The Creep Off - Episode 59: The Softer Side of Karl

Episode Date: April 19, 2021

This week Karl is on game point, and our hosts submit their nominations for the biggest creep of the 1930’s: In the scum parade we meet an impatient fast food patron, a kinky equestrian and the Brazilian Grim Reaper.

I'm hoping we could still be friends. Uh-oh. What did you do? I hate to tell you like this, but I will be testifying for Mr. Melendez on his behalf. Oh, he's already called you as a key witness to this? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I have to testify as to your intention to emotionally harm Mr. Melendez. Oh, man, I told you all that stuff in private, though.

Yeah, I know, buddy, but he's paid. He's apparently has a lot of money, and he's paid people. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I heard that he's paid his attorney. a retainer and don't even say he's not. It was one of his kids' old retainers. That's

not the retainer that you you needed. I cleaned it. All right. Well, this is a fun start to a show, isn't it? It is. I'm going to give the people what they want. Sensation. Horror shock.

I'm going to deliver the goods because I'm alive and I'm not backing down. Cuckoo! Goopo. Disgusting, a vomit-inducing thing. Ola creepos, welcome to

another fantastic edition of the show about creeps by creeps for you creeps it's the creep off i am your host tower of power too sweet to be sour the people's champion and there's my co-host he's a piece of garbage it's hot kukkah car what is happening minnie paulino so good to see you on this fine monday afternoon oh buddy buddy boy what a great day we're going to have today i agree man i'm very excited to learn about what happened last week i'm excited to find out what's going to happen Next week, a lot of good things happen on this show. We have a lot of contests going on right now.

Maybe too many. It just might be. There's a lot going on. Let's try to sift through this and make some sense of that. So let's start here. Number one right now, you're leading in the regular voting for last week's episode. You're going into this week. I'm going to show you the score.

Okay. So last week. The last week we did Creepiest Wrestler. Everybody loved the episode. In fact, quick little announcement on this. Calvin was awesome on that. He was great. The number one most downloaded episode of The Creepoff we've ever done.

I believe it. Well, we had a celebrity on, finally. So that tells me that people really like that type of episode, and I'll keep him coming. Okay. So keep an eye out. I'm all wrestling talk from now on. Yeah. I mean, why not?

If it works, it works. All right. What was the final vote? The final vote. My creep is the big boss, man. You picked Hard Body Harrelson, and Colin Delaney picked Kaine. Yep. And Carl, with 48% of the vote.

I mean, I totally crushed you guys. I don't know how that happened. Which means I'm a 4-0. We've never had a contest. This lopsided on this show. I don't feel good about it. But today, I got to bring it. Now, we also have our new Patreon.

We have a little contest going. There is going to be a separate wheel of consequences just for Patreon bonus episodes. We have broken up our Patreon into two tiers for our basic here, which is Carl's Khazaroos and the Vietnam True Believers, you know, the good guys and the shitheads. Okay. And what's going to happen is the first person that have 50 people in their group wins. Right.

Are we getting close to that already, Vinnie? We just heard of it. I'm going to show you the score. We are so dangerously close. I honestly do not know. To having to spin the wheel that doesn't exist yet. Right. It's unbelievable.

I thought we'd have some time. Here it is. 43 to 41. have a slight advantage. Wow, this could happen this week. This could absolutely happen this week. Forty-three. I just need seven more votes, people. Five bucks a month get on their side of up. I need nine votes.

I need nine true believers to come to Cousin-Vin-Vin'n-Vin'n. Yeah. Is that your new thing now? I'm everybody's cousin Rennie. You're like a DJ now? A hack DJ. Hey, everybody, it's Cousin Vinny here. We're going to tell you, we're going to play a little bit of ABA. This is a bad move. You're my Waterloo.

This is a bad move. dead um yeah 43 to 41 all right great it is very tight it means that our fans you know they kind of like us just about equally maybe they like you a little bit more but i assume most people on the internet are dumb so that's cool well i'll say that's about four zero in our current contest and i'm leading on the patreon vote uh i don't know about this they like me a little bit more i think they like me a lot of it more because they're actually very smart people and make good decisions. Oh, no, no.

The true believers are geniuses. The creepomaniacs are geniuses. The Scumperate Mary Marching Society. Fucking Mensa. Not the Stuttering John Mensa either, the real one. Oh, right. Not the fake Metsa. That no one would possibly believe because you can't pronounce words correctly.

I actually wrote, if I ever did get to interview Stuttering John, what my first question would be. Did I tell you this? What it would be? My first question would be, John, could you please explain to me the steps into joining Mensa? Yeah. I'd love to hear and break that down. Just tell me how you join. Well, you take an EQ test

and then you forward that. My EQ was a little hot. It was a little hot. I'm a fucking idiot. So Carl, one other thing we have to talk about, the voting is out for next month's bonus episode for the

Hall of Fame. Oh, that's right. There's another thing going on. There is. That's happening right now, and I'm trying to get a jumpstart on it so that I could start doing all the research. So we're going to keep this open for like another week before we decide officially. But right now... Where do people vote for this? On Patreon.

Okay. Now, you don't have to be a member of the Patreon to vote. It's an open poll, but the poll is right on the Patreon page. Great. So, uh, submitted by Crunk Daddy 68 of the Merry Marching Society, Casey Anthony. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. That would be a fun one because then I could do my Anthony Coombe impression again to just

relive, uh, the glory days of Ophi and Anthony. Yeah, absolutely. That's Carl's favorite. Yep. Uh, Sydney Cook. Now, I don't know much about Sydney Cook, but he is a. real-life pedo lost in space type situation, which I'm really

anxious to explore. Okay. That was submitted by principled uncertainty, a member of the Viannon True Believers. Oh, really? Principal Assertity is a member of your fucking clan? Certainly is. Oh, I thought that guy was cool. Lenny Dykstra, an official tribute submitted by Jonathan Bunch. He's a member of Carl's Kuzeru.

