The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - MONSOON MANOR Ft. Jinkx Monsoon

Episode Date: March 18, 2026

The legendary Jinkx Monsoon is on the show this week, and it’s been a long time coming!! Drew and Jinkx talk her starring role in Oh, Mary! on Broadway, being a kitchen witch, loving feet, vabbing, bad weed trips, Jinkx’s signature ratatouille dish, casting spells, and so much more.Jinkx IG: https://www.instagram.com/thejinkx/Follow The Comment Section on IG! https://www.instagram.com/thecommentsection/Visit heytoogoodandco.com to shop now! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Yeah. I have to act extra normal, but then I'm like picking up cookies, like, hmm. You're like, this is what humans do. 12 chocolate chips. You're counting tile. Oh, to meal, you're saying. I'll try a scoop, bar, keep. Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode

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That was the only thing that could keep her from her. That's awesome. I love a family business. Oh, my God, yeah. And my business is for real, a family business. I try to keep everything in house. Yeah, you know, me and my chosen family pretty much do it all. It's like everyone I live with also helps me in my work.

So we're all just like monsoon manner. It's like a commune. You know, Jinks Monsoon is an amalgamation of a lot of people's hard work. I said that all the time. I'm like, I am standing on the shoulders of my family. They prop everything up for me. And honestly, if I ever need something or someone, I'm like, I probably know someone in my family that can do that.

Yeah, I'd rather do it that way. You know, you can do it solo. We can all find our ways of doing it. But when you get to do it the way you always wanted to, you know. I grew up in a big full house. I'm just used to a lot of people being involved in my business. Honestly, same. I also, like, when I travel, I take, like, people with me all the time, like, the same people.

I always bring, like, my fiance, I always bring my sister, my hair and makeup artist, who's also my cousin. And then also carry my assistant. I, like, take all my little people with me everywhere I go. My friend's assistant, Sky, we've known each other for 20 years. We were like kids. How does that work when you're 25? Oh, well. I was a baby genius.

Yes. No, Sky and I met like around the same time I started drag. Oh my God. So what's really special about traveling and doing things these days with the people who have been with me so long. Yeah. Is Sky saw the very first iterations of what became. my whole career, you know.

And we're talking like 17-year-olds and in all ages queer dance club putting on drag shows themed around Romeo and Juliet. You know, like just we loved you through it. Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. And we had a good time. We did Rocky Horror way back when and, you know.

Exciting. Yeah. That's crazy. How full circle. Yeah. I'm not doing Rocky Horror, but I have a lot of friends in it. I just mean you circle.

And like now you're on Broadway again, the same people in tow. I think that's amazing. It's, yeah, it's been a fun time in life in spite of things. Oh my God, right, girl. That's all we can do. My sister and I were joking about this literally yesterday that, like, everything is so terrible. I think because we were talking about the time change. And she was like, do you like the time change?

And I was like, I don't know. We're at war. I don't know. I don't know. We're at war. I don't know anything. Daylight savings time. I know.

We woke up that day and I was like, the oven clock's wrong. Is it the day? Did we spring forward? And sky just goes, oh. So that was your confirmation? Yeah, that was the confirmation. That we did in fact.

But I was telling her. I remember it used to be an event. An announcement. I know. Someone was shouted from the town square. And now I was like, now we have to find joy in very small things. We have to.

I've joked about this many times. I joked about this with Chapel when I had her on, but I was like, everyone that works for me and with me is gay. Yeah. Whether half gay or full gay, all of them gay. The entertainment industry has always been largely generated by and supported by the queer community. Right. And, you know, it's just now the ratio to, like, queer performers being.

Right. on stage and in front of the light. And scene. It's much larger. But like, and being vocal about your queer glam squad. It's like, why keep it a secret? But then there's a lot of men who just happen to be straight who also work with us. And they're nice to.

Yeah. And they're all right. They're all right. They're a guest in the house, but they're all right. If they can chill, they can stay. Yeah, as long as they take their shoes off and act accordingly. They'll be all right. I know I feel like recently I had to let someone go,

but it was one of the few straight people on my team, straight men. And you were afraid you're going to look like... Prejudice. You're heterophobic. Yeah. I look like I'm reversing DEI that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm doing it the opposite way.

But I literally was like I need only girls and gays. Girls and gays. I'm sorry, they're going to get the job done. I don't know what to tell you. Thames and days. Yeah, femes. There you go. I need it.

Well, it's just, you know, There's different types of energies. There's type A, type B people. There's people like me, and there's assholes, you know? There's like, you're not type A or B? What would you? You're somewhere in the middle. I thought I was type A, but it turns out no.

Girl, but my chosen family told me otherwise. I guess I don't really know the difference, which probably makes me type B. Yes, it would, yeah. I'm more of a type A. but I will say there's an asterisk next to it because I have extremely type A friends so when they're with me I get to I get to be dumb

I get to be so useless I get to be type B I worry more about the my sign being a Virgo we have the same birthday yes we're both Virgoes we do have the same birthday that's right oh my God I I'm like a quintessential Virgo

me too and so I love being in charge but if I can't be fully in charge then I just played dead. I'm like, you just pull a possum. I'm like, as soon as someone's like, yeah, we can do it your way, but just kind of more like this,

I'm like, oh, well, then it's not my way, is it? And then I guess you got it. I guess you got it. Go ahead, take it. I feel the same way. I feel the same exact way. But I also, like, I've had so many friends of different signs

with qualities I admire that I've learned to kind of like select I'm going to hire a glam team or a PR person or or whomever. Yeah. I really like to trust that they know how to do their job. Right. And not try to micromanage things and then only speak if absolutely necessary.

You're so me. Same thing. Same with me. I'm very like sometimes I'm like, I'm going to let you do your thing. Well, I want the same trust. Right. Right. Like, so if I give you the same trust.

trust then you'll trust me when I really like speak up and say wait no that can't happen yeah sometimes you got to get in there of course correct you got to get in there just a little bit just let me get in there just a little bit I know because in the beginning for a while when I started doing this I I was still like buying my own flights I was still booking my own hotels like I was still doing all of that stuff myself because I was like I need to be able to control and know where we're going when we're going that kind of thing when I got a travel agent I was like whoa it when you're at the play

where you can start hiring a team and delegating things, what it means is you get to focus way more on the creative aspects of your job and being your best self. Totally. And when you get to bring people along with you, it feels like, one, there's the benefit of bringing like home with you on the road. Yes, exactly. And then two, it's like, I know that this person has always wanted to do this. and so they get to come with me, and we're all having fun doing this. You're so me. But it's those kind,

if you're like going to include the family and the friends, it means including the relationship work. I know. I always tell people like, if you want to hire family and friends, be ready to do the emotional work with them. Right. You're so right.

Yeah. But if you need to be like emotionally distant from your team, just hire strangers. But like to work. with the chosen family. Yeah, there's pros and cons to it. Whomever. If they're close personal people, it's like you're making a choice to take

that on to your existing relationship. Right. And it's always, it can be the best or just the worst. But you never know until you try. Yeah, exactly. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to try a live. No, I feel the same way. And I feel like sometimes when I feel like

I have to say something, I'm always very like, God, I hate when you make me act like a boss. Don't make me do that. I don't want to have to do that. I want to be real chill. I want to be super chill. Yeah. It's, you know, it's all a fun little dance, girl bossing, isn't it?

It's true. And it is hard sometimes. It is hard. And then it's also like, I don't know, do you ever just like, okay, a lot of people keep bringing up to me, like, what would your child self say? Oh, yeah. like especially with the aspects of like claiming my gender identity and growing full throttle in so many directions in my life yeah um you know the kid version of me had really come to accept

that not all of this was going to be possible either because I was queer or because of the body I was born in or the perception of who I was yeah um and along the way I just kind of with that in mind carefully edged that out and push those boundaries and now I'm here. So it's like I guess because I can see all the steps along the way, it's really easy to not take it for granted. It's really easy to be like, I'm very grateful for this because I worked really, really hard for it. Hell yeah.

But then there are the days where it's like, did I really think this three? I get it. Especially with the internet girl. I get it. I fucking get it. It's so like, could I go get a real job? Like, I think that's sometimes. What do I do now?

Yeah, I'm like, well, I kind of burn those bridges. What am I gonna do it? This is kind of it for the long run. Yeah, I was like, if I don't do this, I don't know what's going to happen. I can't remember how to do math. No, me either. I really am like, I'm fucking useless. I'm so useless outside of this job.

of this job. And then there's like, and it would be annoying to hire me. I agree. I'm such a personality hire. Oh my God, that too. Yeah, like people coming in. I can't promise my past won't honk.

Like worse than his ex-worker. My past is going to haunt us far worse than that. I promise. My boyfriend won't call, but people will be calling. People who don't know me at all are going to be checking up on me. You're going to want to keep me in back. Oh, my God. Yeah, I'm going to have to be in the back.

I'm going to be able to washing dishes for sure. That's so if you had to, okay, if you had to pick another job, like, let's say you stopped doing this. What job do you think you would want to do? Well, if you had to. For me, the obvious choice is teacher. Oh, I love that. But what I think I'd actually really be happy doing is a head chef of a restaurant. Ooh.

Do you like to cook? Without the training. Oh, okay. I mean, I need to go get the training. It's not like I have a culinary degree, but I do love cooking. Oh, love. And it's, for me, as a witch, I feel like I'm very much a kitchen witch. And I express myself through acts of service.

Love. My magic is expressed through my toil and my crafts, you know. I didn't know you love to cook. That's amazing. I do. Do you have like a special dish that is like your favorite to make? Everyone, I won't shut up about my ratatieri. So it's also become my signature dish.

But it's like, it just looks the coolest to present. But I also do really good chicken and dumplings. I got really good at fried chicken over lockdown. Oh, damn. That sounds good as hell. Yeah. I like to think I'm a good cook, but I can't cook small dainty meals. I cook for a family.

