The Daily Stoic - Matthew McConaughey LIVE at The Painted Porch

Episode Date: February 1, 2025

How does Matthew McConaughey deal with difficult people? What’s his approach to dealing with life’s red lights? And what advice does he offer to someone considering a major career change? In a live conversation at The Painted Porch, McConaughey answers these questions and more, while also clearing up some confusion on his viral tuna salad recipe. Matthew McConaughey has starred in Interstellar, A Time to Kill, The Wolf of Wall Street, Dallas Buyers Club, and more. McConaughey also works as a producer and spokesperson, and is the bestselling author of Greenlights. He also founded and runs the Just Keep Livin Foundation to help kids lead active and healthy lifestyles. To receive weekly wisdom from Matthew McConaughey, you can sign up to his brand new newsletter at lyricsoflivin.com.You can follow him on Twitter @McConaughey, Instagram @officiallymcconaughey, and YouTube at Matthew McConaughey, and you can find his Roadtrip course at artoflivinevent.com/roadtrip📚 Grab a paperback copy of Greenlights by Matthew McConaughey at The Painted Porch: https://www.thepaintedporch.com/🎙️ Don’t forget to listen to Matthew McConaughey’s interview with Ryan at The Daily Stoic Podcast studio before the Q&A on Apple Podcasts and Spotify 🎥 Watch Matthew McConaughey’s previous interviews on The Daily Stoic: Matthew McConaughey and Ryan Holiday on Stoicism and the Power of Doing LessMatthew McConaughey On The Art Of Livin’🎙️ Follow The Daily Stoic Podcast on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dailystoicpodcast🎥 Watch top moments from The Daily Stoic Podcast on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@dailystoicpodcast✉️ Want Stoic wisdom delivered to your inbox daily? Sign up for the FREE Daily Stoic email at https://dailystoic.com/dailyemail🏛 Get Stoic inspired books, medallions, and prints to remember these lessons at the Daily Stoic Store: https://store.dailystoic.com/📱 Follow us:  Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, and FacebookSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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when things have slowed down, be sure to take some time to think, to go for a walk, to sit with your journal, and most importantly to prepare for what the week ahead may bring. Hey it's Ryan. Welcome to another episode of the Daily Stoke Podcast. I've said this joke to other authors before, but basically you spend the first chunk of your career hoping to convince your publisher to let you do a book tour, to send you on book tour. They usually don't because the economics of them are not great. Even if you

have a good turnout at a small bookstore, 100 people, 200 people, 300 people, the math just doesn't make sense. It can be okay for the store. It's just not that great for the author, the publisher, because you know the author is making a dollar to a copy. You know they're not going to fly to 10 cities you know to sell 100 books in each city. It's a loss leader thing. So you want to go on tour though because it seems glamorous and cool and you as early on as an author you're like anyone I can get into the audience I'm into and then you do it a couple times and then you hope your publisher doesn't send you on book tour. The last big one I think I did was for Stillness is the Key. We had two kids under three and I was

just like I can't ever do this again. It was insane and sometimes my wife and I go, can you believe that not only was I doing that, but then she flew to meet me at two different stops? Like, what were we thinking? So we don't do a lot of book events at the Painted Porch. I know Jack Carr did one. Was it for In the Blood? I forget which one of his books he came out and did it.

Brent Underwood did one for Ghost Town Living, the Sarah Gordo book. I don't even think I've done one at the store now that I think about it. So I was pleasantly surprised, excited, and then had to figure out if we actually could and would do it when our friend Matthew McConaughey's people reached out and said,

hey Matthew's promoting the paperback of Greenlights. I wanted to do something with an independent bookstore. Would you want him to do an event at the Painted Porch? And then he'd also do the podcast in person, which we'd been talking about for a while. And I said, of course. And then we had to figure out how to do it. It was tough for him and us because we can't accommodate

like 500,000 people the way that easily he could have brought. And we saw this because as he was leaving the event, like everyone had left and he was just walking out, like you could just sense like celebrity energy, just people driving by, is that who that, I think that is. So we sold 75 tickets. Some people flew in from all over the world.

Some were just local residents of Bastrop. It was a lovely little mix and we did it out on the back porch of the bookstore. And then Matthew stuck around and signed books for everyone and pulled his full circle. So the only reason to do a book tour these days is obviously it's nice to meet 75 fans, but 75 people, that's not meeting people at scale.

So that's not the reason to do the bookstore. But of course we filmed it, we recorded it, we're running it here on the podcast, but this is the funny part. So I remember kind of feeling a little guilty, like Matthew's putting in all this time, he had to bring the security people out to just sell like a couple hundred books.

Like, you know, this is an A-list actor, is this gonna be worth his time? Obviously I enjoyed it. Selfishly, I had a great time and we got to hang out, maybe that's why he did it, but that's what I was thinking about, right? And one of the questions, you'll hear this in the interview, somebody asked him about this thing he talked about in another

podcast, which was a recipe he invented for tuna salad. It's sort of like the Matthew McGonaghey tuna salad recipe, which actually is great. And we made it and I really liked it later. But somebody asked him this question and he gave this hilarious answer, very in depth. And I remember as I was leaving, I said to Chelsea, our social media person, I said, I think you should cut that as a clip and post it. Like don't wait till the podcast comes out or the video comes out, just grab that and post it.

And she did. And on TikTok alone, it did like 7 million views. So when we think about like the economics and the reasons to do something like a book tour, it turns out it's the 75 people that you talk to or the 200 people that you talk to. That's all nice and that's great for them and for you and fun.

But in this social media internet video world that we live in, actually the value is in the people who weren't there. That's you listening to this right now. That's who benefits from it. And I'm happy to bring you this second part of our interview. This is us on the back porch of the painted porch in front of the big orange mural,

which you may have seen in some of our videos. I asked Matthew some questions first, and then we turned it over to Q&A with the audience in the second half. As I said, Greenlights is now available in paperback. There's a reason this book has sold millions and millions of copies. It's great. There I said, Greenlights is now available in paperback. There's a reason this book has sold millions and millions of copies. It's great.

