The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - THE UNIVERSE WANTS YOU TO HEAR THIS Ft. Betty Who | The Comment Section Ep. 86

Episode Date: October 4, 2023

Video available on Spotify. Coming to you from NEW YORK CITY this week, Drew is joined by Betty Who during her first week starring in Hades Town on Broadway. They talk about the universe pushing you out of your comfort zone, Betty’s Broadway debut and overcoming imposter syndrome, being a tall powerful woman and why men hate that, why clothing is genderless, and so much more! Drew: https://linktr.ee/drewafualo Betty: IG / TikTok Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I remember so specifically, Andy Cohen being like asking, he had questions for him on the thing. And then at the end, he just goes, Shaq, how big is your dick? He just was like, and Shaquil takes his shoe off and just puts it because he's like a size, you know, whatever, 106. And he just put the shoe and it's this long and he just puts it on his leg and everybody screams. Hey, everyone and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me. Everybody knows me. Again, nobody ever cares about me anymore. But you should care about me today because clearly I'm not in my regular studio.

And that's because we're in New York, baby. We're taking the show on the road, and we're going to pick up the most famous people ever because that's just what we do on this show. And today is no exception. Today we have the amazing, the wonderful, the iconic, the legendary. Betty Hu! Wow. Most famous people ever?

That's really crazy. To me. Okay. That makes more sense. Okay, great. Okay, I'm in. I'm in. Everyone's wildly more famous than I.

on my show, but I'm always like, I love to pick people that I love. So there you. I'm happy to be loved by you. Thank you. The feeling is so mutual. I got so excited when I saw on TikTok, I was like looking at your profile and I saw the little, you know, the arrows that go out. And I was like, true follows me.

And that's how we made it here, I feel like. Absolutely. We go so far back. About a month and a half back. It's sick. Ten years at least, man. So happy to be here. Welcome to New York. You and I are both where,

LA goleys, yeah. Yes. And we both, we were both living our dreams in the old now. And you're even more abroad because you are not from America. No, I was born in Australia. Yes. Exactly. Half and half.

Although I have a citizenship, so I kind of, I got, I'm like lucky because I don't have to deal with all of the sort of visa nightmare. Oh, that's good. My mom's American. Oh, period. Love that for you. Bicostal. By country. Girlie.

Bisexual bi-country girlie. That's me. I'm honored to have you. I've been a fan of you for a very, very long time. That's so nice. I can't believe it. Your song, Heartbreak Dream changed my life. Okay.

That is actually OG. Yeah. I was like, yeah. Yeah. That's like for real. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

I love that song. I loved that whole album. Wow. And my sister is gay and she was like, I loved this album too. And I was like, be in the gays. I can't believe I'm gay. Yeah. She's like, mom, hello.

So funny. Wow. HBD. Heartbreak Dream is a is a TBT. That's an old one. So I'm really, I appreciate. I appreciate that. It's so good.

And then my last record is called Big, which is really for the tall goalies, actually. So like... A.k.a. Me. I know you walked in. You were like, wait, you're tall. I was like, no. You're so tall. Well, I knew you were tall. Yeah. But you're significantly taller than me.

I'm tall. I'm tall. I'm tall. I'm tall. Exactly. Do you know what I mean? I'm 6'2. That's tall. That's... Period. Period. And that's like for real zes. Although if any acting, costing,

people are watching this, I'm six foot. Could be 5-11 if you need me to be. If you really think about it. You really think about it, you could be. That's what I'm saying. That's like Gwendolyn Christine, right? She's tall. She's past six feet.

That's my big girl. You know Hannah Waddingham from Ted Lassau? Yes, yes, yes. Our tall queens. I didn't know she was that tall. She looks tall, but I didn't know she was that tall. She's pretty tall, yeah. Period.

I know. It's sick for us. We're really taking over? I'm checked about it. I think so. We've been in the shadows for far too long. Do people guess that you're tall? No.

I mean, of course, I bet you get the same thing. Number one thing people say, they're like, wait, wait, you're so much taller than I expected. You're, like, really tall. Well, they used the term big for me, which feels like a choice. A wrong one at that. But that's, see, I'm reclaiming the word big. You know what I mean? That's my whole thing now.

Period. So I'm like, my lost record is called big. Period. From the record big is all about me being a huge bitch. Love that. I call myself a big bitch all the time. Yeah, because I am, in fact. But only I'm allowed to call myself.

that's a bitch. Hey, don't talk about my mom that way. Only I am allowed to talk about my mom that way. It's like that. Yes, I relate. You're not allowed to talk shit. I am. About me.

They always say that to me. They're like, you're so much taller than I thought you were going to be. Which I feel like I look tall. I don't think I've photographed short literally at all. See, I have the thing, especially because in the show that I'm doing currently, I wear heels and I have a wig that has like a good three, four inches on the top of it. It's like a big beehive. Yeah.

And so I don't, it's like I hear older people. people saying like, I don't feel 60. You know, I like feel 25 and then I look at myself in the mirror and I'm like, whoa, I've aged. That's how I feel about my height is I don't feel like I'm 6-6 in this show. And then I saw the photos from our first curtain call. And I was like, wait. Just, wait.

Just absolutely dwarfing everybody. Yeah, the guy who plays my husband is tall. Speaking of big, he's a tall guy. And I literally am dwarfing him on stage. It's like, I was like, oh, oh, I didn't realize. Yeah, I talked about that once. I filmed something. It was like a commercial kind of thing.

And they were like styling me. We had a bunch of meetings and they were talking about styling. And I was like, just so you guys know, because I was with a man and I knew his height, like, relatively. I feel like I can smell height, like especially on men. I can tell if you're tall. Yeah. That's not a joke. So I looked at him and I'm like, he looks a little bit shorter than me.

So I told them, just to you guys know, I'm tall. Like, so if you're planning on putting me in a heel and you don't like the opposite. of that. Giving you a heads up. Yeah, I'm just letting you know I'd put me in a flat shoe. And they were like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they still put me in a heel.

It was like a pretty high one, so I was like, okay. And we stood next to each other. I had like four inches on him. And they were like, oh, you meant tall. See, when I told you that I was tall. Yeah. And I expressed this exact thing. It's so interesting that you didn't believe me.

Yeah. I think they assume that when, which is not really their fall, but like when women say tall, they're like talking like 5-7. Yeah. So I'm like, no, babe. No, that's not what we mean. That's not what we mean at all. That's really an average height to me.

And I think anything below 5, 6 is like short. I think toll for a woman is like 510 minimum. It's like what I think. Yeah, I would say like for me, tall is like six or over. Yeah. So that includes men. Six are over. And anyone in between six or over.

But as like a toll lady, are you, I have like one of my biggest insecurities, especially being in the entertainment. industry in general is my clothing trauma is like off the charts yeah it's pretty bad crazy crazy crazy like the number of shoots i've showed up to where i'm like interesting i gave you my sizes and you brought samples yeah i did a shoot that i will will the publication will remain nameless but i did a shoot where i showed up and they brought all of these designer clothes i'm like how great would it be if literally any of these fit me i was like sobbing at the shoot they turned it into a beauty editorial because they didn't have any clothes that fit me and they wrapped a scarf like i'm

an Irme's scarf around me as a top because they did not have a single piece of clothing. How are you supposed to feel? I'm just like, what's the point? Like, why'd you ask me for sizes? And why'd you bring me here? If you wanted someone who was going to fit into all these. No shit. It's like you're asked to show up and then you immediately are told that you're wrong for showing up the way that you were.

They're like, oh, well, it's like so hard to like shop for you. And it's like, is it? Oh my God, I've known you what that feels like. Yeah, it feels like you had a job to do and you didn't do it. Yeah, like I. have learned to bring my own shit to everything. Even if they say, don't worry, I'm going to bring clothes for you. I still bring my own shit every single time.

I bring my own jeans, especially. I bring my own, like, shoes. Pants are the worst. See, we have very different, because I am living in a very, I dress, as not that my nails are telling you this right now. These are for the show. I don't know if you're getting this from me, that it doesn't really match my everyday vibe.

But I transitioned into, like, exclusively men's clothing. I feel as though women's clothing, isn't doesn't cater to me. Yeah. I like just do not, I feel like a sausage being stuffed into the casing. And that's fair.

That's fair and valid, yeah. Oh, I just, like, I spent my entire life trying to fit into clothes that weren't meant for me. And then I was like, cool, I guess I'll just wear these pants that are made for someone

who has hips my size, which is like men, I guess. Sick for me. You know what's crazy too? It's like, clothing is, well, gender's made up, first of all. But clothing is genderless. At least it should be.

Like, I have a really. interesting take on this only because I think like gender is fake if you will but clothing is what makes people see gender true like very true I I think I'm a very soft lady face yeah but I'm tall first of all height is what makes people see gender true even before I was like dressing very masculine yeah I would pretty pretty girl clothes because I was trying to be like no I'm so little and tiny don't look at me I'm such a sweet little baby yeah and people still in the airport like sir, because I'm tall. And I'm like, that's so interesting.

