The Dale Jr. Download - 328 – Jerry Glanville: Still a Badass

Episode Date: February 24, 2021

The one-and-only former NFL head coach and NASCAR racer Jerry Glanville is in studio for an interview that Dale Earnhardt Jr. has been eagerly anticipating.Glanville rose to fame as head coach for the Houston Oilers and Atlanta Falcons in the 80s and 90s, and then turned to NASCAR and broadcasting as he competed across multiple different series. He befriended racing legends along the way, including Dale Earnhardt Sr.His stories are wide open from the gridiron to the race track. Plus, his status as a cultural icon in the 90s landed him in movies and music videos. He tells all about his incredible life and how he balanced his two passions – football and racing.Glanville details what led him to become a football coach and how he quickly rose the ranks to land high-profile NFL coaching gigs. Hear how he became known for turning programs around and his secret to success.The former Falcons head coach is remembered as the man who drafted Brett Favre. Dale Jr. Download co-host Mike Davis brings up Glanville’s Wikipedia page and asks how much is actually true about his time coaching Favre. Learn why he wasn’t sold on the future superstar off the field and how that led him to make a trade.When the name of another high-profile NFL coach that’s in racing is brought up, Glanville shares why he isn’t on good terms with Joe Gibbs and the one playoff game that caused the bad blood.Like Dale Jr., Glanville is a big Elvis fan. He famously left tickets for Elvis at a pre-season game between the Oilers and Patriots. He tells that story and explains why he left the tickets.While most football coaches enjoyed golf in their spare time, Glanville chose the adrenaline rush of racing. Hear how he transitioned from coach to racer and how he landed his first opportunity behind the wheel of a Cup car.As he raced in multiple different series from late models up to Xfinity, Glanville recalls some of the sports biggest names he competed against as they climbed the ranks.Many NASCAR stars stepped up to help Glanville in his racing career. Hear what the Intimidator taught him and what happened in their first race together on track. Glanville also reflects back on lessons from Richard Petty, Dale Jarrett and Bill Elliott.Dale Jr. competed against Glanville early in his career and once threatened to fight Glanville. Find out what happened on track and how Jerry responded.Learn why he’s still racing and coaching football today at nearly 80 years old.Afterwards in Ask Jr., Dale Jr. explains his reasoning behind joining the IndyCar Nashville GP ownership group and what he hopes to learn from the partnership to help NASCAR. Plus, his take on the caution for rain late in Sunday’s Cup race and why NASCAR is doing too much hand holding.Dale Jr. uncovered some NASCAR history recently and shares his findings of an artifact that few have ever seen. You’ll want to hear what details of the sport’s history he discovers and why it has him questioning some of racing’s origins.  Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DirtyMoMedia  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This is a production of Dirty Mo Media. The Dale Jr. Download. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Dale Jr. Download. Another episode. This is 328. Cranking them out. Mike Davis is here.

Mike, good to see you. Good to see you. We have a great guest, a unique guest. We're sticking with the racing theme. Yeah. We do that. Jerry Glamble. He was a coach, though.

You know, coached the Falcons. You remember, I don't know, a lot of people. Yeah. We'll remember Jerry as the coach of the Falcons, but he was also a race car driver. I raced against him. We're going to hear all about that and why he might still be racing. I know, right.

Yeah, it should be a great show. Can't wait to talk to Jerry. Get him in the studio. Let's get started. The man. You said I wouldn't show up. Oh, this is so neat. It's so nice to be here.

I don't know how to do these mics. You're good. We can hear you from more. you're sitting there. I may get mic fright. How about that? I was in the booth, you know, a TV for 15 years. That's incredible. While I was driving. Yeah. Like you must be 150. Well, it was funny. I was at Odessa, Missouri. And the headlines in the paper were Glanville hits 100. And I thought, hell, am I that old? And I read it. And I was the third guy to run at 100 different tracks.

What? It was Kenny Schrader, Richard Petty, and me. No kidding. Because I ran seven series, you hit all the tracks, you know? And so in Odessa, Missouri, I hit 100.

All right. So, I know. Where are you going to go with that one? So I want people to understand. So Jerry Glanville, a lot of people are going to remember you, obviously, as NFL coach. We're going to talk about that.

But you were also a race car driver, and you were more of a race car driver than I think any of us in the room really know, and that's why you're here today, is to help us understand how you ran at 100 different racetracks, how you were running. And you're still driving today? Oh, yeah, we raced this last summer down in Cordill.

They now have these late modified, you're probably aware, where you have crate motors. So you'll die. I drove a Camaro with a Ford motor. I goes, oh, my gosh, if Elliot saw this, he'd fire me. Yeah. Because Elliot, of course, Ernie built my motors. Oh, Ernie Elliott.

Yeah, in Dalsendonville. and if he saw me in a Chevrolet. But now Chase is in the Chevy, so he can't say much. Yeah. So you're 80? Going to be 80. I don't get me too old. It'll be 80 in October.

This show could be canceled when I'm done. He did say that. He goes, the good news, every time he's on a show, it either does great ratings or gets canceled. So he said it's going to be one of the other. So this could be your last show. Don't hold it against me.

I'm not going to hold it against you. Now, one time you walked down and wanted to fight me, do you remember that? I did. Yeah. And what I always did. did when I did something wrong, Bob Fisher was my car chief. And I said, Bob, he goes, Juniors walking down the car. I go, am I wrong or is he wrong? He goes, you were wrong.

I goes, I was wrong. Okay. So then I took a different, you know, mode of operandi. Now, your dad, about 25 years before that, came after me in Atlanta. So I said, deja vu, baby. 25 years before that? We were in Atlanta, and your dad came after me. Your dad ran me off the course. Remember Rocky Dam? Your dad ran me off the course of Rocky and him on lap four. So then we were in Atlanta, the next race. This is Bush. And we're coming out of turn four, and I just put him right down by the infield.

Well, I found out he could run me off the course, but NASCAR didn't want me running him off. I got sent to the penalty box. Oh, my God. We got one dispute at a time that we have to unpack here. Now, why did you and Dale Jr. have a problem? And where were you and when was it? I think it was up in the east. Do you remember the track? Dover.

Dover? Yeah. The track was alive and well. Everybody was racing. I was coming out of the pits. And I had a good Chevrolet, by the way. I had a pretty good car. And I came out.

I thought I had room to come up and get up to the top. And Junior was coming around at the top wide, wide-ass open. Yeah. And I made him get out of the gas. Yeah, we were in qualifying mode. Yeah. I was in practice. Yeah.

So my qualifying last. that I was trying to work. So I was, this was so silly, but I, you know I got Tony Uri Senior as my crew chief and Jerry, you probably remember the Uri's hot tempered, probably. And so I'm getting my butt chewed. I'm thinking, you know what, I'm going to, I've gotten my ass chewed for pulling out in front of somebody. And so I was going to go down there and tell Jerry that he messed up.

And I went down there and said, well, leaned in in his car, said whatever I said. Jerry was like, I get it, I get it, I messed up, my bad. What do he say? He said, if you ever do that again, I'm going to knock you into the fence. I don't know that. Something like that. And I just said, I just says, I talked to my crew, my bad, my fault. I walked away going, man, I can't believe I just said that to Jerry.

I did. It's funny, I told your dad, your dad came after one time. I said, if you want to back up and let me out of the car, I fight better than I drive. He goes, the hell with you, and he walked away. Your dad's giving one of those, you know. Your dad and I were, we had an unusual relationship. Really? It was unbelievable.

He did things for me that nobody in racing even would know he did, including we went to buy a race team together. Derek Cope drove a Pontiac and won the Daytona 500. I think the team was called First One. Anybody remember that? Well, First One was for sale. So when I'm practicing with your dad, your dad said, I want us to buy this team, and I'll be the silent partner because it was Pontiac. He goes, it'll be in your name, and you and I will hold a team.

And I said, why do you want the team? He goes, Barry Dotson's the crew chief, and a guy like Malvazi or something like that is building the engines. He goes, we got motors and we got handling, and we'll get up front. And he goes, the only thing I'm going to ask you to do, you got to quit your other job. to drive the car. He goes, everybody tells me you got another job. I don't know what the hell it is, but you've got to quit that other job. Your dad didn't care nothing about football.

Nothing, you know? And he didn't care if I coach football. He goes, quit screwing around with that other job. That's what he'd tell me. So you're talking about this at the year when Derek Cope would have won the 500. That was what, 91? 92. So this was at the problem when you were the Falcons.

It was a year after that. Okay, but you were with the Falcons from 90 to 94. I was the head coach at the Falcons at that time. And your dad had taught me how to drive at Richmond. spent a lot of time together. In fact, drivers, Jimmy Johnson, you probably know, they would all come and say, can you tell me what you learn from senior? And it was the most unbelievable teaching. So he goes, come to Richmond. I'll meet you there. And of course, your daddy was at this is V6 bushcars. I was in a Buick. Well, Buick had the motor in the V6s. Nobody could run with a V6. Where your dad was

so smart, he goes, okay, for the first afternoon, we're going to time you on these two poles in one and two. And all I'm timing is from that pole to that pole, and I'm going to find out if you can drive. He goes, don't worry about a lap time. You love your daddy. Your daddy says, lap time is engine, gear, and getting off the corner. Driving is getting in through these two.

We went to lunch between those two poles. Stop for lunch. Your dad and I only got in it. I'm making you lunch. He makes me a freaking baloney sandwich on stale bread. He should have been probably, he's probably full of poison. We ate it. The second after lunch, we're going in three and four between these two poles. And they'll make a long story. He'd go, let's switch cars. He said, I want to drive this. See why that thing's doing that. So he'd get in my car. I got in his car. You probably said this car.

