The Creep Off - Episode 147: Third Time's the Harm

Episode Date: January 9, 2023

This week Karl and Vinnie explore the world of people who think they know how to fix everyone else, Self-Help Gurus. We also make a big announcement for our patrons: In WATC we meet a true crime host who just can't handle a negative review: In the Scum Parade we meet an employee clearly faking sick, the first baby thrower of the new year and a father who gave his entire community a valuable lesson read the stories here: 

Hey everyone, welcome to Trevor Lawrence's favorite podcast, Parolees and Playoffs. The rules are simple, listen, then head over to the subreddit and vote for your favorite host. After five losses, a loser must spin the dread wheel of consequences, which includes funny consequences, such as driving to Gary, Indiana, or letting Carl handle all your gambling. Last week, just like the Dolphins, was a wild card. Vinnie's creep murdered a couple people, and then decided to rough up the tight end. No, I don't feel good about that joke. Carl's creep, on the other hand, murdered four women who could have had. great wide receivers, but we'll never know.

Anyways, that's all I got for this week. Tucker, out. Attention parents, what you're about to see is not suitable for kids. Shoot, it's not even suitable for some grown-ups. You might want to walk away now if you ain't into these type of things. I'm going to give the people what they want.

Sensation. Horror, shock. I'm going to deliver the goods because I'm alive, and I'm not backing down. Cuckoo! You can do it. It's all up to you and kind. With a little plan you can change your life to die. You don't have to spend your life addicted to smack. Homeless on the streets giving hand jobs for crack.

What the hell is it supposed to be? Disgusting Disgusting Vomit-vobmit-inducing thing Ola creepbos and welcome to this playoff of the Creep Offs. We're talking about playoffs.

Hey everybody, we're not going to talk about sports, but I'm just going to put it to you this way. This Sunday at 1 o'clock Eastern time, it's the Creeper Bowl. It really is. It's a problem. Bills versus the Dolphins in the Wild Card Weekend. I got to tell you, man, it's going to be the wildest of cards, maybe even wilder than last week's episode.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. And which, by the way. What happened last week? I won. You got 72 to 62 vote. I did. Motherfucker.

What an asshole. And my name is Vinny, by the way, that's Carl. I know. We're getting right into it today. Congratulations, Vinny. Two wins this week. Oh, yeah. I guess so.

So what's the score in this round? Because I just spun the wheel. Is I down one nothing? It is officially one. Okay. Vinny, Carl, zero. All right. I've got to get back in the winning mode.

Have you thought? anything about your itinerary for Gary, Indiana. I have. I have given it some thought. So I spun the wheel last week and spun drive to Gary Indiana. What it doesn't say is where you have to start from. I am not driving my car from Rochester, New York to Gary, Indiana. But what I will do is go enjoy a Cubs game or two at Wrigley Field, grab a rental car, and head down to Gary.

So what's the baseball season starts? I hope you fucking drunk drive into a fucking mouth. into a mountain? I don't care what it is, just into something. So you're going to go to Chicago and have a good time and then you're going to drive to Gary and then go back to your hotel in Chicago. Well, I'm not saying I'm going to do it right after the Cubs game gets done. I'm just saying when to go to Chicago, if I'm like vacation, I'll go to a Cubs game or two

and then I'll also carve out some time to go to Gary. Either that or I'll just put a green screen up next to my car and fake it. I don't know. We'll see. One of those things is going to happen, though. folks feel free to respond to that however you want to that's uh that's carl's plan for his consequence is to have a nice vacation in chicago well if i got to go to gary indiana i'm going to drive for chicago and i'm from rochester are you insane it's kind of the consequence

i am i'm still fucking doing the consequence asshole oh so wait a second so if you had gotten that are you going to tell me that you wouldn't have stopped at every toy shop along the way and done a little shopping for wrestling figures don't actually you can't have a little bit of fun. Not everyone. You even ate pizza when you were working at the pizzeria. Like, it's not just punishment. There's some fun of it, too.

You got to look for the silver lining whenever you're dealing with the consequence. I agree, Carl. Yes, I like Chicago. I like the cost. But I feel like maybe what you ought to do. And I think really the thing that would be in fairness to the spirit of the show. Okay. Would be for you to drive from Rochester.

The balls on you. To talk about the spirit of the show. And that's cheating. with the cheating that you've done over the years, sir. What cheating? Wow. Listen to this. Listen to this.

We got all the voting on the Reddit where he wants it. Don't add like you have some integrity all this on. And I kick your ass. Straight up and down the hall, baby. Yeah, I know. That's a problem. We got to get people voting. We're going to get the Couseroo's ignited.

Oh, Jesus Christ. So I feel like you should drive to Gary and then go to Chicago and have your pallet cleanser with the Cubs. I feel like that's fine. But I don't think. you get to drive to Chicago, go have a good time, run over to Gary, go back to Chicago and have more fun. Vinny doesn't feel right to me.

Doesn't sit. You and I have been on business trips together. Yeah. For, uh, why you call that? Yes, live, live podcasting. All right. What do you know about me when it comes to these trips? I don't see you in there.

I do not drive. I never, I always fly there. I do not like being in a car for more than an hour. It's not going to happen. So I'm going to fly to Chicago. go and then drive to Gary. All right. That's the plan anyway.

We'll see. All right, Carl. We'll let the listeners deal with you. Tucker wants to know if we have a chairman. Do we need to have this settled somehow? I think Frisker Whisker. Creep off course is the commissioner. Oh, Carter was promoting the new podcast.

Yeah, he certainly is. Well, I don't even know if this is going to last past one episode. What's going to happen this evening is going to be either a spectacular failure. or monumental success. I like the premise. I think it's brilliant. Yeah. Like he asked me out of nowhere.

I really, okay. For those who you don't know, I'll do it real quick. Troy Smith made some great art. There it is. He's the best. He really is the greatest. Subreddit surfing is going to be.

So wait a second. Am I saying that Cardiff is fucking packing? Yeah. Jesus Christ, this potatoes got the biggest hog I've ever seen. Okay. Yeah. So the plan is we are going into a undisclosed subreddit.

but I will tell you this, the subreddit that I discovered for this, if you're a creepoff fan, you're going to enjoy the results. We have posted a link in that page for people just to join us on a stream yard. So anyone who just naturally happens to be in that Reddit can come in and have a conversation with us about what the fuck they're doing there. That's hilarious. I love that. That's funny. Hopefully it works out.

I mean, this is kind of a wild card. Yeah. So we're not going to tell anybody where we're going to be. We're going to redo this live tonight. We'll see what happens. So it should be fun. Cardiff is a brilliant guy. I enjoy doing this.

What time are you doing it? 8 p.m. Eastern. It's going to be on Carter's channel. I'll tweet out the link later. So make sure you're following me. Have any following you know. Cam Critical says, bring Petty C C Cups to Stutter Slam. I want to hear him go off on Zumach.

That would be awesome. Should we give him an invitation to come to DabbleCon? Of course. Are you really asking me if we should invite Patrick Michael to something? He just recently brought up. He's got a thing with Zubak. He's like, wow, okay. Why?

Did Zumach like contact him? No, he goes, I don't want to be talking about Brendan Scha, but you guys don't know who that is. I was like, I do. I'll watch your show where you make fun of Chad Zumach. Come on, Patty. Let's go. These worlds, man, are just fucking.

It's crazy. It's like the MCU. Yep. It's like we got Peter Parker for freaking Toby McGuire over there. Well, we tried to. Patrick Michael over here. We tried to recast Patrick Michael. Then, I don't know.

Contract negotiations started up again and now he's back in the fold. I think you should. I think you should, if you Patrick Michael gets replaced by anybody, it should be the Spaz kid. Oh, that one podcast. Yeah, that guy's great. It's fucking Beavis. All right, folks, I digress. Miami's going to be Buffalo on Sunday at 1 o'clock.

We have a round to play today. Well, they cover the point spread is the question. 10 and a half is the point spread. The bills are favored by a lot. Is two are going to play this game? No clue. You don't know? No fucking clue.

That's the big, big difference. Listen, if two is that playing, I mean, it's whatever. Yeah. If two is playing, we got a game. Yeah. I agree. that's the answer they might cover the spread if two it starts i agree you won by a field goal and you lost by a two points i believe yeah so uh that's five points that have decided the first two games

this is the rubber match that's true this has been a good rivalry this year yeah a lot of fun i'm not watching it with your ass i know i invited you you did invite me but that i mean there's no fucking way at hell i can handle my heart can handle that stress of looking over watching fucking skyler thompson and throw three interceptions, and Carl smile across the room. I'm just running laps. I'm just running laps around the house. Oh, my God. Fucking cholesterol is that have come out of my ears.

