The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - REJECTION IS MISDIRECTION Ft. D'arcy Carden | Episode 230

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

D'arcy Carden is here this week!! Drew and D'arcy talk about her new show The Five Star Weekend, watching bad improv, proposal stories, being Bill Hader’s nanny, spontaneous musical comedy on a tour bus in NYC, the story behind the apostrophe in D'arcy's name, and so much more.All eight episodes of The Five-Star Weekend are available now on PeacockFollow D'arcy: https://www.instagram.com/darcycarden/Follow Drew:https://www.tiktok.com/@drewafualo on TikTokhttps://www.instagram.com/drewafualo on InstagramFollow the show:https://www.tiktok.com/@thecommentsection on TikTokhttps://www.instagram.com/thecommentsection/ on Instagram Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

I don't really know signs, but let me just remember. Virgo is what? February? No. No. You're actually so far off. You guys all giggled. I love it. Welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me, your pave. Everybody knows me. Who cares about me. On to the guests.

Today we have the iconic, the legendary, the hilarious, the multifaceted and talented. Darcy Carta. Woo! Hi. Oh, my goodness. Welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Thank you for coming.

I appreciate that. I'm thrilled to be. with another tall girl. I know you are a tall girl. Oh my gosh. I love that about us. We are. Rare. Rare. Rare. On paper, what does it say how tall you are? Well, I think I'm 5-11. Really? Yeah, is that on paper? Mine's six feet. Yeah. I never hit six. It depends, I think, for me. Like, it depends on who's measuring me and if they have something against me. Yeah. I think. Like a vendetta. Right. But I do, I do love a fellow tall girl. That's how I felt about Lucy. Yeah, Lucy, my tall girl. Right. Trying to keep my shoulders back.

Even with her, I was like, I was telling her, I'm six feet and you're tall. And she was like, really? Because she's 5.11. Yeah. And I was like, yeah. And then she made me stand up again so we could stand up. You always have to kind of do the stand. And she was like, oh, wait, yeah, you are.

No, you are. A hair taller. Yeah. She's 511. Not that it matters, honestly, because I think anyone that sees us is like 6.5. Yeah. About. Yeah.

It's about the same. Yeah, anything over 510. They're like, and you're seven feet tall. Yeah. It is so funny how my aunt is, I think, six feet. But since I've been this tall, which is truly since I was a child. Fucking same. You know, we always do the measure.

We always like, every time I stare, we have to do like butt to butt. And she's definitely funny. That's me to my younger brother. Yeah. Because my older, I'm a middle child. So my older sister is 5'4. Okay. Because my mom is 5'3.

Yeah. But my dad is 6'6. He's going to be 6.6. So it was a real like toss up for all of us. Yeah. So my sister stopped growing in sixth grade. Yeah. I grew four inches from seventh to eighth. For sure the same.

I went from five, four to five, eight in one year. When I came back, they were like, who is this gentleman? New boy. On campus. And so I was five, eight. And then when I went into high school, I was like, that that's enough slices. I don't want to grow anymore. Yeah.

No more. I sort of feel like I was five, ten in like sixth grade. Really? I should look at a picture. I definitely was from, elementary on was always like one of the tallest in my class. Same. But then there was a moment in high school when I was on the basketball team where I wasn't

the tallest girl. There were like three or four girls taller than me. Love that. That's where you got to go. Yeah. You got to seek community. Yes, exactly. I was always the center.

And then I got to high school and I was like, I'm practically a point guard. I'm so small and dating. Yeah, that was, I never played basketball, ironically, even though I was big. And I'm sure everyone's saying what I did play volleyball. You're going to play that. Yeah. So it's the other tall person one. You're going to play this or that.

Yeah. And my main sport was soccer. So that was like when I played soccer, everyone was like, the biggest soccer player I've ever seen in my life. Because soccer players are usually mommy size. Yes. Right. Exactly. Itty, bitty, bitty tiny.

My other sport or my main sport was water polo. T. I tried water polo one time. One time and said not. My mom and dad liked to do this fun thing where they would just come home and be like, you're going to try this sport. And me and my sister were like, why? Yeah. And they're like just in case, you never know. Yeah. So my mom was like, you guys should try water polo. I was like, I don't, I'm like a good swimmer, but like leisurely. I wouldn't say I'm like that kind of good swimmer. Wanting to. Yeah. And then my mom was like too late already signed you up and we're like, okay. So my dad was like looking up things they do in water polo. Right. It's like, I guess. If you're good at soccer, you would be good. I mean, you would know the rules. I guess. It's like above. It's like above water soccer with your hands. Interesting. Yeah. But we were learning like egg beater. Sure. Right. All that to say above the water.

I wasn't treading very well, but they were like, let's go to the, I almost said audition, to the tryout. So when we went to the tryout, they first made us swim a mile, which is like up and back two times, I think. Yeah, like, I don't even know. Don't jump me. Wait, I think, would you say don't jump me? Yeah, I might jump you.

Yeah. I might jump you. I don't think it's two. Well, maybe like an Olympic size or something like that. Yeah, it was an Olympic size pool. A mile? Yeah, that's why I was like, that's a lot of, okay. And again, like I couldn't do it.

obviously I had no training. No. So when I was swimming, at one point I just started walking because I was tall enough to reach. And then they were like, no walking. And I was like, I'm not walking, even though my shoulders are out. And I'm going. Yeah. And then my sister and I did so poorly on that part of the tryout that they sent us home.

Damn. I didn't even get to the water polo. Short-sighted on their end. Because you could get better at swimming. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. But they were probably like, yeah. You were also like, I don't give a fuck.

I know. I was like, oh, thank God. I don't want to do this. No, I actually went home. and it was really sick because I drank too much pool water. Because you're gulping it down. Yeah, my mom was like, was your mouth open the whole time? I go, I don't know, probably.

I can't remember. Yeah. It was, there's like a little learning curve there. Especially because I was like when we started, I had never played before. It's not like a sport that you just sort of like play as a kid the way you would with baseball or basketball or basketball or anything. So, yeah, learning how to do that. But that was, if I could go back in time to your little baby self. I would say it's just soccer above the water with your hands above the water.

That would help me a lot. But this swimming was hard. My team was really good. And like half the girls were amazing swimmers. And the other half were you and me. Which is just like strong. Which is kind of there. Big, big strong athletic.

Yeah. I love that about you. There's not many people in this industry that are athletic. No, that's true. And that's no tea, no shade. It's just the truth. Yeah. Because you kind of had to choose one or the other.

Right. You kind of had to like go, you would take theater or honestly like you're right. You're right, though. I'm with you on that. Yeah. Yeah. In junior high and high school, I really split my time between both. And then when it was time for college, it was like, do I want to go to college for water polo?

And then what? And then what? That's exactly how I felt, too, about my sport. Because I played, I played soccer at a pretty high level since I was like seven. So I was playing travel ball since I was seven. So, like, that was my plan. Yeah. I was like, I'm going to get a soccer scholarship.

I even was telling my friend the other day, I was like, it really got to a point where it was so serious and I was getting recruited so young that I was. I was like, man, this is just my life. Like, I was literally thinking, I'm going to go to college, and then I'm going to make the national team, and then I'm just going to have to play soccer for the rest of my life. Like, that's what I would tell myself. I can already see it. Yeah, but it wasn't in a way that I was excited about. It was more so in a like, man.

Right. Like, as if you were like an electrician and you were just like, this is my lot in life. My dad's an electrician. I'm really an electrician. Yeah. For real. Yeah. Well, I think the athleticism is really cool to hear.

And also, I think, did that help you at all when you were on a league of their own? Yeah, it totally did. Although, you know, it's so funny because, like, I would say half the, I almost just said team, half the cast had played baseball or softball growing up. Okay. Half hadn't at all. And you don't, the viewer wouldn't necessarily know because they could do all the little tricks and everything. Yeah.

But I felt really confident. I mean, Abby Jay, short for Jacobson. Yes. And just in case, for the listener at home. Yeah. We both played softball growing up and Shantay Adams was the, I think, the first person, I don't remember, whatever. The three of us were the first people in the show. Yeah.

And we would practice with a coach, like three times a week leading up to shooting the pilot. And as girls were cast, it was rad. I bet. I was going to say. It was incredible. Yeah. And it was for so long. I can't remember exactly how long.

But actually, now that I think about it, it was like, I want to say like October to February, something insane. Like we, the casting process was so long. The casting process was so long. Good. It's like, were so long? No. That just every time a new girl got cast, she would kind of like come into the team and start practicing with us. And it made it so that.

And then the week leading up to the pilot, we did like a like a, like a, you know, eight hours a day. Like, you know, full on like baseball camp. Yeah. that when we started shooting, it was like we were truly a team. That sounds cheesy, but it was almost like... No, but I love that. I think it's beautiful, especially if you're playing a team. Totally.

It was almost like the acting or like the show was like an afterthought for us. We were almost like, oh shit, we have to memorize our lines. We're like... Girl, don't worry, my ground ball. Yeah, got it. Truly, that was what we were so, so focused on. And then when the show started, you're like, oh, yeah. On the character.

Let's keep the main thing, the main thing. I love, that's like your, like, you see how that's like a really nice version of method acting. Yes, totally. Like, when men do it, they terrorize people. When women do it, they're like, we're playing softball. I was going to say, it doesn't exist for women. Women don't do that shit.

So. Do method acting. They just act. They just show up. I think one of my favorite quotes, who is it from? It's a famous actress. I can't remember who. Cape Ledgette.

It's Cape Ledgett. Probably. It was an older woman and she, oh no, it's Carson Dunst. That's who it is. An older woman. Yeah, I just meant she older than me. older than me. Great, great, yeah, totally, absolutely.

