The Daily Stoic - It’s Almost Unimaginable | Ask Daily Stoic

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Starting point is 00:00:55 example and to start your day off with a little dose of courage and discipline and justice and wisdom. For more, visit Daily dailystoic.com. It's almost unimaginable. He must have been quite a sight. Marcus Aurelius represented imperial power, to be sure, pomp and circumstance. He also must have seemed to the Romans to be a tragic figure.

Starting point is 00:01:35 Here was a man who had buried nine of his children. Here was a philosopher whose reign had been marked by wars and disasters and plagues. Here was a wise man whose body was failing him. They would have seen him, as the song about another statesman who lost their son goes. He is working through the unimaginable. His hair has gone gray. He passes every day.

Starting point is 00:02:00 They say he walks the length of the city. You knock me out, I fall apart. Can you imagine? The Romans would have pitied him. They would have felt for him, as they should have. And yet for all this, we don't see in meditations any sense that Marcus allowed himself to give up. In fact, whenever he speaks of his misfortune, he quickly corrects himself. No, it's fortunate that this happened, he writes. It's fortunate that this happened

Starting point is 00:02:30 and I've remained unharmed by it. I was once a fortunate man, he writes elsewhere. And at some point, fortune abandoned me. Except he counters himself with hope. True good fortune is what you make for yourself, he writes. Good fortune is good character, for yourself, he writes. Good fortune is good character, good intentions, and good actions. And in this way he would have become another kind of sight, the sight of perseverance and resilience, the man who remained unbroken despite life's best attempts,

Starting point is 00:02:58 a man whose decency and kindness and love for others was unaffected by all the pain directed upon him. And that is why, though they might have pitied him, people must have admired him, not for his power, not for his wisdom, but for his refusal to be undone, for proving in the face of unimaginable suffering that true fortune is not what happens to us, but how we choose to meet it. Hey, it's Ryan. Welcome to another episode of the Daily Soak Pockets.

Starting point is 00:03:34 This is a new intro for me. Oh, come here. This is the first intro of its kind because I am holding our new puppy in my lap while I do it. This is Oreo. I did not get to choose the name, but my wife and I were driving down our road a couple weeks ago and we saw these two little puppies just running on the road and we rescued them and we found a new owner for one of them and my kids insisted that we keep

Starting point is 00:03:56 one and Oreo here is in my lap. We don't know. We just did a DNA test. We haven't figured out what she is, but hopefully she'll be my new running buddy. And at the very least, she's my recording buddy. And I just have a short intro for you guys today. It's a Thursday episode, as you know, we do Q&As. I've been bringing you some questions I answered when I was in London back in November. This was the first stop at the Troxy Theater. I think it went great.

Starting point is 00:04:24 Hopefully you can come see me at some other talks. I'm trying to do another tour at some point. And then I'm heading out, actually I'm heading to Riverside, California tomorrow. This might be after you're listening to speak at my alma mater where I went to college. Hopefully I'll be able to bring you at some point in the future as well. Enjoy. I'm finding myself like immersed in reading a lot of books now and doing a lot of note cards, but not dedicating a lot of time into the writing part.

Starting point is 00:04:52 Okay. And I really like the style that you read. I know that Robert Green was a great mentor for you. And I would like to know like, how do you balance those? Sure. And how do you apply creativity to the process? Like I know your perennial seller book is amazing. I have it here, but yeah, I want to know how you balance those and how do you apply creativity to the process? Like I know your perennial seller book is amazing. I have it here.

Starting point is 00:05:08 But yeah, I want to know how you balance and how do you strive to be that part of writer, especially during like all these occupations we have, like jobs and everything else happening. Yeah. Okay. So I only read physical books and I'm proud and happy with that fact up until I have to travel and then I have to decide how many I can fit in my suitcase. Usually it's more a problem of how many I have to bring home from the trip. That's usually the trouble that I get into. But I just find if I'm going to spend the time reading, I want to spend it and actually do it. And then I want to visit not just a physical reminder of that, but the physical process of reading with a pen, writing in the margins, noting down what I

Starting point is 00:05:52 want and then going back through it. That's the process by which I am interacting with the material multiple times, then I'm finding stuff often that I end up using with my other books. So usually like in my office, I try to read just one book at a time, and then I finish it and it goes in a stack near my desk. And then whenever I have a few spare minutes, I was just talking to James Clear about this, it's really important that you have something to do

Starting point is 00:06:19 with your extra time. Like when you have a few extra minutes, when you have time you don't know what to do with, you know what to do with it. And so when I finish something early, I'm waiting, somebody's late for something, the zoom was supposed to connect and it didn't and now I have 30 extra minutes before my next thing, I pick up one of those books and I go back through it and I transfer those to note cards, which I then organize for my books. And every one of my books is a collection of those note cards. And I just more or less finished the manuscript for the

Starting point is 00:06:51 Wisdom Book, which will be the fourth book in this series. And then on Thursday before we flew here, I took out a box from the shelf to start the note cards for the next book that I'm working on. So I'm just always doing it. And it's not spending hundreds of hours, uninterrupted hours on it. It's whenever I can squeeze it in, I do it. As far as the relationship between researching and writing, whenever I'm having trouble writing, it's because I haven't done enough research.