I almost got nauseous. I was up on the wheel. I thought I was a lazy boy. I was back like, I lost my equilibrium because his car, his seat was back so far. People don't realize he wasn't sitting up. He was laying down. You know what I'm talking about. Is that right? Oh, yeah. Well, he, like his, the door top, you know, his eyes would be right there. Yeah, right there. That's true. Yeah. And that's because he was, and I told him, I says, I can't drive your car. He got me my gold card license. Well, if he was there and NASCAR officials was there, that a gold card in those days, I don't know what it means anymore.

You could drive anything. Whenever you showed up a track, you show that, and you got in it. And, you know, I went on, I drove NHRA, a drag race for seven years, you know, along with the NASCAR. I drove a funny car the whole deal

because I had that car, your dad spent that time with me. So after all this work, him and I did together, my first race against him was in Rockingham, and he took me to the infield in Lab 4. You got to love it. the guy. He wrecked you? He wrecked me in last four. After all that? After all that.

Jesus. Well, I guess there's a price for the gold card. And you just got it. That was it. So, uh, let's step back a little bit. What got you into coaching? Well, it's kind of funny. I always knew I was going to be a football coach. Why? I just, when I was playing, I'd have to go, my head coaches, my coaches say, why'd you get up and go over there? I goes, I know the place going there. How do you know the place? going there. I can see that halfback cheated to the outside about two inches. As you can what? I guess I can

read what's going to happen. And it wasn't something I studied. I didn't go dedicate my life to it. It all came pretty natural. It was like you being a driver, I could just do it. And so I saw it, when I was a sophomore in high school, I told everybody I'd coach

the Detroit Lions. Lo and behold, my first pro job, I was coaching the Detroit Lions. And I went into high school coaching, and you'll love this story. In 1964, I was a high school defensive coach. Are you guys ready? Yeah. Making $4,800.

And 10 years later, I'm the defensive coordinator. It's the Detroit Lions. I mean, that's a fast track. That's moving on, you know. How'd that happen? And I never applied for a job. People would, in those days, unlike today, your resume, was on film.

So they would watch film and say, who is coaching that group? Yeah. Who was doing it? And you'd get a job. I went to Western Kentucky. Everybody had been there, Bowling Green. Coach there.

Well, we were so good. Georgia Tech called me. So I went from Western Kentucky to coach at Georgia Tech. Now, at Georgia Tech, we were so good, the pros came after me. George Allen, the Redskins came after me.

Detroit line, and I never replied for a job. And next thing, you know, I'm in NFL for 35 years coaching and driving at the same time. Yeah. So when you go to a place like Western Kentucky or Georgia Tech or any of those places, how do you, so you're at Western Kentucky one year? Right. So what do you, when you go into a program like that, what's the tricks to turning something good? Well, it's kind of funny. We never lost it. Two years ago, we were in Canada.

We were coaching up in the CFL. Yeah. Went from last the first to one year. Western Kentucky, last place, the first place. George's the trick. Really, the trick for me is I'm not locked into we got to do it this way. I'm locked into what you can do. Let's say you can play man, you can play zone.

I won't put you in man. I won't put you in zone. And I sort of, it's kind of funny this year, a guy at Michigan called me, and said, how can you be number one on third down defense for 25 years? And hardball, he goes, what do you play? I goes, you got to ask me what team I had. I didn't play the same thing at any team. And it was kind of funny.

Your daddy said, you have the ability, Gerard, to have the longest straightaway in racing. And I didn't know what he's talking about. I'm a football coach. And I said, Dale, how the hell do I get the longest straightaway? He goes, I love your first in the gas, whether the car's ready or not. And he picked that up like that. Well, years later, Ernie Elliott was building my motors. And Ernie says, Jerry, you give my motor the longest straight away in racing.

And I looked back, I said, Erdog told me that five years ago. Isn't that amazing? And because I had no patience. So in racing, if I was at Milwaukee on a short track, I'm going through the wall. Because everybody just driving so slow, I have no patience. I'm a football coach, and I finally say, the heck with it, I'm passing. And I jump out of the groove, and the next thing, I hit the wall up there about four years in a row. But if you gave me a little banking, like I was very, very good at Michigan, very, very good at California.

Third in Vegas, you love, I got so much trouble in Vegas. I was running in Vegas, and you'd love this. A guy named Harvick was running number one, and a guy was driving Petty's car, to Pontiac was number two. and I was three and that I think we could have won the race went under caution and we used to finish off the caution so now I'm in the I'm in the pits

and the guy says the crowd's going wild coach you took third the crowd's going wild like I was I didn't take third yes you did yes you did you took third I was the hell I did I was first forward they took that camera and left me so if people don't know my contract

you got paid first second or third for it and that was better money money than NASCAR. So when I looked around and saw a Chevy in the Pine Neck in the car, I go, woo, we got a new motor going. Go build a new engine. No, wait a second. Going back to football, you sort of made a career of taking struggling teams. That's what I did. Yeah, I mean, like it wasn't just the college teams. I mean, the Houston Oilers weren't doing anything. They were two and eight every year before we went. The Atlanta Falcons were notoriously bad. Terrible. And then you, this is what I remember, because I lived an hour from Atlanta. And when you

came to Atlanta, first of all, you brought a sweat. You've got the swag. You still got the swag. Oh, yeah. If you don't have swag, you've got no chance. And I want to ask you about the swagger. But by the way, go back to him and his daddy. Well, yeah. They had swag. Yeah. You both had swag. That's the whole deal. You got to have it.

You got to have it. But you took this Atlanta team that was notoriously bad. All of a sudden, Dion Sanders is coming to Atlanta, right? Yeah. And now y'all are a playoff team. It was unbelievable one. One 12 games. You were a rock star. Yeah. It was awesome. They had great fun.

How did you manage all that? And meanwhile, you've got Earnhardt in your ear trying to get you to quit and be a race car driver. At some point, you would think that this becomes a little much for somebody. But how did you manage all this? I just, like my mom, I used to say, my mom was not with us anymore. She goes, we were a race family. Her dad had the best dodge, the fastest everything. And all the while I'm coaching football, she'd wonder.

She goes, are we going back to racing? And it was kind of funny. They're racing in Toledo. We were really, really fast. My mom's probably 84 years old. And I'm trying to get around, trying to get around. Well, we come in second. My mom meets me in the infield at 84 years.

All he had to do is bump him one time and push him out. So that's who we were. That's who the family is, you know. Sounds to me like you were a racer at heart, and then the football might have been picking the back seat. To that, am I wrong? Both. Okay.

And people say, which did you like best? I'm so blessed. I had two great things I love to do. And it was unbelievable. You guys have had Kenny Schrader on the show. It did not matter where I was. I'm in Monroe, Washington. I'm in Odessa, Missouri.

And I'd look over at who am I racing? Candy Schrader. And he'd say, coach, nobody knows you race all across this country. And then I had a 19-5. 49-4 did I drag it? I ran a 1-160 feet for seven years. Nobody does that. We were the fastest guy in the light for seven years.

So you can't take away that fun. You can't ruin those memories. Meanwhile, there's nothing like winning a playoff game on the road in football. It's all good stuff. When you cover a kickoff, this is what I tell the players. When we cover this kickoff, the hair on your arm better look like me coming out of turn four waiting for somebody to say green, green, green. And you know what I'm talking about?

You're sitting up on that seat, let's get it on. Football's the same way. And they're both team sports. There's no individual... You can't win a game with an individual guy in football. And you learn in racing. The first cup car I ever drove was metal yellow for Felix Sabatis.

Well, I thought I was the greatest driver ever. It took me 10 years of sitting a car that good again. You know, and it's a team's got to put that car together. Yeah. So as a coach in the NFL, I mean, there was the, you know, most people are going to remember you from the Atlanta Falcons days, y'all became larger than life, sort of mainstream, you know. We were huge. Yeah, y'all were the MC Hammer video. Right. Oh, yeah. Dion Sanders and all the things, right?

So what do you, when I think about, like I miss driving, I think it's healthy to miss, miss that after you retire. Yeah. I'm sure you miss some things about coaching, but what do you miss the most? What about those days or maybe it was your time as a high school coach? I don't know, but what do you miss the most? Well, the fact that, see, I coached. I lost two jobs last year coaching with the virus. So I was coaching in the XFL with Tampa Bay.

So I think now, Dale, you're going to die when I tell you this. I think I'm the best coach now that I've ever been. I think I do a better teaching job than I did when I was in 1974. 1974, I'm the youngest defensive coordinator in the NFL. Now it's whatever the year is, I'm still the best guy at that. Yeah. And if you can do it, you do it, you know. So you're still coaching?

I'm still coaching. I coach this year in the XFL, and then I went off to the Spring League, and I coached there in both jobs. We got shut down the teams, got the virus. Last year, two years ago, I was a defensive coordinator of Hamilton Tiger, Kansas, CFL. We went from last to first two years ago, you know. Now, I didn't finish where I wanted in my last year, your daddy taught me, I had a Detroit locker. What did I tell you this?

You're going to know what I'm talking about. And he'd say, you can turn the car with the right rear tire. That's your daddy. He goes, you get in trouble with more gas and turn it. Well, this year I'm down in Cordial, and I hit the Razor where somebody blew a motor, and I'm heading right straight for the wall, so I get after it, and it has a, what do they call it? It's got a spool. Guess what? I went right into the freaking wall. And I thought right then, I should have realized the Detroit, you could run the Detroit Locker,

but you have to carry another 150 pounds. That's the rules in that thing. I says, I'll never drive a spool again because for years you're turning the car with the right rear tire then all of a sudden you've got to spool and you just got to keep the momentum up as you know and keep out going through there. So because they switched

the rear end on me, I went knee deep and ruined that Camaro. In fact, you love my spotter. B.J. Fisher, great guy. I've been with me a hundred years. And B.J.'s up in it. He goes, he's dead. He goes, really? He says, you can't hit that hard without dying. He goes, oh, he hits hard a lot. He'll be okay. So, no, he's done. He goes, but if he is,

I don't know who that is walking across the infield with his helmet and said. I said, damn, man, I ruined my whole year because we were scheduled to do seven races, and I ruined a whole damn year. What kind of car is it? It's not a left-hander, but it's something like that. I can't think of the name. It's in Michigan. It's made Michigan. And a big-time chassis, you know. Where do you race that? I was down in Cordial, Georgia. They raced in Florida and all. And the average age driver is 19. Right.