There's also a Greenlights journal. And then Matthew talked about the book he is working on next, so that's exciting. We sold out of all the signed copies at the painted porch almost immediately like the next day, but you can grab a paperback or a hardcover from us. I'll link to that in today's show notes. You can follow him at officially McConaghey on Instagram,

at McConaghey on Twitter, at Matthew McConaghey on YouTube. Enjoy. Thanks everyone. We'll just do a few questions, you and me, and then we'll open it up to you guys. So you were saying you've been to Bastrop once before, a couple times, because Richard- Many times out here to Richard Leigh Clitter's place.

But never to downtown Bastrop. Proper. Well, welcome. Thank you. Considering this is a bookstore, I thought I would ask you, can you think of some books that have been formative in your life

that shaped you or shaped the writing of this book? I think I've talked to you about it before. One book that I'm still reading, haven't finished, but keep going back to is Emerson's essays, especially the one on self-reliance. Slow reader, because I read like something like that or philosophy and I can get two lines and I have to shut the book on it because I got to go, I got to walk. I got to walk for a week and try to test that out and see if what life's giving back, if I lived through that lens. But more than I think writing,

the book that found me was Og Mandino's The Greatest Salesman in the World, that found me at a time, and I've talked about it in green lights when I decided to go from law school to film school. It's one of those magic ones that sometimes we think they find us. And this one did.

And I needed it because I had that ownership that it was mine for a reason. It gave me courage to make a decision to say I want to go to film school, which is the story where my dad said, well, don't half-ass it, instead of telling me like, hell, you are. So that was a very similar book that found me. You know, those are two that were in my, I guess, college years

that I definitely wouldn't be sitting here without. Yeah, it's like there's a Zen saying, when the student is ready, the teacher appears. I think sometimes certain books find us, and maybe we don't even read it all the way through. Sometimes it's just like the title strikes you. But it's something that, it's exactly what you needed at that moment. And then you know that feeling is obviously true because you feel that it was yours.

It was meant to be. There's something divine about that. And to not be something that's different than if someone goes, hey man, read this book. You're like, ah, I'm already kind of, I have trouble reading books that someone goes, hey, please, you, read this book. You're like, ah, I'm already kind of, I have trouble reading books if someone goes, hey, please, you should read this book. But if I find, yes I do.

Just a little contrarian, you just. I don't mean to be. Interesting. But I feel like it didn't find me. I feel like whenever, when there'll be books, like I'll see them a lot in the airport and I go, I'm like, I'm suspicious because it's so popular and then when I read that book I go,, yeah, that's why it's so popular.

Like, I always regret that snootiness or that resistance to like, you can't tell me. You know, well, there's enough that you probably looked at. You're like, that's why I didn't want to read it. I guess sometimes. But I'm surprised. I'm I'm I'm usually pleasantly surprised. Well, that's encouraging. No, but I feel like, yeah, maybe to go to use your thing. Sometimes there's a book's giving you a green light and sometimes there's a red light.

You're like, that's not for me, that's not the right time. And if I read it now, it wouldn't work. But a couple years later... I mean, look, I'm still that way to this day with movie scripts. When someone sends me something, I'm like, I'm going to read this, but promise me, it may be longer till I read it. But you want me to, I have to be in a place where my mind's able to give this the justice it deserves. Because I could read an incredible script, but if I'm not in the right frame of mind, I won't see it. And I've had scripts like

that that I passed on that people on my team go, dude, mud, I passed on a few times. Really? And I had people that very close to me whose opinion I said, like, no, you've got to read this again. And I went back and read it again and was like, oh, I see the Magic Killer Joe. Complete pass. Thought it was horrible.

Thought it was gross. And then my great mentor, Pini Al, was like, it's hilarious. And I was like, funny. How's it funny? She was like, oh, you don't get it? And then I read it with a different meter in mind and I got it and all of a sudden started laughing. I was like, I gotta do the film.

Right, interesting. I remember they sent you a script from one of my books, Conspiracy, they wanted you to play Hulk Hogan. Yes, it was a good script. Yeah. I'm a WWE fan. I got kicked out of Hirsch Coliseum for throwing tomatoes at Scandaur Ackbar and spitting on King Kong Bundy. Hirsch Coliseum is a little coliseum where all the wrestling federation would go in Shreveport. I grew up a big wrestling fan.

That was a good script. I thought so. Yeah, Charles Randolph, who wrote The Big Picture. Where is that? Did they go make it? Currently, Ben Affleck is supposed to play Hulk Hogan. Ben Affleck is supposed to play Hulk Hogan? Yeah, and Gus Van Sant is attached to direct. To direct that? Yeah, but this is seven,

I don't know how you live in this world. I've written seven books since that book was optioned and it's no closer to existing than it was then. And Matt Damon is also attached, I think, to play Nick Denton. I forget who, but it's like as unreal of a package as you could imagine, but still doesn't exist. So it's- That, I would not have put that package together with Gus Van Zandt, and those two have teamed up with Gus Van Zandt many times. Huh.