It'd be disgusting. What are we going to do today, Carl? Well, we're going to read Super Chat. So thank you guys for sending those in already. That's what we've been reading. Keep those coming. We'll save them for the end. But today's category, because on this show, we don't typically do a wild card.

We want to try to compete with different categories of creepiness. and today is the self-help guru. I believe this was suggested in our Discord by someone. So great job, someone. Thanks, someone for participating. We appreciate it. Thank you for being a part of the show, whoever the fuck you are.

Yep. You're great. Now, Carl, self-help guru is a very interesting thing. It can mean a lot of different things. Yes. It can mean someone who's just like a wrote a book about mind over matter. Sure. It could be someone who ends up running a full-fledged cult based off of their self-help stuff.

It sure could be. It sure could be. And that's why, ladies and gentlemen, I would like to start the show off today with my creep. So ring that bell, Carl. A lot of people know him by his stage name, which is Vanguard. Very cool name. Very cool. If you're a little nerd and you could get a bunch of women to call you Vanguard,

normally I would assume you're a creep, but I would say this guy's all right. So, dude, this Vanguard guy, he already sounds really cool. I'm already on board. He probably plays sports, like really cool manly sports. I'm guessing he likes to play, like, football. Nope, volleyball. Oh. He's a big volleyball fan.

He's a real nerd who likes volleyball. But he competes with other guys, right? In the volleyball court, and it's just like a bunch of dudes, like really going out of the hard. No, he plays with the girls league and the guys play separately when he sits on the side with the girls. Which is exactly what Carl would do, too. Honestly, I was reading all this stuff. You haven't watched the documentary? I did watch the documentary parts of it.

I haven't seen the whole thing. I don't care. It's great. I love it. I love this guy. I also like the chick that he employs who also got arrested. But anyway. Oh, Ms. Salzman.

Yeah. Yeah, we'll get to that. So I did a lot of digging into this guy because there was so much that the documentary supposedly did not get into. So I'm going to try to hit the high points. There's too many notes, but I just want to tell you one thing. If you watch the documentary, you said you were a fan, Carl? Yes. Do you remember the woman named Tony Natali?

Yes. I know Tony. Oh, you do? I do. Tony came in and recorded a podcast. right where you're sitting when the club first opened. Oh, no shit. Brother Wees called me one day.

He goes, hey, I got this broad. She was in a cult. It was a big deal. She's got to record some stuff. Could you help her out? I said, bring her on in. This is before the creep off existed. Yeah.

She recorded a whole thing. So I kind of got to hear a lot of the backstory. Cool. And I'm excited to bring it up. How long is this going to take? Because I know there's a lot of things that you could cover here. There we go. I'm just wondering about you go grab a sandwich or grab me one too.

All right. Because I'm going to be to eat it loudly into the. the microphone will you read yours what I've done talking for the next I don't know roughly 25 30 minutes oh boy his sister recalled a story about 13 year old keith carl would this interest you to hear what kind of little speckgali this guy was his name is keith reneer by the way i don't think we've mentioned that yet keith reneer the founder of consumer byline the executive success program also known as esp nexium and eventually dOS those are uh his organizations now his sister recalled a story about him when he was 13 he really loved talking to

girls and a lot of girls would call the house and they would overhear talking to all of them and he told each and every one of them they called that he loves them and that they are very special and that they are the ones that he is meant to be with he's pretty smooth this is a 13 year old child yeah who's telling other 13 year old girls this i find that to be a little strange smart yeah but strange he's got game winning that's what you're confused by well what is this what is this thing where girls are attracted to him i'm not i don't know about that he's a smart kid, right? He's a smart kid. But in 1982, he ended up graduating from Rensler Polytechnic Institute in Troy, New York with a 2.26 grade point average. Wow. Burn burner. Yeah.

I'm not going to say that this guy lies about his intelligence, but this guy lies about his intelligence constantly at every fucking turn. He might be exaggerating a bet. So I had to do a little bit of research into like his early years and chip. That was 1982 when he graduated in 84. It was reported by the Albany Times that then 24 year old Keith Renary allegedly seduced and sexually abused a 15 year old girl named Gina Malita wait what yeah after the two met in the theater group after ending the relationship Malita introduced him to her friend Gina Hutchinson also 15 whom he also abused now again Spengali girls are always around this

fucking guy Gina's sister Heidi found Reneer climbing into her bedroom window and confronted the pair. Reneri told her the quote that Gina was a Buddhist goddess meant to be with him. Yeah. That makes sense. So, so far, we're talking, we're in 1984, we have a Pito with a C point, C grade point average. Okay. Now, according to his bio, though, he is an esteemed problem solving rarity. Yes. He has the intellect of one in 425,000. His bio also states he's one of the top three problem solvers. in the world. Could be true.

He really does make a case for himself with what he accomplished, but keep going. I don't know. I mean, is it hard to get dopey broads to follow you around? You do it. Good point. The IQ test. That's what I'm saying.

I would say it last week that I was impressed with what you do. After watching this nerd, I'm like, eh, it's not right. It's actually pretty easy to manipulate women, it turns out. So I just want to bring this up, because this is one of the funniest things I've ever heard of.

Okay. He got mentioned in the Australian Guinness Book of World Records. He was named as one of the smartest people in the world. Cricke! One year in 1989. Now, how did he get mentioned in the Australian book of Guinness Book of World Records, Carl? Because he's actually smarter than every Australian. He took a thing called the...

Correct. He beat a kangaroo for the top spot. Yeah, he beat a kangaroo chest and was crowned the smartest man on earth. the mega test was offered by a thing called the mega society which was founded by a guy in 1982 it's a take home intelligence test carl it's a take home intelligence test sure which means carl it is not monitored for cheating it is also not timed a person can take the test home and bring it back any time for grading it is not a standard method for serious tests or for peer result reviews if you're not cheating you're not trying that's what i always say the both of the mega society is that it quote has no peers they say the megatest is so hard that only super geniuses one in a million can score high enough on it anyway i've been considering john would be able to ace that one for several years and i don't know the mega yeah this is what he took yeah the mega test was the hardest IQ test in the world supposedly offered by the most exclusive

society of geniuses in the world now none of this IQ test that doesn't make sense but god no shit car it doesn't make sense yeah but none of this was proven obviously yeah they just said it. This group was like, this is the test. If you base this that you're the smartest of the world. And apparently he scored the third highest score on it. He got like a 42 out of 46. I'm convinced. Yeah. So he what does he do with this genius intellect and this newfound fame of being in the Guinness Book of World Records? What does he do, Benny? Well, he was making living in Amway, Carl, which as you know is a multi-level marketing scheme. Sure. And now if you're a C plus student pedophile and you scored really high.

on a fucking fake IQ test that you probably cheated on. And you're a smooth talker. And you're a smooth talker. What do you do next? Start a cult. You start your own multi-level marketing scheme. And he started the consumer buy line. Yes. Which was basically one of those things where you buy into it. They negotiate your, they have buyers that buy 50 of these cars at a cheaper price. So because you're a member, you could get them at that price or whatever the fuck it is. So this ends up getting shut down. during this time as he starts it this is when he meets my friend tony she starts working for him and banging him they're together for like nine years during this time an article came out about an expose that included three accounts of reneers seducing and abusing girls under the age

of consent around this time which is 1990 he found some people that were members of the market market level marketing company and they had a 12 year old daughter and he was like oh I'll help her T learn Latin and algebra and he fucking molested her nothing was done about it now in 1993 his things shut down

it's called a pyramid scheme he has to pay $40,000 fine he's got nothing he's still with this Tony Natale lady he's like Jeffrey Epstein without the money or connections basically yeah he's just a fucking he doesn't have a pot to piss in at this point And he has to sign this document, Carl.

This is what's really interesting. Or is R. Kelly, we'd say he doesn't have a 13-year-old girl to piss on. Turns out he did. He had a couple of them laying around. Now, he had to sign a consent order, which meant that he was no longer, he was permanently barred from promoting offering or granting participation and chain distribution. Okay. No more vitamin pills.

