stark was so hated around the world. It's kind of crazy.
Starting point is 00:26:12 I've given some choice words about Mr. Tony Stark. Yeah. Literally Wanda Vision, your takes on Wanda Vision, I agree with you. But that's why we were just talking about how like, it's okay to like have critical thinking skills. Oh yeah. You can have two things be true at once.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Like she could have made bad choices and you know she's not a bad person. And we can also just like, I feel like people forget that, like, supporting a fictional character and a story about superpowered people is not necessarily advocating for, like, a real world, like, dictator. Like, I love Loki. I'm not, like, ready for somebody to come and enslave humanity. Yeah. Yeah, it's not really a hill you should die on. That's what I think.
Starting point is 00:26:53 Exactly. They're not real. It's okay. This has been, I feel like my greatest enemy in taking on a film criticism on the internet is the literalism that a lot of people engage with media with. Yeah. Because people really be just like super literal. They love to conflate.
Starting point is 00:27:09 It's yeah. Like, oh, well, like this character did a bad thing. So if you like that character, you're basically like... Supporting genocide. Yeah. And you're like, well, see, it's different because she's not real. So it's all fiction, babe. It's not real.
Starting point is 00:27:25 Like, we could all say anything and it's okay. Exactly. So who cares. And people just, I don't know. Like, I feel like the whole point of storytelling, I've talked about this so many times that people's it still people still don't get it yeah it's like like when i love anti-heroes so like there are same whether it's wanda or loki or whoever you know other characters that are not in the marvel universe um that's walter white even yeah i feel like the point of storytelling
Starting point is 00:27:48 is to get people to like relate to a character and stories need to be interesting so a lot of times people tell like a fantastical or extreme version of a character doing really bad things and then having a redemption arc. And we've reached this point where people are like, well, that was literally shouldn't be redeemed for those things that that person did. And it's like, yeah, no, in the real world, like, that's why we put serial killers in jail. Yeah. And sometimes still they get a Netflix series made about them inexplicably.
Starting point is 00:28:18 Yeah, T, T, T, T. It's also, it's the same sentiment to like, like, a Dexter. You know what I mean? It's like, okay, Dexter is like technically an antsy hero. Like, yes, he's murdering people, but they're. bad people. But I also think to myself, like, in the real world, life is not that black and white. It's really not like, it is to a sense. Like, if you kill people, you're bad. Yeah. Those, those things are obvious. Yeah. But if we're talking in the context of like fiction and it's
Starting point is 00:28:47 storytelling and it's all tied together, like, you can watch it and be like, okay, this might be a little different. I might feel a little bit differently because of X, Y, Z. Yeah. It's okay. You can have your feelings. You're entitled to them. Exactly. Like, I've never. you know, taken out somebody's eye and tried to invade New York City. But I have, like, wronged, like, friends or, like, my sisters before. Yeah. And had needed to work through, like, my relationship with people because I was in the wrong in a relationship. Yeah. And I feel like those are the ways that you're meant to relate to these characters. It's like, I like Loki because he feels inferiority complex because of the way he was raised by, frankly, a really bad
Starting point is 00:29:31 dad. Odin sucks. Yeah. And like he and Thor need to like work through their stuff as characters. Childhood trauma. Exactly. And come together. And so it's like that's the level you relate to the character on. Not like, you know what? Actually. I just, I really, I'm gonna see if I can open a time warp tunnel so I can travel to another. Maybe there's a real Thanos. Maybe I can just like work for him for a while. Yeah. That's literally me. Listen, I mean, you do snap and like half the universe is dusted. That's why I was like, I, I, I was like, I think that's true.
Starting point is 00:30:03 It's like the human aspect of them. Like that's the point of storytelling. Yeah, you relate to that part. Exactly. It's not the part where they enslave people. It's the part or the part where they control the minds of other people. Yeah. Because you can't do that in real life, so you can't relate to it.
Starting point is 00:30:18 For those of you who didn't know, you actually can't. It's not possible. It's not real. Believe me, I've tried. I really have. I mean, I feel like if anyone could, you could. I'm doing my best. I'm going to be, but instead of like, Loki.
Starting point is 00:30:31 I'm going to be more like in the SpongeBob Squarepants movie where he like gets the helmets, like the chum bucket helmets. I just go, and then they just control everybody. And I'm, I'm plankton on the little controlling everyone. I'm like, seize him. That's literally me.
Starting point is 00:30:45 No, I mean, yeah, I can see that. And I support that. And, you know, I don't support murder, but I do support the empowerment of women. There you go. And you know what? If you don't, you hate women and you say that. Okay, so we're going to get into these videos.
Starting point is 00:30:58 These videos, obviously, if you've never seen before, we bring them here. They apply to our topic. We pick them apart, laugh, share all the giggles, all the fun stuff. So this first video is basically a TikTok user posted a video with the caption. Reasons why people dislike Brie Larson, part one. Slippery Slopery Slope, my friend, not a strong start. And it says, and it's clips from an interview she did promoting a Marvel movie with Chris Hemsworth and Don Cheadle. In the clip, she's very confident and talking sarcastically about the film of her co-stars. And the person who posted the video said this was irritating. And they just don't like her as Captain Marvel. Yeah. Shocker. I cannot believe that someone like a man, for example, hates a woman superhero. I know. That's a very strange and foreign concept.
Starting point is 00:31:46 It's so unique. I've never seen that before. And my life is so new. I did try to wrap my head around that first I can see if I get in the right head's face. I can't believe that. No, I mean, literally, I mean, like, I was going to say poor Boree Larson. Like, she's doing fine. Yeah, she's fine.