Oh, beautiful. This one is running away with it currently. Jessica Yanov with special guest return of Kaya submitted by Jervis Tetch and he's a member of Carl's Kuzeru. All right, so when we, so this would be the first hell of favor that we've already covered on the show

if we were to do this. Well, technically, Lenny Dykstra we've chatted about. A bit, yeah. So apparently, Kai is willing to come back because he did a pretty good deep dive. Yeah, we asked him,

and there's plenty more, apparently, in the tank, to discuss with her. I'm excited about it. About her. Yeah. There was one last one submitted by me. I think we should do a Vince McMahon deep dive.

Yeah, would be fun too. That guy is a creep. Let's give it some space because we can't talk about wrestling every week. You're not the boss to me. It's whoever votes. So if you want to vote, go to the Patreon. Don't listen to Carl. If you want to hear the Vince McMahon episode, fucking vote for it. If you like Kaya, then vote for, what's that person's name? Yannis. Jessica Yanev. Yanev. Yep. Now Carl, let's talk about today's episode. Let's get to the fun. Let's do this. I got my back to the wall. And today, we decided we were going wild card, but we picked a decade. Yes. We're doing the 30. We're doing the 30.

The 1930s, man, doing the research on this era, you could just go and buy a machine gun. All you had to do was like Google Cuomo family members and you would have found your creep. There was so much crime going on during the great-depress. Andrew Cuomo's great-grandfather. I was tempted, believe me. All right. I was tempted. All right.

Will you ready to get this thing started then? Ring that bell. All right. So 1930s, who was the biggest creep in this era? I'm bringing someone you've never heard of a guy named Joseph Mangala. Now, this guy was not just kidding. Just kidding.

Where's my white flag? Hold on. I'm just kidding. I'm actually bringing a guy named Alfred Leonard Klein. Okay. Also known as the buttermilk blue beard. That doesn't sound like a good nickname to get naturally. I want to think Paul Drexler of the San Francisco Examiner for giving me a lot of the information.

You know, a lot of these true crime shows, they act like they're the, journalists and the reporters, and they're just reading someone else's work. And it's a problem. So I'm not going to be that way. Paul Drexler, thank you for this good deep dive into the sky, because there's not a lot of information about him. He was born in 1889 in the Bible Belt of Kansas. Klein married early, had two children, and gained a reputation as an upstanding farmer, Sunday school teacher, and choir member. In 1915, he moved his family to Fort Collins, Colorado, where he became a salesman and real estate operator. In 1929, Klein attempted to steal a rich widow's estate by forging her name on some legal documents.

He was convicted of grand theft and sent to the Colorado state penitentiary. Oh, so he had an insurance fraudster. Yeah, he likes to forge stuff. Okay. When he emerged in 1930, he had added a deadly twist to his forgery practice and began earning a lethal living. His new method went like this. One, find a rich old widow and marry her.

Two, take her to a hotel in another state. Three, serve her poisoned buttermilk. four, obtain the death certificate from the doctor that says heart failure was the reason. Five, ship the body to another state and have a cremated. Six, forged documents, collect assets, and begin it all again. Klein met and Charm, 75-year-old Laura Cummings in Los Angeles. They decided to take a trip up the Pacific coast. Somewhere along the way, Cummings changed her will, leaving her $60,000 estate to Klein.

She suddenly became ill in British Columbia and entered a hospital, where the doctors found she had been poisoned. By this time, Klein had decamped to Los Angeles. Her attorneys convinced a reluctant Cummings to destroy her new will, where she changed it going all to Klein. Right. She didn't even want to. She said, I'd hate to do this. He's such a sweet man.

So this guy's really a charmer. Even after he tries to murder people, they still want to give them money. Oh, by the way, in a little bit we're going to talk about a certain state. And I don't know if you have the drop on your board. I should have set this up ahead of time. Which one? Oregon! Oh, hold on a second.

All right. Just look for that while I continue here. You got some time. All right. All right. Klein's future traveling companions were not so fortunate. As a few months later, Klein married Carrie Porter, another wealthy widow. He proposed an auto trip, and they drove to Reno.

Three weeks later, she died, leaving him the sole heir of her $20,000 estate. Klein had her body shipped to Oakland and cremated. And it was not just women who received the buttermilk treatment. And in 1931, Reverend Ernest Jones, a retired minister, met Klein and joined him on a trip. Jones died of heart failure, leaving $11,000 for Klein. Jones's body was shipped to Glendale, California, where it was cremated. In 1932, Klein married Bessie Van Sickle, who was living with her brother-in-law, Lucas McCreary. Within a few months, they both expired, leaving Klein $21,200 in insurance and inheritance.

But in October of 1933, Klein miscalculated. Huh. his next victim what year is this 1933 okay his next victim boy those really are the roaring 30s for this guy I know he's not slowing down he's only one doing well at this time his next victim Martin frame survived

frame told police that Klein had given him a glass of buttermilk he also remembered signing some forms before he passed out police searched Klein's luxury luxurious home in Glendale and found Frames wallet vials of cyanide and will forms with frame signature when police found out about Klein's background they investigated him for murder,

but they couldn't find enough physical evidence to bring charges. Instead, Klein was convicted of drugging and robbing frame and sentenced to 15 years in Folsom State Prison. After 10 years, Klein was released from prison at the age of 60 and revived his business, this time getting the dosage correct. He had a lot of time to think about it. He did. He had a lot of time to figure it out.