But she's a mom. And she's, yeah, totally. Yeah, totally. She said, someone asked her on a carpet, like, how do you feel about method acting? And, like, have you ever done it? And she was like, I don't have time for that. Should I have kids? Yeah, totally.

Real as fuck. I love that. She's real as fuck. I've had this conversation with many an actress where we're like, we've all worked with method actors and none of them have been female. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

Men need to go somewhere to learn how to empathize with others. Yeah. How to put themselves in other shoes. Right. They have to do something. And they have to make it everybody's problem. Everyone has to suffer in order for me to do it. Whereas women are like, well, I have other things to do so I can't be doing that.

Let me drop into it real quick and pop out of it. Speaking of acting, I do want to know, obviously we talked about you being an athlete before. Obviously leading into your passion of acting. I'm assuming it's passion. It's passion, baby. Obviously. Yeah. And that's why you're doing it so well.

Thank you. But I'm curious, like, what were, like, if you did think about acting when you were younger. Even when you were playing sports, like, what were you envisioning? Did you ever see yourself becoming an actor? Or was it just more of a fun thing? It was like, it was a little bit of both. I really did see myself becoming an actor. And I didn't really know what that looked like. I think because I think I realized I wanted to be an actor when I started seeing like plays, like children's theater. Yeah. I don't think I made the leap that like the movie like the movie I watched was also an actor. Does that make sense? That makes sense. Yeah. So I think for a really, really long time,

It was just theater. And it was like, yeah, it was, I couldn't envision myself on like a TV show. It was like doing theater. Right. That was what an actor was. And it really wasn't until. I wonder when it, when it changed over for me. Definitely like high school.

Yeah. But I started acting when I was a kid, you know, when I was like nine and just a school play here and a school play there. Yeah. But being obsessed and then getting into like children's theater and community theater. Fun. Yeah. And I know you've done your time in improv.

Oh, yeah. To this day. like when people go to San Quentin. Yes, exactly. And every actor I've ever met, or comedian or both. Yeah. They always talk about improv. They're like, God, so cringy.

That being said, I am very proud. Oh, yeah. This is the thing is I'm like maybe the exception that I'm like, it's not cringy. It's fucking great. It's magic. I love it. It's an art form. It is.

It is. I understand. I really understand people like talking shit about it or feeling cringy about it. But a lot of times I'm like, that's because you've seen bad improv, which is rampant. And valid. Yes. Sometimes bad art. Bad art is also valid.

Totally. And to be an audience member watching bad improv is hell on earth. You're so. It's a torturous experience. It's totally because you're like, you're feeling, you're like empathizing with them. You're, it's too intense. You're in the room with them. You're like in their head.

But I feel like watching good improv is like watching a magic trick or watch. I don't know. I think it's incredible. I love it. I love how powerful. passionate you are about it. I love it. When it's good, it's fucking magic. That's true. That's true. And that's just the truth. And that's just true. My younger brother, who's turning 22 this year. He's, oh, just like this year. We're all turning something this year.

Everybody. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. He recently started getting into community theater. Okay. And my mom has been encouraging him forever and he's always been like, nah. And then recently he got approached by someone at the school he goes to to to join community theater. And he was like, This is fucking awesome. He loves it. He loves it. And he was in a production already of high school musical. Okay.

And when he called us, he was like, I think I'm going to go out for the big roles. I was like, fuck it, dude. You got it. Yeah. And then when he did it, he got cast as Troy and also Zeke. Wait. So he was just switching roles. Not in the same shows, but on different days.

Holy shit. I know. He's got a Broadway schedule now doing two shows a night. So he's so good that. Wait, I don't know high school musical, but I kind of do. Is that the two leads? Yeah. Well, Troy is.

is the lead. Right. And then Zeeke's like, I would say like a B-side character. But still. He's like third or four on the call sheet. Damn. Yeah, still. Wow.

And so we went and watched and like I haven't watched community theater and I don't know how long. But we went, we took our whole family. We took all our friends. Like there was literally 20 of us for just him. Right. And then there was maybe in total, maybe 27 people. So we made up a majority of that audience.

That's so cute. Doesn't matter though. Like we were front row. Like we had shirts on. Oh my God. And we watched him and it was the most fun. Like, I had so much fun watching it. Yeah.

And it was funny because at the end, they did this thing at the end where, like, all of them were doing, they were doing, we're all in this together. That's like the very end cap song. And then they kept playing it like again and like looping the chorus so that they could all kind of switch positions and all be in the front. Right. And they kept doing the same dance moves. Okay. And then it would switch again and then they were doing it again. And we were like, okay, so this is about the fourth time.

Right. And then they cut the music and it was just them singing the first parts of each song throughout the entire movie. The end was like 40 minutes. Right. And so when we got in the car, we drove, we were like, wow, that was so fun. And then we were talking, Carrie, my friend Carrie was there too. She goes, there was a point at the end where it did feel unbearable. Right. Was your brother in the car with you?

No. No, no, no. We told him later. Okay, I was going to say, is he hearing the 10%? Yeah, no, he's heard all of this, trust me. Well, you're just sort of like, what's happening now? Yeah, yeah. Do you guys need me for this part?

Yeah. You missed your exit, y'all. Yeah, yeah. Okay, well, third time's a charm, so let's see you hear it again. And that's how I feel about community theater. I'm like, there is points where it feels torturous. I'm sure it's the same with improv. I haven't watched, but I know a good improv show is fun.

It really is. A really good one is fun. It really is. I mean, it's like, I mean, I could get too, like, deep, but like, I really do think that when it's done well, I mean, you know, I came up at you in UCV in New York. Yes. In an era of like, I swear to God, the funniest people, I'm saying this with like my whole ass.

The funniest people on the planet. Right. Like the geniuses. True. Like comedic geniuses. Yeah. And it was like brilliant. Like, you know, watching it when I was a student and then getting to perform.

with the people that I was obsessed with, it was like, I couldn't have been doing anything more exciting or better. Like, it was my favorite thing. It was amazing. Yeah, Amanda described it as your UCB royalty, improv royalty. That's what she said. That was her exact quote that she said to me. It's funny. I mean, like, I have such a love for UCB, and it really, like, gave me everything. Yeah. And I know it had, people have different feelings about it. And depending on, like, when they came through or where i don't know whatever there's different feelings about it and i get it and you know i came up in a time it sounds like the dust bowl or whatever but like when there weren't a lot of women so you know it was like a gal per team if you're lucky yeah and so i kind of came up in a weird moment but it's you know

it got better and i don't know i think it trained me hard you know yeah totally it like gave me some sort of I don't know what. In the trenches. Something. I really do feel like that. Yeah. Well, and that's a beautiful thing, especially in this industry. Right.

I feel like you have to have tough skin. I do too. Especially if you're an improv. Right. Like you were telling me you are. Yeah. Yeah, you got to really not give a fuck. Exactly.

Because sometimes you're going to like die on stage. Right. And that's also okay. You know? Like I definitely. It's all part of the experience. Yeah. I've realized over the years that some of my like best moments, not not for the audience.

Yeah. But for making me who I am was like, bombing, you know, and figuring out why and what that felt like and what I did wrong or whatever. Totally. Or how I could handle it. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. That's also similar to what I hear from my friends who are stand-ups. Like, they're like, a lot of times, like, bombing is part of it. Like, you have to bomb in order to how to know not to. Right. And then it's like, information. Yeah. Information download. Yeah. And sometimes you cry yourself to sleep. But it is like, you know, you learn from it. And you're like, I love the art. I love the art. That's why I'm doing it.

I love the art. Not for validation. Right, right, right. Yeah, really, really, really. So you said in college, that's kind of where you decided, like, hey, I think I'm going to lean into what I love. Yeah, I think it was, like, in high school, the idea of, do I want to go to a school for theater? And therefore, that's what my life will be is kind of where I was at. Or do I want to, like, you know, do something more broad and maybe figure out a different path? Yeah.

I was so dead set on theater. Like, I even did, like, a report about it. almost like the equivalent of like a thesis paper. I don't know. It was called like a, I don't remember. Something as a junior. Something like, whatever the fuck. Some like some big paper that you had to write about like your future and do some research.

And that's when I was like, I want to go to school for theater. This is what I want to do with my life. I don't see anything else. I really don't see anything else. That's tea. It's like lucky and also delusional. It has to be. Right.

Yeah, you have to be a little bit delusional. I've told people that. Yes. And it makes a lot of sense for this especially. Yeah. It's funny because I think of myself as like grounded and level-headed. Yeah. And this is, that is not that.

This is not that. You're so me. Am I? What's your sign? Cap. Oh, interesting. Say happy birthday to me. Yeah.

Oh, happy birthday. This year. Yeah. It passed already, but it'll come back. That's right. That's right. Well, this year's starting today. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you said, Virgo? Yes, for Virgo. Wait, I don't really know signs, but let me just remember. Virgo is what?

February? No. You're actually so far off. You guys all giggled. Virgo. November? Closer September. September.

Yeah. Closer. Yeah, I think. You're September 17. You're so close. September 18. Oh, I couldn't be closer. Oh, my God.

You were so close. I practically had it. I practically had it. That's like, literally, that's how women react. Oh my God, how'd you know that? You're not even right. I'm not even right. But I'm right.

But you're right. The 18th. Are you a January cap? January 4th. Yeah. Okay. I know. I've met quite a few Capricorns in this industry.

Yeah. That align with me greatly on that. Interesting. Because I feel the same way. I was very grounded and level-headed and realistic in my head about my future, but I knew I wanted to be an entertainment. I just personally, I don't think thought, I don't think at the time I thought that theater was an option.

