The Daily Stoic - You Can’t Deny This |10 Stoic Tips For Being A Better Leader

Episode Date: November 14, 2023

Seneca thought he knew Nero. He was confident in his ability to teach or contain or even control him. Other Stoics knew better. Thrasea (whose story we tell in Lives of the Stoics) opposed hi...m from the start. Agrippinus (another fascinating Stoic in Lives) wouldn’t even attend Nero’s parties, because it was clear to him that the man was a tyrant.Surely these men (and women) communicated their concerns to Seneca. Surely people raised questions. But Seneca thought he knew better. He was also paid so handsomely by Nero, was so powerful as a result of his position as Nero’s teacher and advisor, that it became hard for him to see what was there. It was a classic case of that problem outlined by Upton Sinclair many centuries later: It’s very hard to get someone to see something that their salary (or status or identity) depends on them not seeing. ✉️ Sign up for the Daily Stoic email: https://dailystoic.com/dailyemail🏛 Check out the Daily Stoic Store for Stoic inspired products, signed books, and more.📱 Follow us: Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, FacebookSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:02:42 He was also paid so handsomely by Nero was so powerful as a result of his position as Nero's teacher and advisor that it became hard for him to see what was there. It's a classic case of the problem outlined by Upton Sinclair many centuries later. It's very hard to get someone to see something that their salary or status or identity depends on them not seeing. We all have blind spots like this. Some are more forgivable than others. Mark is really sort of the step brother, Lucius Ferris, and recent presidents and their children. The reason we have trouble seeing what is so obvious to everyone isn't just that we're close to these people,
Starting point is 00:03:18 it's that we don't want to admit we're wrong. We don't want to hear what we're being told because it will mean changing our minds, having tough conversations, making painful decisions. Yet even Marcus really should write in meditations that false friends should be avoided at all costs. He spoke of needing to understand the true character of those you're dealing with. And this doesn't mean we have to cut out everyone who isn't perfect from our lives, it doesn't mean we have to betray them, although in Sena
Starting point is 00:03:45 case, Nero did need to be conspired against and eventually Sena did. But it does mean that we can't deny what is obviously true, or that will cause us and others we love even more trouble. It's only delaying me inevitable, only deferring the painful choices and consequences will inevitably face. Ask yourself, who could I be if I was less tied to this thing, less sucked into this thing and more present and focused with what's in front of me?
Starting point is 00:04:17 For thousands of years, leaders have been turning into this secret weapon. They've been reading about it, they've been sharing it, they've been talking about it, they've been turning to this secret weapon. They've been reading about it, they've been sharing it, they've been talking about it, they've been turning to stoic philosophy, to philosophy, to be better leaders. In meditations, Marx really says, no role is so well suited to philosophy
Starting point is 00:04:34 as the one you're in right now. Not every reader is a leader, as very true and famous he said, but all leaders have to be readers. And I would say they have to be familiar with these ideas in stoic philosophy. Dating back, not just to Marcus Aurelius' time, but to the time of Fredrick the Great, time of Admiral James Stockdale, to modern American presidents and sitting senators, head coaches of football teams,
Starting point is 00:04:59 special forces operators, they've all been relying on this formula of these ideas from the ancient stoics to be better at what they do to be better at leading the people they've been put in charge of. I'm Ryan Holiday, I'm a leader and I'm handful of different ways, right? I run my own business and I'm a parent, right? And on this broad spectrum of different tasks and rules that I have in life, I have to lead people and just as a human, I have to lead myself. I turn to stoic philosophy to be better at that. I've written my books now about ancient philosophy.