So he proposed to an 85-year-old Edith Lewis in Oakland. They honeymooned in Florida Where Lewis died of heart failure Klein collected $15,000 in assets A month later in the Sunshine State He met Alice Carpenter They left for California in February But never made it back

Carpenter died in the Dallas Hotel Leaving Klein $15,000 richer Holy shit This guy's pretty prolific He really is, he marries them quick Yeah I guess these women are like I'm 80 years old

Like what are we doing? How long is this engagement going to last for? I mean here's the thing I don't understand though Yeah Like if you're 85 years old what's with this whole get married thing? Just fuck. I don't know about that.

I'm just saying you want, that's the only reason they want to do it. I don't think that's true. The only reason they want to get married is companionship and fuggy. I mean, just why create the paper trail? Who needs that shit? It just gives people a reason to kill you. It was a different time. When you're old and infirm, don't give people reason to kill you.

It was a different time. In May of 1945, Klein struck pay dirt in the person of Eva Krebs, a Chicago widow with a $250,000 estate. He married her. and said they would take a trip to Oregon. Oregon. Oregon. Oregon.

Oregon. Oregon. Okay. Klein wrote to Krutz family and said she wanted to write them herself when it injured her hand. So she was dictating the letter to him. Okay. Because it was coming over in his handwriting, right? Well.

That's a pretty good scam. Yep, yep. Since Krebs never wrote her family and always communicated by phone, Klein's letter made them very suspicious. Krebs' nephew hired a private detective who found the signatures on her annuity checks had been forged. In October, Klein gave Krebs a glass of buttermilk with predictable results, but he had her cremated under someone else's name so he could continue to cashing in her lucrative annuity checks. But with Krebs' relatives on his trail, Klein needed her to die officially so he could inherit the estate. He needed a body.

Yeah, so he didn't have a body. So this is starting to get a little dicey now. Now enter Isabella Van Netta, a poor 73-year-old widow. Klein offered Van Netta a place to live in a job managing one of his apartments in Southern California. He's like, you can have a job and live over there and stay there. Just stay away from me. He treats the poor ones a little differently than he treats the rich ones. You notice that?

Yeah, no honeymoon in Florida for her. Klein loaded her meager belongings into his trailer and they prepared to go to the south. But first, they made a brief stop in Portland. Klein killed Van Netta and sent a telegram to Krebs' nephew informing him that she had passed. Kreb's nephew called San Francisco police and told him he's suspicious. The police investigated, found the cemetery with the ashes, located Klein at the Mark Twain Hotel and arrested him for forgery. Klein hired one of the top criminal lawyers in the country.

Remember, he's got some bucks now. Yeah, he really is loaded. What does he have? Over $100,000 at least right now at this point? Yeah, he has over a quarter million dollars in his account. Wow. And that's in 1945. So that's like a multi-millioner.

Fucking George Eastman over there. He actually hired the attorney who the Perry Mason, character was based on, this guy had defended 56. Jerry Dason. This guy had been... Fun fact. How'd you know that? This guy had defended 56 people accused of murder and gotten

every single one of them off previously. No joke on that? Okay, fair enough. I was just kidding. Did you really want to go for the low-hanging fruit there? I thought you bite. Okay. All right. I wasn't going to bite. I wasn't going to bite. Police found notebooks with more than 100 names of past and future victims.

Also, they were able to prove the ashes in Portland were Van Netta and not Krebs. So Klein is now in court. I don't know. I was reading through that part of it. In the 40s, it's fucking cremated ashes. You can't tell shit. I was surprised

that they were able to prove that, but apparently... Would the guy taste it? Yeah, that's Van Netta, all right. That's poor ashes right there. There's cigarette butts in this one. So Klein pulled the judge aside and had a private conversation. during the trial, an unprecedented move. He tried to plead his case that he was never cruel to the women and always acted kindly.

Yeah, he brought them buttermilk. Yeah, he was really nice. He was a sweetheart to all of them. He wanted a wider concurrent sentence, but the judge was not having it. The jury found him guilty on nine counts of forgery, and the judge ruled the sentences should be consecutive, so he had to serve 126 years for forgery. He was never convicted of a single murder his entire life. They dropped the charges because they couldn't prove it.

So here's my question here. Yes. At what point for this guy was enough? How much money did he need in the 40s? He could have just stopped. Yeah, but the reason why was because he landed that $250,000 mark. Yeah. And then fucked up because then he had to get a body.

And then it got a little bit complicated and didn't work out for him. He died a couple of years later while in prison of a heart attack. Apparently he's drinking too much buttermilk. Oh, what? What's your excuse? What's my excuse? Yeah. For what?

A heart attack? All right, Vinny. What do you even say? That is my, that is my creep this week, the buttermilk blue beard, bringing some new creeps to the show. All right. Well, ladies and gentlemen, my creep, this is a fun story. His name was Major Raymond Liz Ba.

He was born in Hale County, Alabama. Liz and Baas first worked in the cotton fields and was sent to barbers. school by his sister's husband in 1921. He married a woman named Maude Duncan, but she soon filed for divorce, accusing him of kinky and sadistic sex in 1921. What was kinky back then?

Anil? Anything. Anything that's not missionary. Yeah, anything that isn't like praying while you're fucking is considered kinky. But like, notice the term sadistic was in there. So just point that out. That's why I said, I know. Before it is all said and done, this guy gets married four times, Carl. So I'm just going to fast forward because yours

was really long and boring today, all about a guy who was just poisoning people. He was just doing that old scam, the old poison the widow scam. My guy is also a wife murderer, but my guy has style, and my guy is a much bigger creep, and I'm about to prove it to you. Well, you can't say my guy didn't have style, but God. No, no, he had a MO. He had a mode of operations. He gave them buttermilk, and he killed them.