Yeah. It's a good script. Thank you. I didn't write it, but... It's good. It's good. No, but what struck me about that process, and we've talked about this before,

but I think about it pretty regularly. You told me that your reputation in Hollywood is a quick no long yes. Long yes, quick no long yes long yes quick no long yes what does that mean. I mean pretty much what is I'm going to say if I'm going to say yes, I'm going to I'm going to try and measure from many different angles, I'm a look at the the the cost of the move to

the family, I'm not really I'm not going to choose to do so if I like something I'm not going to say no to it because I don't like the location that's not what I'm saying I just I let myself go through a process of if I like something give myself 2 weeks the first week of I'm not doing it first week is I'm doing it and now let me see how many times I without consciously think that I'm

going to write notes or I'm seeing the life through that lens that being a real part of my future, playing that role. And I'm taking notes on it, and I'm thinking about it, and I'm seeing people do things. I'm like, oh, that's interesting. And it has to do with that role. And then I get my sale for a week to go, you're not doing it. So I wake up in the middle of the night going,

oh, I got, I can't let that go. Right. Sometimes that happened with gold. That was a process I went through with gold. I woke up too the middle of the night going, oh my God, I can't let that go. Right. Sometimes that happened with gold. That was a process I went through with gold. I woke up too many times thinking, if I lose that, I'll regret that the rest of my life. That was a good sign. When I was in the mind frame of I'm not doing it,

they'll let me know you have to do it. So you're only doing something if you can't not do it. Trying to get to that place, yes. And look, there are other things that I've, I'll look at the pedigree around it. Maybe I love the director's work. Maybe I, you know, and I'm like, I'm gonna, this person's gonna elevate this material.

I don't love it yet. I could not, there's a way I could not do it. I can, I'm gonna take a chance and dive in and believe that I can make, feel like this can be magical. And I'll get to a place where I'm like, no one else could have done it but me. I had to do that. Yeah.

I had this experience with the last move my next film going out, Lost Bus, that I did with Paul Greengrass. I called him to pass. We had a Zoom. And he goes, well, if you know Paul Greengrass, very eloquent Englishman. And he went for 40 minutes. And at the end of 40 minutes, I was like,

well, if that's how you want to go about it, I'm in. And we went and made it. And I'm really glad I did. Because we did work and create something that made me feel like I had ownership of it and was the only person that could do it. Because I've heard this rule, and it makes sense to me. It's hell yes or no.

So you're either like all in, it's amazing, you're utterly convinced it's the right thing to do or you don't do it. And I understand that as a good way of judging things. But then a lot of the things that have been life changing or that turned out to be my best work, I was like 51, 50 on and I wasn't sure. And you take that sort of leap or that guess

and then later it becomes obvious, but at the moment it's not always so clear. Yes, a 100% I mean I look I've had many like that some of the work I've done my like but this last job I did my scares I was like it was too easy. I was too relaxed. I went saw the film last week, it's good and I'm very happy with what I did I was like I'm glad you were that relaxed with Camilla and I were like

you're coming home so relaxed. Yeah, something wrong. And I'm like, am I doing enough of the right work? Am I turning over enough stones here? And I believe I did, but you know, and other ones I've grinded, and really broke a sweat daily for months and looked at the work and was like,

eh, you know? And then there's other times where I've grinded and it was like, every bit of your grind is up there and you can see it and it worked. I'm glad you grinded that much. But I do probably have a little fear of ever being lazy. So I tell that story in green lights about taking that role. I get the bright idea that I'm not going to read the scene.

I'm in one scene. I get the idea. I'm not going to read the scene because I'm just one scene I get that I'm not going to read the scene because I'm just going to go there and be my man and do what he would do. Yeah, and he was a drug runner on the Mexican border and the coyotes come and he steals the drugs and kills him and runs off with that's what I'll do. And I get there and I show up. And we're on our marks about just about

to shoot the scene. And evidently, I got a little nervous because I said, can I see the sides, which are the small pages of what the scene's actually written and I look at page one, I flip it, I look at page two, I flip it, I look at page three, I flip it, I look at page four, and it was a four page monologue by my guy in Spanish. And a little bead of sweat went down the back of my neck

and I remember going to no one in particular, can I get 12 minutes? And the reason I said 12 minutes, because one, I didn't want to be rude to the crew and I thought 12 minutes was a short enough time to not be rude to the crew. I also thought that 12 minutes might be just enough time for me to learn four page monologue in Spanish

because I took Spanish my sophomore year in high school and went to Madrid once. I wasn't rude to the crew, but I definitely wanted enough time to learn the Spanish and I remembered never been able to watch it. I spoke some Spanglish and I don't, and I know it could have been very good. And I remember going home that day, pulling over on the side of the road, just beating the heck out of the steering wheel, going never again, embarrass yourself like that. So I always have a little bit of that sort of don't come up short or

over prepare. Don't under prepare. There have been very few times in my life that I have left thinking I over prepared for that. Like it's almost always the opposite. You almost always could have done more going in. Well, if you were talking about it earlier about, you know, you're writing notes for something to talk about in speech, but then maybe you throw them away. You don't look at them at the time. Is that, you know, if you can over-prepare to where you feel like you have to be bestowed to those notes you've taken, and if you don't get all of those out, you didn't live up to what you want to do. That's,

that would be, I think, a form of over-preparing. True. But I've I mean, I think I've learned, hopefully I've learned that to maybe prepare a lot more than one might think is necessary. Yeah. But knowing what to just let go of because it's on the day, kind of trying to let go of all of it. Yeah. And we talked about this, that over preparation to come in and be relaxed when it's game time because you vote because you've over prepared, allows you to call audibles that you didn't prepare for because you were relaxed enough to not have tension and you could take in some moment that happened.

You get a magic moment because you were so prepared and like, I'm ready, bring at me what you want to. So that's what I think my favorite thing about preparation is. To know it well enough to be confident to know that you can do whatever you want. Blindfold me, put me on Neptune, take it off, roll camera, I'll be ready. I'll do what my character would do.

Yeah. You know, wherever, upside down and backwards, I'm ready. You said that this frame of thinking about things as green lights was helpful not just writing the book, but sort of how you live. Since you've done the book, how have you, I can't imagine that you can put away that frame now. You probably see green lights everywhere. How do you think about that?