Yeah. Love. I always invite the neighbor. Oh, that's so nice. It's like I call people up. I'm like, I cooked enough for too many people, so please come eat tonight. I love that. I don't have any cooking skill whatsoever.

What do you do if you have to make yourself something? My man makes it. and I sit there and I talk. I'm entertainment. I literally made a vegan mac and cheese for Thanksgiving one year. And I was like, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it for real. And then as soon as I started putting a bunch of cashies in a blender,

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I was like, God. Oh, why did I agree? I don't want to do this. And then he ended up finishing the rest of it. Because I got bored, I was like, I can't. May I ask because we have the same birthday? Yes. When it comes to cleaning, are you an all or nothing person?

In terms of like deep cleaning. Yeah, like I either have to deep clean and everyone needs to get out of my way or I'm going to be able to stand the mess. Yeah. Yes. Because to like kind of half clean something drives me nuts. Yeah. Because once I start, I can't stop.

Yeah. So sometimes it's just kind of I organize the mess until I can. Organize clutter. Yeah. Until the deep clean. Yes, absolutely. That's exactly how I clean too. My man described the other day, he was like, you're the most type A person I've ever met,

but you're also like extremely type B about very specific things. Are you that way too? I, it's just very certain tasks. I just can't be bothered. I'm very particular just about everything. Yes. And I'm even particular about the things I don't want. want to care about.

Like, I'm very particular about what questions just not to bug me with. I know what I don't like. Everyone in my life knows she's not going to give a shit. So just do, like, don't even ask her or she's going to give you a speech about why she doesn't care. You're so me. Like literally my agent, she's like my day one girl. Like she's been with me forever as my team has grown. she's still my day one.

There are some questions she doesn't even bother me with because she's like she's going to hate that. The answer's no. Like she's going to hate that and don't ask her in person. And that's how. And that's how you form a real good team. Yes. The people who make the decisions you would have made yourself.

Right. Exactly. And the people who actually like what they're doing. Like, you know, like working on Broadway or working in theater. Not a lot of people. make it to Broadway with an ambivalent attitude towards theater. These are like theater kids who grew up and became theater adults, right? Yes, exactly.

And that's true for the people in the crew. That's true for the designers. Like to choose theater is to choose a whole lifestyle, especially when you're doing eight shows a week. And that's true for the crew who has to be there to operate everything and to call the cues and everyone. So it's like you become part of this really weird club. Yeah.

And I love it. It's like the, I've never felt more myself than when I can turn to it someone and be like, what a cool Brechtian device. And they're like, truly, truly. Oh my God, right? They're having the same exact thought of you. But your face about when I said Brechtian device, that's what I'm. used to when I was going to talk about O'Mary.

I really want to talk about O'Mary. O'Mary is very much like that. Yes. People who are very passionate about what they do created that show and are keeping it going. Yes, absolutely. Was Broadway always like a dream of yours? As soon as I found out there was a Broadway.

As soon as I saw a touring show, it was like I always knew I wanted to be an actor. Yes. And I knew I wanted to be in film and TV, but I always felt like there was something special about doing it in front of people. Yeah, totally alive. And I always really resonated with it. I also love the chance of things being unique every single night.

Yeah. Like when you work in film and TV, it's about getting the very perfect delivery of every single line and weaving this tapestry, knowing that it will live forever. Yeah. But live entertainment is like part of the experience is knowing that everything that happens tonight, even if it's well rehearsed, is completely unique because there's no way to do it exactly the same. That's such a beautiful way of looking at it. And the spontaneity, the aliveness of it is part of the craft. Yeah, absolutely.

And O'Mary is so meticulously written and directed. and styled and everything about it is the best of the best people putting their passion into it. Coleskola and Sam Pinkleton, they were a dream team. They're good friends. I cannot celebrate them enough. Doing that show just felt like the coalescence of everything I've ever wanted to be and I was doing it because friends of mine made it possible. It just felt very cosmic, you know?

Totally. And beautiful. It was very beautiful. And now I feel really ready for whatever is next. That's so fucking incredible. I love Broadway. I don't have a singing bone anywhere in my body. You don't have to.

There's plays on Broadway, too. I know. I was thinking about that too, but I want to do Broadway specifically for singing. Well, there's character parts that don't need to sing. There's always parts like that. I'm an ensemble bit. I already know. Ensemble performers are the hardest working.

And every lead says that. I don't want to hear it. Cynthia Revo told me that too. It's true, though. It is true. But it's like, it's not just a sound bite because, listen, like, I, okay, especially in Chicago, I would sit there as Mama Morton.

It's part of my, like, blocking to sit and watch a handful of the numbers and I'm watching I'm watching people swap roles midday like in the morning one woman's doing this role and another person's doing this role and then in the evening it's everyone else

but they all they can just tag each other in everyone knows each other's parts and and then they know my part too like three of them know my part too and so it's like it's not just blowing smoke it's like to get that's why

it's hard harder to replace an ensemble performer than it is a lead. Interesting. You can replace, like if a lead drops out, just find someone else like them. An ensemble person that's like find someone who can sing, dance, do stage combat sometimes,

and can learn seven parts by opening. Well, now I am thinking things. Maybe I can be on Broadway, just in the background. Camios, baby. I know. Metamorable barely sings. That's true. You're right.

I love that part, but she's like, many years. Right. I mean, I can do a toxin thing. Lane Manuel Miranda does it. What if I just played Hamilton? Like, that would be great. Yeah, just play Hamilton. There you go.

I'll gender bend Hamilton. Why don't you just do a one-person Hamilton? That'll get their attention. Yeah, and I'm just ripping off the mustache to switch roles. I love, I talk to all my friends who love Broadway about it. Like, I just, I love Broadway, love everything about it. I just don't have the chops, unfortunately. Well, know thyself, you know?

Like, I know that I am not good at everything. And so I just do my best not to do those things. It's a great rule of thumb. You know. And as a Virgo though, I like to think sometimes I think I'm like, I think singing is one of the few things I don't feel this way about where when I see it, I'm like, give me a couple hours. I'd probably master it.

Well, singing, okay, so there are things that are helpful to be born with, rhythm, right. Intonation, pitch. But lessons are there for a reason. And I went into my, I'm schooling with a lot of like, I knew what I was doing with my voice for a long time. Yeah.

And now I'm almost 40, and I have to sing eight times a week. Yeah. And big songs. And I'm not using my, like, when I was young, I could just sing however I want and shout and tomorrow all sound just fine. You know, like now I'm using technique more than ever. So it's like you can become better at something,

but Virgo's don't like to start at something that we don't believe we're gonna be good at quickly. Exactly, yeah. I was like, if I'm not the best, what's the point? If I can't pick it up pretty damn fast, it's like it's why I still don't knit. Honestly, I think it was good that the universe didn't give me the gift of singing.

I think my ego would be too big, honestly. I don't know. No superhero can have every power. Right, God doesn't give it both hands. That's what I think. I'm like, he hit me with the funny bone and said, okay, send that bitch down, she's done. No seeing for you.

But you all, look at your hair. Right. Like you don't, it's not like it just got the one thing. Right. Would you believe? I do have extensions. Would you believe? I would believe, but it, I mean, it doesn't matter.

I mean, look at you, you're glowing. There's more going on than just a funny bone. I know, thank God. Thank God. I was like, he made me smart, the universe made me smart and also funny, but I just, didn't get the gift of singing.

But I've said before, because a lot of people, when I talk to them and they're good singers, performers for a living, they're like, you could always take lessons. Like they're like, you could definitely flex the muscle maybe get better. And I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then sometimes I'll say, like, don't let me find out I can sing.

If I find out, I'm dropping an EP tomorrow. And then I'm gonna go audition for Broadway. Like if I could- Don't let me find out. If I could really dance. Yeah. Like I can get by dancing. I had a lot of training and dance, mainly because I was in love with a ballet dancer for too long.

Oh my God, no way. And, you know, the getting was good in ballet school. Like, let's be honest. In ballets. It was easy. You're living center stage, the movie. That's your whole life? But ballet dancers are hot, you know.

It was hard to leave that world. And strong, too. But I really I never really resonated well as a dancer I always prefer to play the acting roles I just wish I could dance better than I can because then I really feel like move over Selena Gomez.

Yeah, you're Selena Gomez, I'm Benny Blanco. So how does that work? Well, I don't know. What the hell was that? I never looked into it, but what was it? But what was that? The thing is, is like, I feel like everyone in my world was like, so what?

My do. People don't give a fuck. The only thing I thought was weird about it was why they did it in public. You know, like, I kiss toes all the time, but I'm not doing in the middle of a talk show, you know what I mean? You see them pushing that straight agenda on us.

Nice. Whatever we do behind closed doors, I don't care. Just don't do it all in my face. But, I mean, like, as a woman who is not afraid of feet, I've been teased relentlessly on the internet for even mentioning anything. Regarding feet. Well, it's like, you know, it's the least taboo taboo now these days. Right, that's true.

And at the same time, still a lot of people are like, not down. And that's fine. It's like they hate feet kind of deal? And you like feet? I'm I like for you but listen I was a gay man for 35 years so it's like something stuck around

something stuck around what can I say oh it's a crime to like me take me away no I'm happy Selena Gomez is normalizing it and she's doing it she's doing it for us

for your community so that I don't have to be the one to ride that banner into war. You standing behind Selena Gomez, and she leads the charge on the foot-loving community. Towering over her. No, it's, I've just never been put off by them. And I think maybe, I don't know, like, do you have kinks that are, like, clearly counter your sign?

Like, I'm like, I'm like, I feel like, I feel like being in defeat isn't a Virgo thing. Yeah, that's true. I get what you mean. Yeah, I don't know if I have a kink that goes, I'm trying to think. I don't really have. Like when a dude has a messy bedroom,

it kind of turns me on. Because I'm like, chaos. You don't have anything like that? Chaos. Because I'm so about order that when I see chaos, I'm a little like bad boy, you know. No, that's a good point. I would say, like, I didn't care about, like, I don't know.

