The Creep Off - Episode 3: Who Are These Creeps #2

Episode Date: December 26, 2021

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Let's do this. Look at that fancy new mickey ears. It's nice, isn't it? Yeah. RE20. I'm going to give the people what they want. Sensation. Horror shock.

It's showtime. WATC. What is happening, Vinnie Paulino. great how are all you creepos and bag slappers doing out there that's right creepos and bag slappers this episode two of who are these creeps the crossover event that's just for our patreon supporters yes the crossover no one has asked for literally no one's ever asked for us to do this i mean i asked viny and he was way against i was sore i was very sore about it he's like i got to spend more time with you i was like yes i said can we do it in my studio at least and you're like uh-uh

Uh-uh, not today. We're not having video today. We're just doing an audio-only program. By the way, our show got taken down from YouTube. It certainly did. What the hell happened? I don't know. They just said that the content was objectionable.

Really? Yes. Is someone running on us? It must be. And I'm guessing it might be the video of the dead kid in the elevator. Oh. We did show a dead child in the elevator. Oh, yeah.

That was not a good choice. That could be it then, yeah. Because you didn't find that on YouTube originally. No, I don't think I did. I think I found that on Daily Mail. Yeah, Daily Mail is the best, isn't it? I'm fucking I'm becoming a huge fan of that website. Yeah, I go there a lot.

There's a lot of good cat down there. I go there a lot. We should do a bonus show that's just called perusing daily mail. Perusing the Daily Mail. We should just hop on there and just find stories and talk about Hunter Biden for an hour and a half. One of these days. It wouldn't be any worse than these true crime podcasts. I tried to sort through this week for fucking coming up with this show.

All right, so let's talk about the format of the show. Let's get into. it. So who are these creeps? It's a show where we combine both show formats. We are going to analyze true crime podcasts. And our goal is to bring the worst true crime podcasts we could find and then we'll let the fine people vote on who brought the worst one. Now last time I won in a landslide because I'm good at this. Yes, you're very good at this. This is what I do. I'm really good at finding creeps. You're very good at analyzing podcasts. You're the creep guy. I'm that this podcast sucks guy. So that's why we're in my basement.

on my home turf because I feel like this is kind of where I'm comfortable. Well, buddy, you never win a championship if you can't play well on the road. I want you to get comfortable. I want you to get started. I'm not comfortable. I'm dressed like an adult today. You are? Why is that?

You got a court later? I got a meeting later. I just want my kids back. No, I got a meeting later. How did I not recognize you weren't wearing a pro wrestling t-shirt for once? Dude, I'm so uncomfortable. I had like a button shirt with a collar. You look good.

Oh, fuck off. It's a spring color, too. It's very light green, greenish blue. It's seafone. Okay, fair enough. All right, so last time we did this, Vinny, we kind of went back and forth. I played some clips. You played some clips.

I want to do it differently this time. I don't care. I want you to just go and present your entire podcast, and then I'll present my entire podcast. Well, you won, so you have to go first. Oh, okay. I could do that. Yeah, creep off rules. Okay.

I could do that. All right. You're first. I'm going to go first. By the way. Stick around at the end. We're going to do a little scum parade plan for you today. Yeah.

Well, a little scum parade at the end. Okay. Well, I'll tell you what I did here, Vinny. I found a true crime podcast that sucks. Hard, very hard. Really bad. Let me guess.

It's hosted by women. It's, uh, no. But it's, uh, it's about 22 minutes long. Okay. And I'm just going to play the entire thing. I don't want to do that. Oh, yeah. That's what we're doing today.

Oh, you lazy asshole. Get ready for it, buddy. You're going to enjoy this. Today's story. features real horror it took place in the night of October 31st

in 1979 is this fucking dead town no this is of monsters and madman of monsters and madman of monsters and madmen again a show title that's almost impossible to find

right he even has an ampersand not the word and yeah to make it even harder that's him though isn't it Ledford this is our buddy so he has a new

fucking true crime podcast He, Vinny, he has more podcasts than we have episodes. I'm not even joking. I'm not exaggerating about this. Teen accepted a ride home from two men. One of whom she recognized as a customer at the restaurant where she worked. She was in the van just a few minutes before the men bound and gagged her. Over the next few hours, she would be viciously tortured and raped by both men, before being murdered and dumped into the suburban backyard, north of Los Angeles.

And that's how he met. Carly. This is of Monsters and Mad Men. Isn't it interesting how he starts the show with the crime? Don't you normally build up to it? Well, the way we do it is we usually like to tease before you get to the meat of the subject. Yeah, no, he just gets right into it. I hate this music.

I hate all these podcasts. I got to say, of the Patrick Michael music, this one is the coolest song. Okay. Of all the different podcasts. Where do you download it from? It might be free on anger. Well, I'm going to tell you right now, that drumming sounds way too good to be Chab.

It's not him. He did not create this. I can't believe that you're making me listen to this whole thing. It's going to be fun. It's going to get fun. Welcome to Monsters and Mad Men. Happy to be here doing an episode for you guys. We're happy to you, buddy.

And the truth is, when I came across this story, I wasn't sure which toolbox killer they meant. Okay? because that's what today's episode is about and it's about these two guys and we're going to get into all of that shortly but these two guys Lawrence Bideker and Roy Norris.

So when he came across the story he wasn't sure which toolbox killer if you Google toolbox killer Yeah it's those two guys In the knowledge graph it's Lawrence Bidiker and Roy Norris Like those are those are the guys Well there's the toy box killer

Yes correct well you really know your shit Yeah yeah yeah the toy box goes a different person Totally different person Yeah yeah yeah But Patty says when I heard it was the toolbox killer. I wasn't sure who it was. Right. Now these guys are known as the toolbox killers and I've said this four times and had to figure out the real way that I wanted to get it out there to you guys. But it just seems to me

that this is a common name. You could figure it out before you hit record. He goes, I just feel like it's a common name. Why? Why do you think that? It's not. It's just these guys. With killers. But I also picture these guys walking around with an actual toolbox, which is sad to see. Why? Why is that sad to see? Why? They have jobs. They have jobs.

That guy might know a train. How depressing. He doesn't send a fucking closet. What are you going to do? Go fix something? Yeah. What are you going to go do? Make some money today?

Let's get into this story. Fucking sad, man. All right. Shirley Lynette Ledford was the fifth victim of the killers, Bidiker, and Norris. He started a little too late into the story. And he did become the two. toolbox killers because of their use of the common household tools as implements of torture.

The pair met in prison in San Luis Obispo in 1978, Biddecker was serving time for an assault with a deadly weapon and Norris for a rape conviction. They both had extensive criminal backgrounds. They bonded over their shared hatred of women, and they began making plans for a crime spree once they were released. When we get out of here, all that women are going to pay? That's how Dick Marchton and I became friends too You know what? I want to just take a second here And just point out something

This music bed, right? Oh, it's ridiculous Now here's the thing Do you remember when we first started the creep off? Yes And I did the first episode During the Scum parade I had like really happy marching music

I do It was because it was me directly mocking All of the podcasts That do this fucking shitty music bed I thought it would be funny To have upbeat happy marching music Behind Story of a Toronto I'm still with that.

The problem with the music you picked is that it was too dynamic. So it would get real loud and then quiet. And that's fine. It's gone. It doesn't matter. But I just wanted to explain people why we did that originally. It was to mock this. Gotcha.

And there is some ridiculous music in this episode. Their goal was to kidnap, rape and murder teenage girls of varying ages. A 13 year old, 14 year old, 15 year old, and so on. And to capture audio. So wait, their goal was to get one. of each age, but not 12 over 20, right? They have to be teens? Yeah, I guess.