In 1935, he's working in La Canada, California. Robert, as he went by, owns this barbershop, and he marries a woman who works in the shop as a manicurist named a Mary Bosch. This is his fifth wife, okay? Okay. His new wife, she's pregnant. People got married a lot back in those days, right? That was pretty common to have five different wives? No, no, not at all.

It was just the opposite. Not at all. Okay. She was pregnant. They were married for three months. She was already pregnant. And we're going to talk about one night in particular. That night was August 5th, 1935.

August 5th. 1935, La Cognada, California. Viola and James Pemberton are enjoying a fun-filled evening with their close friend, Robert James. That night, James invites his friends home to meet his new bride. Now, nothing wrong there. He's going by the name Robert James, takes his friends over to meet his new bride, but when they get to the house... Robert has been bragging about his wife's cooking ability, and they're very excited to taste some of the things that she has made for them. But when they enter the house, Mary is nowhere to be found.

The trio scours the property. Now, the only people who live in the house at this point are Robert, Mary, his wife, and his niece, Lois Wright, who's also a man who works at the shop with him. James and the Pembertons are out with their flashlights, scanning over the lawn. And at some point, they see that Mary is in the yard, face down. with her face in a fish pond.

Robert is hysterical, weeping. He's holding on to her. And they're trying desperately to get him away from the body so they can let the police come in and do their work. Now, Carl, this man just shows up with his friends and finds his wife dead face down in the backyard. That's a problem. Let's find out what the L.A. coroner said in 1935.

When the authorities arrive, Mary's body is sent. to the medical examiner. Her death is declared a case of accidental drowning. Yeah, that's it. They're like, oh, they found a face down in a pond, drowning. And the guy just like ashes this cigar into the mouth of a cadaver. You're right. These fucking old chain-smoking assholes of the morgue back of the day.

Yeah. So. But why would you suspect anything else anyway, though? Right, right. People pass out into ponds all the time. Yeah, people just passed out face first in their backyards all the time. That actually happened at a Buffalo Bills game not too long ago. Yeah, to a Dolphins fan.

fuck whoever murdered that guy. For his part, Robert quickly dispensed with any semblance of grieving. He confidently tried to redeem an insurance policy, Mary Bush had signed, not too long after this happened. But when an insurance investigator stumbled upon the fact that the barber had been married five times, and that coincidentally, James' third wife had also died by drowning, he tipped off the police. Now, unbeknownst to Robert, the police had be quietly begun to investigate. a guy named Charles Hope got drunk in a bar

and told a very different story about what happened to marry, okay? So the bartender hears this story, comes forward, tells the cops the cops pick up this guy, Charles Hope. Hold on a second. Hold on. All right, go ahead. I'm just trying to paint a picture. This guy, Charles Hope, is just someone who lives in the town. They don't know

what the connection is. He's just running his mouth about it. He tells the cops that this whole thing was Robert James's fault and police bugged Robert's house and did indeed uncover a crime immediately, Carl. Wait, how could they bug his house? Don't you need a warrant to do something like that? It was 1935. It was easy to do that. Are you sure?

They had a guy who said that this man killed his wife for insurance money and they wanted to find out what was going on so they were trying to investigate this guy. And they found the crime. Would you like to know what the crime was? Murder? It wasn't murder. I mean, the crime that they uncovered was that Robert

and his significant. 16-year-old niece were fucking. Oh, okay. His 16-year-old full-blooded niece and he were having sex. His sister's daughter, the police had it on tape. He was arrested for incest, taken to his safe house to be interrogated, and he cracked and confessed and told what really happened. Here is what really happened that night.

That was the setup, Carl. I'm just giving you the setup. Yep. Mary had no idea who Robert was when she married him. It was one of those fast situations like we were just talking about. Yeah. This dude was a straight-up con man. he was suspected of murder and he loved insurance scams his mom died left him a small policy he made a bunch of money he was like this is genius so he convinced his new wife mary to take out a five thousand dollar life insurance policy on herself he then enlisted the help of one of his customers at the barbershop an ex sailor and fry cook the drunk charlie hope the guy who was running his mouth at the bar okay okay this is what he told the cops this is what charles hope said james came to me early in june last year and said he had

had a friend who wanted to kill his wife, and it would be worth $100 to me to get a couple of rattlesnakes. Okay. Underbock, sure. Find some rattlesnakes for you. Hope. Why tell him the crime, though? Why not just make something up?

If you just want rattles, all right? All right, keep going. So this guy, Hope, testifies later. I said, sure, it was none of my business what he wanted the snakes for, even though he knew it was fucking murder. Right. He then went to visit this guy named Joseph Houtenbrink, known as Snake Joe. he has like a giant snake farm in

Pasadenae. I googled it. Not a clever nickname. No, that Snake Joe was a legit deal back of the day. And he goes down there and he says to Snake Joe, he goes, so listen, I got a bet that a rattlesnake can eat a whole rabbit. And my buddy and I, we made this bet, and I need the meanest rattlesnakes you have here so I could prove this bet and win it. So Snake Joe was like, all right.

And he sold him two six-year-old desert diamond-back rattlesnakes named lethal and lightning. snake joe named his snakes apparently okay so on august fourth the night before the body is discovered hope and robert set a very bizarre plan into motion carl all right this isn't just giving somebody some poison buttermilk robert convinced mary to have a abortion which is totally illegal at the time she was and he's like we don't need a kid we don't need a kid so he says you're going to get an abortion I found a doctor who will perform the operation in our kitchen, honey. Oh, perfect. Right.

