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It was a rough life, plagues and pain, pandemics and personal loss, stress and temptation.
Marcus Aurelius, for all his privilege, did not have it easy.
Yet we ought to imagine him happy.
Why?
Because he tried to be.
All the Stoics did.
Not happy in the sense that they smiled all the time or were always having a good time,
but happy in the sense that they were fulfilled, that they experienced still-neuxed.
and contentment, gratitude, and acceptance. Convince yourself that it's all a gift from the gods,
he writes in meditations as a kind of definition of stoic happiness and wisdom, that things are
good and always will be. The primary indication of a well-ordered mind, Seneca said, is man's
ability to remain in one place and linger in his own company. Let us contrast this with another
powerful person. Elon Musk is smart. He is rich.
Incredibly so, with a net worth of around $500 billion.
He has achieved success few would ever imagine, and in multiple industries too.
But would anyone describe Elon Musk as happy?
He would not, as I detail in length in the middle section of the new book, Wisdom Takes
Work, which came out day before yesterday, and you can still order signed first editions
for a few more days.
Thanks to everyone that supported the book, it has meant so much to me.
It was just at Barnes & Noble signing, hundreds of them in your
New York City. Your orders are going out here every single day. Again, I really appreciate the support. But back to that message. Elon has described his life as difficult and excruciating. He once compared running a company to chewing glass and staring into the abyss. Inside his mind, he said, is a storm and not a happy one. I can remember even in happy moments when I was a kid, Elon once said, it just feels like there's a rage of forces in my mind constantly. Being in a
a big, empty house and the footsteps echoing through the hallway.
No one there, he once told a reporter, and no one on the pillow next to you.
Fuck, how do you make yourself happy in a situation like that?
Here is a man who can solve every imaginable technical problem but can't seem to fix his own life.
Who even unbelievable achievements have not helped.
Here is a man who has all the money in the world and yet can't buy the most valuable thing in the world with it.
There are a lot of smart people out there, but if they're so smart, why aren't they happy?
Life is too short to be miserable.
If wisdom doesn't bring you happiness, what good is it?
If it doesn't help you live in your own life, spend time in your own company, what use is it?
And certainly we can say if your success doesn't bring you happiness in contentment,
or at least some sense of self-worth, what is it worth?
wisdom is happiness happiness is a form of wisdom but happiness like wisdom is not an accident takes work
lots of it the work that the stoics did the work you have to do while you still can and i'm really
proud of this new book i'm i'm happy with it however it does i'm happy with it because i know i did my
best and i said what i wanted to say and i think i said something worth hearing so i do hope you hear it
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Dailystoic.com slash wisdom.
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I appreciate the support everyone.
I think you're really going to like the book, and I can't wait to hear from all of you about
it.
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Still come to the dinner where we're going to talk about the book.
You can get signed pages from the manuscript, including the page where I worked out this very
idea, which forms one of the chapters actually in part three, and a bunch of other awesome
stuff, including some bonus chapters, daily stoic.com slash wisdom. Enjoy.
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Hey, it's Ryan. Welcome to another Thursday episode of the Daily Stoak podcast. I was telling you back
in December I did this talk in Miami. It was a Q&A.
outside, about as beautiful backdrop as you can imagine. Lovely conversation. Well, it was actually
my third trip to Florida in like three days. Actually, let me pull up, just to give you a sense of
my life. So on Thursday, I was in and out of Miami. I flew out at seven, flew home at six,
and then I was home for one day. My wife had a trip. And then on Saturday, I was on a 7 a.m. flight
to Miami and a 615 flight home. And then less than one week later, I was on an 8 a.m. flight to
Orlando and a 8 p.m. flight home from Orlando. So that was three trips to Florida in less than
seven days, but that is the life of me or of a speaker. And it was lovely to get to go to Florida
in December and go for nice runs on the beach. Well, not in Orlando. That was a run around a Marriott
hotel complex. But I had two lovely runs in Miami along the water. As I said, I got to answer some
questions outside under the sun talking wellness. Debbie Brown, the podcaster, was wonderful at
moderating and asking the questions of her own. Let's talk some sociism.
These men are grappling with all the things that we are grappling with in this very second,
which is really the juggle of light and dark. You know, it's the,
It's the juggling of doing some of that inner shadow work or some of those harder things
or sometimes simply having to bear witness to what's happening and not look away.
And it's that searching for that deeper thing of why am I here and how can I make this better
for myself or make this experience feel more or less X, Y, and Z.
Yeah, and it's stoic women too.
Obviously, you know, philosophy and history is largely male.
that's who wrote the books, that's who could, you know, could afford to do these things.
That's who got permission to do these things.
But one of the Stoic teachers, his name was Musoni's Rufis.
He has this fascinating lecture that survives to us.
And he's talking about this question that people were asking at that time.
He says, should women be taught philosophy?
And his answer is, of course.
He says, virtue doesn't know gender, just like stillness doesn't know gender.
We all have different things that rile us up or get us worried.
we all have different concerns and, you know, different things we're working on, but these
fundamental ideas stay the same. And just because the names of so many of the Stoic females or the
wise women of history don't survive just doesn't mean they didn't exist. Of course they did.
And you might even argue they were more philosophical because they didn't need to, you know,
publish books and put their names on them and get all the credit, right? There's something.