And they're all guys that were real good here and they're trying to work their way up. And their owners say, if you get behind the coach, follow them. You'll get 50 years learning if you follow them. Well, this poor kid could take coaching. I went right into the wall. He went right in the wall behind me.

Ruined his car. He says, You told me to follow them. Don't follow them into the wall, you know. When coach was telling me this stuff the other day, I was talking to him on the phone, and I couldn't wrap my head around. He was telling me about this race in Cordillo,

and I said, Coach, wait a second. Are you telling me that you own the car and so you were down there watching? And do you remember what you said to me? I don't go and watch. He's like, I don't go if I'm not driving. No, I know. It's no fun.

It's kind of funny. I went and watched Junior when his last race at town. Allegra. And the people knew I was there because I don't go very often. And when he won, they said, you go in there and you be the first guy when he gets out the window. And victory lane? In victory lane. And he won the race. And I got to say this for his show. People don't realize. There's two guys. I was real close to A.J. Foyt. There's two guys that if they wrecked, half the stadium packed up and went home. If you're at Indianapolis 500 and A.J. Foote broke or got in a wreck, they packed up the coolers and left.

This guy, if he wrecks at Talladega, the stadium empties. That's something, don't you? You talk about 14 trophies, you talk about all that other stuff. That's the only two drivers when they got out of the race, the stadium empty. That's amazing. When I wrecked, everybody cheered. It was different, you know. That's, so, all right, you were saying that you saw him in Victory Lane, though.

Yeah. And so. And the first thing he said, he says, the last time, I saw you coach, I thought you were going to kick my butt. He's talking about the incident. Do you remember seeing him at Victory Lane? Yeah. Yeah.

How can you forget, right? So you're still coaching, you know, when the right opportunity comes along. So I called you up and says, hey, man, let's, you want any of us. I'm gone. What was the first race? What was the first car? What was the, where were you when you said, I want to drive that? You know, I mean.

We started in drag racing. My brother sitting back here. My brother, my brother would build the motor and I would drive the car. What kind of car? We were fords. We had these big starliners with 427 cubic inches and, you know, we could run. We thought we were really, really good. And then the Chrysler people asked us to come up to the Chrysler factory.

And racing. Richard said, my brother, we're never racing a factory team again. We were in a factory team, but we were a good team. Yeah. And where were y'all racing at? In Ohio. Ohio. All through Ohio. And it was kind of neat because when I went back, how about this? When I was a high school coach, you'll die. I taught driver's ed. How about that? And now when I raced at Michigan, I came in third at Michigan. When I raced at Michigan, when I raced at Michigan, when I raised. When I raced at Michigan, when I raced. at Michigan, all the students I taught driver ed to came to the race. Really? They all said, you didn't drive like you taught us. My God. Your racing bug came initially from drag racing.

Right. Where were you when you've said, you know, I want to go drive a stock car or anything on an oval? Like, what was the, how did that happen? I was a coach at the Oilers. Okay. And being in Georgia a lot, I've been in Atlanta, Georgia Tech. I've been with the Falcons.

Now I'm with the Orlers, and Bill Elliott was running and running and running. And they said he's from Dawsonville. I said, I've gone through Dawsonville a hundred times. When we go for Christmas, I'm going to go up and see him. And just say hello. And we went up there, and Bill was unbelievable, he doesn't talk to many people. If anybody tells you, Bill's a real good friend of mine, they're lying. Because to be a real good friend of Bill, he spoke to you twice. Yeah.

So I go up there and talk about it. And then he has me go with Ernie. And Ernie says, you know, you ought to drive a bush car. I goes, really? He goes, you'd love it. And you'd be good at it. And we got to get you in a bush car. And that's all.

So you drove a bush car? That was the first car. That's the first oval? How about the first oval I drove was in Atlanta in Mellow Yellow? Because Petty, Kyle Petty, broke a leg out in Phoenix. I think it was. And Felix Sabatis got me and said, we want you in this car.

And I got in there and I was practicing. And NASCAR said, you cannot run these tracks without any experience. And NASCAR said, we're going to put you to bush car, but you got to run Myrtle Beach, Fulusha. Yeah.

And it was kind of funny. The NASCAR guy looked at me and he says, they have sent you to hell. Somebody told me I had to run all those. I went and ran all those shows. tracks against. How about this? You want to know who I was racing against? I was going to run for a rookie the year. I was 54. And the other rookie was a guy 18. His name was Jeff Gordon. How about that? Yeah. And who was running in that class? Are you ready? Do you remember Presley? Oh, yeah.

Do you remember Mr. Excitement, Jimmy Spencer? Oh, yeah. The Burton brothers, the Labonis? I'm racing and I'm, I says, these guys are good. Well, they all went out. It became, in fact, Presley surprised me because your dad when he'd come to the Bush race Presley. Yeah, they were rough. Oh, they were rough each other up. Was it fun to watch? Bumper to bumper, bumper, banging each other. And when he went to the cup, he must have never got the

set of, because he wasn't as good in the cup, but in the bush, he was awesome. And Jimmy Spencer was awesome. I went to Atlanta. Remember Jimmy Spencer went to TV? Yep. So Jimmy Spencer, I'm going to, pardon me, I'm going to race in Michigan. And he comes down. And he goes, coach, what are you doing? He goes, you can't race this car here? I goes, that's the car I got it.

He goes, you can't race that car. You might as well go home. And I said, why can't I race it? You won with this car three years ago. He goes, we've left that technology. We've left that design. My stuff was never new. Well, we came in third chasing a guy named Kyle Bush.

There was Kyle Busch and me coming around that track. Wasn't bad, you know. Yeah. So we've had that kind of fun. Did I miss, I got to go back. Did you just say that before you ever actually entered a Bush race, your first car was the Melliello car that was the cup car for Kyle Petty. For Kyle Petty.

And so your first laps around an oval was in a cup car for Felix Sabatis, and NASCAR says you can't go out there and do this. You have zero experience. Yeah, when I came there, I showed up then for a practice day, and I was in a Ford now, and they didn't know I was in the car, and I went out there and ran and ran, and then they found out I was in the car, and they said, and where have you run?

I said, well, I was here in a Pontiac with the Melliello. It was a practice now. Felix, you go hop in there and take some lap. Yeah, and he goes, we can't let you race. You've never raced anywhere. Wow. I mean. All right, so.

How about that? That's car pulls me out of the car. And guess who my spotter is? Who? Harry Hyde. What? Yeah. Harry Hyde's my spotter.

He says, he tell me, coach, he's coming up on your outside, stay down, but get in the gas. Every day of his life is like the hangover. I mean, like, what were you about to say, though? Well, I was just trying to paint the picture in my head, like, that Felix probably, you know, Kyle, they're testing, probably don't have any, you know, probably who knows who's testing the car for him because Kyle's hurt. So he's called Jerry up and says. come take a lap. I can see Felix doing that.

And guess who the crew chief was? He became... Harry Nelson. Yeah. And guess what? How about this? When he set the car up, I thought I was on a railroad track. Oh, yeah.

The car, Bill Elliott says, I've been chasing you all day. I can't get you. I goes, it ain't me. I'm just pointing it and standing out. In Atlanta, in those days, was unbelievable. It was half-mile corners, quarter-mile straight away. Right. And if you wanted to be fast,

You had to roll through the corners wide open, as you know, man. I had a ball. So he goes out there to test the car. Then he brings his own car, his Ford, to a true test. And he's out there running, and NASCAR walks over and goes, hey, Jerry, what experience do you have? Where have you ran? Because, you know, if you plan on running this race, we need some credentials.

And he's like, this is it. They're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you got to go, you know, maybe you should run Myrtle Beach, to Belusia County. Oh, yeah. So they see him on a while. Rougemont. Rougemont, Rough. Hickory.

Hickory. How did he go to those? He's like, hold up. I got a gold car. What does that get me? So NASCAR's like, you know what? Before you can run Atlanta, we need you to go tear this car up a bunch. Go to these short tracks.

That's sure to tear it up. How about this? I gave Rusty Wallace the schedule they gave me. Rusty looked at it. He goes, I'd quit. I wouldn't do it. It's just what he said. Right.

Because of the tracks were just notorious for being wrecked. He went and did it, though. I remember, yeah, he went and ran them all. Ran them, ran every one of them. So you ended up, I remember that. So you're running that, you're running the Xfinity races or the Bush races. You also got into Truck Series, ran some truck races. They asked me, remember there was a chassis builder here in town,

lofted. Yeah. And he did my chassis in the bush. He goes, he called me. He goes, I'm building you a truck. I goes, what are you talking about? He goes, there's going to be a truck series. and it's you.

It is you. And I said, I don't know anything about it. He goes, it doesn't matter. I'm building the truck. And that's how I got to. So the first year they ever had a truck show. You were in it. I was in it.

Ah. And I ran the truck series for seven years, but because of football and TV, I could run half a year. And then I'd have to go to work. So like the first year, if you look on the records, it says I finished 18th.

I'm 18th. and ran half the races. I'm a fourth or fifth guy, but we have to leave. Sure. Because I was calling the football games on Fox and CBS. Let me ask you a question. You weren't racing. So when you were the coach of the Falcons,

your last year with the Falcons as a head coach was 1993. You hadn't raced competitively in NASCAR at that point, right? Well, in 91, when all the other coaches, coaches win golfing. Yeah. I would go to a racetrack. So I was driving 91, 92, 93. Driving what?

