The Daily Stoic - How To Be Free | Epictetus

Episode Date: May 5, 2024

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Starting point is 00:02:02 exclusively on Amazon Music or by subscribing to Wondry Plus in Apple Podcasts or the Wondry app. Welcome to the weekend edition of the Daily Stoic Podcast. On Sundays, we take a deeper dive into these ancient topics with excerpts from the Stoic texts, audiobooks that we like here or recommend here at Daily Stoic, and other long-form wisdom that you can chew on on this relaxing weekend. We hope this helps shape your understanding of this philosophy and most importantly, that you're able to apply it to your actual life. Thank you for listening. Hey, it's Ryan Holiday. Welcome to another Sunday episode of the daily stoic podcast.
Starting point is 00:02:58 Look, obviously I write about stoicism, but what gets me excited, what I feel like my job is, is to bring people to the Stoics. And this is a process that goes way, way back. We know from the beginning of meditations that Marcus Aurelius is lent by Rusticus, his philosophy teacher, his copy of Epictetus' lectures. And this book changes Marcus Aurelius' life. Now, Marcus Aurelius had someone to really walk him through Epictetus, who's not the easiest.
Starting point is 00:03:27 And some translations are less accessible than others, which is why I really like what Princeton University Press has been doing with this ancient wisdom for modern reader series. We carry a bunch of them in the bookstore. I've used them because it's like the greatest hits, kind of in the way that Daily Stoic tries to do this, greatest hits of little snippets
Starting point is 00:03:46 around certain themes from the Stoics. They've got some from Cicero, they've got some from Plutarch. I really liked their one, How to Be a Leader from Plutarch, which I've been recommending to a lot of people. Anyways, today we're bringing you an audio excerpt from that book translated by Anthony Long. It's called How to Be Free, and it's a selection of some of Epictetus' best thinking.
Starting point is 00:04:07 You know, in a way Epictetus is meant to be listened to more than he's meant to be read anyway, because as I said, we have, this is his lecture notes. This is someone that kept transcribing, probably Arian, who is a great biographer and an administrator in Hadrian's administration. So he's capturing Epictetus talking to his students, lecturing to his students.
Starting point is 00:04:29 So there's something I think really powerful actually about listening to Epictetus in this way. The book is great though. You can grab How to Be Free, An Ancient Guide to the Stoic Life. I'll link to that. We carry it to the Pain and Porch, but they've got these really great audio books
Starting point is 00:04:41 and Princeton University Press has been gracious enough to allow us to bring you little chunks. That's what we're doing in today's episode. And here's some advice from the one and only Epictetus on how to be free. And look, he knows what he's talking about because he was once a slave. So he knows the value of freedom.
Starting point is 00:05:00 And when he uses this metaphor of being free or enslaved, he also understands it at this literal level, which I think just makes it so much more powerful. So here's Epictetus, How to be Free. Grab a copy in today's show notes and support the Princeton University Press, who is doing awesome work. One, learning to desire each thing as it happens The person who is getting an education ought
Starting point is 00:05:30 to approach this process with the following aim. How can I follow the gods in everything? How can I be content with the divine administration? And how can I become free? Well, you are free if nothing happens that conflicts with your will, and if no one is able to obstruct you. What does that mean? Are you telling me that freedom is madness? No, of course not. Freedom and madness don't go together. But I want my every wish to come to pass, however crazy that may seem. You really are mad. You are raving. Don't you know that freedom is something fine and wonderful? To be so happy-go-lucky in one's wishes as to want every whim fulfilled is tantamount to being the
Starting point is 00:06:12 reverse of fine. Utterly shameful, in fact. Think how we proceed in the case of the alphabet. Do I want to write the name Dio in whatever way I like. No, I am taught to like it the way it should be written. How is it in music? Just the same. And so it is, quite generally, wherever some skill or expertise is involved. Otherwise, if knowledge were adjusted to everyone's individual whims, there would be no point in learning anything. Is it only here, then, in the case of the greatest and most important thing, freedom, that I am allowed to be happy-go-lucky in my wishes? Not here, least of all, because education is precisely learning to want all individual things to happen just as they do happen.
Starting point is 00:06:59 And how do they happen? In the way that the one who has arranged them has arranged. He has arranged for there to be summer and winter, plenty and dearth, virtue and vice, and all such opposites on behalf of the harmony of the universe, and he has given each of us a body and bodily parts and property and fellow human beings. Mindful thereafter of this arrangement, we should proceed to education, not in order to change the conditions, for this is not granted to us, neither would it be better. But in order that, with things about us as they are, and as their nature is, we may keep our minds in harmony with what happens. Tell me then, is it possible to escape from people? How could that happen?