No more Amway. None of the shit. He's out of the business. The only thing he knows. in 1998 Tony meets this woman Nancy Salzman the one you were just talking about she's a nurse practitioner and a hypnotist and she's studying neurolinguistic programming

so she's into fucking changing people's behavior and shit like that you should talk to her I should give Nancy a call no one would molest me Nancy says to Tony you're so great I love you you're wonderful and she says listen I could really use your help with my boyfriend he's kind of a

loser the state just shut down his business he's getting erratic i'm really worried about him this is what he's doing nancy this is the quote from tony nancy solzman said oh my gosh i can help with this it looks sounds like your boyfriend is a sociopath she goes in to have these sessions with keith tony says she comes out with her eyes glazed over and goes you don't know who he is he's amazing yep he's so smart yep and tony goes i was like wow there goes another one this fucking guy has a power he does that's very creepy so he can't sell shit anymore what do you sell at this point yourself self help that's right i can help you fix you so he they start they start this company called executive success programs he gets the

title vanguard she's the prefect they start recruiting members all over the country um they including the brothmans from the Seagram's gin or the Seagram's fortune. Yes. Yeah, the whiskey people. They're the people who really funded the entire operation. This guy doesn't know how to fucking make any money. He lost $150 million of their money in commodities trading. Yeah, he makes Jerry Banfield look like an amateur the way this guy leaves his money.

It's impressive. Yeah. So during this time, he gets hair, gets those two broads. He gets the chick from Smallville, Allison Mack, we all know about. I wasn't back. She's so cute. She's cute. She is so cute.

I might join her sex cult. Yeah. I want her brand me. If they'd have me. If they would have me. Now, during this time, Carl, this is something that not a lot of people have reported about that I want to talk about, that I want to make sure is brought up. Because this is fucking nuts. Okay.

A woman named Kristen Marie Snyder, she's 35 years old. She's environmental consultant. She pays seven grand, seven grand enrolls in a 16-day personal development course with ESP. The following January, Snyder traveled to New York State to visit him in Albany. Snyder's mother recalled that her daughter had come back to believe that for some reason, she was responsible for the Columbia shuttle disaster and thought that Keith was incredible. She signs up for another course. Sounds plausible.

In Anchorage, Alaska. On February 6, 2003, the 10th day of the second seminar, Snyder reportedly began claiming to be pregnant with Renier's child. That's going to happen. Now, this gets confirmed by Claire Broffman, one of the gin broads, or the whiskey broads, I was told by her not to bring her to the hospital, and that's what makes me feel really bad. Snyder was last seen leaving the session of the course. Her vehicle was discovered two days later, 120 miles from the site. She left a note that said, I attended a course called Executive Success Programs based out of Anchorage, Alaska, and Albany, New York. I was brainwashed And my emotional center of the brain was killed

Slash turned off I still have feeling in my external skin But my internal organs are rotting I am sorry life I didn't know I was already dead May we persist in the future A separate page added No need to search for my body

Sounds plausible Yeah a lot of things It's gonna happen there Either way This woman who was pregnant with his kid supposedly disappeared okay and didn't want anyone searching for her body yeah no need to look for yeah maybe that's what a genius would want you to think hey if you're seeing this note why don't you just move on you know it's over it's it don't worry about it you know about the uh the broads down

in monterey mexico yes okay a family in monterey mexico all members of nexium fall in love with keith moved to albany new york with their three daughters who he sexually groomed. There is Mariana, who is the mother of Rainier's second biological child. The middle child, Daniela, was groomed as a minor and began a sexual relationship with the nearer days after her 18th birthday. She was also locked in a room for two years. Without human contact, the only person that she got to speak to was Nancy Salzman, the hypnotist, who every time she tried to write letters and letters and letters asking to get out would tell her she did something wrong and she couldn't. Believe me, she would not be my first choice.

that I can tell. Now, Rennary also began sexually abusing the youngest Camilla in 2005 when she was 15 years old. Now, you are fake news. Each one of these women was impregnated at multiple times by Rennary and they were all forced to have abortions. Okay. Danielle

testified that Rennary's partner, Pamela Carefitz, coached each sister to refuse to answer questions about paternity to prevent Rennary's abuse from becoming known to any nurse who might be a mandated reporter. I think so far the creepiest thing this guy has done is his pull-off game weak as hell weak as hell he's keeping slaves they kept her in the fuck he's got the

pullout game of an NBA player what are you doing man come on dude he did a lot of fuck fucking terrible shit uh they introduced evidence in the youngest ones thing during his trial what's at messages raneri considered her as his slave and tasked her with finding him more sex slaves yeah so by 2003 he's got the brothman's dumping money into him yep he's dumping money into commodities. He's got all of these fucking women doing everything that he says. And what he does is he starts expanding nexium in a very insidious

way. Okay. He creates a women's group called Janess and a men's group called SOP. And then they have like this one for actors and actresses that fucking Allison Mack is supposedly running. Yeah. A lot of Hollywood people get attracted to this thing. Yeah. I mean, they love a cult and by the way, I have to say the women in this cult, above average attractiveness. He

knows how to find the right people to be in this called he does now all have great bodies there's no vinnie's in this call that's for sure oh dude self responsibility get the fuck out of here with that bullshit i'm not falling for that cult nonsense yeah i just said so he's trying to reach out he's trying to do more by 2009 he got the dali llama to come to albany to give a talk at one of their meetings now interesting fact it was revealed eight years later that one of the ways that they got the Dalai Lama to come is that Sarah Bronfman, the other Seagram's girl, fucked one of the monks who was the Dalai Lama's gatekeeper who arranged the appearance.

The monk had taken a vow of celibacy and he had to step down after all of it came out. Oh no, I ended up getting laid. I guess now I have to step down and continue to get laid some more. DART it. Gosh, I really messed up bad. I wouldn't want to have the Dalai Lama disappointed in me. No more celibacy for me. Gosh, darn it.

Oh, dang it. But he's doing all this shit to try to like legitimize himself. And Brofman's dad really hated him and got Forbes to do a story about him and called him shady and said that what he was doing. It was kind of cult like. Well, by 2015, who are we talking cult, Carl? And I'm skipping a lot of shit. Please do. He created a subgroup with the nexium called DOS, which is an acronym Dominus obsequioussorium.

It's quasi-Latin. It means master over the slave woman. Now, here's the thing. None of these women were supposed to know who was on top of this pyramid. But, shocker, it was Keith. Little dirty Keith. He started getting Allison Mack to recruit these other women to be part of this women's only group. and he was using the Janess group that was for ladies

mainly to start recruiting. Right. So there was hundreds of women who signed up for the Janess group, thousands of women who signed up for the Janess group. He got about 150 women to join this DOS secret society. And basically what it was was market level market or multi-level marketing for dumb women. Yeah.

They would get suckered in by another lady who says, you're my slave now. And they would say, oh, we just use that term. it's a it's a term for coaching right master and slave now what you're going to do is you're going to sign this contract i'm going to be your master you're going to be my slave and you're ready for this guys i'm going to need to give you i need you to give me uh basically compliment on yourself i need you to give me naked pictures of yourself i need you to tell me awful things about your husband and your family on tape can you sign over the deed to your house would you mind

that's the shit collateral they would take now one might say that some of these things are red flags when you're joining an organization right fitting that whole signing over the deed to your house and taking photos of yourself naked they don't want to get out these are like

things you might look at and go I don't want to be a part of this when you're part of this little system in these inner circles and this genus one of the things that they were doing Carl is a tried and true thing that cult leaders do and that is a

they limit the calorie intake of the participants in their groups. Yes. They make sure that they are not getting enough calories so they are foggy. You're giving them all this positivity and you're the leader but oh yeah, you got to deal with all the shit in your life and here's all the shit. It's basically cleaning up here and sucking Keith's

dick and whatever else needs to be done. Well, these women start joining this group and the first levels it's like this Allison Mack seems to be the number one person in charge underneath Key. Keith was known as the Grand Master.

Not a good title. Not a great title. Vanguard's way cooler. Wouldn't go out with that one if I was him. So you want to see something fun? To join this group, they told you you would get a little tattoo. Well, what they didn't tell them is that it wasn't a tattoo. They were fucking branding their vaginas.

Yes. Here's a picture of, oh, hold on. Here's a good one. This is what that looks like. This is a brand. This is a metal on your skin. They use like a soldering iron to do. this to these women inside of Allison Mac's apartment or house they said. Now, Carl, here's the fun

thing. This looks like just shit to me. It's not a good mark. Yeah, it's a symbol. Yeah. This is what it is. Yeah. K.R. or flip it around, it's an AM. It's a Keith Ranieri or an Allison Mac. Now, a lot of people started coming out about this time going, this is crazy as more and more people in the group found out about this. This whole thing snowballs. People, People start- Quite literally, yes. Literally snowballs. What do you mean he's fucking branding people? The guy who's telling everybody how to live their best life ever is fucking branding people.

And keeping compromise and their fucking deeds to their house, women have disappeared. It's a bad look is what you're saying. It's a very bad look. It's a bad look, yeah. Talk your way out of this one, Keith. He's fucking blackmailing them. Yes. He's blackmailing them.