He'll come to the house. Yep. So what he does is he gives her a bunch of whiskey and basically quailudes, gets this woman all knocked out, ties her down to the kitchen table. Shubs the snake right up there. Go get it. So Charles Hope tells the story that he walks in and realizes what's going down because he claims, he thought he was getting the snakes for the guy's friend. He walks in to see the wife tied down to the table, and he says, Mrs. James was tied down

to the table. Her mouth and eyes were covered with adhesive tape. The woman gave a little groan, and Robert took her left leg and put it into the box with the rattlesnakes. Oh, Jesus. And the snake started biting this woman's fucking legs. Yeah. Right?

Delicious. Right? The snake's bit her three times. She writhered around in agony. but what a weird way to kill somebody that's what i'm saying this guy is such a fucking it's the same is poisoning it really is it's just like let the person drink the poison carl rather they go through all of this carl you're that you don't even know all right keep the snakes didn't kill her right this fucking woman this trooper this poor lady survived the snake

stuff so these snakes were not all that was uh advertised yeah lethal enlightening you know get your money back right So Hope sat in the garage, well, Robert frequently came out to supply updates and give the guy a shot of whiskey. So Robert's just drinking, watching his wife die. And this guy's sitting in the garage, like, what the fuck is, what am I going to do? And he's coming down like, hey, have another shot. She ain't dead yet, but I'll keep you posted. And he's running back in it out.

The next update he gets is Robert walks out and sat next to Hope in his car and said, well, that's it. He said, I was tired of waiting for her to die. so I just decided to drown her in the bathtub instead. Okay. After procuring rattlesnakes. Yeah. Giving her the whole abortion story, drugging her up,

knocking her out, sticking her leg into the box with rattlesnakes. He should be better at this by now, don't you think? You would think this is the fifth wife. Yeah. This is not a smart plan. And he said, you know what?

Fuck it. I just took her to the bathroom, and drowned her to the tub. Yeah. So could you help me move the body to the backyard? And Charles Hope helped him go. out there place her body in the backyard setting up the scene for the very next night for him and his friends to come and discover the body and his Oscar nominated performance correct so after

investigating this guy they discovered three situations where people close to robert died the second wife died in a mysterious car accident where they said there was something wrong with the steering wheel back then there was something wrong with your car at all times probably so his nephew Lois, the niece that he was fucking, her brother, he put an insurance policy out on his nephew and then his nephew came to visit him and then mysteriously died in a car accident that same weekend. And for some reason, he had insurance out on his nephew. Figure that one out. And then he had another wife who died in a bathtub after a car accident that she didn't die yet. That's awesome. She didn't die in the car accident. She has this car accident and she gets to the

tub and apparently came in and just held her head underwater and he claimed that she was still woozy and stuff and she passed the fuck out and drowned just start with that this whole thing we got to have right there car accident and rattlesnakes and all these other things like just start with the drowning they'll die that way see this is why my guy is way creepier than your guy your guy is just like I know what to do I got a system my system works he did it a lot he did it a lot and I would say successfully my guy was a fucking idiot he's getting 3,000 4,000 a body your guy's getting 15,000 20,000 a body and my dude's fucking like here's what we do we'll get rattlesnake He died.

The Butterbilt Bluebeard, by the way, up to 11 murders never convicted of a single one. How many serial killers do you know who are never convicted? That is true. I said your guy is impressive. On May 1st, 1942, he received his nickname. And by the way, the trial for this was amazing. They brought the rattlesnakes into the court, and one of them got out. That's so stupid.

Yeah, they're the dumbest. What are they going to go on the stand? We can picture what rattlesnakes look. They don't have to bring that in. Do you recognize the man who purchased you from Snake Joe? So my guy, he got the nickname. He has a way cooler nickname than your guys. His name was Rattlesnake James.

That's what they ended up calling him. He was executed by hanging. Rattlesnake James? Hell yeah. Failed Rattlesnake Killer James. What a shit big. Yeah, people didn't even realize that he failed at it. It was just how he murdered his wife with Rattlesnakes.

Okay. So he was executed by hanging in San Quentin prison. The rope was the wrong length and it took over 10 minutes for him to die. That's hilarious. Making him the last man to be hanged by the California penal system. That is my creep. Robert Rattlesnake James. Thank you.

Very good presentation, Vinny. Please don't make me spin next week. All right. I think I, his guy, come on, Carl's guy's not creepy. Here we go. He's piece of shit. Here we go. He was a charmer.

He charmed to 85-year-old women and then murdered them. My guy got five of them, and he got, he was charming enough to get Charlie Hope to go buy a couple fucking rattlesnakes to keep him in his house for a while. Go to the creepoff.com to vote for who you think brought the creepiest creep this week. Vote for Biddy! Thanks, Carl. All right. Okay, so ladies and gentlemen, are you ready for some voicemails? Yeah, do we have a sponsor for the segment?

We certainly do. All right. The creepoff voicemail segment is brought to you by the city of Syracuse. Syracuse, all the ambiance of Compton with none of the street crowd. See you in Syracuse. Nice. Oh, that might be my favorite one. So, uh, this one was emailed to me by, uh, someone you know quite well, Carl.

