The Daily Stoic - Daily Stoic Sundays: The Daily Stoic, August 16 - How to Turn Your Trials Into Triumphs

Episode Date: August 16, 2020

On today's podcast, Ryan discusses today's reading from The Daily Stoic, about how to overcome your challenges through the Stoic mindset. We also present a discussion from Ryan abou...t how to turn tragedy into triumph.Get your copy of the leather-bound, limited edition of The Daily Stoic: https://dailystoic.com/leather***If you enjoyed this week’s podcast, we’d love for you to leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It helps with our visibility, and the more people listen to the podcast, the more we can invest into it and make it even better.Sign up for the Daily Stoic email: http://DailyStoic.com/signupFollow @DailyStoic:Twitter: https://twitter.com/dailystoicInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/dailystoic/Facebook: http://facebook.com/dailystoicYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/dailystoicSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, prime members, you can listen to the Daily Stoic podcast early and add free on Amazon music. Download the app today. Welcome to the weekend edition of the Daily Stoic. Each weekday we bring you a meditation inspired by the ancient Stoic, something that can help you live up to those four that can help you live up to those four stoic virtues of courage, justice, wisdom, and temperance. And here, on the weekend, we take a deeper dive into those same topics. We interview stoic philosophers. We reflect. We prepare. We think deeply about the challenging issues of our time.
Starting point is 00:00:41 And we work through this philosophy in a way that's more possible here when we're not rushing to work or to get the kids to school. When we have the time to think to go for a walk to sit with our journals and to prepare for what the future will bring. Hey there listeners, while we take a little break here, I want to tell you about another podcast that I think you'll like. It's called How I Built This, where host Guy Razz talks to founders behind some of the
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Starting point is 00:03:23 This is the entry from August 16th from the Daily Stoke. Anything can be in advantage. Just as the nature of rational things has given to each person their rational powers, so it also gives to us this power. Just as nature turns to its own purpose, any obstacle or any opposition, sets its place in the destined order and co-ops it so every rational person can convert any obstacle into raw material for their own purpose. Marcus Arelius, Meditations, book 835. At five feet, three inches tall, Mugsy Boogs was the shortest player ever to play professional basketball. Throughout his career, he was snickered at, underestimated
Starting point is 00:04:05 and counted out. But Bugs succeeded by turning his height into the very thing that made him nationally known. Some people looked at his size as a curse, but he saw it as a blessing. He found the advantages contained within it. In fact, on the court, small size has many advantages, speed and quickness. The ability to steal the ball from unsuspecting and significantly taller players to say nothing of the fact that players just plain underestimated him. Could this approach not be useful in your life? What things do you think have been holding you back? That in fact could be a hidden source of strength. I just love this entry. To me, it's the encapsulation of the idea of the obstacle is the way
Starting point is 00:04:46 it's the encapsulation of a Morphati. What Marcus is saying is that the stoic manages to turn everything into raw material That was actually something Robert Green told me early on in my career He said, you know everything is material and artists can use everything as material. And, you know, Marcus's metaphor himself is like that fire consumes everything in sefuel. That's what we want to do. That's the stoic way. Look at where we are as a society. As a planet right now, we're being ravaged by a pandemic, by political polarization, by populism, by distrust and institutions, by technological disruptions, by economic turmoil. If we can't figure out a way to use this, if we can't figure out a way to get better for it,
Starting point is 00:05:32 I mean, God help us, right? Cause it doesn't feel like it could get worse, but it could. And that's what the Stoics are saying. We don't control what happens, we control how we respond. We don't control what life throws at us, but we control what we make of it. That's what we want to do. That's what stoicism is about.
Starting point is 00:05:52 We'll go into the video here in a second, obviously the audio of the video. It's me riffing on how we turn trials into triumph, how the obstacle is the way. Obviously, if you like this entry from the Daily Stoic and you're interested in checking out the book, or you have the book and you beat it to hell like a lot of people you filled up with notes and you want a new edition. We did just launch the Daily Stoic Premium leather edition. It's the same book you know and love. Leatherbound cover, inset, for Virtues logo. It's got some new illustrations, got a ribbon as a bookmark like the others, kilt edges on the pages.
Starting point is 00:06:25 We use this awesome high quality Bible manufacturer to make it. It's just a limited run. I'm not sure how many copies we're going to do. So if you want to check it out, do that at dailystoke.com slash leather. But I mean, look to me, books are designed to be read and re-read and beat up. And when I see a person's copy of the daily stoke,
Starting point is 00:06:43 and I can tell they've read it over the last four years, I mean, I just, I love that. When somebody shows it to me, they say, oh, I love your book, and it's pristine. I have my suspicions, because I know what my books look like that have mattered to me. They look like I hate them, but in fact, this abuse is actually a sign of love.