Cars in practice at tracks. And then I qualified in Atlanta. He'll die. So now I'm the head coach, and I qualify in Atlanta in the bush, and we're going to run. And you're going to love this. To my right is Harry Gant. A guy named Dale Earnhardt's in front of me. Guy named Dale Jarrett's behind me.

I go, this is going to be awesome. and we woke up the next day had two feet of snow yeah and who would have known what would have happened if we didn't now they canceled the race

cancel the race the snow was that deep when they reschedule it we're playing the Rams I can't be there I remember when that race happened and I remember that because they canceled the race

dad Tony's dad was driving the bush car with Tony senior as a crew chief and Rick Bossed and all those guys they just built the farm shop. So we're back at the farm shop on Monday, and they unload the backup car and the block had

busted because it froze all the water in it. That dad was so pissed off at Tony Senior NEM because and they were all pissed off at each other because they'd forgotten to drain the block so that motor busted. Their pipe froze. Let me tell you about racing back then.

It looked like you're not going to qualify to get in a race. Remember Chad Little? Yeah. A guy like Chad Little would go us says, if you don't qualify, I'll carry your sponsor so you get your money. We'd break a rear end and you won't even believe this. And Rochrey Comover says, I got a rear end for you. Racing then was so family and everybody wanted to beat your butt.

But everybody would do anything to help you. Am I right? Yeah. It was really awesome. Let me ask you a question. So Mike talked about it with how did you have time to race and to coach and do all that. Was there ever a time when the owners are, of these football teams were like, hey, you know, you're spending a little bit too much time racing.

Was there ever a time when the two might have gotten the way of the other or not? I mean, it seems like at some point, because you got heavy into the racing. Like you really did. But I really got heavy into the racing when I went to TV. Right. So when you saw me racing, I was a TV style. A broadcaster, yeah. And you know how that is.

Did that ever? So you're having a hemorrhoids. Did those two ever kind of get in the way of each other? No, in fact, Fox was great because they were trying to get Fox on NASCAR. So Fox would come out and film me. Yeah. And that was part of their package to sell it. So I was at Topeka Roadcourse, right?

And I'm not only racing at Topeka. I got Fox cameras in my truck. And guess who I, guess who I raced in Topeka? Guess who drove against me? Kenny Schrader? A guy named Rick Hendricks. Oh, yeah. How about that?

Remember he got in the truck there? I always see it. He did. Yeah. Who won? Oh, gosh. Probably Skinner. I can't remember.

And there was a guy. Skinner had it down. And see, we wasted, and Junior will love this. I never should have went into trucks because we could get in an archer car. And we got a shot. We could get in a bush. We got a shot. We could never.

We didn't have truck knowledge, which I found out later, was a rubber, you know, a rubber in a spring, not a round. The car, your truck won't turn. They can put 10 rounds in there. It ain't turn. You got to have a spring rubber. And we did not have that knowledge. So we had a hit on it and be lucky to be there to get up front. Like I qualified third at Phoenix.

They said, how could you do that without that knowledge? I said, I took my left foot and stood on my right foot and said if we die, we die. That's the only way we could get there. And I wasted that time because we didn't have the right. Now, Skinner and Hornaday, they could turn like a car. The rest of us did not. What did you enjoy driving the most? What car was probably the most enjoyable racing?

Well, Arka. I loved Arka because, I'll tell you about Richard Petty. I'm at Richmond, and I'm in the trucks. And they brought about 10 cup cuts. to run that race. Well, my goal was to beat every cup guy. So I qualify like 14th or 15th. And Richard Petty comes down.

He goes, Coach, what do you? How can you qualify 14? I've seen you sit on a pole at Bristol. What are you doing? I said, Rich, it's the same motor. And he looked at me, he goes, what are you talking about? I said, I only got two motors. And he said, quit and only show up when you have a new motor.

He goes, they don't realize how you can drive. He said, I know how you can drive. How many races you got in this motor? I said, this be my fourth race. But we still beat every cup guy in the race. I was happy. You did? Yeah, not one cup guy came up in front of us.

That was fun. But going back to his question, I mean, you said you enjoyed ARCA. Arka gave us a chance to win because everybody was like us. I had B.J. Fisher, his wife, Bob Fisher. I had three people. And when you go to ARCA, a lot of people have a three-man. I raise Kuzlowski.

He had his brother. How about this? You know this Kuzlowski guy racing a cup? He played in my trailer during all the races. He never left the coach's trailer. This is how far banged. Why his dad and me got after each other. But so in ARCA, we had a chance

because we had the same knowledge and we had about the same equipment. You go race. when the bush, when we're in the bush, we had a setup for the race. Well, everybody else totally rebuilt the car to qualify. We didn't even know how to do that. So when I qualified, I was qualified on my race center. I was, as you know, I was the only guy.

And in fact, if you'll die laughing. If Presley wasn't fast enough, I wasn't stupid. I saw a different carburetor go on that car. They took off, you know. I only had one carburet. I couldn't put anything else on there. So one of the things I heard about you that we have in common, actually, is that you're a huge Elvis fan. Well, I left tickets for Elvis, and that became huge one day, you know.

I was going to practice. We were in Texas. I was coaching the Oilers, and we had the radio on as we were driving over the practice field, and they said Elvis was spotted in Michigan at a Burger King. This is like in the 80s. So after practice, you have a press conference. And we were playing the New England Patriots in Memphis for the preseason game. And I said, well, we half-time's dedicated to Elvis, we're going to leave them two tickets.

Well, that became bigger than life. That was bigger than anything anybody's ever done. Yeah. And by the way, people came and tried to pick up the tickets saying they were Elvis. It was awesome. I have a room in my home dedicated to Elvis. Wow. I've had an Elvis room in my house since I've had a house.

You'll die. If you were to call my phone, are you ready? Born in the ghetto, Elvis Presley. No one could imitate that song. All the guys that are Elvis Presley and Timit, they never try, born in the ghetto. And if you listen to the song when you get time, I tell everybody, it's sort of a life story of an old beat-up football coach. It's kind of neat, you know. Yeah.

That's interesting. So what was the fandom for Elvis? Was that something that your parents had or your mom or your grandmom or something like that? No. That was the years you grew up. You grew up listening to it. The Beatles were big. I didn't care about the Beatles.

Who cares about four. Limies with long hair. So they were over here. I didn't care about the Beatles. They don't know one song. Yeah. So I sort of went with my group, which later became Whaling, Jennings. Guys like that became really the guys I listened to.

That was a big music guy. Chris Christopherson. No, how did you end up in all, and how many music videos have you been in? And how did that happen? By the one, by the way, one of became the number one music video ever, which was, it was with the band, my brother, oh no, Confederate Railroad, which is. The country band. Yeah, yeah.

That became the number one video. She took it like a man. She took it like a man. They played that in every stadium we went to. They played that video. I got hit over the head with a beer bottle. Things people love to see, you know. I got flipped out of the bag of a pickup truck.

I did all my own stunts. You did. Nobody did my stunts. I can't imagine there being a stunt double on the planet that could imitate you the way you can do you. So I'd say that's probably right. The most fun I had, I was invited to be in Hafa. Remember the movie Hafa? Yeah.

Well, they wanted me to be Jack Nicholson's bodyguard in a big fight. Well, in that fight, I got hit with a baseball bat. You guys would die. All these things happened to me, and you don't feel a thing. So the movies are a little bit fake on that. you know of course but i was in the big huge fight fighting for hafa uh that that was fun and the one i still get residual checks was the sopranos you were in the soprano i was in the sopranos and now my checks everybody says you're living off my checks now stamps 42 cents some of my checks now

are a quarter oh man how do you get cast in those movies everybody that all the movies and i just did a great you got to see it you did just now about two years ago what was it uh rich it was the name it was a great movie yeah the last movie with burrow i think they changed the name of it so it's the last great movie star oh look at that movie at bert reynolds they came to me we shot that movie and that was bert reynolds's last movie before he died who calls you up and says hey got a spot for you this movie who's that bert bert called you and i've never spoke a word to him You've never talked to him before and he called you. Yeah.

Did you believe it? It was him? Yeah. I knew he was a big football guy. Oh, okay. See, people that were at Florida State. He played in the Sun Bowl. Yeah.

It was the MVP in the Sun Bowl. Rush for like 171 yards. Burt Reynolds was the MVP. Yeah, how about that? What? I knew he played. I didn't know he was like, Oh, yeah.

I knew he's good. I don't know who's the MVP of the Sun Bowl or whatever that year, but I'm like it. But now it's Bert Reynolds. Yeah. Well, I do it. I got to tell you this, that wasn't a nicer guy. And he taught me what Richard Petty taught me. We did the movie shoot, and then there's a lot of sitting around waiting.

He never did not give a fan an autograph. He never did not give him time. Well, Richard Petty taught me that. So I'd go out and race at Pike's Peak in Colorado, and the race is over, and my line from my rig would go a mile. And my great race crew, the Fisher family, would say, Jerry, you sit here and you sign every autograph. Everybody would be gone, and then we'd leave.

And I learned that. You learned something from everybody. Dale Jarrett, I mean, well, how do you know Dale Jarrett? He taught me how to get through Charlotte Motor Speedway. He goes, coach, one thing about you at Charlotte. He goes, what is? He says, stay in the gas on the corners. He says, the more gas you're in, the more you whip around there.

Well, I wouldn't have known that. and he'd walk up and tell me that I'd take off and be in fact I got in a wreck with I think he was a cousin of yours in the ark of Kerry Yeah my brother Your brother your brother He's running second I'm running third

And lo and behold I'm right and I see His left rear tire go off the track into the grass I go oh brother I swing up at the top and mash it And he came right up Yeah Made me sick and I used to have an XM radio show

And uh Bert Reynolds came on it That's right I forgot about that. Bert Reynolds was a guest. Like it was, we only wanted him on the show because we were just giant fans of his. Oh, he was a great guy. Super nice.