I mean, it's great. I respond very comfortably to sir now. You know what I mean? I'm here, sure. Yes, yes, ma'am. I think it's so funny how, like, we perceive each other. Yeah. And how it's like, my height has made me male.

Yeah. Just because, you know, it's like, and now I'm just going, I guess I'm going with it. Yeah, I feel like I used to, well, I mean, I feel like all tall girls especially, like, go through this at point, but like, I used to really fucking hate being tall when I was really young. Of course. Especially, like, you know, when you're co-mingling with men and then you go through puberty and you're, because I was short for some time. Like, when I say short, I mean, like, I was like average.

Yeah, when was your, like, growth spot? That was, like, seventh, going into eighth grade. So I was five, four when I was 10, which is very tall. Don't get me wrong. That's very fucking tall. It's a little ominous to be. honest. But I didn't really notice at the time. It wasn't until like I said like puberty rolls in and then you start to be perceived. And also boys take longer. Yeah. So like when you're hitting

5'8, the boys are still 5'0. Nothing. And your body is being starting to be perceived by men in a way that is sexual and it's like desirable. And we're juicy too, which is the different. You start developing. Yeah. And so I was kind of like, I think when I was 5'4 until 7th grade, then the summer going into eighth grade, I grew four inches. That's not a fucking joke. I went from 5-4 to 5-8. I came back to school. They're like, who the fuck is this dad? And it's literally, I'm like a foot taller than everybody. I know. And even then, I didn't really care. Like, I noticed, but I didn't like really take it to heart yet until I went to high school. When I was younger, I did hate being bigger than other kids because my mom, like, when I played

sports. My mom always had to bring like my birth certificate because I'm so much bigger than everyone. I also got accused of being like in the 10th grade when I was in the fifth grade. They were like prove it, prove that she's 11. I don't believe you. I don't believe you for one second because I've always been a large child. So like as I got older, my mom had to start carrying it everywhere. She's like she's literally nine. I'm screaming. I know she's taller than me or the same high as me, but she's literally nine. I hit six foot when I was 12. So I feel you. Damn. Yeah. Big early early. Big early. Big. Big. girl early.

Yeah. All the pictures are so silly. You know what I mean? It's just like, but I also like, I don't know, I've, my mom specifically, both my parents, but my mom was very like, I never had the, until other kids. Yeah, same. Same. As a child, I was very loved and I'm very grateful and very lucky.

And so I really was just like this, I never understood that I was different. Same. In a meaningful way until you're like faced with the outside world. Because kids are fucking mean. I was in San Francisco. with my parents when I was a kid. I just got in my ears pierced. I was so jacked.

I was probably 12. And they had gone to the restaurant. We were in the hotel bar. And they were like, we were all like kind of waiting at the bar because we were waiting for a table. And so my parents were like, we're going to go check on the table. And I was standing at the bar waiting for them to come back at 12 years old. And the wait, the bartender comes over to me.

And he's like, do you have an ID? And I went, I'm 12. And he was like, you can't sit here. You got to go. I was like, a codded when I was 12 years old. That's fucking crazy. You know what I mean? It's wild.

So I feel you. That is crazy. You know, when I look at pictures, it does look comical because I'm like so much larger than every other kid. But I never really noticed when I was a kid. And then when I went to high school, I grew more. Like I was like 5'8 and then I tore my ACL in high school. And when I got my, what's your sports of choice?

You're a sporty. I played soccer. Soccer. Soccer. Football for your people. Yes, thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much.

Yeah. That's not what they call it where you're home. That's what I played growing up all throughout school. That's a running sport. Yeah. A lot of running. I was never a runner. Yeah.

I did a lot of running, which is strange. Don't know why I really hate running. Are you so sick of being asked if you played basketball? Yeah, basketball. Because I didn't. It's the first one. Me either. Actually, basketball was one of the few sports I wasn't very good at.

Same, which is crazy. Which is crazy. At volleyball, also, people are like, oh, you must have played volleyball. And I was like, not a day in my life. And it's like the one that I'm like always, I was a softball girly. Very, if you didn't know, I was queer when I was 11. I was like, well, that fits a different stereotype. Yeah, exactly.

It makes sense now. I literally wanted to go. I wanted as a kid to go to college on a softball scholarship. I was like, wow. Like, I'm in a league of their own. But the Amazon series that's like the really gay one. The new one. The new one.

The true one. Yeah. Yeah. When I played soccer, same thing. I was much bigger than everyone. But I remember I got like, when I tore me ACL, I had to get, surgery. I had to get an MRI. And when they did x-rays on my legs, the guy was telling me, your growth plates are like closed. I'm like, oh, word. He's like, yeah, you're not going to

grow anymore. I'm like, fucking promise because I hated being tall. Pinky swear. Yeah, I was like, swear to me under life, but I'm not going to grow another inch. And then he's like, no, yeah, you're done. Did he lie? Yeah. Well, yeah, it was 5, 8. Now I'm 6 feet tall. I kept growing. I grew an inch every year. I grew into college. It was like once I turned 21, I stopped growing. And I was like, what the fuck? Yeah. Like, I was so pissed off, but I don't understand it either because genetics are so weird because my dad is 6-6 and my mom is 5-3.

Okay. So my sister's 5-4. She's my older sister. I'm 6'4. My brother's 6-1 right now and he's 19. So like, it's just so random. Like, it's just a real like randomizer, like a jackpot machine. It was just like whoever gets tall.

Your parents are a great example of this because short women love tall men. Yeah. I used to get really fucking mad at my small, the smallest girlfriends I had were like, I only date guys if they're six foot or tall. I would be like, get your own. You know what I mean? There are so few. You can pick anybody. Listen.

You could be with a man who's 5'8 and he would tower over you. That is fucked. And it always happens that way. It does, yeah. But you went, you found a tossy. I married a small one. Yeah. Sorry.

I shouldn't just call you the small one. I married a short king. Because there's something from me. I like, it jacks me up. Real baby girl. Energy. It jacks me up because I think there's also something about like a short man who doesn't care, shorter. I'm not going to call you short.

You're not like tight. Listen. Sorry. He was like, he was like, please try and keep my name out of your mouth today. Shorter than you. He's just shorter than you. Shorter than me. And there's something to me that's very like attractive about a shorter man who goes like, I don't care.

It's like so secure. Yeah. Honestly, you'd be shocked. People would be shocked. Like, lots of short men hit on me. Yeah. Hell yeah. Love that for you.

Pick you, yeah, put you on the bar. Yeah, I think so. I'll put you in my pocket. Daddy? Yeah. It makes me so, I think it's like such a testament to the kind of person you are. If you're like, I don't, it doesn't make me feel weird at all that you're taller than me. You're beautiful.

Like, I should be into you. It's like, yes, you should. So right. And you're so real for that. Correct. Yes, you say, and you're so real for that. Correct. That is true.

Thank you, sir. You know? Yeah. Yeah. 6-4. Yeah. But I'm also someone, so, like, it's very normal for us to be tall. And, like, I'm not shaken by tall people or big people.

Like, that doesn't freak me out. Not freak me out. But, like, you know, some people are like, wow. Oh, my God. I've never seen someone so tall in my life. Oh, my God. Yeah, like, tall people in general don't, like, phase me at all because I've been around tall people in my whole life.

My dad's 6.6. My dad's a big dude. So, like, tall to me, is. is like six four up. Yeah. That's tall to me. But like, told to most people is just five, ten.

So you hit your gross per 12, you said. So young. But you're two more inches. Yeah. Is that slow and setting? I think, I mean, at that point,

what does it fucking matter? Yeah. It's like, how do you, yeah, I didn't even notice at that point. I just, I was so tall,

so young that I was just tall always. I saw like the extra, because there was one girl, Victoria Stanton, shout out, babes. Toot was my friend in middle school, like from grade,

seven to grade 10 before I moved to America. And she was the other only, like, she was 6'3 and I was 6'2. And it's very rare. I don't mean a ton of women who are taller. I'm usually, like, I love to be the tall woman who makes tall women feel small. Yeah. When I'm, you're like, oh, wait, you're taller than me. Yeah, my co-star in the show I'm in right now.

Salaya is probably 5.11, I want to say. And she was like, wait, I was like, yeah, I'm here to make you feel like a tiny little sexy baby. You're just like me, right? Yeah. You know what I mean? A 5, 10 girl, they're like, oh my God, you're taller than me. I'm like, period, bitch.

I'm here for you. You know what I mean? I'll hold it down for you. I remember having like solidarity with her and feeling really like I wasn't literally the only one. Yeah. And we were on the same. In Australia, we have a game called Netball, which is kind of like basketball,

but it's, anyway, there are specific rules. And me and I was on defense and tort was on, like, she was the shooter. And we kind of, we decimated. And that was the sport that everyone was like, show me your birth certificate. I don't believe you too. These two big bitches are like, you know, like they try to just smack it out of the air.

So tall. Six five. Sick five. There was one girl that I went to high school with and we played soccer together and we also played volleyball together. I like convinced her to join volleyball because she was six three, I want to say. And her whole family was tall. Like both her parents, her mom was probably like six feet.

Her dad was like six five. She had two older brothers, both of them over six three. boys, just real tall, lanky. And I told her, I was like, yeah, like, I'm tall too. Love that for us. So I used to, I used to hype her up a lot. Yeah. Because she was real shy.

