The Daily Stoic - It’s Not Extraordinary | No Pain, No Gain
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no pain no gain this is today's entry in the daily stoic
difficulties show a person's character epictetus tells us in discourses one 24 so when a
challenge confronts you remember that god is matching you with a younger sparring partner as
would a physical trainer.
Coming an Olympian, it takes sweat.
I think no one has a better challenge than yours,
if only you would use it like an athlete,
would a younger sparring partner.
The Stoics loved metaphors from the Olympics,
especially wrestling.
Like us, they saw sports as both a fun pastime
as well as a training ground to practice for the challenges
one will inevitably face in the course of living.
As General Douglas MacArthur once said,
in words engraved at the gymnasium at West
point upon the fields of friendly strife are sown the seeds that upon other fields on other days
will bear the fruits of victory everyone has found themselves outmatched by an opponent frustrated by
some skill or attribute that they have that we don't height speed vision whatever how we choose
to respond to that struggle tells us about who we are as athletes and who will be as people do we
see it as a chance to learn and get stronger do we get frustrated and complain or worse do we
call it off and find an easier game to play, one that makes us feel good instead of challenged.
The greats don't avoid these tests of their abilities.
They seek them out because they are not just a measure of greatness.
They are the pathways to it.
You know, Marcus Realist love to box and to wrestle, hunt.
These physical activities, his love of competition and the outdoors,
it was cultivating, as MacArthur said, the seeds,
that upon other fields and on other days will bear the fruits of victory or bear stoicism
or bear the fruits of virtue, Marx really, as might have said.
Sports are a way to practice, to cultivate, to get after it in a safe space that hopefully
you build some virtues that are transferable, right?
Even the metaphor here of Epictetus is that, you know, you're matched with a strong sparring
partner. If you've ever wrestled, if you've ever played against someone
better than you, you realize, hey, this is making me better. I'm getting my ass kick,
but it's making me better. You seek that out. But how rarely we do that in life.
We want things to be easy. We want them to be comfortable. We hate that challenging boss.
We hate that rival or that peer, right? We hate the adversity that life is dealing us.
We want it to go away. We complain that it happened to us. Now, it's good. It was chosen for you.
chosen for you by a trainer or a coach that wants to get the best out of you.
And if you can come to think about it that way, if you can come to relish it almost for that
reason, you'll be able to use it. You'll be able to grow. Becoming an Olympian takes sweat,
Epitia says. No one has a better challenge than yours, he says, but only if you choose to
treat it the way an athlete would treat their sparring partner, someone to learn from, someone
to get stronger from, someone to work out their issues on and with, right, teammate, collaborator,
even though they're also an opponent, even though they're also punching you in the head or dunking
on you, literally or figuratively, right? That's why we do this work. Competition makes you better.
Resistance makes you stronger. You have to understand this metaphor. And there's no better way
to understand that metaphor, then by literally doing those things on the field. It's
cultivating strong body and a strong mind. And that's the message. No pain, no gain. It's good
that it's hard. It's good that they're challenging you. It's good that you're getting your
ass kicked because you're going to use it and be better so that when the real fight happens,
when you're on the other field, as MacArthur said, you can bring your best, you can do your best,
you can win.
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