What's a green light you've seen recently? Oh, cut three this morning, kids up, went going out the door. They're all going to school, same time, said bye Levi, bye Vita, bye Levison Levinson and in unison like a song or this love you love you love you it was 3 they're out the door on site that was music and even Camilla step back and she goes that was like a little song is like you happen just being

being being that was green light. Yeah, we were talking about this earlier and I've spoken about a little bit few times about green lights but when I say that you know every red light or yellow every yellow lights can to read every red lights can turn green. The notion that it doesn't mean necessary tomorrow next week next month or even this life. You're saying what we're going through now are results of what our great great grandfather's decisions they made sure

maybe hardships or sacrifices or red lights, different generations in the past have, we're now reaping a benefit. Yeah. Maybe from. So that's a green light could be in another generation. So I think being able to just, I mean, project that I think scientifically is true that some of the things hardships are going through now that we deem a red light, maybe we don't get that answer and see what was the upside or the asset of that crisis we're having. And maybe we won't and maybe our kids won't.

And maybe their kids won't. But some generation, somebody in particular or some generation will. Yeah, when we say the obstacles away, it's not necessarily a great thing for you. Right. Right. Right. But we learn from the painful trial and error and experiences and pain points that other people many years in the past went through. And there was no real upside for them. The upside is the next generation. The upside is the lesson. The upside is they touched the stove and now we know it's hot. And that was a service of them to us.

Yes. And you can tell yourself that story about what you're going through. It might not have any redemptive qualities for you except that other people can learn to not do that or to do it differently. Especially when you have kids, you can think, well, I can at least tell them about this

and maybe do it differently. Yeah, I was talking to you earlier. Now I've got two teenagers. One of the fun parts about it is I don't have to edit my good stories as much anymore. You know, I can, they can kind of, I can tell them that can keep in the fun details. They can be kind of like, Oh yeah, really? Where I did have to edit them more before and that's one of the funds of parenting a teenager now

with the challenges that come with that. It gets to be more of a, on the journey from father to friend, I'm getting to be more of a big brother to him, which is, I didn't know that was a part of the bridge between father and friend, which I'm finding really enjoyable. What's a red light you're thinking about in your life? A red light or like check engine light or whatever. My mother's my

mom my mom is 92. I realize and it was this was somebody told me this remember buddy these are bonus you're in bonus time. Every time you can spend with her now it's bonus time. And although she doesn't think she's ever going to die, which is why she's 92 and doing so well. It's going to happen. But to realize that it's that it's that it's not take for granted that is bonus time because. It's we she's self-reliant.

She's doing her own thing. She's not asking for more of anything or time or anything, but for as much as we can get her around, through the grandkids, grandkids, we had her with us for four years. So she just moved back on her own about a year and a half ago. But to realize that's bonus time,

that will be a big red light. It will be one. So just the anticipation of that's actually coming soon. As soon as it's ever gonna come. Sure. That she's in that part of the fourth quarter no matter how much modern medicine does or how fortunate she is, it's bonus time.

Yeah, and I think most people are removed from that. Not many people know a 92 year old-old, let alone live with one. So we kind of have set up society to push away the unpleasantness of that idea, which is nice, but it also removes you from the wisdom and the perspective and the urgency that comes with being exposed to that. Yeah. that comes with being exposed to that. Yeah, we were talking about that term, obedient to death or until death earlier. I mean, look, that she can be around,

it's good for her, I'm sitting there and look that my kids, her grandkids see that we're taking care of my mom. And if it comes a day, it's gonna be a very normal thing for them to take care of us, because they saw it through us too. They're a mom, I'm going, oh, there's a bunch of beautiful little assets of this.

Yeah, I mean, I asked her, I said, what do you think your secret of livelihood and being healthy for this long alive? And she's like, I truly cannot imagine not being here. And it's a bit of that, Dan Buettner found this out with those Centurions. He was like, people that live longer aren't trying not, they're not trying to live longer,

they're forgetting to die. There's something, there's like amnesty in that. There's almost like, ah, well, that's relaxing. You know? And then it's easier than we think sometimes because we don't, well, we don't like to. We even in religion, we talk about, can't wait to get there, but boy, we don't want it.

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But I remember I asked him one time, you know, what's the secret? And he was like, do you just take it day by day? And he was like, at my age, you take it day by night. He's like, I just trying to live through that. Okay. Okay. Okay. I wake up in the morning just radically shrink the time span. But I think that's the point. There's not a goal. They're not trying to live to a certain point. They're just kind of in it. And sometimes that's the dice you

roll. And sometimes you roll very different dice. And I found that, you know, she lives in a retirement community out in Del web. But they are so unsentimental about death. Because they're surrounded by it. Every few months you show up and go, what happened to Bob? Oh, he moved on, he passed away.

And they're just back to playing Marjan. Yeah. Right. And it's just like, yeah, that's about time, you know? Yeah. No, my grandmother is 94 and she was telling me a story about my grandfather who died when he was 80 or, I guess 90. She was telling me at his retirement community, they all sit at dinner and there was this

guy and he kept talking about his health. So they asked him to not come to their table anymore. And I was like, oh, that's harsh. And she was like, they just didn't know how many times they'd have at the table and they didn't want this guy. So you get better at having uncomfortable conversations. Oh, I don't even think they're uncomfortable anymore. Yeah, right, because you don't have time.

Yeah, and it hurt their feelings, so what? Yeah, exactly. They voted him off the island because they... And don't have one sense of regret. I said this to her. I asked my mom one time because she started, we caught her in a big lie. Another one.

I'll tell you the story. Please. My brother Pat, this is after my father passed away. My mom had been dating this guy Jack. And they've been dating for a few months. We'd gotten pretty serious, six months or so. Brother Pat's coming in golf. He's heading off on the first tee.

This group of four men on the 18th tee or ninth tee were coming back in the fairway on the other side of the creek. And they start yelling over, hey, Pat, congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations. Pat's like, what? They call him over the creek, and they go, congratulations. He goes, on what?