He came on our stupid show and sat there and let's talk to us and answered every question we had. That's awesome. Yeah. Do we know what the name of the movie was yet? Yeah, I looked at it. It's the great last movie star or something like that. The last movie star. Yeah, the last movie star.

They changed the name. And did you have a big role? Well, it's funny. Whoever casted me, they castes. me as a football coach. There you go. It was a tough act. If I'm doing a movie and I need a football coach, I know I'm calling.

All right, so you kind of coached off and on. You stopped coaching the Atlanta Falcons in 93. Coached Hawaii defensive coordinator in 2005, so a big break there. That's what I was racing and doing television. And so you did television for a while. What I'm getting at, I guess what I want to know is you're still racing today. All right. Where, and you said when you sat down, you've ran over 100 different racetracks.

100 different tracks. All right from coast to coast. Because I ran Southern All-Stars. You ran the Southern All-Stars. Okay, so think of the track. I was two guys from Georgia and 50 guys from Alabama. I raced against Red Farmer and Davy Maiter and Jerry Glammell. That was the three guys racing.

Then I ran Hootish Pro Cup. So who was I racing? Mario Goslin. And I think he has a team now, does somewhere. And the series, I ran Winston West. Who did I run in Winston West? I ran Kevin Harvick every race. Then I ran Arka, you know.

Who are you running an Arka? Guy named Kozlowski. It was just awesome. How are you putting, how do you put together your deals to, you know, because those series are geographically all over the map. All over the map. So, like, you got a partnership that's out west, and they're like, hey, let's go run the West series.

Let's take our deal out there to a West team. How are you putting these deals together? You're unbelievable. Your knowledge is scary. We're in Vegas running to Winston West. We come in third at Winston West. In two days, we're racing in Lakeland, Florida, and Hooters Pro Cup. That car is in the rig.

That's our second car is our Hooters Pro Cup. We load up, and we never stop that we pull in in in Florida, sign up, and go race. We're crazy. Yeah. Damn. That's some Kenny Schrader. That is crazy. That's Kenny Schrader.

By Kenny Schrader, I told him. He flew. I drove the rig. I used to race your dad's. You drove the rig? I drove the rig. And we raced your dad's ring after every push race. We had more fun racing home with the race than we did on the track.

In fact, I was pulling out of Charlotte. And the guy stopped me. He goes, you're the second race car driver ever to drive his rig out of here every time you come. And I said, really? He goes, and the other guy drove a Western star just like you. I said, who was it? I said, AJ Freud. I goes, my bad company, let me go, man.

Wow, you drove your own rig. You drove my own rig at every race. Really? What were you telling me about having police badges? Oh, you've got to have a police badge. And I have a feeling this probably helped you out with the rigs. Yeah. Well, what happens is when you drive like I do, you got to put one of those out of them.

So you've got to have one for every state. Because they will chase you. I got picked up in Georgia 100 mile an hour with a speed limit. But luckily, in Dawson County, you weren't allowed to get Bill Elliott or Jerry Gladwell the ticket. I don't know if Chase got that privilege, but we had it. Unbelievable. Hey, let me ask you something unrelated.

We all know Wikipedia can be wrong. But I read your Wikipedia bio. I'd hate to read that. Well, I want you to tell me where this is wrong. Okay. Glanville vehemently opposed Falcons general manager selection of Brett Farv in the second round of the 91 NFL draft, citing Farv's personal issues with alcohol and his party lifestyle. He said it would take a plane crash for him to put Farv into a game. Glenville also was known to place $100 bets with Farv and others on whether or not Farv could throw a football into the third deck of stadiums before games.

Farv only threw four passes during his one season with Atlanta. Then he was traded to Green Bay Packers in the 92 offseason for a first round draft pick. Any of that incorrect? About most of it. Okay, good. Just about most of it. My brother was in the draft room. Really?

They wanted me to draft Favre the first pick. And they wanted me to take the guy that went to New York, right, Rich? You got to look at the guy that went to New York they wanted me to take us. I said, I'm not taking them. He says, you got to take them. I said, I'm not taking them.

I need another wide receiver. And they said, well, then take Favre, I guess. I'm not taking Favre in the first round. So I wasn't, I was mad. I took the receiver, who was the leading receiver out of Colorado, got him out of Colorado, was the leading receiver the next year the guy I took. And I took Fav the second round. So I was through the death. I got Farr and I got

him. But Farr's the only guy I've ever coached that didn't show up for the team pitcher. Oh, that was a problem. He was young. He was foolish. He's doing things he shouldn't have done. And I went all over and tried to talk people in the not giving him free drinks. Nobody, you know, he was a show wherever he went. And it was always obvious he could play. And he had the toughness of a linebacker at quarterback position. And when you're tough at quarterback, that permeates through your whole team. That's like I love Kurt Bush.

Kurt Bush, I don't care what team he goes to, they all get tougher. Am I right? And that's the way, you know, I look for stuff like that. But you have to sometimes decide, is the guy bigger than the team, then you're not going to have a team? and you got rules and if a guy can't follow any of the rules, you've got to move on. Well, he was immature.

That's all. He matured. That's all. And it's kind of funny. His dad, I kept it, his dad later came, because I could have traded him to New York. If I had traded him to New York, Jets, nobody would know his name. Because New York is like Atlanta. It never closes.

It stays open all night. I said, I'm treading you to Green Bay because the last bar closes at 9. After nine, you get to buy chili. That's it. And it changed his career. Certainly that can't be true about Green Bay. That's very disappointing to hear. I mean, you and I've been to Green Bay.

It's not a lot there. I know you two. You went to bed at 9.30. I just assumed everywhere the bar stood up to two, no? Well, I tell you this, however late they stay, they don't rival New York. I mean, Joe Namath sort of made that case. That is true. Maybe that's why Jimmy and Jeff Gordon like New York.

York so much. You think they just pull all-nighters there? Well, every time I went to visit them there, we were about how about this? Jeff Gordon and I were rookies and we had to talk to last year's champ before every race. That's right. Yeah, we were talking about that in the last guess who it was. Guess who was talking to us? Who's the rookie meet? Who's the rookie? Jeff Burton. Jeff Burton ran the rookie meetings? Ran the rookie meeting? How about that? Dale Jr. has a theory that they all, the previous champion was always, always the one that ran the rookie meetings and that NASCAR went away with that when Dale Jr. was the champion because they said there's no way he's going to have to influence

our rookies. Oh my gosh, that would have been great. That race would have been worth watching. I was excited. Yeah. I'm going to run these rookie meetings. I'm going to tell these rookies. Nope. No, never got any. You look back at the guys I got the race against it. And so who do I follow now. I follow guys that I knew their dads. People don't realize Blaney. He was racing now. People don't realize his dad could drive. Oh, yeah. His dad could qualify like he was on a railroad track. And so there's Kozlowski. He grew up in my rig, so I watch him. Elliot, of course, I knew when he was in, I used to sit with Chase in the wagon for the race when Bill drove for 21. We were listening to his dad tell us, how about this?

His dad is racing in Atlanta, and on the radio, Chase is sitting right here. He goes, who put the spring rubber in the right rear? The radio is silent. This is dad driving. He goes, I'm going to ask one more time, and when I come in, you better get it out. Wow. How about that? Now we're going along.

He says to Chase, I just passed Keselowski for the fifth time chase. Yes, Daddy. Has he ever passed me on the track? No. He passed into pits. He said, so he is not passing me out of track. No. Okay.

Then the spotter, this is Bill Hillie. You got to love this. Says the worst thing. He says, Bill, the leaders are running through three and four up high. Bill says, check with those guys and see if any of them want to try driving this car. Because he put the car where he's got to go. There's nobody like. Your dad and Bill didn't say the car.

was loose. They both said, take a half pound out, put a half pound. They didn't need a guy to tell them, you know. Everybody else says, on a scale of one to ten, I'm a four coming out of here. Right. And you know what I'm saying. The guy says, well, we'll do it. These two cats, Bill and him, uh-uh, uh, I need a new this, I need a new that. I need it now. Rusty Wallace was the same way. Was he? Yeah, that was one of the things about, I don't know many drivers that could do that today. Kurt Bush gets pretty technical. If you listen to him about the changes he wants in his car, he's very specific about how he thinks the car's working,

sway bar and all those different things and what he thinks will fix it. But yeah, you're right. Like Dad, Bill Elliott, Rusty Wallace, that whole generation would not come over the radio and say, I'm really loose in this part of the track and let the crew chief come up with an answer. They would go,

I need more right, spring, right? They would just say, I need more sway bar. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? And they'd take a roundout right now. Take a round out. They'd come in, they'd do that change. You'd go back out. Yep, that's better or nope, take that out and let's try this spring. And so the guys today, probably me included, I was a bit of the both. I was like, I'm really loose. I think it's because of this. But, yeah. And now most of the drivers today, I don't, I think they're more, you know, I'm tired of loose. Fix it. How about this?

Chase is sitting here. We're in 21 pit. I'm sitting here. Bill says, I'm going to take my right fender. I'm going to stick it on him, and I'm going to stop it. Watch what I'm doing. He's coaching his kid. He's teaching.

Yeah. And he goes up on the car. The next thing, the car looks like he's got a parachute, right? Woo, that car goes back. And now the spot of it says, two cars behind you, Bill, they're coming a lot faster than you if you want to get it going. he goes, I'll let him go by. He goes, now, Chase, watch what lap they pass me.

Four laps later, he goes, how many laps that take us to go by them? Their tires are gone. I mean, this is a teacher. Were these during cup races? Yes. And you were in the pit, why? Sit with Elliot and listen. Just trying to learn.