And I got to tell you a fun other fact here. A number of Reneary's alleged lover suffered untimely deaths, Carl. Gina Hutchinson was found dead of a guy. gunshot wound to the head. Oh, that'll kill you. Christian Schneider disappeared and was last seen at the next scene event that I talked about. Live and girlfriends, Barbara Jessica and Pam McCavitts both died from what was diagnosed as cancer at the time, but is alleged to have actually been subtle poisoning. Renary's partner, Christian Keff, suffered cervical cancer in 2009.

Reneery was filmed claiming, was filmed claiming, I've had people killed because of my beliefs. So I need to point that out. And he was put on charge for racketeering. sex trafficking of women, conspiracy to commit forced labor. More than 100 letters and statements from victims were sent to the court. And he was sentenced to 125 years behind bars. Have you watched, there's a new doc out about ever since he was arrested? Now, I know that he's in prison in Arizona.

And his followers still love him, Carl. Yeah. There are women who go to the prison every night and they stand out there with flashlights. sent him Morse code signals with flashlights. Oh, it's probably some real dirty talk, too. Oh, that's the dirtiest pillow talk. Yeah. How do you put, I am so wet using a flashlight.

I'll figure it out. Why would you need to figure it out? You just need to learn how to read it. I was talking as the girl who is into Keith. Wow. Why would you do that, Carl? All right, Vinnie. Who's your creep?

Are we wrapping up over here? I'm fucking done. I'm done talking. Very good. I'm quiet for the rest of the episode. Very good. But all right, Keith Reney, your Vanguard, Vinny really went deep with that one. Good job, buddy.

Way to find something that everyone's seen on Netflix. I'm going to bring. Except for me. Ironically, except for me. I've started watching it. I'm like in episode three. Okay. It's good.

It's a good time. So our buddy Alex helped me out with a guru here. Oh, stop. They don't think you don't get help from Alex. Don't even give me that look. How dare you? How dare you give me that look? I had a whole conversation with House because he sent me somebody and I said, no, I'm not going to use him because he doesn't fit this category.

Oh, he sure does. So we're going to start with a guy named Baguan Sri Rajneesh or Rajneesh or Rajneesh. Ah, Gagrinously! Yep. We're going to start with him. And he's also known as Oshow. So you're going to hear Baguan, you're going to hear Rajneesh or Rajneesh. You're going to hear Oshow, all the same guy.

And he's from India. Let's get the backstory on him. While teaching philosophy at the University of Jabalpur, Osho traveled around India, spreading his teachings about spirituality and free love. By the mid-1960s, he was leading meditation camps, and soon he'd resigned from teaching to focus on being a guru full-time. It was around this time that he got the nickname the Sex Guru. Osha would later become known as the Rolls-Royce guru as well, due to the 74 Rolls-Royces

he collected. Okay. So this guy is preaching free love. He's going around India, just telling people they should just be fucking all the time and having a good old time. And he's a creep. Why now, Carl? Well, he's actually not my creep.

But I have to introduce you to this character first. So let's get into the cult's belief that this guy is starting up here. These Baguanians or Rajneeshis, whatever you want to call him. Okay. Founded by Osho, the Rajneesh movement. Also known as Sanyasin, was a cult that combined aspects of Eastern and Western spirituality into a belief system that focused on indulgence. Their ideology was based around an idea of self-fulfillment without rules or a narrow

view of morality. At one point, his followers were also known as the Orange People, though later they also started dressing in red. Although Osho preached enlightenment and living in harmony with their surroundings, he enforced a mentality that led to an isolated community that kept tight control over its members. The cult would also extract donations from its members, sometimes telling them to call their parents to ask for upwards of $20,000. Okay.

So we're seeing something in common with these gurus, how, uh, look, we'll help you out if you just give us everything you have and everything your family has too. Then we'd be happy to help you out. Oh yeah, we'll fuck you. So he, because India was not enjoying what he was teaching. he had to leave India because he had amassed a huge following. So he purchased 60,000 acres in eastern Oregon. And 7,000 people moved with him to this town in eastern Oregon that they ended up actually taking over.

And I like that, you know, you were talking about how Keith was knocking up these women and then forcing abortions. Yeah. Similar policy amongst these free love people. And although free love was supposedly encouraged. Any children that might result out of such love were not. If a woman got pregnant at the Puna Ashram in India or Rajneesh Puram in Oregon, she was given a choice. She could agree to have an abortion or leave the property.

There were no children born in Oregon to Rajneesh cult members during the height of its influence. Sterization was also encouraged for women and was considered mandatory for Osho's top woman officials. That's right. They know the kids can really fuck up a good time. And they're like, nope, no kids here. We are going to do drugs. We are going to fuck each other a lot. And there will be no children. And don't touch the cars. And you'll, yes, and yeah, don't touch his cars too. So you'll notice there, he says, the top ranking officials had to get sterilized. Now, the topest top ranking official was a woman named Ma Anan Sheila. Her vagina was like a wizard's sleeve

It was dragged behind her Let's learn about Queen Sheila here The followers all wore red They adhered to very strict schedules Meanwhile Ma Nan Sheila began calling herself queen And carrying around a 357 magnum The Rajneches also began driving around town In a Jeep with a machine gun on the back of it

The plan was to overwhelm these towns by basically taking over their political systems. The Rajneeshis had already taken over a nearby town called Antelope and renamed the town Rajneesh. Okay, so they took over an entire town, they renamed it, and now they're looking at, in the larger county, we don't have any influence. We're less than 10% of the population of this county.

So how are we going to get political influence because they want to start building, they need building permits, they want to take over, right, Vinny? Certainly. They kind of want to be like a sovereign society within the U.S. They should probably start procreating if they really want to get that done. Nope, even better. They busted homeless people.

They got thousands of homeless people from all over the country, busts them in, and then said, okay, you can live here with us, eat our food, you just got to vote for who we tell you to vote for. And you're all getting fucked. And the best part is, Vinny, is that this didn't work real well because these homeless people are mentally ill. They weren't into moving on. They tend to act up from time to time.

They're hard to control. Everyone who was brought into Rajneesh Puram was expected to register to vote and then vote for the cult's favored candidate. However, the cult hadn't considered the fact that many of the homeless people that they brought to Rajneesh Puram also suffered from untreated mental illnesses. Fights often broke out, and to regain control, they injected the tranquilizer Haldol into beer kegs and served the tainted alcohol to the homeless. they're injecting beer with a tranquilizer like here drink up buddy seem upset that's what I get the equivalent of giving a baby like a little shot of jack a little touching whiskey yeah these guys are pretty much the brittany spears parenting wise of uh cult leaders so that didn't work out real well honestly you're telling me that

their their plan was we're going to take over the country through democracy which is legal and when these guys get out of line we're not going to hurt them we're just going to give them a and calm them down a little bit. This is the creepy move. Oh, no, I haven't gotten to the creepy move yet. But I just want to play this clip. Just in case there's an argument later about, oh, well, it has to be a self-help guru.

This is proving that Sheila did consider herself the head of this cult, this self-help cult. It's like this is a product that you don't know and it's supposed to make you feel great. You're supposed to be enlightened. You said also that the Bhagwan was really not the slightest bit interested in enlightenment. So it was a con. Absolutely.

You as the queen presided over an empire built on a gigantic con. Yes, I did presided over it. Okay. So she admits that even though it's supposed to be about enlightenment and self-improvement, it's all like on this call that they've created. Now, Vinnie, as you said, democracy, we want to take over. So we've got to get the votes. We got to get the vote out.

We got to get our people on the boards. Do you think you would I could do that? Well, they had an interesting plan here. Do you think there's a town that we could do that? We could get all the creep off fans just to come when we could take over? Creepville. Can we do it where I currently live? That would be better for me.

Can we take over the city of Rochester, please? That'd be fun. That would be pretty cool. Or you could just come to Davilcott. We could do it for the weekend of February 2nd and 3rd. Who's going to be the king of Rochester once we become a sovereign part of this nation? All right, you can be my queen, Vinnie. I don't want to be the queen.

I'll let you be my queen, buddy. All right. So this is where you're going to. get upset because their whole grand scheme was we don't have enough people to win these these elections but what if everyone else in this county was too sick to get to them to vote because maybe they had eaten something that was poisonous and not good for them the Rajneeshi movement needed ways to inflate their numbers and essentially keep the locals away from the voting polls what if everyone was too sick to actually go out and vote.