Starting point is 00:31:58 She's absolutely killing it. But, like, yeah, the way that people talk about Brie Larson is absolutely unhinged. Like, it's weird. It's actually insane. Yeah. Like, actually. Like, someone should be checking on these people. Like, I just.
Starting point is 00:32:15 Truly. You know? Truly. I have seen so many videos attacking Brie Larson. And, like, there are probably literally thousands of, like, three hour, like, body language experts on YouTube that are like, this is how you can tell that she's actually the anti-cru. Those are the, this is how you can tell that she's actually annoying. And it's like, at that point, it's opinion, right?
Starting point is 00:32:38 Yeah. You find her irritating? That's on you. Like, I think that, like, that's fine. You find people irritating, just admit that. Yeah. Because the thing is, if they admit that, then it's just, like, being a hater at your very core or being a misogynist. And they don't want to confront that.
Starting point is 00:32:54 So they try to, like, find shit to, like, validate their unnecessary hatred. Like, yeah. It's just, like, you hate something. seeing women succeed. You hate seeing female superheroes be more powerful than the male ones, whatever that means to you. And then for some reason, it stir something up inside you. And then you have to be like, well, look at how she sits in this chair. What the fuck? You're insane. I wish that more people would just embrace the doctrine of being a hater. Because if you want to be a hater, like, be a hater. Like, that's fine. But don't,
Starting point is 00:33:23 like, attach some, like, faux, like, pseudoscience morality to it. Like, well, this is actually why this person is justifiably hateable. It's like, just say that you're like, you know, a little bitter about whatever and like, you don't like him. Sorry my life, though. Oh, my God. I'm like, wouldn't it just be easier to say hate women? Like, I just feel like the short, it's like a shortcut.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Like, I don't need to hear the like, well, this is like, honestly, in my opinion, in your opinion, that doesn't make it fact. That's the sad part is like you could say anything and it doesn't mean it's true. Well, and real arson, I mean, like, the other thing is like, it's just so obvious. It's so on the nose because. Bree Larson was already getting attention for the costume for Captain Marvel because, like, I'm going to nerd out here for a second. But Captain Marvel is a character in the comics who, like, originally started out as a character called Miss Marvel. And she wore like a really cute little black body suit with no legs and a sash.
Starting point is 00:34:17 And she looked like, you know, superhero Barbie. She looked great, you know. But it's a later iteration of her that has her as Captain Marvel. And she's also not the first character to have that name, but it's fine. So like, yeah Choosing to take Brie Larson and put her in like a full coverage, like jumpsuit essentially, people were already mad and like, well, she doesn't look like the character.
Starting point is 00:34:40 How can I jerk off to her if I cannot see the tities? Like, I feel like... It's a struggle, you know? How is my penis supposed to enjoy looking at a full coverage lady? And that's really what movies are for, you know? At the end of the day, I am here, as you can see, for the. for the male gays. You and me both.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. And it's also like, it's such a, like when she got her, the haircut too. Oh, yeah. The way that they were like, why would you have a problem? The cherry on top was when she, I can't even remember what award ceremony it was, but she received some award and she went up there and she used her platform to give her speech, which, you know, it's an award.
Starting point is 00:35:25 It was maybe like five minutes of talking time. that she had total. And she got up there and talked about the disparity in film critics and how women are vastly underrepresented
Starting point is 00:35:36 and she specifically mentioned a wrinkle in time which was a big movie that Oprah made which they changed the lead to be a young black girl and it was incredible like a wrinkle in time
Starting point is 00:35:44 is such an iconic story and she was particularly calling out the fact that most of the critics that reviewed that film were white men and the movie
Starting point is 00:35:53 just isn't meant to appeal to them in the first place so her point was justifiably, if we just open a few doors and allow for more diverse critics, other, more women, more women of color in particular, maybe the film would have been received differently. And the way a film is critically received can have huge impacts on the weather we get more of that type of film. And, you know, so it's like it has huge ripple effects. Or people cast in those roles. Exactly. Yeah. It has huge ripple effects in the industry. And that was her point. And people just said, oh, well, Brie Larson hates white guys. And from then on, everyone. No one's more oppressed, if I'm being honest, than a white dude. Let me tell you. Let's spend a good 20 minutes talking about how hard it is to be a white man right now.
Starting point is 00:36:34 It is so hard in this world. I'll tell you, listen, as a strong white man myself currently. And I mean, yeah, and I'm so glad to have your representation here because white men are so underrepresented. That's what I'm saying. In film, in music, like, and that's always what it is. It is. And that's why I brought that up once when I was talking about. about the criticism of my content, which is obviously on a much smaller scale, but when the criticism
Starting point is 00:37:03 of my content is always like, she's too much, too mean, too aggressive, that lends towards a larger issue, right? And I always say this argument primarily comes through the lens of a white man, like always. When I say always, it's always, because it's rooted in white supremacy, the, like, expectation that you are entitled to a mature and educational response, no matter how vitriolic you are to others. You matter how you harm or hurt the people around you, you're always entitled to understanding and patience. That's white supremacy.
Starting point is 00:37:35 Absolutely. And I talked about that and I was like, of course, like Neanderthals who watch it are like, well, you always have to bring up race because it always affects everything. It absolutely does. It plays a role in every single aspect of life outside of the internet. Believe it or not, like we all live in our own bodies and skin outside of the internet. So when white men want to tell me how to properly react to bigotry, it's not valid to me because you don't know what it feels like to be me.