I was like, that works against you, I think. When you're tall and you're a woman, and you're shy too. I was never shy, so that's why I was just kind of. Yeah, we both really embrace the like, cool, this is who I am. And now I'm like, you have to grow into your, you know, personality has to grow into the body you were given. Absolutely. And I think, too, when I was in high school, I remember. one kid told me, like, he wanted to take me to prom, but he didn't end up doing it because he

didn't like how much taller I was than him. I had another guy tell me he thought it would be gay if I wore heels and I was taller than him. I'm like, that's not how that works, but I have questions. Yeah. It's so funny. Yeah, but it's like, it's like, cool, your ugly is showing. It's like, oh, you're so insecure. Yeah. And I think it's just like, oh, cool. Next, thank you so much. Yeah. That's why I'm like, yeah, I don't go fuck. Like, I don't care about. I don't care about shorter men, but that's the gag about what I do now. Yeah. Because like when I joke about short dudes, like, they get really fucking, ooh, man.

Yeah. I kicked that rat's nest and they come scrambling out. They just scatter like little roaches. Of course, and because you're so tall too, it's like. Well, and when I say that, like, they for real think I'm kidding. Like, they're like, okay, I googled it. And I said your fight for. I'm like, well, we all know the internet never lies.

I love that. Yeah. I was like, did you read what else it said on there? I said I was 115 pounds. That's all the lie. I'm screaming. That's also a lie, babe. There's a lift in the show in Hades Tamo where the guys has to pick, like,

is supposed to pick up Persephone? And we did it like twice. And he's very strong and he can do it. But if he's ever out of the show, nobody else will be able to pick up this like big girl. I hope that's like a tall girl thing. I think it is like a fear of being picked up. Yes, a thousand percent.

I'm like, no, I've hated it for so long. Yeah, I'm just like, no, it's fine. He's fine. He's fine. With the way I'll freak out. Like you're so interested. I've gone like, I've gone the other way a little bit where I'm like, I need to now like,

like heal the wound of feeling like I'm a tiny little sexy baby. So I'm like, pick me. My husband always says that I'm like a great dane who thinks I'm a Chihuahua. I'm like, I'm so small. Hold me and he's like his tiny, you know, his tiny body being like, I'm trying to hold you. And I'm like, I need this. I like to hear you. This is part of my healing process.

Yeah. I need this. You're either with me or you're against me. I think like, even when I say, when I joke about height on the show too, it's like the same shit where they're like, you can lose weight, but I can't change my height. I'm all have you try it. I saw a dude get kneecap surgery. Have you tried? Is this the guy who's like 6'4 and he wanted to be 6'7? No, no. It was a guy who was like 5'4 and I think they made him 5'8.

Listen. But it looked so painful. It apparently is like horrific. And it's like a long arduous healing journey. Yeah. And then I think to myself like you being short or shorter for a man or whatever because beauty standards were created and imposed on everyone. We don't have to adhere to them.

It's just something that we've been indocturned. into, which that's too smart and intellectual. So take that off the table. If you're just not a fucking awful human, no one will notice how tall you are. I was just thinking as you were talking, I was like, it is so easy to be cool. And if you're cool, I'm probably going to be super into you. Yeah, I just like, no one will give a fuck. Make a joke, maybe.

If you make me laugh and we'll have a cool, fun time and you're not ugly on the inside, I am most likely going to have a great time with you. That's why I'm like, I always bring up our friend, like me and my boyfriend have a friend. And I, we've known him for a while now. I never noticed how short he was until maybe like the third year I knew him. Screaming. When he was standing next to me, I realized I was like, damn, you're like five, six. Like, that's crazy.

I never noticed. I've known him for years. I've been out with him dozens of times. Been to my house. Everything he's hung out with us, rode in my car, all kinds of shit. And I never noticed because he doesn't give a fuck because it doesn't bother him that he's shorter than the average man, whatever that I don't even fucking know, like what men consider to be tall. Like, I don't even know.

And I'm like, you are the one who cares about being short. Yeah. So you project that onto other people. And if you're an asshole to me, I'm going to joke about you being I level with my nipples. I'm going to bring that onto the table. If you're a dick to me, I'm going to bring it up. Yeah. But if you don't bring it up, I won't.

Ready to breastfeed. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's so. It's so. It goes both ways, too. Because it's like, if I'm not insecure about being tall. Yeah.

then like people notice it of course when I walk up because I think it's unusual to see a tall tall woman yeah I think people find it more like whoa than they do seeing a short man exactly yeah yeah and that's probably its own issue and thing but these every time I catch these nails in my peripheral I'm like you're like literally who is this it's so this is day two so I'm they're really fresh it's like actually rocking my world no but I I do think that there's it's like it's so easy if you're comfortable with who you are like those things that people that people find kind of abrasive or sort of if it's like it's not about me clearly you have a whole you have something going on yeah I'm very comfortable being myself and who I am clearly you are not and that also like

when you are someone who loves yourself despite your own flaws yeah that really bothers you know a lot about this is kind of your whole this is kind of the whole thing yeah is like it really sets people when you love yourself. Yeah, like, how dare you? Isn't that wild? Yeah, it is very weird. It's weirdo behavior. Because they don't love themselves.

And they've just been conditioned to believe for however long that like if they don't look a certain way, then they don't deserve love or respect. And then when, or happiness, really, and then when you see someone that looks like what you perceive to be unattractive because of what the world has told you. It's not even unattractive different. That's what I'm saying, like, it's literally just like what you perceive to be unattractive because that's what you've been told is unattractive. And they're living their life and they're happy and they're in love and they're successful.

And they're just fulfilled. You get pissed off. Like you get pissed off because you're like, I don't, I don't fucking get it. Like, I fucking hate myself. You're not supposed to have that. I'm going to make you hate yourself because that's how I feel about myself, which is not my fucking problem. Yeah.

Because I'm not your mom or your therapist. Yeah. And if I was, I'd be really mean to you probably because you're awful. But you probably wouldn't turn that out that way, honestly. I just like have zero sympathy for men who are grown and pay taxes who like willingly sling hate like that and they expect no consequence whatsoever. Like just no fear, no consequence. They're like, oh, I do this all the time. People don't care.

People like to laugh. Like to laugh. And I love to laugh. Aren't I funny? Yeah. I love to love personally. So they never like when I join in on laughs. I don't know why.

I'm just like that we were all some jokes. But I thought that we were making jokes. We were all having so much. thought we were safe here. Yeah, even when I talk about it and they're like, well, how come you can talk about looks and I can't talk about looks? I'm like, you absolutely can't. You can talk about my looks.

Honestly, I encourage you to do it. Yeah. Tag me in it so I can see it. The only thing I ask. Tag me, I dare you. Yeah, tag me in it so I can see it. I want a key key to you want to laugh. Yeah.

And then as soon as you're done, I'll jump in. Yeah. Like double dutch. Yeah. Your turn, then my turn. And then we all go home happy. We had fun. Obviously, it's like, it is all fun in games for the most part.

but it's like you must have had sort of this crazy evolution of like your skin getting thicker and thicker and thicker. Yeah, I mean, I think to an extent, I think for me personally, like, like I said, I'm someone. So like we love to make fun of each other. Like not in a mean way, but in a like funny, silly way. And honestly, when I was a kid, I could not for the life of me take a joke, like ever. I used to get so fucking mad. Oh my gosh. I used to take everything so personally.

That's so interesting. And only for my family, though, and I think it's because, like, I value their opinions so heavily. And if they're making fun of me, I, like, take it personally. And nobody likes that person. They're a fucking bore. Yeah. And I remember my mom would tell me, like, you know, you got to learn how to take jokes, man. Like, no one's going to want to be your fucking friend if you don't want to take a joke.

Yeah. And I was like, okay. And so that got me better at taking a joke. Like, that honestly is my home life experience and, like, experience with family, extended family is what made my skin fix. So by the time I got to this, like no one can fucking hurt me. Like, bitch, I promise you that. Like, nothing you say is ever going to hurt my feelings. But it is going to hurt somebody else. So that's why I like to think of it as something like, I stand in front of it and show people that it doesn't have to hurt if you don't let it.

And that makes people feel more brave. Like, they're like, okay, well, then if it doesn't hurt her, maybe it won't hurt me either. That's like, originally what made me a fan. of you is that thing of like of you being able to be like L.O.L. That's so funny. Now let me tell some jokes. I like I think for me the thing that always rocks my world. It's not the like saying the hateful thing because I get people are entitled to their opinions and it's like cool if you don't agree with this thing. Whatever like this is for people to anonymously come here like facelessly and say truly the crazy thing that they think that they would never say at the party in front of their friends and family right? So it's like a breeding ground for that. Yeah. But I guess the

thing that I don't, I have said this like in my relationships before where I'm like, people who love each other don't try to hurt each other. Exactly. I'm going to hurt you by accident. Yeah. And that's my bad and I will apologize and we will work through it. But I'm, I will never go out of my way to hurt you on purpose. And that's the thing that I guess I'm always like the humanity level of it. Yeah. It's like so void. Doesn't connect with me. Because I'm like, I have my own thoughts that fucking hateful that I don't put in the comment section. I don't need to, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. I can like, I truly like do not understand for the life of me.