I think I was in fear when I was dating men, especially in college. I was like, all of them were going to smell bad. Like, I was, like, so condensed. Again, I'm not. And I just didn't care. The right person to talk to. I'm saying, but what I'm saying is I was afraid of that. But then when it came down to it, I really didn't care as much as I thought I would.

Well, here's the thing is it all comes down to chemistry. I agree. That ceremony. people are going to smell good to you and some people aren't i was explaining that's one of my friends the other day and i was like it's a very real thing like the smell the pheromone i elicit i think you know yeah i mean why we why do we wear perfume and cologne if it's not an important set right exactly have you heard of babbing fabbing with a bee is that what it's called babbing right yeah no please Oh, yeah. Like, it's like basically when anyone who has a vagina, right, uses the like discharge and puts it on their like neck like a pheromone and then either spray something on it or just leaves it like that.

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So there you go. You're welcome. This makes sense to me. That's what I said. I said the same thing. In the queer community, it's literally like lots of dudes specifically don't wear deodorant so that they will attract the guys who like their funk, you know? Yeah, yeah. So, you know, it feels Celtic to me.

It feels pagan. It feels like witchcraft, really. I can't be against it. That's what I said. I said the same thing. I was like, well, Loki, it's like. Logically, I don't, I can't be against this. And I know you said earlier, and I knew this already about you that you're a witch.

I'm a witch. I call myself a witch in training. Yeah. I mean, kind of like the first step to being a witch is making the choice to start practicing witchcraft. That's what my mentor said. I said, like, how do I become a witch? And she goes, find your connection to the divine feminine. Find what interests you about witchcraft and start, start playing around.

You know? And different people will have different opinions, but that's any craft or lifestyle or dogma. Yeah, you know. And I don't like to think of it as my religion. It's very much my worldview and like my perspective. Yeah, it's spiritual practice in some way. Spirituality is what I identify with more. I agree.

My friend Tepi, Pesoa, she's a witch. So she's been teaching me and my sister how to be witches. I bought books. I bought candles. We've got crystals, got all the works. And then we do moon water and stuff on full moons, all that stuff. Still learning. And as soon as you start giving it intention, you'll start noticing it.

Like, it's very much as much as you put in, you'll get back from it. My mentor was Pam, is Pam Grossman. We're good pals. She's a wonderful author. Waking the Witch is a great place to start. Oh, my gosh, good to know. She did a blessing at my Carnegie Hall show. Oh, wow.

So we did like a mass spell at Carnegie Hall. It was very, very cool. That felt like one of the more punk rock things I've done in my life. I was like, Carnegie Hall subscribers now, give me your energy as I cast this spell. It's also very gay. Very gay. And a little bit ghostbusters. Yes.

Oh, I love that. Oh, I'm obsessed with that. That's such a good idea. I love that. Yeah, I've been, so she said, you know, it's just about intention and, and, and, but she said specifically, um, it's about, in her definition, your connection to the divine feminine. Yeah.

And that does not mean only women can practice witchcraft, but it's acknowledging that witchcraft is an acknowledgement as, uh, of femininity. as the divine source of creation. Motherhood is where it all begins. And with Pam, our spell that we cast was very much about liberating the divine feminine, cleansing the divine masculine that's become, he's become a little jaded,

you know, a little toxic. And setting free the divine androgen. So I really think we're in this shift of consciousness towards gender and all this upset and all this fighting was just preparing us to realize that it wasn't worth it in the first place. No, shit, for real. No, for real. And also, I love that too because even one time there was someone that I do not like because they're a bad person and a big it. but they were talking shit on me or like basically implying they were talking shit on me but for no reason like me and this person are not friends we're not connected anyway they were just

being annoying for like clout attention whatever you want to call it and I text my friend Debbie about it and I was like we were talking about it and she was like you know what you have to do you have to do a spell and so she taught me at it she told me to write like intention like their name on a piece of paper write like what I don't want them to do and she was like I never use the spell to like cause harm to anyone which you can include in the prayer or whatever when you put it in the jar. She had me write it all on a piece of paper, folded it up a million times, put it in a jar.

Then I put a bunch of like sour things in there, like just like bitter, tart things in there, and then put it in my freezer. And then next day, nothing else. Like literally almost immediately nothing else. And he was like teasing. This person was like teasing talking about me. Do you know what I like to think?

Hmm. I like to think that either way, you know, our brains are such. powerful things. Yes. And we can give things so much power. And when I do a spell, similar to what you just said, it's like telling my brain, you've worried as much as you possibly can about this.

And your brain can't fix this problem. But maybe this spell can. So you're going to do this spell. And then from that point on, you're going to stop thinking about it because it's the spell's job. Yeah. Because there are problems that you can't think away. Yeah.

And sometimes there are problems that you can't engage with because, like, there's no reason to, you know. So witchcraft, to me, picks up where my psychiatry and therapy leaves off. It's like they help me identify what I have to focus on. Yeah. Then witchcraft gives me a way to kind of physically do the mental, Yeah, the mental work that I know I'm actually aiming it. No, exactly.

I feel the same way because I think to myself too, I'm like, even if this isn't actually doing anything, let's just say, it makes me feel better to do it this way and like you said, let it go. And then the more you practice it, the less you question it, the more you just kind of, you don't have that conversation with yourself of like worrying if it's logical or practical. Right. Because soon you just go, well, every spell.

has helped for one reason or another, whether it be psychosomatic or spiritual. So now I don't have to question it anymore. I'm just going to keep doing it because it works. Exactly. And it's not harming me or anyone around me. And in fact, ever since I've started practicing witchcraft, it's made me so much more conscious of my impact on my environment, my impact on other people. It makes me think about like really being the person I want the world to see me as so that they treat me the way I want to be treated.

Yes, exactly. Oh my God, that's so true. And I say like I say my prayers a lot too, but when I do I pray, I don't pray to God necessarily. I pray to like my ancestors, the universe, right? The spirit, right? And I always ask for guidance, especially in my career, like ever since I started doing this. I've done that forever, like as long as I can remember, but ever since I started doing this especially,

I've been very intentional in my prayers and how I, how and when I say them, like, and what I'm asking for. I just want to be very clear about, like, direction. And every single time I've asked for guidance on a very specific, like, business decision or, like, deal I want to do or maybe I'm on the fence about,

I always get an answer and a very clear, stark answer. And then that always ends up being the right answer, which is, like you said, just in practice and doing it. it's like, well, now I don't need to question it, now I know. Yeah. And I trust, and even if it's just me trusting my own instinct, still works. Double whammy.

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projects that I had already committed myself to. And I've just never operated that way. And I was like, I can't, just because the opportunities are bigger now, I can't change my ethics. Yeah, and how you move in the business. And then both times, I made the difficult choice that I knew was right for me. And then just like shortly after a different offer came that didn't require me to give those other things.

Yes. And it ended up being a lovely offer, you know? And it's like you just have to sometimes trust that you know what you're doing. Yes, and trust, I always say like it's my third eye. Yeah. And I'm always like saying too, it's like the spirit. The spirit itself is speaking to me. Well, we are only conduits for energies that exist with or without us.

You know, those divine genders I was talking about, I mean, we can manipulate our perception, we can manipulate our relationship to them or how we worship them, but they exist with or without us. Yes. And they ultimately don't care about us. Yes. We've got to get to a place where we're not using these forces against each other. Yeah.

Because it's just slowing down where we could get to. Totally. You know? Yeah. And this is like, it's similar, but not. But like in Hawaii, like when me and my family go back to Hawaii, like we go every year to visit family live there whatever I feel like my most self there and I feel like when we're there there's like Malama the Ina which is like to love the island which is also it's

kapu which is tabu to take things from the island specifically nature right especially nature so you should never take anything from a beach like shells flowers whatever it is like you should never take from it because it will come and take something from you like you'll be basically punished or cursed And so I remember one time we were in Hawaii and my brother, my little brother, he was young at the time, but we were there and he was taking rocks out of the ocean to like go stack on the beach,

which like that's not taking it from Hawaii but still you're removing it from where it was. And I kept telling him, stop doing that. It's kapu to do that. Like it's something bad might happen. So stop doing that. And he was like, I think it's fine. And literally like in maybe 10 or 15 minutes later,

no waves. We're in the beach. No waves the whole time we're there. One giant, wave came and literally crashed into my brother as he was walking out with another rock. As he was walking out, crashed into him, like, tumbled him on the beach and he, like, sat up, his board shorts fell down a little bit. He was like, and he sat up, like, all eyes all red. Like, he just got, and I was like, I told you.

Happened, like, right after I said it. And then he went and put all the rocks back in the ocean. Lesson learned. I like to say, and I think hearing you talk about all of this, it feels a very much, like, like, of course this is how a Virgo would relate to magic. It's like, it just makes logical sense, you know? Adding logic. Exactly.

Like, if we look at Pythagorean's here, no, but like, I just feel like you can look at the logical choice, you can look at everything, and you can also look at the fun choice. Right. And then just choose the fun choice. You know, life is difficult these days. and sometimes we have to choose silliness and whimsy. I agree. And my favorite witches don't take themselves too seriously.

They have great senses of humor. They're like, I know how nerdy I am, and it makes me very happy. Exactly. And more people should try it, honestly. Yeah. I think more people should dabble. I think the world would be better off for it. Plus witchcraft is almost primarily dominated by women.

And we already practice so many forms of it. We just don't talk about it because of, you know, generational efforts to call it something else. Right. I agree. Trying to stop us out like that. But I do, I mean, I want to ask you a couple more questions first about, like, Broadway, like, how it's been. Like, how is, like, the journey been? And, like, I know it's probably, oh, my God, so much work.