Starting point is 00:38:07 Oh, it's tone policing too. Yeah, it's always tone policing. But that's the point. Like, you don't get how it feels. So it's not really up to you how I react to it. And they're like, well, I would never, I just like me personally, I would never, then don't. Yep. That's why I always say, then don't.
Starting point is 00:38:20 Like, you don't have to make fun of what people look like. I'm going to. Do whatever you want. Do whatever you want, babe. like this is a free country like you always like to sell other people. No, I mean, when you cite the Constitution, you like to talk about free speech. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:38:32 Feel free. No, I mean, in like the film criticism side of things, it happens all the time too where like I see men offering these critiques and I'm like, listen, I, it's, of course you're allowed to have your opinions. Of course your opinions are valid. Like, just like anybody's are. Yeah. But I'm just saying, why do you think you should be putting yourself on the internet leading
Starting point is 00:38:50 a conversation about the significance of this female character when it's like, can you even speak to that experience? Should you be trying to? Exactly. And it's okay to admit, like, well, this isn't an experience that I personally have had, but this is what I liked about the movie. Like, it's okay to remove yourself or at least acknowledge that you yourself can't speak to the experience. Absolutely. But you're right. Like, why would you want to review it if, like, if you personally feel like you aren't represented in the film, then don't review it. Like, yeah, I brought it up on, uh, on another episode too where, uh, the turning red. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Remember that review written by an older white man.
Starting point is 00:39:28 Yes. What would you know about being a young Asian girl? Yeah. What would you know about that? Nothing. Yeah. Going through puberty with like a first generation child, like what would you know about that?
Starting point is 00:39:37 Nothing. Exactly. So like, of course, they're like, I just feel like, I didn't, it didn't relate to me at all. Oh yeah. Well, and I also just feel like we're so generous like with this. We're so generous with the idea that like, oh, well, you know, like I even have gotten to this point where I feel like saying it's not for me.
Starting point is 00:39:55 is like, well, I mean, no shit. Like, I mean, like, but like, women and minorities have been relating to characters that don't represent them for literally, like, since the dawn of time. And it's like, I just, I don't, I feel like you're really just not even trying. And it just, it's so apparent that, like,
Starting point is 00:40:14 there are people that are willing to try. There are. But there are so many people out there that, even, like, most of the time they won't give the time of day, or worse, there are people that, you know, run whole YouTube channels where they've made it their life's goal
Starting point is 00:40:27 to make as many three hour along YouTube analysis videos about movies that came out seven years ago just to call the protagonist to Mary Sue. And it's like, babe, like, maybe you should get a hobby. A job, girlfriend, a bitch, I don't know, anything at all.
Starting point is 00:40:47 But I'm just, I'm honestly just getting so tired of hearing it even because, like, I had this criticism about the reception to The Miss Marvel show and we're seeing it again with She-Hulk. where so many men had gotten to the point where they said, okay, well, I understand
Starting point is 00:41:00 that the show's not for me and I don't like it. And it's like, you literally just made a video about how Peter Parker is so relatable to you. A literal 17-year-old genius with superpowers
Starting point is 00:41:12 who gets hella ass. And that's really relatable to you. And I know you can't relate to that part. But Kamala Khan is literally a teenage nerd who is ostracized, who's actually a character character who's ostracized by her classmates and because she's a young Muslim girl.
Starting point is 00:41:29 Yeah. I would think that that would be a lot more relatable to a lot of people's experience growing up. Yeah, that's such a good point. Like, you could very easily pull experiences from characters that don't look like you or maybe don't walk in the same exact experience as you. You could pull something from it. Like, when I watched the movie Soul, for example. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:48 That movie tore me up, bitch. And I'm not a jazz player. I'm not a teacher. I'm not a music. I'm not musically inclined at all, bitch. like I'm not an older black man. Like I don't know what it feels like to be him at all. But I do know what it feels like to feel stuck, to feel unfulfilled.
Starting point is 00:42:05 Like I pulled from that movie like you wouldn't believe that movie. Like I talked about that to my therapist. That movie, that movie, like in a good way. It was such a beautiful movie. Absolutely. But it spoke to me in a different way because you can still pull an experience from someone that maybe doesn't look like you on film.
Starting point is 00:42:23 That's okay. You can do that. It's okay. And again, like women and minorities always, you know. Like, I'm like, absolutely. It's one of those things that's like, I just, I don't know. I feel like it's so indicative too of like, I feel like so much of this conversation I feel like revolves around implicit bias. And that's the thing that like I feel like it's really important.
Starting point is 00:42:42 Because I feel like a lot of like men feel attacked when we have conversations like this. And it's like, well, I'm not, I don't hate women. It's like I'm not even saying that you do. I'm saying that we live in a patriarchal inherently misogynistic success. society that also has like many different levels and layers of systemic racism and intersectionality is something that you can never dismiss but the point is like you just because you can't relate to those kinds of things just because you don't understand the nuances of it doesn't mean that you can't like be tacitly supporting it yeah our implicit biases always and it's like something like
Starting point is 00:43:16 as a white person I am consciously aware of all the time it's like how am I could I be doing better like is this something that I need to work on yeah and it's the same for That's being a good person, honestly. Being an adult is what it is. Like, grow up is what I want to tell you, like literally grow up, bro. Like not everything, first of all, not everything in the world is made for you. Like get that out of your brain immediately, especially now. But even then, like, if it doesn't feel like it's for you, is that a bad thing?