I guess. Why not? Got to get the whole set. And to capture audio video recordings of their murders. What's audio video? How do you capture audio video? Um, he didn't learn and he didn't, he was

in jewelry class. He wasn't an A.B. He wasn't an A.B. guy. So in your head initially, what I'm thinking is these fateful attractions are so fucking horrific. Hold on a second. These fateful attractions are horrific. What's a fateful attraction?

Vinny, do you know what that is? A fateful attraction? A fateful attraction. I think that's when the universe brings two people together. It's not a thing. No, really? It's not a thing. If you Google fateful attraction, because I'm like, is that a thing?

It pulls up fatal attraction. Correct. Yeah, which is the same. The opposite of what a fateful attraction would be. What's my point? So this is where he talks about, this is a funny point that he makes. Some of the commentary when he's not reading the story is really fantastic in this episode. So in your head initially, what I'm thinking is these fateful attractions are so fucking horrific.

Because you know you work better in a pair. And that's the sad fucking truth. The sad truth is you work better in a pair. Yeah. You haven't tried peacock. Yeah, that's just a good example of it. It's the same thing. That is very sad.

You got to have a team. Vitty and Carl. You got to make it work. And when you have two minds that are both so broken... Wait, are we talking about Trey and Patty still? What are we talking about? This time I think that was us. Oh, okay.

They come up with a wheel of consequences. It's true. That was a bad decision. Broken. They have similar ideas in torturing and kidnapping people. You got to somehow nip that in the butt. And that's exactly what I think is happening in prisons many a time is the worst criminals will go there and become better criminals. It's the chosen way.

You can choose to do this or you can choose to be like, no, I'm not fucking hanging out with this guy who's convicted. This fucking guy's ability to talk is not getting better. And he doesn't know what he's talking about. It's becoming the chosen way to become a better criminal when you go to prison. Yeah, they call going to college. That's what the Italians call it, right, Casey? It's the chosen way. You can choose to do this, or you can choose to be like,

no, I'm not fucking hanging out with this guy who's convicted of rape. Why would I be his friend? Even if you're there for an assault. Who knows what your assault was for? I don't know. It's just a weird thing that they put. You wouldn't know what your assault was for. Who knows?

It's probably written somewhere. I'm sure there's paperwork telling you. Yeah. But what a weird make-em-up. I know. What a strange fucking mind this kid has. He's like, and they're in prison, and they could be in there for assault, but he doesn't want to hang out with the rapist because the rapist, you know,

there's a hierarchy. And I imagine that the arsonists, however, would have me at their table. I know exactly. He's speculating on how prison works. He doesn't even know how the world works. He doesn't know how, like, working at a factory works or just a normal job. Working. Working.

He doesn't know what working works. Put them together, and now they get to share their collective ideas. You get you a deal on a pair of headphones, though. That's true. He knows how headphones work, the wall of headphones. Biddinger was paroled in November of 1978 and began making preparations. He purchased the 1977 GMC cargo van that he eventually calls Murder Mac. That's a fun name.

Yeah. Hey, Hop and Murder Mac. Let's take your picture. Yeah, I call my car Big Red. I like it. Nicknames for cars is fun. You might be a serial killer. I don't know why I invite you over to my house.

Hey, hey, hey, what do you say? A pair met up in February of 1979, where they put their sadistic plans into action. For the first few months, they cruised around Los Angeles doing trial runs where they stop to talk to teenage girls and take their pictures. All right, Beck W is saying PM has been to prison.

Is this true? I mean, maybe jail. I could see jail. There's no fucking way he's been to prison. He's been in lockup probably. Probably. Overnight, maybe a weekend. Yeah, I can imagine.

He threw some temper tantrum that went too far somewhere one day. Well, we know that alcohol and him don't mix well together, so I'm sure an incident occurred, an incident or two. Yeah. But I don't think he's been to prison.

I mean, do we have any proof of this, Beck W. Yeah, you are Soiling the good name. That is libel and slender. They abducted their first victim in June of 1979.

Now, for me, it's so weird when you hear how these got their strategy, like Ted Bundy, pretending to be injured, anything to get them to put down their defenses. What's weird about that? Yeah, that's exactly what you're supposed

to do. Yeah. It's so weird that they have a strategy in order to accomplish their goals. That's so weird. You mean? No, that's not weird at all. Having a plan and not just doing things at random. That's the part that's not weird, to be honest with, yeah.

And a lot of these killers were taking pictures. So you have to wonder, how many young girls didn't have a camera that they kept falling for this? To consistently be duped with the same shit? All right. How many times do you think you could murder a person? Right. You're consistently getting duped. Every time it's a serial killer.

Every weekend, this guy picks me up. He's got a camera and he murders me. And he strangles me and rapes me, tortures me. I'm so stupid. I keep following for it. And he goes, this is 1979 we're talking about. These teenage girls don't even have a camera. We got no shit.

They didn't have a camera. Yeah, thanks Steve Jobs. Saved a lot of lives. By the way, Patrick comes in the same. conclusion. Oh, God damn, but I'm going to kill myself. Wait for it. How many guys have we seen that have easily done this exact thing where they're like, hey, I'll take your photo. Oh, I think I just heard a baby. I definitely heard a baby not being intended to. Baby alert, baby alert. Let's go back to that. Have easily done this exact thing where they're like,

hey, I'll take your photo. Come back to my place. I got a studio. Blah, blah, blah. lot. I don't know, Patty. You think he's used that lie? Come up back to my trailer. I have a studio. You're really into true crime. Is that a common thing? Yes. Okay. Very much so. Okay. It's got what you want to do is get people to another location.

This is a serious warning to anybody. If somebody tries to get you or lure you, if you're at a party or somewhere and someone's like, hey, trying really hard to get you to go somewhere else, say no. Just don't go anywhere else with anybody ever. You know what's fascinating about you, Vinny? Wait until you heard the end of this episode. when Patrick Michael draws the same conclusion

and gives the same advice. You should be disappointed than yourself. But it's the fact... Good advice. Common sense. That's what you call that. Even a broken clock.

Me and old Patrick Michael. Did apparently no women back then have cameras? They also all wanted to have their photo taken and didn't have the means. Fucking narcissistic women. Nothing ever changes. This is true. This is true.

You tell a girl she's pretty. She will go a long way with that. Go back and show these girls' Instagram. See how quick they jump in your car. I'm blaming this on them, but it's like... Sounds like you are. People can get so mad about technology. I'm not blaming this on them, but it's like...

People can get so mad about technology today, but hey, the fact that everyone's so able to take a selfie, someone asking to take your picture has to... It's so many more red flags. So he's drawn to the conclusion now that because people take selfies, they can no longer be abducted. And I would just say that maybe, but also like social media and stuff allows people to stalk people and track them down a lot easier.

They can take pictures of themselves. Therefore, all stalking and kidnapping has ceased. Problem solved. I must have fucking missed that fucking episode of Good Morning America. Well, they announced that shit. Now, their first abduction victim in 1970, in June of 1979, was named Cindy Schaefer. She was only 16 years old.

She was hitchhiking home from a church youth group meeting when the men noticed her. They offer her a ride, but she declined. Perhaps she was sensing danger, so she continued to walk towards her grandmother's house.

Or maybe she was a teenager and a couple of fucking goons from jail walked up to her. In a van with no windows out of it, by the way, the fucking murder machine. How are you doing there tonight? Praise the Lord. You want to go for a ride

old murder back? Who wants her right? ride a murder bag I don't know do you have like a rape wagon because I'd rather ride at that

yeah I mean he shouldn't have spray painted it on the side he would have said a mystery machine it just says murder machine

murder machine perhaps she was sensing danger so she continued to walk towards her grandmother's house the killers then drive the van

further up the road park and Norris got out and pretended to be repairing the van although he was actually just waiting

for Cindy to walk by so he could snatch her from the sidewalk. The killers then drive Cindy to a fire road in the San Gabriel Mountains outside of the city. It was a place they had previously chosen as the ideal location to commit their heinous crimes. They brutally sexually assault the teenage girl and then argue about whether or not they should kill her. Worried that she would be able to identify them if they let her go, they decided to kill her. Smart. You know, it's not, though. What I find interested here is how many of these fucking criminals

they get to this point, they rape the girl, they do everything they're going to do and then they're like, so what do we do now? I know. How did they not have to have that? They're like, how did you not decide? So listen, we're going to have to kill her. You know that right before we go do this. We'll talk about it later.