Right. At the time, I was like, well, that's not. not for me because nobody looks like me on the on the TV but like maybe if I went another route so that's why I picked sports like I did sports journalism yeah and because I was like well then I'll get on camera totally and then maybe I'll do like personality stuff and like I did love sports I grew up playing sports so I figured like oh this like makes sense yeah but I never it was the same thing where I was kind of like well I have to think about the future yeah which no one was really doing it was in high school right so I was like what a particular type of brain does that I think so

Yeah, that's interesting. And then did sports journalism, right, which led you on camera. Yes. Well, ish, but yeah. And then that got you, like, basically you were like, I like being on camera. I like, like, yes. Yes, I definitely learned how to talk on camera and I learned how to, like, not feel weird talking to a camera. What a skill.

Yeah. So, like, and I learned how to edit, write, that kind of thing, light, mic, all that kind of stuff. Because it was, like, all underneath the journalism. Right, right. Damn. So then I learned all those skills. I learned like Premiere Pro. I learned like everything, Photoshop, all that stuff.

And then, um, graduated, couldn't get a job. Too hard. Yeah. Eventually got fired. Hired by the NFL. She said fired. And well, then I did get fired. Okay.

Yeah. So that was, that's why I was jumping the gun. So I did eventually get fired by the NFL. Hired and fired. Yes. Yeah, that was like a couple. I would say I graduated from college in 2017. I got fired in 2020.

Oh, damn. Like literally two, maybe three weeks before the COVID. Heartbreaking? Yeah. It was awful. Yeah. And like because I, like I said, I was very realistic about career path. I was like so adamant about sticking to what I committed to and not changing.

I was like, I'm not changing subjects. I'm not changing majors. I'm sticking on this. Focus, focus, focus. Yeah. And I was like, this is going to work out for me. And it's what I. And it did until it didn't.

Until it did. Until it did. Then they changed subjects on you. Right. They said, please leave and never come back. I said, okay. Okay. Goodbye.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, okay. But if I leave, I'm not coming back. And they said, yep, that's what we said. Yes.

That's what we asked for this. So then, but that, of course, you know, one of those things where it's like, and that led you. To posting dipshit videos on TikTok, honestly. It's like you couldn't have gotten here without that. Right. So it all works. All, all rejection is misdirection. It is.

Or redirection. Right. Sorry. Not misdirection. Yeah. That's not an inspiring quote. Rejection is redirection. Misdirection absolutely works.

I wouldn't have even bad at an eye. Yeah. Yeah. They both kind of work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So then I started posting videos on TikTok, but that's, I was only because like my fiancee was, I was feeling very lost and like I didn't know what I was going to do. And I was like, I'd never been fired before. So I was like, what am I supposed to do? And then the world shut down. Totally. And everybody was at home.

Yeah. Like you felt double loss. Yeah. Like I felt super turned around. Like I felt so lost that I did 75 hard. And that's how you know something's fucked up. Wait, you did what? 75 hard.

Have you ever heard of that challenge? No. Don't ever look it up. Don't look it up. Don't look it up. Don't look it. Is it about drinking? No, it's, it's one of those like self-help things.

that you do when you're at your very lowest. It's the let them theory before that. Oh, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, so it's kind of like Caleb, my friend Caleb has likened it. Right, he's likened it to the artist's way, that book. Yeah. It's the same thing. Okay. So it's like when you're doing that, it's like, let me check in on you a little bit more.

Are you all right? Yeah. You sure? I have another, not theory, but I'll just say theory about you, which is that you probably had never been fired from anything before. Like you are not the person who gets fired. You're the person who leaves. Yes.

I would think about you. Yes, always. I think that you're probably the person that's like, I want to do this thing. And people are like, yay, you can do it. Yeah. You're like, okay. And then so something like a firing. I mean, yeah.

Yeah. A firing for like an overachiever, like, well-liked person can really rock your ass, you know? You said it's a certain. It just like turned your world upside out. Yeah, absolutely. It was one of those. And I think it's because like what I think at the time, especially, I really took a lot of confidence in stock in. was my accomplishment.

And how accomplished I was at such a young age, like accomplishing everything I've ever said I was going to. Like it was like this big. And a lot of it's hubris, I think, too, by that measure. But like, it was one of those things where I was like, this is what makes me me? If I don't have this, when am I? So what does that say about me?

But then also, again, like, I mean, I'm sure there's, we could like, there's some like Greek tragedy or whatever that where hubris is like the whole thing where it's like, yeah, you need to have the firing in order to like become who you are. For real. Yeah. And I have like perspective. Yeah.

It almost felt like I had my Saturn return like a little bit early. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I had that about three or four years early. And I totally know what Saturn return is. You should. I know. I'm like, is that a scissors song? You work with enough lesbians.

Yeah. Saturn Return. Saturn Return. Saturn. Yeah. And astrology, you got to brush up on both. I do. I totally do. It's Saturn Return typically happens.

I believe someone will jump me or correct me if I'm wrong, but it's around 27. 28. That's like a normally, just like a big change. Something like you have what feels like the worst year of your life. Interesting. Just you cannot get up. Like the universe will not let you get up. Everything horrible happens. Damn.

So in 2020, that's when I got fired. COVID happened. I got COVID. I almost broke up with my man. It was like the worst year ever in the history of time. Yeah. So I felt like I got mine a little bit early. Yeah, you did.

I did. Get it out of the way. Did you have a really life changing moment like that in your 20s? Did I have a life-changing moment? I think my 20s I spent in New York. It was like the best of times and the worst of times. Like it was so fun, but I was like so poor. Yeah.

And just struggling actor-ass life. Like just it was a mix of things because I was, things were going well at UCB, although not immediately. Yeah. You know, auditioning and not getting it or whatever. Right. but then kind of like redirecting my goals to be fully UCV encompassing, which, you know, I moved to New York to be on Broadway and to be an actor.

And then all of a sudden my, like, vision got very narrow to just UCB. So I had like ups and downs in there, but I don't know what my Saturn return. If anything, maybe that's a good thing. Wow. Or maybe the whole experience of trying to make it as an actor was your Saturday. Yeah. My 20s. Your whole 20s. Yeah.

I've joked about that with people not because I turned 30 last year. Yeah, me too. like in my... Nope, she laughed. You were making it. I was. You're not same same, same. Yeah, yeah.

Just kind of. But when I turned 30, I, like, I felt more myself. I feel like my 30s are the fucking best years ever. Yeah. Also, now that I'm 30, I'm like, resetting. So I'm like, I'm 30. Yeah, totally. To everyone who's older, I'm like, well, I just turned 30.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas when I was 29, I felt like I was hanging on. Yeah, 29 is weird. Yeah, it was a very strange age. I, I, I joke. often that I was like I wish I could jump from 28 to 30 yes I don't need 29 that that's fucking stupid ass age I don't need that shit you know it's funny is I felt like that and you said fiancee earlier I felt like that about fiancee the word fiance I was like I

wish I could go from like boyfriend to husband fiance felt like I was like always embarrassed to that's why I felt saying boyfriend yeah yeah but I think it's because I was with my man before we got engaged for seven years yeah yeah yeah which like if you tell anyone under 22 that they're like oh my god that's a thousand years. Right, right, right. But I was like, it's a good thing you don't get married right away. Yeah, there's a reason.

Yeah. When I'm 23. Seven years is a great amount of time or whatever it was. Yeah, it was seven before we got engaged. Yeah. So we got engaged our seventh year. Now, next year will be 10 years. Cool.

And like my parents, too, like my parents, my mom jokes that they did everything backwards because my parents had kids first and then they moved in together. Then they got married. So, like, they did everything backwards. And my mom, my mom was with my dad, had two children and got married, like, before she got married and like lived together before they got married right right because my mom's whole thing was like I want you to marry me because you want to marry me not because we have kids totally so like I have always had a very different viewpoint of marriage yeah like I've always been like well that's a choice

like you guys choose to be together forever so like I'm gonna wait to choose yeah because what if we get to year four and you suck right no I think that's really smart yeah jumping into it I know it's like you know when you know and all that stuff but just the like living together right and being in each other's lives and also, you know, seven years, 10 years, you see like a change, you know, people change. Yes, exactly. And if it's like, are we changing together? Are we changing apart? Yes, exactly. I mean, I would, I would vote for seven to 10 years. That's what I'm saying. Well, it's also, like you said, if you know, you know, well, if you know, what's the rush? Well, that's the other thing. That's how we were, my husband and I were. Yeah. We were sort of like, well, we're going to be

together forever, but we don't need to get married. And then that was sort of the thing that made us want to get married. Right. Yeah. But we were both like, well, we don't really believe in marriage so let's just do it you're literally so me really yeah it was exactly the same way I felt very I didn't feel averse to marriage at all it just didn't feel like something I was gunning for same same it felt very like well yeah I mean if it makes sense yeah yeah and then honestly after I I got that out of the way I was like well I could see for sure I want to marry you yeah and even like with him like when we first started dating he he he had said before like I don't think I ever want to get married and I don't want kids yeah and then when he started dating me he was like I definitely want to get married I'm still kind of

unsure about the kids right um But now, like, we don't want children. Yeah. And we decided that in 2020, if you can believe, once again, one of the worst years of my life. But that was, like, another thing that we went through. Yeah. But that was when we decided. And then at that point, even less so, time means nothing.

Totally. At that point. Like, because if you were thinking about biological clock, that's one thing. But again, like, you don't need to get married. Yeah. You don't need to. I have, like, this sort of specific memory of us walking. We were, like, on a long walk in New York.

We'd, like, seen a movie and we were taking a long walk home. And it was sort of like an. Admittance, I'm maybe making that word up, of like, well, I don't really believe in it. Like, I don't think I almost like, I think it's bullshit. We're like signing a paper and like shaking hands and saying like forever. And we were, we sort of like said that to each other like, do you like, that's how I feel. I know I shouldn't feel like that, but that's how I feel. And he was like, I feel the same way.