Like, I just have never been that unemployed, I guess, just where I would like, that's the other thing. I like go and look for people. I'm busy. Yeah. I have a life that's very fulfilled. No, truly, I have like friends and loved ones and someone who loves me. So like, I personally can't relate. But I just don't understand, like, seeking people out that you've never met.

You don't know. you've never encountered in real life and just saying hateful shit for no fucking reason. Isn't crazy? Which is honestly what blew my mind about TikTok. Like a lot of, I do so many interviews where they ask me like, what made you want to start this? Like, what made you like, I mean, it was an accident like falling into this. Stuff like this never happens on purpose. No, just were being yourself and it. People were drawn to it. Well, in my niche of like terrorizing men for a living. It's like something that's new for me. Yeah. But they asked me like, did I choose to do that? A lot of times I feel like this is also very pointed in.

gendered question when they're like, oh, did something happen to you to make you feel that way? Which I think they would not say to me if I was a man, but that's besides the point. That's for my other soapbox. But I was like, nothing ever had to happen to me. Like, I could just see terrible shit and not like it and say something about it. And when I talk to other people like that have been on the show or whatever, I've talked about how like I think a huge reason why my community loves me so much is not just because, you know, I make sillies and I tell them to eat my shit.

Because you're fucking funny. All of those things are very real and very true, and I mean that for real. I hope you choke on it. Yeah. But the main thing I think it is is like I validate their experiences good and bad, but obviously 90% bad on my page. But I validate not just their experience and their like, you know, sadness or their frustration, but I validate their anger.

Like I tell them it's okay if you want to be mad. It's okay if you want to swing back. Like it's okay if you want to say some shit back. Like you don't have to. to take that if you don't want to. That doesn't make you a bad person. That doesn't make you unlovable. That doesn't make you undesirable. That doesn't mean you're going to die alone. And even if you did, wouldn't you rather die alone than be with someone who fucking sucks? Like, I'd rather die alone. Happily. You know what I mean? I made peace with that.

Well, also like for not only like the voiceless, like I'm the kind of person who's like 24 hours later, I'm like, oh, fuck, I should have said this. You ain't another thing. You know what I mean? It's like so hard for me to in the moment because I'm so, I think I'm, my, my bleeding hot Yeah. It's so shook that someone would say something. It's not the thing that they said, I'm a Libra. Love that. My boyfriend's a Libra.

Love that. I love this for us. September or October. October 5th. Love that. Yeah, what about you and are you? October 21st. Okay, you're right on the cusp.

Almost a Scorpio. I love an October Libra. Me too. Me too. I'm so shook that you would say the thing that you said in the first place. It's not really what you said. Yeah. It's like, oh.

The fact that you chose to say it. I'm so taken aback by it that I can't I so for me to watch you and you say all the things that I wish that I could think of in the moment I'm like oh fuck yeah yeah come for him you know it's like that is validating and for someone who I think has a harder time putting those I it's really easy for me to speak joy into the world and it's it's more difficult for me to speak about my anger to speak about my hurt it's like more vulnerable almost like I'm yeah I want to be a conduit for good and for you know breeding positivity and making people feel safe with me and all of that. Absolutely. And so I, for the most part, like the thing that I think I have a very different experience than you in so many ways is because I, my whole fan base is literally like queer people. And for a long time, it was really exclusively queer men. And so like, I'm right at home. You know what I mean? Hey sisters. Like we're all just having everybody's so nice to me. Yeah. And so to be a little bit on the journey of like the more popular.

and visible you become. Yeah. It's like you leave a bubble. I've been in a very niche market for a very long time. And I was, I was, have been and still am so fucking lucky. Like people are so nice to me for the most pop. I love. And so it's like the one, you know, it would be a thousand comments that are nice.

And there's one comment that's like some person who doesn't follow me who just came here to like say, you know what I mean? I'm like, just for fun for them. And I'm like, this is fun to you? Like what's wrong with you? That's crazy. And it like, so the fundamental, like, actual experience of it of, like, someone having that much hate in their heart makes me, I'm like, I want to give you a hug. Like, honey needs a hug.

Like, honey needs mommy. And a job. And something better. Yeah. And a girlfriend. Yeah. Most likely. That's very valid.

And I also think that's very normal. Like, it's a very human experience to feel like empathy, at least for women. Right. So like women empathize to like the very, very end. And I forget I saw this one TikTok, this girl talked about this really famous feminist author. Her name is slipping my mind. But she said like when it comes to like if we're just operating within a gender binary, when it comes to like violence right against opposite genders, there's obviously a staggering difference

between violence that men inflict on women versus women on men. And why do you think that is? Like she was saying it's not because there's any shortage of weapons. in the world. It's literally because women have empathy. And like at the very, very end of it, they're still thinking about you. And like, they're still prioritizing you. And that's because that's what we've been conditioned to do for so fucking long. And that's just something that we now innately have because it's just been happening for thousands of years. That's been our job is to hold space for other people, especially men, especially cis straight white men.

So then I think that's another reason why my plan. platform is somewhere where they come to to validate all the other parts of their personality that they want to. And that's where I'm like, you hold space for them, but I'm going to hold space for you. Like when I hold space for you, that's for you to be angry, to be fucking mad, to be sad, to cry, whatever you want to feel. But most especially if you want to fucking yell at them and be mean to them because they're mean to you, you could do it on my page. Send it to me. I'll do it for you. Yeah. I'll take all those hits because I don't get the fuck. You're like, a million if you have tagged me in this video, I like

when TikTok as a whole is like, true, true, come get him. Like, it's like a fucking war cry. Like, it's just all, like, just my name. The woman king. Hundreds of times. Yeah, just hundreds of times. Even like, some men have like, they get in front of it.

Like they're like, they see all those and they're like, yeah, I don't give a fuck about that bad bitch. Fuck her, fuck her. I don't give a fucking she did. I hope she fucking does. And then I go, okay. And then I'll stitch it and I'll be like careful what you wish for. Hey, I'm glad we're both on a same team. don't report this video earlier, you said you wanted it.

And then they never mean that. That's never true. And I think it's because they just underestimate, like, how, well, first of all, how fucking hilarious women and other people are. Yeah. Like, they are so funny, arguably funnier than me. Yeah. So, like, if they

come to your page and they're right and hate, bitch, they're going to fuck you up as they should. Yeah. As they should. I taught them well. I also think it's, like, ingrained in women in a way to not want people, anybody to be afraid of you. Yeah. You don't want any, you're like, I have a big, very deep seated sort of like, because I'm big. Yeah. Like, there was like one specific childhood memory that I have that shaped

like a huge pot of, it's like the gentle giant thing of like, I, a teacher, like, I was, you know, play fighting with a kid and we were both involved in it. It was me and this girl in middle school, whatever. She's one of my really good friends. And we were both like kind of being silly, but because I'm big, the teacher was like, you're being a bully. Like, like, like, perceived the situation and was like you're big and scary and need to be like you know smaller yeah and also need to be like you know put in line and said like you can't you can't do this and it was like a very mutual thing that was it was totally a safe experience but from the outside it looked as though I was like big and scary and that is like very traumatizing for me as a kid being like

no I'm probably why I have big great day and thinks they're a Chihuahua vibes in my adult life Yeah. And so it's like, I think that you wear the like, yeah, be fucking afraid of me. Yeah. You should be. Don't say stupid shit then. Yeah. It's like really empowering because I think that's something that I have a lack of.

And that's what like draws me to you so much is because it like, it is really like, it lights a fire. And me and so many others, clearly. That tickles me pink. Yeah. When men are afraid of me. I love that. Yeah. That makes me a little giddy.

Even when I meet men in real life and they're like, yeah. Like I can tell when they're a little bit of. When they're creators, like especially. And like, I remember one time this guy came up to me at something and he was like, hey, like, big fan of your content. Like, congrats on the show. This is like a year ago. I was like, oh, thanks, man. I love your impersonation.

I don't get a lot of straight man coming up to me and being like big fan. Yeah. That never happens. Like one out of 50. I mean, TBAH same. Yeah. For very different reasons, but same. One out of fucking 50.

Right. And so like, I'm like, he's like, yeah, you know, I. you actually made a video about me. And I go, I made a video about you. I'm screaming. And then he goes, yeah, and I go, and you're a fan of mine. I'm screaming. Now, currently?

Or was? And then he was like, no, no. Like, I was just, like, I was just kidding around and, like, you know, like, I'm not a bad guy. I just, like, I made it, like, joke and it, like, got to the wrong side. And I was like, okay. Uh-huh. Interesting. And then he's like, yeah, you know, you know, it's, like, over-explanning because he's, like,

getting increasingly more uncomfortable because. because I'm refusing to make him comfortable. That's another thing too than I do. I do not make you comfortable. If you piss me the fuck off, I'm going to, I'm going to act as if you pissed me the fuck off. And I'm literally going to be very dead silent and very cold to you. And make you uncomfortable and I don't give a fuck.