Crazy shows a week. I always say when your dreams come true, that's when the real work begins, you know, because, yeah, like, getting. to a level in a very competitive. Sorry, we hit our vape pins before, our weed pins before this and I have some resin in my group. And she's not kidding, we did do that. I've been trying so hard to play, girl. No, it's like, it is a lot of hard work

to maintain a career in this industry. Totally. You know? And with success comes more like expectation. Yeah, totally. And bigger commitments to bigger projects. And I gotta say, I'm so, I felt ready for it my whole life, but I'm so glad it didn't happen until it did.

Because if I still drank, none of this would be going on. Like I could not do. Yeah. I'm so glad that I worked. on myself first because I chose to. Yeah, totally. And then certain things in my career started to. Falling in the place.

Yeah, and it's like, again, like, I don't look the gift horse in the mouth. I just know what's been working. Yeah. I keep going in that way. And I think a big part of what works is just loving what I do, you know? Yeah, absolutely. And you've been working your ass off, so yeah. I like it, though.

Yeah, me too. I also love to work. It is the happiest I've ever been. And of course, I could always take more downtime. But at about 10 days, I start getting like, okay, okay. That same birthday is really shining through. I have to have productive vacations. Me too.

Me too. Like, after a certain time, I'm like, okay, I'm ready to go back. And my type of vacation, I really don't like going and doing a bunch of stuff. I like to, like, lay completely still. And then after a certain time, I'm like, okay, I'm ready. I need a solid week of just absolute nothing. Me too. Like I can't even begin to enjoy myself until I've had a week of no responsibility.

And then I can responsibly have fun. Yeah. Exactly. I know sometimes when we go on our like vacations like to Hawaii specifically when we go back home for a bit, I literally tell everyone I'm like, you can come. But like I'll tell you what I'm doing, nothing. Yeah. If you want to traips around the island, feel free. I'm doing nothing.

I have to know ahead of time what vacation. Like, I went to Mexico City for 11 days, three years ago, had the time of my life. We did everything. And then for this most recent vacation, I said, the last vacation we did, we went everywhere, we saw everything, we did everything. I didn't complain once. I think maybe, maybe once. But the point is, I had to say yes attitude. This vacation needs to be.

So we rented a McMansion in Palm Springs and laid around for a week catching me up on drag race. Oh my God, and it's the best. Is it not the best? You just go and if you swim. I don't even like the sun. No, yeah. I like a beach town laissez-faire attitude though.

People were almost mad to like serve you coffee because they're like, why would you ask me to do something? It's Palm Springs. They're like, that's not what we do here. I don't drink coffee, but all the coffee drinkers in the group were like, yeah, they did not want us there. They were like, go home. Everybody needs to go home. That's so funny.

I feel the same way about vacation. Even like I turned 30 last year. And like, congrats. Thank you. Oh my God. I was so, I hated 29 solely because I wished I could have skipped 28 and gone straight to 30. Just because 29 felt like holding on to my 20s. I felt like I was like, I'm still 29.

There's so much pressure on your 20s, and once they're gone, you're like, good ridden. No, for real. I'm just glad I survived. I know, I never forgot. For real. Like, your 20s are for when you're, like,

your most chopped, your most unsuccessful, your most pro. Most volatile, most erratic, most, like, especially, okay, so I, like, was very, very goal-oriented my whole life. You and me both, going. And then I graduated college. and I was like, okay, well, I did it, and here I am, and it's kind of starting, but I feel like I missed a lot of shit that other people were doing.

And it was like, as soon as I popped the cork, I was like, oh, this is why people party. And so I had to go through my phase of, like, figuring out what everyone else figured out in high school and college, you know, like essentially my limits. And I told you I'm an all or nothing person. turns out I'm an when it comes to alcohol I'm a nothing. Found that out. But weed, I'm an awe. Me too, you and me both, Queen. And again, I don't know why it works, it just works.

I really think it's because it allows me to like relax for a second, like the way my brain functions and works. Like weed just gives me, it gives me what I think I see other people experience, which is just like nothing. I never don't experience nothing in my brain. Like there is something always cooking up here. And then sometimes when people are just staring off into space, I don't have that. Like I'm just constantly thinking and planning. Yeah, when I look like I'm staring off into space,

there's normally three conversations. Exactly. But we does, like, maybe it's the ritual I have around it where like, I'm going to hit my pen, so everyone let me be alone for us. You know, it's kind of like, don't talk to her. she's occupied. Dave's not here, man.

But it does kind of take the, even if it doesn't calm all the conversations, it takes them down from like six to two conversations. My God, that's how I feel too. And I like to say I'm 10, I got this from my friend, Alexandra,

Alex at Twin Temple, one of my favorite bands, satanic duop. Okay, T. She is of the same persuasion. She says 10% stupider, 100% happier. That's so true. When I was in college, and I hadn't smoked weed yet.

One time I asked one of my girlfriends, like, we were drinking, and I was like, how does it feel? Like, how do you feel when you're high? And then she said to me, it feels like when I'm really high, it feels like the worst thing in the world could happen in front of me. and I would be like, oh my God. But at the same time, I would be like, it's all right.

It's all right. And that's really how I feel about weed. I'm like, that's so true. And I know that it makes some people extra anxious. Yes. It's like, so much of life is a choose-your-own adventure. And that's the hardest part is that like we are raised in our country, but in most countries, you know, we all have our societal,

cultural norms. Yeah. So you're raised believing this is the way to be, and any deviation from that means you're either broken, sick, disturbed. Right. You know, and... This episode is brought to you by Pandora. This Mother's Day, celebrate the woman who's been there through it all with Pandora jewelry.

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you know right yeah not down with that personally me neither like what's your favorite strain of weed do you like a sativa intercaut. It's situational is I like to vape my sativa's because you know interesting I I vape regularly throughout the day so I've got a setiva that I like to say pairs well with my fistful of mood stabilizers and hormones. It keeps me peppy through the day. And then at the end of the day, it's all Indica. Oh, yeah. Hybrid if I'm out with friends.

I know. I do love a hybrid. Then I'm like, you know. And only, you know, I'm almost seven years of no alcohol. And recently, I've started microdosing mushrooms. I, again, I thought that mushrooms were an all or nothing thing. I didn't know you could just have a little and feel like just a little like.

So I do find as a California sober person, if I have to be around drunk people, I can stand it better if I'm... The mushrooms? Just a little mushrooms there. Interesting, good to know. I haven't tried shrimps yet. I'm a little nervous.

Again, you got to find your balance because you can tip the scale real quickly. Yeah, you can always add, but never subtracts. That's how well. about edibles. I saw a video once where this guy was like, the thing about edibles is like,

once you find your number, it's the best thing in the world. You can do your whole day with a smile on your face. I always say it's like, I don't need weed to get through my day, but you're all gonna enjoy me a lot more. If I haven't, we're all gonna get along better. It's in everyone's best interest that I, just a little.

It's true, my sister and I literally. Know thyself. Yes, we have to. I told my sister and I joke, we call it purse pen because we have like, I have a pen at home, I have a pen in my purse. And then I forgot my purse pen last week when I was traveling for work

and I was filming like a commercial on the beach for like 12 hours. So I told her, I was like, can I please borrow your purse pen, dude? I need it. And then I'm hitting it a couple times. I'm like, all right, let's go run on the beach. When you have to ration it,

when you find yourself somewhere where you suddenly don't have it. Yeah, like internationally. Yeah, and then you're suddenly rationing it. Isn't that the, you suddenly feel like, is this what feeling high is like? Again, when you're not consistently just a little stoned, you're like, right, this is what it feels like to get high. I never have that feeling anymore. I miss it, though.

Oh, my God, I feel so like. Yeah. I know we're like parallel universe. No, it's true. And then sometimes because I partake so often. now. Like, have you had a bad, like, trip recently on it or, like, greened out or anything recently? Have you done that in a while?

It's usually at the end of the day, it's a cumulative. It's like, oh, she's gone. We've lost. All production. We're not going to get anything usable at this point. A couple years ago, I took edibles in New York that truly sent me into a K-hole. I, for real, was like, what the fuck? Like, I woke up, and I literally felt like I was looking through a pinhole.

You were in the sunken place. Yeah, for real, was. And I remember I turned to my man because, like, I had to get on a flight in, like, two hours. And I was like, if I go to the airport like this, I'm going to get arrested because I'm moving and acting strange. And then I turned to my fiance and I was like, I was like, baby, babe, babe, wake up. I think something's wrong with me. I think I'm, like, fucked up, like, bad. And he turned around.

My fiance, for reference, has a hooded eyes. So he has a very, like, strong forehead and very hooded eyes. And I can never really fully see his eyes because they're almond and hooded. He turned around eyes like this. He goes, yeah, I'm fucked up. And then I got scared and I felt like my trip got worse. I was like, oh my God, oh my God, you look scary. You're my rock.

I was like, if you're fucked up, then I'm fucked up. I have never been too stone for the airport, but I have been that kind of stone where I'm like, everyone knows. Yeah. I have to act extra normal. But then I'm like picking up cookies, like, You're like, this is what humans do. 12 chocolate chips.

You're counting tiles. O'Don meal, you say. I'll try a scoop, bar, keep. You have a transatlantic accent? Yeah, you're Catherine Hepburn, all of a sudden. Because you're traveling, darling. I'm like, ah, see. That's so funny.

I did that once when I went. was hosting something for Moana 2. Sorry about that. I was like, and I had been working all day. That was my last thing of the night. And I was in the green room and I found my pen and I was hitting that bitch. I was like going crazy. And then like I hit it one more time and I was going to go to the restroom really quick

down before I had to go upstairs to like host something for an hour straight. So I'm hitting my pen like crazy. I walk outside. But then I remember there's other people down there. So I didn't want to blow smoke. So I just kept it in. And then I was like, you know what I mean like you're like start choking and then I went I was like I'll just go in the

bathroom there was like two separate stalls down there and so I was like my mom went in one I went in the other I'm in there as soon as I close the door I start hacking I'm like like like just trying to get it all out eyes bloodshot red I come out of the door my mom goes are you okay and then I go yeah why me getting scared like I'm like yes yeah and then she was like why would you ask yeah she was like why are you coughing like that and I go you you can hear me in there. She's like, yeah, it's not stone. She's like, it's not stone.