He goes, your mom and Jack getting married. And Pat's like, my mom and Jack ain't get married, man. They didn't get married. He comes to me and tells me, we go like, what mom do? Mom, do we go in the kitchen? She's in there cooking. We're like, mom, what'd you do? He's like, what are you talking about?

No, we heard these guys came up, tells her the story. The guys yell over, and she goes, oh that. What'd you do, mom? Well, so the club dues are $400 a month if you're just a couple, but they're only 250 if you're married. So we told them we were married because we were gonna save $150 a month.

They went, golly. Anyway, mom would pull up these lies like this. We'd bust her. And I was sitting there and go, mom, mom, one day telling her, mom, you taught us not to lie and you taught us to do these things. But now you do these things. I mean, do you have anything that you regret? Anything at the end of the day that you sit there and go, oh, I could have done that

better. She goes, oh, honey, I do. I have a long list, mentally, that I make every night before I go to bed of things that I would change or things that would do better or things I'm sorry for, things that I regret. I was like, ah, okay. She goes, but the thing is, honey,

when I wake up, I forgot them all. So forgiving yourself quickly seems to be another secret. So, forgiving yourself quickly seems to be another secret. Yeah. She has, I will say this, she has a book, maybe you should have it in there, that she wrote long before mine. Really? Titled, I Amaze Myself by Kamala Harris. She'd love to come sit over here and talk to you about it.

Anything else you want to tell people about and then we can get to questions? I will go questions. So quick question about the game this Saturday. Yes. Prediction. What's your prediction for the outcome? The prediction for the outcome this weekend? Yes. Twenty seven, twenty one, Texas. I think we go beat them.

We've we've they came and hit us in the mouth pretty good. They did. Second half, we dominated. First half, different story. Yeah, we just got to look. We can't try and give it away. We tried to give it away to A&M last week at the end. That's right.

That was my next question. So second half adjustments, what should we have done different? Besides the interception and the fumble. Well, look, you got special teams. You got a pump block. You've got an interception pick six, tip ball, it's Quinton, a few of those. You've got a fumble on it.

I mean, that's just a little tighter understanding of where you are, what the score is, and don't have a negative play, and don't turn the ball over. And sometimes you just get three, and all of a sudden you're up 20 to nothing instead of 14 at that point. I mean, but that's not gonna, that's I mean, we if you looked at the game and look at the numbers,

we won that game 28 to nothing, you know, but we kept them we kept them close. So we play a cleaner game against Georgia. I think we can beat them. Yeah. Hi. Yes. Okay. This isn't football. So I'm sorry. No. So I try to ask this of everyone that I know who creates. So when you sat down to write the book or when you're working on script analysis or anything like that, there's going to be days you don't want to. And Ryan, I think I've asked you this too. What are your tricks to beating resistance? Tricks to beating resistance? I mean, look, it seems to be an art that's independent and individual for each one of us.

A lot of times I lean in and sweat through it and bulldog through it. Now that I've gotten older and trust my work ethic and trust that I'm not a lazy man, I'll give myself a little more leniency to go, no, you're not feeling it. Fine. And if I give myself that freedom, I will naturally do double time the next day. And go yeah, and so you know, I was telling you about the book I'm working on now. It was working really hard and grinding on some academia and

some reason and some logic. And all of a sudden I'm like, man, this is really hard. I'm going to, what am I naturally writing when I'm off hours? I'm writing rhymes, poems, and prayers. Well, okay, let's back off and give yourself that. If that's what's naturally flowing and trust that if we write, finish that other book, that idea, it'll still be there. Or a new one will take you at me over.

And, and you know, like anything it's a you know when you can't not not do something when I was writing green lights. Once I got far enough in it it was writing itself I couldn't. That didn't have to give myself hours what I had to do is remind myself to eat to drink water and get a little bit of sleep because I had the fever of writing I couldn't get enough. And I go away for 17 days each 17 day trip at the end of 17 days, I had lost nine pounds and wasn't exercising. I was just staying up all night writing. I was like, okay, you

went far enough. Let's go get some rest and nourish ourselves. But I got the fever and I was averaging 17 hours a day. And so, yeah. Hi. To that point, was there something you wrote that didn't end up in the book or something that was really hard to relive, to rewrite? There was a few things that, and I'll try and say this the right way with some of the age group, there's a few things in the beginning, like I said, I have, I have this, this happened to me, but, but, that I purposefully made it one line and said there's a great story there,

but I'm not writing that story because that'll be the headline. I'm not writing that story because someone will put that line in bold print and that is not what this book is about. So I personally held back on some certain thing and they're really good stories. But I knew being in my position being a celebrity that would have been a headline and it would have been the lead for a

lot of the conversations and I would have gotten tired of going, uh-uh, that's not what the book's about. You didn't got to get past that point. That would have been it was to page six news. And so there were things I was conscious of, I was like, don't give them that. Even though it's a great story, hold that one back because you don't want anyone leading with that

and that is what they'll lead with. I was gonna ask you about that because there's something, I saw you on The View and they tried to ask you a question and you could tell that what they were trying to get was a sound bite that would either, that would preemptively end the prospects of a political career before it started.

That restraint, that ability to think, hey, instead of going off the cuff here, I'm gonna dodge this trap, which it was, which so often that's what people are after. They want a sort of a gotcha thing or, you know, in sports. Like the reason people trash talk is they want you to overreact and get in trouble. But there's something I think stoic about going, hey, I see what you're trying to do here.

I'm not mad about it, but I'm not going to fall for it either. Well, I've done it long enough to not be mad about it. Again, not to think it's unbelievable. I can't believe you asked a question. I'm always like, are there any questions off limits? I'm like, no, ask whatever you want. I understand now I have the right to go none of your business to any question. And to trust that pregnant pause though, when someone asks you a question, and I didn't even do it in that view, I did retort, I made up for it

and recontextualized my position. But what's really cool is you just sit there in a straight face and go. And let them get uncomfortable in the silence and let someone else bring up. And, uh, by the way, and then just go, he just, he just stared at me. He wasn't, he wasn't, he wasn't angry. He just breathed. He just sat there and like, but you get the silence, we all get a little uncomfortable in the silence. So you want to fill it.