I got you. And you'd learn more. I mean, if he'd done that with me when I started, I would have quit coaching. Is that right? Would you have quit coaching to race? Sometimes you say yes, but I always go back. I love coaching too. And it's kind of funny.

As a coach, I'm like his dad was with me. I'm a teacher. And Jimmy Johnson is the only guy in NASCAR that met me and said, I want to know what seniors said to you. Nobody else is smart enough to come. They all know what happened. And Jimmy says, just tell me. what he told you.

Now, because Jimmy Johnson, as you know, left no stone on turn. Yeah, sure. He was the workers of all workers. And he wanted to know, he said, what did senior tell? He said, he told me to quit time and lapse. And your dad

wanted the lowest gear because his dad was going to get him coming out. And Elliot wanted the highest gear because he was going to be the fastest guy after the flag stand. So you see, Now there's two different drivers.

So Elliot got you going in, and his dad got you coming out. And so you learned something for everybody. Yep. Wow, that's interesting. I'm thinking about the whole passing the grass thing now. Just with that type of context behind, you know, getting them coming out of the turn. I got to say this. You said passing the grass.

I came out of my chair watching Joe Gibbs' grandson driving. Oh, wasn't that good? Would you believe a guy could drive like that? that was as good junior as you and I have seen. And I'm not a friend of Joe Gibbs. We don't talk because we ended up hating each other coaching. Is that right? Oh, yeah.

We don't need to speak. Let's get back to that. But finish your point on Ty Gibbs. My family knows racing. My family knows who. My brother, we know. When that kid went down through the grass and took him on the right side, I said, that's a great driver in the future right there.

I don't know many guys that can do that's been driving for 25 years. years, do what he did. And I was so proud of him because his dad, I helped teach drive the trucks. His dad was driving the trucks. I was the guy trying to help him. So it was so much fun. You guys probably forget, I called NASCAR races for a while on CBS and TNT. So I would drive the Archer race on Saturday and call the cup race on Sunday. So I got to help some people that way, too. So you said that you and Joe aren't on good terms? Well, we played each other. She was going to Super Bowl.

Yeah. It was played at Washington, and we had about three inches of mud. It hadn't rained there in two months. So they had Purdue prescription turf. So I went to the groundskeeper. I turned on the pumps. That means it drains. He goes, we will.

I goes, when? He goes, two hours after the game. That's what you call home field advantage. Okay, so hold on. So this would have been RFK? Yeah. Okay, the stadium. Yeah.

I had the fastest. You were the Falcons? I had the fastest team in football. Joe had the biggest. Right. And this would have been, what, 91? 90s. So you say 91, 92.

And you had won a playoff game, and so now you're playing Washington. Yeah, we had beat New Orleans in New Orleans. Which was a big deal because Atlanta winning a playoff game had happened in, you know, a century or whatever. And how about this? Poor New Orleans, their first home playoff game ever, and we beat them. Yeah. So you're basically pinned your whole relationship with Joe Gibbs over the turf situation? Well, these things are important.

You did have a fast team. Yeah, I had the fastest team. Is that why y'all lost? Well, the quarterback wouldn't change his cleats. Remember I had Chris Miller, and he had gone to knee surgery. Well, the only way we could stand up, you had to put on long cleats. Well, if you've got a bad knee, you're not going to put on long cleats. So the whole thing, mushrooms are into the point we're not playing like we normally play.

Yeah. I would have been a hell of a game on a good turf. And so that right there is why you still are not on good terms. With the nicest guy on the planet. With Joe Gibbs. We haven't spoke since. Whoa. Man.

What? Well, we've got to bring them to turn. Don't. There probably be a fight. No. No, he's a great guy. I'm so proud of what he does there. But I've never met his grandson.

Yeah. And by the way, Joe did say, I appreciate you help with my son in the truck. He said that to me one time. Oh, there you go. I walked away. But I was so proud. I've never met his grandson. I wouldn't know him from a jar vix.

Yeah. I was so proud. I'm always proud of these young guys that really drive. Yeah. And the kind of equipment I sat in, your dad was great. He says, if you got a sixth-place car, you'll be third. If you've got a 15-place car, you'll be seventh. That's what your dad always told me.

And so I look for guys that do that. Yeah. You know, here's a guy with a 25th place car. It gets it up to 9th. He's driving, you know? Yeah. I least like, who drove for Felix Sabatis? Kyle?

He left like two years ago. Not Felix. Ganesi. Jeremy. Jeremy. Jeremy, out drove his equipment. You know what I mean. Jeremy, I used to call him, never lift Jeremy.

Yeah. Yeah. Did he overdrive his equipment or what? He was really good. Yeah. I was proud of him because I look for a guy and I love his owner. You love Ganesi? Yeah.

I think if I came back as a driver, I'd want to drive for Gannasi. Yeah, yeah, I think y'all would get along. You know why I like him? When Kyle kid was driving for him, I was standing next to the car. What's Kyle's? Larson. Larson, you know what he told him? We're qualified.

He said, bring back the pole or bring back to steering wheel. I don't care about the car. Yeah. Now, I never had that. I never had that kind of financing, you know? He brings up a good point. I could see Cherry Glanville running for Gannasi, maybe Childress, definitely not Rick Hendrick, right?

Yeah. Not Gibbs. Not Gibbs. Could you see him running for Penske? No. No. Well, it's funny, you know who I always wanted me to go drive for him was Kyle Petty. And Kyle Petty, my first Archer race was in Teledega.

and Kyle Petty was calling it on TV. Yeah. And he said about lap, whatever, he goes, this guy won't run another archery. This guy will be in a cup car tomorrow. Well, lo and behold, with three laps left, I got hit in the right rear. Went over the infield wall backwards and landed where we do the prayer. That's how I finished the Talladega race by first Super Speedway. Wait a second.

You wrecked at Talladega. Yeah. Where did you enter? up? Where did your car come to rest? When I came out of four, it turned, how about this? It turned around. Come out of four, right. Come out of four, it turned around.

And for the first year ever, we had roof flaps. And the roof flaps, you have a flap on your dash. It shows your roof. I didn't know my crew did this. The flap came open on my dash, and they wrote the word tilt. Hang on. This was the very first race I ever attended.

I had never been to another race. he stopped, his car stopped right in front of me. And when he says people cheered when he crashed, he ain't lying. Oh my God. It was the first time I'd ever seen cars go that fast. I couldn't believe it. We saw the end of practice. I think there was second round qualifying that day.

Right. And I'm watching Brett Bow done in that Quaker State car. Like as I walk into the grandstands and I'm watching this car turn a lap, I'd never seen anything go so fast. And then the Arka race happened. And you really were a rock star. It was awesome. And when you crashed, nobody cared about anything else.

And not in a bad way. I'm not saying it's a bad way. Just you had captivated everybody. And you, when your car, you wadded that thing up good. That was real good, really good. Yeah. It was wrecked. That was my first race.

Good to see you again. Yeah. Well, that was the first time I was going backwards, you know, at 190 miles an hour. By the way, I qualified like ninth. You'll die with this. and really great speed. I qualify 191, something like that. And then Ernie comes down

and changes the timing and the plugs after qualified. He goes, okay, Jerry, you'll be at the front in about five laps. I goes, well, why didn't you give me that for qualifying? He says, because I wanted us to be in the race. Yeah. And that's the way Ernie was.

And you'll love this. Ernie told me, Jerry, I'm watching you drive. If you knock them out of the way to pass him, I will not build your motor because you can go by them without hitting them. Now, what other guy would tell you that? He goes, as long as you drive like Dale Earnhardt, I will build your motors.

That's what he tell me. Dale Earnhardt would have. Yeah, I didn't get the connection, but they both love the long straightway because when I got down in the apex, you know, when I got down in the apex, I was on the floor because I'd go up higher and I'd come down like I was taught.

And I had the car turn. When I was in the middle of the circle, the car was turning, and I was gone. Well, Ernie called that then the longest straightaway down here. He'd say, let the big dog eat. That's what he called his motor. He'd go, Jerry, let the big dog eat. Well, Jerry, man, it's been a great conversation. Well, I hope your show's not canceled.

It's not canceled. If they cancel it, I'll put you to work. Don't worry. We're going to be fine. Yeah, I'll coach. Let me coach. Yeah. You'd be good.

I'm a heavy coach the secondary. Secondary, all right. You know why? Only the good team secondary hit. Half these secondaries, they don't hit. They just cover. If I had you, we'd hit somebody. Oh, we'd hit somebody.

All right. For some reason, I don't feel like I'd be a very good football coach. I don't know. I think you would do all right with him, though. Yeah, I could probably just listen to him. Yeah. Yeah. Well, man, we appreciate you coming all this way.

I know you kind of making a little tour here and detoured over to moresville north carolina to come to the studio and we're picking up a race car so we sort of we're picking up another hot rod we have by the way i have the new camaro uh z l1 1 lee have you driven you can run to home at a hundred and take a right hand turn and it'll stick like glue really it's like the driving mellow yellow yeah my gosh well man i've always been kind of uh curious to know more about you and we're glad you came over here today to tell us, you know, some more about your driving career and how all that got started because in my world or in my mind, you just, you were bigger than life on the football side and then poof, there you were in the garage,

driving cars, driving trucks, I was racing against you. And then I know you've, you know, you've had quite the career. So it's been awesome to catch up. Crazy to know that you're still driving after all these years. Well, the toughest thing now with driving is getting in the window. Yeah. The windows are getting smaller. The windows are getting bigger. That's right.

I can understand that. Well, we wish you luck and I know you're going to have fun and enjoy yourself and we'll stay tuned to what you got going on, buddy. Well, I want to tell you, my son is your biggest fan. He loves you. And he's going to write your letter. He said to tell you he's going to write your letter and he won't tell me what he's going to tell you.