Starting point is 00:07:47 But is it possible to change them by being in their company? Who gives us that option? What else is there, then, and what resource can we find for dealing with them? The sort of resource whereby they will do what seems good to them, but we shall just as surely be in harmony with nature. Yet you are unhappy and discontented. If you are alone you call it isolation, but if you are in company you call people schemers and robbers. You even find fault with your parents and children and brothers and neighbours. But when you are alone you should call it peace and freedom and liken yourself to the gods. And when you are in a group, you should not call it a crowd and a mob and an
Starting point is 00:08:28 unpleasantness, but a party and a festival, and so accept everything cheerfully. What, then, is the punishment for those who don't accept? To be just as they are. A man doesn't like being alone. Let him be in isolation. He doesn't like his parents. Let him be a bad son and moan. He doesn't like his children. Let him be a bad father. Throw him in jail. What jail? You mean where he is now? For he is there against his will, and wherever someone is against his will, there he is in jail. That's how Socrates was not in jail, because he was there willingly. 2. Freedom from emotional distress What is the fruit of these Stoic doctrines? The very thing that has to be the finest and
Starting point is 00:09:22 most fitting outcome for people who are getting a real education. Tranquility, fearlessness and freedom. For on these matters we should not trust the many people who say that education is only available to the free, but rather the philosophers who say that only the educated are free. What do you mean by this? What do you mean by this? Well, ask yourself about freedom in this time of ours. Doesn't it consist simply in the power to live as we wish? Absolutely. Tell me then, you people, do you wish to live in error? We do not. That's right. No one is free who is in error. Do you wish to live in fear and sorrow and disturbance? Certainly not.
Starting point is 00:10:05 So no one who is fearful or sorrowful or disturbed is free, but the person who is relieved of sorrows and fears and disturbances is relieved of enslavement by the very same process. 3. Freedom from subservience Do you think freedom is something great and noble and valuable? Of course. Is it possible to be submissive if you obtain such a great and confidently say that this man also is not free, and not only if he is doing it for the sake of a meager meal, but even if he is hoping for a governorship or a consulship. Call people who act like this for small things petty slaves, and call the others as they deserve slaves on the grand scale. You are right again.
Starting point is 00:11:04 Do you think freedom is something in one's own power and self-determined? Of course. You can confidently say, then, that no man is free if someone else has the power to obstruct and compel him. And don't consider his family tree or investigate whether he was ever bought or sold, but if you hear him say, Yes, sir, within himself and with feeling, call him a slave, even if you hear him say, Yes, sir, within himself and with feeling, call him a slave, even if he is preceded by a consular retinue. And if you hear him say, Poor me, what thing shall I suffer, call him a slave. In short, if you see him wailing, complaining, and unhappy, call him a slave in official
Starting point is 00:11:42 dress. If, however, he does none of these things, don't call him free yet, but examine his judgments to see whether they are in any way subject to compulsion or obstruction or unhappiness. And if you find him to be of that sort, call him a slave on vacation at the Saturnalia, and say that his master is away. Soon he will come back, and then you will learn the nature of this man's sufferings." Who will come back? Everyone who has authority over anything that the man wants, either to get it for him or take it away from him. Do we have so many masters,
Starting point is 00:12:19 then? Oh, yes. Prior to people, we have masters in the form of circumstances, and there are lots of those. For this reason, then, everyone with authority over any of our circumstances is bound to be our master. Caesar himself, you see, is not what people fear. They fear death, exile, confiscation of property, prison, loss of citizenship. In the same way, no one loves Caesar himself, unless he happens to be an outstanding person. What we love are wealth and high position in government or military service. Whenever these are the things that we love and hate and fear, it must be the case that those who have authority over them are our masters. 4. Freedom to ascent without impediment
Starting point is 00:13:07 Is it possible for someone who desires any of the things that are up to others to be unimpeded? It is not. Is it possible for them to be unconstrained? It is not. Therefore, they cannot be free either. So think, do we have nothing that is exclusively up to us, or is everything like that, or are some things up to us and some things up to others? How do you mean? When you want your body to be completely sound, is it up to you,
Starting point is 00:13:39 or is it not? It is not up to me. And when you want it to be in good health, not that either. And when you want it to be handsome, no again. And when you want to live or to die, not that either. Therefore your body is not your own property. It is dependent on everything that is stronger than itself, granted. And is it up to you to have land whenever you want, for as long as you want, in the condition that you want? It is not. And likewise in the case of slaves, clothes, house, and horses. None
Starting point is 00:14:14 of these either. And if more than anything you want your children to stay alive, or your wife or your brother or your friends, are these things up to you? They are not. Have you then nothing that is self-determined, that is up to yourself exclusively, or do you have such a thing? I don't know. Well, look at it like this and think about it. Can anyone make you assent to something untrue?