Starting point is 00:07:19 I find the writing stringing together of sentences to not be particularly difficult. But what is in those sentences? What is the material that you are distilling down to say what you are trying to say? That is the rarer part of the process, or that is the rarer raw material. And so whenever I'm having trouble writing or I'm even finding myself procrastinating for writing, it's usually because the material is not there. And at some level It's usually because the material is not there. And at some level, I know that the material is not there. And I have to go back to do more research.

Starting point is 00:07:53 Like in the book I just finished, I was gonna write this chapter about Lincoln, and I've already read a lot about Lincoln. I thought I had a lot of cards. And I had to read like another 2,000 pages and distill all that down again. So it's usually, I don't think writers block is the problem. The research is what's blocking the writing.

Starting point is 00:08:14 And once I do the research, the writing tends to come real easily. My name is Nick and I'm a scientist. I'm specialized in infectious diseases. Oh, you've been busy. Yeah, I know. And for the last four years, everyone has an opinion about the discipline, right?

Starting point is 00:08:30 All big fans? Yeah, I know. How would you manage these type of arguments or opinions? Do you choose a specific fight, or do I just focus on the overall picture and try to fight the big fight? There's a Marcus Relays quote that maybe you'll relate to. We don't know what he's talking about specifically, some incident, something somebody said about him,

Starting point is 00:08:52 but he says, "'Being emperor is to earn a bad reputation by doing good deeds.'" And he was talking about how you inevitably don't please everyone, right? There's some group of people who are upset with you. And it is a reality of any profession. I think the tragedy of your profession is that

Starting point is 00:09:16 if there's somebody that doesn't like my stuff and I ignore them, there's no cost to society in that. We are struggling as a society to how do we balance freedom of speech, which is essential, and then people who are actively poisoning or polluting our information ecosystem, which has real world consequences for the, you know, human society. And I'm not quite sure we figured out the balance.

Starting point is 00:09:49 I'm not quite sure we figured out what you ignore, what you respond to. Sometimes we're responding too heavily to things and other times we're not responding enough and we're just allowing things to take over whole platforms and systems. My first book is kind of all about the wicked incentives of the system that leads this.

Starting point is 00:10:12 I have another Marcus Riles quote that I think a lot about. He lives through a plague, the Antonine Plague. It's a fascinating book about this called Pax Romana, all about the Antonine Plague. And it's a pandemic that doesn't last for a couple of years, lasts for like a decade and a half. Millions of Romans die. And they have essentially no ability to respond to it. And as distant and different as it was,

Starting point is 00:10:38 he has this quote in there that I didn't really understand until 2020. I didn't understand Meditations as a book written during a plague, but it was. And he says, you know, there's two types of pestilences. He's like, there's one that can destroy your life. That's the actual virus. And then he says, there's the one that can destroy your character. And you could say there's also the one that can destroy your brain. There's a whole bunch of people that we haven't gotten back since COVID. And they caught a different kind of virus, usually on the internet. And that is a tragic thing.

Starting point is 00:11:15 I think it goes to what I've been trying to say is our big problem. How do you stay sane in an insane world? And how do you stay sort of clean and unaffected or uninfected when all these people around you are catching this thing? And it's not always about infectious diseases, but it's a mistrust in institutions or it's a loathing for a specific group of people.

Starting point is 00:11:41 I mean, you could argue antisemitism is like the oldest virus that there is, and many of the Romans caught it. So there's always been this thing that spreads amongst human beings of distrust and hatred and disillusionment and despair, and the ability to not be infected with it is kind of like the ultimate strength that we have to have. We have to figure out how you immunize yourself.

Starting point is 00:12:06 How do you develop an information diet, cultivate a sort of sense of self and information ecosystem that allows you to get information from people who you agree with and disagree with without also breaking your brain, as so many smart people seem to have done. Hey, it's Ryan. Thank you for listening to the Daily Stoic podcast. I just wanted to say we so appreciate it. We love serving you. It's amazing to us that over 30 million people have

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