Starting point is 00:43:43 Yeah. Like, does it inherently make it bad just because it's not targeted towards your demographic specifically? And if so, why do you feel that way? And also, after that, go watch something else. Like you're telling me that you can't find one other film on this planet that's representative of you and whatever way you deem fit. Yeah. Like you think about someone like Dr. Strange and how many men are like, that's me. I'm Dr. Strange.
Starting point is 00:44:07 You're like a genius heart surgeon or a brain surgeon, whatever he is that's smashed his own hands and then had to learn how to lie to your mom. Sorcerative. You're telling me that's you. Like, you know what I mean? Like he's not real. And you found something to relate to him. Yeah. But then you see She-Hulk and you're like, nah.
Starting point is 00:44:27 Well, and it's- Too woke. Oh, God. The woke, yeah. Yeah, the woke mob. I mean, it's so clear, too. I mean, like, again, I speak about implicit bias a lot, but, like, literally just the way that our society has historically demonized femininity in itself. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:44 So, like, the idea that, like, She-Hulk is heavily based on, the romance is a big element of the show, her looking for, you know, a boyfriend and it's, you know, clothes. anything that has been like societally determined to be like a feminine trait is undesirable and I feel like like when I grew up
Starting point is 00:45:03 internalized misogyny was like man it was it was just the bread and butter all my God yeah girl we all been to pick me I talk about that all the time back in the day the good thing is we came out the other side we did some of our brothers are lost in there they are stuck like quicksand I can't save you
Starting point is 00:45:18 and we're working through it but like as a society I feel like we need to actively work to stop actively demonizing things that are feminine as being just like undesirable. And I feel like that's a big issue with people inherently being like, well, it's not for me because they're afraid to be like, oh, people are going to think that I like girly things. And it's like, that would not be the worst thing in the world. She's a green monster. It's okay. Yeah. It's like girly things are fun. Yeah. And she's a lawyer. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's, is that not mass? Yeah. Gendering things in general is stupid. That's why I'm like, it's like that whole argument on TikTok when they're like, oh, masculine energy.
Starting point is 00:45:54 versus feminine energy is not gendered okay your energy is ass is what it is what gender is that what gender is you're a terrible person that's the gender that you like the gender that your energy carries in me opinion but i mean it's so it's it's it's so true and it's really just like the the reason why things are gendered are just because the patriarchal society society has decided that some things have to be in column a and somethings have to be in column b well and then on the same note like obviously the femininity like especially if it's like a very like strict toxic masculinity man he's gonna avoid liking like
Starting point is 00:46:28 a girl superhero God forbid could never but then at the same time you have like we said Captain Marvel and they switch up her costume and they're like what the what the fuck
Starting point is 00:46:36 where does it end with the feminism this is just the worst thing that it's ever happen to anyone it's like pick aside like you gotta pick one or the other row you like you can't have both you know what I mean so it's just I don't know it's hilarious to me
Starting point is 00:46:50 to think about the way that the way that it just it shouldn't matter at all. And their arguments actively contradict each other because they want to talk about they don't want to say well I just want to see her boobs.
Starting point is 00:47:03 We all know that's what the T is, babe. So some of the comments on this video like this one is back to obviously Bree Larson but it says she plays her overconfidence with hatred underneath. Mainly she's fake
Starting point is 00:47:16 and what many are calling confidence is more like arrogance. Listen to me. You got all of that from her sitting next to like Chris Hemsworth. You know what I'm saying? The way that they analyze
Starting point is 00:47:29 and just make things up, they do that to me all the time. They're like, this is, this isn't confidence, this is arrogance. Wrong. Confidence comes from within. Arrogance comes at the expense of others.
Starting point is 00:47:41 So arrogance is when you feel good about yourself because you're actively putting other people down and it makes you feel good. But confidence comes from within. That's on me. So like I draw my confidence from myself. And that's what she does. No, like you're literally just like Captain Marvel.
Starting point is 00:47:57 If you really think about it. Yeah. Turns out. I've had that exact conversation. People say that she's the most arrogant character. I'm completely ignoring characters like Tony, who literally describe themselves as a billionaire, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist, genius, whatever.
Starting point is 00:48:13 Like the epitome of arrogance. And she literally has worked her way up to her position, like, to earn everything that she has, not just, like, in the movie itself. like she is an Air Force pilot that she's worked really hard to get where she's at and then when we're introduced to her later after she's like gotten the powers she's worked her way up with the creed too
Starting point is 00:48:31 like yeah people say that it's it's arrogance but it's being self-assured because she's worked for everything that she has also it's comic book accurate correct? Exactly yes so like what's the problem is what I always think like they're like no
Starting point is 00:48:44 I don't know I guess it just hate women I mean that's yeah it's like so exhausting like I saw um a TikToker, his name's like Tony Stavrich or something. I forget his last name. I'm so sorry if I butchered it. But he like was making a funny joke
Starting point is 00:49:00 about The Little Mermaid, obviously, right? That whole saga. Oh my God, the way people were losing their minds over a fictional fish. But he was like, he's like, I don't know, I just feel like fish wouldn't be wouldn't be, you know, that skin tone like blah blah, blah. He's like talking to himself and he's like, just out of curiosity, do you like black people?