Listen here, Vinay Paulina, this bang practice guy, and I'm calling someone in, someone we ain't heard from in a long time, someone who used to be the best. But now he like all the rest. I'm looking at you, imbeciled will help. You used to bring the walka walker, but you ain't been around. So if you, Invis. style will him want to battle me a beam practice guy

for creep off voicemail supremacy you're going to need to call again call again call again I agree call again but I'm just going to go ahead and say it right now if there's anyone who has the creep off voicemail supremacy it's fucking me I can just decide to not play your shit

well listen this is what I like about this and this is what you should like about this too oh I love it I'm all in yes is it's enough it's not enough that we We have 17 different competitions going on at any given time. We need the voicemailer that's going to get to do it too. And we should have another voting system set up on our Patreon where you can vote for the best voicemailer. And I agree with badbrids guy.

I will gladly do a voicemail contest. We should definitely do that. Hell yeah. We got to figure out what the consequences would be. Yeah. But yeah, Imbez-O-Willem. It's funny that we played him today because I've been thinking about him. Where did he go?

Oregon. He went to Oregon. Apparently. So I love it. band practice guy let's let's make this a reality i i love it too so uh let's hear some more voicemails shall we some people uh had some thoughts on last week's episode i like wrestling and i thought that episode was terrible why don't you guys do something interesting like most creepy surf rock band member i'm with you i thought colin did a great job last week i did too i love colin in presenting

his creep i loved his style and presenting uh cane and then it was all for not because minnie trying to do the same thing and failed miserably. Well, I will say this. I will say this. He and I did collaborate that week. We were like, let's totally both just go cave and we were laughing about like who would be the creepiest if you just went with their character. And I was like, big boss man. He was like, no, it's cane. And I said, all right, you do that. We'll see who wins. And apparently nobody wanted to go with the joke. The big boss man, when he was tying up the deceased father of what's his nuts.

Big nut, big show. Big nut. And he was driving away. Big show was jumping. on the casket and falling. That was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. It's still real to be, damn it. I wish wrestling was still like that. It's funny. Carl, once again. I digress. No, you're cool, man. I always love it when you call it to leave voice spells during the week. It's always great.

It's Carl. Your creep stories are so long to maybe want to fall asleep. Luckily, I save 20% at presshousecopy.com slash WATP. Get the biggest beans, the finest roast. Go on there now. Vote on chicken a cow. Who's got the nicest

It's Casey or Vic. All right. That's all. Vinnie Winnie. I think we should do something fun on the wheel. We should put on the wheel. Loser has to join the barnyard fun. I have to take pictures in their costume.

Oh, God. That's a terrible idea. You could be Piggy Vinny and Carl could be, I don't know, what animal would be a donkey. Carl would probably be a donkey or something weird. Makes sense. all I want is Vinny and wrestlers talking about wrestlers in K-Fabe, how creepy they are, more of this, please, Vinny Winnie, People's Champ, fuck Carl. I like that guy.

You can do your own offshoot show about wrestling. I don't want to do my own offshoot show about wrestling. Then let's not do it on here. I don't want to do any offshoot shows. After Creeps and Roses, I'm fucking done. Yeah, that was a lot of work. I commend you on that. This one came in just a little while ago, and I don't know what it is, so we'll find out.

So I just listen to the wrestling episode Vinny, what the fuck was that? Watching two men blow each other would have been less gay. And if I could not play my last message where I fucked up like a retard, I really appreciate it. Oh, he did leave two messages. Let's hear the first one. Let's listen to the first one where he fucked up like a retard.

Yeah. So I just listened to the rep, uh... Yeah! Yeah! I mean, please tell me you're keeping that on your board. Of course. Of course Gold doesn't stand on the board. Hey, you know what's one?

I still have my board that I never use. Come on, pig. That's still all my favorite. Beautiful. All right. Let's see. We got one more here. When I was a little kid, grown up,

Cainian was my favorite wrestler ever. and after hearing that recap and remembering all those stupid details, I literally want to go travel back in time and just beat up my 12-year-old self for how lame that shit sounds nowadays. Yep. Thanks for making me remember that shit. Just like everybody else beat up your 12-year-old self.

You go right ahead. Seriously, who's favorite wrestler was Kane? I had a buddy whose favorite wrestler was Kane, and I was like, get out of here. Oh, yeah, you had a friend? It wasn't me, but a friend of mine was really into it. My friend Eric liked Kane. I can't stand you You ready for a skump parade

Yeah, let's go into the skum parade Watch out for the skum parade Oh no, it's the scum parade For the scum parade Making Phenny's day It's day Ladies and gentlemen This week's scum parade

starts in Singapore. Ableton-U-Hung, 28 took upskirt videos of 10 women, 10 women from July 24th to September 10th in 2019 at various locations. The product development engineer was jailed for 11 weeks on Friday, April 16th. He pled guilty to three counts of insulting the modesty of a woman and another seven counts of charges taken into consideration during sentencing. Now, here's the story. he got caught taking pictures of women going up escalators at the mall videos yeah videos and he was just sitting under the under the escalator like with this camera trying to get these upskirt pictures now his lawyer has the greatest pervert defense i've ever heard carl yeah that's great because this guy is like a weird autistic type programmer very into the numbers like kind of socially weird they said his lawyer said

the reason he did this was to satisfy his curiosity as to why there was such a variance in the quality of the videos of upskirt videos on the internet he said that he watched videos on the internet and he was like i don't know if i could do better than this or not but i'm going to try i have a similar experiment going on with snuff films right now yeah because you never know how grainy it's going to be it's like why is it so dark dude you can get better way you know the problem is sometimes you want to make sure that where the blood splatter hits like you want to be able to see like the the you know the massiveness of it so like the thing is camera angles are important and you only get one shot at it played along with that way too easily just now played along with what so his intention was quote to merely experiment to find out if his cell phone camera could take high quality videos like he saw on the internet so my question is how good was the quality of the videos that he took we'll put a link in the show notes everybody if you want to go check that out Yeah, 11 weeks in Singapore jails worth. That's how good they were.