In September of 1984, a woman stood at the salsa bar and taco time holding a small bag of her own homemade salsa. She poured it across all of the condiments and this started what was the largest bioterrorist attack in U.S. history. The group contaminated 10 different fast food restaurants with salmonella. You motherfuckers! months. It made 757 people sick. It sent a couple dozen people to the hospital. Had they gone with their initial plan of using typhoid fever, it would have been a massacre. That's right. The largest

bioterror attack in U.S. history was performed in Oregon in 1984 because they were just trying to keep people from voting. I like they've gotten a little more sophisticated now with how they cheat. all right so um yeah they did a much bigger job in 2020 they sure did thank you that's i didn't say that was the point i was trying to make keep us on youtube turns out viny that this wasn't necessarily what they thought was going to stop people from voting this was just a trial run in the original plan the rajnishis were going to use salmonella typhi which causes typhoid fever which would have certainly resulted in many deaths the salad bar attacks were meant to be a trial run for a larger poisoning right before the election, likely through the town's water supply.

At one point, the leaders even considered flying a plane filled with bombs into the county courthouse. That's a little bit too obvious, I would think. Probably don't want to do that one. Yeah, that one's, I mean, you're going to ruin it for yourselves if you go that far. So what happened was our hero of the story, Osha, the sex guru, Baguan Sri Rajanesh, he was not behind this plan. This was all Sheila.

OSHA should have been the hero here. They should have come in and shut this whole thing down with this tainted food. So what OSHA does is he gets the authorities involved and says, look at you got to see what they're up to on my compound here. And so they go and they rate it. And on October 2nd, a state federal task force raided the commune. Upon entering the commune, the FBI discovered a fully fledged bioterrorism lab. In addition to the laboratory, officials found an arsenal of guns, evidence of a wiretapping operation, and a top secret research project by the Rajneesh Medical Corporation to develop a live AIDS virus.

They're trying to develop their own AIDS. Everything was also covered in cum, and they smelled like bleach. Dude, this is literally like Dr. Evil shit. Like, how are we going to take over the world? We'll create our own AIDS. Fucked up, man I mean, I feel like this guy's more of a cult leader than a self-help dude Because like his whole thing was like hey everybody

Come on hippies, let's come fuck It wasn't like Yeah, your guy was too No, he was ESP Executive success programs All right I can tell you you think you're losing Because now you're trying to

I don't think that Try to poke some holes into this All right So let's see what happened to Ma'Anan Shila Ma'an Shila and her co-conspirators were given 20 years in prison, but ultimately only ended up serving two. She actually fled to West Germany, got away from all of this, and then they got her back to the state so they could convict her

and trying to, actually poisoning all these people, got her 20 years, she served two of those years, and then it was free and went to Switzerland. How did she get out after two years? That's a great question. Oh, that you probably would have been able to answer had you done your research. Well, Vinnie, what happened was she was out on parole? role after two years.

On a 20-year sentence. Yes. That's insanity. That's insanity. I know. Oregon, you deserved this. So, Sheila was she tried in the town of Roshnish? Out of that.

Yeah, right, exactly. So they'd take it over by then. So this woman, Sheila, was actually interviewed by 60 minutes Australia after she had fled to West Germany. And what was happening was they did a whole story that was breaking down the stories between what Rosh Nesh said happened and what Shia. Sheila said that happened, and this is interesting, so you can see how evil this woman is and what a creep she is, because Rajneesh accused her of trying to poison his doctor and people close to him on top of poisoning the entire town. Why did you poison his Garden of Eden?

I poisoned his garden of Eden. He says you tried to poison his doctor, his dentist, his caretaker, that one of your assistants jab his doctor. jabbed his doctor in the butt with a poison needle That's very nice Did she do a good job? The doctor apparently is still alive Then obviously she didn't do a good job And I guarantee if she was my assistant

She would have done a good job Not a good defense Did you have your assistant try to kill his doctor Is the doctor still alive? Then it wasn't my work I guess you done If I wasn't with dead They are done to-oh

I like her She's a creep, Vinny. She is my creep. Please vote at our subreddit. And sorry, I didn't get it up last week. I'll get it up today for us. The poll will be there so that you can vote for Carl and Ma Ananshila. All right, Carl.

Good job this week. Thanks, buddy. Thanks for doing your research. Hey, Alex. I want to play something for you. Doug from the Jingles Department was inspired by me spinning the wheel last week. Really? Yeah.

We finally got a jingle from the Jiggles Department after three years. Awesome. Gary, Indiana, as a Shakespeare would say. And that's fine. Trips along softly on the tongue this way. Kick ass, dude. Gary Indiana, Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana.

Oh, shit. Drive to Gary, Indiana is still out here? Hell yeah, bro. What a shit. Gary Indiana. Gary Indiana. Gary, Indiana, that's the town that knew me where. I'm glad everyone's having so much fun of your fans right now.

And that's fine. How I happened on this elegant syncopation. Maybe I could say with Paddy C couch. Maybe he'll have me crashing on his couch. There is just one place, dude. I think this is fucking going great. Try to Gary, Indiana. Gary is.

Not Louisiana. Paris, France, New York, or Rome. Like the fucking guys the best Gary Indiana Gary Indiana All right guys So WATP is going to be out of hold As I recover from my

Gunshot wounds I'm tired of having to be a Tasmanian devil On the fucking microphone Every fucking week Vicki loves hearing himself laugh maniacally No it just It brought me back to that moment of joy When you hit that

And I watched the way you did that spin. I was like, oh, I hope you fucking backfired. I just looked at you and, oh, I hope it's the worst thing that'll hate the most. When I saw you do that little limperous spin. Oh, you're a limperous spin. Minnie?

It's like a fucking kitten pawing at a fucking testicle. All right, Benny. You know, what? I'm not familiar with that. Sure you are, Carl. I'm sure you are. All right, Benny. I think it's time for the newest segment of our show that everybody loves.

That's right. This is the portion of our show where we not only tell you we're the best true crime podcast out there. We prove it. And how do we do that? We do that by breaking down the other true crime podcast one of the time and showing you how God awful they each are. Every one of them a piece of shit. Except for sword and scale. We like sword and scale. But all the other ones are a hot pile of garbage. Today, I I present to you a show called Cold Case Murder Mysteries. This is a suggestion from CusoD.M. and Discord. And he told me that Dan Harmon referred to the host as Autism Detective.

Now, this host is Ryan Krause. And Ryan Krause is an interesting personality. Let's put it that way. Let me start out by showing you how the show starts the intro here. So I have a feeling we're going to find a dude where like a Pokemon snuggy like in salad doing true crime. Is that what's going on here? Well, first let's listen to the small dick energy that he starts this show with. And these shows can go on for two, three, four hours sometimes.

Small dick energy must be a bills fan. Hey, everybody, welcome back to Cold Case Murder Mysteries. I'm your host Ryan Krause joining you for the first episode of 2023 in which we're going to delve into the madness surrounding. the gluttonous consumption of everything Brian Koberger and the Moscow-Ida-O-Dahoe murders. All right, I cut that out because it's a run-on-sentence. It just goes on and on and on and on and on-and-on. Now, here's what's great about this show, Betty. This guy gets negative reviews sometimes for people, and he loses his mind over it.

He starts off a show from right before Christmas time. Well, fuck it, I'll just play it for you. This is how he starts it off. I think the one thing I've noticed, more than anything else about podcast listeners in more than five years of producing this show, is that the people who care and are supportive, even if it's for other shows and not mine, are the people who tend to seem like they're actually happy, or at least fighting for happiness, and living decent lives. If you're one of those people, again, whether your support goes to my show or someone

else's or even many people's work, thank you for having the courage and conviction to create a positive environment in which we can examine the human condition while being vulnerable because that's what this is really all about. What's inside our hearts and minds? Is that what it's really all about? Okay. If you say so. Fucking hurt, baby.

Now, Vinnie, I'm going to apologize in advance. It's very hard to get short clips from this guy because he just goes on and on and on. And I was listening to him in his most recent episode talking about that case in Idaho. And he's talking about how the eyewitness says that the murders happened at 4 a.m. She saw the Colberger, whoever it was, the suspect at 4 a.m. But there's a camera from the neighbors next door where you can hear a dog barking of 419. And he says, obviously this happened to 419 because the camera's going to know better than the eyewitness, who was probably drinking all night. And he explains that point.

I'm not kidding you, for 12 minutes. And I'm like, no, I get it. I get it. I get it. And you just kept going. I'm like, I don't even know how to clip this. But obviously the camera would be right. Dude, over and over again.

You can't trust people's memories. Yeah, I know. The camera's probably right. Of course it is. We know. We get it. The camera doesn't have an agenda. I know.