And truly it was like, that was the thing that. I guess this is my guy. Isn't that funny? Yeah. No, you're so real though, because that that was one of those. things too we had this issue with kids too well issue is a strong word for it but we both had this fear I guess where it's like I know I think I know how I feel now that it's gotten this serious yeah but I'm a little afraid to bring it up just in case our answers don't align yeah

totally so that's how we felt about both of those subjects like but then once we talked through marriage we're like well yeah like I mean as long as it's not done in a very like I guess like western colonial way then like yeah I could see myself doing that for sure and that's kind of a thing. Yeah. That's what I think we also realize is like you can make it your own. Right. It's nobody's but your own.

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Okay, love you, bye. When I had posted about getting engaged, like, you would think after all the years I've been like fucking up, man. And then like just saying like, oh, your fucking boyfriend so unlucky, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, okay, no, for sure. Yeah. When I got engaged, because they were like, he's never going to marry you. I got engaged, all of a sudden it turned into something else entirely, which is like,

oh, that's a shut up ring. Yeah. And I was like, you don't give those. well they don't look like this. As soon as I walked in, I was like, I was like, I don't think shut up rings. You would know that. You would, he's not, I mean, I've never met him,

but I just even knowing you in this little moment, like you don't, that's not who you would be with. No, absolutely not. And I also think like, I'm like, you're not even, well, this, I guess, speaks to the misogyny of it all at large, but it's like, you're not even factoring my choice. Yeah. We're not, we haven't gotten married because go ahead,

ask me why. I didn't want to get married. Exactly. You're not waiting for something. Yeah, I was like, I did not want to get married. And he has told me whenever you're ready, you let me know. And then the seventh year, I didn't know and we didn't talk about it. But in my head, I was like, I feel like this is the year.

And that was just like because my book had come out. Like my career's never been better at the time. It's even better now. And like we were like so settled and ready. So it just kind of, it's like we both knew. Yeah. And then he just kind of did it. And he was like, I can't wait anymore.

I think I need to marry you. Yeah. And I was like, period. That's how you said it. You're like, period. Yeah, I said period. No, I was honestly so a blubbering mess and it was like honestly really annoying. A lot of people were like, did you guys record it?

And I was like, no. And when he had set it up, because I was so surprised, when he had set it up at the place we were at, like no one was there, which is what I preferred. I wanted to be alone to be insane however I felt after. But they were like, do you have video? And even at the hotel, they were like, oh, we can have someone take pictures in video or whatever. And he was like, she would hate that.

So no. And I was like, then it's just mine. Yeah. The memory just belongs to me. Yeah, exactly. What about yours? Was yours romantic? Ours, yeah, I mean, it was romantic, but it was like, I don't really like romantic things.

You and me both, girl. That's what I said. He played it exactly the way I needed it. Private. It was like our kind of romantic. Yeah. He, like, I'm from the Bay Area, and he had said something. He, like, did, like, a bit of a long game with it.

Like, we were going to visit home, and he had said something months. about like when we go visit your family we never go to San Francisco we always like stay in the East Bay and I looked up literally like army barracks or something in like the mountains of San Francisco that I want to check out and I was like sure we like not really even talking it right just like yeah whatever next time we'll go on a little road trip

or whatever so it was already planted in a way where when we were visiting my family he's like I want to go check out those army barracks and I'm like okay okay nerd yeah exactly I'll let him have this And we went, we sort of like, I think it's called like the Marin Headlands or something I might be wrong, but it's like, oh, these beautiful cliffs overlooking the Golden Gate Bridge. And there were like these barracks there. So I didn't even, I just didn't even know. No, yeah.

But I did say something like, if you don't have a ring in your pocket, you're an idiot. The only because the view was like, it was like so romantic. So beautiful. Yeah, yeah. That I was almost like, oh, well, this is where you. You knew it. Dumbass. But I did not, I would never have said that if I thought he did have that. Yeah.

So then we were like, you know, having a nice little time on the overlooking, looking at a view and everything. And then when he proposed, like the first thing I said was like, fuck, why did I say that thing about the ring? I ruin everything. I always run everything. It's funny you say that because the night that I got proposed to right before, because he did it in the hotel room that we had.

And it wasn't weird because I, and I didn't think I was getting proposed to I planned the getaway because I was on tour during our anniversary. So this was like, he was with me on tour. And so this was a makeup for it. So I planned the whole weekend. So obviously I knew what was happening. So I didn't think anything would happen, which worked perfectly. But like we did this like, what's the, what do you call it when you do? Omicasse. That's what it is. So we went to an Omicasse restaurant like the night of. And it's like, you know, Omicassee is like real intimate. So there's only like eight people. Yeah. And the sushi chef was like the host of the night. And the night. And the sushi chef was like the host of night and he was like serving us and explaining everything whatever and we got there like a couple

minutes late so everyone had gotten their first course he's like oh let me see you guys up but because we were a couple minutes late he was like asking us questions in front of everyone and he was like oh you guys celebrate you guys are celebrating something and we're like oh yeah we're celebrating anniversary and he's like oh how many years and I said seven he goes oh you've been married seven years I was like oh no we're not married um not yet right I was like we're not married and then he was like really seven years not married and I think he was like trying to be funny and I was like, oh, sushi chef has jokes. Totally.

Oh, sushi chef's working at type five. Love that. Get back to the omacase. Thanks. Slice my fit. Yeah, I was like, let's get back to the, let's keep the main thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, and then he was like, oh, well, like making a razzing kind of joke.

And I was like, no. I love this. Yeah. And then he, like, he moved on. And I remember, like, he moved on. And then to my, man, I went, fuck that guy, right? I was like, we'll get married one. We're ready.

Yeah, exactly. And at one point, too, I was like, they're, was, I think his phone flashlight was on, like, accidentally. And I was like, oh, I think there's like a light, like in your bag. And he goes, what? Like, that's what he said. He was like, what? And I was like,

there's a light. I think your iPhone light is on. And he was like, oh, yes. And I remember that happening and thinking, the hell's your problem. What is wrong with you? Right? And then I realized that after he proposed to me, the ring box, he had a huge light in it. Oh, my God. So he said, like, sometimes if it cracked even a little

the light would be on, and I thought it was beaming out of my bag and I was like, you saw it. But I was like, no, you're, but when he went, what? I was, what is wrong with you? Oh, yes, you are correct. Yeah, and I was like, and he was like, oh, right, yes. Yeah, you're like, I want to leave. Yeah, you're like, the vibe is off.

I know we get into a fight. Yeah, exactly. Even when we left, I was kind of drunk and like when we left, I was like, woo. And then he was like, do you want to go for a walk? It was like 10 p.m. Yeah. And we were on the coast, like, in a beach town.

So it was like pitch black outside. And I was like, it was kind of dark outside. And he was like, okay, so I know, walk? And I was like, well, it's kind of dark outside. He was like, all right, let's go to the room. Yeah. And then I realized that when we got to the room, there was like flowers everywhere, and even then my dumb ass was like, oh, wow, like that's so beautiful.

Because, and this makes me sound like a dick, I'm prefacing it now. He does things like that all the time. Right, right, right. Constantly. So, like, it would ring nothing crazy to me at all. I was like, wow, like, that's so nice. I was like, wow, that's so beautiful. And then I turned around and he was on one knee.

And I was like, what are you doing? That's all I said. It's so funny. I have this similar thing, which is like, and it's, I guess I would preface it with the same thing, where Jason was like, we were looking at this view and he was saying all this nice, beautiful stuff about me and our relationship. And I still didn't clock it. Because I'm like, he would say that.

Right. That's what he would say. Obviously. I'm a delight. Obviously. So it was the same thing where I didn't clock it until it was like down on one knee. And then I was like, what the fuck? Right, me too.

I literally said, what are you doing for about two minutes? Same. I covered it. I couldn't look at it. Me too. I swear to God, I'm not making that up. I literally, I told them, I said, I can't even look. I can't even look at it.

I can't even look. And then when I looked, I was like, oh my God, I can't, I can't. And then when he's like, can I, it was funny because I was doing that weird babbling shit for so long. And he was just letting me do it. And then after, when there was a break finally, he was like, can I say what I was going to say? And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah, go ahead. And then he said everything to me, and that made me cry. And then I was like, he was like, okay. And he like, and he like showed it to me. And I was like, I can't, I can't, I can't. And then he was like, can I put it on your finger? And I was like, yes, yes, of course.

And then when he put it on, I literally couldn't look at it. I was like, I can't look at it. It's like overwhelming me. It is wild. It's like, it's like surreal a little bit. Yeah. And I think even for you and me type of girls, which is like not maybe dreaming of that our lives, it's still.

it's still a little bit like, oh, I've seen this in movies. I know this moment. Yes, exactly. And I was like, and I think, and maybe you felt this way too, I think part of me was like, well, I'm going to be able to tell. Yeah, right, right. Like I was like, obviously, I'm extremely perceptive and smart. I'm going to be able to tell.

And it caught me so off guard. We, I so didn't know that, okay, he had gotten the ring or I should actually, God, if I must tell you, he made the ring. So did my. I'm going to. That's what I'm saying. What the hell? Same. Same. Made it. Yeah. Wow. It took like six months or something. He was telling me.

That's so funny. I don't really think I know anyone else. What if we were married to the same guy? We like show a picture and we're like, have you seen this man? Yeah. But he taped it. Okay, so we made it and then taped it under a bookshelf. Okay. Does this make sense? A bookshelf that had like a little opening at the bottom. Yeah. Taped it under for months. And I didn't know. That's so smart. And also during that time, we got robbed. Oh my God.