Yeah, let's put a pin in that. We'll figure it up. We'll cross that bridge. We get to it. You always want a table at this talk, but we got to get to it at some point. Whitaker held her down. I want to see the minutes from that meeting. and then argue about whether or not they should kill her.

Worried that she would be able to identify them if they let her go, they decided to kill her. Bidiger held her down while Norris tried to strangle her. But because he couldn't do it, they ended up switching, and Biddecker tried instead, but he was also not able to manually strangle the girl. So they looped a wireclothes hanger around her neck and tightened it with pliers until she finally died. They dumped her body down at her.

a nearby ravine. And her remains were never found. Oh, shit! Beck W. Yeah, I'm looking at that too. Holy shit, Beck W. What do you try to do to us? I don't know that I want to talk about this.

Battery resulting in bodily injury. Victim less than 14 years old and defendant at least 18 years old. So that is an adult beating up a child. Oh, Jesus. He's 33 at this time. wait so that means he oh no

oh no okay I don't want to I don't want to oh I don't want to go down this road back Jesus

okay so he does know about prison okay so guess what I take it all back I will never have a problem making fun of this fucking kid again

oh shit Jesus Christ oh my God this is going to be the most unbelievable episode behind a pay all ever. Wow. Beck W. God bless you. Oh, Jesus. So listen, maybe don't read the name. Maybe we

don't say the person's name. Maybe you just read that description there. Hold on a second. I don't know that this is, this is our guy. The date of the sentencing is 2013. He's 33 years old in 2013. Is that mean he's in his 40s now? I, maybe. I sure does look like him, doesn't it? Yeah, I mean, it's odd that you'd find somebody with that name that's also a ginger. Jesus, crazy fucking beat up a child? This is terrible. Yeah, man, now you're on fucking notice, Carl. Good thing I'm not a child.

Beck W says he's on the registry and that's why it's his current age that's showing, not the age of the conviction. Oh, thank you, Back W. All over this shit. so this registry includes convictions for the crimes of neglect oh see I thought that this they were saying that he did this but this is just the registry that he's on yeah that includes child because I saw child selling I was like wait what the fuck I don't think I need headphones when he's selling his kids now oh Jesus that is not the case I mean put it out there let's be honest who's buying you're right the only thing we know for sure is so so this could have happened so okay he was younger than if this happened in 2013 if he's 33 now so he was in his mid-20s

yeah you're bad at math Jesus Christ that must have been the Army's incident was that the Army's incident you didn't do a good job closing last night I'll fucking kill everyone he just beat up a 12 year old

standing the line what the fuck he said the victim was under 13 yeah I know hey I asked for curly fries I'll fucking kill you Animal Oh Jesus Christ Do you think he just rips his shirt and screams

Animal And just starts Crawling Fiss God damn it Oh wow Okay Make your own Frosty bitch I'd love to know more about that

At some point But He didn't have a kid that The kids can't be that old I don't think it was his kid Yeah No it wasn't his kid but that would explain why he gets so riled up

when you talk about child protective services. I'm sorry, I'm going to have to do this joke who just did it. This is the best joke ever. Where did it go? Oh, so this came from John Mulvey so the kid chose to fight him. That's a good idea.

The other one would have been a lot worse. God damn it Well this show has gotten so derailed now Holy shit Okay dude you've been hassling this kid for how many years now You just saw this I might have known about it I don't like to get into people's personal shit

You know I like to make fun of their podcasting abilities I don't really like to get into It came into conversation naturally It did it did come up naturally I shouldn't have questioned whether he was actually in prison before or not I should have just let that one slide we still don't know if he was fucking in prison it's probably jail god i don't know yeah i mean he's on a registry

so uh i don't know what that means not a wedding one no not the fun kind that they break you kiss let you want it's not an amazon wish list could you imagine his registry just a ton of headphones Just list of shitty headphones Hot wheels Like it's just all different

Kinds Okay All right Where were we in this? Let's see What does this tell us About our two Toolbox killers

They got dubbed this name Simply because they were You're done, aren't you? Don't believe you I'm going to look at this guy I got to play This next part Because it's really funny

All right Because you notice he just said that the one guy, it was Roy Norris, tried to choke this 16-year-old girl out. He couldn't do it. And then the other guy, Lawrence Bidiker, had to, like, put a coat hanger on her neck and use pliers to choke her out. So I love Patty's analysis of this. So what does this tell us about our two toolbox killers? They got dubbed this name simply because they were so fucking poor and cheap. That they had to use random shit like a clotheshanger.

Now, I feel horrible for this poor girl. I mean, two guys try to strangle her and it doesn't happen. And then they put a close. That's so crazy. Like, how weak are these dudes? What the fuck? I mean, if she had an opportunity to fight back, she probably could have saved her life and just killed both of them.

What? It's like he was there. These guys are giant pussies. I like how he's like, and then they're so fucking poor that he'll only use household items. Like, could you imagine if he was a murder? He just strangle people with shitty headphone cables. The headphone killer!

The $5 headphone killer! That's a graduate from what he is now. Right now he's the $5 headphone ear rapist. That's what... And that's probably why they had to get together. They had to be a team. They weren't going to have any success by themselves.

Because they're pussies. They're pussies and your kids are crying. They need to be taught disciplined, Patrick. So I looked into this, Vinny. You think I'm lazy, but I am not lazy. I looked into this. Okay. The reason why Roy Norris stopped choking this girl out

is because she made like this face at him that haunted him. Yeah. And he actually got sick. He actually felt bad about it. Yeah. Stop choking her and like puked next to the van. You don't hear about that that often of these stories.

You don't. It was like one of those rare things you're like, oh, this guy realizes he's a monster, and it kind of fucked with him for a second. And Patrick's turned this into, this fucking pussy can't even beat up a 16-year-old. I'll fucking kill that girl. I can beat up a 16-year-old.

Leave it to Patrick Michael to miss the moral of the story. Yeah, right. You know, and the one guy should have definitely tried to get off just eating the prison food and back to regular human people food before he thought he had enough strength to accomplish. What do you think they'd give them in prison? Not normal human people food?

All right. What the fight? Prison food. The reason why he couldn't choke her out is because he was eating prison food. Yeah, he don't get a lot of strength, but all they do is give you Alpo. Yeah. Have you seen people in prison? They're not weak people.

That's all they do is work out. I'm just going to sit back and just let the voice of experience tell me how it really goes. Okay, that's a good point. Get off just eating the prison food and back to regular human people food before he thought he had enough strength to accomplish anything. So two weeks later The sadistic killers would claim another victim

Andrea Hall was 18 and she was hitchhiking when she encountered the men Norris hid in the back of the van while Biddecker offered the young girl a ride Once Bidiger had gotten Andrea Hall into the van he offered her a drink from the cooler she accepted climbed into the back to retrieve it where Norris was waiting to pounce on her

A struggle ensued But eventually Norris was able to overcome the teenager And she was bound and gagged Well, I thought the guy was a pussy What just happened? All of a sudden, now he's able to beat up teenagers And get over on him It sounds like Patrick Michael's not good at keeping a narrative

Right They again drove to the San Gabriel Mountains Parked further down the fire road They took turns raping Andrea Hall and forced the terrified girl to pose for Polaroid pictures. After giving her an opportunity to plead for her life,

Bidiger thrust an ice pick into her ear. He then flipped her over and jammed it into her other ear stomping on the handle until it broke. Even after all of that, she was still conscious and alive. So he manually strangled her to death before throwing her body down a ravine.