Starting point is 00:07:02 So, you know, Sennaka talks about the importance of reading and rereading, and having a sign of love. So, you know, Senna could talk about the importance of reading and rereading and having a lingering over the master thinkers and having a dialogue and a discussion. That's what Marcus did with the copy of a pictetus that he got from Junius. So we hope you do with any of the books that we recommend here, including our own. If you want to check out the leatherbound edition, you do that at dailystoke.com. Slash leather.
Starting point is 00:07:23 And then we'll get into this idea of right now of how we turn trials into triumph. So if we take it for granted that life is gonna knock us on our ass sometimes, that we're gonna do everything right and everything that possibly go wrong, does go wrong. We're gonna face disaster than the question is, how do we respond to disaster?
Starting point is 00:07:45 We've talked about how the Stokes are respond to bad news, but just managing the response to me is only part of it, and the least interesting part. I think the powerful thing is, how do we take these disasters and turn them as the Stokes famously did into opportunities as almost fuel for greatness?
Starting point is 00:08:03 So what's interesting is it's almost like, of course, that stoicism would be founded around that exact series of events. So Xeno is a very successful divergent. His family has been traders of what's called Tyrion Purple die for generations. And he's leading one of these convoys of ships to Athens to sell this die and all we know is that he suffers a terrible shipwreck and loses loses everything he washes up on shore dead broke This could have been the worst thing that ever happened to him
Starting point is 00:08:35 He very easily could have lost his life So it probably was the worst thing that happened to him all the money all the success generations of work evaporated like that and all the success, generations of work evaporated like that. And famously though, this is what drives Zeno to philosophy. He ends up at a bookstore. There's a reading. He hears the teacher talking about Socrates. He goes, hey, how can I learn more about this? Just then, a philosopher named Cratees is walking by.
Starting point is 00:09:01 And Zeno is basically handed off to the mentor who puts him on the path to create stoicism. So obviously none of this would have happened had the convoy of ships gone swimmingly, so the disaster is what puts him in a place to have this experience. But he famously says later, he goes, thus fortune did drive me to philosophy, or he says, I won a great fortune by losing my fortune. In the shipwreck, in losing everything, he discovered the thing that not only made his
Starting point is 00:09:28 life better, but made the life of millions of people better, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now how he'd done that. So that's how Aestok tries to see the good at everything, but Aestok also realizes that sometimes losing everything is a great freedom, and it can put us on a path to discovering what we were actually put on this planet to do. The world easily found another Tyrion die merchant. It did not and has never seen another Xeno. I tell the story in the obstacles way.
Starting point is 00:09:55 It's sort of the conclusion I talk about how, you know, the framework for overcoming obstacles is this, but then we have to apply it in real life. So at the end of Marcus Aurelius' reign, he sort of sick, he'd been sick a long time, and this rumor gets out that he's died, and it's at this moment that one of his most trusted generals, Aurelius Cassius, declares himself emperor. You might not think that's a big deal, but this was a death sentence for All of Marcus's family.
Starting point is 00:10:22 This basically meant that this guy he lived with and trusted and built up from essentially nothing had been plotting to replace him the whole time. But the problem is Marcus is not dead and he was not really even near death. He was totally fine. So now Marcus has to discover what he's gonna do. And what's so interesting about it is that Marcus wasn't angry, he didn't seek vengeance.
Starting point is 00:10:42 What he does is he says, actually, this is an opportunity. He tells his, man, he tells the Senate, I'm gonna use this as an opportunity to teach the Roman people and history how civil strife can be dealt with. So he doesn't get angry. He doesn't have the desire to crush this person. He says, I'm gonna bind this country back together. It's very similar to Lincoln.
Starting point is 00:11:05 Like Lincoln did not want a civil war. At every turn, he tried to convince the South not to do what they were trying to do. And he was the first to welcome the South back into the Union. There was some baseline terms, of course, but the important thing for him was Union. Marcus Wright says, there's only one thing
Starting point is 00:11:21 that I fear, fellow soldiers. And that is that Cassius will kill himself because he's ashamed to come into our presence where that someone else will do so upon learning that I am to come and I am setting out against him. If that happens, Mark says, I will actually have been deprived of something. A prize such as no human has ever obtained.
Starting point is 00:11:41 And he says, what is this prize? He says, to forgive a man who is wronged one, to remain a friend who has transgressed friendship and to continue faithful to one who has broken faith. Marcus says, no one is to be executed for this civil war. No one is to be punished for it. He tells the Senate, let no one's hands be stained with blood. And actually this worst case scenario
Starting point is 00:12:03 does come to pass someone assassinate Cassius. And we're told Marcus wept about it. Because what he saw this was, was not a bad thing. Obviously, he didn't want it to happen. But it was an opportunity to teach people that just because there's some dispute over whose emperor or not does not mean that Rome has to descend into a violent bloody, terrible civil war. And Marcus does save that from happening. And he does, I think, most beautifully prove that he actually meant these things that he was writing about in meditations.