What the fuck? I was like, because I'm high, I'm like thinking, oh, no one can hear me in here. And then I go upstairs, and then I had about 30 minutes before I had to host for an hour. I'm like, Chrissy Teigen and John Legend are here with their kids.

I need to lock it up. So I was like, I was like, shit, what am I going to do? Because my thing is, I don't get the scaries. I just get too silly. That's what I like to call it. So I'm like, I'm going to go up there and make a boob joke.

and I need to keep it right. I need to get right with God right now. That's what I need to do. So then I was like, I feel like I have to go outside and have the zoomies, like a dog. I just got to run around in a circle for a couple of times. So what I did instead was like my cousin,

who's my hair and makeup artist, was there. And I just started telling a million jokes. Like I was just like firing off jokes about anything I saw, anything I thought about. And then I felt like I got it all out of my system because I was just being inappropriate with him, like making all these dumb ass jokes. And I was like, all right, I'm ready to go.

That's again why you got to have the right people around you. Sky knows exactly when I'm like, oh, we have a, if I start getting to, he makes a deep cut reference to The Simpsons. The episode where Ned Flanders loses his cool and freaks out on everyone. Sky will start going, calm down there, diddley, diddley, didle, Because I'm sitting there going like, they can't just, no, I'm going to, oh, diddley, diddley, didily. And usually that'll make me laugh and then the rage will subside. Like if you can genuinely make me laugh, I can't stay angry.

No, me too. Likewise. So that usually just reminds me, we're just telling jokes here. We're like, literally. That's when I remember. I'm like, this is a made-up job. It's okay. This is a made-up job and everything's going to be okay.

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Yeah, I know, I know a lot of things about the things I care about. Like, especially when I get obsessed with something, I learn it inside out. And then, yeah, there's the thing. that like for one reason or another, I know way too much. Oh my God, me too. And sometimes like, it'll, like someone will just say the right sentence

and then I start like, did you know, blah-bitty, blah, blah, blah, and everyone looks at me like, why the hell do you know that? My sister once told me, she goes, I don't know how you know so many things because I know you don't read. That's not true, but I don't read like factual things.

But when I do, I really absorb but I'm the same way because, and I said on the show many times, like, when I was a kid, I would, like, learn about something. And then for some reason, I'd be like, I need to learn everything there is to know about this. So, like, I did, like, a perfect example I always bring up is the Titanic. And I don't mean the movie. I mean the ship itself and just the history of the Titanic and, like, the logistics of the Titanic itself. And so much, though, I learned so much about it. I was, like, so obsessed with it. I was like, this is crazy. This is such an example of hubris. Like, that's what I was thinking as a child. I asked my mom to, buy me books, like as a kid about the Titanic, but all the kid ones are like, don't have the details. So like my mom had to start buying me adult books about the Titanic, the history of it. Then when I watched the movie, I like after the movie I told my mom, is that a real story? And she was like, like of Jack and Rose. I go, yeah, she goes, no. And I go, pointless. Like I was like, they didn't talk about the crew. They didn't have it. They talked about the history of the Titanic. A useless movie. The boats leading up to the Titanic. Yeah, I was like,

Like literally like, yeah, the trial and error phase leading to the Titanic, the lack of lifeboats on board. Why? I was like, they did all the important shit. They left it out. What's the point? I feel that way. Okay, so I am that way about video games. And I really, really love video games.

Oh, yes, that's right. But I've been playing video games my whole life. So this is something that usually, like when I am talking to straight guys, they are surprised. that you know so much I know, and like deep cut information too. And recently I got to go to the Blizzard Studios, and they are a big video game designer that I've been playing their games practically my whole life.

And I have never felt, only since Broadway have I felt so at home with people where we're sitting there talking about video games, like the minutia. And they want to talk about it too. I'm that way with Greek mythology. I love Greek mythology. Oh my God, you're scaring me.

I'm getting scared. I'm feeling fear. And I'm getting that way with witchcraft, but like the history of witchcraft and the perception of witchcraft. So witchcraft is like witches are just a big part of human culture.

Yeah. because they're powerful and women are powerful and the effort to suppress our knowledge of witches is hand in hand with the efforts to suppress the power of women. Yes. Like it is all like just witchcraft is feminism. Yes, it is. It's a big part of it. It's also tied to like doulas and midwives and everything witchcraft.

I mean like when you. start pulling that thread. You don't have to worry about the magic. You should just care about the history of propaganda that has been done against the entirety of women. Yeah, absolutely. Of womanhood. Yeah, especially the power of women, like you said. It was like really a tactic trying to stomp out like women understanding how powerful they are spiritually too. Lots of intersex and trans people in different cultures and communities have been spiritual leaders. and that was also something that got stamped out. So this is all part of, and you know, we have big conversations about intersectionality.

And gender is like, it really does. It affects the people who seem to be benefiting from it too. Like, I mean, when you look at the men in charge, they're the worst examples of men. And then when you look at the men just following the rules, they are living this. much of an existence because they're in the confines of what's acceptable for them, you know? Yeah, absolutely. No one gets to really start living their life until they break free from the gender roles that were pushed on them.

Absolutely, gender binary as a whole. Absolutely. I talk about that a lot too on here because I'm Samoan and there's a Fafafinis or a third gender that existed prior to being colonized. So, like, we've been very aware of the relationship between gender, spirituality, all of that, especially in a lot of indigenous communities, intersex people, third gender people were like deities and a lot of indigenous communities. They were worshipped and sought to be like all knowing, especially because they had the power of both essentially, but they didn't adhere to gender binary whatsoever. The idea of the two sex gender construct, the two, the binary, the idea of the gender binary is specifically a colonial white idea.

Yes, it's a huge part of imperialism. not based in biology or science or fact or reason. It is propaganda. It is. And they get really mad when you say that. Oh, yeah, because I like to say, because I know so much about ancient Greece and Greek mythology, it's in marble. We've always existed. We have always had places in society.

The only thing that changes over time is the way people treat us. Yes, exactly. It's very true. That's why I think when I talk about colonialism on a larger scale, and I talk about just the colonization and almost the attempt to erase historical context from many different cultures, it can really hit a nerve for people, especially cisgendered white people, because I do stand up for the dolls all the time. I talk about dolls all the time, and I know it's important that cis women especially

defend trans women, because, again, especially as a not white cis woman. like you said, it will affect me. Like it will affect like any sort of attack on transness will affect cis people as well. If we tell anyone that they're allowed dominion over a group of people, that's all it takes. And then they'll find a reason for another group of people. You know, you can't give that permission in any form

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No one's free, it's a world free kind of deal. And I get frustrated because I, not to say that I'm like a perfect feminist or anything, but like, you know, we've had the bathroom conversation for so long and like what is the ethical thing to do there

and how to respect it to everyone? And I'm like, I wish that cis women knew how scared I am of making them feel uncomfortable. Like that is like that is my worst fear. I used to choose the men's restroom because if I'm going to make anyone uncomfortable with my presence, I'd rather it be the men and I'd rather get into a fight with a man as to why I'm in there.

But it became stupid for me to go into the men's restroom. It was a problem. And if there's not a restroom for, you know, everyone, then I'm having to very quickly go into a women's restroom and hopefully not get seen by the person who's going to have a problem with it. And also hopefully not make a woman who, for whatever reason, has misinformation and believes that she's not safe because I'm there. It's like, I know that this is, I'm not a monolith for the trans community, but most of us are more anxious about upsetting everyone else than we are like defiantly coming in to piss whether you like it or not, you know? Like I'm just like, I just really actually need to be. No shit. And I need to do it like everyone else.

And also are you, are you looking at every, are you trying, like I was. No, I'm usually trying to take at the least amount. I'm never looking at anyone in the bathroom. I mean, think of how you behave in the bathroom. Do you know who's horrible in the bathroom as someone who's been in both? Men's restrooms are just the nexus of hell. Like men, oh, the sounds they make and they don't give a shit. One of the seven circles.

And then they'll talk on the phone while they're, oh, it's just. They talk on the phone while they're taking it. I mean, I don't know. I, I, like, who would want a shit around men first. of all. Like, yeah, whoever wants to be around them. I think, I think men should, you know what, I'm going down a whole thing here. The point is, most of us just need to get it and get out. No shit. For real. And also, it's been to mind the business that pays us for fuck's sake. I know, it's so not an issue. That's why I'm like, we're at war. We have bigger problems. We're at war.

It's like, it's so not an issue in my, in my head ever. And it's a smoke screen, obviously. It's It's a distraction tactic, which is another tool. And wouldn't we all prefer private restrooms to discreetly vaping in UA? Yeah, what about me? That's not mine. I saw a comedian say that non-gender, gender neutral restrooms

were created for trans people to discreetly vaping. I can't remember who said it, but shout out to you, it's one of the funniest things I've ever said. And me. I'm also discreetly vaping in the bathroom Do you get mad about the people who are like Okay, like in an Airbnb and they're like no smoking or vaping

Yeah, like show me the logic behind why no vaping Right Other than just you're not cool Okay You're so not cool So this is not a cool house, got it Yeah And you know what

And you know what I'm doing? I'm hitting it and blowing it under the covers. And then I'm sandwiching it like a Dutch oven. I'm Dutch ovening myself. Have you ever tried to blow it into your purse and then? Yes, I have actually. It's funny you say that because yes, I have. I've tried to blow it in my blazer and I blew it down, went out the bottom.

I said, well, that didn't work. Oh, guys, did you guys see that? It got smoky all of a sudden. Oh, you always have to look around. What the hell is that? Girl, is someone vaping in here? I'm curious, were you able to smoke weed while you were performing? Does it affect your performance at all?