Starting point is 00:49:17 And he's like, not particularly no. But I don't know what that has to do with this conversation. Do you see, that's what it is. is and you're like that's what you're saying. No, absolutely it is. Like, just say it. I feel like it's easier if you just admit that you're a big it. I know, literally. That would be a lot easier. I feel like instead of trying to save us a lot of time. Yeah, instead of trying to craft a scientific argument about why a mythical creature can't possibly have black skin, like just just say it, you know? Yeah, that's okay. Not with me,
Starting point is 00:49:44 but I'm sure you can find a community to support you in your racist endeavors. You know what I mean? This next comment says, I think Marvel. could have gone without a Captain Marvel. It was weird having someone so powerful just show up. I didn't like it. What a, like, astute observation. I didn't like it. I mean, I love how literally in phase one,
Starting point is 00:50:06 they drop a literal god onto the earth. And they're like, he's just, yeah, he's just a god. He can just do whatever. Oh, he doesn't have his powers. Got him back by the end of the movie. And then Captain Marvel comes in and they're like, this is insanity. Too powerful.
Starting point is 00:50:20 What's going on here? Too powerful and woman. I don't like it. Those two things don't go to go. That combination, they would never. Be fine if they were different. There's just something you have them together. The fictional universe would never.
Starting point is 00:50:31 Stan Lee would never. Absolutely not. He would never support that ever in a million years. I think that's, I don't like it. You know what? That's funny. I don't like it. That's funny.
Starting point is 00:50:44 All right. I mean, I would respect. I honestly have way more respect for people who just come out and say it. Because I'm like, okay. Same. I'd be like, well, I just like, honestly, like, I've gotten comments on my videos where they're like, I really hate you, but this was funny. Okay.
Starting point is 00:51:01 Like, in a way, I'm like, fair, I guess. I mean, you know. I mean, unpack it on your own, but like, gee, thanks. Sometimes I write, I appreciate the honesty. You know what I mean? I've noticed this about your content specifically is that people, people really just like, it's like a goal for a lot of them to just like try to insult you. the comments. And especially with like the feigned like politeness in front. Like I'm not a racist butt. You're really. Stop right there. I've heard enough. I don't need to hear the end of that
Starting point is 00:51:35 sentence. I really don't. Yeah. No, yeah. They tell me that all the time. And then like when I tell them like that doesn't really mean anything to me considering your face looks like this shit, they scrape off a bottom of a ship. It doesn't really mean much to me. Like you know what I mean? And then they're like, too far, too far, fat bitch. Okay. You know what I mean? Like, okay. Like, see, I thought you, I thought we were doing like a little back and forth.
Starting point is 00:51:58 Yeah. I always think it's like double dutch. You were swinging. I was swinging. You were jumping. See, I feel like, yeah, you're always just so many steps ahead. I feel like even when, like, I'm not going to, I mean, there's been some, I've seen some criticism of late that was like attempting to be more nuanced.
Starting point is 00:52:15 Yeah. Attempting being the operative word there. And I was really, I don't. know. I was really, I'm so used to seeing people come at you in ways that are just so outright, asinine and immature that I was just like, I mean, there was so much support. And I was like, this is just, but the thing that really got me was when the conversation about like dismissing the racial element because of, because like my, my grandfather is Mesoamerican native. Yeah. I, it's something that like I'm working through on my own because I feel like I'm not like allowed
Starting point is 00:52:46 to be in those spaces. Yeah. Because for me, the biggest issue is I don't ever want to feel like I'm speaking for a community that I clearly don't represent. But I want to, I mean, there's a difference between, like, race and ethnicity. And I want to, like, embrace my heritage without feeling like... You're overstepping. Exactly. And I just feel that. I think that's great.
Starting point is 00:53:07 I mean, it's one, like, I've, you know, talk to a lot of other creators that are like, oh, no, like, you're a Latina. And, like, my husband is, like, from El Salvador. So it's like, it could never, it's very clear that, like, I'm a white person. He's like a different ethnicity, different race than I am. Yeah. But I want to embrace my Latina. Yeah. And that's fair.
Starting point is 00:53:27 You know, I think that's fair. I think it's all about balance, I think. Because as long as you understand that you're not speaking on behalf of people that have a different like life experience from you because phenotypically they look different than you. Yeah. Well, and weaponizing it. Yeah, exactly. I would never, that's the thing that I was like, I would never want to weaponize that against something. on when I clearly have a lived experience as a white person.
Starting point is 00:53:51 Yeah. And it's, it's, again, that's another reason why I always say, like, race is a huge factor. It's a huge factor, especially when we're talking about bigotry as a whole.
Starting point is 00:54:01 Yeah. It's very important that we keep it in the conversation because I unfortunately don't have the privilege of removing it because that's not how I'm treated. Absolutely. So, like, if I could remove it, then I would. But I can't, you can.
Starting point is 00:54:15 And that's good congratulations, right? So I'm like, I don't have that luxury, but that's also the reason why I think it's important that we have the conversation. Like, that's why whenever I have videos, it's very rare where I'm like speaking just like logically and I'm not like making jokes and shit. A lot of times people are like, oh, you're actually like kind of smart. Yeah, I know, bitch. I know I'm smart. I don't need to prove it to you to know I'm smart. But that's why I always say my content speaks to the people that understand what I'm doing, what I'm trying to.