We lived on like the fifth floor of a hell's kitchen apartment and someone came in from the roof. Oh my God. Came in through the window. Robbed us blind, which is nothing because we were so poor. There was like nothing worth taking. They were like, man, this house sucks. Yeah. Other than like a diamond ring taped under which they didn't know about.

Thank God. I know. That is so funny. Yeah, he made the ring too for us. Like he built it from scratch with a jeweler that his family has worked with before. and he was like yeah I was going to like months of appointments and he like I was so confused because he had told me how long it took and I was like and he told me he went to my parents house which is even crazier because like I know my parents have a ring I'm like attached to it so I was like what

like he just planned it all so that I was gone completely every single time and he could do all of it and as like tell my parents and everything like that so it was like truly like he got my ass totally it is it's like a shocking thing when you're like um real partners with someone where you're like, I know you, I trust you, right. You don't lie to each other. Right. To be like, oh, you lied to me. Yeah.

Oh, so you can lie. Oh, okay. First lie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's funny because right before, I think the week before he proposed to me, um, we were talking about, I forget what we were talking about, but I saw like, do you know, twa-moa rings? Hmm.

It's like two rings. It's basically like two, two diamonds or like two different shaped things and they basically fuse them together. So they sit like side by side. Tuamois, right? And I only know that because I was like, have ever heard of this kind of ring design? This is crazy.

And then he was like, no, I've never heard of that. I was like, oh, it looks really pretty. I didn't say for me, I never looked up rings. I didn't even know shapes, nothing, especially at the time. So I just said it in passing. And then he was like for the last, actually it was like a few weeks before. He's like for the last like two, three weeks, I have been staring at this ring thinking you're going to hate it.

I was like, oh my God, oh my God. Because I brought up a Tuamuan. He's like, I text the jeweler and they were like, it's going to take another. three months and I was like no I want to propose now and he's like so if you hate it like I can change it and I was like I don't hate it and I would be the dumbest bitch alive if I did yeah totally I would be the craziest person alive but that's crazy we have two thoughtful men I love that for us like for two girls that don't give a shit about weddings or rings we're talking about it an awful

lot well now I've earned the right yeah nothing's gonna make me care quite like getting a beautiful one I know I know I know but we will circle back to you and your illustrious career because that's more important. I'm good. But I want to talk about your new show. Five Star Weekend. The five star weekend, I will say. And I would love to know what you are really excited about for this show.

Like, what are you excited for people to gain or watch or consume? Okay. I'm going to tell you who's in it. Yes, please do. I have a cast. Okay, I'll even tell you. You tell me. Because I know it so well.

You know. Yeah. So it's starring Jennifer Garner. Yes. And she is, her character has just suffered a devastating loss for husband died. and it's in the trailer. I didn't like to spoil anything. Not a spoiler. Right, right.

And she invites a friend from each, her best friend from each era of her life. Okay, T. Her childhood best friend is Chloe 70. Her college best friend is Regina Hall. I'm like her sort of mom era best friend. And then her new best friend is Gemma Chan. And she's having us all into her like Nantucket Summerhouse for a girls weekend. And she gets wild.

And shit gets wild. You know, like, I mean, if you think about the reality of what that would be like, like inviting your sort of four best friends from different areas of your life that maybe don't know each other, or maybe have preconceived notions of each other or met at, like, a random wedding or whatever. Yeah, like the most random place. It might not be a great vibe, you know? Like, it might be really uncomfortable. And so there's, you know, where the whole show takes place over the course of, like, a sort of three, four day weekend.

Tea. And I just fell in love with those women. These are like four unbelievably accomplished amazing actresses that I'm like obsessed with and I've been obsessed with. Right. And then to get to like spend the whole, you know, last summer with them shooting this. And we shot mostly in L.A., but we spent a month in Nantucket shooting. I mean, it was just too good. Yeah.

And I was the last one cast, so I had heard about the project already. It was one of those ones where I was like, I can't wait to watch this. Oh my gosh, me. I know. That's so cool. It just, it really, you know, I think, let's see, five actresses in a show, five like lead actresses in a show could get like a little hairy. One bad egg would like really spoil the dozen. I don't know what the saying is.

But this was like a, the chemistry was like absolutely perfect. That's so nice. Nobody had worked together before. Nobody really knew each other. We just bonded quickly. And like something happened. We just like became, I don't know, we like got deep and open really fast and it was like incredible. It was incredible.

Only women can do that. I know. I'm telling you. I would come home and like sit on the bed telling my, Jason, my husband about the day. Like a, like a brerr-r-r-r-r-r-r-d-and- then I'm like, I'm in love with these men. I am obsessed with them. I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm in love. Yeah, I'm in love.

And I don't care who knows it. Yeah, that was really great. That's so incredible. And like did you, obviously you said you've like, you love these actresses and obviously they're extremely well decorated and accomplished. Like did you find yourself like learning anything from them, teaching anything to them? Like how was that? Like was the environment collaborative like that? Mostly me teaching them. Yeah. I would say they need help. All the help they can get. No, it was, yeah, it was definitely like it was, yeah, it was one of those situations where I couldn't learn enough. You know what I mean? Like the way they interact with. each other the crew the way they carry themselves the it was like a um jen in particular you know she's number one on the call she she's a producer on the show yeah she's like so caring and generous and thoughtful and it really trickled down and the other women are the same but like she really set the tone for the entire show and crew and it was just like a it there was something up it was like a it was

just a warm it felt it just was really special it was really fast and like it just felt I feel like we throw like it was a family around a little too much because it's like no it's not but it was just like everybody just but this one for sure you can tell you just like had each other's back

yeah and they're just like the utmost professional women that have been doing this shit for a long time like Chloe's been acting since she was like an early teenage I mean these are like these are women that have been through it and I yeah just I just was there a lot of improv there was a little improv I'm curious to know if there was you know I try to like keep it like it's the wolf inside you yeah yeah you're like I don't you know I've definitely been on sets where you know improv is encouraged or where maybe an actor's like

you can kind of feel like I can't wait to get my improv out or whatever and I'm I don't want that. I don't want to be that. I don't like I really wait for my cue if that makes sense. Cue meaning like from the director or the other actors that like that would be welcome to you know that makes sense because sometimes it's like okay great you said a funny thing like that's not going to actually help let's stick to what's on script yeah but I think we only have about three more hours of light so let's get in there yeah exactly oh where'd you go um come on up um but I think my character Brooke she's so awkward and she's So, like, she's the last one.

She's sort of like, can't believe she got invited. She can't believe her luck. Yeah. Like, she gets to be on this amazing weekend with these amazing women. And she's so not worthy. And so I think that did, like, lean into a lot of the comedy. So I kind of got to play a little bit. Yeah.

And it was really fun. I'm taking all the notes because I'm venturing into acting now. I'm trying my hardest. I do have an acting coach. Yeah. but I will ask, I've been asking a lot of my fellow tall girls, and there are not many. I know. About your height.

Is it playing against you when you do auditions? Okay, this is a great question. I mean, it's a great question because I'm like, I got to be real with you. Like, I don't think it's helping. Yeah, that's what I think. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm always thinking I'm like never factoring talent. It's obviously not that.

It has to be my height. Right. Right, right, right, totally, totally. That's what I'm telling myself. You know, I think it could be anything. It could be like, it really could. It's like, we're. you know, depending on the role, depending on the whatever, we're not blonde, we're not whatever

the fuck we don't have, like, I don't know what, whatever it's calling for. Yeah, totally. I'm not auditioning for a ton of roles that are like six feet tall or whatever. I don't know that it's, I think, I don't know. Yeah, it's a big question mark. But I don't think it's, I mean, it's definitely not an asset. Right. But I think it's like maybe a reason to even, you know, like, excuse me, I'm just kidding. Right in the middle of my thought. No, I don't. I'm kidding.

But like, you know, you saying that you're working with an acting coach, things like that. And like, all that stuff is all you need to worry about. That's true. Yeah. Like, you put in the work. You get good at what you're trying to do. Yeah. You have the personality.

You have the looks. Like you have all of that. And so much of it is that. Like so much of it is like your vibe, your aura. Yeah, that's true. Your like brightness, your shininess. Yeah. Sparkle or whatever.

Yeah. So I would say like, I don't, I could also just lie and be like, it's not an issue at all. I think I'm, if I'm ever in a scene with a man, I'm almost always taller than him. Right. Me too. We're kind of taking some heels off sometimes, popping a hip out or whatever. Cheating it. Yeah, but also it's okay.

And maybe now better than ever, I don't know. It's like, you know, all everything. They just got to cast me opposite Jacob Lorty. He'll always be taller than me. Totally. You look wee. You too. Yeah.

Yeah, I'll look so tiny. I'll be like Sabrina Carpenter, tiny. You know what I mean? Come on up here. Yeah. But I mean, you know, it's, I feel like I've been lucky to work. I don't, I can't think of anyone that I've worked with that it's been an issue for. Like any man I worked with where they're like, um, upset or anything, you know.

That's good to know. Yeah. That's good to hear. Because everybody, and you know this better than I do, I'm sure. Everybody's itty bitty. Tiny. Tiny. Everybody is tiny as hell.

Yeah. That's why every room I go into, I feel like in. an NBA player. I know, I know. This is like a kind of tall cast. Gemma's tall, Jen's tall, Chloe's tall and we're taller than her, so she's always like, what the hell? Right. But I mean, tall meaning like five, six, five seven, you know. Yeah, which is still enormous for Hollywood. Yeah. But it's okay. And I think, you know, also we're more likely doing comedy. Yes. And I think it's just like more open. Yeah, that's true. Like, not to say, not to say at all truly,

that you're not going to be the romantic lead because you are. Yeah. I'm just going to play the boy. No, but you're not. You're not. Just kidding. I know. I mean, like, that's the thing is, like, you're gorgeous.