Who hurt this guy? I know. I'm just like, who's arguing with you over this? Why do you think this is a difficult concept for anyone to grasp? We get it. So similarly, I'm listening to the beginning of this episode, the one before that. And he read this one review.

got so upset and basically what he said in that clip that you just heard is if you give negative reviews to podcasts you're a miserable fuck and i don't he's not wrong i kind of agree that's probably true for the most part yeah but um he is very upset about this one the other day as i finished a 16 hour session rewriting a feature film script i happened to scroll through a few of my recent reviews on apple podcasts now i've had the same rating on apple podcasts for over five years Even right down to the decimal point, my Spotify rating has actually gone up. I am polarizing, but in the most predictable way. And so, like I said, right down to the decimal, I've had the same rating on Apple

podcasts since 2017, that along comes a coward who hides behind anonymous reviews and could absolutely never summon the courage to create anything requiring public scrutiny to assert that the reviews of my podcast are increasingly poor and she knows why. Yeah, so immediately to the, oh, you're going to critique my stuff, you can't even create something like I do. I create, I'm a creative. You don't even understand what it's like to be a creative. God forbid he sees us talking about us. Oh, he would not enjoy this at all.

So now he goes on to explain how dumb this woman is. If my rating has not changed in more than five years from a factual standpoint, then I know whatever comes out of her mouth next is going to be equally stupid. And here it is. Okay. Okay, dude. Yeah, it's like, relax. She might be dumb. I don't know. It's very possible. I mean, what was, what did she say about him? Well, let's find out because this is probably the worst excuse possible for having a shitty podcast. She listened to an episode from 2020. in which I talk about the protagonist of the event in the context of refusing to change when she needs to, and this person has now had an epiphany she finds brilliant, but couldn't be any more ridiculous.

I have said on many occasions that this show is what it is, and it is intended to be a rough first draft, whether an episode is one hour or six hours. Oh, I see. It's not supposed to be good. Do you see, Vinnie? he's not even trying to make it a quality product. So how could you critique him when it's not a quality product? What fucking movie is he writing? Oh, dude, he gets more into that. This is hilarious.

He's got, the reason why his podcast stinks. This is, like, stunning. Which he doesn't think his podcast stinks, but it does. It's unlistenable. What's his, do we have we looked up as iTunes rating? Yeah, he's got like a 3.6. Oh, so it is terrible. He's got like 1,500 reviews.

I can read some of the reviews for you in a minute because there are some scathing reviews on I hope a lot of people don't do that to him because he gets upset. What's the name of the show again? It is called Cold Case Murder Mysteries. And you can leave reviews of Cold Case Murder Mysteries on iTunes and on Spotify? Yeah, he gets upset. Oh, no. I don't think that would be something we should do.

Hold on, though, Vinny. He's got a really good excuse for why the podcast isn't that great. That has always been my intention and not ever have I intended to make a highly produced and edited product because, quite simply, I have so. so many other things I'm working on that require a tremendous amount of my attention. I don't have the time, energy, or desire to do that and have articulated my intentions in that way so that everyone can understand why I do what I do. I have multiple creative projects, from screenplays to TV pilots to animation that demand

every bit of my attention. He's just too busy with all of his projects, Vinny. You animate your fucking voice, dude. And then also, can I just say, how dare you? You're yelling at someone for saying, I don't like this fucking fucking slap together, a fucking piece of shit that you put up. Yep, your first draft podcast. Oh, I'm not allowed.

I have to give you five stars for your first draft podcast because you put it up. And your number didn't change for five years, Mr. 3.7. But Vinny, how could he do a better show? He's got so much going on. He's got the screenplays and the pilot. and all these things that he's working on. So, of course, is this an excuse for everything that sucks that he creates? Listen, man.

Maybe focus on something you're good at. That's always the thing, man. You and I both know this. Sometimes you could focus on way too many things at once. Sure. And whenever you do that, something is going to suffer. Of course. Yes.

It sounds like this man's mental health is suffering. Oh, my God. He is none to please about this. My life is nothing but one giant revision, as I am constantly creating, analyzing, editing, and refining in a process that isn't likely to end until I'm dead. Oh, all right. I got to cut that one short.

Basically, what he's saying is, don't tell me to be better. I already know that. I already know I should be better, and I'm already working on that. I had a friend who pulled this bullshit. It was actually a bandmate of mine. And it'd be like, dude, you didn't learn the song.

He's like, I know. I know I should be learning the song. So don't get mad at me because I'm mad at myself. It's like, well, that's not how this works. I can still be mad at you. No one can be more disappointed than me than me. Yeah, right, exactly. So everybody just lay off and let me sit here and suffer no consequences whatsoever.

So he's going through the different phases here. So it starts off with the, listen, I don't even want it to be good and who are you to judge? You're probably miserable and you can't create anything. And then he starts to get aggressive. I have gotten the attention of everybody from soccer moms to celebrities by being this person. And furthermore, I am fucking sick of the bullshit neurodivor. virgin people have to tolerate because of those like you. We have special interests.

We ramble. And if you don't like it, go fuck yourself. Whoa. Fuck me or fight me. This is escalated quickly, hasn't it? Yeah, it's very Patrick Michael asked as far as the excuses for someone not liking what he's doing. So he's neurodivergent, which I believe means he has autism. Uh-huh.

So that's another shield. So he's fixated. It's another shield he's hiding behind. He's fixated on the one fucking negative review. If you, oh, he's so fixated on it. If you put things out there and people don't like it, it's going to happen. If you don't want anyone critiquing you, then don't put anything out there. You're fucking telling me.

Yeah, no shit. Welcome to our world. Oh, boy. But he's very upset with these people who are just anonymous on the internet, talking all this mad shit. My work will never appear in an anonymous review because I am not a coward. Please, if you are one of the. these ignorant cowards, just think about how miserable you have to be to anonymously insult and poorly review a creative just prior to Christmas because you've decided he's done you wrong.

I have not done anything wrong. I make this show as is for the thousands of people who want to hear it every week. And when I succeed at my creative projects outside of it, which require mind-blowing amounts of introspection and change, I will thank those amazing people for not being assholes, sticking with me, believing, and most of all, realizing that trying to hold people down to make them like you or make them exactly what you want instead of what they are only results in drowning yourself. This turned into the speech that John Candy gives in planes, transit automobiles, hey, I like me. My clients like me. My friends like me. My family likes me. Yeah, but he was also not under the impression that he's going to be immensely

successful in all of his endeavors and be able to make sure that when he does, when I do thank everyone, not you. Dude, this guy is insane. Yeah, that's not a normal reaction. I don't know how like, I mean, this goes out for a long time. I don't know, just like one comment. He's got 1500 reviews on there. Just this one comment just set him off. And I love the, and before Christmas, too, You're going to criticize my work right before Christmas? How dare you? How dare you do this? You've ruined the holidays.

The cowardice of some of these people is beyond shocking. And the stupidity is something I can't even reconcile against reality. Whoa, you got butt slam! Please tell me this is over a four-star review or something ridiculous. I was trying to find the review. I can't even find it. I'll read some of the ones that are from around this time. but all right so this is where he loses me i don't know what's going i'm like right can we wrap this up please

so to that reviewer and the other cowards who don't and can't create and only criticize because they have miserable fearful and empty lives my listeners and i will see you with the finish line of this race and your dumb ass will be begging us to watch you clap while we finally celebrate the victory please clap what the fuck did that be That was one of the worst provost I've ever heard That was so stupid He's like well you know what We're going to be the winner

And you're going to be the loser And you're going to be on the winner team You're going to be begging us to watch you clap for us You'll see What? Dummy, what are you talking about? Just let it go The person didn't like your podcast

I don't like it either Cares I hope he's making something really special and great Like a macaroni statue or something Stupid and weird it seems like my sprinkle paint then you guys will see all right I have

I have one more clip from here this guy sure is full of himself certainly is I have made a difference in the hearts and minds of human beings so to marginalize my efforts by pointing out that your

perceived shortcomings of my neurodivergence demand reflection and change is selfish disgusting and indicative of an ironic truth I can see right through the imaginary wall you've put between us to protect yourself, which is that you and not I are the one

who needs to change. So shut the fuck up and listen. Let me translate that. I believe what he said was, you're rubber and I'm glue. No, I'm rubber and your glue. Go fuck yourself. Wow. Wow.

And actually that is on December 23rd, someone with a one star said, wow. I thought at first this was some kind of satire. What an arrogant jerk Didn't get past the first 10 minutes I like the guy who murdered those girls in the dorm better than him right now.