And funny story, he's also in a relationship with a long-term girlfriend from junior college who was, quote, disappointed but is forgiven him, and she continues to stand by him, and their plans to get married have not changed. It's a man's world. It's a man's world. That's right. Tans out on bail $5,000. It is expected to surrender himself on April 26.

And he could be jailed for 11 weeks per woman, apparently. I didn't realize that. And he could be in jail for up to a year. Okay. So what a fun excuse. Upskered videos, not a good idea, people. There's plenty of footage on the internet already. We don't need more.

Yes, that is correct. Now, let's go to San Antonio, Texas, shall we? All right. A man has been arrested after San Antonio police say he sexually assaulted two horses on separate occasions. Okay. This guy has a lady named Gene Marie Bugamo. 24 years old was charged with two counts of bestiality, a state felony.

According to records with the Bexar County Jail and arrest warrant affidavit states that on February 14th, Valentine's Day, San Antonio Police and the owner of the horse stables caught Bugama at the location. He fit the description of a man seen on surveillance footage walking around naked through the horse stables. In that incident, the owner noticed items out of place, a horse was out of its stall, and two horses had sustained injuries. A veterinary was called and determined that the horses were sexually and physically assaulted. Not only did he fuck the horses, like he punched him in. shit too or something. Well, I just want to say, finally a horse fucker who's a top.

Every story we do, they're always getting penetrated by these horses. You know, my stance on this is very simple. Save a horse. Just ride a cowboy. Oh, Jesus. Okay. All right. A similar incident occurred on January 7th

when multiple horses were found, quote, hobbled, meaning their legs were tied together. And the suspect again committed bestiality. So this time he was in the fucking horse bondage. Yeah. So this guy's been a problem for a while.

A search warrant was obtained for his DNA resulted in a match from the initial incident. According to the police, the affidavit adds that the horses could have also been possibly assaulted with an unknown objects. He was busted on DNA evidence, but yeah, which is why I always say wear a condom. Well, just wear a condom people. You know, everybody, you don't have to. Science is a liar sometimes.

That's all. Who's that, Tucker Carlson? Your hero. Yeah, he's on, his bond was set at $105,000. All right. Now, Carl, I don't know if you're like me, but have you ever gotten really mad at a drive-thru? Oh, God. I get very impatient when it's moving slowly.

What's the worst thing like you've ever done? Been a little snarky with the teller. Oh, yeah. Or sometimes I'll give them exact change, but it'll be missing a few cents, then I'll just drive away really fast. Ha-ha, ha! You'll have to pay for that out of your own pocket. Do you really?

No. yeah i didn't think so such a liar so we're gonna go to memphis tennessee a woman is accused of shooting into a memphis burger king drive-thru window oh that's a problem yeah she's now facing charges for attempted murder police say 32-year-old kiona jackson was upset about the wait at the restaurant drive-thru and argued with several employees before grabbing a gun leaning into the window and opening fire the employees weren't injured but police uh recovered several spent shell cases at a bullet lodged in the wall inside the store So if she thinks her weight was long, how about the person behind her?

That's a fucking long wait. Yeah, man. I mean, what happened? Did she find, like, onion rings in her bag? Like, she just went fucking crazy. I really wish that I was an employee at this place. Because I just would have sat there and said, Keona, who hurt you? This isn't about Burger King food, is it?

There's something else going on here. Do you want to talk about it? I think that's very smart. You know, I've heard the wisdom from people that say, you know, the only way to stop a bad guy at Burger King with a gun is to have, you know, a good Burger King employee with a gun. I've heard that. But I like your way of the kindness.

Of the kindness. I like that. I just, I don't think it was the fast food. Appeal to the softer side. I don't think it was the fast food that really was the underlying problem here. Carl, you might have set her off. Carl, you're so sweet. People don't realize that about you. Jackson is out charged of two counts of attempted first-degree murder and using a firearm

during the commission of a dangerous felony. So that was fun. uh car never got her food by the way this is a really stupid strategy if you want to eat a whopper i mean if you didn't fire the gun you could have had all the food honey he could have just done it right yes put that in the bag put the next person's food in the bag put that all right and you know what make it a large you know that's all he got to do that's what biddy says when he has someone at gunpoint make it a large we're going to brazil carl yeah according to frank sinatra they have a awful a lot of coffee there. A dad is on the run after he allegedly sifted his schoolteacher wife

to death in front of their 10-year-old son. The alleged killer identified his 51-year-old Hadir Sousa de Silva fled the family home in his car during the early hours on April 10th in the rural area of Brazil. Police have been called to the scene, found reports of a heated argument by the neighbors. When they arrived to investigate, they discovered the lifeless body of the 44-year-old school teacher, Telma Ribeiro, who had been murdered in front of her 10-year-old son. When the police asked the 10-year-old son what happened, he said, where, where my daddy, my daddy, where? But, you know, in Portuguese.

Yes, in Portuguese. That's my second favorite. That's my second favorite. Where, where? My daddy, my daddy, where? Thank you, Colin. The young boy has now been placing the care of his relatives is reportedly undergoing counseling to deal with the shock of what he witnessed.

I had to look up, what's the difference between a Sith and a Sickle? Yeah, okay. A scythe and a sife and a sickle. The difference is a sickle is something you can hold in one hand, and a sithe is like what the Grim Reaper has. Right, okay. So this dude, like, had the long handle fucking thing. It just took this lady's head, fucking clean off in front of their kid in the living room of the fucking house.