Thank you. Tall is a huge part of that. Yeah. Wow. I know it's hard for us. I know it's hard. Yeah. You go through phases of, like, owning it and wishing you weren't.

And, you know, like, I remember a time in high school where I was like, if I could take a saw and, like, cut the, you know, like, just, if I could just be 5, 5. And then I owned it. And then, like, I go through phases of loving it and not loving it. But I think the older I get the more on like this way. Yeah, I feel, I agree. And I feel like they have more than enough Apple boxes. They can easily put men on top of things if they need.

I also find it strange that tininess for men specifically is also a good thing. Like, even when I asked my acting coach, I was like, should I start lying about my heighten slates? And then he was like, no, but he's like, if you do, like, it should be like one inch. It should not be. I was like, you don't think I should hit him with a 5-7? Yeah. And he was like, you show up on set. Yeah. Fee, five, full, fum, for real.

I mean, the actress that works more than any actress in Hollywood, right, Nicole couldn't. She is 511. That's so true. Yeah. And we look a lot of like, so that would easily. All three of us, you could never tell the difference. I know.

Between all three of us. We're doing some sort of. I just need to dye my hair red. That's what we need to do. And then I'll start taking her rolls. She needs dire hair brown. That's true. I really like I don't I'm not like afraid of it necessarily but I'm like and this is part of my delusion where I'm like it's definitely not talented it has to be that but I feel pretty confident that I'm like I think if I just like get in there and do a good enough job I'm sure it won't matter it is that is actually true you know that's what I keep telling myself but that is actually the true yeah yeah yeah I know you know this but like you're going to hear 5,000 no right and then you get a yes and it's sucks and it sucks.

that that is the like the what the the ratio yes it makes no sense like how are we still doing this right but you just kind of get used to it and I'm sure you know I don't know how when you say you're like dipping your toe into acting like I don't know how much you've been doing as far as auditioning and stuff but it really lots of tapes yeah lots of tapes lots of tapes I think my advice would be do it and like flush it down the toilet of your mind that's good point yeah let release it release like the second you're done it's like it's gone. Yeah.

And then if you hear about it again, that's because you've got a callback. Yeah, if it's meant to be, it'll be. But there, but, you know, try not to like put too much, I don't know, like energy into the the outcome. Right. I think that's such a good reminder too because I feel like, especially with art, like, that is one of those things where I feel like I have to check in sometimes and I'm like, the point of art is to make it, right, or to be in it, not to be rewarded for it or to be validated

in it. Yeah. So it's like the point of art is to create and then if it works out, it works out, right? But if not at least I'm still doing something. Yes. I, this is like not exactly the same thing because we're talking about auditioning and I'm like jumping to being on something. But I realized that recently or lately, I guess, that like the outcome, the show, the movie is not actually my, what I don't, I almost don't care. Yeah, once it's out.

I love doing the thing. That's such a good point. I love the day to day. Yeah. And the thing comes out of year. or two later and like if people like it great if they don't great yeah but i i almost don't care and i'm like i want to work that's such a good way of looking at it it's almost you can do it with auditions too yeah like you know on my best days when i'm like not being a shithead about auditions i'm like

i get the opportunity to act today for real i'm gonna like show them a little gift i have you know and when i'm like really being positive about it yeah that way and it's like who cares about the outcome yeah do this thing right no that's a really really good way of looking at especially like Like that helps you. I feel like I'm sure enjoy the process more. Because the process is grueling. It's like, what is this? Yeah.

Just being punched on. Yeah. Just being beat up for however long. I was, and that speaking of, I was going to ask like, what was the first role you got where you were kind of like, oh my God, I can't believe it. Yeah. It works. Totally. The auditioning works.

I think, you know, I got to be on Broad City. Yes. Which was incredible. Yeah. And we've had a lot on and we love her. Yeah. We love her. And the thing about that was that I came up with them at UCB.

So it was like they like rewarded me with that. That wasn't an audition. That was just like the nicest thing. Well, thank God you're fucking talented. Worked out. They kind of like populated their cast with just all the people that they had come up with, which was amazing. And they saw your your enormous potential, obviously. It truly was like life changing.

Yeah. But that one, you know, you have a little bit almost like a little bit of like Nepo feel. They were like, well, they just put me in it because we're friends. So auditioning and getting called back and then called back and testing for the good place really felt like I had. Also, I didn't know that I didn't know Mike Scher, the creator. I mean, I was like a huge fan of him, but it's not like we'd work together before or came up together or anything. So that one felt like, holy shit, I did it. Yeah.

And it was, I don't know. It was like one of a million auditions. Right. But there was something. I mean, the writing was genius. And it was like, I knew it was Ted Dansman. I knew it was Kristen Bell and I, it was like such a dream. I can't explain this enough.

There was no world in which I was going to book it, but I was like so excited to audition for him. Yeah, totally. I really am not even being like hooy or humble. Yes, I'm not. Like there wasn't even like a maybe this one. It was like, I'm not going to get it. But I had this feeling where I was like, I got to make him laugh in the audition. Yeah.

He's going to remember me. He's going to make me. a bus driver of season three episode two scene five or whatever like i just like i want to be in his like roll-a-dex of hell yeah yeah yeah anyway um but then it just like kept going well and i would leave the auditions being like huh well wait well keep killing it right like that couldn't have felt better i'm it's not gonna be me but like great that's what it feels that's what like a good audition feels like you're just like me am i i do the same shit yeah yeah like for a lot of things i'm like well yeah i guess we'll see

But I'm also like what you were talking about about making an impression That's been a lot of my with a lot of shit I've done I've been like well I just need to get in front of them And when I get in front of them good luck trying not to love me Which is why a self-shape is hell because you just want to get in the room That's literally I'm like you guys see me in person then maybe you know it'll translate better It's really an issue and even like sometimes when I if I have like talks with like other actors like yourself like who I've been doing it for a while or I interview someone on like carpets or something or even have a general they'll be like are you acting like and I go yeah do you know anyone I was like I'm in a who want me face so go ahead let me know

you let me know when you need me I know but I'm taking notes from you okay that's for sure well I'm I'm old so I got I got things to say but like you know it's it's it's like a waiting game and it's you know you got to love it and put in the time and right you're doing everything right you know thank you Really. Thank you. And then just something clicks. Like some, it's like, it's out of your hands. You just have to do everything you can to be, to put your best shit forward. Right.

Which is what you're doing. Yeah. And then all it takes is somebody being like, yeah. That's true. And I think telling myself too that it's subjective and it's really just up to them like what they're looking for, what they envision. That kind of thing. All of that is playing a huge role in it. That also kind of helped me too.

Yeah. thinking about it through that lens because I'm like, well, then it's just not what I'm, what they're looking for. Not necessarily I suck. Totally. Right. And the other thing I want to say just to like circle back to this is don't get in your head about the height thing.

Because it's going to be the thing that gets you the thing. Yeah, that's a good point because that that has been like haunting me a little bit, especially when I have to do my slate. I know. Every time I have to. Why do you got to make me say it? I was like, what do you need that shit for? Yeah, yeah, totally.

Just bring me in. Yes. It's okay. Let me do it. Ask the other person. Yeah. Ask them if they're tall enough. How's that?

Don't get in your head about that. Thank you. Yeah. That's just another thing that's like outside of your control and it's going to be the gift for some other role. They're going to make me be the stunt double for the rock. That's what I've been saying. They're going to make me stand in for him. And hey, I'll take it.

I'm not being picky. What about his daughter? You should. That's true. His daughter and something? I don't know. He calls me sis all the time. I'm like, sis and sister.

That's who you are compared to me, buddy. You're a lot older than me. All right? But I'm very excited. By the time this comes out, your show will be out. It is out. Yeah, it is out now. It is out.

It is out. I'm really enjoying it. So, like, is there any sort of feeling or emotion you hope they take away after watching? You know, it's like, it, I read the book and reading all the scripts. I felt, it's like, there's something about female friendship. Like, there's this kind of, I feel seen in it. Yeah. It's not perfect, right?

It's like, there are issues. and it's not like it's it's aspirational but not this is these are female friendships that I recognize yeah and it makes you feel seen and it makes you feel like um like I know these people and I am these people and and there's just something very cozy about it yeah I can't tell you how much we like loved doing it and it just I feel like yeah I don't know cozy I don't know why I keep coming back to cozy but when I think of this show I'm like get cozy yeah it's like familiar It feels very familiar. There is like a depth to female friendship that is completely different from any other connection you have in your life.

And I feel very convicted in that. Me too. And I feel so like I feel so convicted to in the thought that you can be soulmates with friends. Like with girlfriends especially like it's sisterhood. Like I think about it all the time where I'm like, oh my God, if you had no women in your life that you love and who love you. Like I know love is real because I've been loved by. women. I could not agree more. Like specifically women. And this like yeah, this really explores that and and then not to again get too cheesy but we really felt that with each other. Like there was something

really and I'm like pointing to my phone because we were talking all the time but we really like check in on each other and take care of each other and it's like a very organic perfect example yeah you know of like what female friendship is. Totally and how it can fluctuate. Totally. And how it can fluctuate. Totally. Right. Like I was just talking about this with someone too about how like sometimes I'll get questions online because I have like a lot of public friendships that I feel like are very real but they're just people just love that we're friends. Yeah. And so like sometimes people will ask me like how do I get friends like that? Like how do I get other women to love? You know what I mean? Which is hard. It's kind of a hard question to answer but I always like say especially for young people

I feel like female friendship especially because that's the only one I can speak to is like loving women through all phases of their life, which is interesting that you were saying like these are all women from different phases of her life. So it's like sometimes when people are very curt and judgmental about friendship or how women are treating each other or whatever, sometimes I think I'm like you're young so you don't know what it feels like to love someone like a woman that you're not romantically involved with. you love them through all of their isms, all of their mistakes, all of their falls, like all of their faults, you see every side of them and you still choose to love them. Because I feel like platonic love is a lot of times far more important than romantic love. And it's also a choice. Like you get to decide if you want to love your friends like that and support them. Yes, exactly, through many different phases of life.