All right. So if it's something bad, send it to me. Well, we appreciate it, buddy. All right, buddy. Thanks a lot. Yes, sir. Hey everybody, it's Dale Jr. for the Dale Jr. download. This is the Ask Junior portion of the show. Appreciate everybody tuning in. I hope you guys got some great questions. I'm sure you do. Mike's here. Leah's going to get us going. So let's get started. Our first question coming from Zach Albright. What was it that sparked your interest for getting involved with the Nashville IndyCar ownership?

That's a great question. I appreciate you asking this. There is a really good friend of mine, Teddy, Phillips that's part of the ownership group. I became friends with him over probably the last year. And just think, you know, I've just gotten to know the guy over the last probably 12 months and he was telling me about his involvement. The opportunity came to me to be a part of it and I thought it sounds like something fun that me and me and Teddy can do together and I'll get to hang out with him a little bit more.

So that was part of probably the biggest motivating factor of it. The other thing too is that, you know, I've been talking about trying, you know, hoping that one day NASCAR can get to the fairgrounds. We're going to go to the Super Speedway for a couple seasons in the near future. However long that happens, we just, we don't know. We don't know whether we'll ever get to the fairgrounds, but a lot of people would like to see that, me included, obviously. And it was kind of a all, you know, a rising tide lists all boats kind of thing. to be a part of, to kind of have an ear to the ground on how things are going to go for the IndyCar series racing in town, how all that works with the government officials and so forth,

and how everybody comes together to agree, you know, it's a teaching moment for me to maybe help me further understand the hurdles and obstacles that are in front of NASCAR to get to the fairgrounds. and to truly understand and appreciate the value of us being at the Super Speedway. And being able to celebrate our champion in Nashville, that's a great connection. It feels like a great fit for NASCAR. And I've always said and felt like that wherever we celebrate the champion, wherever we celebrate that defining moment where we acknowledge all the things that happened in our sport throughout the year, plus giving away that trophy to the driver that's won it,

I think we should race in that town. We should showcase our product in that same town. We do that celebrating in. So there's a lot, just a big teaching lesson for me, to be honest, to learn more about how all that comes together. We're getting a lot of questions about Sunday's Daytona Roadcourse race, this one specifically from Abby. Do you think the yellow for rain was necessary on Sunday?

It didn't look like the in-car camera showed much rain. Yeah, I saw somebody called it the caution for a rainbow. I thought that was funny. So everybody could look at it. That's funny. Caution! Rainbow. Double rainbow.

Red flag. I, you know, I thought initially, like when it happened, I was like, what? Come on. This is terrible. We got to, you know, we need to change our approach to rain and to rain tires. and my initial reaction while I'm watching the race is, I don't like this yellow. I want the drivers to drive and the crew chiefs to crew chief.

They got the tires in the pit. If they think they need wets, then they can call their own ass down pit road and get their wets. If they need to stay out there and manage it on dries because it's not quite wet enough and some of the tracks, you know, whatever, right? I wanted to see the drivers manage the conditions and be drivers and be putting a tough. situation and figure it out and the crew chiefs managed the strategy as we know they can and uh it feels

like to me in that moment now this is when it's happening like NASCAR's holding their hand like walking their little kids into the classroom and um i use that analogy because i just dropped eye off at uh at her school but that was that's my gut reaction in the moment but then I talked to some spotters and some people that were there. I was watching it on TV. And some of the conversations I've had with drivers or spotters that were there at the racetrack to paint a different story. That the rain and the track and the conditions didn't convey across the TV.

What I was seeing on TV didn't look that bad. But what they were seeing in person warranted the, reaction that NASCAR had like let's throw this yellow because this part of the tracks wet and this is the rules that we put in place to when this type of situation happens we have this protocol and that we might we've we've we've told the drivers agreed with the RTA or whatever and we must follow this protocol and so I kind of I understand that per how things are are set up as far as the rules or the protocol they did what they were supposed to do and what they said they would do what the drivers expected, what the teams expect.

Okay. Still, going forward, I think there might be a better way. You know, when I ask some of the people that are there performing in the race, and the people that are in the industry, like, why can't we just, you know, let the team sort it out, right? If it starts raining somewhere, why can't we, why can't the drivers just go, hey, I need to slow down and manage these tougher conditions? the crew chief can figure out when and when not to put rain tires on.

The people that are racing in the race say that that's not realistic, that the drivers don't have enough experience. We don't have enough experience with these cars in the wet on slicks and that you're going to have chaos. Cars crashing into walls into each other, getting stuck, you know, getting off course everywhere, right? While that would be entertaining to see, it would probably be as frustrating as what we really saw Sunday,

you know, the caution that sort of turned the field inside out and jumbled everything else and changed the whole complexity of the race, that's probably what we got anyways had they not thrown the yellow. I guess my hope is that one day we can get to a place to where the governing body NASCAR doesn't have to throw that yellow. I hope that somehow, somewhere, you know, we can develop further enough as a series to where the drivers manage the conditions, the crew chiefs, and they determine when they want to change tires and when not to,

and nobody needs to throw a yellow to sort of help us, you know, through this time, through those situations. I think for me it's fun and entertaining to see the teams and drivers work through that difficult part of, the conditions, the weather and all that. I mean, we see it in so many other... Now, they do throw yellows. With that said, you know, we see...

I guess I'm kind of wanting what I see in Emsa, but Emsa does that too, when it rains super hard. They'll throw the yellow. They'll red flag the race when there's... You know, I've been in the 24 hours of Daytona, when they red flagged the race because of the rain. Or when they threw... We ran under yellow for hours.

That, with Tony Stewart and me and Wallace, We were under yellow for three or four hours in the middle of the night because of the rain. So, all right. You know, there's arguments for both sides. It was frustrating as hell when it happened. But, you know, I kind of, after having some conversations with people that were there, I got a different opinion about it. I can't imagine it being a worse scenario than having to be under caution for three hours in the rain.

That would be awful. All right. Our next question coming from Albert Shivers. Hey, Dale. what do you know about singer Marty Robbins' short career in NASCAR? You know, I know probably as much as anybody else and no more, right? The one thing that, you know, this would be, you know, if Marty were here today, we could talk about it and have him, he'd be an amazing guest to having this show because there's a lot of goals, there's a lot of gaps and holes that I'd love to feel that I just don't know about his career.

He raced at the fairgrounds in Nashville. and ran in, I guess, what is today, the late model stock or late model sportsman or super late models. You know, he ran in the top class there. And apparently was very successful and had a lot of fun and a lot of success at that racetrack. And that led to either him being encouraged or him, you know, seeking, I don't know how he ended up in the Cup series one way or another, he did.

He bought cars from different teams. I think he bought Dodgers from the Pettys, and he bought a Buick from Junior Johnson. He had different cars that were usually hand me down or a year old or two-year-old, and he'd go out there and compete. And I don't know that he had a ton of success in the Cup Series. I don't know his stats, but in the races that I've watched,

you know, he was just kind of a journeyman-style racer and a bit of an independent, if you will. And, yeah, I don't know. much else about his career. You know, unfortunately, something we ought to dig into to try to figure out more. We need to do that. Because it's, you know, he was a successful country singer, and I think a lot of people look at his cup career in much the same way they might look at Jerry Glanville, our guest today, as a guy that was, that was, had a totally different life and just dabbled in, in racing, because he could, right? But no, I think,

Marty Robbins has a career at the fairgrounds and race there for so many years, very hard, rugged racing week in and week out, kind of cut his teeth. The same way that any other race car driver today cuts their teeth. So his story, I think, is a little more robust than a lot of people might give it credit for. One more question from Sam Green. With the recent addition of the 1987 NASCAR stock cars, eye racing, do you think it's possible that other older cars could be added in the future? Well, I do have my, you know, I do have a little bit more of a closer connection to ir racing and have a better understanding of sort of the direction they're going to go.

And I don't know that we'll have any other older stock cars coming into the service over the next several years. But, you know, I would just say that there's always new content. I really don't know how to answer that question. I don't think that we'll have, there's not another, you know, there's not another stock car in the pipeline. older cars, other historic cars. I'm not real sure what the interest is across the service for what potentially could be created. But, you know, they're going to keep building tracks, keep building cars. Hopefully it's all – I kind of enjoy the current stuff, driving what's out there today

and trying to understand what – you know, especially stuff overseas. I think that there's a lot of interest in more racetracks overseas and outside the U.S. also as far as content cars vehicles a lot of interest in in cars overseas and outside the us as well so we'll see all right guys i appreciate everybody for some great questions again this week thanks for being a part of our show and helping us create a lot of great content for the dale junior download we'll see you later have a great week so mike about a week or two maybe three weeks ago. I stumbled on to something that I thought was really interesting that I didn't know if a lot of people had, but it was the minutes to the meeting that NASCAR, well,

that Bill France set up in 1947 in December 14th through the 17th that would basically be the meeting that organized NASCAR, where NASCAR was basically dreamt up and created. At the Streamline Hotel in Daytona Beach, you've heard about it. Everybody that knows about NASCAR, heard about this meeting, right? And so I stumbled upon in collecting things as I do from time to time. I stumbled upon a copy of the minutes from that meeting. And this copy that I have, and I've showed it to you, Mike, it's pretty banged up. You got it right there in front you. I do. A lot of staple holes and all that good stuff. So it's been around for, I know, at least 30 years. That copy itself is at least 30 to 40 years old. And you've read through it.

I have. Right. Was it pretty interesting? Super interesting. for one, just like the priorities. All right? You know, this is the formation of the sport. And we think about the streamlined hotel. And I don't know about you, but I think about, like, you know, they had, they went in with some ideas of, you know, already established. But I don't really get that after reading the minutes. It's like, okay, first and foremost, we've got to find us a director.

