The Daily Stoic - Rage, Rage Against the Dying of the Light | Reject Tantalizing Gifts

Episode Date: April 12, 2024

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Starting point is 00:02:10 So today, we'll give you a quick meditation from the Stoics with some analysis from me, and then we'll send you out into the world to turn these words into works. Rage, rage against the dying of the light. On this day in history more than 20 centuries ago, Cato the Younger died. In one sense, you might say that he died willingly as he chose to die by his own hand rather than live under Julius Caesar's tyranny. But certainly no one who ever met Cato nor anyone who reads of his death could see anything
Starting point is 00:02:57 resigned about the man. When Cato grabbed his sword and said, now I am my own master and then plunged it into his chest, that should have been the end of it. Cato grabbed his sword and said, now I am my own master, and then plunged it into his chest that should have been the end of it. Reeling from the blow, Cato fell from the bench he had been leaning on and then passed out. The wound should have been mortal, but even Roman steel could not kill Rome's iron man. Cato passed out and was discovered by his sons, who rushed in a doctor to save him.
Starting point is 00:03:25 As they finished stitching him up, Kato awoke and began to tear the wound apart. That was how he died, literally disemboweling himself with his own hands. The point of this story is not to glorify suicide. Not at all. In fact, Cato's story shows a man who clung to life with almost superhuman tenacity. Cato had always, but especially in his death, embodied that beautiful line in the Dylan Thomas poem. He raged, raged against the dying of the light, even in old age. He did not go quietly into that good night, not when Caesar had wanted him to roll over, and now not when death was here. No, Cato was such
Starting point is 00:04:12 a fighter, had such life force, that even suicide had trouble taking him. For Cato, it was a choice between becoming Caesar's slave and a propaganda tool and death. He refused to betray the public for which he had lived, even if it meant the loss of his life. But it should be noted that he fought like hell for years before it came to that, and even dying did not come easily. Death wins over all of us, that is inevitable, Dylan Thomas knew that. He just thought we should fight hard while we still could, as Cato did, proving, as Plutarch said of him, that even if we can't beat fate, we can nevertheless give fortune a hard contest.
Starting point is 00:05:07 Hey, it's Ryan Holiday. Welcome to another episode of the Daily Stoke Podcast. Today's entry, that's April 12th, Reject Tantalizing Gifts comes from the Daily Stoke Book. And today's quote actually comes from one of Seneca's plays. People don't necessarily see Seneca as a playwright. In fact, James Rom points this out in his fascinating biography of Seneca, that for a big chunk of the last 2000 years,
Starting point is 00:05:35 it was inconceivable to scholars that Seneca the playwright and Seneca the philosopher were the same person. Many different people had the same names. And so they just assumed that the themes were the same person. Many different people had the same names and so they just assumed that the themes and the styles seemed so different that they couldn't possibly be the same. I would argue they thought that the plays were so good that someone couldn't be that great at both things
Starting point is 00:05:59 and what James Rom points out, which stuck with me because I did a version of this in Lives of the Stokes, he said it would be like if Goethe had written Faust and was the right-hand advisor to Napoleon or Frederick the Great or something like that. Anyways, I'm getting ahead of myself. Basically, Seneca wrote some really good plays. And this quote is from Seneca's play, Theestis,
Starting point is 00:06:24 which is a very, very dark play. His atria says, who would reject the flood of fortune's gifts? Fiestes, anyone who has experienced how easily they flow back. And then we described a little bit. Fiestes is one of Seneca's darkest and most disturbing plays.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Even 2000 years later, it remains a classic of the revenge genre. Without spoiling it, the quote comes from the scene in which Atreus is attempting to lure his hated brother, Theistes, into a cruel trap by offering him tempting and generous gifts. At first, Theistes declines to the complete bafflement of his enemy.
Starting point is 00:07:03 The point is, we are typically surprised when someone turns down an expensive gift or a position of honor or success. General William T. Sherman emphatically rejected offers to run for president of the United States. And at one point, I will not accept if nominated and I will not serve if elected. If his friend Ulysses S. Grant had made
Starting point is 00:07:23 such a Sherman-esque statement, as such rejections are now known, Grant certainly would have preserved his own legacy from the disastrous turns of events that it suffered. Despite his initial misgivings though in the play, Theistes is ultimately tempted and persuaded to accept fortune's gifts, which turned out to be a ruse, hiding, devastating tragedy. Not every opportunity is fraught with danger, but the play was intended to remind us that our attraction towards what is new and shiny can lead us
Starting point is 00:07:55 into serious trouble. Now look, I wrote the Daily Stoic eight plus years ago, and I have studied and read a lot more about Ulysses S. Grant and my opinion of him has evolved and changed. I've always admired him. I saw his presidency as more flawed than I now see it. I see it more as heroic and up against an implacable enemy, which was the unreconstructed South. And I see that he did actually a lot of good. And I think a lot of his reputation is more,
Starting point is 00:08:26 the negative parts of his reputation, although there were many corruption scandals, although he was not personally implicated. I see his negative reputation in that regard being undeserved and actually his time in office being quite heroic. In fact, maybe he was the only person who could have done it. That being said, Seneca himself much more embodies this idea. Seneca gets power and access
Starting point is 00:08:49 and all sorts of wonderful things from Nero. They come at a very, very high cost and he would have known later, and I think this is what he's writing about, that there's no such thing as a free lunch, that none of these gifts came without strings and that he should have been much more skeptical or preserved when Nero's mom came calling.
Starting point is 00:09:18 And then when Nero showered gifts and reputation and fame and access upon him because it did ultimately haunt him and he ultimately cost him his life. So I guess what I have always taken this to mean is that I think about this in my own career, right? Everyone wants to be more successful, more well-known, get to the next level.
Starting point is 00:09:41 But do you actually, there is some sort of Goldilocks principle at play where you're just the right amount of the things, right? You're at the preferred and different stage, right? Where if you could choose, you'd have more, but you wouldn't want too much more. And you know, sometimes I think about that. I've watched my friends whose books have sold many, many more copies than mine, and they don't have anything that I want, but don't have. And they do have some things that I don't want.
Starting point is 00:10:14 And it's interesting when we hear about people complain about being famous or their lack of privacy or the stress or whatever, and you sort of go, oh, they don't know what they're talking about or oh, these are champagne problems. But you don't actually think about the costs of these gifts. And I think that's really important when you're jealous, when you're envious,
Starting point is 00:10:37 when you're comparing yourself against other people. And then also when people sort of dangle things in front of you, there's a reason they're dangling them in front of you. They want something from it too. They benefit from it too. They know there's a hidden cost to it. And so that is why today's message
Starting point is 00:10:55 is to beware tantalizing gifts. And I hope you enjoyed this little lesson about Seneca and sorry for the interruption. My son Jones came running out, but I thought it was fun. Talk to you soon. Hey, Prime members, you can listen to the daily Stoic early and ad free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen early and ad free with Wondery Plus in Apple podcasts. Your girl Kiki Palmer is out here doing all the things, winning an Emmy, acting, singing,
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