The Daily Stoic - This Is Not What We Fight For
Episode Date: November 5, 2025The Stoics were not passive. They did impressive things. They were impressive people. They were fighters. But you know what? They, like the rest of us, sometimes got carried away, sometimes h...ung on too long, went after the wrong things. 🏛 The 2025 LIVE session of Stoicism 101: Ancient Philosophy For Your Actual Life starts November 10th. Don’t miss your chance to join us! Read on for more about the unique opportunities you get from joining the LIVE course.🎟️ Come see Ryan Holiday LIVE: https://www.dailystoiclive.com/Seattle, WA - December 3, 2025 San Diego, CA - February 5, 2026 Phoenix, AZ - February 27, 2026 📖 Wisdom Takes Work by Ryan Holiday is out NOW! Grab a copy here: https://store.dailystoic.com/pages/wisdom-takes-work👉 Support the podcast and go deeper into Stoicism by subscribing to The Daily Stoic Premium - unlock ad-free listening, early access, and bonus content: https://dailystoic.supercast.com/🎥 Watch the video episodes on The Daily Stoic YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@DailyStoic/videos🎙️ Follow The Daily Stoic Podcast on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dailystoicpodcast✉️ Want Stoic wisdom delivered to your inbox daily? Sign up for the FREE Daily Stoic email at https://dailystoic.com/dailyemail🏛 Get Stoic inspired books, medallions, and prints to remember these lessons at the Daily Stoic Store: https://store.dailystoic.com/📱 Follow us: Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, and FacebookSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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This is not what we fight for.
They didn't give up.
They defied the odds.
They kept going when others were stymied.
They did difficult things.
They sacrificed.
They achieved.
They made their mark.
Contrary to the stereotype, the Stoics were not passive.
They did impressive things.
They were.
were impressive people. They were fighters. But you know what? They, like the rest of us,
sometimes got carried away, sometimes hung on too long, went after the wrong things.
Seneca criticized those thirsty old lawyers and politicians who kept at it, even into old age,
terrified of irrelevance in the quiet life. Yet wasn't it Seneca who stayed too long in Nero's
service? Wasn't it Seneca who traded too much of his dignity to get into and then stay at the
center of things? And Cicero, didn't he do the same? Fighting for relevance and power in a fallen
Rome instead of stepping away at some point swapping public service for personal glory. In Tennyson's
poem about Odysseus, he points out that the man's determination was a double-edged sword. It got him home,
but it made it impossible for him to enjoy being home. Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will,
Tennyson writes, to strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield. It's not supposed to be an
impressive picture, but a tragic one. These traits were not serving Odysseus, but torturing him.
It's good that we are determined. It's good that we fight. It's good that we keep going. But we have
to be sure we know when to stop, that we know what is actually worth prizing. We have to remember
what Seneca himself pointed out but failed to believe, that poverty isn't just
having too little. It is also the insatiable appetite for more, more, more.
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