Huh. Just wow, dude. I didn't cut this. This is how he edits his show. Listen to how the music stops and he goes into his commentary on it. Still conscious and alive. So he manually strangled her to death

before throwing her body down a ravine. Just wow, dude. Absolutely wow. I love this guy's commentary. The orchestra had to stop. He's like, oh, I stop the music to let you know that now this is my personal information that I'm putting out there.

Wow, dude. It's time for me to editorialize. Yes, I'm going to editorialize for a moment. Wow. Wow, dude. Just wow. No wonder he likes Christalia so much. It's similar to like Chris Delia's show.

He's like, oh, family guy, dude, family guy. Funny show, dude. Dude, family guy. You're hurting my soul. This murder, heinous, man. Just heinous. This murder, heinous. Can't believe heinous.

We should do with Christa Leia hosting a true cry podcast. Ice Pick, man. Ice Pick, man. Hainous, man. In her ear. Haneus. Right in the ear. I was listening to you not too long.

I was going to brush with that one. It was not Chrysaleo. It's better. Do you guys see this ice pick? Do you guys see the ice pick in the ear? Hayness. How did you get to see this? It was like, uh...

Hey, Jay. That's a cool steam powered car you got there. Hey, John, get out of here. Who invited stuttering John? That was jammed into this dude's ear. And God, he was still conscious and all that shit, too. You're like, oh, man. I would be mad at my own strength.

I would be mad that I didn't go down quicker like take me out I want to fall down and it just be over you know what I mean just in public I want to trip on something

and snap my neck it's over I don't want to fall down snap my neck and then be paralyzed for the next 25 years don't do either yeah just look where you're going stupid

right you know what I'm saying like let's get it out and over quickly one shot why you're tripping so much but in this situation obviously I'm making

jokes, but it's because... Those were jokes! Okay? These are jokes, people. I didn't realize he was making jokes. All right. It's so damn gruesome and fucking just tragic, dude. Just tragic. And it's shit like this that has made

a lot of our society afraid and depressed and anxious. No, it's literally people like Patrick Michael who love these types of stories

and do podcasts about them over and over and over again. Don't true crime shame, may. All afraid of a stranger. Even when some strangers do have your best interest in mind. Some do. Huh?

So what he just said was, not every stranger wants to murder you. Yeah. Not every single stranger. I mean, it seems like every stranger is a rapist, but that's actually not true, many? I'm going to go out on a lemon set.

Lemon say that the number's probably higher than we think it is, but he's right, not everybody. No, I love that he says some. Well, hear this again. Some strangers. Even when some strangers do have your best interest in mind. Some strangers are just nice people who don't want to see you die. Some people are just people going about their business in the world. Yeah, some people don't even worry about you.

They're not even concerned. Some do. But we've came too far, knowing and learning. We've come too far, Patrick. We've came too far, knowing and learning. It's the, you have a better chance of survival if you just don't trust anyone. He's terrible. Thanks, stone cold, Steve Austin.

His sentence structure is atrocious. Don't trust anyone, and you won't get an ice pick jammed into your skull. What? About two months later, in September of 1979, Lawrence Biddecker and Roy Norris were out looking for girls yet again. They spotted Jackie Gilliam, who was 15, and Jacqueline Lee Lamp, who was 13. They were sitting at a bus stop in Hermosa Beach. The girls have been hitchhiking along the Pacific Coast Highway.

They had stopped at the bus stop to take a rest, and the men off with them once again to the San Gabriel Mountains. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Jackie Yillam was sexually assaulted repeatedly, but neither men had any sexual interest in Lamp. When the killers had... Well, Lamp was 13 years old. I mean, I think that's probably a good thing. Someone just sent me someone's LinkedIn.

Oh, no, really? Can I read you one sentence? Yeah, this really goes against what I stand for on this show. Just one sentence. Go ahead, yep. I'm not going to say anything else. I learn quickly. I'm very reliable.

I'm a team player. and I am a solo artist So that's a sentence Doesn't say anything about prison? Nothing about prison. But I like, I'm a team player. I'm a team player and a solo artist. That's amazing.

That's the best sentence. That's the best. All right, sorry. That's it. Stop doxing people. This is great. Tried. When the killers were tired

of the sexual assault and torts. Somebody wrote in here, this man has been unemployed for six years. He's a professional podcaster. Even if you only have 10 or 12 downloads, you still make money with anchor.fm. Solo artist technically is a really fancy way of state unemployed. That's a good point.

The church of the girls, they murdered them. Lee Lampp was bludgeon to death, and Jackie Gilliam was stabbed in her ear with an ice pick. Why don't I think of just the ice pick killers? I know, there's a lot of ice pick things. The toolbox thing seemed odd to me, to be honest with you. It's like they have a fucking rape van. Can we work that into it somewhere?

Can we work in murder back somewhere? Yeah, let's get the murder back going. When Jackie Gilliam's skeletal remains were recovered months later, pieces of the ice pick were still lodged in her skull. So this situation is a little different than the first couple, where these girls actually, I guess, were looking for the ride. They needed this ride and they accepted it, not knowing that these are bad guys.

It's a free ride! And that's kind of another reason that the worst. The world is not so safe because even if in your head you think everyone has good intentions. You're bad with lyrics. Wait, isn't it? It's a free ride when you're already there, isn't it? It's a free ride when you've already paid. No, it's a free ride when you're already there.

It's a free ride when you've already paid. All right, now I'm looking it up. Now, now we've got. What's the bet? I already have too many things going on. Drive to Gary, Indiana. Try math. What do you want to do?

Podcast on math. Are we really looking up the lyrics of the song? Fuck yeah, I'm looking up the lyrics. I don't know you're going to look up the lyrics. I'm just going to play it. It's like a free ride when you've already paid. What are you doing? It's a free ride. They give you a free ride, but you already paid. What's a ride?

Instead of it's not free. It doesn't make any sense. You and Alanis do not understand irony. No, we definitely. That's a good point. Yeah. All right. You got me there. Where were we?

You're there and everywhere. Get yourself caught up because too many times it's worked out for you. Too many times you did get in that car. You did get to where you were going and you did that safely. But all it takes is that one time. All it takes is that one time for everything to flip. And you're like, holy shit. This guy's.

face totally changed. The friendly demeanor he once had that swayed you to get into the car is gone, and now all you see is a monster in front of you. And you're unprepared. But again, unlike in horror movies,

the bad guy in real life just looks like a regular guy. In most cases. What is he talking about right here? He's saying that sometimes you get free rides and it's fine. No one tries to kill you. And then other times it's not fine.

They do try to kill you. And sometimes they look like monsters. And other times they doubt. They look friendly. Everyone could possibly kill you. It's a good rule of life. Great advice. But surely Lynette Ledford would be the last teenage girl to lose her life at the hands of Bidiker and Norris.

She was picked up on Halloween night in 1979. All right. Let's fast forward. Ledford's torture You got it Encouragement But all the wrong kind Both of them are

And like I said This is a fatal attraction These are two dudes that That's not what you said You said it was a fateful attraction And He's talking about these two guys Uniting in prison

And he says Is that a fatal attraction? Isn't it a fatal attraction When you're attracted to someone Who will kill you? Yes Not when you like meet up with another guy Who also wants to kill people

Yes actually signs his letters Plyers Biddecker demonstrating his complete lack of remorse for his horrific crimes So what a giant Piece of garbage Both of them are

And like I said This is a fatal attraction These are two dudes that never should have met Would that have stopped them From committing these crimes solo? I doubt it What's the difference then? Also he goes

This is a terrible thing that happens These people go to prison And they meet up with other murderers and convicts that are in there what's the alternative what does he want to do what does Patrick Michael want to do

I think he's doing what he wants to do did it make them more willing to go through with it yeah they had a guy they had a partner somebody saying hey man let's do this you got it you got it

encouragement but all the wrong kind Norris actually went on to confide in an old prison buddy named Joe Jackson. Shulis Joe Jackson? That's the one. Telling him details of or look sharp Joe Jackson.