Well, I like to say that I have a lot of tricks for maintaining my weed smoking. Love, period. It's about minimizing other things. And yeah, like I have routines that change when I'm doing eight shows a week. For one, believe it or not. I exclusively smoke from a bong because it's keeping the heat as far away from my throat as possible. That's what I was asking. I was asking logistically if it's affecting the throat at all.

It's so funny you say that about the bong. When I started smoking out of a bong again like last year, I got one for Christmas from my aunt. But I always say when I smoke the bong, I feel like the weeds fighting me back. Like I hit the bong, the bong hits me. Like that's what it feels. You've got to hit the bong from your diaphragm. Right. Yeah, literally.

You've got to like make the space. Yeah, like, I remember the first one my friend taught me how to smoke out of a bong in college. She was like, you can't be afraid of it. Have you done gravity bongs? Oh, yes, I have, actually. Yes, I have. Those are still what can still get me.

Yeah, oh, like that. The first time I did a dab, like with the blow torch and everything, I got the spin so bad. I had to lay down and go to sleep. I was, like, crying, and I was, like, like, I have to lay down. I have to close my eyes. This day has to be over immediately. Scary. It can still happen, folks. I know even the strongest of us can still be brought down. Sometimes when I was like talking

to my team about like working with this like potential like weed drink thing. It didn't work out. But like they were like, oh, did you get a chance to try them? Like I sent them to you. And I was like, yeah, I did. But the one whole can is five milligrams. And I was like, see, My thing is like I need to be darted like an elephant. Like when the gorilla has to go to the dentist, like that's what I need. We're going to need to wait for some laws to pass before we're going to be able to sell what I want to sell. You know, so it's very much like I was telling you, I like to microdose mushrooms.

Yes. When I am in a Broadway show and I'm like looking at five months. eight shows a week, not planning to call out. I live like a nun, I say, but I still have to be a happy person. I always say, but if I'm bitter and resentful, this is all moot because you're not going to get the magic me if I'm in a pissed off mood.

So I do, you know, make all of the adjustments, but I also am very realistic. I'm like, would I be the world? most perfect singer if I stopped smoking no there's like I'd rather be the world's happiest singer but I do take care of it's more it's like this I feel responsible to my audience yeah totally so I will do what I have to do to still be show ready I get that that'll that'll mean adjusting my life as much as I have to but I still find the balance.

Yeah, have to. Yeah, you said for the sake of everyone. For the sake of every. Yeah, I feel that way too. I'm like, when I don't smoke weed enough, like, I feel like I turn into like venom. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like he starts speaking in my ear and like telling me to bash people's heads in the walls.

And I'm like, I can't, I can't. And I'm sweating through my t-shirt. I feel like it roughs the smooths the rough edges. Yeah, exactly. I'm able to look at the things that annoy me and giggle about it and say, me too. And say, oh, that's. that crazy cat of mine.

You know, like, one time I was like, I was supposed to go on this like brand trip. This is the one and only time I think I went to, I tried to go on a brand trip, missed three planes, random reasons, like I didn't get on the plane, went to the airport three fucking times. After the third time, I was like, I'm taking my sign from the universe,

so I'm going home. Something bad's probably gonna happen to me if I go on that trip. But the first time I missed the plane, I never miss flights ever. I'm never late. So like I, not my fault, we missed the plane. And like my, my age

agent calls me and she's like, I'm so sorry. I don't know what happened. Like, because I'm someone who would freak out over stuff like that, like missing my planes, missing my like times for stuff, whatever. And I was like, yeah, no worries. And she was like, are you okay? Is everything good? And I was like, yeah, no, I'm feeling good. And then the next day she told me she was like, I was so surprised that you weren't like stressed out. And I was like, oh, because I was like 30 milligrams deep. At the time it happened, I was like, I can't react even if I wanted to. Can't. Well, I mean, and I also, I work with a psychiatrist who prescribes medication that helps me with a lot of symptoms that I deal with daily. I, again, you know, I know because of times I've had to do it without the weed.

Yeah. But I also say this to myself, weed has existed for so long. And it's of the earth. And people have had a relationship to it for so long. I don't know. Is it colonialist to be anti-weed? Right. I feel like, yeah.

That's the kind of questions I'm asking when I'm high too. Yeah. If anything, I'm fighting the power. If anything. I'm fighting the big man. This is just pagan activity. Yeah, this is me living in opposition. I'm being a witch.

I know earlier you said you love video games. I also love video games, but I feel like you love video games more than me. I'd love to know what are your faves? I play Overwatch Daily. Oh, love. Now, this is like, I call it like Capture the Flag with Superpowers.

All my friends call it my shoot-em-up game. Right. Because it's a lot of bang, back, back, bang, bang, are you like on the console? PS5. Me too, I love my PS5. I need my controller. Clicking like this doesn't give me the same,

nostalgic feeling. I have a digital PS5, which was a hard shift. Because I was, I've been so old school about so many things. I'm like, no, I miss the smell of you take it out of the. Yeah, the clinic of brand new. But, you know, I'd rather not contribute to the plastic waste. I just wish there was some way, like you buy a game and then they send you like a little coin that says like, I have something.

This game. You got that game, maybe. I can put it on display, you know? Oh, nice. Are that, is Overwatch first person shooter? Yeah. Okay. Do you like those first person games more?

That's like the only one like that I play. Okay. Mostly I play, um, uh, fantasy RPG. Ooh. And I like to, even when they're like stressful situations. Yeah. Um, it's about like, help us figure out the problem, uh, about, uh, you know, the, the, the, the, the,

the magic crisis in the Eastern realm. I was just playing this one that was like so clearly about colonialism and like the ills of white colonialism. Right, yeah, yeah. And it's called avowed and basically the whole way through you can make decisions to either side with the colonialists, side with like, not interfering with the land

that's being discovered. and then trying to strike some kind of balance. And I was just like, it's so well done that if you're not paying attention, you can totally miss it, but still learn the lessons. Interesting. Video games have become, I think, for some people, that's like where they put the energy

they would have put into a novel. Yeah, you're right. Because they found a different way to learn. Yeah, that's how they learned. And so that's how video games made by video game lovers are the best best video games ever. I love that. I also love video games, but I love,

I don't like first person ones, but I love story ones. So I love, I've like played all the Assassin's Creed's. I've like, I just played Ghost of Sushima, Ghost of Yote. Those are like two of my new favorites. I was playing, I was playing that one. And sometimes when I'm learning a show, I can't like I just finished a video. vowed because I had a week off and I was just like, I'm going to play this game as much as I

possibly can so I get through. You're scaring me. I do the same thing. Sometimes when I'm like learning a new show, I can't play a heavy story game because I start getting the details mixed up. And I also, I also like, I'm like, that's all I'm going to think about. I can't, I can't do it. And I start resenting the work I have to do because I can't play my video game. I'm not even kidding. Yes, me too. Your family's laughing. I'm starting to sweat again because I'm getting nervous. Oh my god, I'm getting scared. So I was. You're so many.

There's like a few games I started and then work got too busy. So I'll have to find another game. I literally, I literally, I didn't touch Ghost of Yote. I had it for like eight months. I didn't touch it because I was like, when I start that, I need to not be busy. So Overwatch is good for this because it's just a little rounds. Right. There's also Hades is a good game.

Okay. I've actually just watched a trailer for a new game, a new Hades game, I think. There's Hades and Hades too. Yes. I haven't played it myself, but I love the story that's there. And it's one of those games you can pick up and put down. Okay, good to know. Hurt of the Lamb is kind of like Hades, but just a little lighter and a little more like easy to pick up and put down.

Yeah, I know. When they're fully immersive like that, plus when I play Gosesushishima, Gossi Yote, I put it in Japanese. So I have to like read the subtitles and everything. And I waited till like my break around the holidays. I call it my Christmas break, like school. As soon as I was off, that's all I did, 12 hours a day. I was like, I had one week of, like, I had like a couple meetings. Yeah.

And the rest of the time I was just playing this video game. And like, and over and kind of just like getting through it because, and like trying to absorb as much of the story as I could, but also like, come on, come on. I only have a week to get there. And I made it to the end and I feel very accomplished because it's been a while since they've actually made it to the end.

Oh, period. I can recommend a vow. Okay, I love. I'm not even kidding. I was like, about, about, about, about. Because I was like, I don't want to forget. My favorite of all time is Dragon Age Inquisition. Have you ever played that one?

No. It's real good. It's like that you'll, you need a month. I do. I need time off. You need time off. I need to submit my PTO. for that.

To me. Okay, good to know. What's that one about? It's about the age of dragons. No. It's kind of your classic fantasy. There's like warring kingdoms. Love that.

Clashes between different colonies of like, you know, mythical beings, mythical races. You're talking dirty to me now. They come from far off lands and they have horns, you know, they're called the Kunari. We have to try to understand them. I'm so excited.

But it's like it's always an allegory for something. And what I love about the Dragon Age series is the game Dragon Age Inquisition was the first video game I ever played where there was a trans character introduced and all of the rhetoric written around this character is like current day, like the correct. rhetoric, not regressive, not like offensive. Offensive.

Yeah. But then your character has the option to say the wrong things. And then the other characters educate your character on why that's, why that's the wrong thing to say. And when I saw that, I was like, you know, I've always loved video games, and I've always felt a special connection to them as a solitary person. It's always been my one way to connect

with boys and straight guys, you know, back when that mattered to me. But now to see that like the queer video game player is being acknowledged. It's... Beautiful. I love life.

That's why I get so angry at the people trying to fuck it up for us. Right. For real. Absolutely. I really, like, the people who piss me off the most are the ones trying to stop other people from living their best life. It just doesn't make sense

to me. Yeah, in a way that doesn't affect them personally at all. It's like, life's too short to let someone else tell you how to live it. And also fucking boring. Life without gay and trans people is so fucking boring. Well, it's never exists. That's my point. I'm saying, like,

can you imagine? And we get to see how boring it is. I like to think like these MAGA, like events they put on as counter events. First of all, they're like the Super Bowl halftime show they did. That's a glimpse into a world without queer people, baby. And do you want to listen to Kid Rock for the rest of your life? Like, yeah, that's the barrel you're staring down. You know, and then you look at Mar-a-Lago face.