Can I read to you my favorite sentence from this article? I would love it. That you sent me? Please do. An autopsy is currently being carried out by the authorities with early indications that the victim was decapitated by the scy. I was going to try to make a joke about that, but that's the funniest sentence ever written. I decided I couldn't beat it. Early indications of this autopsy, she died of decapitation.

it's the same it's the same quarter they had now like he's just smoking a cigarette's like the cavitation all right cavitation by the sorry thancy every fucking person who works in a morgue chain smokes i guarantee it carl i i agree with you there because seriously who's going to get uh secondhand issues from that exactly right there she was apparently looking to leave him he had been kind of aggressive for some time she had apparently told him she was going to leave and she did leave this earth well her head did leave her shoulder She had been putting off the divorce because she was worried about what his reaction would be. Rightfully so.

Yes, this woman has a good intuition. She really had good instincts. Yeah. Next time, do it at a Starbucks. They're still looking for this guy, too. Yeah, he's on the run, everybody. So if you're in Brazil, look out for a guy with a big sife. That's an incredible story.

Dude, poor kid. Just watch his mom be decapitated by his dad. Hey, Carl, before we go, I got to remind everybody that, uh, Today, we have reviews with Dorkels coming up. Yes. I haven't listened to this yet. I'm excited about it. Oh, yeah, it's pretty good.

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43 to 41. Go to Patreon. Yeah. You'll get bonus episodes. there's already a couple bonus episodes up there we got more in the works now i will announce this there will be the very first bonus scum stream it's going to be a live streaming show beautiful it's going to be an hour of scum parade creeps that we have not done on the show carl said he will join me for the first one we're going to set a date and we're going to try to do it in the next week or so

so for those of you patrons keep an eye out for that why do you say carl said he'll join me for the first one i'm the co-host of the show buddy what do you mean well am i not invited to all of these uh episodes nah you're going to try to get a ringer in here or something? You know, I like having somebody different to talk to it sometimes. Fair enough. No. Of course you're welcome, Carl. Even Carl might show up. Yeah, we might even let Carl

on the creep off. Uh, buddy. I'll see you in court. No. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. That's the creep off this week, ladies and general. Please check out the Patreon. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm actually going after this, many, to record some more Suttering John Deepfake videos. Are you really? Yeah,

if anyone has any ideas, shoot me a note. Yeah, please do. I think there's, I think I have a lot to work with this week, but I'm always open to suggestions. And it's nice to be important. But it's more important to be nice. Gagia! Hey, kids, and your old pal dorkles again. I'm coming at you this week with another creep-off review section.

We got a whole bunch of reviews this week and even some international ones, if you can believe it. Hey, has anybody gotten the vaccine yet? You know that's just a saline, right? They're putting in your arms. It isn't real. This whole thing has been. a big ass sham. Whatever, whatever, sheeple, whatever you want to continue doing to your body and the name

of what the government tells you. Whatever. All right, assholes. Here we go. The first review is, uh, it says, what a debacle. Best show on television. I love Carl. Just kidding.

He sucks. Uncle Vinny Winnie, People's Champ. Kidding. He sucks. So, worst show on television. Kevin was the best. Whatever happened to that guy? Why are you punishing me with this bachelor spit off?

Why is there blooded by stool? Five stars. Best show on television. And that was left by Uncle Romulus from Canada. Our neighbors to the north. That we've been protected for years. They're not part of them. the trilateral. Let me tell you, they don't go to the Bilderberg group.

Anybody from Canada. Anyway, what really did happen to that Kevin's guy? He seems like a real fucking stand-up guy. But anyway, let's move on to the next one here. This one here's from Great Britain. Yeah, we beat their asses a long time of go rubber light. Red coats. It says, more retardant.

noises. More retard noises. That's the title, okay? Mouth-breathing pepperoni muncher, Vinny-Winny, and any chinny hot cuckacarrel, read stuff off of Wikipedia. Don't listen or do, and no, at least, you're not watching the fat retard spit pepperoni particles at the little neck-shaven retard. Lovely stuff. I mean, I couldn't have said it better, honestly. This is stupid. It's It was left by a username Grave Error from Graibretton. Anyway, that was pretty good with a spitting paparote particles. I like that one. All right.

Here we go. Another one here. And this one here is from the good old U.S.A. It says, although I have no salivary glands, that's the title. All right. And my boyfriend killed my mother. because of my dry chafing BJs, I love this show.

Want to co-host when I get out of my current sentence, Love Jiffsy. And oddly enough, it was left by, I love Nancy and Lee. Well, that's all one word. Not gyps. I don't know what the hell's going on this goddamn one. Although I have no salivary clads

and my boyfriend killed my mother because of my dry chafing BJs. Oh, my God. People are sure crazy here in the US of A. Anyway, we got one more here, a review. And this one here's coming from all the way across the pile, as they say. Great Britain. And it says, hive of scum and villainy.

From Carl's constant smile talking, as he explains how the kids were killed, to Vinny's chuckling over some eating. equally revolting facts. This show truly is about creeps, by creeps, and four creeps. Sign me up. That was looked by Gaving, Gaving, Gaving, 7095, Gaving. I don't know, it's some crazy Great Britain thing. Anyway, those were some really good reviews.

We got in a lot of them, though. You know, of course, it probably, you know, doesn't. and help that Dorkles here takes off a few weeks at a time here and then comes back. You know, he lets them queue up. Otherwise, what the hell Dork was going to talk about with you guys? Do you really want to know about the Illuminati and UFOs and the conspiracy to bring down America? Because if you do, then you should probably subscribe to my newsletter.

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They're just trying to get at you. Anyway, I got to go, people. smell you later at 99 keep your butt hole tight tight