Which is what women normally do. They like cushion the space and they try to be like, well, no, I totally get it. No, it's totally fine. Which is just like innate. It's just something that we do. Because we just don't want anyone to be uncomfortable and that's not a bad thing. Yeah.

But neither is standing up for yourself either. That's what I always tell people. It's like neither side is bad. Like if you feel disrespected and you want to say something about it, you have every right to. And men can do it all the fucking time and nobody cares. When I do it, I'm just a raging bitch. But like, it's just the double standard.

We live within it. We're two of the biggest bitches in Hollywood baby. And we... The two of us in Gwendolyn Christie. Two of the hottest men that exist on the planet are... And it's like so funny because it's like, yeah, Of course, because they see us for who we are, which is fucking beautiful. On the outside and on the inside.

Period. I said it takes a bad bitch to date a bad bitch. That's what I'm saying. So, like, when you have shit like the fucking Jonah Hill shit or Kiki Pomer's employee acting up, when you have shit like that happened, that's literally, that's literally because. Kiki Pomer's employee just fucking took me out. An extremely mediocre man dating a woman far above his pay grade. I'm telling you right now. I'm screaming. I'm screaming.

It happens every time and they turn. And you know what's crazy is that men like that convince women like them that they're equals. And they're like, okay, yeah, no, for sure, I believe you. Like, we're equals. And then when they start to see what a fucking star they are, like they start to see how they shine and how beautiful they are and they're magnetic and they attract attention, which is natural when it happens, right? They get insecure and then they take it out on her. And then what they do instead of like getting their own fucking bread up, like, getting your own job or your own house or your own Wi-Fi.

Instead of doing that, what they do instead is they try to stomp out her light, which that's the shit that pisses me the fuck all. Yeah. Because I'm like, if you're just not that girl, then date a mediocre person. A thousand percent. And by the way, there are a ton of people out there who are right for you who go like, I don't want all that attention. I want one man to give me my attention.

I don't want any of that. It's like, but you didn't, you wanted me. Yeah. And this is what I am. and I attract a different subsective whatever it is. And so it's like it takes a very, very secure man to let a woman shine for all that she is and step back and go look at her. I'm so proud to call her mine.

I'm so afraid that I'm not enough. And then instead of like fixing my own shit, like going to therapy or healing, instead of doing that, I'm going to take it out on you and try to like basically cut you down to my level so I don't feel intimidated, which is why I feel like the idea of emasculation or emasculating a man is a fallacy. I don't think that's real because you cannot emasculate someone who doesn't draw power from pushing you down. So you can't you literally can't do that to someone who does not feel good when you're lesser than them. Like they have to step on you in order to feel tall. Like that's not something like you it's not possible to do that to a man who doesn't feel the need to do that.

So I'm like my my boyfriend, for example, like doesn't feel good or powerful. by making me smaller than him, like, by making me shrink down so he can shine. Like, that doesn't make him feel good. Doesn't exist. He loves me because I shine no matter what. And that's like, that's an equal footing partner. Like, that's why I'm like, that's someone you should be with is someone who makes you feel proud to be who you are.

Like, they're proud of you. They're proud of you. And they act like it. And how proud are you of them then? Exactly. In return to be like, and now it's your time to go shine. And I'm so happy to support you and watch you. do do that. It's like, it doesn't just

have to be, you know, it's, it's so transparent also. That's the crazy part is that it's rare. Like, to have men, like, the ones that we have, that's rare, which is upsetting in an unfortunate reality, but it's true. And that's not something that ever needs to be, like,

rewarded, you know what I'm saying? Like, even, like, my boyfriend's like, I don't know because people are like, how do you just like let her be herself? And he's like, grow on a fucking no. Like, I just, I love her. I want her to be happy. It's like not like deep spiritual work for me to like allow.

So that you could let her live her life. I mean, I don't fucking know. That's why he's like, I've never felt the need to change her. Yeah. Because I don't care what other people like perceive to be like manly or what's not manly. That's so wild. Girl, I don't fucking. I'm like, you know what?

What's sad is that they feel they need to ask that question because it is so rare to find. to find straight men who are not awful. Yeah. And I get it. Trust me, I get it. Yeah. But that's why I've been through your fair share of sort of. Yeah.

I made this joke the other day. I was like, honestly, every girl has one. One that they like, all the red flags, eyes closed. Yeah. All fucking time. I didn't see anything. Everyone has one really bad one. Like really bad.

Where you're like, hey, that was like screaming in your fucking face. How did you not? One or several, but yeah. Yeah. Some people have more, but everyone has one really bad. one, like, where it was kind of like, that's kind of on me. Yeah. Like, I's, oh, that's my bad. Yeah. My bad. That's on me. I take that one, all the other ones that's not my fault. Yeah. And I think it also, like, it, you get, like, primed, right? You go through your life experience going, like,

okay, I liked a lot of this, but I didn't like this one thing. And so that's like, that outshines all this stuff. And so now I've learned this lesson here. And I think I really believe in, like, you tell the universe what you're ready for. Period. Me too. And so when you are, like, in a position where you continue to accept something that does not work for you and you know that it doesn't work for you. It's like your life will never grow to be the thing that you want it to be. You're never going to move past this point. You know, you cannot survive those relationships without losing part of yourself. And so the second that, especially women, but just humans go like, here's a line in the sand for me, actually.

Even if it's the scariest decision, the most painful decision, the most like kind of, confronting decision, especially for female-bodied people who feel as though they are unable to make those really confrontational things because we are bred to make other people feel safe. When you go, hey, this doesn't work for me, all of a sudden

in my experience, when I've made those huge decisions, the universe goes, finally. Yeah. Bitch? We've been waiting for years for you to say, no more so that we can give you what's next for you. Exactly. And I can't give it to you. If you're not

If you're not ready to say I, this is what I actually want. Yeah, you're not ready to receive it. Yeah. Yeah, I feel that so deeply. I've talked about that too, especially when you're dating man, unfortunately. And I've talked about too, like how sometimes I feel like, especially women, but literally anyone, like, when you're dating men is like, sometimes you pick people that you know are not good for you.

You know that. But you can predict the outcome. So you're like, we'll see, like, if they treat me like shit, I knew they were a bad person. and so it doesn't hurt me as bad to lose them. And you do that over. It's your idea of safe. Yeah, it's basically staying safe, settling, right? You're like, I'm with someone that doesn't scare me because, you know,

I don't want to feel scared and I don't want to be vulnerable like that. Because falling in love is an act of vulnerability. It truly is, especially with a man, but just in general. So I think, like, sometimes you make those choices actively because you're thinking to yourself, like, if this doesn't work out, then I was right. Yeah. Like, and if it does work out, well, I'm, well, I'm. I'm pleasantly surprised.

You know what I mean? And then you could predict the ending and then it doesn't hurt as bad. And I think that's something that you do to protect yourself and that's valid. But I also think, like you said, you'll never truly get there. Like you'll never get to where you've always wanted to be.

You'll never experience the love that you've always wanted because you're too afraid to walk out on a limb. And that's fair. Everyone moves out their own pace. Yeah. But at some point you're going to have to do it. And if I have to kick you off it, I will. Yeah.

It feels like it's such a fuck. cliche but it's like you're I mean I feel this way literally doing Broadway right now it's like a metaphor for my whole life of like it's probably the scariest thing I've done in a long time has to be that I love Broadway so I'm in awe of you I truly am it's so

Betty's in Haiti's town everyone yes I am baby and it's like something completely different to what I normally do I mean I perform so I have you know it's not as if I don't have experience in the thing but like I in you're an artist in your own way and I think that this is something that's particularly like for those people who have those artistic souls it's like you are we are searching for something that is greater that lights that spark in you yeah and so the only way that that spark gets lit is fear yeah trying something now and it's like I have goosies because it's like

like it has been sort of this crazy experience but like you know I spent I've spent 10 years like performing Betty Who shows and like I have the best time and I love it and tour performing is what lights me up and that is my number one favorite thing to do on the planet. But I also know, I know what that's going to feel like. Yeah. I know exactly what that show feels like. I know exactly what it feels like being in the green room. I know exactly what it feels like off to the show. Cool. I've done it a million times and that it makes it very safe. Yeah. And so to be in a position now where I get to find this whole new depth and level of that thing, the only way that that I could like ascend to it is to put myself in like the most truly vulnerable position being

like, cool, I'm going to sit here and sob all through Act 2. I'm acting, and I hope that it doesn't look horrible. Do you believe me? I don't know. I hope so. I guess I'm going to find out. Can I do this? That's truly so fucking cool.

And fall on my fucking face. And I will, and I have already. You know what I mean? It's like, and then you go cool. Like, I don't know. I just, I keep reminding myself, like, the first of one of the first weeks of rehearsal I was like, how do people do this? Full imposter syndrome, like losing my fucking mind.

Like, I cannot believe I said yes to this. I feel like a fucking idiot. And I was like reasoning with myself one night in bed being like, you are not most people. True. Like you are sitting being like, how do those be on the other side of the fence being like, how do those people do it? How are they capable? And it's like the only thing that's holding me back from being on the other side of the fence

with those people doing the thing is my own mentality, my own fear. Absolutely. And my own like insecurity about myself and what I'm really capable of. Yeah. And so to be like, cool, I'm actually not on this side of the fence. I'm going to like quietly let myself back onto the other side and go, cool, I'm over here. I'm with these people. If, you know, I'm meant to be here.