Starting point is 00:54:48 achieve and why I do it the way I do it. Exactly. There's a reason why I do it the way I do it. They give me zero credit because they always think I'm an idiot, the men who feel the need or the desire to criticize me. Yeah. It's always like, it's just such a short-lived, like, a high that they get off trying to like, because it used to just be, you're big fatty, fat, fat, fatty, fatty, fatty, which I prefer,
Starting point is 00:55:10 if I'm being honest, to like the, well, this is why, listen, a bias aside, this is why I think, stop your your biases like I always say it it like you said implicit biases in everything it's in everything and it's and it's not just race like it's it's when it comes to body type right when it comes to fat phobia when it comes to misogyny as a whole like when it comes to homophobia like all of that is implicit biases that you need to unpack and diagnose on your own or in therapy and i highly encourage yeah so we'll move on to this next video uh in this ticot of an interview clip Olivia wild is being interviewed on the Kelly Clarkson show. They're talking about how the current media narrative is pushing a lot of hate
Starting point is 00:55:52 onto Olivia around directing, Don't worry, darling, dating Harry Styles, etc. She says she just puts it all into perspective considering other people are dealing with actual health crises right now and she understands that she doesn't have a lot of control over the narrative. And then some of these comments, let's see. It says her insincerity drips from her mouth and her movie was a disaster. God damn. That's like, that's a heater, bro.
Starting point is 00:56:16 And this next one, let me just get this next one off for the quick. Oh, yeah. She says she makes her life public. Don't act like the victim when you make it obvious that you want attention in your personal life. So to promote your job. I feel very conflicted about the whole thing. Most of because I know, I, I, again, critical thinking. We can understand that two things can be true at once.
Starting point is 00:56:41 That's the key. There could have for sure have been drama that we, first of all, no one knows. except the people that were directly involved. I always think that. But then you also think, too, that, like, misogyny does play a huge role, especially in film, especially for female directors. So, like, I'm sure that there's a tinge of that as well in, like, this kind of, like, witch hunt. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:57:02 Yes. I can understand both sides. You know what I mean? Yeah, I think that there needs to be space to acknowledge that a person, like Olivia Wilde, can be a flawed person and maybe not, maybe not. the best advocate for feminism in the world. Yeah. And also understanding that like the systems that are set up in the world and Hollywood are
Starting point is 00:57:27 actively working against her. And I think that there would be nowhere near the level of attention on this film if she was a man. I think that that's accurate. Yeah. At least on the drama is what I'm referring to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But at the same time, I think it's like it's like the conversation like of intersectionality.
Starting point is 00:57:43 Like I think that there are a lot of nuanced critical. about the film, especially as it pertains to representing specifically white women and not having an intersectional approach. I think that there are a lot of criticisms you could have about behind the scenes and the etiquette of a director and the role of a director and you need to take that seriously. I think the issue comes in when it's just so clear. I mean, like, this has been the biggest film set drama in years. Like, I mean, I feel like it may be a decade. Yeah. And then you look at other working directors. Like before the, before you saw like, only one trailer maybe at the time and then you knew more about behind the scenes and you did about
Starting point is 00:58:21 the actual film exactly and it's because it's it's two women that have been pitted against each other which is a narrative that society loves yeah and then you have actual working directors with actual like sometimes confirmed crimes or like allegations like from like on the record from crew members and cast and this is all rumors that has just turned into this like wild. The stories run wild. Yeah, it has. So yeah, I mean, I think that I think that there's a lot of space to be critical of the way that women can fail as individuals.
Starting point is 00:59:01 Yeah. While also understanding that like it's a, it's a, it's a, the industry sucks. Yeah. And I think I think a lot of times too, like there's a bit of a straw man argument when it comes to like the critique of her and and the drama. bringing up things that have no real relevance to it or are like they kind of pale it in comparison to like the trauma and what could potentially be happening. Like I just always think that's white people's business. I don't get involved. That's what I always be thinking.
Starting point is 00:59:31 I'm like, well, you know what is what it is. I do think I know like what I would do in that situation, but she ain't me. So that's why I'm like, there you go. I mean, and you know, when white people like have some good drama, we really can. it up. Listen, I'll watch all the TikToks. I'm just like, I have no opinions. Like whatsoever, I'm like, listen, you guys do what you got to do. I will see the movie when it comes out on HBO. When it comes straight to DVD I will be tuning in. But I will say I do love Florence Pugh. I mean, stand her forever. Yeah, she's incredible. She's so great. And then I just think too that
Starting point is 01:00:05 one time I saw someone call this kind of like drama, trauma porn or drama porn. And it's like, people are like literally filming at the mouth to watch it or to like dig into like the drama of it all and I get it. Listen at the end of the day I'm a cheese mosa. You know what I mean? I'm in other people's like I'm like being nosy and that's okay. We can all watch from the outside but I think like I think it takes a turn when you really start commenting on people's like character like the way that some people were trying to rip up Florence for a while like yeah commenting on who she was as a person how she acts as an actress, like, you don't know any of that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:44 You don't know because you don't know her, and that's kind of where I think it gets weird. I'm like, you guys are commenting on things you don't even know. You know what I mean? Oh, absolutely. I mean, honestly, same for Olivia. It's weird because a lot of that really criticism seem to be people who are criticizing specifically because she was in a relationship with Harry Styles. And I am too old to have been like a One Direction fan, but I understand that the Harry fans are very
Starting point is 01:01:07 passionate. Protective. Yeah. Maybe passion is a good word. Yeah. And so it's just interesting to see the kinds of ways that like we collectively attack women when we feel justified in. Yeah. Like it's like, oh, well, she's not perfect. So we can we can just, we can go all in. Rip up. Yeah. And so it's, yeah, I feel like there's a slippery slope there. But at the same time again, like, I do think it's important to always be aware that like there are valid criticisms. And we should absolutely be able to talk about them. Yeah. It's like it's one of those things where you, again, you have to be able to. to have critical thinking.