Sexual assaults and murders he committed with Biddecker. Jackson believed these to be tall tales until Shirley Lynette Ledford's body was discovered. After Joe Jackson tipped them off, the surviving victims were able to positively identify. Biddicker's trial would last for about a month. Would he have been so...

I thought when he said Norris and Norris would go on to, I swear to God, I thought he was saying, Norris would go on to run the soundboard for the king of all media. Turning on there. Solnates or whatever. But again, what else do you have to talk about? So he's going to share these details, but I am curious about him.

You know, would he have went through it, helping them identify this guy if he didn't have his own kids. I love the speculating. But the fact that they have audio of show. Shirley's death, which they said was on a quiet street. What's that mean? No houses, minimal cars, or a neighborhood. It means no houses.

They were telling her to scream. They were getting audio of her screaming as they were torturing her. It means no houses. Yeah. He's like, what does that mean? Was it a neighborhood? Because if they were making her scream, it just makes you wonder, how did nobody hear that?

Because there was no one around. They went to a place where there was no one around. I didn't even wonder for a second. I just assumed. I didn't want it for a second. And then the 500 photos. It's just, it's a scary thing to see.

Especially for the investigators, because they have to be like, well, are these people still alive? And then imagine finding out that you were one of the photos they had, but you're fine. Because in your head, you were like,

I just got my picture taken and I went home. Whereas some of these other ones, didn't have the same outcome. There's the music. A 17-minute segment of the audio tape of Shirley's torture was played for the jury

at Lawrence Biddecker's trial. The recording was so graphic and disturbing that several jurors cried while listening and some spectators ran out of the room. And everyone else was a monster. Only several of them cried during it. The other ones were like, I've heard worse.

I've heard worse torture than that. In February of 1981, Lawrence Biddecker was found guilty of five counts of murder, as well as many other crimes, including kidnapping and rape. He was sentenced to death and sent to San Quentin, where he remains to this day. From his cell on death row, Bidiker passed his time filing dozens of lawsuits, including one in which he sued the prison for serving him a broken cookie. As a result of these frivolous lawsuits, he was designated

that he can no longer file lawsuits without permission from a lawyer or a judge. These days he keeps busy making custom greeting cards and writing his memoir. In exchange for his testimony, Roy North. Do we need to have the creepy music still going? These days, he's written greeting cards and drawing pictures all day. You know, I love how when we drew the creep off, you give me shit for going on too long. Oh, my God. It annoys the shit out of me.

Too many details. I just don't care. And this is what I'm listening to. I know. To life in prison. All right, let me just get to the part where he plugs all of his other podcasts. both men have been in prison more than twice as long as any of their victims lived no way he did that math on his own yep no way he did that and that is our of monsters and madmen episode this being

the monsters part are also madmen both you know it's essentially encompassing everything that this podcast is about i was not expecting the story guys i was not expecting to go through and find that these guys are just so vicious. The name Toolbox Killer should be different. It's not, that's not even this foundation of what they were doing. It's so much more fucked up. He wasn't expecting this story. What is he doing?

What is he doing? What is he doing? And audio recordings and what have you. But again, he goes back to, yeah, we can all get so mad at Tech. But in a lot of ways, I would say it's helped these numbers of random killings go down. Or abductions, kidnappings, things of that nature. You would think. You would think that technology has helped it go down.

But who knows? I don't have the numbers in front of me. But you can say that if you need an Uber, you need a ride, you don't have to just go in some random stranger's car. Somebody wants to take a picture of you. say no thanks I'll have a picture done on my own phone I can handle that I have a selfie stick and then oh little paddy joke right there he's got I got a selfie stick can't have talked to me catch me if you can I got a selfie stick I'm a selfie stick man you can't kidnapurate me look at me taking my own pictures of myself yep don't need you it does take away our ability

to exchange thoughts and looks, I guess you'd say, we're strangers. Hey, honey, if you're going out dressed like that, take the selfie stick. Because like I said before, these situations have only made it harder for us to accept a stranger being genuine. It's a lot harder to let people in these days because you never know who has nefarious intentions. But thank you guys so much. Did he say nefarious? I think he just said nefarious.

And I was debating in my head. Should I make fun of anyone for mispronouncing a word? No, I got it. I got it. I got it. I went for listening. Patreon.com slash podculture. $3.

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His head smashed in when he was 12 years old. He had an orchard store. All he wanted was the curly fries. Have you ordered the curly fries? He expected to get the curly fries. Do you party? Briefcase. All right.

I'm doing a lot of stuff and that $3 goes a long way goes right back into this content but until then how does the $3 go into his content? What's he talking about?

All right Benny that's what I had for today. Oh fuck me. This is going to be hard to be of monsters and madman from our buddy Petty Broken Skow. Now Carl

lately I've been telling you this piece of advice. I said, do you know how women really, really love true crime? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you know that women love it a lot? I did know that, yes. Did you know that Marie Claire and Cosmo both had a category for top true crime podcast?

Of course they did. And for 2021, the winner was Killer Queens. Oh, boy. A true crime podcast. Now, ladies and gentlemen. Two women hosting. Yep. I'm going to guess their best friends in real life.

Sisters, in fact. Sisters. Okay, even better. Yep. Let me just make a couple more bold predictions here. I'm going to say that they're reading the internet to each other. Nope. Oh, interesting. Is there wine involved? No, no. These two, here's what's interesting about these two.

These two are actually successful podcasters. Well, right. They have about 1,700 patrons on their Patreon account, which is pretty good. Pretty good. And let me describe to you how they describe their podcast. That'd be great. It's a light true crime podcast with killer 90s references in Southern SaaS. discussing cases from the infamous to obscure and a way that feels like you're chatting with your besties. Oh, I hate that. If you love true crime and 90s references...

Again with the 90s references. You found your podcast. Now there's another description underneath that. We've taken our shared love of true crime and the 90s, and then in parentheses, spice girls, clueless, friends quotes, Lisa Frank stickers, and combine them to make a light true crime podcast with killer 90s references. Jesus Christ

Again with the 90s So these people Their growth is stunted Correct They want to make sure you understand That we want you to feel like You're sitting around a table With your best friend

Talking about your favorite cases We don't investigate We just recap the cases And say out loud What you've always been thinking Wait They're just recapping the cases Yeah

So how is that saying out of what I've been thinking Isn't that two opposite things? Oh Carl you'll see I actually have some reviews here From the listeners Okay. This one came from Nickel 85. I love the banter between the ladies.

Reminds me of me and my best friend. God damn it. And I love the 90s references. And the not-so PC realness of the 90s and the 2000 throwbacks and references. Keep it up, ladies. Oh my God. So people are just programmed to repeat back to them what they've been told. Amy Doke on iTunes.

It's like listening to my besties as they talk about cases. I can enjoy my obsession of letter kidding 90s and true crime. This cast makes me. and easy to listen. Hear Fax and be a part of the discussion. Stay Golden Girls. Oh, that's the 80s. Yeah.

And then last, we'll read one more for you. Will Miss Cupcake says, I actually stumbled across this podcast on a different platform, and they hooked me right in. Like, I feel like I'm just hanging out with my people talking about cases. So that's what they really want you to know.

All three of those. All three of those reviews are on the front page of their website. Of course. I think that needed to be pointed out. Wow. Now, Carl. I got this up. I got to look up, Killer Queens.

Oh, here's a picture of their cover. Doesn't that look nice? Oh, it's very 90s looking. It's very, like there's a boom box. No murder or anything. There's a pair of headphones. Okay. Yeah, it kind of looks like saved by the bell or something like that.