If I wasn't, the universe wouldn't have put this in my path. Exactly. So I just say, I'm just trying to, the more I do this and maybe I don't, if you're having the same experience, like, I'm letting go in a big way of being like, this is what it's supposed to be like, this is what it's supposed to, this is what it's supposed to be. This is how it's supposed to feel. Yeah. Trying to force myself into like a box of the thing that I'm experienced. as opposed to actually experiencing what's really happening. I feel that.

And following. And so now, like, when I got the call about Hades Town, I was like, okay, universe, wild vibe. Very unexpected. Okay. Like, Big Girl upstairs knows more about what I need than I do, apparently. So I'm, like, fully detaching and going, like, cool, you just send me on your way and tell me where I'm supposed to be. And I'll go bring my best self to it and hope I can change hearts and minds and make someone feel

something. Yeah, that's so amazing. I honestly feel, like, me personally, I'm like, nothing ever happens to me by accident. Yeah. Like, everything happens on purpose for a reason. And, like, before I started doing this, I got fired for my, what I believed to be my dream job. I was like, I worked my ass off to get that job. I aspired to it.

I got it. It's in my dream place. And it was just, it was working sports. Okay, great. I worked for a very big football conglomerant. Okay. You guys can put the pieces together. letters. I worked for them. That was my dream job. I wanted it so fucking badly and I got it. And it was a

nightmare working there. And then I got fired at the end. And when I got fired, I was so, I'm a Virgo. So I was very, very, when's your birthday? September 18th. Okay. Coming up soon. Two seconds, babes. Yes. I love this for you. Very exciting. And I, how are you celebrating? I honestly don't know where the fuck I'll be even tomorrow. So. Right. And whenever they're like, what are you doing on your birthday? Sounds like you're in the middle of fashion week. Yeah. By the way. Being like, huh? Where am I? I'm like, you're looking. I'm alive right now. That's all I'm going to say about that. I interrupted you. I'm sorry. So you were not having a great time and you were like, oh, my God.

Yeah, I just felt like. Were you devastated? Yeah, absolutely. I had never experienced something not going to the exact plan that I curated. And if it did, if plans faltered, I had backup plans. And I had backup. I did not have a backup plan for getting fired because I'd never planned on getting fired, obviously. Who does? Yeah. They asked me, never come back. And I was like, what does that mean? Isn't it funny? Because you were like, cool, I could be, this is the dream job. So this is, I've reached the peak of the thing that I think in my head movies. Yeah.

Is what my life is supposed to be. And the universe was like, bitch. You're wrong. You think? I had many opportunities to leave and I didn't. I kept saying, I'll leave in a little. I'll leave in a little. I think that's so interesting.

I literally, I like, if I'm being honest, I wasn't going to leave. Like, I kept telling everyone I was because they knew how miserable I was. Like, my family saw how violently depressed I was working there. but I was just like I need to get like a plan together and then like once I have a plan and then I'll leave I didn't have a plan I had no

intention of getting a plan No I tell myself that but that was a lie and if I didn't get fired I'd probably still be doing that now or trying to anyway And that's why I always like to say The universe had a better plan for me but I wasn't moving fast enough so they fucking kicked me off that shit They were like okay well guess what you're fired

And so two weeks after I got fired The pandemic hit So once the pandemic hit then my boyfriend encouraged me to start posting on TikTok because I was like so lost. I had never felt such a lack of sense of self. I felt so confident in who I was. But then I realized in the arm in therapy and I've diagnosed my mental illnesses that I tied a lot of my worth to my external accomplishments. Like that's how I sought validation. It wasn't through men. Very human. Yeah, it was very much so being the best at literally everything. Everything I tried, I'm like, I'm going to be the best.

Everything I put my mind to I'm going to succeed at, that's like how I sought validation. Yeah. So this was the one thing in my entire life that did not work out, not only the way I planned, but it went down at fucking flames. And so I was like, I need like something else to like focus all my energy on because I didn't know what I was going to do. Isn't it so interesting too that your boyfriend encouraged you to do it? I told me. The beginning of the thing that has now changed your life and has like created this whole world for you that makes men mad. Yeah. Was like the fire was lit under your ass by a really secure man.

If you have a problem with me Beyond TikTok, take it up with him. It's his fault. Talk to my boyfriend. Yeah, that's his fault. Speaking of TikTok, we're going to talk about some TikToks because obviously, as you can tell

from the first fucking 40 minutes of this episode, talking about being tall, powerful women and how that threatens misogyny. Period. Because it goes against gender norms, and again, gender is not real. Look it up. So here's the first video.

This first one is the man on this podcast. Oh, bad start. It's super upset and arguing with a woman about how men are ridiculed online if they're not tall enough. He says, some of the best fighters on the planet are under six feet tall, some of the best Marines. Okay.

Jeff Bezos. He's scruping. He also says men rejecting women for having a high body count is biologically valid, but women rejecting short men is not. Hold on. So much to unpack. I have so much to say about this. First of all.

Right. some of the best fighters, why is violence the first thing you think of? I'm screaming. Because it's like they are dominant and physical. And that means that they are real men. Right. To which I say, are you one of those men? No, right.

So I guess you're useless fucking woman like me. Yeah. Yeah, you get in line, bitch. You know what I mean? That's one. Some of the best Marines, first of all, some of the Marines I've met are some of the worst human beings I've ever met in my entire life. Because I lived in Hawaii for a while and they have a huge Marine base. there. Girl,

some of those men are... Especially because, again, you're a big woman. Not too. We're big people. And if this is your insecurity, it's so transparent. And then all of a sudden you're having this, like, the same experience over and over again. I think I've only met a handful that I've been, like, nice people. But for the most part, a lot of the men I've met are...

Also, like, again, you're, like, resorting to something that's, like, fighting and guns. Your job also doesn't mean that you're a good person. Like it doesn't matter. That's like, I don't understand. I don't understand the points that are being made. You know how to shoot a gun and that means you're worthy of respect. That's weird. Yeah.

That's another thing I think you should check in with a therapist. Like, hey, why do I think about that? I feel like mutual respect for people regardless of their gender is like what makes you a respectable person question mark. Why do that one have gun? Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Right.

Okay. Got it. Okay. Okay. I think I get it. I think I'm with him now. Got it. Okay, okay, totally.

Gun equals, okay, cool, cool, cool. It's just like, my job is beach, like my job is gun. I'm scruving. My job is gun, so I guess that's really all I need to say. You have a resume just says gun on there. Oh my gosh. Hired immediately. Yeah, sure.

Best employee. And he says men rejecting women for having high body count is biologics. This one is the one that makes me really mad. That's the funniest. I've talked about that so many times how, like, they act, I forget, it's pair bonding. That's what they always talk about, biology. Parabonding is literally a theory that was created by people who study birds. I'm screaming.

Birds, bitch. Not humans. Birds, birds. And you know what's so crazy is like their understanding of pair bonding is literally that female birds have multiple male partners over their lifetime. Every single mating cycle, they pick someone else to ensure the survival of their bloodline or their species. Yeah.

Right? That's their animal instinct. Birds. Birds, bitch. Birds, by the way. Birds. But even a fucking bird whose brain is this big, literally picks the strongest mate. That means like the biggest, the strongest, the healthiest.

If you're small, if you're weak, if you're sick, they're not going to fucking pick you because they're going to healthy babies. Yeah. Yeah. So you're wrong, especially about like they don't do that in nature. They don't pick, they don't pick like short guys in nature. That's actually not true. I'm screaming.

hilarious isn't it? It's so funny how you guys just regurgitate pseudoscience and all of a sudden it's real because like some bald bitch on a podcast said it and then they're like, has to be real. Jordan Peterson said it wrong. I don't understand like what about a woman's height or stature has anything to do?

Do you know what I mean? Like that and then like, well biologically. It's like a plus B does not equal apple. I'm so confused. Well, it's not my fault. Your genetics are whooping your ass bitch. Take that up with God. I don't know why she hates you.

I don't know why her. and you're Barbara Higgan. I have a hunch. I mean, I have a hunch. But I don't know. Take it up with her. Yeah. I just always think like, you're getting mad at me because you got the short end of the signal pun intended.

That's not my fault. I'm screaming. That's not my fault, bitch. But also, like, why are you so mad? That's the real question. Why does me existing make you so mad? I don't know, man. I'm just like, I got too much going on up here to, like, to, like.

care that much about people that don't affect me or my life. Also get some fucking platform boots, honey. I would love to see you in a heel. Work it, bitch. Get an apple box. I don't care. I don't give a buck. Tom Cruise. Fucking, that's my guy right there. That's my short king. He married Nicole Kidman. He doesn't give him. He doesn't care. You know what I'm saying? Like, it doesn't have to be that serious. No, literally. That's what I'm like, you, you overcomplicate things. Like men like that overcomplicate things far too often. Who are some short kings that we love? Joe Jonas is a short king that I really ride for. I mean, give. in the recent news.