Starting point is 00:14:40 No one can. Therefore, in the domain of assent, you are unimpeded and unconstrained. Granted. Let's continue. Can someone compel you to have a motivation for something you do not want? They can. Whenever they threaten me with death or with fetters, they compel me to have such a motivation. Suppose, though, that you disdain dying and being fettered. Are you still going to pay attention to them? I am not. Is disdaining death your own function, then, or does it not belong to you? It is mine. So being motivated is also your own function, or is it not? I grant that it is,
Starting point is 00:15:20 and repulsion from something that is also yours. What if I am motivated to take a walk, and another person impedes me? What part of you will they impede? Surely not your ascend. No, but my poor body. Yes, as they would impede a stone. Let that be so, but the fact is that I don't continue with my walk. And who told you it
Starting point is 00:15:45 is your function to walk unimpeded? What I have been telling you is that the only unimpeded thing is the motivation. Wherever there is a need for the body and the body's cooperation, you have heard long ago that none of it is your own. I grant that as well. Can anyone compel you to desire something that you don't want? No one can. Can anyone exert compulsion over your intentions and projects, or to speak quite generally, can anyone manipulate the way you deal with the impressions you experience? Not that either.
Starting point is 00:16:20 But when I do desire something, they will stop me from getting what I desire. But how will they stop you if you desire one of the things that are your own, and not liable to impediment? In no way at all. So who is telling you that you can be free from impediment if you desire things that are not your own? Am I not to desire health, then? Certainly not, and nothing else that is not your own.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Because nothing is your own that is not up to you to procure or to secure whenever you want. Keep your hands right off it. But first and foremost, keep your desire well away. Otherwise, you are giving yourself up to slavery and submitting your neck to the yoke. If ever you admire what is not your own, and feel strongly for things that are dependent on others and are perishable.
Starting point is 00:17:10 Isn't my hand my own? It is a part of you, but by nature it is clay, subject to impediment and compulsion, a slave to everything that is stronger. And why do I mention your hand to you? You should treat your entire body like a little overloaded donkey, just as long as that is possible and allowed to you. But if it is pressed into public service and a soldier seizes it, let it go and don't resist or grumble. If you do, you will get a beating and lose your little donkey just the same.
Starting point is 00:17:42 Since this is the attitude you need to have to the body, consider what you need to do about the rest of the things that one gets for the sake of the body. Since the body is a little donkey, everything else becomes bridles, saddles, shoes, barley and hay for the donkey. Let them go too. Dismiss them more quickly and more easily than the donkey itself. 5. Knowing what to want. Everything everywhere is perishable and vulnerable. If you get
Starting point is 00:18:15 attached to some of them, even a little, you are bound to be troubled and discouraged, a prey to anxiety and distress. You will have desires that are unfulfilled and aversions that are fully realized. Are we not willing, therefore, to secure the only safety that has been granted to us, to give up the perishable and slavish things, and work on those that are imperishable and naturally free? Don't we recall that no one does injury or benefit to another, for that the cause of each of these things is a judgment.
Starting point is 00:18:48 This is what does harm and wreckage. It is this that is battle, this that is strife, and this that is war. What made Atiocles and Polyneses the mortal foes that they were was simply this, their judgment concerning kingship and their judgment concerning exile. They judged the latter to be the worst of bad things, and the former to be the greatest of goods. This is everyone's nature, to pursue the good and avoid the bad, and to regard a person who deprives us of the one and inflicts us with the other as an enemy and a schemer, even if he is a brother or a son or a father, for nothing is more closely related to us with the other as an enemy and a schemer, even if he is a brother or a son or a father,
Starting point is 00:19:26 for nothing is more closely related to us than the good. So if these things are good and bad, no father is dear to his sons, and no brother is dear to his brother, but everything is full of enemies, plotters, and informers. But if the right will is the only good thing, and the wrong will the only bad thing, what place is left for battle? What place for abuse? About what things? About things that are nothing to us? Against whom? Against the ignorant? Against the unfortunate? Against people who have been deceived about what matters most. You know, if I would have applied myself, I could have gone to the NBA. You think so? Yeah, I think so. But it's just like it's been done.