And I even, I did fill it, you know? But what would have really been cool, which I've done a few times, is just sit there and go. When we live in a world now, social media, where people aren't even asking you to weigh in, people are just unsolicitedly stepping in it, you know? Like, we just wake up and go, what's my hot take on this culture war issue

that no one asked you about? And then eight years later, you're in trouble for it or regret it or what? There's very few things that I have said while I'm upset that I'm like later. I'm so glad I weighed in on that. Well, there's also today with social media, you are, if somebody speaks up on something and takes an opinion on one side in a cultural war or something or political. If the tribe that you're around, I'll jump on that bandwagon and you do not comment.

Your silence means you believe the other or you disagree. And that's largely too far. And so then you get people, you know, right, tweeting stuff that you're like, I too condemn this. You're like, well, duh. Who doesn't? Yeah. You know what I mean?

Did you need to con? Did you did you did you need to say that? Because maybe we all thought you did think it was OK before. It's good. Right. And so you kind of jumping into that that game. And I've tried to, you know, I tried to refrain from some of these things that you go. There's a lot of context to this point

that needs more than 40 characters. So let's not go online and make a statement when tomorrow or 10 years from now or even longer, you're gonna find out there was more of the story than you knew. So my question was kind of hijacked by you Ryan. Sorry. That's okay. I was gonna ask what your secret was to do dealing with difficult people but I think you've already answered it. Dealing with difficult people? Yeah. Like how do you not let people get under your skin?

Oh okay. Let's kind of touch it but um the first thing is I mean I write about in green lights dumbest word in the dictionary unbelievable. Just quit being touched it, but the first thing is, I mean, I write about it in Green Life, dumbest word in the dictionary, unbelievable. Just quit being so like, I can't believe they did that. Yeah, they did it. They do it all the time. So just when somebody does something that makes you go, just not being, it's like, oh of course you did. It happens all the time. People are trying it all. So to not be surprised at all when that happens, I think is the first thing.

And it makes it much less difficult. It's just not difficult if you don't let it be difficult. You measure. Because I want to sit there and believe. I want to give more trust in a conversation, even with a stranger. I want to. But I want to be wise to understand

that this conversation is not just between you and me right now, right? And it's right here and it's going wherever, whoever's recording it. It's like be conscious of those things. And you know, you see people, look, some of them are very good at baiting, but I've gotten pretty well seasoned

in knowing just as I'm mid-sentence, oh if I finish this the way I want to finish it that's going to be bold print so I'm going to keep talking and make sure I don't stop at the sentencing period at the end so I can fill this out so they can't edit this down and now I've made context and saved my backside okay you know and so to be apparent be to understand or aware that when speak sometimes hits me in the middle of a sentence and I can tell, ooh, that's gonna be in bold print. Or I'll finish and I'll go,

so you wanna go on the record, please don't print that unless you print what I'm about to say now, which is the other side of that story, which I do back both together. But that alone, please don't burn me on that. And the press has been pretty good with me so far with that. on that and the press has been pretty good with me so far with that.

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how do we know you're not writing about ancient philosophy to make money? Which I thought was a funny question and I said, if you're shameless enough, you could sell anything to make money. And then I paused and I said, but why would I choose an obscure school of ancient philosophy if that's what I was after?

I was like, there's better things. I was like, there's cryptocurrencies and drugs and there's other things you can do. But of course, only the first part of the quote is there. And so really thinking about, I like your idea of just, I'm not gonna pause to allow this sentence to come to a clue. Don't give me the edit point. Don't give me the edit point. Don't give me the edit point.

Yes, exactly. And then you will see many times, I'll see things that are printed and I'll go, no, no, no, watch the video. Yeah. Because you didn't get my jest or my context or that I was or that I led with, that's actually what I heard from someone else

or you didn't get the setup of the joke wasn't there. Yes. You know, somebody watched the video, you can usually see, oh, I see where they're at. Or they weren't finished with their sentence. Sure. To go to your point about difficult people,

actually, the Marx realist quote about how the obstacle is the way, he's not talking about natural disasters or storms or traffic. Actually, there's some ellipses in that quote. He's talking about difficult people. And he's saying that at the very least, difficult people are an opportunity for you to practice being a good person.

Or to practice restraint, or to practice forgiveness, or to practice any number of the opportunities that they present you with their obnoxiousness or difficulty or rudeness. And oftentimes they're there to remind us of how we don't want to be yes Totally all right. Yeah How do you navigate moments where you don't live up to being your best self? I?

Don't think of it. I don't think I've ever lived up to be in my best self. I'm consistently underwhelmed but Don't pause there there I am I am I got a philosophy I'm called over oversight and I think I try to oversee myself I try to oversee others I try to oversee projects I do art I make that I have I've never made one movie that turned out as good as I had in my mind it could be. And I've made a bunch of great movies. And I made it, and the ones that came in underwhelming,

most of them I don't think I could have done a better job if I was directing it. That's not what I'm saying. They never reached the divinity of, in my mind, what it could be. That it could become a verb, a living form, a living thing that was just unanimous. I'm always going for that.