And I think that's beautiful. To hear that that's being depicted. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm loving that. Yeah. I love that, especially your stacked cast. It's so stacked.

It's amazing. Yeah. And I think you are incredible. I think you're incredible. Thank you so much, Darcy. I have some fun facts about you, though. Oh, my God. And they're going to get super fun.

Okay. Well, you can let me know if they're fun. I always tell them, you tell me if they're fun. That one's not fun. Yeah, and if it's not fun, she's fired. Okay, great. Just kidding. Your ass on the line.

Your ass is on the line, Amanda. It already is. Yeah. She didn't get the outline. Because I didn't get that outline, girl. Outline. Okay. It says that Darcy used to work for a New York bus

tour called The Ride, a 75-minute experience that was part NYC tour, part comedy theater. You got it, girl. That's the most like improv-loving person job. It's so funny that you say that because, am I supposed to like chime in on this? Yes, please. Because I, my, like a comedy partner of mine and I, Tim Dunn, and I, we auditioned for this together. You auditioned as like duos.

Oh, nice. And in the room, we got it. Okay? Where they're like, well, you do it? And we're like, yeah, we'll do it. And then we basically, I was like, because also not to like shit on the ride, but it's not like I was desperate to do it. I wasn't like, I got to get this job. Yeah.

I'm going to go like this again. It was more just like I felt like I had a little power because I didn't care to if I got it or not. So basically in the room, I was like, we will do it if you let us like cast the entire thing with our UCB improv friends. You know? Closed mouths don't get fed. Yeah. And so they did. So they just, we hired so many of our UCB friends that were all like struggling, broke actors.

Oh, period. And it was really fun. And we got paid really well. It was great until it wasn't. And it was like a whole like comedy show. So you were giving like tours of New York? It's this weird bus that if you can picture this like, okay, if you're listening or watching. Okay, if you're listening, you usually phase forward on a bus.

Yeah. This is more like you're in movie theater seats the other way. You're looking out the windows. Oh, interesting. Okay. And it's like it's all glass. Gotcha. Does that make sense?

Yes. Yeah. Okay. I know there's like an easy way to explain that. but I'm imagining that like New York City is the screen. Right. You're in the seats, okay? Yeah.

So we're standing unseat belted or whatever, just like standing up on either side of the window. And we're playing these kind of characters, kind of ourselves that are like taking you on a tour, but we have like a little bit of like a maybe there was like a little romantic storyline. The craziest part of this, of this ride of this tour tour bus is people on the street were also. actors that were mics and we would like for example we would um we would drive by like like Carnegie Hall yeah like somebody walking down the street and we were like well that looks like that guy's in a rush excuse me sir sir and then he'd be like yeah and the bus could hear him

because he was miced and we're like what's the rush mister and you know he's like I'm on my way to an audition and we're like well could you give us a little taste and then he'd be like New York New York this sounds like this sounds like like what I told you about high school musical or it's like there was a couple moments where it was truly unbearable totally it was that is it was wild and the tours the tourists like ate it up yeah it was like who me yeah exactly who me mister that is everyone tiny tim that is so funny it was what a theater kids dream job like while you're going to school yeah like what a dream but it's also one of those it's like one of those acting jobs that is a little soul sucking where you're like

almost, I'm almost doing it. Right, yeah. I was like in the, maybe like the New York Post or something, like in my little, in my little costume in front of the bus. And I was like, well, that's certainly not the way I thought I was gonna like be in the newspaper

for the first time, you know? It's like a tour guide. Right. But, you know, yeah. That is fucking hilarious. Yeah, it's great. That is, and honestly, that is one of those gigs where you get them

and you're like, this is part of it. Exactly. This is part of the grind. Yeah, it's like working at Universal Studios or one of those people who's like or you're like I don't know Mickey Mouse with like the hat on yeah well I'm I'm performing right I am doing the thing I said hat on Mickey Mouse with his little hat on I meant like the full head you know it's funny is Moana came out when I was when I graduated from college or I was about to and so when I did

graduate and I didn't have a job I was like well I guess I could do character work so I because I look like her low key obviously so then I was like why not and I was like so I bought the outfit and I bought the ore and everything. I can't sing. That's important information. I can't sing. So that is, you know, one of her big things. She's got a great voice. Yeah. So when I, when I did my like pitches, I was like, I don't sing. But I could teach. I could teach like a hula or something. Yeah. And it was a bullshit-ass hula, but I'll do it. Yeah. Kids don't know. They're dumb. They don't know. And so I did, I did probably two parties. Two. Yeah. Total. And I quit after the second one because I could not believe how pervy dads were. I could not. I could not.

believe and the way that my temper is set up especially at the time when I was 21 there's no way I was gonna I was gonna literally beat someone's dad's in front of kids and that they'd watch Mwana beat the shit out of their dad would have been probably good for that like good for everyone involved yeah everybody would have benefited that's so funny so I did quit that after a while but at in the beginning though I thought I I did think it was really cool how kids loved me and like they were so convinced it was me like immediately so That was kind of fucking with. I thought that was beautiful. The dads were so pervy.

I was like, I can't do this shit. That is so, of course. I was like, I can't do this. I'm not built for it. Not my thing. But I do have more fun facts. This one says you used to be Bill Hader's nanny. Yeah, true.

For his children. Yeah. Well, that is interesting. That is interesting. So that was like, again, this is, you know, New York struggling actor. My sort of main, you know, I had all the struggling actor jobs, like waitress and temp. Yeah.

Then I started nannying. And I just. loved it and it was like it somebody recently said the word filled my cup and it keeps like I've probably almost said it 10 times today it really filled my cup I love that though I think she said it as a joke and I'm doing it like seriously but um it it it I just loved it it was like a great way for me to to make money yeah and my move was like babysit for as many families as possible if I babysit for like 15 families yeah and no one can count on me no one can count on me no can like realize you know like I'm not I'm nobody's like live in me yeah and I'm nobody no I can

always audition I could always say yeah I could always bail last minute yeah and then I started babysitting for Bill and and Maggie his wife at the time and and there was just I just like fell in love with his daughter his little baby his little baby we just clicked like soulmate baby in fact this is so long ago so she's a teenager now we were texting yesterday oh my gosh yeah yeah um So anyway, that was great, and they really took great care of me. That's crazy. What a crazy side gig. I know.

Just a fun fact about me. That fact is fun. I will say. Yeah, I mean, you know, I got to be on his show, Barry. Yeah. Which, it's just like, he really took care of me. Period. I really am so grateful for him.

That's so amazing. Oh, my gosh. Okay. Well, now it says she met her now husband, Jason, when a mutual friend invited them both on a friend's trip to Disneyland. Ding, ding, ding. That's so tea. Do you love Disneyland? I don't know how to explain.

I'm like, I'm so not a Disney adult. Right. But I'm like, but I go every year. I go like once year. You're a real chill fan. Yeah. Like I do love it. I love like I love going to my nieces.

Yeah. You know, there's different levels. I definitely enjoy it. But you know, I'm not getting like an annual pass. But by the way, I would. Yeah. But that being said, I would. I'm like, save a little money.

If you go three times, you're making your money back. I just enjoy it. It's fun. But I can, I have definitely, I'm like, I'm not that. I'm not that. I'm this. I feel you. Okay.

I feel you. I love, I love Disney. But I feel the same way. I don't have the spiritual connection to it that Disney adults identify with. Which I love for them, true. No, same. What could make, like, they are so happy. Right.

I agree. And it's not hurting anyone. So it's like, it's a big win-win for them. Yeah. I really do love Disney, though. I just love the pageantry of it all. I think it's so fun. I get swept up in that feeling every time I go.

And I grew up. up in the Bay Area, but we would go to Disneyland once a year as a family. So it's just like, it's the same place I went to as a kid. Like it's so nostalgic. It's amazing. Likewise. And I recently, like since I started doing this, was able to go to Disney World. Oh, I'm never, that's like a whole, oh, you've got to go to Disney World. Okay. It's really fun. It is really overwhelming. I will say it's like plane, trains and automobiles to get anywhere. Okay. Right. Right. But it is fun. If you do it right and you plan it right, it's awesome. Yeah. It's just the heats. Crossing my legs and sort of uncrossing my legs.

Oh, you do whatever you've got to do. Okay, this one says you used to work as a front desk receptionist at a design store. I did. And one time Conan O'Brien came in and rift with you. Yeah, it was like, what the hell? What the damn hell? Where are you working that you're just running into these people? This was like a, this was in New York on the Upper East Side.

I was a temp. And I was front desk manager at like a design studio. It was like a designer, like a, and truly designer to the stars. She did like, like, be. beep and beep. Yeah. I guess I can't say their names. NDA,

I don't know. Yeah. She did like Tom Hanks' house and St. Spielberg and Conan's house. And so, yeah, so there was a meeting where he and his amazing lovely wife, Liza, came in. And that was, and Conan is very formative for me. He was like, when I was, you know, a kid, he was sort of, I've told him this before. And I'm sure a lot of people feel this way, which is like he was the first adult comedian as a kid where I was like,

like you're for me. Like I love all these other ones, but those are for my parents or something, but you are for me. You like speak my language. Right. You're teaching me a language that I know. No, totally. And he's like an OG. Yes.

Like he's one of one of the guys. The guys. Comedy guys. Yeah. Anyway, when he came in to the studio, whatever it's called, I love that. I can't remember. He just was very Conan. He was like, I think he saw like a comedy connection.