Yeah, listen to some of these. This is, holy bitterness. It's apparent this guy has short man syndrome, but about the cases he thinks he knows more about than everyone else who did actual investigating LOL. Someone else gave it just a thumbs down

as the title says, how long does it take to get to the story? Such a boring voice. And then this one, Cadence, stupidity. I think Adnan is guilty. So talking about a specific episode here. So I wanted to listen to a podcast from someone who agrees to see if we have the same points. This guy is stupid and the canes of his voice is super annoying. Don't bother.

All good points. He's so bad. Yeah, not a great show, Carl. But I got to tell you, I like whoever said it in the Mikey added, Carl found Patrick Michael's brother. Right. The production value seems okay. But just the way this guy thinks, it's like so incorrect. This is the wrong approach to life. Oh, man. I think you may have to revisit this guy. Yeah, that's an interesting one. We got to keep an eye on it if he hears this. Ryan Krauss. Oh, Ryan. Ryan, don't do that, buddy. You give people too much power when you do that.

I am the one giving you the power. I'll see you with the finish line. You don't think I'm great, but there's thousands of people. People who do some, so there. Pathetic. All right. You ready for some voicemails? I am. We got a sponsor?

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Okay. Hi, this is Nancy Grace. Carl, what did the grieving mother say to the most inspiring, wonderful woman out there? She didn't say anything because she killed herself. Oh, Carl, keep my name out of your mouth unless you want to do the same. Benny, stop your palat. You deserve that win. Thank you, Nancy.

I don't even think that was the real Nancy Grace. All right Here's a thought Vinnie not liking being touched And hating sleepovers And being Vinnie in general Inspired me to think of A new dual consequence

You guys should take an autism test together Results may surprise you I don't know if anybody would actually be surprised Hey boss girl i'm mannie muskis just wanted to welcome you to the wATP family real trip hit me up anytime manny thank you so much buddy appreciate all that you contribute to the shows i don't know what this is uh this sounds like it's for you I'll be jamming this in, Gary. I don't know what I'm listening to.

Yeah, I don't know either. All right. Sounds like I was in Gary and got in the accident. Hey, I have a voicemail for the creep-off here. All right. Let's hear it. Hey, Carl, this is for the creep-off. And that rule you were thinking of when you had to do,

spin the wheel is, if I recall correctly, you can choose to not do whatever the consequence was that was landed on, but then you're, you know, whoever won that week gets to choose automatically the next, you know, your fucking consequence. So, I mean, I kind of forgot what was on the list, but I think driving to Gary, Indiana was like the worst one on there, if not maybe giving up your Patreon money. Anyway, I forgot that was the rule that we had. Oh, are you trying to exercise it? Well, let me ask you this, because it's too late now.

I've accepted my fate of driving to Gary, Indiana. What would you have chosen if I would have said, no, I'm not doing this one. Give me a different one. Oh, nothing major truck nuts. Something like that. Something like that. Something like that. Then let's do that then.

I would give you something easy. Let's do that then. I don't want to go to Gary. Let's do that. Oh, so I really do get to pick. Oh shit, no You're going to Tom Myers No, no, no

I don't want to go to Baltimore I mean, I would rather go to Baltimore than I would rather go to Gary because it's like three hours closer Chicago's a shirt flight It's fine Okay All right, dickhead

All right, I got no more voice spells You ready for a scum parade? I am Let's do it Where to go? Skull parade Take me on a raid of these fuck charades

that these creeps have made Scum parade Vinny and Carl gonna tell you about some fuck shit Scum parade Like stories of a kid fucked by his mom or dad soaking up the blood of a cat

scum parade Where we start? Starting off here, Benny. I used to think that my dumb brother was the worst family dollar employee of all time. Remember when he chased the guy with the box cutter and they got round over by the car? Yep. Because he's stupid and an idiot. Yeah.

A family dollar employee recently was disciplined for calling in sick too many times. She was arrested Thursday. According to arrest affidavit, Donisha Holiday 24 was charged with aggravated assault and reckless endangerment with a deadly weapon. Officers responded at about 3.45 p.m. to the family dollar store. earlier in the day, court record showed the employee texted her boss to say she was too sick to come in. The manager responded by taking her off the work schedule for excessively calling in sick. Listen, if the employees aren't going to show up, we got to get someone who will. The conversation escalated, Carl, and court documents say Holiday threatened to, quote, pull up at the store.

Okay. Well, got it feeling better. Yep. Now, later in the day, Holiday did show up at the store. All right, so I think she could admit that she was healthy enough to go to work. that right? I mean, you're just throwing mud on your own case. Yeah, I mean, maybe not mentally healthy enough, but physically it seems like

she was fine. She could definitely get there. Well, she showed up at the store and pulled a gun on her boss, waved it around while there were customers and other employees inside the store. According to court documents, Holiday, put the gun in her back pocket before throwing a stapler at the store manager. By the way, family dollar

customers responded to they were pulling a gun with this. Do you, I need another one of them. What are they own? It's like this is pretty common occurrence going out of the family dollar. Also, you don't have to, if you work for a manager of a family dollar, you don't have to kill him. He's going to kill himself eventually. Just give it time.

Oh, dude. Just give us some time. They sell wobbly stools and rope right there. Exactly. So as the whole display, escorted out by another employee, Holiday threatened to shoot up the manager's vehicle, the documents say. Now, Holiday was arrested Thursday and told, oh, no, you're going to put more bullet holes in his vehicle. Oh, geez. On gee whiz.

Yeah, you know, you get bullet holes in front of your car, parking in front of a family dollar. Yeah. She went to the story because another manager told her to do so, adding that she had the gun to be prepared to be prepared to be prepared to work. So I came into work and I had the gun, you know, just to be prepared from a shift. Whatever happens, yeah. You never know. Now, Holiday also told police that she took her gun out to, quote, adjust her holster, and that it wasn't that she was angry at the guy. Sure. And the stapler just fell out of her head.

I don't know. She's jailed on a $10,000 bond record. show so that's a lot of fun yeah wow drama at the family dollar now we've all had that boss right ride you a little bit too hard you're like i'm telling you man one more fucking word out of you hey by the way i just looked at this and i realized i forgot something i wanted to do during the last segment oh yeah so i'm just going to pop it up real quick we had a suggestion for the wheel that was on last year's or last week's ballot okay and this is the funniest god damn suggestion we've ever gotten for the wheel oh good and i've been laughing about this for three days so whoever

this was brilliant educational share 790 on a side note after listening to the most recent wATP i think a new consequence should be added to the wheel join a comedy improv group gain their trust and that undermine a life performance that was a joke sir i want to do it i think that's hysterical i think that should go on the wheel that's like a fucking 18 month con that we'd have to be a part of holy shit all of a sudden you just start no budded right right exactly i mean You could easily thwart an improv show if you wanted to. If you want to just be a dick about it. I don't think it's 18 months.

I don't think it's that hard to get out of an improv troupe. No, I know. But you want to gain their trust. You don't want to just go the first show out and do that. Yeah. That makes it funnier. If they're just like, Carl, what happened to you? Thought we were boys.

Also, don't let me forget the big announcement at the end of the show. Lafayette County, Wisconsin, Carl, 50-year-old woman is accused of trying to kill her veterinarian husband with animal euthanasia medicine. Okay. You're going to needle. lot of it sure court records show amanda chapen have been charged with one count of attempted first degree intentional homicide for allegedly poisoning her husband gary amanda i just told you was 50 gary is 70 they got married in march and had what was described as a stormy marriage if she really wants the guy dead just make him get boosted we still uh we still on there goes the

last show i may check check amanda's accused of forging gary's son's signature on a document to a power of attorney, as well as forcing Gary to change his house deed to leave it to her instead. Smart. Smart. Smart. The criminal complaint alleges Amanda mixed the drugs in Gary's coffee. The first time it happened, he reportedly felt like he was, quote, underwater. But Amanda allegedly tried to tell him his symptoms were similar to a stroke and that he had a drooping face.

Oh, it's just, you're not poisoning? Yeah, just having a stroke. Just a stroke. Stop complaining. I'm going to go golf. A few weeks later, the same thing occurred after having this coffee. The third time, August 21st, he was reportedly hospitalized and left in a coma for four days. All right, I guess in this case, third times the harm.

That is the name of this episode. Three third times the harm. Doctors at the hospital reportedly found traces of barbiturates in his system, which included drugs he used to euthanize animals, as well as an anti-seizure medication for dogs. Can this woman kill anyone? She sucks at this. Gary's son filed a restraining order for his father, and Gary also filed for divorce in September.

Yeah, I'd divorce her too. Oh, she's the worst. On September 1st, Amanda reportedly sent Gary an email, which violated their restraining order and said she wanted to die because she believed his children would destroy her. All right, well, then kill yourself. Fine.