I'm always going for perfection, but I'm what I'm what I'm what I'm trying to do and get good at is when it does the relative does become inevitable OK we put in our cards we've declared we've called rap there's nothing else we can do about it now look at the scoreboard now look at the piece of art and go how do we do. We went for the A plus. Damn it, we made a B. Well, you know what? If we were going for a B, we probably would have made a C. Or getting the most out of other people. If I'm giving more respect and trust and I get burned, I guarantee I got more out of them by expecting and hoping

they would live up to my highest expectations. But then how quickly can we become OK with reality when it's underwhelming? Because I think it's always underwhelming. Because I have the highest bar that I've never reached, and I don't think I will ever reach it. And I don't think anyone else will ever reach it. So if I don't shake hands with the underwhelming reality,

it's how relationships break up. I mean, it's how marriages break up. If you think your wife's gotta be Wonder Woman and she thinks you're Superman, you're both gonna come up short. But if you're okay with, well, come up short, that's better than if I thought you were just like, you know, okay, you know?

And it's shaking hands, I think, with that reality that in going, I believe I got more out of reality because I went for something maybe more divine, and then being okay that reality's underwhelming, but it was better than it would have been if I wouldn't have gone for divine. There's a line from Epictetus where he says you know we

can't be perfect but we can be someone aspiring to perfection. Right. So you can be aiming at some goal and simultaneously be pretty sure you're not gonna hit it. Right. And not too hard on yourself for not hitting. Right. And then the you don't dwell on you just it's a loop you're starting you're you're doing it over and over and over and over again trying to get better each time. I hope so. Yeah. Yeah. Hi. I have kind of a fun question I hope. Yes. So recently your chicken salad recipe went viral. The tuna salad. Yes. Yes. And I have a clarifying question. Yes. Did did you mean jalapeno chips or pickled jalapeno slices? No, the jalapeno chips,

but not the dry ones in the bag. They come in a jar and they're in jalapeno oil and they're crispy. So some people thought they were in a bag like jalapeno chips. Like potato chips. No. No, no, no, not those. Do you have a brand preference?

There's only a couple of brands. It's kind of an obscure little thing that I think is gonna to really be a good thing to invest in right now, maybe. Yeah, maybe. Will you give us the recipe again just so people know? What is it? Yeah, well, it changes every time.

That's why it's, you know, I'm reading this one. Someone goes, Camilla goes, it says here you said you were the master of tuna salad. And I started laughing. I was like, yeah, I did say that. I said, I'm going. Yeah, I did say that. I said I'm going to stick with that one and what a funny thing to say you're the master of Magana. Again, the tuna ones you have to have you have got to have your vinegar you got to have your lemon but then you got to have

your mayo and make some wasabi with that mayo is a trick that some people say they didn't know about the wasabi. Some really good Italian dressing from one place that I go to. You get that base and lightly salt that, but don't over salt it because we're gonna be adding chopped olives, we're gonna be adding chopped gherkins. We're gonna add some other things, we're gonna have salt, hearts of palm have some salt.

So know it's gonna get a little saltier as you add more things. We're gonna do our red onion, we're gonna come in after you get that bite from the jalapenos and the wasabi, we're gonna come in with a little agave just to balance it sweet and soft and our apples at the end and you want to do the apples at the end and don't cut him in too small slices because they'll

just fade away and you want that little they're big enough slices they'll come out in that crispy little bite. Then a little additive that I just put out last night make it a little a tad too wet and then go get your favorite chips crunch your mom drizzling and the chips soak up some of that moisture put it in the fridge don't touch it till overnight like most good dishes they all get better overnight because it coagulates and comes together and then oh yeah those those peas at the end

don't go too heavy on the peas you You can overpea it. The frozen peas, frozen peas. Is this gonna be in the new book as one of the recipes? And corn nibblets, I'm forgetting. There's other things too that I'm gonna, oh yes. Okay. Thank you. Critical stuff, great question. Critical.

I know, right? Hi. Hi. So first of all, I wanna say thank you for being here. My pleasure. My husband is such a huge fan of your motivational speeches, so I appreciate that as well. My question is, you know, you've been in education for some time now. How has that transitioned from public figure to educator? Well, the education, I've started a couple

classes at University of Texas and they were all based on my own life experiences of making films. And the class I did was script to screen. What I noticed 15 years ago is that every movie I made, the final picture that you all have seen, was very different than the original script. Well, what's the journey that original script took to get there? When I was in film school at University of Texas,

I thought that every word in that script needed to be shot word for word and exactly like that. And I didn't leave myself room, I didn't leave myself open to be turned on or find some magic or let somebody do an original performance that inspired me. I didn't want to open to that. So I made some short films that were like,

okay, it's a student film. It didn't come, it had no life to it. And so I wanted to take sort of the mystique off of that for film students and say, we're gonna take you through a journey of a lot of films I've done and show you. You're gonna read the original script, you're gonna talk about what you think the movie is.

We're gonna show you the rewrite, you're gonna talk about what got cut and what got added. We're gonna show you the shooting script, and then we're gonna show you the final film, and that's gonna be very different than the shooting script. And we're gonna discuss the changes each time. And so just to loosen up the artist's instrument, the filmmaker's instrument to go,

yeah, the script is there, but it's a blueprint if I'm inspired in a different way. You can get, you know, there are movies, my first film, three scenes turned into three weeks work. There's other performances out there where they were maybe the main character and got completely cut out. You don't know how it's gonna happen,

how it's gonna get to the end product. So I was teaching from my own experience, and I have one for advertising as well that we're doing now. I had to get the confidence to feel like I had. It took me a while to get the confidence that I had enough experience to go actually teach something to young men and women in class. Because we were talking about this earlier.

I'm saying things that I thought they all knew, and they're like going, whoa, and I'm like, whoa? Like, we didn't know that. I was like, oh, sorry, I took that for granted. I've known that for so many years from experience. I'll share this stuff that I think's obvious, that you're going, don't skip that part. We never knew that.

So it took me a while to get the, a couple years to get the confidence to go, I have learned some knowledge and We never knew that. So it took me a while to get a couple years to get the confidence to go, I have learned some knowledge and had some experience that's worth sharing. I think I'm the last in line. First thing I want to say is of course, hook them. So, you know, kind of read the preface of your book and everything. Green lights obviously are easy. Yellow lights sometimes you just got to put the hammer down to get through them. Red lights. Can you give an example of when knowing traffic is bad?