Starting point is 01:01:40 You have to be able to understand nuance and context and be like, listen, this is none of my business. Is it fun to digest and sip the tea? Yes. But am I going to like dig into like absolutely viscerally hitting someone I don't even know? No. I'm too busy. Honestly, I have my own mental illnesses I have to take care of.
Starting point is 01:01:59 You know what I'm saying? Like I can't fit another one in there. Exactly. I don't have the space, babe. I really don't. There's too much. Yeah. I mean, there's like honestly, with this.
Starting point is 01:02:08 This film in particular, I just found it so interesting because there's just so many layers. Like, there are so many layers of behind the scenes and within the film. Like, I feel like this film also is like a total example of romanticizing, like, female pain. And I think that that was like, honestly, Olivia's biggest mistake was marketing the film as this big, like, feminist masterpiece. Because it's like, it's like, I don't think it's a bad film. I actually really enjoyed it. But, like, it's definitely. Not that.
Starting point is 01:02:35 Yeah. It feels like it's playing on. the trauma of being a woman. Yeah. Which is like, I mean, that's valid. There are stories about that, but like, yeah. It's not like the torch holder. She made it seem it seem it was going to be.
Starting point is 01:02:49 And that's, again, a valid criticism. And that's pertaining to the film itself. So I haven't seen the film, but Jay Stoops has. Yes, I have. She can confidently say that. I did. I did enjoy it. I think that's the other thing as, too, is like, would we even be having these conversations
Starting point is 01:03:05 about, like, does it represent all women? Is it just a white feminist perspective if it was a story about men? Because like while those criticisms are super important and valid, I just think it's interesting that we never seem to have them when it's stories about men. You can have, you know, top gun and whatever, any kind of male-centric movie come out. And it's not like the question isn't,
Starting point is 01:03:28 well, how well or accurately does this film represent, you know, different people from different groups that, you know, different races or like queer men? And it's never the topic of conversation. Yeah. It's always, you know, different standards. Exactly. And I think, too, I think it is fair at the same time to, like, say, like, it is white feminism.
Starting point is 01:03:52 Oh, it is for sure. Yeah. And that's totally fair to say that. And then Jay Soupes is right, too, in the sense that men are never really held to the same kind of standard, which is also fair. That's why I said. Yeah. Context. The ability to critically think.
Starting point is 01:04:04 Yes. Please adopt it. That's like. People just need to understand. But like, like you said earlier, multiple things can be true at once. Yeah. And it's okay for us to acknowledge faults and flaws in individuals or an individual pieces of media while also understanding that like the overarching system is definitely rigged.
Starting point is 01:04:24 Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And that's why being able to operate within the system and then also acknowledge if you have privilege still within the system is also very important. It's like it's when you act as if you're just as oppressed as like women of color or black women, for example. Yes. That's when it crosses a line because then you're like, yeah, see, we're all on the same, you know, scale of oppression. No, we aren't.
Starting point is 01:04:53 But that's okay. Like you can acknowledge that like although we are all oppressed as women, you still have a leg up over other women, which is important to acknowledge. And that's why it's important to platform other women that don't look like. like you or not white women, like, it's important to like give them a seat at the table too because technically speaking, they can't really get in the door without you sometimes. No, absolutely. The unfortunate part for us. But like I think overall, I would say there's still a lot of work to be done.
Starting point is 01:05:23 Yes. As there are in many industries. Yeah. When it comes to women or femme presenting people in general or just people who don't identify as women at all, it's so important to like really shake the table, man. Like I'm tired of seeing the same things. over and over again. I think that's why with Johnny Sibley, we talked about how, like, he was saying, we had talked about a video where they were criticizing a league of their own, the new series.
Starting point is 01:05:48 Oh, yeah. And they were being obviously very homophobic about it, like the video that we were breaking down. But when we were talking about it, we were basically saying that, like, sometimes, like, things aren't for you. Like, and that's okay. But you already have a version of it, so go watch that one. Exactly. Like, if you feel so inclined to be, like, like you feel targeted because you didn't get to enjoy it as much as you would have liked. It's okay. Watch something else. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:14 Or understand that like when things like that come out and they do well, it opens the door for other people to be able to make more content like that, to be more representative of people. There's nothing wrong with giving everyone a chance to see themselves on TV. Everyone deserves to see themselves represented. And, you know, on the topic of women in film in general, it's like I like to advocate. for women's representation in general. But the truth of it is is that white women and specifically like white cis straight presenting women have been the focus, the central focus on like women's representation
Starting point is 01:06:50 for so long. Absolutely. And so one of those things where like you have to understand that like centering white women is just, it's been the norm. It's something that we have to actively work to fix. It's not, you know. Yeah. And that's okay to acknowledge that.