Yeah, that's kind of what they're going for, as you can tell. So, ladies and gentlemen, let's talk about the show. I'm going to play you the opening of this, Carl. I want you to give this a listen. Tell me you wouldn't just be sucked into this. Hello and welcome to Killer Queens, a true crime podcast. I'm your host, Terrella, and I'm your better, prettier, younger host, Tori. We're sisters who are obsessed with true crime and love Galpalin with you about cases.

You can expect the occasional curse word, lots of friends quotes, and all the 90s nostalgia. To get in on the conversation, check us out at killer queenspodcast.com. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook at Killer Queen's. podcast and so all the shit like this is high energy right this is actually very different than most of the podcasts i've listened to i was going to say the same thing the thing that i i have to give them credit for is they've gone with something and they're sticking to it like yeah this is the lane that we're in we will not veer off this lane right we will talk about the show friends and we will be your bestie and we'll talk about murders now carl let's hear a little bit more about our host

i pulled this clip from later in the show while they were doing a commercial read and this uh also kind of explains these too We both suffer from anxiety and have experienced bouts of depression and literally like one of the things I'm most thankful for in my entire life is therapy oh my God can I get an amen

exactly yeah so we're anxiety cases we need therapy and it's always the women who consume nothing but horrific information all day long every day they love true crime and they're like but also I suffer from anxiety

you want to know why Why? Do you want to know why? The ice pick killers why. Go back to watching Friends. Here's a little bit more about, I believe this is the younger sister. In my skinny jeans. I'm wearing skinny jeans. And I have a side part.

Yep. Yep. And I'm 35. God. Oh, geez. That is yucky. Do these chicks think they're hot? Yes.

I get the sense they think they're hot because their little glamour photo on the front page of their website tells me that they're feeling it. They're pretty done off. They definitely think they're so. something else. Now, Carl, they came out of the gate really, really excited for this episode. Now, I only listened to what episode, their most recent. And it was part one about a subject that I know quite a bit about. So this was exciting for me to listen to it. Listen to how excited they are to take on this crazy 90s case. I'm so excited. I'm so ready to talk about this. I'm ready to. You were not ready. I wasn't ready. I was just telling Tori this before we

started recording. This is the case that I was just like, okay. Yeah. I mean, And, you know, it's just not that I don't care. It's just there's some cases that grab you, some cases that just don't grab you as much. She's talking about the murder slash suicide of Kurt Cobain. Well, you say murder slash. It has to be one of the other. Yeah. Well, it's debated.

Do you have an opinion on this one? Oh, God. They fucking pumped him full of heroin and fucking shot him in the head. Okay. Well, dude. I will just say this from everything I've read. The amount of heroin in this man's body at the time that he died. he ain't lifted up shit

Okay, that's all I'm just going to say He's not doing anything but sitting there And going, oh, that's what he was doing His last moments. So I Can't even believe. He probably had a tolerance though, too. I just don't understand why these two girls would do this topic If one of them is not interested in it at all

I thought it was funny that one girl called out her sister at the very beginning. She's like, yeah, I'm ready for this. Like, no, you're not. You just told me you don't even give a fuck. She's like, all right, we have to talk about this on the show? I was going to pretend to be interested in it. You know how you said earlier that it's like two girls reading the internet. Yes.

It's very close, but I said no. And here's technically why. You shut me down on that one. Here's technically why. Because Carl, they have people who work for them to do the work. Oh, good. All right. So, special thanks to Madison for writing this episode.

And thanks to Mark for putting his two cents in. I know he's very interested as well. So Madison and Mark did all the work on this episode. They write the episode for them? If you go, you're on their website, right? I am. Go down to read more. There's a thing for read more on that episode.

And tell me what comes up. The entire, go down. Oh, it's all transcribed. The entire script of the episode. Now, this is not their dialogue. This is what they read. So you could read along with whatever the fuck they're doing. That is all the information.

Somebody writes up like an article. Yep. And then they just read it? Yes. Now, that's not what a show is, Vinny. That said I could do a show. Now, Carl, I'm going to give you an example of these two when they're on script, okay? Okay.

Here's on script. Kurt was magnetic with his bright, blonde hair and blue eyes. People loved being around him. He was also so kind. He was always worrying about others. And he started singing and playing guitar and drawing as a young child. His aunt, Mary, who gave him his first guitar. So you can tell, right?

She's reading. Yeah, it's not, it's not. Now, I would like you to hear these dynamic personalities when they're off script ladies and gentlemen i actually think i think like the couch that he stayed on it was like he would stay there for like a week at a time and then like you know a couple weeks than a month and then i think in one point he was there for the better part of a year yeah that's what they said yeah like for his parents to not be like hey where are you anything okay like is he wearing out as well you know like anything like just no contact it kind of seems like they were just

like okay as long as he's not bothering us we're fine exactly Exactly. It's very sad. If this is what my friend sounded like, I would kill myself. Right. Now, ladies and gentlemen, this show... I don't know anyone who talks like that. Is a mixture between the on-script and the off-script. Oh, boy. One from back, one to the other.

But it's also broken up by an amazing amount of non-energy at times. Listen to this sentence, Carl. Listen to this reaction. You're trying to tell the story. These people wrote the whole thing for you. And your job is to sell it. You've got to be the host. Listen to this.

and then one month later Kurt Cobain was dead oh my gosh like W-T-F you know it's insane did she just find out about this just now yeah I know wait Kirk Cobain like the main guy we've been talking about

this whole time yeah he was dead yeah they found him dead no Carl this show is so fucking bad oh that's terrible and it's doing and it has so many listeners it drives me crazy yeah but I want you to hear the kind of 90s talk. Oh, yeah.

Let's hear them talk about their opinion on Nirvana. And this one, I was not a big Nirvana fan. Surprise, surprise. Like, if it's not Celine, she doesn't want to hear it. Exactly. And I was just like, okay, whatever. Yeah. If it's not Celine Dion?

I don't know if she meant to say Selena or Celine Dion. Either way, terrible choices. Correct. Now, here's that I'm also talking about. By the way, I'm not surprised that these. who are not Nirvana fans. Right. Well, you, I'm just saying, you're talking about this,

and you're going about the 90s, and you're talking about grunge music and stuff like this. Listen to what they took away about the great masterpiece that was Nevermind. Nirvana and Kurt Cobain became household names across the world, and Grunge Rock began to take over. I will say, the name, Nevermind of that album made me believe for a very long time that Nevermind was just one word.

Is it not? No, I think it's too much. I got to look. I think every time I try to type it as one word, it like auto-corrects it for me. I thought it was one word. Like, oh, never mind. No, it says it's wrong.

And you can do a dash or you can, like a hyphen, or you can do two words. It is not one. The more you know. Exactly. I don't know why. I thought it was one word because I never listened in Nirvana. So I don't know.

How bad is this? Who fucking cares? Why did they entertain that subject matter? For at all. Why is it still? The one woman should have been like, whatever. I don't care what you thought about the word never mind. Carl, the fact that they left it in.

And they have people working for them doing things and they still left it in. This is the part that I don't understand about podcasting. And I'll admit that is people like to listen to people. who are just rambling about nonsense because it makes them feel better about themselves. Yeah. Because they're also morons who ramble about nonsense to people. Like, oh, about the only person who rambled about nonsense? Maybe I have some stuff I can repeat to other people.