Don't know. Jury's out. TPD. I have met the Jonas Brothers, though. They are very small. They are small. When I tell people that they're shocked, they're like, really? I'm like, yeah, you can tell by looking at that.

You can smell it. We can smell it. That's what I'm saying. That's exclusive to us. But like, I could tell that they were small, but most people can't. Yeah. And when I say small, I mean, smaller than me. But like, I think Kevin's the tallest and he's probably like five, seven-ish.

I don't know. Yeah. Don't look up hide online. It's fucking wrong. I'm telling you right now. It's always wrong. Mine says I'm 5'4. That's absolutely insane.

Yeah. What's insane? What for? And you know what? The website that it's written on has a bunch of grammatical errors. So I'm like, why are you listening to this? I'm absolutely screaming. But like they are shorter when I met them.

I look like Shaquille O'Neal in that room. Oh, thousand percent. I can't even imagine you sending this. Speaking of Shaquille O'Neal, the only picture that I look like a tiny, tiny sexy little baby is me and Shaquille O'Neal. We did a prom pose. I love that. I was guest, I was the guest band on Watch What Happens Live, Andy Cohen at South by Southwest many, many years ago. And Shaq was a guest. And I remember so specifically Andy Cohen being like asking he had questions for him on the thing. And then at the end he just goes, Shaq, how big is your dick? He just was like,

and Shaquil takes his shoe off and just puts it because he's like a size, you know, whatever, 106. And he just put the shoe and it's this long And he just puts it on his leg And everybody screams And we took pictures after And I was like I'm inclined to believe him Hannah

I look Like a baby You look like Never in my Never in my life Have I looked like a baby You look like 12 year old You again

Shaquille O'Neal Thank you Thanks daddy Okay some of the comments On this video This one says Yes women hate short men For some reason

Explain why I can't because I love them How much time to have I can tell you I'm just kidding. I only hate men. I only hate short men who are awful, and many of you are. I don't know why.

I mean, I know why. I just don't know why you continue to lean into it, the stereotype. Yeah. I mean, listen, I can't relate because I ride for a short king who doesn't give a fuck about a tall girl. You know what's crazy is most tall women do. Ride for a short thing. Like, shockingly, like honestly, like what you said earlier about some of your friends who are like, I only want to date men.

Nine times out of ten, that's a short girl. roll. Yeah. And like nine times out of ten. Hannah, you hear me? My fucking friend Hannah is dating this guy, Daniel, who we love. Daniel is six foot seven. And whenever anybody, any of my friends come to a show, I'm like, where are my friends? There's Daniel. I see him. It's actually kind of nice because he is like the beacon of where I know where they're standing in the crowd. That's my boyfriend. But he's five, three. And it's like, great. I mean, good for you. That's what you, that's what you wanted. And she, she's spoken into existence. Our whole friendship, she's been like, I just want someone who is twice my size. I mean, go off, bitch. Good for you. And that's why I'm like, if that's what

somebody wants and you're not that, then find somebody who wants you. That's okay. We can all do like. Like when we talk a preference, it can't be something based in bigotry. And that's what they always, they're like, well, I don't want a fat bitch. Now we're crossing into different territory, bed. Like that's different. And also, you have a gap in your teeth. Like, you have bigger problems. Like, I don't know why you're talking about people being fat. Like, go see an orthodontist. I don't know what to tell you. But, like, that's different. But, like, Like, that's why I'm like, men who say that shit are like, first of all, thugly, but second of all, awful. Like, on top of that.

Because it's like, it's like, it's not about your height is not why women won't date you. Period. That's what we came here to say. That's not saying, that's like the, that's like at the very bottom of a hundred reasonless. And for you to say that this is the whole reason is because I'm shortened. It's like, no, it's because you're being a dick. Yeah, you're honestly. You're not being honest with yourself.

Like, not even a little bit. Like, you're probably because I'm too nice. another one. Yeah, you're right. When I see a man and they're nice to me, I'm like, ew. You know what I'm saying? Like, I do that to men regardless, but like, especially when I'm going to talk to me in public, I'm like, what? I'm interested to know how men react to you, like, on the street in public. I mean, like, now after everything that's happened. I don't really get anything, to be honest. Great. Great. Again, I think it's because, like, they obviously, like you said earlier, they talk real crazy behind anonymous screens. Like, that empowers them. Because people aren't,

that crazy in real life. Most people don't say 99% of the things they get sent online in the real world because you would get slapped by somebody. And if they do, they were at the Capitol in January 6th. So they got bigger issues. You know what I'm saying? They're under investigation currently. So don't worry about that.

But like I literally, when I do see men in row, like, and I also think they don't understand how big I am, like physically and tall. Like I'm literally, they see me and they're like, God damn. Yeah. Like they can tell how big I am. Like, yeah. And my boyfriend's big too. Especially if you two are walking around together too.

You're like, say something. Yeah, that's why I'm like, they never say anything to me, but I don't run in circles with the awful fucking men. So, like, that's another reason. I don't come into that problem a lot because I don't hang out with people I fucking hate. So, you know, every man I do interact with, the few straight men that are in my life and are friends with me, are friends with my boyfriend. They have their own loving relationships.

They're good men. Like, they're good guys. Like, that's why I'm like, period. Love that. Yeah. And it turns out I'm not mean to you when you're not awful. Yeah. It's like crazy. It's such a like crazy pot of the like population of the internet because it's like in real life I'm like I love all these men in my life because they're kind and generous and and sweet men who aren't like completely transparently insecure to the point that it's ruining the relationships in their life. Even my dad like I well first of all I forgot to bring this up. So I'm sorry Amanda I need to tell up bring this up really quick.

Amanda's like you have to you have to wrap it up. You're from Australia. so many men hate me there. Ooh, I've kicked that horn and it says so many times. Sometimes I'll just go and I'll be like, what's going on in here? I'll go in there, I'll fuck it up, and then I'll revisit them in like three months. I'm so glad that you brought this up because I have had such an interesting experience. It's crazy. Growing up in Australia looking like me.

Yeah. I truly have never felt more, like, less valuable. That's crazy. Because of culture in a really interesting way. and when I go back to Australia, I'm super tricked. Like, I am like turned, because I'm very confident. I'm very comfortable with who I am. And I go back to Australia and I turn into like an insecure 10-year-old again

because I feel like men truly do not look at me twice. And I'm used to being looked at a lot. First of all, which I enjoy. And so it's very strange to me that men just, like, won't give me the time of day. I'm like, huh. And I do believe it's because I do not fit. And especially in Sydney, like, there is a, that's where I grew. up so I can only speak to that.

There is a certain type of woman that looks a very certain type of way in Australia. And it kind of reminds me in L.A.'s kind of similar to that. I feel like I know the energy, like the vibe. It's a different, because it's not as sort of like Kardashian-based. L.A. is very like Kardashian-coated. Yeah, I feel you. And listen, I ride for the whole K-Klan. Listen, those are my girls.

I'm in on it. So it's like this is not, this is no tea, no shade. Yeah. But I get what you're saying. Angeles culture is very based off of like there is an archetype and people are trying to conform to that thing and it doesn't look the same in Sydney but there is that same thing and it's like blonde skinny. I picture like Blue Crush. You know that movie? One trillion percent. Exactly that by the way, sexual awakening. Blue Crush. By the way. That's the girl. Whoa. She is the girl. But that's the girl. And it was so interesting, especially growing up six foot when I was 12. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Like my I moved to America when I was 15. and I went to art schools.

It was very queer. It was very different. You know what I mean? It was like truly from A to C. 180, yeah. Different ends of the spectrum. And I realized culturally how much more I feel like I fit in here because tall poppy is really, the tall poppy, like, culture in Australia, where it's the tallest poppy is the first one to get cut down. So that's what we call tall poppy syndrome.

Yeah. And so I feel as though, like, moving to America, the fact that I was kind of like silly and loud and like a silly goose and like knee slapping all the time. I was like, oh, these are, I feel much more comfortable doing that here. Yeah. Because I've felt very other in Australia in a way that I. Which is crazy to me. I don't think I could process or understand as at a young age.

And now when I go back there, I'm like, whoa. That is so interesting to me. And I have a huge, I have a huge fan base. Like outside of the U.S., the second country that's the biggest fan base is Australia. And I know why now. Yeah, speaking of a voice for women who feel voiceless. I literally know. I don't know what the fuck is in the water down there, but like the men are like,

like that movie Gremlin's like you fucking get them wet and they're like, it's so bad. It's bad. I can't even tell you. I have torn down like hundreds of Australian men and they just keep multiplying like roaches. And it's crazy. And they are crazy. Like the shit they say is just absolutely.

insane to me. I cannot believe they're so much older. They're like, because you know, like here, I mean not that there's any age that men stop being a fucking dickhead if they're an awful person, but like here a lot of times it's in a certain age range that I kind of figure like that's where they sit.