Terrible idea that you've actually had to run those red lights. Can you give an example of one time you just like I gotta gotta pull the trigger? I've run a few red lights. I broke out of a couple hospitals and said I'm gonna I'm gonna see how my own medicine works instead of this. Tripped myself running downhill so I could get a bloody nose and face plant it on purpose.

I've self-destructed like that before. I mean, look, some of them you out-endure and that's how you kinda run it. It's red and it may even turn green and you're still sitting there and they're honking behind you going no I'm sitting here. I don't deserve, I haven't earned the right to move. You can go around me if you want.

I'm going through this hell, I'm not out yet. Sometimes that's a way to get to a green. Look that the yellow light is more like life. That's the choice, right? You can either blow that SOB and not give the crisis credit or you can slow down because you go, yep, I need a pause. I got to take some inventory. I need to stop and deal with this right now. And I don't want to. I think some of us in different times in our life, we stop it. We slow down at too many yellow lights because we like that feeling almost of having a red light.

We're looking for a false drama. We want to create some kind of problem. We almost feel misery loves company for it. A lot of us run too many red yellow lights. And if you run in every yellow light, you're all catching greens. What happens if life's nothing but greens? You're getting dizzy and you're running out of gas. Eventually, you have to pull over on the side of the road because you

didn't stop to refill. One of the tricky things is sometimes our biggest successes in life come from when we didn't take the no. Like we didn't listen to the no. We didn't listen to the people say it was a bad idea, that it would never work, you couldn't do it. Right? So we ran it. We pushed through yellow light. We ran through a red light or whatever. And you can learn a dangerous lesson from that, which is never stop at red lights, right? Or run every yellow light and then sometimes, you know, the red light's there for a reason. If you're running every yellow light,

you will eventually get dizzy or an accident. You will, I mean. Yeah, you'll get side swung. We got seasons, what's, I mean, look at this, it's just on a creature level. Here comes winter. It's time for a hibernation. It's time to, you know, stay local a little bit more. We're not out singing a song in the summer free in the breeze. I mean, there's we were talking about what is it when my dad died, it was a major red light. But I wasn't being a delusional, I'm not delusional optimistic

when I was realized very soon, oh, I'm scared I don't have the crutch to have my back like I always had before. And all those things he taught me that I've just been acting like, because I knew I could just get away with acting like it, being the man that he was trying to teach me to be. Now I have to be it. I got to have the courage to be it. So I grew up his passing away. I don't think,

I think I would have kept putting it off for another year, two, five, 10 years. I would have put things off before having the courage to go, man, I'm a kind of, hey, quit acting like one and be one major red light. But what I got a gift from it. That gift that I got and seeing it as a green light doesn't mean I don't have any empathy or doesn't mean I don't have sympathy for moving on or that wasn't painful.

It was. But there sure did have some green light assets in it that it gave me. And that's very different than saying the glass half full. No, the damn glass is half empty too. And that's maybe what I mean by saying earlier, admit these things, admit people will be difficult, admit people will be you know what.

Don't be surprised by it. No, it's half empty. Life can suck, it's hard, painful. For me and a lot of people, I think we don't admit that part. When it's going good, we go, ah, that's how it is. If I can bottle that, that's just how it stays. No, it doesn't.

It just doesn't. So when we go into the debit, when life gets hard, just going, yep, this is part of the same adventure I've been on. And I think admitting that helps us deal with it better, deal with those red lights, and saying, this is just part of life, instead of denying or going, no, this is unfair. Know that why has this happened to me?

So I think admitting those things helps us get past the red lights a lot. Admitting that they're necessary, instead of the self-loathing of this is really unfair. No, it's very fair. It's kind of rules of the game, actually. I think we've got time for one more question. So for the last question, on the topic of, I think,

having that radical honesty about when you're hitting those yellow lights and red lights in life, I definitely relate to that and feel like I've had a yellow light of the soul kind of telling me that I need to go back to creating art. And kind of piggybacking off the question that was asked earlier about film school, I know you came up through film school

and now you're back teaching again, as you just discussed, and I'm curious how important you think film school is in pursuing a career in writing and in film. And now that you've had all this life experience, is that how you would encourage someone to restart their life if they want to make a big switch? Like to go back to school? Yeah.

Probably not. I mean, I'm trying, what I think our education system needs and what I specifically college communications, films, journalism, advertising is more experiential learning. I went to film school. I made my A's. Kiddos, I'm going to say this, but I did learn a lot more when I started getting work outside

of school and made C's in class because I got the experiential learning. I read the books, the history of narrative. Two years of that didn't teach me as much as three weeks on the set with Richard Link later. On the movie, if on the film, Day's Confused, I got to see the prior, I got to see it happen. I got to be around everyone so as quickly as you can get internships or go get experiential knowledge

and go get in around some creators and be doing and fail and do it poorly and try it again. It's easier and cheaper now to tell stories and put moving pictures than it's ever been. I think more people, just like I was at the journalism class last, I forget when it was, a few months ago. And there was a protest on campus and I was like, what are y'all doing in class? Go, well you should be down there covering that. That's going to be so much better than whatever this class could have been about today. So I don't know if it's about going back to school unless that's something that's going

to give you the structure, which is going to be that's on my schedule and that's when I go concentrate on storytelling and I'll be around some other people. I mean, but I just, big proponent of the more experiential learning you can have now and you have the tools now, it's so easy, so much easier to do it now than it ever was with these mobile device or what have you. And there's a story in every one of our bedrooms before we get out of bed in the morning.

There's a story right there from our point of view when we wake up with our eyes. There's an original story in our bedroom. And there's another one in the kitchen and there's another one across the street. There's another one in the backyard. So there's another one across the street. There's another one in the backyard. So they're all around us. Start start shooting them.

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