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Starting point is 00:21:42 different in the area of desire and motivation? Can anyone overcome a motivation, except another motivation? What can overcome a desire or an aversion, except another desire or aversion? Yet if someone threatens me with the fear of death, they do compel me. What compels you is not the threat, but your decision that it is better to do something else rather than die. Once again, then, it is your judgment that compelled you, in other words, will compelled will. For if God, in taking from Himself His own special part, which He has given to us, had constructed it to be impeded or constrained by Himself or by something else, He would no longer be God or be caring for us as he should. If you so will it, you are free. If
Starting point is 00:22:31 you so will it, you will blame no one, accuse no one, and everything will be in accord both with your own judgment and with God's. 7. Making Correct Use of Impressions We are endowed with many attributes that are uniquely requisite for rational creatures, but as you will find, we also share many faculties with the animals that lack ability to reason. Do they, too, pay attention to what happens? By no means. Using and paying attention are quite different from one another. God needed the other animals as creatures that make use of their impressions, but he needed us as creatures who pay attention to how we use them. Therefore, it is sufficient for
Starting point is 00:23:16 them to eat and drink and rest and copulate, and do everything else that each kind of animal does. For us, on the other hand, to whom God has also given the power of paying attention, these animal activities are no longer sufficient. But unless we act appropriately and methodically and in harmony with our individual nature and constitution, we shall no longer attain our own ends. Beings that have different constitutions also have different functions and ends. In those whose constitution is designed for use alone, use of that constitution is quite sufficient. But those who have the additional power of paying attention will never attain their ends, unless they exercise this faculty properly. What, then, is the consequence? God constituted
Starting point is 00:24:06 each of the other animals, either to be eaten, or to serve in farming, or to produce cheese, or for some other comparable use. To perform these functions, what need do they have of the power to pay attention to impressions and to discriminate between them? But God introduced human beings to be students of himself and his works, and not merely students, but also interpreters of these things. It is wrong, therefore, for us to begin and end where the non-rational animals do. We should rather begin where they do, but end where Nature has ended in our case. Nature ended at studying and paying attention to things and a way of life in harmony with itself. See to it, then, that you do not die without having studied
Starting point is 00:24:51 these things. 8. Freedom and Human Nature All the other creatures have been left without the ability to pay attention to the world's divine government. Rational animals, however, have resources for reasoning about all these things, and to conclude that they themselves are a part of the world, a part of a particular kind, and also that it is right for the parts to give way to the whole. Furthermore, since it is their nature to be noble, high-minded, and free, they see that they are positioned in a world where some things are unimpeded and up to them, while
Starting point is 00:25:30 other things are liable to impediment and up to others. Things of the first kind belong to the sphere of the will, while those that are outside of it are liable to impediment. Accordingly, if rational animals restrict their own good and interest to the former kind alone, for things that are unimpeded and up to themselves, they will be free, contented, happy, unharmed, high-minded, reverent, grateful to God for all things, never finding fault with anything that has happened or blaming anyone. If, on the other hand, they identify their good and interest with things that are external and outside the sphere of the will, they are bound to be impeded and frustrated, subservient to those who have authority over
Starting point is 00:26:15 the things that they have admired and fear. They are also bound to be utterly irreverent, since they think that God has a grudge against them, and to be unfair, since they always grab more for themselves, and they are bound to lack self-respect and generosity. If you understand these truths, what has to stop you from living in a free and easy way, calmly accepting everything that can happen, and putting up with what has already taken place? Do you want me to be poor? Bring it on, and you will learn what poverty is when a good actor plays that part. Do you want me to hold office? Bring it on. Do you want me to leave office? Bring that on, too. Do you want me to endure pains? Bring them on,
Starting point is 00:26:59 as well. And exile? Wherever I go, I will be fine, because I was already fine here, not on account of the place, but as a result of my principles, and I am going to take them with me. No one can take them away from me. They are my only possessions, irremovable ones that are enough for me wherever I am and whatever I do." But it's now time for you to die. Why do you say to die? Don't make it into a tragic business. Tell it as it is. It's now time for the material you are made of to return to the source it first came from. What's terrible about that? What is the world about to lose of its contents? What strange and unheard-of thing is going to happen? Is it for this that the Tyrant makes us afraid? Is this why the swords of the guards seem long and sharp?
Starting point is 00:27:53 Let others worry about that. Having looked into it all, I find that no one has authority over me. I have been liberated by God. I have gotten to know his commands. No one has power any longer to enslave me. I have the right kind of emancipator and the right kind of judges." 9. Freedom and Dignity Study the powers that you have, and then say, Bring on now, O Zeus, whatever circumstance you like, for I have the equipment and resources bestowed on me by yourself to distinguish myself by means of the things that come to
Starting point is 00:28:30 pass. No, you sit trembling for fear of what may happen, weeping, wailing, and groaning over what actually is happening, and then you put the blame on the gods, for the feebleness that you display amounts to nothing short of impiety. Yet God has not only given us these powers as the means for us to bear everything that happens without being humiliated and crushed by them, He has also, like a good king and a true father, given them without impediment or constraint or hindrance. He has made them entirely up to us, without reserving even for himself any power to impede or hinder. Since you have these powers, free and entirely
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