Starting point is 00:05:29 I've been lucky enough to talk about it to the NBA, the NFL, sitting senators and special forces leaders. And in today's episode, I want to give you some Stoic-based leadership principles, some lessons, some best practices from the Stoics that will make you a better leader. And a lot of this, by the way, comes from the Daily Stoic Leadership Challenge, which you can check out at dailystoic.com slash lead. I'll talk more about that later,
Starting point is 00:05:53 but if you wanna be a better leader, Stoicism can teach you so much, and that's what we go into in the challenge, and what we're gonna talk about in today's video. What's the most important thing to do? Things are changing all the time. In fact, this is the motto of Queen Elizabeth's household in today's video. [♪ music playing in power, Robert Green's amazing book on power, the final law, the 48th law on the law of power, all these laws telling you to do this,
Starting point is 00:06:31 do this, don't do this, do this. The final law is throw that all out and assume a kind of formlessness and flexibility, right? Bruce Leeces B. like water, right? The ability to adjust and adapt, right? Even as you hold something sacred, is this sort of key, expanding discipline. Everything is always in flux,
Starting point is 00:06:52 but there are values that we hold fast to. We create calm within the storm throughout our discipline. We know what to cling to and we know what to let go to. We grab firm hold of our minds and our bodies, while everyone else loses theirs, right? That's why this discipline is so important. So the more stressful things are, the tougher they are, or the more irrationally exuberant and exciting
Starting point is 00:07:15 and fun and lucrative they are, we have the same opportunity to practice discipline, to get firm hold of ourselves, right? To adjust, but also to hold fast. There's that expression, excuse the gender nature of it, but it only works that way if you rhyme. Happy wife, happy life, right? How do you think about leadership and their personal life, applying being a leader at home, applying, having a balanced, happy home so that you're not bringing your garbage to the office and you're not bringing your garbage from the office home. So the first thing is, your job as a leader is to make early fast transitions. By that
Starting point is 00:07:54 is, you play many different roles in many different places. Your job is not to carry the last conversation. So forget about, you know, how happy things are. Your job is not to carry the last conversation to this conversation. If you're going to be entirely attentive to me, it's about our conversation. So even during the work day, you just had a conversation. We just did this conversation. You can't let that influence what's going to happen next by mood, by focus, by lack of focus, whatever else. Your job is to make fast transitions. And so if that means you need to settle yourself and sit out your car for a couple of minutes before you walk in the house so you can now be dead, then that's what you need to do. But your job is not to walk into that house
Starting point is 00:08:32 and carry with you forward anything that came from before. And that's about conversation. It isn't about happy. It isn't about, you know, disappointment. It's about conversation. And because all of those things reside in conversation. So your job is to make transitions fast ones from conversation and conversation I carry. To me, reading is the great, or talking about books, reading is the way to not have to learn everything by trial and error. Right.
Starting point is 00:09:01 But General Mattis has talked about, people have been fighting wars for five or 10,000 years. They've been writing books about it for about five or 10,000 years. And he goes, if you're a leader of troops in battle, he says, it's unconscionable for you to try to learn lessons by experience, because that experience is paid for in the blood of other people, maybe even yourself, when someone else has been in more or less the same situation,
Starting point is 00:09:29 not only learned a lesson, but then wrote a book about it, or someone wrote a book about that experience. And so, advice isn't just a nice to have thing. There's almost something selfish and reckless about not availing yourself of the fact that somebody, I like to say, somebody either smarter than you or much dumber than you has been in the same situation and you should benefit from what either of them did.
Starting point is 00:09:55 Or what both of them did. We think we're good at multitasking of switching back. Oh, I check this, then I'm back. No, the scientists show that there's a residue. It takes us a considerable amount of time to go from one task to the other to be fully locked in on that task. And so the fewer the interruptions, the more distance you have, the more locked in you have
Starting point is 00:10:17 the better your performance is going to be. When you look at your screen time, when it shows you how much time you spent on your phone, ask yourself, what could I have done with that time? Ask yourself, how was that fueling my ego? Who could I be if I was less tied to this thing, less sucked into this thing, and more present and focused with the looks in front of me?
Starting point is 00:10:34 The killer advantage in the information age to go to Mattis' point is uninterrupted focus. How good are you at concentrating? How locked in are you in a world where everyone else is distracted? So, does the failure of the first business and having to sort of start over? Would there any lessons you learned there
Starting point is 00:10:58 that help you in the hysteria crisis? I've got to imagine you were more resilient the second go around. Yeah, I mean, I think just any time you have a crisis, it always helps. And I've had, I was going to say unfortunately, but really fortunately, I've had a lot of crisis that I've been able to get through. And so, yeah, I mean, when we found a pint of ice cream
Starting point is 00:11:17 with the Syria in 2015, March 2015, I mean, it was the call that we didn't want to get, nobody wanted to get, and the bottom dropped out in a big way. So, we really lost everything that we didn't want to get, nobody wanted to get, and the bottom dropped out in a big way. So we really lost everything. We went from a $100 million valuation literally three weeks before to less than zero. And so over the next year, and actually several years, we had to climb back out of that hole back up to where we are now.
Starting point is 00:11:37 We learned a lot. I mean, I think that probably there were some resilience based on, you know, from past experiences. But, you know, really, when that happened, it was like our first thing was preventing outbreak, which we did. And then we looked around and we're like, oh, shit, now we have to, like,
Starting point is 00:11:50 we build our entire company. And so then we just started working on that. But when you get to that place of nothing or you're just at the bottom, you are also kind of given the permission to fight, like, hell. You don't mean to fight in a way that you would never fight in a normal situation. So there is something kind of really the permission to fight like hell. You don't mean to fight in a way that you would never fight in a normal situation, so there is something
Starting point is 00:12:07 kind of really great about it. When you get into crisis, it really concentrates your values, your moral code or whatever. You really like shit, you shed all of your excess and get to the core in a way that you would never do in non-priced times. My all time favorite marks to really stir it comes at the depths of the Antenine plague, ravage Rome.