Starting point is 00:12:33 One of the more unfortunate themes in Stoic philosophy is exile. Epicetus is exiled, Seneca's exiled, Musoneus Rufus is exiled at least three times and probably four times. Imagine four times you lose your house, you lose your ability to stay in your own country and you're sent off to some God for sake in land.
Starting point is 00:12:53 And at one point, he's sort of banished to this island. What's so beautiful about Moussone's Rufus is that he's totally unruffled by this. You know, people are like, are you gonna kill yourself? Are you gonna plot your return? He's like, no, I'm gonna do I got to do. So he does his writing, he does his teachings, famously on one of the islands that he's banished to. He discovers an underground
Starting point is 00:13:13 spring, the island had previously not fought, it had any springs, and was dependent on rainwater. So he's there actually helping the people who are stuck on this island with them. And so I love the picture of Musoneus Rufus just going, okay, this is where I live, this is what I do, right? How can I be of use where I happen to be at this moment? And I think that's the stoic approach. So instead of going, whoa is me, this is so bad for me, we think about how can I be of use to other people? In some cases losing everything frees us to not be so concerned with ourselves and
Starting point is 00:13:47 allows us to focus instead on the use that we can be for other people. I think what Musoneus did was he seized the opportunity to live by his teachings, to be of use to the world. And in doing the actually became quite famous, I think he believed that exile was not an evil or a hardship, but kind of a test, and a chance to move closer to virtue in the real world. And that's how we can see the obstacles that we face, or the disaster that we're in the middle of right now.
Starting point is 00:14:13 And I think that ties into one of the most modern stories of a stoic turning disaster and opportunity, and that's James Stockdale. As Stockdale is parachuting down into a prison camp in North Vietnam during the Vietnam War, he says to himself, actually, I'm leaving the world of technology entering the world of epictetus. He knew he was gonna be the highest ranked prisoner, taken captive so far in the war,
Starting point is 00:14:36 and he said, okay, this isn't about me, this is an opportunity to be a leader. This is what I was trained for. This responsibility has now fallen on me. And I think the most beautiful thing that Stockdale says about this, he goes, like, I never lost my faith in the end of the story. He said, I never doubted for one minute that I could have turned this into an event for which, in the future, I would not have traded away.
Starting point is 00:15:00 What he meant was by being a good leader, by testing his philosophy in the real world, by sticking to his ideals, by being a good soldier, by being a good, you know, comrade, he had the opportunity to turn this into a life to finding an event. And like most people, this is all they've ever even heard about,
Starting point is 00:15:18 Stockdale, he wins the Medal of Honor, he becomes an admiral in the Navy. He takes one of the worst things a human being has had to suffer through solitary confinement for years, shackled in leg irons, deprived of friends, family, clean food, and water. And he uses this as an opportunity to just prove the philosophy.
Starting point is 00:15:36 He uses it as an opportunity. He creates what they call a culture of defiance inside the prison camp. You comfort fellow prisoners when they break under torture because he knows that no one can really endure what they're being subjected to. He even creates a code language for them to communicate with. And they had this sort of acronym that go US, right?
Starting point is 00:15:56 That doesn't stand for United States. It stood for unity over self. The idea was they were a team, they were in this together, they were gonna get through it together, they were gonna support each other,, they were gonna support each other, and they were gonna make this the kind of thing that would define their lives and define the story of their lives.
Starting point is 00:16:12 And so I think that's what the stoic thinks about when we face disaster is like, yeah, sure, I don't want this to happen. Sure, I would have chosen for this not to have happened. Sure, it's not even my fault that this happened. But now that it is my fate, the idea of a more faulty means, I love this. It was chosen for me. And now I'm going to make it something that I can be proud of. I'm going to make it something that at least has some
Starting point is 00:16:35 advantages, if not for me, than at least for the other people around me. And that's how A Stoic turns disaster into opportunity. A Stoic believes the obstacle is the way. A Stoic turns disaster into opportunity. A Stoic believes the obstacle is the way. A Stoic doesn't just accept their fate, but loves it, embraces it. And as Marcus said, what you throw on top of a fire, it turns into flame and brightness. And that's what Zeno did, that's what Marcus did, that's what Musoneus Rufus did,
Starting point is 00:16:58 and that's what James Stockdale did. And I think that's what you can do. If you like the podcast that we do here and you want to get it via email every morning, you can sign up at dailystoke.com slash email. Hey, prime members, you can listen to the daily stoic early and ad free on Amazon music. Download the Amazon music app today Members, you can listen to the Daily Stoic early and add free on Amazon Music, download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen early and add free with Wondery Plus in Apple Podcasts.

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