Oh, I'm going to tell them about my experience with the word, never mind. Now, laugh at this, Carl. Okay. This is them talking about when Kurt met his famous, famous bass player in Nirvana. Okay. He met Chris Novoselik. Yes. he met Chris Nevoselik

Ladies and gentlemen His name is Chris Novicellich Yes Chris Novicellich is his name Not Chris Novosolix Now Don't you think that if you were going to do this podcast You would maybe figure out how to pronounce the guy's name

He was one third of the fucking band Yeah But they didn't care about the band They didn't care about doing the story They didn't care about anything But they do love their 90s stuff Now Carl here is an example of this these girls' humor

I got to tell you it's refreshing Wendy worried about how energetic her son was he was full of energy and always busy jumping off things and knocking things over sounds like he had a little bit of house cat in him just knocking shit off the table I was like oh were you going to drink this water

not anymore exactly of course these women have fucking cats of course they do you know they both own multiple cats now Carl these two are just funny. These two are just really a trip. And this is what people like about it.

This is what makes you feel like you're sitting with your besties. Way to hear this. This is going to crack you up. Kurt smoked a little bit of the gange when he was in high school. In high school, Kurt discovered marijuana. Marijuana cigarettes, I'm sure. I bet he inhaled. Yes, I'm sure he did. How many pots have you smoking?

How many pots have you smoking? What the fuck are they talking about? Exactly. And why are they making it? in, oh, because it's 90s. Yeah. The inhale reference. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Now, Carl, they also, this show is filled with pearls of wisdom like this. What is the thing that you say? I say it all of the time. It's Adida Vanty's quote, and she said, you can be the ripest, juiciest peach, and there's always going to be somebody

that don't like peaches. That's right. You get the wisdom of Dita Vantis on this fucking show, ladies and gentlemen. The fountain head of knowledge that is Dita Vantis. Fucking idiots. Now, I like how. this girl does an invitation to you.

I'm sorry. Anybody who believes that children should be seen and not heard has never been around a child. They're loud. Yeah, they're loud. Thanks a lot, Carl.

That's a hot take. I'm keeping that one. Now, ladies and gentlemen, this show is so fucking bad. I have basically giving you exactly what the show is, but here's the deal. They didn't finish the story. They made it into a two-parter,

even though all they did was tell you he was dead, tell you he was dead. Bitch about Courtney Loves, they call her all sorts of names. And ladies and gentlemen, they can't finish the episode. Yeah, so we're going to get to the events, you know, that transpire between that month and the investigation, but we cannot do that today. No, and our hands are tied. We have to do that next time. Because nobody wrote the story for them yet.

They don't have a script chat. Because they don't have a script yet. Or hands are tired. We can't do it. Yeah. It's impossible. Now, ladies and gentlemen, what would a bonus episode be without a super cut? I am going to give you an exact example of what listening to this entire show was like.

And I listened to the entire one hour episode of this, hoping to hear something new or interesting. And this is all I heard. Like, like, and then like, be like, hey, she's like, and he's like, and I was like, it seems like they were just like, like, like, it seems like they were just like, like, like, it's like, it seems like they were just like, like, like, like, it's like. like they were just like, like, blah, like, and, um, I'm like, listen, bleh, like, like, like, like, like, it's like, it's like, it's like, like, like, it's like, like, like, I mean, come on, like, like, like, like, I've like, like, I've no idea what's happening. Like, I literally had no idea in. Oh, no! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! I fucking hate this show. Ladies and gentlemen, y'all heard about Patrick Michael. Y'all know the story of Patrick Michael, but I would tell you that the killer

We didn't know that story. Oh, true. The Killer Queens are a far more egregious podcast than Patrick Michael trying to do another same thing he always does. These two are being successful and they have idiots working for them. So vote for Monsters and Mad Men. I believe you should vote for Killer Queens, ladies and gentlemen. We're going to put this up on Patreon? Put on both of our Patreon.

People can go and vote. Absolutely. For who they thought brought the worst true crime show. Minnie, we could do this forever, I feel like. this crossover, there's so many bad true crime podcasts. I mean, and they just knew ones every day. This thing blew my mind listening to it today. And I was like

I like true crime. I find the story of what happened to Kirk O'Bain interesting. Yeah. And they quote a million sources. When you go on that website, there's like five, I mean, there was probably two rows of ten. So like 20 different sources that they have for this. Well, researched. I did not hear one

goddamn fact of this whole thing. Unbelievable. Killer Queens. And it took him an hour. Yeah. And they couldn't tell the whole story. Yep. Almost 1,700 patrons.

Well, you know, Kirk O'Bain discovered marijuana when he was in high school. How many pots have you smoking? It's pretty bad. In high school, Kurt discovered marijuana. Marijuana cigarettes, I'm sure. Okay. Hey, Carl.

Yes, Vinny. It wouldn't be a crossover if we didn't get a little bit of the creep off in here, would it? Let's do a little bit of creep offing. Yeah. We just did the WATP part of the crossover. Let's switch on over. Let's switch some gears.

Hit the music. Watch out for the scum parade. Oh, no, it's the scum parade. Look out for a skum parade. Making me stay. It's day. For you, uninitiated WATPers, this is a little. We like to call the Scum Parade, where we talk about the dumbest pieces of shit walking the earth this week.

We're going to start in Georgia, and out of control, Georgia man is facing federal charges for allegedly causing a disturbance aboard a Delta Flight, authority said. Stephen Duncan caused the disturbance on Atlanta-bound Delta Flight, number 1730, forcing the flight to be diverted to Oklahoma City. Now, according to police, Duncan was out of control during the, quote, frightening situation. Duncan told flight attendants that he was seated next to a terrorist And he tried to get this guy in trouble Then he got up and found the loudspeaker on the plate It was like we're being hijacked He's a Delta employee

So he knows how this stuff works That's the bury the lead The guy actually is a Delta employee Who lost his fucking mind on a plane Well I want to just tell him And I want everyone to remember this That yes all terrorists are Muslims But not all Muslims are terrorists

That's I think where he was getting confused here. Yes. Because he was convinced the guy who was just sitting next to him was going to take the plane down. And in fact, he's the guy who took the plane down. Yes. Now, when he goes and tries to get a hold of the loudspeaker, the stewards

are like trying to stop him. And like, one of them's like, Stephen, we've worked together, buddy. What are he doing? He's a terrorist. He's going to kill him. And I mean, he's losing his mind. He starts throwing punches. He's biting. He choked out one of the stewardesses. Oh, yeah. People had to get involved.

Passengers had to get involved. No air marshal. If there was an air marshal, they would have shot him in the head. It would have been done with. Yeah. But they got to bring alcohol back to these flights. Yeah, I mean, people need to calm the fuck down. Weed is legal, dude.

Yeah, have a vodka tonic and calm the fuck down. Yeah. When two crew members attempted to stop Duncan, like I said, he assaulted them. Several crew members of passengers eventually subdued him. According to court documents, Duncan was charged in federal court with one kind of interference with a flight crew. Members and attendance in connection to the incident last Friday All are going to be testifying So he's in trouble

He's in big trouble And probably isn't going back to work soon I'm going to guess How pissed off would you be If you're trying to get to Atlanta And you have to win in Oklahoma City Because this fuck nut Fucking buddy

That's some episode All right We're going to go over to England shall we Yeah 59 year old Karina Smith Oh golly I'll be honest with you, Vinny. Does this terrify you?

This one was a rough one for me. And I read these stories and I try to, you know, crack wise a bit. But this one, this one got me. I wouldn't. I didn't really enjoy reading this one. I don't think I'd put this in the free show. I don't think I would. This is rough.

Because there is some, like, information in here that only are you responsible people behind the paywall should know. Yeah. And please, what I'm about to tell you, don't ever fucking do this. Correct. Ever. Sometimes we give advice on this show, and it's always sage advice. Don't ever do what Vinny's about to tell you this woman did. Okay.

Corita Smith, on the day of the incident, returned home, filled a bucket from her garden with boiling water, and mixed it with three kilograms of sugar. Now, according to the article, mixing sugar and water makes it become thicker and stickier and sticks into the skin more efficiently. I did not know that. This was something that I learned today. As her 80-year-old husband lay asleep at bed, she poured the contents over his arms and torso and then left the property. She went to a nearby house and banged on the front door

until the occupant answered. Her neighbor contacted the police in an ambulance after hearing to say, I've heard him really bad. I think I've killed him. Short time later, officers arrived at the address. They found Michael an excruciating pain and whimpering in bed with the skin on his right arm and hand peeling off.