Or they might have been destroyed, like much of women's adding to the world over time, you know,
we're always left out of history.
Totally. And so one of the famous Stoics is Cato. Cato's daughter, Portia Cato, is held up in antiquity as one of the sort of great Stoic women. She's married to Brutus who assassinations Julius Caesar. And so all the Stoics were in the mix. You know, it's not just a male thing. I think sometimes people today think, particularly because it's popular online, I think people think like Stoicism is just for dudes. And it's very much not. It's been lovely to see the day of Stoic audience. It's probably 50-50.
because we're all just trying to make our way in the world,
trying to deal with noise, trying to deal with temptations,
trying to deal with our emotions.
We're all dealing with the same set of things.
I think Stoke philosophy is a, as I said, a tool in that toolkit.
Absolutely.
And just to speak for women, we come out the womb Stoic.
You know, it's like there are so many ways
that we are constantly moving through the world with a quiet courage
and, you know, just in a deep ability to be present
with some of the harsh realities of being here.
and making it beautiful and raising families and bringing joy.
So, yeah.
Well, my wife likes a joke that one of us writes about stoicism and then the other is a stoic.
So.
Oh, perfect.
So something that you've mentioned here and really implied, but also mentioned so much in your work,
is that obstacles can be opportunities in disguise.
How can we reframe those personal wellness challenges that we're having, like the burnout or the self-doubt that
happens, how can we really use those to catalyze into opportunities for growth?
The idea for the Stoics is that every situation is an opportunity. It's not necessarily an
opportunity to make more money or build your business or whatever, right? There's stuff that
happens in life that is awful and hard and constraining and removes options, right? Like,
not everything is a chance to get healthier also, right? Like, you could find out you have cancer.
You could find out any number of things, right?
And so the idea for the Stokes is that everything was an opportunity for you to practice virtue.
Everything was an opportunity for you to act with courage or discipline or justice or wisdom.
So there might be no benefits to this situation for you, but there could be benefits for other people, right?
You could learn something that you're able to communicate from this experience.
So what the Stoics are saying is that as you face things in life, big or small, good or bad,
you're supposed to go, well, what is this an opportunity for me to do?
And what am I being asked of in this situation?
That's the idea.
There's one reading of Stoicism where it's like, hey, this is what makes you more productive
or more resilient or more successful.
And the Stokes were, you know, tough, resilient, successful people.
But at a deeper level, the idea is that it's always an opportunity for you to be great,
like to do great things, if not for yourself, for other people in the world.
For those that wrestle with ego, how do we get ego out?
No.
Definitely not me.
Never.
Yeah.
No, it's funny because I wrote this book, Ego is the Enemy.
And it's always interesting to hear from people who have strong opinions about the book
who have not read it.
And then you're like, that's ego.
You know, that's the definition of what I'm talking about.
But no, ego is there in all of us, and I rarely find it to be a positive thing.
And I don't mean this in the Freudian sense.
I just mean, like, you're never like, you know what really bring this team together
if we all had bigger egos, right?
Ego is a thing that gets in the way between us connecting, between us seeing what's really
there, between us enjoying the success we have, right?
because there's that sort of insatiability to ego or that almost destructive chaos-seeking part of ego,
the thing that makes hard things harder that makes, you know, it seeks out conflict and problems and chaos.
So to me, ego is this thing that gets between us and what we're supposed to do, who we're supposed to be, what we're trying to do.
How does someone look at that and kind of make that flexible and do something with it?
Well, I'm always, you know, you have strong opinions about things. Somebody sends you an email, you know, you get news about something, working on something. And I often find that my first reaction, you know, you can have the emotional reaction. And then there's often the sort of an ego reaction of like, who are they to say this to me or how dare, you know, that part, that sort of wounded inner child part of yourself that's there to protect you, but is often too protective and
shields you from what you need to hear or need to see. And so that's one of one of the questions
I'm always asking myself is like, am I doing this out of ego? Am I, am I angry about this feedback
that I got because it's not true? Or am I actually angry because I know it is true and I don't
want it to be true, right? Or am I insisting on this thing or trying to get this thing? Is, are my
motives here self-serving or are they self-less, right? And so I just find that ego is bad fuel.
It's bad. It screws with your compass. And I'm not saying egotistical people are never successful.
Of course they are. But what's really interesting when you meet successful people, really successful
people, the inner circle of people around them, they know. They see where ego is making it harder
for this person. They have to do a lot of work, you know, trying to artfully get around it.
They know how that person could have done more or done better or could have done it on the
first try and so to the 30th try. In recovery, they talk about ego as an acronym. It stands for
edging God out, which is an interesting way to think about it. Even if you don't think about it
in a spiritual context, what it's really doing is, you know, making you God. And so the idea of
focusing on someone or something bigger than yourself to me is, again, just one of these ways we
kind of push ego away. And it's a constant process. You don't read a book and then never have
ego again. You don't have some, you know, humbling failure and never have ego again.
You know, I'm sure psychedelics can be interesting in examining these things, but doesn't magically
make it go away forever. It's work.
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I did a wonderful talk back in Seattle with Robert Green, which was one of my favorites. So I'm going to be there.
You can ask me questions, and I'll be talking Stoicism and the ideas in the new book.
Just go to Daily StoicLive.com.
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