Starting point is 00:12:29 That's not even the only crisis that happens in his reign. There's a flood, there's a coup, there's an invasion. He's just like besieged on all sides. Rome's treasury is depleted. Things look very bleak. It's not clear even that the empire can continue. And so what does Marcus really do? He leads a two-month
Starting point is 00:12:45 sale of the palace furnishings. He sells his robes and his jewels, his wife sells their furniture. They sell down the palace furnishings to raise money. The idea being that the leader takes the hit first, that the leader eats last as the expression goes, like Marcus could have made this somebody else's problem. He could have denied, there was a problem. He could have kicked the can down the road. Instead, he stepped up and he did the hard thing and he did the hard thing as a bit of demonstrated leadership.
Starting point is 00:13:13 And to me, that's what I love about Stosis. It's an interior philosophy, but it's designed to shape your actions in the real world where the stakes are really high. Marcus really wasn't a philosopher. He was a leader who happened to be a philosopher. People tend to have professional goals. I want to get to this rank, I want to get this about money,
Starting point is 00:13:36 I want to have this kind of life. I think we're less likely, unfortunately, we're less prone to creating goals for our personal life. One of the other interesting parts in Meditations is this, as Marcus says, you're trying to be a better wrestler, but not a better friend. He says not a better fricabre of a fault, not a better friend who type places. And so I think the idea of like, well, what are you working on? Are you working only on your professional development? We've also working on your personal development, and I tend to find that we're working on both
Starting point is 00:14:05 and help each other. I probably already did personal development and helps you professionally, more than professional development transfers over personally. You have an interesting story in the book you're talking about how collectively you and the man and women on the ship go, we're not gonna lose our tempers at all. And you said you were sort of successful and that I'm curious, how does one collectively manage the tempers of hundreds of people
Starting point is 00:14:32 in very close quarters with each other? Number one, you send an example as the leader. And so job one is you don't lose your temper. And I know Albert Schweitzer, I'm no mother of Teresa, I'm like to anybody else, I get frustrated and upset. But I have worked very, very hard over the course of my life, not to allow my emotion to override my judgment. And I have found by observing other senior leaders
Starting point is 00:14:58 who are pruned to losing their temper, shall we say, that it never helps. Yes. It simply injects more chaos into what is already a frustrating situation. For me, you have to, as a leader, you have to try and let time slow down and understand what's happening. And that's in combat and it's in day to day operations. So number one, it's toned and set from the top.
Starting point is 00:15:22 Number two, go to the most senior people on the ship and get their bias. So here you're talking about your number two called an executive officer on a Navy worship, the seconding command, your command master chief, the senior enlisted sailor on the ship and your department heads, typically four or five people who are the next oldest people in the crew. So you get there very specific by end. And you are ruthless about enforcing it as a culture. You call out anybody who verges into that. And then third and finally, you indicate again and again
Starting point is 00:15:56 and again to the sailors that we're not going to blow up. I expect you not to blow up. We're going to figure this out together. And that narrative is very, very important to solving the problem again. I found this works very well in the heat of combat and it works very well in the day-to-day maintenance of the ship.
Starting point is 00:16:20 I think the other key element here for talking about discipline is saying a magic word, very difficult word, right? One of the hardest words, which is no. This is a picture I have between two pictures of my kids in my office. That's Dr. Oliver Sacks in his office. A reminder that whoever is asking them to do something, he's got to say no to that person. I have a little memo from Truman's administration. It's an inter-office memo between him and his secretary. And she's saying, look, you've got all these requests. Should we tell him the president is too busy and I have to say no? And he underlines it and he says the proper response is underlined. The idea is that the president has to say no. You have to say no to a lot of things. Meditations is filled with self-criticism, with pushing himself to be better, calling himself
Starting point is 00:17:06 into account. Again, Marcus Realis is incredibly powerful. People would tell them how amazing he was. They worshipped him as a God. The more successful, the more important, the more beloved you are. The more important it is to have his practice. Other people are going to hold you to account less. It's an opportunity for self-discipline.
Starting point is 00:17:23 It has to be. No one could tell Marcus what he was doing wrong, what he needed to do better. He had to do less. It's an opportunity for self-discipline. It has to be. No one could tell Marcus what he was doing wrong, what he needed to do better. He had to do that. The same is true in this world that we live in, where we have wonderful freedom, where we don't live under a tyrant, where there is no authority monitoring everything we do and say and think. But that doesn't mean we should do whatever we want to say and think or do. We have to hold ourselves accountable. We have to follow that process ourselves. When I wrote The Daily Stoke eight years ago, I had this crazy idea that I would just keep it going. The book was 366 meditations, but I write one more every single day and I give it away for free as an email. I thought maybe a few people would sign up. Couldn't have even comprehended a future in which
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