That's what it looks like when you exclude the dolls, you know. We don't tell you our surgeons. and you've got to find your own. For real, also a cabinet full of people with gender affirming care. I don't want to fucking hear it. Hypocracy is another thing. All there is is Juvederm in that White House.

I don't want to fucking hear it. I can't, like, as a Virgo, once I logically figure out someone's being a hypocrite, I just like, you'll never win me over. No, literally ever. Until you undo your own hypocrisy, we can't even begin to have a conversation.

Yeah, don't even bother me with the conversation. Don't want to hear it. Because until you practice what you preach, I don't get to, I don't, I don't, I don't. This podcast is brought to you by Carvana. Selling your car should feel like one less thing on your list, not one more. With Carvana, it is. Just go to Carvana.com and to your license plate or Vin and get a real offer down to the penny. No back and forth, no surprises, just an experience you can trust.

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Oh my God, same. Sometimes because I think because of what I do, like the niche, the very specific niche I've carved out on TikTok and stuff, sometimes people ask me like, what do I do if like my boyfriend or partner or whatever or like my friend is like, or like doesn't, like, how do I talk to that? I don't know, I don't have people like that in my life. I like dead ass, I'm like, I don't know, I hate bigots, and I'm not friends with any of them, so I'm not really sure. Okay, so here's the best, like, things someone said to me about myself,

that I would say, this is how you deal with bigots. I have worked with many wonderful straight male actors on Broadway, who have never treated me. me like anything other than the leading lady. Yeah, the woman you are. The woman I am, the leading lady. And I, one time had a very candid conversation because it was my first time in a production as a woman.

And I told my friend how much I appreciated that he never treated me like anything but the leading lady. And he said to me, you never gave me any other option. And I'm like, that. That kind of confidence is not, I mean, that's easier said than done. Right, I agree.

But when you have to claim something for yourself, so, and you have to like fight for it, yeah. Then it's easier to tell people like, stand down if you don't want a problem. For real. Like I fought too hard to get here to like you be the one who stands in.

Like, I'm taking on. bigger monsters than you in Hollywood for years. It's true. That's such a good way of looking at it. You're right. Like a no-nonsense household. Like, it's a very, like, guest in the house to me. Like, I'm very, like, you can hang out as long as you're respectful.

My family was not perfect by any means. And, you know, I still had to unlearn plenty of conditioning that white people are taught by our culture and by our families, whether they mean to or not. But the rule always was we can't judge others because then it invites them to judge us. You know, like I only ever want to ask of other people what I'm willing to give them. And I feel like, you know, to exist in this world, we didn't ask to be born on this planet, but here we are sharing it. So we're all roommates and just be good roommates.

For real. I'm a real respect begets respect kind of bitch. So it's like if you give it, I'll give it too. And if you don't, God help you. I won't disrespect you. But again, I'm just gonna, you know, I'm gonna, I'm gonna log off. Bye bye now. That's what the weeds for to tune you out.

Need that. Need that. Exactly. So I do have some fun facts for you. Okay. Now we're going to pivot to your fun. facts and you can let me know if they're fun. Sure. Okay, so it says

the first one is easy. We kind of talked about it already that you have described witchcraft as your philosophy. Does that ever get any pushback from people when you talk about that? No, because I feel like those who practice Wicca as a religion, they refer to themselves as Wiccans,

you know? And those who practice witchcraft, some people practice both, some people practice. one and not the other. Yeah. You know, it's all, it's a, it's a, it's a choose your own adventure. I'd say, more people are offended by me quoting the Bible to them or pointing out the hypocrisies in Christianity than they are of like the way I identify as a witch, you know.

Most witches are just happy you're doing something. Representation. That's what you're, you're providing them with representation. It's a beautiful thing. Okay, this next one says That your very first large-scale drag performance Was at the Escape Nightclub Where you popped out of a box dressed as a wind-up doll

Yeah, that is like that's very accurate My first iteration of doing drag was me and my friend Etienne I was always in the school place So I didn't have time for an after-school job So we would busk on the streets on the weekend And we would paint ourselves up like mine and bring a boom box and do drag numbers, but specifically like things from Pinocchio

or chitty, chitty bang, bangs. You're doing drag busking? Yeah, drag mime work. And then eventually we started doing these numbers at the nightclubs. And that was our initial drag act. And then eventually it was like, okay, I've done the doll thing, what else?

I just saw your video where, I think it was like 2007 where you were doing Jinksalicious. I just saw that video literally this morning on the way down here. I thought it was tea. That was one of those things where I got hold of the karaoke trick

and I just did that number as much as I possibly could because I thought I was the most clever little thing in the world. Now I work with a music partner who writes my lyrics so they get a little more clever. I still love writing parody

songs and I do in the Jinks and Dela Holiday show. Yes. But I got to say like, you know, I was, what, 16 then? Your version of Jinks Alicious was amazing. 10 out of 10 from me. You know, I'd love to,

me and Fergie can have a licious off someday. A Licious off. If you perform Jinks Alicious on like America's Got Talent, or is it America's Got Talent? I want to perform it for Fergie's lifetime achievement. But it's about you. That's a great idea

Oh my God, I love that Or she gets into like the Hall of Fame or something Or I'll write Be a Drag Queen set to be Italian Anyway This is We're pulling the threads here Well I think everyone should look into Jinks Delicious I think it was a hit

A Certified Hit in my opinion Okay next fun fact When you were first starting out in Seattle You worked as a janitor while performing in musical theater shows and finishing school. Yes. Oh my gosh, that's crazy.

My freshman year, I got the work-study job as the school janitor, and I would go to school four hours before my classes, clean the school, and then take classes in those rooms that I cleaned. And I would be the person like students would make messes. I'd be like, you? do you think's gotta clean that up? I was like the mom in the theater department telling, like telling my friends not to make messes, like,

ugh. And then I, on breaks, I would, I'd go back and work at the nightclubs, but I'd also work at the gap. And then I had like, I had a short, a short lived job and food service. Me too, very short for me. All that took was a short time in food service and I went back to being a janitor.

I was like, I need people to stop talking to me. Like, I need to go back to put my headphones in. Right. Let me do my thing, the place will get clean. Yeah. No, I would choose that too over serving. When I was a server for a little tiny bit in college, it was the worst job I've ever had.

Yeah. It was like genuinely terrible. I just, again, logic. Like, as soon as they have a problem that I'm like, that's not a problem. Right. That's not a real problem. Same.

Then I can't feel. fake it. So I loved cleaning. So I loved cleaning for these reasons. It was solitary and I got to do it my own way and people didn't care how it got cleaned as long as it got clean. But I did do some disgusting things. I had to clean some disgusting messes. I imagine you cleaning like in the hallway and then you're finishing the math equations in the classroom too. Well I went to art school so there were no

math equations. But I did continue doing custodian work after school. I did a hospital setting for a little bit. That was some rough messes sometimes. But I also freelance cleaned people's apartments. Look at you. So my roommates were furious that I would go clean other people's places and then come home. I'm like, I'm too tired of cleaner.

Well, hello. You're home. That's what I do for a living. You want me to bring work home? That's where I don't do karaoke. But yeah, yeah. It was a fun job. I like that.

No, you're a hardworking girl. Shit. This next fun fact says you own a 115-year-old home in Portland called Monsoon Manor. Yeah, and it's been queer owned since the 60s. Oh, I love that. It was sold from one queer owner to another queer owner, and then I bought it from that queer owner who was also the supervisor at the queer teen rec center that I hung up. out at as a kid

and they sold me the house they actually took our offer over the developer's offer because they were going to tear it down and turn it into condos so on either side of our very Portland witch house very Portlandy looking oh I bet I can only imagine

artsy DIY house I can only imagine on either side there's like you know manufactured condos so it's a little bit like the opening scene in Up. I was gonna say it's like it's a little bit like that when I saw up I was like I get it was like where you get that picture on my house? I felt that way. Someone's watching me.

Oh my God, that's so beautiful though I love that. I love that it's been passed down generations too. It's a special house. Yeah, I'll never let it get torn down. And I bet it's super witchy too because of you. I'm sure I can only imagine. Well, we put a lot of work. into it and it's not just me the whole family

we really love that place oh it's beautiful okay last fun fact it says in 2013 you started an off-broadway musical comedy called the vaudevillians yeah vaudevillians that was the show that I began writing with

my music partner and then roommate we met in college we started living together in college we started entertaining ourselves we both had small parts in the show our town. Okay. And so we would pretend to be the oldest people in town and we would like make up these jokes about like in the good old days and then we started singing old timey versions of pop

songs like as if as if they were written way back when. And then that kind of morphed into this idea of what if they were vaudeville stars from the 1920s who did write most of the popular music we know today but never got their copyrights because they were lost at some point and now they've come back and we were like okay so how did they get lost and how do they come back the premise was we were two vaudeville stars who had gotten frozen alive in an avalanche but the amount of cocaine in our systems kind of cryogenically froze us and now we've thawed out and we're here to like fight the the the custody battles for our original music. So girls just want to have fun

was about the women's suffragette movement and toxic was about Mary Cary's work in radiation. Oh my God. Okay. You should bring it back. We, I would love to bring it back. I'd have to do some rewrites because I'm not 24 anymore

and I used to do the splits as like a big part of a show. It was like I built a lot of the show around doing the splits. Around the splits. I'm going to have to come up with a new bit. But no, it's, I, I, I love, I love doing my work through the stupidest choices possible. I like to say I have serious conversations, very serious conversations that are very important to me in the stupidest way I can find. I get that.