If you want to die. Make yourself a coffee, bitch. Yeah, right. You know how to do this. Amanda was, no, she doesn't. Yeah. Amanda was hospitalized after a suicide attempt and then taken into custody. Amanda. Come on. What are you doing? Can't kill anything. Can't kill anything.

Start with mice. Work your way up. Jesus. Carl. Yes. We got a baby thrower. Oh, boy. I'm excited about this. Hit it. Oh, wrong one. Welcome to the Creep off baby throwing Lee. in a Monday afternoon baby throw. We're starting in... Who needs a quarterback right now? Who's looking to recruit? Let's take a look. Yeah, the Dolphins might need a quarterback.

We have, uh, we have Skyler Thompson and Mike Glennon that I know of for Sunday. Yikes. All right. A 23-year-old woman in Amadabad was arrested for allegedly flinging her three-month-old daughter from the third floor. of the civil hospital in the Mamabod and Guar, resulting in the infant's death. Oh, she didn't survive that one? Yeah.

Where's that dude who does the numbers? Yeah, yeah. Three months old, third floor. What's going on here? Yep. Numbers don't lie. Yeah. So right off of the third floor,

Splat! The incident took place in the medical facility, in the early hours of last Sunday, Fersana Banu Malik, a resident of Petland Taluka, in the states on a district has said she took this extreme step as her child was alien since birth and could not bear to see her in so much pain. Oh, well, that was a humanitarian thing to do then. Chuck your baby off the third floor.

She had, however, initially tried to mislead, claiming that the child had gone missing from the hospital. Oh, yeah, happens all the time. Three months old is just get up and run away. Oh, she didn't get far. We found her outside of the city. Yeah. Right in front of the front door. She's been suicidal since two days, two days old.

She hasn't been right lately. Yeah, she hasn't been herself. She hasn't been herself for the last couple days. The last couple feeding. She didn't really feel well. She said, however, she tried to tell him that the baby had disappeared, but the close Cambridge TV footage of the civil hospital showed otherwise. Yeah.

Yeah. You've got to kill your kids at home. She was seen going towards the gallery carrying her daughter and then coming back empty-handed. The dead body was found by hospital staff on the ground floor. The woman has admitted that she did it. and the child fell ill immediately after birth and was operated on at that hospital where she was admitted for 24 days. So here's what's going on.

They're running up the bill on this mom. And this mom's like, I got to get out of this. How do I get out of this? Here's what I'm noticing. They treat cows better than they do treat babies over there. Yeah. You're going to get their priorities straight. Yeah, but I mean, it's really hard to throw a cow off a balcony.

That's true. Yeah, maybe a calf. Yeah. Good point. Yeah. You're never getting them down. the stairs so you have to throw him out the window i've heard isn't that the thing with cows that's the big with cows yeah you have to chuck them out the window so carl let's go down to utah shall we

we found a wonderful father mm-hmm this guy probably could have just been a creep but this story is just pretty bonkers so we'll go for it today what does he Michael love his name his name is Michael Hyatt oh I thought I was hate Michael hate I guess that's how you would say it in our county Utah identified the suspect in the murder-suicide of Tasha hate, their three daughters, ages 17, 12, and 7, and 2 sons, ages 7 and 4. Also, Tasha Hates' mother, 78-year-old Gail hate. According to the police department, each of the victims appeared to have gunshot wounds. Sorry, folks, police sent officers to perform a welfare check at the Hate Family Wednesday,

after relatives and friends contacted officials saying they were worried and had not heard from the victims. Cops found all eight family members dead inside their home and still decked with Christmas lights. So that's jolly. Sure. At this time, we don't believe there's a threat to the public that there's any suspect at large. Michael Haight was listed as an Allstate Insurance agent based out of Cedar City, Utah. But a family friend told him that they quit his job just days before the slaughter. Oh, so this guy's fucking living the dream.

he's quitting his job, murdering his family, he's getting everything. He's changing his life. Yeah, except he turned the gun on himself. Oh, right. After he did. He was having a good week, though. Yeah, he was finally free for just a couple seconds there. Now, the five children attended schools in Iron County School District,

the parents of the school, of all the kids of the school, are all freaked out. But they have this valuable object lesson about why you should behave when daddy tells you to do something. Yeah, of course. So in a way, Michael Haight may have murdered five children, his mother-in-law and his wife, but again, a valuable teaching tool for all the other children in Utah. Did you happen to see the sentence in there that says it's not known why she wanted to end their marriage? Because what triggered this was the wife was like, yeah, I'm divorcing you. And they wrote in this article, a guy who murdered everyone in his family and then killed himself.

We're not sure why she wanted to end the marriage. You're not? Maybe it's because he's a psychopath. You know, a guy who's going to, like, murder his entire family and then kill himself. To be honest with you, I'm more concerned about why he ended the marriage, said why she would want to. Yeah, no shit. It's pretty obvious why she wanted out. Yeah, man.

By the way, when Reach for Comment, President Biden said, let's hear him out before we cast judgment. Which I agree with. Who knows? President Biden's press secretary, Karen Jean-Pierre said, the first lady say on behalf of president Biden and the first lady they mourn the Enoch County city community in the wake of the shooting isn't that nice that's very nice yeah so Carl yes that's the scum parade for this week all right you have a big announcement and we also have super chats to read yeah so let's do the big announcement quickly sounds good

thank you for all of you who are patrons I love you guys we love you we love you and one of the things that carl always preaches around here is we have to put out the best bonus content than we can. And we try to. Our bonus episodes are good. They're great shows. They're funny. Those of you listen to them. I'm sure you like them. We take the bonus episode seriously because we know those are the ones you guys are paying for. So we put in a lot of effort on this. Now, here's the thing. By we, I mean, Vinny. I feel like we're not doing enough on there for you guys. And I want to do more for you because we really care and we really appreciate how you support us. So starting this Wednesday, 1130 a.m. Eastern time, there is going to be a little scum snack stream.

We're going to do a weekly stream just for our patrons where we're going to do a couple scum parade stories And feel free if you're a member of the Patreon You can pop in, have fun with us And hopefully we're going to make your Wednesdays a little bit better By laughing at other people's misfortune Yeah, take a break from your day, midday And learn about the atrocities that are happening

Right around you all the time Yeah, pop in with us. We're going to have a good time Yeah So if you haven't supported us on Patreon yet It's a good time to jump on there you can find us patreon.com backslash the creepoff there are links on the creepoff.com on our web page you can find the link that'll take you directly to our Reddit and we hope that you will join us there and for those of you have Supercast you will get the links as well.

Very good. All right. Thank you for the support. Looking forward to doing those mini streams on Wednesday. Yeah, they're going to be a lot of fun and we hope to see you there for those. Until next week, I guess, no, we got to do scum. We've got to do Super Chats. It's Super Chat Monday, Vinny.

Two-Face lying bastard. Everyone watching this needs a self-help guru. I would agree. I'll do it. Whisker says, after review on the play, Carl's plan is good. Vinny has charged one time out. Automatic first down.

This is a well-officiated show. Bullshit. That we have here. And then for 499, two-face lying bastard. Episode 148, creepiest potato from either Canada or Minnesota. sounds like Cardiff is going to be the subject of the next episode of the Creep of. That'll never happen. Probably not.

Cardiff Electric Minnesota Rules Go Vikings. Subreddit surfing 8 p.m. Yes, Cardiff. We'll see you there for subreddit surfing tonight. I don't know that I would have picked the time that the college national championship is happening, but I'm not going to tell you guys how to market your shell. I'm going to tell you this. Yeah.

The Reddit that we are going to visit, not going to interfere. Not going to be a problem. Well, I just mean for people who want to stream it and watch it live, they might be, you know, hey, they might have some money down in Georgia. You can go back and watch it later. But listen, folks, we're going to have a lot of fun on this show. You might want to check it out. All right. So get your super chats.

And thank you for the support, guys. We do appreciate that as you support us every super chat Monday. And I should give a quick programming note. A week from today is Martin Luther King Jr. day here in the United States of America. It certainly is. And the way that I celebrate that. that with my family is by watching the Buffalo Sabres. So I'm going to be at the Savers game on that Monday.

So I think we're going to switch to Tuesday next week. Yeah, we'll be back next Tuesday. But for those patrons, you're going to get the Wednesday all the same. Correct. So we're also going to be getting that listener challenge recorded soon. I have been very shitty at reaching out to you guys who challenged us. But this is the creep off. So you know what I say to that, Carl?

Oh, bitch. Bitch, bitch. Until next week. Act right, Rochester. It's nice to be important. It's more important to be nice. Gagia. Drugs are bad.

You shouldn't do drugs. Thank you! Oh, God! Look at that baby, go!