Starting point is 01:07:07 doesn't mean, I always say too, like when you acknowledge your privilege, that's not, that does not mean that you've never struggled in your life. Yeah. That is, it's not the absence of struggle. It's just the acknowledgement that you don't have invisible barriers that make it even harder for you than it already is. Like if you're a cis straight white woman, then you, yeah, you have struggles, but they're not the same as others. And that's okay. It's okay. To admit it. That's right. Yeah. We can all, you know, I feel like everybody could, everybody could do with admitting, you know, that we've all, we, I don't know why, like, white privilege is such a hard thing for so many people to accept. Yeah, it's okay. But, like, it's just, it doesn't mean you didn't ever struggle with anything. It just, it just means you, you didn't have
Starting point is 01:07:52 all of the setbacks that some people have. Exactly. And that's okay. It's okay. Yeah. Okay. So, to wrap this up, what do you want people to know when it comes to wanting to create content as, like, a woman in the field of like film or just existing in the film space in general. What is it? What's like your best piece of advice you want to give? Maybe other women or other people who want to do what you do? I think that the big thing that I try to impart to people to women and femme presenting people in general is just that it's okay to openly and unabashedly love things that maybe like
Starting point is 01:08:34 typical rigid standards of like film appreciation and film criticism would tell you are not good like people love to use the word objectively now even though it's like completely antithetical to the idea of art but like if somebody tells you that something that you love is objectively bad like that's just don't be afraid to say you're wrong yeah like i i hate that the i bb top 100 and like we've talked about earlier like this idea that there's a specific type of film or genre or like a film films that appeal to a specific type of audience are just inherently better. And I love, one of the things I love about TikTok and seeing the different kinds of women that have come on and talked about their favorite media is that I feel
Starting point is 01:09:22 like it's really normalized it for women and helped a lot of women feel more confident in saying, you know, like rom-coms, for example. Like, I love rom-coms. What's wrong with liking a rom-com? And yeah, I guess my biggest, the thing that I really want to do. to achieve with my content is just making women and girls feel more secure going into the film industry or just openly speaking about how much they love films that maybe don't like typically seem like you're like the classics yeah because who is anybody to tell you that they're not as good as the godfather and yeah literally listen i've seen legally bond exactly i've seen the wedding planner masterpieces both of them that's what i'm saying listen the other woman quality film
Starting point is 01:10:03 You know what? And that's I just... Oscar snubbed. Exactly. For I think all three leads. Yeah. All three of them. I love that movie.
Starting point is 01:10:12 You know what's a movie I love? The Heat. Oh, the heat is so good. Dude, the way that I laugh my ass off. I just watched Tammy recently. Have you seen Spy? Yes. Spy completely blew me away.
Starting point is 01:10:25 So funny. So hilarious. Unbelievably funny. I love shit. Like, those are like my favorite kinds of movies to watch because it's just so fun and like, mindless. You can watch it and go on a little trip and then come back. But I, dude, the way I was laughing my ass off at Tammy, like, I've never seen the movie.
Starting point is 01:10:42 I was, I was belly laughing, bro. Like, Melissa McCarthy, I love that girl. But, like, that's, like, a perfect example. Like, you love a silly movie like that, girl? Yeah. Do what you thought. Love what you want to love. Listen, men have had die hard and, like, they've had their, like, ridiculous.
Starting point is 01:11:00 And they've been, like, critical darlings a lot of the time, too. And it's like, it's just... The Fast and the Furious 38 movies that they've made. Like, come on. I saw Hobbs and Shaw. So funny. So funny.
Starting point is 01:11:11 I mean, I'm gonna get blasted, but I actually have never seen a full fast and furious movie. If you're gonna watch one, watch Hobbs and Shaw. Okay. You don't need to see the other 25. You could just watch Hobbs and Shaw. That'll just compress all the best parts of the best. Hobbs and Shaw was so funny.
Starting point is 01:11:25 I don't really care for the Samoan part of it, but that's in me opinion. As a Samoan person, I can say that. But the rest of it, hilarious. Yeah. So funny. That's why I tell women all the time or women,
Starting point is 01:11:36 if I'm presenting people, anyone else in between, if you love something, like it really doesn't matter what you love. Yeah. A terrible man is going to hate you for it anyways. Exactly. Love what you want, bitch.
Starting point is 01:11:45 Our society has just demonized so much of anything that appeals to girls and women for so long that I just feel like it's, it's important to actively do the work of saying, you know, this is something that appeals to women that doesn't inherently make it bad. Yeah. And you're not, no matter what some,
Starting point is 01:12:01 like, the internet tells you, you're not dumb or wrong for liking it, you know? Period. Love that. I will say one more thing. Women and femme presenting people in general drive consumerism. Absolutely. They deem what's popular, babe.
Starting point is 01:12:17 You get the girlies on your side? You're going viral. Just ask me and J-Soups. That's my point. I've had so many conversations with men who literally try to argue with me that, well, men make up the most of consumers. they buy the most movie theater tickets. Incorrect.
Starting point is 01:12:33 Statistically speaking, I can confidently say you're wrong. Exactly. No, literally. That's why brands love when you have predominantly female-driven demographics. Because women buy shit. Who run the world? Love that. I think the queen said it best.
Starting point is 01:12:47 Perfect. Thank you so much to the wonderful Megan Cruzant, aka Jay Stubes for joining me today. I absolutely adore you. You're so fun. Can I tell you how excited I was to come on here? I was like, I get to go hang out with Drew. Love. Where can everybody find you?
Starting point is 01:13:01 you? I am on most of the places. I am some variation of J-Stubes on most social media, TikTok J-Stubes. I'm on Instagram. I also like to tweet a lot. I've gotten myself in trouble on Twitter a little bit. You and me both. Yeah. You and me both. I tweeted about peanut butter and jelly and I lit that place up. Was it about Elvis? No, but it should have been. Oh my God, I'm going to start again. Actually, I did have one viral tweet about Elvis. That's so funny. Your legacy is a tag. Branding. It stays consistent. Thank you so much to J-Soups for joining me today. Thank you so much for tuning into this episode. If you want to watch more full episodes of the comment section
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