It's like an immaturity. Yeah, it's like they're like fresh out of like puberty. Fresh in college and they're feeling themselves because they're fucking 19. Totally. But like, I'm not Australia. It's like consistently through all ages. I cannot believe it. It's honestly shocking to me. I guess I just knew very little about Australia,

but like, I did not think it was like that down there. And they fucking hate me. Like, I have, I have so many ops in Australia. It's crazy. You must be very triggering Australia to those people. It's bad. And every time I make those jokes, I have like my Australian fans, they'll message me and they're like, no, it's not a joke. It's really bad. It's like worse than you think. Yeah, they're like, it's 10 times worse than you think. Like, what you see online is like the very, very tip of the iceberg, which is truly insane to me. And also, the Australian man I've torn down. Those are some of my biggest videos I've ever had.

Wow. And they were committed to me. Like they, one guy, like, he made like 17 videos about me. He tried to, like, rally people against me. And that's so. And all I said was that he had a size eight shoe. Turns out I was right. I'm screaming.

Got hit a shot in the dark and I hit him. I'm screaming. I don't think I realized how bad it was when I was living there. Until you have the, like, stark contrast. Yeah. And different experience of being valued for my otherness. And I was lucky because I went to an high school and like have surrounded myself with artists who are different and can celebrate that value that. And so to then go back when I was a little bit older, I was like, oh, I've always felt really out of place here.

Oh, so I was right. As far as like relationship as being a female body person to my relationship to men. Yep. And it's just really, and it's again, like I don't want to say like I have many great Australian male friends who are wonderful and don't present all of those qualities. but like culturally it's 100%. And it's very normal. Yeah. And like not to say it's not bad here because it is.

But I think it's just like a different level of intensity. And I don't think I would have ever known that had I not done this for a living because I've seen it. Well, you're so confronted by it now. You're like, oh, well, it's just I'm so exposed to it now. And I'm on like some of the worst Australian men in the world hate me and they live there. And I remember too like one guy, I made a video about him. and it was, it did really well, and he, like, would not stop talking about me for, like, six months. It was a long time.

Like, I really made him very, very angry. And that's so great. It's like, me thinks the lady doth protest too much. Do you know what I mean? I'm like, well, I would say that too about as fucking fat. Like, they say that shit about me. Who's obsessed with who? So I'm saying, change that profile picture to a picture of me because you're a fan account.

You know what I mean? A thousand percent. You're doing promo for me. Yeah. Yeah. I'm fucking BTS at this point. Your back is to the sun and I can see the plaque on your teeth. Like, you have bigger problems, babe.

Like, get a water. pick you know what I'm saying ginger vitis worry about that like I will get it for you for Christmas yeah yeah I mean you've given me enough you've given me enough so maybe I can do this for you yeah we're not in medieval time so don't brush your teeth like we are you know what I'm saying which is not at all yeah um but anyways

that's gonna do it for this episode but before we sign off what would you say is your best piece of like advice whether it's about like loving yourself or whatever especially from a tall bitches out there who are struggling to come to terms of their height because I'm sure you get this a lot but I've gone a lot of women have really come into their own

dressing like how they want and feeling confident about being tall because I did hate myself for being tall for a very long time but now I love being tall Isn't that so sad? It is sad I wasted so much time I want to say a lot of time

it's like throughout high school but like once I came into it and I discovered platforms I was like period really quick when I did the Oscars and I interviewed on the carpet which was so fucking fun by the way. It was so great. I was like,

I want you to do it every year. You and me both. Yes. Did you hear that Oscar? When I changed shoes, I like, because I obviously can't stand in heels for like six hours, but when I change, I have these really big platform crocks. Oh my God. And I brought those to wear and I was like, I brought those because I want to still be tall. But like, like some, not that I'm not going to be taller than everyone even on my bare feet, but like, or like a flat shoe, but I wanted to be extra

tall. Yeah. Because I love being tall. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because now we've embraced it. Yeah. So what would you say? your best piece of advice for those who are still working to embrace their tallness and love it? One of the best pieces of advice that I was ever given that I think applies to a lot of different stuff is to go where the energy goes. And what I mean by that is I've spent a ton of time, we kind of talked about this earlier, like trying to force yourself into relationships with people who don't value the best pots of you, trying to force myself into parts of my career that felt like it was where I was supposed to be, not where I actually was.

And so the second that I let go of my sort of preconceived and also sort of, you know, the things that I have in my brain that society has told me are supposed to be a certain way. You and I were born outside of that. Period. I feel this way about queerness as well. Like when you are born the way that you are and you feel the way that you are about the person that you feel the way about, to know that that's who you are and that's who the big girl upstairs, God,

whatever you want to call it the universe, intended you to be when you stop running from that and start to embrace it and start to go like, cool, this is what I have to work with. What if instead of trying to hide it, I actually value, what makes me the most different and myself, why don't I try investing in those things

instead of trying to outrun them? Or change them. You never will, especially for us. Yeah, shit. Especially for us big bitches. there doesn't seem to be a surgery the opposite of the kneecap, you know, extension surgery

where we're getting smaller anytime soon. And so, like, an example of how it works is like I literally spent my first three albums trying to be, like, tiny perfect pop girl because that's what I grew up watching and thinking that that was what was valuable to people and I wanted to be that. There was like a formula for it.

It's not even that, I mean, other people wanted me to be it as well, but I wanted it. I wanted to be, Britney Spears. Yeah. And the second that I was like, oh, what if I'm me and not Britney Spears. And I wrote a record called Big that's literally about embracing all of the kind of pots of me that I've historically thought were the worst pots of me. Period. And wrote songs for that instead of for outrunning them and writing songs to hide those things. Yeah, absolutely. It's like was my most successful record to date and has been like the best year of my life and has drawn. And you know what I love about?

it has brought women to me. I've been me and the gay boys. Me, me and the gays have been holding it down for 10 fucking years, bitch. We're waiting for y'all to join the party. We have been waiting for the women. I love women. I want to support women. I've also really, I really want to write music for women. I want to make women feel amazing about themselves. It's something that I'm much more committed to now in my, you know, as I've reached this part of my life, because I was being so hateful towards myself. And so I think I wasn't supporting women by not supporting myself. Yeah. in that way. And so now that I'm like, have embraced me and I'm trying to get, like the number of women who come to me now and they're like, this speaks to me because of this. I'm like, fuck, yes,

you're a queen. Yes, you're so fucking beautiful and amazing and you should feel awesome and be loud and be whatever you want to be. And so I think that going where the energy flows. Because the energy was due, I was like hitting my head against a brick wall being like, why aren't I Britney Spears? Yeah. It's like, oh. Because there's only one. Oops. But there's only one Betty Ho too. that's what I'm saying. Period. So I love that. And you're just like me for real.

I love women so much. Yeah. And I support them and I ride for them. And unless you're a pick-mey, but if you are, we're going to work on it in therapy. Yeah. Fix it. Immediately fix it. I'm never going to be mean to you like I'm mean to men because they deserve it and oppression and all that.

But at the same time, fix it. Because I always think like life is so colorless without women. Oh my gosh. And we need each other. Love and warmth of women. Yeah. So special. And the gays, always.

Listen. And anyone else who doesn't fit in any box. Yeah. Love you all. That's like my favorite part about my demographic. Like my demographic is literally like 964. Yeah. Period.

That's sick. Some people ask me like, how do I change my demographic? I'm like, oh, it's really quite simply. You just make them fucking hate you. It's kind of how I did it. Personally, that was my journey, but do it how you will. Yeah. I was like, I spent about like, I spent like six, six, seven years being like 90% men,

10% women. That's crazy. Queer men. Yeah. And so we were rocking and rolling and now it's like 60 40, 60 women. And I'm like Come here, girls. Yeah. We're having a cool fun time. Let's go, lesbians. Yes, especially. I mean, listen, I get it. I'm with you. I love it. I love you so much. I'm really

grateful. I love this for us. Period. Y'all, make sure you go stream all of Betty Who's music, including her new single big and also go see her and Hades Town. Yeah. On Broadway,

bitch. Yes, if you weren't so busy with Fashion Week, I'd say you should come see the show. Listen, Betty, I am not saying that I will not skip out on stuff for your show, but I will skip out on stuff for your show. You're going to text me, we'll figure it out. If it works, it works. You guys heard it. She can't take it back now because she said it on camera.

Thank you so much. I'm obsessed with you. I love you so much. You're amazing. Where can everybody find you? At Betty Who, Babes. My Instagram and TikTok. Love.

And like I said, go stream all her music. music and go see her in Hades Town. Playbill certified. It's pretty crazy. Is not the coolest thing ever seeing yourself in a Playbill? The theater, the day that opening night was, they have these, you know, each week they get their stacks of playbills. And I saw them, you know, they were tied up with twine like it was fucking newsies. And I literally, I like ripped one open and I was like, trying to find my, and seeing my face there, especially under Lilius White, who is like, one of the original fates from Hercules. Fucking awesome. Who puts the glad and gladiated. That's insane. It is so crazy to share the stage with her. So, so many incredible

performers every night and so I was just like I'm so honored and I'm so excited about this chapter. I'm honored to know you. Oh, feeling is mute, babe. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you very amazing. Thank you all for tuning in to this episode of the comment section. Don't forget new episodes drop every Wednesday.

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