Yeah, totally. kind of like bantering and bidding and he was very funny and very conony and he just sensed it about yeah he had the scent on you i probably was i probably was pushing it yeah yeah i'm being funny too your pheromones were giving improv and he knew exactly he smelled it really like he went with it and he's one of the best he's one he's like you know become it um become isn't it cool when you kind of like get to become friends with your heroes hell yeah that is so cool and i i'm discovering that now like as i do this now and i venture into it now what a thing um and it's even better better when they rock like because it is a bummer when you meet people and you're like

damn that person sucks that's a bummer yeah but I I joked about this with with Lucy when she was on Lucy Lucy Lusie Dacus obviously we joked about this on when she was on the show as well but I was telling her I really do have this running theory that in this industry especially if you make it to like a certain level whatever that is to you and a lot of people know you or they've heard you or they see you and stuff I really think you're either the best person ever and so awesome. You just so happen to be talented. Or you're the most evil person I've ever met in my entire life. And that's how you made it because you just don't care about anybody. You might be

on something. Past a certain point, it's like only the best or the worst survive. I definitely have had that before. Everyone in the middle gets killed off. Yeah. You got there somehow. Yeah. Yeah. And it wasn't by nothing. No. And it's like the people I meet who are just like so awesome. Like they really are that awesome. Like just genuinely. I totally agree. And it's like when they're not, The bad ones are the worst people you've ever met, like evil incarnate. Like I think to myself, you're walking as like human embodied evil. Like I can't believe it. Yeah.

And now I know how you got here. Yeah, exactly. I was like, maybe the Illuminati is real. Totally. And they're using it. That's so funny. I totally agree. Yeah. I think you're right.

Okay. Last fun fact. It says when you were about 12 years old, you changed the spelling of your name of your name Darcy to Darcy with like. like an apostrophe because you were a huge fan of the basses from smashing pumpkins Darcy Redskey Brown. Yeah, that's right. Because, quote, she was her ideal person. Yeah, she's like the coolest person in the world. Yeah. Like when I was a kid, I mean, just like, I guess alternative music, grunge music, like, it was all men. And I love them all. I like, I like truly still do love grunge music so much.

Yeah. And she was like, other than like the breeders and a couple, there was very, very, very few females. Right. And she was the only woman in an all male band and I loved smashing pumpkins. And she just was fucking cool, period. That's it. Yeah.

And I was just like, I want that name. So I was going to ask about the apostrophe in your name. Yeah. I didn't get a chance to. I just put the apostrophe of it. Not that this is a, it's not like I changed my name. Yeah. Meaning like it's the same name.

I just put an apostrophe in it. But I'm, but I, but it stuck. I identify as. That's how I identify. And that's fair. We can do anything. That's one of those things where it's like, I forgot I have free will. Yeah, I was like, this is more me.

Yes. It really did feel like that. Absolutely. I love that for. I think that's beautiful. I made my own a little bit. Hell yeah. And I'm someone with like a gender neutral name, I guess you could call it.

So I get it. Like having a unique name. Right. Darcy's already a very unique name to me. But I think there was something I was like, I don't know this name. Darcy. I can barely say. it and then there's something about putting me like seeing her and being like this she just she was just

the coolest yeah and i was like okay now this is like an idol like i like i want to i want to that's amazing my parents were like they're like okay yeah no for sure yeah love that for you yeah it's okay express yourself right exactly yeah my my mom named me after drew barry more which is not the first thing that people think of if you can believe they're always like drew carry i'm like why is that the first one you think of. I mean, no disrespect, but I would... But why him? I'm naming my daughter after Drew Barrymore. Yeah. And when I got to meet Drew Barrymore, I did tell her that. She was like, obviously, she was blown away and then she tongue kissed me. Yeah, of course. That's what... But of course she did. She may have. Obviously, right after that, she made out with me. You might be

serious. And then she crawled inside my pants and we left together. She is something else, man. She is. I love her. I love her. She's just as beautiful and in, in, in, in, her intimate as she seems. I, like, was on her show, and I didn't meet her backstage. I just met her on stage in front of the audience. Me too. And I was like, what's happening? I truly was so, like, enamored with her.

Same. That I stole the mug off. I, like, stole the Drew mug. I kind of, like, left with it behind my bag to be like, back to just be like, I need a piece of this. Whatever this moment was that we just had, I have to remember it for the rest of my life. After we finished mine, because I didn't get the couch. I got the death.

because I'm a dipsion online. So I was at the desk. But when I did the desk bit with her, like we did a whole thing. It was probably like eight minutes long. And then it cut. And they cut for like two minutes. And she was like, you're incredible. And I was like, oh my God, thank you so much, Drew Barrymore.

That means a lot to me. And then she was like, we should get dinner. Oh, my God. And I was literally like, like now? Yeah. What are you busy? And then she laughed. I go, Drew Barrymore, you let me know.

Like she was like, would you want to do dinner with me? Wow. Imagine I said no. I know. You're like, maybe not dinner. I was like, maybe a light lunch. Just a coffee. Maybe coffee.

Yeah, we'll start with coffee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so cute. Would you want to get dinner? Yeah, I was like, yes. I know, it is funny that dynamic where you're like, balls in your court doll. Yeah.

I know you're trying not to play it too heavy, but you're like, I would love nothing fucking more than to go to dinner with you. Yes, yes. I was like, well, you tell me, girl, you have more white space than I do in my calendar. So you let me know. I'll run it by my team. Yeah. We'll see.

Oh, my God. But she's incredible. And as are you. as are you I think you're incredible look at us we're twins low key I know really

there's a lot of us are very similar yeah I'm a little freaked out I am too down to like the making of the rings no I'm telling you the next time I see you I'm gonna have an apostrophe between D and the R it would really it would work well thank you so much for coming on the show

I think you're I think you're incredible and I think you're so talented and amazing and I love to close if you could share like your best piece of advice for aspiring actors and like anyone who's because we talked a lot about the process and like how grueling it can be but how rewarding it can be but do you have any advice for any aspiring actors or artists thank you for saying all that yeah i think like the biggest thing is you really truly have to love it right and not like the outcome not the like accolades or the fame or the power or whatever

it's like you have to love the thing the acting or the art yeah because there is other ways to get the other stuff. Right. That's true. That's a great point. And this is like, it is so grueling and hard and it's so, it beats you down and that's part of a deal. It's like, don't feel alone in that because we're all, everybody has the rejection. Totally. So, but if you love it so much that it's like you can't live without it, then, you know, just know that you're like in the right place. Yeah. And it's, it is a journey. And it is the ups and downs never stop. Yeah. But the highs are like as high as they could be. And it's like a dream, I think at that point especially. It's living a dream. It's living your dream. Yeah. I appreciate that too,

especially the note about like you could get any of that other stuff anywhere else because it's true. Right. And I think especially now with social media being so prevalent and especially so integrated with this industry now too, I think a lot of times people measure like success. Like they're like, these people are moving faster than me just because you have visibility of them. But that's really the only difference between now and 20 years ago. That is so true. And that that is like so much easier said than done. But right. But I want to like to not compare yourself to other people. Yeah. And know that there's like enough space for everybody. Totally. Like that like that role, her getting that role doesn't actually affect you. No. And it doesn't take away from you.

Right. And that's hard to grasp, but to remind yourself of that and really try to like subscribe to that. Yeah. Yeah. Like, well, I'm sure. subscribing to that kind of ideology too makes it more bearable. Yeah. Like going through the trenches. Yeah. But also to like what you said like kind of locking in with people who are in it at the same time. I think that's huge.

At the same phase. Yes. Yeah. To be able to not feel so alone because it can feel really lonely. Yeah. Totally. The people that you in whatever way came up with or take class with or friends that are kind of doing the same thing, maybe at different points in their career.

Whatever it is like being able to have some sort of community is like what, what, what, stop me here what gets me there like it's that's such a yeah that's so true and it's also too when you start doing it for real which is awesome then it's like no one can relate to you outside of the people who do it right right like so when you it's like those are your my friends have described as like we're co-workers like by that measure even though we're all working on our own right like technically those are our co-workers because we don't clock in anywhere that's right like so it's like I have no one else to bounce this off of other than y'all well I'm glad to say I've added you now to my friend list now you're on there too now I'm going to bother you with my question

And then I'll probably try to grow a nepotism branch or something from you. We will work together. Yeah, we'll work on it. I planted it with the rock. I told them this is me growing a nepotism tree, obviously. Yeah. Now the branch is going to reach to you. But it is exciting to think like we can just work together someday.

Yes. Yeah. This life rocks. Oh, me getting excited. Me too. Me too. Can't wait. See on set, bitch.

For real. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. I think you're a fucking hoot and you're a delight. Yay. I can't wait to see you be in so many more things. And I can't wait for all of you to see Darcy's new show. Do you want to plug it for us? Yes, five-star weekend.

It's on Peacock. Yes. July 9th. It's probably after July 9th today. Yes. It's out. Go watch it. Yes.

And where can they find you? Just my name on Instagram. On Instagram. Just my name. That's it. Nowhere else. Don't look anywhere else. Perfect.

Well, thank you all so much for tuning into this episode. Thank you so much for my amazing guest, Darcy Cardin. Don't forget to check out her new show. on Peacock. There we go. I almost said, I almost said Pluto for some reason. That's not even a streaming app.

It might be. It's by the time this comes out. That's right. By the time this comes out. Who knows? Well, thank you all so much for tuning in. Don't forget new episodes of the comments section. Drop every Wednesday can stream audio on all streaming platforms, but the video lives for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, YouTube.

Thank you so much to Darcy Cairnan. Thank you so much to all of you. And I'll see you next week. Bye.