Because it's, oftentimes the best way to communicate with people because, you know, They got enough people yelling at them and lying to them. I'd rather just be honest and silly. I agree. I agree. I've compared my content because I told people before, like, everything that I'm teaching it was like not new. Like anything you learn from me about like feminism, white supremacy,

the patriarchy, whatever it may be is not new, right? And I was like, but I describe my like education of the people who follow me because a lot of them have been like, oh, I had never really thought about it that way. I'd never really unpacked my own, like, internalized biases that way. I always describe it or liken it to, like, putting a pill in cheese and giving it to a dog. Like, however you learn, if it's, like, through sillies, if it's through jokes, that's great. Just don't stop with me. Like, I always say, like, if this is how you intro to it, and you're like, actually, maybe this is something I should look into. Maybe this is something I should care about. Yeah. Then if that's how you learn, that's great. That's wonderful. And I wonder

if it's been true for you that the more you reveal of yourself, the more you welcome more people in because they're like, like, I thought telling the world that I practice witchcraft was going to be a bad thing. Right. But it got to this point where I was like, that's too much a part of my life, like to try to not talk about it. Yeah, totally. So I started talking about it. And now, witches come to my shows and they're like that's a witch like there she is she came and and um and i just i love the fact that comedy has been my way to talk to so many different people yeah likewise it's been it's it makes me happy knowing that i chose laughter as a path in life me too and it doesn't mean that I don't confront the hard stuff.

And I do the work so that my jokes are jokes I feel good about telling you know. Exactly. But I really feel like there's a reason why the divine theater masks are tragedy and comedy. Like we learn from each other's experiences through those like extreme ends of the spectrum, like through our extreme joy

and our extreme pain that we choose to share with one another. Yeah, absolutely. I agree. And I'm sure you get this too. Like sometimes when you expand further on a topic and it's not as silly, but like you have multiple times throughout the show. And then sometimes when you're expanding on that to some people, they'll be like, wow.

Like, and even if it's clipped and put somewhere, you'll see people in the comments going, I did not think she was that smart. Well, I mean, people won't shut up about my episode with Z. talking about J.K. Rowling and I was like, we were just cutting up with each other. Like, I'm so glad it resonates. Yeah, no, that's that.

Oh, no. I feel that way too. But I feel that way too. You know, again, don't question it. No, for real. But I sure do love it. I sure do, I sure do, I feel honored to get to be in this place at this time because,

It was for a reason. It's all, you know, being a performer. Yeah. And I've never really cared how. Like I've done stand-up comedy or I've been a drag queen since I was 15 years old. Being on stage in theater is my favorite version of it. But I find it everywhere. You know, I find it in these conversations.

Absolutely. And I just think the world's a better place when we're allowed to do those things. I agree. Especially you and I. Yeah, especially you and I. I feel like you and I are so powerful in that, especially being born on the same day, I think you and I are so powerful in that,

like, I could easily turn evil, but I'm not. I made that choice and I, you know, that's another reason I don't drink. It's true. But it's like, yeah, like, don't push a smart, funny person too far. I'm telling you. Your best comedians are just one push away from being, an evil genius.

This isn't even, I don't have a punchline here. One of my lines I wrote down for my next stand-up special just says, I've been spending a lot of time staring at myself in the mirror like a Batman villain. And I'm like, where was I going with this? That's just something I feel like sharing with me. Just a thought starter. I want you to know what I could be doing. It's true.

But I choose not to. I say that all the time. I use my evil for good. I really do, especially me, I feel like it's a real Robin Hood situation. I am robbing, but at least I'm giving back. Yeah.

So it's all neutralizing. And what you were saying really resonated with me that like all the lessons that I don't try to teach anyone, anything. Yeah. I just share with everyone what worked for me. Same. This is all just me paying it forward from somewhere else.

I agree. I don't know the sources half the time. I just know that this. This is what worked for me, so you should do it too. Right, exactly. And that's coming from a Virgo, bitch. Yes, bitch. And write it down so you don't forget next time.

Well, I fucking love you. Ditto. You're amazing. You're incredible and an icon, and this is me being serious for once in this entire episode. I think you are so amazing and talented, which I know you know, but I really think that it's like divine timing that you're having this moment now especially.

Like people are, you are so. brave and important and I really am grateful that the internet specifically because the world has known what a fucking star you are I've known what a fucking star you are but I'm glad that the internet at large and younger people get to see you in the light that you're in now I think it's a beautiful full circle thing well I feel exactly the same about you and I think you know leaning into our authentic selves knowing that we are providing representation

for a community. It helps me remember that I'm part of something bigger. Me too. Especially when it's like it gets very, it can get very like, you're a goddess on earth

and everyone is so lucky, you know? But it's, I make the time at the stage door to really listen to the young trans people who say, I feel like I can do

what you're doing because you're doing it and I'm like there weren't as many people when I was that age right but I noticed each and every one of them yeah and I know how powerful it is to have that moment and like I got to thank John Cameron Mitchell for creating Hedwig and the Angrench because that to me told me there was a place for me to go in this industry yeah and when I remember those moments and when I remember that it's that's the real magic. It's not my name in lights. It's that feeling that's getting

that went from one person to me to the next person. That's the real, real magic of what we're doing. I agree that like cosmic exchange. It is, it does refill my cup too when I feel frustrated or upset because I know you know this, but like sometimes it fucking sucks being the first. Sometimes it's isolating and it's awful

and it's hard being the first in a lot of ways. But then moments like that, I've said many times, like testimonies like that from people who love me and they say things like, I never would have done this if it wasn't for you. I, you changed my life, whatever. That kind of stuff reminds me. Like, that's why I really love the job. It's actually humbling. Yeah. Because what it is is I didn't set out to do that for you.

I just was doing what I knew I should do. Right. And then it got to do that extra stuff. And so the fact that I get to do what I've always wanted to do and it has this positive impact, that's what keeps me humble. Me too. Like the more I worry about the popularity of it,

the more I get diverted from what's special about our work. Yeah, like the real reason behind it. I think that all the time too, I'm like, it's so much bigger than me. Like it's so much bigger than me. And it makes me feel more grateful for it too, because it can suck doing this too. And keep the right people close.

Yes, exactly. Exactly. Especially for the humbling part. Never replace the people who are real with you, with people who just tell you what you wanna hear. Oh my God, I know. Because I've watched friends do that and I've watched them stop being my friend.

Right. And I never saw them again. And I never saw them again. No, and you're so right. I literally was just joking about this the other day. I was telling my, I was wearing my mom, right? I love, my family is always extremely humbling to me, which is a beautiful thing.

I need that. And my mom the other day, literally like a week ago, I was like, we were going to meetings or something. I had a bunch of meetings or whatever. And I was wearing these like suit pants. They were like pinstripe blue pants and I had like a little white top on. And so I had these exact shoes. I was like, let me try these on with the pants.

I've seen girls do that, put it on and go look in the mirror and I'm like, I'm not living this. Like as I'm looking, I'm like, does this look bad? And my mom goes, no, it doesn't look bad. And I'm all, really? And then she goes, it doesn't look bad. It just looks like you're going to go catch up on your steps at lunch. And my sister goes commuter shoes.

I'm like, yeah, I was like, okay. Yes what that did made me change the whole outfit. I scrapped the whole thing, picked a new outfit. That reminds me one of my favorite things, my grandma, who was the first person. My grandma, my aunt knew I was a drag queen before anyone else in my family because I trusted them to not worry about it.

And I used to show my grandma my look for the night before I went out that night and see if she had any, final notes, right? And one night I had my hair and I had put a lot of work into this hair. Never been a strong suit of mine hair, right? This was not me today. And I went and I showed her the wig and I said, I think this hair works because I'm singing a country song tonight. And my grandma went, well, sweet pee, it's just that country singers are known for having really nice hair, like really well-styled hair. And I was like, oh, my grandma.

just read me. It's like really, that was a soft read. It got libraries open. Damn. So I just, you know, I had the right people around me. And that's a beautiful thing, and I love that. I fucking love you. I think you're amazing.

I appreciate sharing a birthday with you. We'll have to trade numbers. Yes, we have to. Absolutely. And you can't take it back because it's on camera. I know. So it's on the record. Just so you guys know.

I know. I'm used to it. I think you're fucking incredible. I can't wait to continue watching you soar to all the newest heights and all the amazing things you want to conquer and win a Tony. Can't wait for that.

I think you're well on your way. To the universe's ears, honestly. And that being said, oh, go ahead, go ahead. I just want to wish you all the best in your Broadway endeavors too. Oh my God, thank you. There are plenty of roles that you don't need to sing for.

And when you see me with a little goatee and a low pony, act cool. Everyone is cool. And no, we did it here. I will be front row and sitter. You're going to be on stage door? Because I'll be responsible for it. I'll have to put my money where in my mouth is.

That's why I said you'll be at the stage door for me. When I come out, Justice Hamilton. One woman show for a one woman audience. Just you and me in the theater and the energy's electric. I can't wait. for it. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I think you're amazing for maybe the two straight people that watch me and don't know you. Where can everybody find you? Oh, jinksmonsoon.com. That's J-I-N-K-X. Yes. I made it difficult for no reason. Monsoon, like the natural disaster.

And I will be playing Judy Garland in End of the Rainbow. Yes. Off West End at the Soho walthing thumb. I can never pronounce the theater's name correctly, but you can Google it. And it's going to be a lovely production this summer in the UK. Oh, I can't wait. I'm so excited.

Oh, and jinks andela.com for the annual holiday tour that we do through the U.S. in Canada. Period. A busy girl. Wearing many hats. Better busy than dead, right? Yeah, amen. Busy and high. Thank you all so much for tuning into this episode

of the comment section show. Everyone, make sure to go straight people, the two that watch me, make sure you're also following Jinks and everything and tune into everything she's doing. Obviously, I called the Tony Win First, so everyone has that record now. We all are a prize to the information.

Thank you all so much for tuning in. Don't forget, new episodes of the comment section, drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio and all streaming channels, but the video lists for free and exclusively on Spotify. Thank you so much to my amazing guest, Jinks Monsoon.

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