Eight. That's fucked up. The 80-year-old victim was taken to Winston Hospital the early hours of Tuesday, July 14th of last year, in serious condition. He received a treatment for his injuries, but despite best efforts of medical staff, he died a month later. On this past Tuesday, Smith was found guilty, and she was spending the rest of her life in prison. Thank fucking Christ. Also, the man before he went to bed had the sniffles, so he did label it COVID. Oh, good. Good, good, good. It wasn't COVID death.

Okay, good. I feel better about that. Dude, that's fucking terrifying to be woken up with boiling water that tears your skin off. Yeah, and to fucking know that you put the sugar in there? 80-year-old man. How do you know to put the sugar in there? I've never heard this in my life. Check her Google.

I have a feeling she was Googling some shit. How to fuck up an 80-year-old's day. Sugar water. What do you know? Day killers for 80-year-olds. Fuck, man. That's brutal. Plus, the woman had no plan after that.

She tries to murder the guy and then runs to the neighbor and says, I just fucking murdered my husband. Yeah. You think he'll tell? I keep this on the DL, but guess what I just did? You guys want to hear a secret? All right, Christopher Gonzalez. This is a fun one.

All right, let's get back to fun stuff. Let me ask you a question. You ever about a road trip with your lady gotten into a fight? Sure, of course. Has it ever gone really, really south? It can get heated sometimes. It can get heated. You know, he spent a lot of time together.

You're cooped up. Well, this gentleman, Christopher Gonzalez, has been charged with murder. A first-degree felony aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. And according to an arrest affidavit, Midland County Sheriff's Deputies responded to a medical call on March 28th or a woman had fallen from her husband's truck. Now, the woman who was eight months pregnant at the time was airlifted to Lubbock where she was placed in the ICU.

Now, according to the affidavit, what had happened was they got into a fight. Yeah. They were on the side of the road. road yelling at each other. Sure. And he gets back into the truck. Not good for the baby, by the. Probably not.

She probably had to stop and pee again. And so she gets out and she's fucking do whatever she's doing on the side of the road. He gets back in the truck. She goes to step up on, because this is Texas, I imagine it's a big truck. Look at me editorializing like Patrick Michael. She steps up on the bar to go and he fucking floors it. And she falls under the truck and he runs over his eight-month-old. There's eight

his eight month old baby Eight month pregnant Eight month pregnant baby Yes And wife Whatever The wife was eight months

pregnant Yep And he drove over her With the truck Yep So I would say Abortion Not murder

But whatever You know I believe his exact words Where an abortion Would have been cheaper I believe Is what he said Well I think it's

impressive That the truck Was able to get Over an eight month pregnant Woman I wouldn't be surprised If they include

that information In the commercials You know Like when they talk about The Torque Horsepower. Yeah, horsepower, torque, the ability to drive over pregnant women. Yeah.

This is a fucking pretty sweet truck. Not only can you tow a 16-foot boat. You can roll over 17-8-month pregnant women. So the baby didn't make it that, huh? Oh, no. I most certainly did not. No, no, no. This thing was Ford tough.

That's rough. Oh, shit. That's rough. All right. All right. Our last story of the day before I have to go be an adult. a Spanish waiter has been jailed for more than 15 years after killing his mom and then he stored her parts in the fridge and ate them piece by piece with his dog

Alberto Sanchez Gomez 28 was branded the cannibal killer of Ventis the area of Madrid where he lived with his mother he was found guilty of strangling the 68 year old before dismembering her body and eating parts of her remains following the trial in May detectives then found parts of her body in plastic containers inside his fridge and in drawers around the family's house. So wait, his mom continued to feed him even after she was dead. She's like an Italian woman.

She must be. It's impressive. Spanish. Well, they found her head, hands, and heart were on her bed. They found other parts of her in drawers all over the house. And that other parts of her were the frigid Tupperware. What the fuck is going on here? Don't go in that room.

My mom's in there. Oh, no. Don't go in that room either. My mom's in there. Oh, no. Don't go upstairs. My mom's up there. So this fucking guy.

trial he told the police or he told them a trial that voice he was hearing voices that they were those of his neighbors acquaintances and celebrities were telling him to kill his mother and eat them with the dog okay hey there hey there Alberto

it's me Jack Nicholson I think you need to kill your mama today hey this is Alberto what are you doing hey Alberto it's me your pal goofy maybe we should eat your mother together

so they didn't buy it oh no but believe they're not they did he was really like he really like cried cordy broke out he said I'm very repented I suffer from anxiety do a fucking podcast asshole he says I suffer for anxiety the moment I wake up

I think of my mom and I'm absolutely hard broke and he said and so I guess that the lesson is it's always important to say you're sorry yeah he got 15 years for this

that's it for eating his mom for killing and eating his mom yeah 15 years huh what is this Canada well what was the other story that we did

that was the one that I brought that was insane um what's what country were they on Czech Republic and they and they they had the kids eating themselves and they were eating the kids

yeah 30 years They got nine years. Oh, nine years, that's right. They're out of prison now. Yeah. What's going on over there in Europe? Well, way worse shit than that, apparently. Jesus Christ.

Well, that's the end of the scum parade, and I guess the end of this episode, Carl. That was fun, wasn't it? This really was way more fun than it deserved to be. Ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank you all for tuning in. WATPERS, thanks for listening. You creep-off supporters, thank you. Yeah, check out. If you're not a subscriber on the creep-off's Patreon, please go and check that out.

a bunch of episodes up there now we do the hall of fame episodes now kaya on for a hall of fame episode let's talk about that real quick because we have our next nominee oh good yes for our next uh hall of fame bonus episode pamper chew will be going into the hall of fame i'm not familiar with pamper chew oh boy are you would for a treat oh good yeah he is a dumpster diving furry oh okay who may or may not be dead there's lots of stories on it yeah there's a lot there's a lot there okay cool and uh this saturday creepos uh make sure you tune into the patreon uh for the 15th birthday celebration. That's right.

It might just be a fun scum string. We might not have some fun. I don't know that I'm going to be able to make it to that. I was planning on it. But Germany's playing a game at noon. I know you're not upset about that. I'll call McBride. Call McBride.

We're celebrating Vinnie's birthday this Saturday on Juneteenth. Oh, Carl is celebrating the isotopes's 20th birthday. That's right. 20th anniversary of the isotopes. It's very weird that our birthdays are exactly six month apart. It is. I know. Yeah.

Yin to the yang. Maybe that's what it is. It could be. I wish I had a human birthday. Fucking December sucks. Giving birth to you must have sucked. Good point. Having to carry around for those six or seven years

until your feet got fixed. How long do you think it took for them to fix my feet? At least till junior high, Ed Rager. True or false, they had you in a wheelbarrow at the prom. I can either confirm nor deny. All right. Oh, you motherfucker.

I was on the Dick show. He just texted me out of the blue. He was like, hey, we're talking about Patty's e-cups, want to call in. And so we were listening to that episode again where Patty's making fun of me for who knows what, like having a cool bike. Having a cool bike or something like that.

I go, Dick, there's so many things he could make fun of me for. Like, my teeth are fucked up, and Dick was just like, oh, it's worse than that, girl. You motherfucker. All right That was fun You got an outro theme for us No

I got nothing But I will say this Coming up on Monday's Creepoff, Creepiest German Oh is that what we're doing Have we done that one before? Nope We haven't okay

No I figured if we did Creepiest Italian last week It's your turn Okay Creepiest German it is Sounds good It's nice to be important It's more important to be nice

Good good good good Good good good good I got to go Goodbye Goodbye Goodbye