Who's going to be our director? All right, I make a motion for this guy. Or I make a motion for this guy. And then they also like, we got, we need rules. Hey, we need a schedule. How are we going to figure out this schedule? And so literally this is the formation of everything that we know and take for granted today. In my mind, when I hear about this meeting, I imagined Bill France, senior, calling everybody up and saying, hey, meet me at this hotel.

I got this plan. And they all get together and sit down and he passes around this sort of rough draft of what NASCAR is going to be. And they all read it and discussed and then eventually agree upon NASCAR. in a sense, but it didn't happen that way. If you read the minutes, the impression that you get from that meeting is that they sat down for three days. Now, they sat down in that room without any rudder, compass, or anything. They basically had a blank page. We need to organize.

We need to make this more official. Stock car racing is just all over the place. There's a bunch of different organizations, a lot of different rules. and we could make this a national thing if we can all kind of get underneath an understanding of a simple set of rules and a schedule and so forth. And they basically set out to do this

over however long it took, whether it was two hours, a week, or whatever. It ended up taking three days. They would meet every morning. They would adjourn the meeting. It was an official, like, I motioned for this. Okay, somebody has to second. Yeah.

then it's voted on. All this was very well-organized meeting, not chaotic. So the men are going on their third day of meeting, right? And the day before they adjourned with some homework. This was one of the most interesting things about the meeting. Each was tasked to consider ideas for the name of the new association that would govern stock car racing. So Wednesday morning on the 17th, the third day, they all meet at 10 a.m.

And driver Red Byron made a motion to adopt NSCRA, National Stock Car Racing Association, as the name of the association for the present time. And Buddy Schumann, who is also a driver seconded the motion. Otherwise, the motion wasn't voted on, at least by the minutes. Which is interesting. I wonder why they didn't go to a vote, but that's... That's interesting. Another thing that you'll find interesting if you read the minutes is that a lot of the things that were motioned or seconded or whatever were motioned by everyone else in the room but Bill France Senior.

So Bill France Sr. sort of called everybody and sent out the invites for this meeting, but he wasn't really the guy going, here's what I think we should do with this. Here's what I think we should do with that. He basically set back and everyone else in the room put forward their ideas. Oh yeah. It even says Bill France made the motion that everybody with an idea on the name for the association, write it down on a piece of paper, submit it and pass it around. Yep. No second. No one seconded that motion.

I know. So he said, you know what? I like your idea. Red Byron to adopt NSCRA, but maybe we should all put forth something on paper and they all went, man. Nah. After more... We like inscrath.

After more discussion. on memberships and headquarters location, Daytona Beach would get the vote. The group recessed for lunch. The meeting opened again at 3 p.m. and they quickly set out to vote on the name of the association. The choices were a NASCAR Stock Car Racing Association, NSCRA, or National Association of Stock Car Racing NASCAR.

Those two were the options. The results of the voting were 7 to 4 NSCRA. just that easily we were just about to never be NASCAR. Right. Right? The NSCRA. NSCRA. It was then discussed that there was an association in Georgia already named NSCRA,

and they wondered what steps would be necessary to take over and form a new corporation under this name that was already incorporated. Ed Bruce made a motion that the voting for the name by ballot be disregarded and that the association is star from. scratch incorporated here in Florida and the name National Association of Starceration be used. Jack Peters seconded the motion. It was voted on and carried it. So in that moment, you know, that's just how easily, I mean, now that took, that was from 10 a.m. till whatever 4 p.m. that's, that's where NASCAR came from.

At some point, somebody in the corner goes, sorry, sir, but we have a problem. There is a, there's already, an association in Georgia that is the NSCRA. They are a knitting club. I don't know whatever they are. So let's hear about the NSCRA, and what was the NSCRA in the little place in Georgia, right? The little sanctioned body.

They were a sanctioned body for stock car racing that operated from 1946 to 1951. Now remember, this meeting in Daytona was in 1947 of December. They competed against several other sanctioned bodies, including eventually NASCAR, and it was considered to be the most significant challenger to NASCAR's dominance of the sport. car racing. It was founded in

Georgia, Atlanta, Georgia. It was one of many sanctioned and bodies that cropped up after the end of World War II to promote the fledgling sport of stocker racing, and it remained a pretty much informal group until Bruton Smith assumed responsibility of the group in 1948

after the meeting in Daytona. So Bruton Smith, the Smith family that owns half of the racetracks in the NASCAR sport today, and the France family owning the other half, right? two families are so heavily involved in the sport back in 1947, 48, 49. Right?

So Bruton Smith's going to be like, yeah, I'm going to take responsibility of this organization. What's he like 12? I mean, like, how old would he have been at the time? Whether intentional or not, he is going up against NASCAR in competition for drivers, trying to attract the most fans. And so he offered lucrative purse money to try to get some. stars to come to his races. In direct competition,

France announced his own strictly stock race. France. So France, there was, back then everybody ran modifies, all right? France announced that he's going to have this strictly stock race and he's going to run it at Charlotte Motor Speedway in June of 1949. Some perceived

this as a direct poke in the eye to Smith and the NSCRA as Charlotte was Smith's hometown. Ironically, driver Buddy Schumann, as you remember, who was part of the meeting in NASCAR. He seconded the motion to name the series, the NSCRA, to name NASCAR to name NASCAR, the NSCR. He's driving in the NSERA for Bruton Smith. He won the modified title in 1948. He was the stock car champion for the series in 1950. So all the drivers sort of intermingled amongst the different associations

as one or the other was trying to vie for the supremacy or be the top dollar or the only right. All right. So in late 1950, seeing as how the sport was still on pretty shaky basis, none of the organizations had really become the clear leader, Smith and France meet in Charlotte over dinner. France invited Bruton Smith to this dinner.

and agreed in principle to merge the respective organizations into a single unified promotional body for the sport. However, four weeks later, Bruton Smith was drafted in January 1951 to fight in the career war as a paratrooper. In his absence, the NSCRA management dominated by drivers proved incapable of keeping the organization afloat amongst internal disputes and were forced to close down the sanctioned body during the summer in 1951, and once Smith returned from service,

his previous opportunities in governing stock car racing had vanished. A couple things in my mind here. One, if he got drafted in what year? 1951. So he had to have been in his early 20s maybe. January. So really he could have been a teenager in 47 and 48. I mean, like, right?

I don't know what year, but I know it's easily found. Yeah, he was born in 27. Really? Mm-hmm. Boy. So I guess I'm not trying to imagine things here, but in my mind, it seems like it was awful close to being a sort of an agreement and a partnership with Bruton Smith and France.

The two families that still today control a good majority of what's going on in our sport were the two families that almost became, in a sense, partners. I called Marcus Smith about some of this information. a lot of this can be found on Wikipedia and so forth. And he verified it. He said, yep. He said none of that is untrue. And so I don't, you know, I feel like I'm a historian of the sport, man, but I found that

to be really compelling. And I knew none of this until this past week. I really didn't dive into it because I just assumed that all this went very smoothly. They went into the meeting in 1947, design, you know, created NASCAR and poof, we were off and running. Right. But apparently it wasn't so easy. Right.

And things weren't quite as official as they had hoped right out of the gate. But the fact that the two families that, you know, at times have been at odds with each other over the last 50 years or more, 70 years. Yeah, really got off on the wrong foot to begin with. Goes back to the 40s. This thing is very interesting, and I appreciate you. I don't know how you got it and how you found it and what you did, but you made a copy of it.

and I would read through it. One is there is a speech by Bill France, Sr. That is included in this document. And I assume it was just kind of wrapping up the meeting or whatever. But have you read through it? I felt like when I was looking at that speech that that was the beginning. Okay. Yeah, it might have been.

That was the opening speech. I'm telling you something, though. It is so interesting. At some point when we have time, maybe on another podcast, we literally, we ought to read it. I mean, it is something else to hear his perspective on the formation of NASCAR and what led him to do that. I mean, he was a racer himself, right? The other thing I love about this, I got it circled here. Bill France makes a motion that we appoint Cannonball Baker to the High Commissioner of the Racing Association, Eddie Bland.

Second into motion, Cannonball Baker is going to be our High Commissioner. Vote, yes, Cannonball Baker. I just love the name Cannonball Baker. Why is he not talked about more? We need Cannonball Baker in our lives, right? That's a name. This is very interesting, though. It is.

Just thought it would be worth pushing that information out there and seeing what everybody's sort of response is. And maybe there's some untruth. Maybe there's some more to the story that we'll all learn from it. All right, everybody's time for the last call. Show 328 is nearing a close. The Dale Jr. download is on NBCSN Thursday. Thursday, Thursday.

Thursday, Thursday, Thursday, 6 p.m. Eastern time. Thursday, 6 p.m. Eastern Time. A new episode of door bumper clear after the Daytona Road course is waiting for you. T.J. talks about coming close to a win at Daytona again with Joe Lugano. Brett talks about Clint Boyer calling him out on the broadcast, and Freddie talks about a tough day with Bubba. And reaction theater caller cusses Brett out. Oh, that's where it.

I'll check that out. That's available on all major podcast platforms. Door bumper clear. Dirtymo Media merch is available. We have on T-shirts, sweatshirts, so much more. It's available on dirtymobedia.com and in the Junior Nation retail store here at the shop in Moreswell, North Carolina. Come check it out. Great show, man.

I hope you guys enjoyed it. Another week. It was fun. And thank you for even suggesting Jerry Glan. There's somebody we've been trying to get for, a while didn't know how to get a hold of him. I mean like where's he at but boy that was a treat. It was and I'm looking forward to our lineup. Me and you've been talking about our guests. We've got a lot in the pipe booked up and we always like to hold on to those announcements till the last minute

because it's more fun for us. But we got some great guests coming down the road and this is going to be fun, fun season. So everybody, take care. Have a good week. and we'll be talking to you next one. Check out Dirty Mo Media on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram. Dirty Mo.